[RBW] Touch-up for Orange Sam Hill
Any recommends for nail polish or Testors model paint for touching up an orange Hillbourne? Thanks! Dan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 650B Conversion Kit
Is the 650B setup still available? Just got a frame that it would be good for. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OiWsq6H9NzIJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 2 top tubes - Y2TT plus (at the end of it) divisive cultural reference
I spent a lot of time considering the 56 2TT Sam. Ended up with a lightly used single TT which allowed me to improve the drivetrain. For the 56 the double seems ok. It gives you a great place to stash a pump. I do a fair amount of pubic transit with the bike so having a solid place to grab/hoist the bike seemed like a bonus. For me it came down to a $ decision but the 2TT on a 56 was not an aesthetic problem. With the larger frames I wanted something more diagonal for the 2nd tube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Nitto S-84 seatpost (Wayback)
Wanted to offer this to the group before it ends up on eBay. I have an never used S-84 (27.2 250mm). Ended up with using an SP-72 on the bike and the S-84 is just clutter. Very pretty clutter, though. It has never been mounted only taken out of the box to admire it. So it anyone is interested let me know soon. $150 plus shipping. Dan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Mini-Moto brakes silver
Mini-Motos are sold. On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:15:32 AM UTC-7, danmc wrote: > > These have been mounted on my bike but never actually used. Was testing > tire clearances and then decided to go with a larger tire. Great for up to > 42-43 actual. They were good for Rock n' Roads and Clement MSO. Smaller > tires would fit with fenders. > > Great mini-v brakes with a close-to-classic look. Use your "normal" brake > levers. > > Silver anodized. > > Including an extra set of Kool-Stop salmon pads (one wheel's worth.) > > $145 shipped. > > > Dan > > - SF Bay Area > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: 58 Rambouillet Green complete bike - $1250 shipped - last bump and price drop
Last time before wrapping the bars and heading to eBay. $50 off for local SF Bay Area sales. > > Open to parting out if someone is interested in the frame or some group of > components. > > Thanks for looking! > > > - > > > After lots of pondering I have decided to offer up my green 2006 58cm > Ram for sale. > > Need to thin the herd and prep for an unexpected arrival in 6.5 months > or so. Not a bicycle arrival, either. > > It is a great bike. Nice but not perfect shape. Beausage but not too > much. No dents. I bought the bike from the first owner - time to move > it forward with a few upgrades. > > Some original and some new parts. I had just gotten into replacing the > bar tape and brake levers when I made the decision so decided to leave > the brake cables & bar wrap for the new owner to complete. I am > including new brake cables/ black housing and a package of the natural > cork tape from RBW to complete things. The brake housing run from the rear > TT > stop to the rear brake is fine and recent so I am leaving that as is. > > Here are the build details: > > 58 cm Rambouillet: > > Mavic Open Pro / Ultegra hubs > Grand Bois Cypres 30 tires - recent > Ultegra headset > Origin 8 brake levers (Tektro R340) - new > Tektro R539 brakes - recent > Shimano 105 triple front Der > Deore LX rear der > Sugino triple crankset 48/36/26 > Shimano HG-61 11-34 cassette - recent > Shimano 9-speed chain - recent > Shimano 9-speed bar ends - indexes properly if you want to go that way. > Nitto Noodles 46cm > Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem 8cm > Nitto 65 seatpost > > Not including the saddle, pedals/clips, or bottle cages. > > I am including an extra pair of new in package GB Cypres 30 tires. So 4 > tires total. > > > Link to some photos: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/3owvcanep0srgok/BC5eyQrHXk > > Let me know if there are problems accessing the images. > > Questions? Ask away. > > Dan > > -Marin / Berkeley > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: 58 Rambouillet Green complete bike - $1250 shipped - last bump and price drop
Ram is sold! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder vs Bleriot for light touring
Hey Matt. That All-Rounder looks pretty nice. Looks like it is 700c not 26". I would go after that one. A custom Riv is a special bike. A Bleriot is pretty nice too but if it works go for the All-Rounder. Dan McNamara San Rafael On Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:04:22 PM UTC-7, fxguy wrote: > > I'm looking at finally getting a Rivendell after many years...and I've > mostly decided to go the used route, in part for cost, but also the > Hillbourne I wanted is no longer available in single top tube. > > I'd like someone's opinion on two used bikes: a 2003 all rounder vs > the Bleriot a member here has posted to ebay. I have a 88 PBH and I > believe both would be a good fit. > > Bleriot: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/130682698514?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648#ht_750wt_1378 > > > All Rounder: > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2971787319.html > > Specifically, I will be doing a San Francisco to Santa Barbara light > tour in a few months. I like the idea of the 650B tires, but am less > sure about 26". I currently ride a Cannondale R2000 racing bike which > isn't gonna work. > > I'd appreciate someone from this groups opinion, even if you tell me I > should just try to buy a new one; I've always wanted the Atlantis..but > times are a bit lean these days for me. > > cheers, > Matt Bouchard > San Francisco -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/t5b7Ecqwzo0J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: All Rounder vs Bleriot for light touring
Just noticed the standover in the All-Rounder listing. It is going to be too small. But someone needs to buy that bike! Saw this on SF Craigslist: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/2970252890.html It might work for you. It does not have lowrider braze-ons up front if you were headed that way. Herons are nice frames with strong Riv ties. Some Heron info from the internet archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010109/http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html The Bleriot still looks like a strong option. On Monday, April 23, 2012 3:37:48 PM UTC-7, Esteban wrote: > > I also think the Riv is too small for you - that's gonna be 55.5 or 56 > c-c. You're about my size (87cm PBH). I prefer a larger frame for > touring. That Bleriot Jim found looks good. > > On Monday, April 23, 2012 1:54:45 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote: >> >> The All Rounder was posted on the list: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/UYlvtXpdN8Q, >> which confirms it's 700. I think it's probably too small for you but take >> it for a test drive and see. >> >> On SF CL there's a Bleriot that's probably more your size: >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/2932077264.html >> >> Good luck! >> >> jim m >> wc ca >> >> On Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:04:22 PM UTC-7, fxguy wrote: >>> >>> I'm looking at finally getting a Rivendell after many years...and I've >>> mostly decided to go the used route, in part for cost, but also the >>> Hillbourne I wanted is no longer available in single top tube. >>> >>> I'd like someone's opinion on two used bikes: a 2003 all rounder vs >>> the Bleriot a member here has posted to ebay. I have a 88 PBH and I >>> believe both would be a good fit. >>> >>> Bleriot: >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/130682698514?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648#ht_750wt_1378 >>> >>> >>> All Rounder: >>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2971787319.html >>> >>> Specifically, I will be doing a San Francisco to Santa Barbara light >>> tour in a few months. I like the idea of the 650B tires, but am less >>> sure about 26". I currently ride a Cannondale R2000 racing bike which >>> isn't gonna work. >>> >>> I'd appreciate someone from this groups opinion, even if you tell me I >>> should just try to buy a new one; I've always wanted the Atlantis..but >>> times are a bit lean these days for me. >>> >>> cheers, >>> Matt Bouchard >>> San Francisco >> >> On Monday, April 23, 2012 3:37:48 PM UTC-7, Esteban wrote: > > I also think the Riv is too small for you - that's gonna be 55.5 or 56 > c-c. You're about my size (87cm PBH). I prefer a larger frame for > touring. That Bleriot Jim found looks good. > > On Monday, April 23, 2012 1:54:45 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote: >> >> The All Rounder was posted on the list: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/UYlvtXpdN8Q, >> which confirms it's 700. I think it's probably too small for you but take >> it for a test drive and see. >> >> On SF CL there's a Bleriot that's probably more your size: >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/2932077264.html >> >> Good luck! >> >> jim m >> wc ca >> >> On Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:04:22 PM UTC-7, fxguy wrote: >>> >>> I'm looking at finally getting a Rivendell after many years...and I've >>> mostly decided to go the used route, in part for cost, but also the >>> Hillbourne I wanted is no longer available in single top tube. >>> >>> I'd like someone's opinion on two used bikes: a 2003 all rounder vs >>> the Bleriot a member here has posted to ebay. I have a 88 PBH and I >>> believe both would be a good fit. >>> >>> Bleriot: >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/130682698514?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648#ht_750wt_1378 >>> >>> >>> All Rounder: >>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2971787319.html >>> >>> Specifically, I will be doing a San Francisco to Santa Barbara light >>> tour in a few months. I like the idea of the 650B tires, but am less >>> sure about 26". I currently ride a Cannondale R2000 racing bike which >>> isn't gonna work. >>> >>> I'd appreciate someone from this groups opinion, even if you tell me I >>> should just try to buy a new one; I've always wanted the Atlantis..but >>> times are a bit lean these days for me. >>> >>> cheers, >>> Matt Bouchard >>> San Francisco >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/BUchWdracVEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] RE: FS 62 cm like new Hunqapillar
A friend at work might be interested. He visited Riv a few weeks back and the 62 Hunq is his size. Can you send a few pics? Thanks Dan San Rafael CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/UprOGB8OtGoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB or Trade for Tektro R559 Brakes
I have a new set that is not going to be used as I am going with a canti frame. If you are still looking let me know and what you might have to trade. $55 shipped if you want to buy. Dan On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:28:05 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote: > > Wanted to buy or trade for a set of Tektro R559. Please let me know if you > e along.have some you would like to mov -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cNpYhtddHnoJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: black Acorn small handlebar bag
I have one. It is in good shape. Let me pull it out tonight and send you a pic. Dan On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:36:43 AM UTC-7, Shifty wrote: > > I have a few Acorn bags and have need for one more: anyone have a small > black handlebar bag for sale? It would ship to Eden Prairie, MN. I have a > new, unopened package, Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem 100mm that I'd trade you > for. Will otherwise send payment. It's for a tandem stoker so, the large is > too..well, large but thanks anyway. > > Thanks for your reply, > Sean > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:36:43 AM UTC-7, Shifty wrote: > > I have a few Acorn bags and have need for one more: anyone have a small > black handlebar bag for sale? It would ship to Eden Prairie, MN. I have a > new, unopened package, Nitto Technomic Deluxe Stem 100mm that I'd trade you > for. Will otherwise send payment. It's for a tandem stoker so, the large is > too..well, large but thanks anyway. > > Thanks for your reply, > Sean > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/n6ysqrACVM8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Mark's Rack
I may have one for you. Let me dig around. Dan On Monday, July 9, 2012 10:26:33 AM UTC-7, Scot Brooks wrote: > > In case anyone has one of these kicking around, it'll have a good home on > the front of my new bike. I'm in Seattle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/Aebij9twTnUJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] (SF Bay Area) Tire trade
I have a set of paselas that I would trade for the fattys. Wire bead. I am local Dan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/63Ct6twMWp4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Double blue Riv day
Had a nice tire swap meetup this AM with Jason and got to check out his beautiful blue Ram. Out for a walk a few mins ago and a nice AHH cruised past me on Parker in Berkeley. RBW does great blues. Dan - who still loves his green Ram -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/AZh8-yQxTKMJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question
I am ~ 5'10" with 84.5 PBH and have a 56 Sam. The 56 is a great fit for me. I think 84 is on the cusp of 52/56 sizing but bigger is better than smaller as you can dial things in with stem, bars and saddle height. Right now I have the bike built up with 46cm Noodle bars and 8cm Technomic stem. That combo works well for me. I do believe the Taiwan 56 frames are double TT but a call to Riv will answer that. Also - sometimes there are frames in the "attic" at RBW. There was a Protovelo labeled Sam frame a few weeks back. Might still be there. The San Marcos is really geared towards road use with smaller loads and minor off road. A nice looking frame and rides well, though. If you can handle the "girl's bike" questions the Yves Gomez might be worth considering. Same geometry as the Sam. But no top tube at all! Another used bike to keep an eye open for is a Heron. There were a couple of models and they are lighter tubing than the Atlantis - but very similar geometry. Designed by Grant and Waterford built. They take narrower tires than the modern Rivs. You can dig the info out of the internet archive wayback machine. http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010028/http://www.heronbicycles.com/frames.html Dan San Rafael, CA On Jan 21, 7:29 am, Mike Goldsworthy wrote: > Thanks everyone for the help! > > I've sent an email to countrybike and will see what they've got. I'm > also going to try and get in touch with Rivendell - from the website, > it's unclear to me if the 56cm has a double TT or not. > > A few of you have suggested looking at different models - the > Atlantis, the AHH, and the Soma San Marcos. Can anyone help me with > the differences between these frames, and what they'd be good for? > > Also, one last question - I'm trying to measure my PBH, and I think > i'm about a 84.5. I'm 5'10", and in doing the method described on > Rivendell's site, I get 33.25"...which converted ends up about 84.5, > which seems to be right at the edge for a 56 Sam. I currently ride a > 54 Cannondale road bike. Anyone about the same size have experience on > a 56 Sam? > > On Jan 19, 12:13 pm, Mike Goldsworthy wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi all - > > > My first time posting...I've been wanting to get a steel lugged bike > > for a while now to use for commuting, grocery shopping, rides with the > > kids...basically an all around general bike to use when I'm not riding > > a road bike. > > > I've finally landed on the Sam, and have been saving to get enough $ > > to do a complete build. I'm about half way there, and discovered on > > their website that it seems the 56cm only comes with a double top > > tube. I emailed a few days ago to ask if this is the case, but haven't > > heard back. > > > So, here's what I'm wondering - is the 56cm Sam only with a double top > > tube now? If so, what would you suggest as some other options? I > > really like the look and the idea of the Sam, but honestly don't like > > the look of the double top tube at all...and if I'm spending that > > much, I want to love not only the feel of it when I ride, but also I > > want to love the look of it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne 56cm question - diff between the Riv models
Excellent write-up on the Riv models! Thanks for posting it. On Jan 21, 9:25 am, James Warren wrote: > Correction/clarification: The Atlantis does now succeed in achieving the > 2-inch tire clearance. Maybe more, I'm not sure. > > On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:11 AM, James Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Now that's the kind of question we need on the list right now! > > > The Atlantis came about around 1999 as Rivendell's Japanese-built version > > of their legendary All-rounder. The all-rounder is/was a bike-style > > designed to work well in the following ways: > > > as a road bike for people not set on racing lightness or racing geometry. > > as an offroad vehicle once you mount some wide tires, and the tire > > clearance is wide. Grant would shoot for two inches, although the first > > Atlantis's in 99 through 2001 only got to about 1.9. > > as an excellent touring bike > > and in other ways you can think of, because the bike is so versatile. > > > The versatility came through the very high clearances and cantilever brakes > > which gave no problem mounting fenders and very wide tires. The bike has a > > pretty long wheelbase and pretty long chainstays (although still shorter > > than the 80's Trek 720's). It has a low bottom bracket which improves road > > handling and invites larger tires, especially for offroad use. The other > > part of the versatility is the rack braze-ons and really nice fender > > mounting spots. In the earlier part of the 90's, one of the distinguishing > > features of the all-rounder was basing it around 26 inch wheels. This came > > from the Bridgestone days, when they were one of the few companies making > > "hybrids" based around the more useful at the time 26 inch wheel size when > > offroading is even considered. When Rivendell started, the All-rounder > > model would continue this 26-inch wheel design, and that was one of the > > features that made me want one then. But early in Rivendell's existence, > > they started not liking the 26-inch wheels on the larger sizes, and began > > selling the larger ones with 700c wheels and the smaller ones with 26 inch > > wheel. As a tall guy, this bummed me out until I was convinced that in the > > late 90's, offroad 700c tires, even 2-inch varieties, were beginning to > > blossom, mostly from WTB and Schwalbe. > > > In the late 90's, the all-rounder was a model made in the US and was fairly > > expensive, and Grant wanted to make a version of it in Japan that would > > cost less. This is where the Atlantis came from. It has those all-rounder > > qualities described above, the big tire clearance, the great touring > > behavior, the offroad capability, nice bike to ride unloaded for road > > rides. It's an amazing bike, and it's still available as originally > > designed, only now it has more rack braze-ons for added versatility > > (mini-racks and such). I speak from experience regarding the Atlantis. I > > got mine in 2001, and it really can do everything I would want to do > > riding. All my other bikes are specialists in some specific cycling arena > > that the Atlantis can hold its own: sporty road rides, cross-country > > mountain biking, commuting, sub-24-hour overnighters, country biking with > > long days and mixed surfaces. What the Atlantis excels at that the others > > can't match is touring rides that include camping. 700c in the large sizes > > and 26 inch in the smaller sizes. Amazing bike. One of the higher price > > Rivendell production models, but worth it. And the 700c tire options are > > wonderful now. I don't long for 26ers much anymore. Additionally, the > > Atlantis was ahead of the mainstream now so excited about these modern > > "29ers!" > > > A Homer Hilsen: > > Perhaps without the All-rounder, the AHH could not have come about. Let's > > say you never want to tour, you love country rides, you like to veer > > off-road, you like to go overnight, just not days on end, you like to be > > comfortable for a long day. You like to carry stuff on your bike, at least > > sometimes, and you like road rides. But most importantly, in addition to > > all of the above, you want to do most of it, including the road rides, on > > tires that are between 32 mm and 40 mm, because you've discovered what an > > awesome size that is, including for road rides. Also, because you like that > > tire width so much, you don't want to scale the tire down just to mount a > > fender. If so, then the A Homer Hilsen is the bike. Also, the A Homer > > Hilsen has a cool refinement: dual pivot sidepulls work well and still > > provide the clearance needed to do what's described above. > > > Another way of describing what's above for the AHH is to say that it sort > > of splits the difference between the Rivendell Atlantis and the Rivendell > > Road model. So the AHH is a refinement of the all-rounder, moved closer to > > the road end of the spectrum. Or maybe it's the other way around, b
[RBW] Green Ram touch-up paint
Looking to do some touch-up on the new-to-me green Ram and was looking for ideas on paint or nail polish that might work. The archives mention Testors #1530 (so-so match) and a Sally Hansen polish but the URL is dead. Any other good matches people have found? Thanks Dan San Rafael, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Green Ram touch-up paint
Looks like they discontinued Emerald City. The replacement is lighter green. But the site assures me that I'll just love it. The search goes on. Thanks for the lead. Dan On Feb 11, 8:57 am, Leslie wrote: > I used a Sally Hansen, Hard as Nails, Extreme Wear, nail polish that was a > color called Emerald City, that I had my daughter pick up for me at > Target. Close enough for me. Thing is, any touch-up is going to be 'on' > the paint, so, you can tell, but, this is a metallic that blends in as well > as I'd ever hope to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Green Ram touch-up paint
eBay to the rescue for the Emerald City. Thanks again. On Feb 11, 8:57 am, Leslie wrote: > I used a Sally Hansen, Hard as Nails, Extreme Wear, nail polish that was a > color called Emerald City, that I had my daughter pick up for me at > Target. Close enough for me. Thing is, any touch-up is going to be 'on' > the paint, so, you can tell, but, this is a metallic that blends in as well > as I'd ever hope to. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Green Ram touch-up paint
The bottle just came in. It looks pretty close but I'll get some on the bike this weekend. Ended up being less that $6 shipped. Thanks again for the tip. Dan On Feb 22, 12:04 pm, Leslie wrote: > Was the Emerald City close enough for your tastes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Using a Sam Hillborne as a "go fast-ish" bike
I had a 56 Sam STT and for me it was definitely more of a country bike than a go fast-ish bike. Started with roly-polys and Noodles but the tires just felt too narrow. Switched to Marathons then threw in the towel. I ended up getting a Ram as the go fast-ish and saving the pennies for the AHH as a country bike. The San Marcos seems like a good option. It is not a touring bike but can take racks and carry a small-ish load. Designed for 32-35mm tires. Lighter tubing than the Sam or AHH so will probably feel more responsive. Good luck in the search. Dan On Mar 25, 4:13 pm, SeanMac wrote: > I'm considering pulling the trigger on one of the new blue Sam > Hillborne's. They look like really wonderful bikes. Strong, versatile, > attractive are words that come to mind when I think about this bike. These > are qualities that I find attractive. However, I also like to go fastish. > Can I do this with a Sam as well? > > I'm pushing 45 years old. A few years ago I had a custom made go-fast bike > built for me. That bike goes fast, but is limited in what it can do. I > also have a Trek 520 Touring bike. This bike, obviously, is built for > touring. Its not very fast, nor very lively. In short, my Trek isn't much > fun to ride. I'm looking for a bike to fit in between these two bikes -- > one that will be able to carry a few bags and ride on stone dust bike paths > (such as the Erie Canal path), but one that will not feel sluggish to ride > (like my Trek). > > Most of the time, when I see photos of Sams, the bikes seem to be set up to > be workhorses -- carrying a collection of bags and racks. I want to be > able to do this with a bike (thus the attraction to the bike in the first > place). However, I would like to use noodle bars and go on fast-ish club > and recreational rides as well. In fact, the vast majority of rides will > be 20 - 30 mile "out for fun and exercise" rides. Is the Sam well suited > to this as well, or will it likely feel more like my Trek 520? Most likely > I would set up a Sam with Noodle bars and tires such as Roly-Poly or Jack > Browns. > > I'm also considering having a custom built randonneur bike -- one that will > be able to carry some load but also feel quick and lively to ride. > However, if the Sam will meet my needs, it certainly would be a less > expensive alternative. I don't think that my body has any proportions that > would make me difficult to fit (5ft, 11 inches tall, PBH 87.5, arm length > 35 inches) so I don't think that I *need* to go custom (though it sure is > fun to do so!). > > Any thoughts on whether a Sam would be a good choice would be appreciated. > > Sean -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn Bars Tall Rando Bag and Medium Saddle Bag Black
Medium Saddle Bag is taken. Tall Rando is still available. On Monday, December 22, 2014 4:51:59 PM UTC-8, danmc wrote: > > These are both unused. Turns out the Tall Rando is too tall and crowds the > levers. Of course I have the matching saddlebag as well. Going to head in a > different direction so they are both p for grabs. > > Recent vintage so the latest material per the Acorn Bags site. The Tall > Rando has been out of the box and set on a rack but never mounted. > Saddlebag has never been on a bike. > > > Tall Rando: $215 shipped to the US > > Medium Saddlebag: $85 shipped to the US > > The pair for $290 shipped to the US > > PayPal friend/family is preferred but we can talk about it. > > Send a PM to djmcnamara at gmail dot com if you are interested. > > Thanks > > Dan - Marin CA > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What's your Rivendell story?
Way back in the day I convinced my parents that a road bike was what I needed and they fronted me the $ so I could go to REI in Berkeley to pick something out. Spent a fair amount of time there chatting with familiar sales guys and ended up with a Peugeot. Actually memory is fuzzy from the late 70's high school era so it might have been a Gitane. Or something else. But a nice road bike no matter the label. Had been riding the typical Schwinn banana seat bikes until that point. Anyway, ended up going to college in Davis and really getting into cycling. Fair number of centuries and double Cs. Then lost interest until 1994 when I wandered into the local bike shop thinking about getting a mountain bike. Wanted to see what the fuss was about. Instead took an '93 XO-1 out for a spin and was blown away by the bike. Read the Bridgestone catalogs and put the pieces together that Grant had been the main person helping me with my first real bike purchase. Could not make the money work so ended up buying an XO-4 as I would be doing more road than trail riding. Still have that bike. Still fairly stock. About to become more Riv-ish with Albas and some racks. It is a great bike. Since buying the XO-4 I watched Riv but time was not right for another bike. In the last few years though I have added a few bikes. Now have a Ram and a Bomba. My wife recently got a Betty. She loves that bike. Insists on keeping it in the living room. Always a great experience dealing with Riv and Grant. On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:06:10 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote: > > So how did you originally find out about them, and why/where/how did you > get your first Rivendell bike? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/vYdHYNrto8UJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 59cm Bleriot $1650 in SF Craigslist
Not affiliated with the seller although I did see the bike as I bought the orig front when when he was changing to a dyno. Nice bike and well maintained. It is a 59 not a 58. I thought it might be a 57 in which case i would have grabbed it. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/3266244122.html Dan San Rafael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/LEinz2WEKlYJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: 53cm Heron Wayfarer F/F/HS $700 + shipping
Decided to sell the Heron that I was going to build out for my wife for touring - but she is too hooked on her Betty Foy. "See, I can put a lowrider on the Betty, no problem!" Anyway, the frame is in great shape. A few very minor paint dings and a decal scratch. All straight, no dents or anything. Bailey Falls Blue is the color. An interesting dark blue/green metallic. I have a bottle of touch up paint for it from Waterford and an extra decal set. Stronglight A9 alloy headset with both sealed and needle bearing set. The sealed bearings are installed - the needle bearing set is new and unused. This is a really great frame for all around riding or loaded touring. Very comfortable and stable yet pretty lively thanks to the geo and the tubing selection. 26" wheels on the 53cm frame. Grant design and Waterford build. The Wayfarer is basically the Heron Touring frame with these changes: • Features a new, heavy-duty fork equipped with mid-fork braze-ons for low-rider rack mounting. • New stainless steel dropouts are left bare on the mounting surfaces to prevent paint damage from quick release skewers and hubs. • The chainstay bridge is positioned the same distance from the rear axle as the seatstay bridge to provide a cleaner fender installation. • The seatstay and chainstay bridges provide braze-ons for simple, direct fender mounting. The 53cm will fit a saddle height of ~66 to 69cm. Depends how much post you want to show. Pictures can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/78804025@N08/sets/72157631529864164 Lots of info available thanks to the internet archive. Sizing: http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010038/http://www.heronbicycles.com/sizing.html Tubing/history/specs: http://web.archive.org/web/20061029005905/http://www.heronbicycles.com/faq.html Geo: http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010109/http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html Colors: http://web.archive.org/web/20061029005853/http://www.heronbicycles.com/colors.html Heron Models: http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010028/http://www.heronbicycles.com/frames.html PayPal personal, please. I am in the SF Bay Area (Marin & Berkeley) so a pickup or delivery/meeting is very possible. Email off-list if you are interested or have questions. Thanks Dan Marin CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/U5PS2-koe84J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: 53cm Heron Wayfarer F/F/HS $700 + shipping
I have gotten a few questions about the stand over. It is 78.5cm with 32mm Paselas at the middle of the TT. Dan Marin On Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:43:38 PM UTC-7, danmc wrote: > > Decided to sell the Heron that I was going to build out for my wife for > touring - but she is too hooked on her Betty Foy. "See, I can put a > lowrider on the Betty, no problem!" > > Anyway, the frame is in great shape. A few very minor paint dings and a > decal scratch. All straight, no dents or anything. Bailey Falls Blue is the > color. An interesting dark blue/green metallic. I have a bottle of touch up > paint for it from Waterford and an extra decal set. > > Stronglight A9 alloy headset with both sealed and needle bearing set. The > sealed bearings are installed - the needle bearing set is new and unused. > > This is a really great frame for all around riding or loaded touring. Very > comfortable and stable yet pretty lively thanks to the geo and the tubing > selection. 26" wheels on the 53cm frame. > > Grant design and Waterford build. The Wayfarer is basically the Heron > Touring frame with these changes: > • Features a new, heavy-duty fork equipped with mid-fork braze-ons for > low-rider rack mounting. > • New stainless steel dropouts are left bare on the mounting surfaces to > prevent paint damage from quick release skewers and hubs. > • The chainstay bridge is positioned the same distance from the rear axle > as the seatstay bridge to provide a cleaner fender installation. > • The seatstay and chainstay bridges provide braze-ons for simple, direct > fender mounting. > > The 53cm will fit a saddle height of ~66 to 69cm. Depends how much post > you want to show. > > Pictures can be found here: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/78804025@N08/sets/72157631529864164 > > Lots of info available thanks to the internet archive. > > Sizing: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010038/http://www.heronbicycles.com/sizing.html > > Tubing/history/specs: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20061029005905/http://www.heronbicycles.com/faq.html > > Geo: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010109/http://www.heronbicycles.com/geometry.html > > Colors: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20061029005853/http://www.heronbicycles.com/colors.html > > Heron Models: > > http://web.archive.org/web/20061029010028/http://www.heronbicycles.com/frames.html > > PayPal personal, please. I am in the SF Bay Area (Marin & Berkeley) so a > pickup or delivery/meeting is very possible. > > Email off-list if you are interested or have questions. > > Thanks > > Dan > > Marin CA > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/2D3fN92xJWAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today
Very happy new owner getting outfitted for trip from SF to Inverness in Marin this weekend. The color was a deep blue with a touch of green. The bike looked great! Should have snapped a picture but maybe someone at RBW HQ did? Always a great visit. Offers to share lunch and lots of great bikes. Got the headset spacers I need to keep moving on the Heron Wayfarer rebirth - thanks Mark! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Spotted a beautiful custom paint Sam Hill at RBW today
What did they call the color? Was thinking about a Betty Foy for the SO but she is more partial to green than blue. On Aug 3, 9:08 pm, danmc wrote: > Very happy new owner getting outfitted for trip from SF to Inverness > in Marin this weekend. The color was a deep blue with a touch of > green. The bike looked great! Should have snapped a picture but maybe > someone at RBW HQ did? > > Always a great visit. Offers to share lunch and lots of great bikes. > Got the headset spacers I need to keep moving on the Heron Wayfarer > rebirth - thanks Mark! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Cork Grip Groove Question
I can snap a few pictures of mine as the bar-ends are not installed at the moment. Should be up in a couple of hours. On Aug 5, 8:27 am, Zack wrote: > Hey all - > > I have a pair of the non-grooved miesha cork grips, and am hollowing them > out myself to allow me to use bar ends - > > I just did the hollowing out, and it seems like there is a lot of cork > hanging off the end of the bar (i.e. the bar end shifter will have to go > through about 1/2" of cork before hitting the end of the handlebar). > > Do I have to shorten the grip by sanding off the end that hangs off the bar > a bit? > > Any help would be appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pictures of Sammy
Great looking bike. I have also have 84 PBH but went for the 56cm Sam. I love the bike but it is a large frame. Those sure look like 650B tires so would your bike be a 52cm? Or was there a 54cm at some point in the past? Dan On Sep 1, 3:56 pm, Frank Brose wrote: > Nicely done. I dig the front basket. I at one point in my life had an > Atlantis painted by D&D. He lays down some nice paint. > Tail Winds. > > On Sep 1, 10:06 am, Adam wrote: > > > > > > > > > I went for a short spin down to the Berkeley Pier after a long day > > yesterday and took a few shots of my Sam Hillborne in the sunset > > light. Custom paint from D&D, navy and cream. 54cm, standard build. > > Lotsa miles. > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/39219052@N06/sets/72157627569638624/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Pictures of Sammy
Size would be the distance from the center of the bottom bracket to the top of the seat post. Anyway, maybe I'll see you out there on the Berkeley pier sometime. I would be on my orange Sam or the blue MB3. Dan On Sep 4, 9:36 am, Adam wrote: > Dan, > > Now I'm not sure about the sizing but they are 650b. It could very > well be a 52cm but I have no idea how to measure. > > Perhaps it's totally unrelated but just rode my first century+ on it > yesterday and am exhausted and stoked. > > Adam > > On Sep 2, 4:33 pm, danmc wrote: > > > > > > > > > Great looking bike. I have also have 84 PBH but went for the 56cm Sam. > > I love the bike but it is a large frame. > > > Those sure look like 650B tires so would your bike be a 52cm? Or was > > there a 54cm at some point in the past? > > > Dan > > > On Sep 1, 3:56 pm, Frank Brose wrote: > > > > Nicely done. I dig the front basket. I at one point in my life had an > > > Atlantis painted by D&D. He lays down some nice paint. > > > Tail Winds. > > > > On Sep 1, 10:06 am, Adam wrote: > > > > > I went for a short spin down to the Berkeley Pier after a long day > > > > yesterday and took a few shots of my Sam Hillborne in the sunset > > > > light. Custom paint from D&D, navy and cream. 54cm, standard build. > > > > Lotsa miles. > > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/39219052@N06/sets/72157627569638624/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Fitting on the Sam Hillborne
I have a PBH of 84.5 (5' 10" 165) and a 56 Sam. My Sam is a great bike. I rode the 52 and it felt a little small. I am mostly riding on road although I have had the Sam on a few fire trails and it is great. There was some debate at Riv HQ about sizing as 84 -85 is the tipping point between the two sizes. If you are set on 700 tires then you want the 56. If you want 650B and more standover then 52. In my case bigger felt better. Dan On Sep 23, 10:04 am, Peter M wrote: > Need someone who owns a HIllborne who can tell me what the real > standover is on the 56cm. Called Riv and was told that it would be a > bit too big for someone with a 84cm pbh but have heard from other > people that it should be fine with just a few cm clearance. I ride a > 58cm raleigh international right now but wanted to move up to > something more sturdy for a bigger guy. I was also thinking of the San > Marcos in 54cm but not sure if that can support 240lbs of my fat ass. > Any opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: OMG, a Kiddie Rivvy!
That looks great. I was just starting to plan a first bike for my 2 month old. Hope to see it in production but I (we) would be happy with a proto. On Nov 8, 8:29 pm, Allan in Portland wrote: > Yeah, dibs on one of the samples. :-) > > Though, from my experience, what boys really want are knobbies, gears, and > handbrakes in that order. > > When he started 1st grade our neighbor gave my son a hand-me down Trek 20" > coaster brake bike. I replaced the imitation moto-cross tires and fenders > with Schwalbe Marathons and full-coverage Wald chrome and gave it a nice > brass bell. (The cheap jingle-bell didn't last as my wife got sick of > listening to it everyday, twice a day, for ~2 miles each way.) I was going > to put some mustache bars on it to complete the look, but never got around > to it. I really should. > > Of course, he has no appreciation for it and vastly prefers riding the 30+ > lb full-suspension Walmart special yet another neighbor gave him. Of course > I let him choose which he rides. That is, until the rain comes then it's > "sorry, gotta ride the 'fender' bike." -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What's your winter project? 2011 version
Got two builds planned Heron Wayfarer - contemplating 650B conversion. Rawland cSogn as MTB-ish thing. Gather parts for a Betty Foy build in the spring. The 52cm frame won't be available until March. Maybe start the MB3 restore? Probably not going to happen but we'll see. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
