Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

[iamkeith]

The Toyo article is in Reader #31.

https://notfine.com/rivendell/

I can see how I romanticized my recollection of it.  I don't think they're 
the ones who reserved certain tasks for elder artisans.  They're a company 
like many, who train employees in their methods and culture, and hope 
they'll be around to continue in the future.

On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 11:41:12 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> I have a Toyo built Romulus, a Bleriot which I believe was made by Maxway, 
> a Riv custom built by Curt Goodrich, and an Appaloosa which I guess is 
> probably made by  Maxway as well. I can't really differentiate the quality 
> of the lugwork and paint between the three factory-built frames, it's fine 
> on all of them, as is the handling. The custom feels the nicest, 
> particularly over indifferent road surfaces, but then the tubing sizes and 
> gauges were chosen to suit a rider of my 63Kg weight, whereas the factory 
> frames have to be built to potentially cope with much heavier riders - when 
> I had the custom built, I also specified that it wouldn't be loaded with 
> anything more than required for day tours, so it didn't have to be built to 
> potentially cope with carrying a heavy touring load.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Map Rando

[S. Greco]

*SOLD*
On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> This bike is on my short list of buy-it-if-I-see-it.  I was all in on 
> Rivendell when these came out, but I have since come to really enjoy 
> lightweight low trail bikes as a counterpoint to Rivendell.  If the top 
> tube were a bit longer I'd but this without hesitation.
>
> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 7:14:06 PM UTC-6 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> besides perhaps rivendell, i've only ever wanted a Mitch Pryor built 
>> frame. Absolutely no need but if I stumbled upon a lot of money (and he was 
>> still building) I'd throw a bunch at him. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 4:56:41 PM UTC-5 Oliver Moss wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, what a fantastic looking bike. I bet the ride is spectacular. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 11:13:07 AM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:
>>>
 ~57st ctc x ~54tt ctc
 $2950 + actual shipping via bike flights
 more photos available HERE 
 

 [image: map1.jpg]
 [image: map2.jpg]

 Bi-lam MAP randonneur with hand painted box pinstriping
 Built for 650bx42 with fenders or 650bx48 without fenders
 Custom front rack with removable low rider pannier supports
 This bike includes a custom battery-powered taillight, but is also 
 built to work with a dyno setup - the fork has internal routing and the 
 downtube is drilled to route power to a dyno taillight. 
 Excellent condition with some paint chips and scratches, but no dents 
 or dings 
 Saddle and pedals are not included

 Includes:
 nitto pearl 90 stem
 nitto sp72 seat post
 nitto/rene herse randonneur bars
 tektro brakes and levers
 shimano ultegra fd and deore rd
 wheel set - 36h campy rear hub/front hub marked "FRANCE"
 IRD triple crankset

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Toyo frames

[ascpgh]

To the unaccounted elevation of Toyo-built versus others, they were still a 
mass maker, just smaller volume and able to solve the economic formula of 
the moment given all the variables. You can bet Grant knows about exchange 
rates and the implications of even an economic choice of wholesale costing 
if in another currency. 

A mass maker is still that. Your name isn't on the bike and the uses you 
intend may match the marketing descriptions but you can still come up short 
of perfect.

My Toyo-built Rambouillet has had the rear dropouts replaced (the DS one 
broke right across its entry into the chainstay) and the rear brake bridge 
rebrazed because it broke out of the seat stays. Fortunately for me the 
solid pool of brass was like a socket that kept the caliper the right 
distance from the axle, even if it did rotate a few degrees on the side 
where it popped when the pads grabbed the rim. 

RBW had MN replace the dropouts and JB resprayed the orange-sicle finish. 
By the time I had the stay reattached, not at a higher position since 
clearance was already better than the fork's, I had it done locally and did 
and rattle can spot repaint to cover the steel. Yes there were no Toyo Rams 
with windows of cream like the head tube on the seat stays, except mine.

So now at the Toyo Rambouillet's twenty year mark I'm riding two bikes for 
my travels my longer, heavier trips are on a bike made custom for me, my 
uses and preferences of loading. You could only conform to a Toyo-built 
bike's intentions, hopefully they are close to your own. Otherwise the 
subtle nuances of a custom made for you is only limited by the 
conversations and ideas of a builder you engage.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 5:50:41 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> To Mathias' note  I would suggest that Richard Sachs, Mark Nobillette and 
> Joe Starck were the most notable early builders.. along with but ahead of 
> Waterford.  But I suggest that mostly because doing so  illustrates a 
> point:  that there's a lot of subjective measure as to what or whos is 
> "better."
>
> As the others note, Grant has always been very adamant that all of 
> Rivendell's "factories" are equally good, so who are we to challenge that.  
> As the others state, having Toyo make larger batches was just one step in a 
> continuous and ongoing process of trying to keep the bikes affordable.
>
> All that said, and since I own a couple of Toyo-built models, I like to 
> IMAGINE that they have some special magic.  If you can find the Reader 
> article, it is pretty interesting.  I want to say mid 40s in issue no.  The 
> biggest thing, if I remember correctly, was the amount of experience and 
> expertise the builders had.  There were several "tiers" of craftsmen, with 
> the most important work being left to the seniors.  (Or do zI have this 
> mixed up with Nitto??!  Maybe both?) They were/are true craftsmen, seeing 
> brazing as a calling and lifetime career, and multi-generational in some 
> cases. In theory, experience keeps someone from over-heating a tube, or 
> impropperly filling a joint, and "could" make a stronger and prettier 
> frame.  In practice, it probably doesn't make much difference. I don’t know 
> if there's room or appreciation for that level of craftsmanship in the 
> world anymore.  I bought the Japanese Steel coffee table book from Riv.  It 
> is nice to think about a time when that culture DID exist. 
>
> There were other, minordetails that only an overly obsessed bike geek 
> would care about, like: subtlely s-shaped chainstays on the Atlantis;  
> graceful, double-taper seat stays on the Rambouillet; and artfully thinned 
> edges on the lugs of the Saluki.  Many of the high-quality steel tubes that 
> era are no longer made, but I don't know if they were superior or not.  
> Tubing manufacture and metalurgy is a huge rabbit hole to jump into, if 
> someone was interested.  Grant has always shunned the ultra-lite, exotic 
> tubes in favor of durability, anyway.  One other interesting thought is 
> that, in that era, the frames were 100% brazed (maybe with the exception of 
> canti posts).  So a damaged tube or stay could theoretically be replaced 
> with greater ease.
>
> All the design refinements manifested in the newer models certainly 
> out-weigh any artisan touches of the old models.  Some day, when China 
> takes Taiwan, we're all going to wax nostalgic about what we have now!
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 11:18:18 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> As covered, Toyo was used to build Rivendell batch frames for a period 
>> when it was more cost-effective than building stateside at Waterford, but a 
>> couple years later exchange rates made it not as economically viable to 
>> have frames made in Japan anymore so they started working with Maxway in 
>> Taiwan. The quality is very similar across all three, the tubing is 
>> essentially the same, but there is an emotional component that can make one 
>> 

[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Map Rando

[Michael Ullmer]

I'm with you Captain Conway, this was my grail bike when I was all in on 
the rando scene. I based my Fitz Rando custom on Mitch Pryor's bike that 
was reviewed in an early BQ. His work is stellar! Glad it went to a good 
home

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 8:03:21 AM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:

>
> *SOLD*
> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 12:08:53 PM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> This bike is on my short list of buy-it-if-I-see-it.  I was all in on 
>> Rivendell when these came out, but I have since come to really enjoy 
>> lightweight low trail bikes as a counterpoint to Rivendell.  If the top 
>> tube were a bit longer I'd but this without hesitation.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 7:14:06 PM UTC-6 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>>> besides perhaps rivendell, i've only ever wanted a Mitch Pryor built 
>>> frame. Absolutely no need but if I stumbled upon a lot of money (and he was 
>>> still building) I'd throw a bunch at him. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 4:56:41 PM UTC-5 Oliver Moss wrote:
>>>
 Wow, what a fantastic looking bike. I bet the ride is spectacular. 

 On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 11:13:07 AM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:

> ~57st ctc x ~54tt ctc
> $2950 + actual shipping via bike flights
> more photos available HERE 
> 
>
> [image: map1.jpg]
> [image: map2.jpg]
>
> Bi-lam MAP randonneur with hand painted box pinstriping
> Built for 650bx42 with fenders or 650bx48 without fenders
> Custom front rack with removable low rider pannier supports
> This bike includes a custom battery-powered taillight, but is also 
> built to work with a dyno setup - the fork has internal routing and the 
> downtube is drilled to route power to a dyno taillight. 
> Excellent condition with some paint chips and scratches, but no dents 
> or dings 
> Saddle and pedals are not included
>
> Includes:
> nitto pearl 90 stem
> nitto sp72 seat post
> nitto/rene herse randonneur bars
> tektro brakes and levers
> shimano ultegra fd and deore rd
> wheel set - 36h campy rear hub/front hub marked "FRANCE"
> IRD triple crankset
>


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[RBW] FS: Nitto R-50 Saddlebag Grip

[Michael Ullmer]

Downsizing my collection of these grips from 3 to 2.

$85 shipped in the US

Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/PUeQB1YNhUWsfSgx5

PM off-list

Mike in Minneapolis

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[RBW] WTB Stem - Nitto TIG FacePlater - 225mm Quill - 25.4 (CR60-3T) 135mm

[Garrett Warren]

just looking to buy this stem for my bosco bars. looks like discontinued on 
site and not available anywhere else

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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

[Christian Santa]

If you're curious to see the Toyo Factory and its history, watch the below 
YouTube link I happened to come across as I researched this topic several 
weeks ago. It's not directly Rivendell related, but they do mention how 
they used to build other brands and how they've evolved. It's an 
interesting watch if you're a visual type of person and a fellow Toyo owner 
like myself. 

https://youtu.be/EajhYjSUxaU?si=8f4OFH9yBvd5yk2Q

-Christian Santa
On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 7:15:58 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> The Toyo article is in Reader #31.
>
> https://notfine.com/rivendell/
>
> I can see how I romanticized my recollection of it.  I don't think they're 
> the ones who reserved certain tasks for elder artisans.  They're a company 
> like many, who train employees in their methods and culture, and hope 
> they'll be around to continue in the future.
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 11:41:12 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> I have a Toyo built Romulus, a Bleriot which I believe was made by 
>> Maxway, a Riv custom built by Curt Goodrich, and an Appaloosa which I guess 
>> is probably made by  Maxway as well. I can't really differentiate the 
>> quality of the lugwork and paint between the three factory-built frames, 
>> it's fine on all of them, as is the handling. The custom feels the nicest, 
>> particularly over indifferent road surfaces, but then the tubing sizes and 
>> gauges were chosen to suit a rider of my 63Kg weight, whereas the factory 
>> frames have to be built to potentially cope with much heavier riders - when 
>> I had the custom built, I also specified that it wouldn't be loaded with 
>> anything more than required for day tours, so it didn't have to be built to 
>> potentially cope with carrying a heavy touring load.
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Chris Law]

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/bop/d/easton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frameset/7798547012.html

Awesome deal on a Clem in MD. If I didn't buy one recently I'd be 
road-tripping this weekend.. 

On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 10:53:06 AM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:

> A Sam and Roadini in Ventura, look to be 57cm or so. 
>
>
> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/ventura-fresh-rivendell-samh-roadini/7797905946.html
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-7 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Homer 53 or 54 frame in Indianapolis. No affiliation.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1254176829094505/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A29050bb5-6bac-4784-82f8-0942b2624cf2
>>
>> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 9:14:09 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hillborne
>>> Bronze green, 51cm 
>>> $4,500!
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/405311264062
>>>
>>> Really frustratingly bad photos and description but looks like a nice 
>>> clean bike overall. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 jerry...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not mine, no affiliation...
 Rivendell Roadini Frameset 61cm - $800 (willow glen / cambrian)

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bop/d/san-jose-rivendell-roadini-frameset-61cm/7795327387.html
 [image: 01234567.jpg]


 On Monday 21 October 2024 at 06:34:19 UTC-7 Oliver Moss wrote:

> There are some Riv shirts on RadBazaar as well. A little pricey for 
> shirts in my opinion, but if you're looking for one...


>
> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 8:10:40 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>
>> I remember seeing that red Roscoe Platypus for sale on IG a long time 
>> ago by the same seller. Cool bike that inspired my poor-woman’s Rosco 
>> Hardrock build. (Squint hard)
>> Anyhow surprised it’s still available. 
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2024, at 16:18, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Fried Cheezus.  That canti-ROM complete is a very good deal.  
>>
>>
>> Bill Lindsay who already has a 59cm Romulus in El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 6:04:08 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>
>>> Rad Bazaar Riv Roundup:
>>> 59cm Canti Romulus 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 60cm Orange Sam(centerpull) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 50cm Red Rosco Plat 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 1:52:00 PM UTC-4 Steve Theberge wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 No affiliation, but i just came across this Joe Appaloosa listed on 
 western Mass craigslist. Too small for me but looks sweet!

 https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/northampton-rivendell-appaloosa-51cm/7789700258.html

 On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I'm sure you're right. I also didn't read that it was repainted 
> before I posted it. Still a cool bike. 
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>>
>> I doubt this 62 cm Betty Foy has 26 inch wheels as stated in the 
>> listing. My smaller frame Betty Foy is a 58 cm frame (to become the 
>> 55 cm 
>> frame in later iterations) and has 650 B wheels. 
>>
>> Geometry comes via a two-year-old post from Garth:
>>
>>
>> https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/4331eca7079dc/original_geometry.pdf?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrFFKgvCHmJ0FadrC-q-C57p5mVbVHow-EhbZ95aNCvAXR8N2OY8Y3-1t50mB8YqWorf1xFZaYCqLIKLVa7Wm-C-fmU8rQbcZvFW4zEBGyau32r8ZEE
>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 8:01:07 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> 62 cm Foy, you don't see that every day. 
>>>
>>> https://cosprings.craigslist.org/bik/d/colorado-springs-rivendell-betty-foy/7787242415.html
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:16:52 PM UTC-4 EGNolan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No affiliation with either of these: 

 55 cm Custom Road-ish Riv in CA: 

 https://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/d/monterey-rivendell-custom-road-55cm/7763735306.html

 60cm Green Cheviot in NC

 https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/asheville-rivendell-cheviot-60cm/968048.html


 On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 12:11:54 PM UTC-4 
 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:

> 50 cm Roadini frame $800 obo (mine!)
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendel

[RBW] Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Bob Walicki]

On one of my bikes I have 1x set-up. It's currently a 32T up front and the 
largest I can go is 34T. I think I want to do that as I want to be able to 
push a little harder.

In conversations with my LBS they pointed out I could also go as large as 
possible with my tires to increase the length of each revolution.

I'm currently running 700x44 Snowqualmies (RH). I definitely have clearance 
for "taller" tires, but I'm at a loss for even starting a search like this.

Anyone have recs?

TIA
Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO/WTB 650b dynamo wheelset

[Matthew Whalen]

I couldn’t tell you because I got a custom build so it was a total price which was reasonably priced in my opinion. Best bike shop I’ve ever worked with!On Oct 30, 2024, at 3:36 PM, Fred Marsh  wrote:Mind sharing how much it ran you? I'm not too far from Mack's, I might have them build me a dynamo wheel.On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 2:33:46 PM UTC-5 mnwha...@gmail.com wrote:You could have Mack’s Bikes and Goods in Chicago build you some custom wheels up! They just did 650b 36spoke cliffhanger for me and they are great.On Oct 30, 2024, at 10:52 AM, J-D Bamford  wrote:In 2-3 weeks, I anticipate retiring a Polyvalent (650b) and moving up to a Riv Roaduno (700c) frame (frame is already purchased, but I'm waiting on Riv to build and ship a rear wheel). I should be able to sell the 650b front wheel (but the rear has an issue and will be junked). Front wheel was built by Anthony at Longleaf Cycles. It's a Velo-Orange 650b rim (polished, maybe model was "diagonale"?), double-butted stainless spokes, and an SP dynamo hub. It's served simply as city bike / farmers market shopper, neighborhood cruiser for maybe 8 years. Very low miles, I'm guessing 200-300. Can post pictures here this weekend. Haven't thought about price yet, but certainly a lot less than buying new from Riv/Rich or Crust. When my Roaduno wheel arrives, I'll have a wheel-sized shipping box that I can reuse for the 650b.On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 11:30:45 AM UTC-6 turmoili...@gmail.com wrote:hello all,i’m in search of a 650b wheelset for my clem smith jr L. added bonus if you have any dynamo front wheel for sale. i’m realizing it’s a little hard to find these used for this wheel size. or if anyone knows a good website to build from scratch minus the riv website (which i’ll do eventually if i can’t find anything else) happy weekend riding, rafael 



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Re: [RBW] Re: First Riv consideration

[Ryan Schlichting]

Hi all, this is actually my first post. I’ll send another introductory post
soon but I wanted to respond to this.

I live in the East bay so I actually tested out the Charlie Gallup a few
days ago. It definitely has a kickstand plate. I loved the ride. I’m
originally a roadie and was thinking about getting a Roadini next month but
decided to try out the Gallup just for fun. I was blown away by it. You can
really feel the flex but in a springy way. I rode it on two different days
just to be sure and decided to get one. It’s the ultimate comfortable road
bike that’s still light and fast. Even though it’s meant for swept back
bars, I think drops will be perfect for it as long as I get the right stem
length.

Anyway, my two cents worth.

Ryan

On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 9:40 AM Dorothy C  wrote:

> You are right - I called and spoke to James, the Gallop does have a
> kickstand plate
>
> On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 5:56:28 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I think the Charlie does have a kickstand plate?  I could be mistaken, I
>> saw a photo of the BB area that looked like there was none but this photo
>> from the Riv product page leads me to believe that it's there, but was just
>> out of frame in the other photo because of the long chainstays.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2024-10-30 at 5.52.26 PM.png]
>>
>> On Saturday 26 October 2024 at 07:38:53 UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_3208.jpeg]G Ram
>>> One consideration I would have for a commuting bike is a kickstand plate
>>> - the Charlie and Roadini don’t have that. I own a 47cm Roadini (650b) that
>>> I was able to make work with the Soma chainstay mounted kickstand if I am
>>> careful about what I have on the bike, but my 50cm Roadini (700c) wouldn’t
>>> work with a Greenfield aftermarket plate or the Soma - they kept loosening,
>>> and I was afraid of mashing the chainstays if I tightened them any more.
>>> This was with Newbaums or strips of leather underneath.
>>> Homer, Platy, Sam, Clem, Roaduno, Atlantis, all of those come with
>>> kickstand plates.
>>>
>>> I have a multi modal commute on the train where the main bike support
>>> for a stack of up to three bikes is a strap round the upper part of the
>>> bike. There are wheel straps at the side, but they are fiddly to reach
>>> without kneeling on the floor. This is on Metrolink in Los Angeles.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 25, 2024 at 6:14:24 AM UTC-7 ryan.tre...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 FWIW, I think Riv is very conservative in their weight ratings.  Even
 their "light" offerings are very sturdy.  I am 275 lbs and have owned
 several of their bikes and never had a problem.  That includes a 61cm
 Roadeo and 61cm Roadini.  Both were pretty stiff even with my weight.  I
 road both mostly on pavement, but also on some light gravel trails around
 the City (Denver).  I put maybe 10-15 extra pounds on the Roadini in a rear
 saddlebag and no issues.  Actually the most flexible Riv I had was a 64cm
 Clem L, which is probably understandable given the low stepover and very
 long effective top tube length.  I used to load that one up with groceries
 all the time in a front basket - probably another 20 pounds.  It was fine,
 but a bit flexy.

 -Ryan

 On Thursday, October 24, 2024 at 5:32:01 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> FWIW. I’ve never toured but for decades I’ve carried heavy rear
> pannier loads (up to 50 lb) on lightweight frames including 2 Riv custom
> roads, a Ram, a heavy but very noodley Raleigh Technium (once carried ~20
> lb of library books in a tall stack in my left pannier, nothing on right,
> across town), and on my best rear load carrier of them all, a very light, 
> *tout
> 531* 1973 Motobecane Grand Record racing frame. Tubus Fly or custom
> racks. There was often a bit of tail wag — but less on the Motobecane for
> some reason! -- but apart from long distances on very rough roads I’d not
> worry too much about it.
>
> IME and IMO, Rivendells are overbuilt for riders well under 200 lb and
> I’d not worry about it.
>
> If I’m going to carry more than 30 lb on the current Riv-cloned 2020
> Matthews with thinnish wall, normal gauge 531 tubing I do prefer to spread
> the load over front and rear panniers, say 20/30 f/r.
>
> Patrick “currently about 170” Moore
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 2:14 PM Jason Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>> Based on my experience with the CHG prototype I had, the Susie I
>> have, and the frame geo and tubing on the production CHG - I am willing 
>> to
>> bet it will have quite a noticeable flex to the frame, but I don't mean
>> that in a negative way at all, quite the contrary!  But if you commute 
>> with
>> one heavier pannier like I do, it might feel weird. I found the Charlie 
>> to
>> become overly noodly if I had stuff in my front basket and a pannier out
>> back.
>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus 2024 frames

[Isaak Oliansky]

Thanks you all for pointing me in the right direction! I purchased the last 
green 57cm Appaloosa from blue lug and look forward to decking it with the 
parts bin. It pays to be a hoarder; I've got it all save a 26.8 seatpost 
(xtr chromo is my pick, let's go ebay) and a b17. First Riv in the books 
(maybe 4 retired/sold Bridgestones later)! 

On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 12:33:55 PM UTC-7 Mike Rossi wrote:

> Thanks, Jakob. I’m always surprised at how fast items can get to me here 
> on the east coast of the U.S. from Japan. When I order from California, UPS 
> takes 8 days. Kudos to DHL.
> Also, notice all the “Blue Lug” tape on my box. They took the frame out 
> and prepped it (chased the bottom bracket shell threads and installed a 
> 113mm Shimano bottom bracket). I removed the BB, as I have another 118mm 
> that I’m installing. I’m leaving the headset alone, but I wouldn’t be 
> surprised if I found out they faced the head tube. And, after checking the 
> frame over with a fine toothed comb, the only “flaw” I found was the R in 
> Rivendell in the top tube was missing part of the letter before clear coat 
> was applied. They also sent LOTS of stickers that included some of the new 
> Halloween characters in an envelope that someone had written “Happy 
> Halloween” on. Very cool folks over there.
> [image: IMG_0375.jpeg]
> On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 11:52:51 AM UTC-4 Jakob wrote:
>
>> For international (across continents) shipping, those rates seem actually 
>> really reasonable.
>>
>> All the frames I remember getting shipped from US -> Germany were more 
>> than $300 for shipping. I wonder if Blue Lug has a special agreement with 
>> Rivendell and gets the frames directly from Taiwan. (Would certainly save 
>> them money and reduce environmental pollution...)
>>
>> The main disadvantage ordering from Blue Lug is that you can't use a 
>> presale, if you really want a specific frame. And you're relying on them 
>> actually offering it for international customers. I guess frames that sell 
>> really well in Japan won't end up there.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jakob
>>
>> PS: Congrats Mike
>>
>> On Tuesday 29 October 2024 at 23:54:35 UTC+1 Mike Rossi wrote:
>>
>>> My platypus frame set came today. Here’s the timeline:
>>> October 26 9:00 p.m. EST order placed
>>> October 27 2:30 a.m. EST confirmation on order shipped
>>> October 29 4:00 p.m. EST frame set arrived
>>> There were no duties/taxes/VAT’s or whatever, BUT, Blue Lug doesn’t add 
>>> sales tax, so I have to go back through my account at the end of every year 
>>> to add up all my purchases for state taxes. Also, shipping was kind of high 
>>> at $187. And had I waited a few days I could have gotten the frame set 
>>> cheaper, as they have decreased the price slightly. Now it’s time to hose 
>>> down the inside of this frame with some boeshield and chase the bottom 
>>> bracket shells! [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Feliks Ulvåen Isaksen  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Blue Lug seem to have gotten a huge amount of frames in the recent 
>>> drops. For my fellow European Rivheads, for framesets, shipping is very 
>>> likely cheaper and faster if you purchase from Blue Lug rather than from 
>>> Rivendell directly. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday 28 October 2024 at 22:19:52 UTC+1 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Please do update us of any additional tarriffs/fees/taxes you paid to 
 receive the frame from Japan! 

 If someone is interested in a 55cm purple Platypus frame (near Los 
 Angeles) you are welcome to e-mail me directly.

 On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 10:30:37 AM UTC-7 Mike Rossi wrote:

> I’m so surprised to see that Blue Lug have the Platypus frames 
> available in both colors and all sizes! They even have the Appaloosas in 
> both colors and all sizes, including 46cm. I just got confirmation on my 
> 55cm in mermaid. I had been collecting components all summer waiting on 
> the 
> Rivendell sale and was disappointed when they said they would only be 
> offering completes. And those sold out faster than I could decide if that 
> would be an option for me. Now I’m just hoping the frame ships as fast as 
> all my other orders from them have. 
> Too excited.
> Had to post.
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[RBW] Re: WTB tosco bar

[abraham nussbaum]

The list delivereth! Thank you, all, the handlebars have been found.

On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 2:32:58 PM UTC-7 abraham nussbaum wrote:

> Anyone have a 25.4mm/600mm Tosco bar taking up space in their parts bin? 
>
> Tosco Curious in Denver
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

[ascpgh]

I do not have the fastidiousness of circumstance or habit to keep my bikes 
that nice. 

Not that I abuse them, I definitely think I'm a bike owner that keeps bikes 
a long time but depend on them to deliver what I expect and sometimes the 
margins blur.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

 

On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 7:25:00 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

>
> Here goes beauty Toyo RAM, exquisite JB paint. Like new tho now age 
> 20–pristine thanks to my affectations…despite thousands of satisfying 
> kilometers. I draw special joy in taking care of my bicycles, like a 
> concert pianist might his favorite piano. Play it hard but make it sound 
> soft and sweet. I’m not a pianist but I take care as if I were. 
>
> It’s a gift that makes me blush every time we get together. 
>
> JD
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2024 at 3:30 PM dougP  wrote:
>
>> PS: the current Atlantis design rides better than mine. But it's just a 
>> bike, after all. I wouldn't stress about who built it if it's a Rivendell.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 3:27:54 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> I bought my Atlantis in '03. One time, another Atlantis owner asked if 
>>> mine had "roundy lugs or pointy lugs". Don't know if that IDs the builder. 
>>> I figure if it's good enough for Grant it's good enough for me. 20+ years 
>>> of loaded touring in all sorts of conditions & sometimes minimal 
>>> maintenance, & the bike is still going strong. It has been abused enough 
>>> that I had it repainted a few years back. It was way beyond "beausage".
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 To Mathias' note  I would suggest that Richard Sachs, Mark Nobillette 
 and Joe Starck were the most notable early builders.. along with but ahead 
 of Waterford.  But I suggest that mostly because doing so  illustrates a 
 point:  that there's a lot of subjective measure as to what or whos is 
 "better."

 As the others note, Grant has always been very adamant that all of 
 Rivendell's "factories" are equally good, so who are we to challenge that. 
  
 As the others state, having Toyo make larger batches was just one step in 
 a 
 continuous and ongoing process of trying to keep the bikes affordable.

 All that said, and since I own a couple of Toyo-built models, I like to 
 IMAGINE that they have some special magic.  If you can find the Reader 
 article, it is pretty interesting.  I want to say mid 40s in issue no.  
 The 
 biggest thing, if I remember correctly, was the amount of experience and 
 expertise the builders had.  There were several "tiers" of craftsmen, with 
 the most important work being left to the seniors.  (Or do zI have this 
 mixed up with Nitto??!  Maybe both?) They were/are true craftsmen, seeing 
 brazing as a calling and lifetime career, and multi-generational in some 
 cases. In theory, experience keeps someone from over-heating a tube, or 
 impropperly filling a joint, and "could" make a stronger and prettier 
 frame.  In practice, it probably doesn't make much difference. I don’t 
 know 
 if there's room or appreciation for that level of craftsmanship in the 
 world anymore.  I bought the Japanese Steel coffee table book from Riv.  
 It 
 is nice to think about a time when that culture DID exist. 

 There were other, minordetails that only an overly obsessed bike geek 
 would care about, like: subtlely s-shaped chainstays on the Atlantis;  
 graceful, double-taper seat stays on the Rambouillet; and artfully thinned 
 edges on the lugs of the Saluki.  Many of the high-quality steel tubes 
 that 
 era are no longer made, but I don't know if they were superior or not.  
 Tubing manufacture and metalurgy is a huge rabbit hole to jump into, if 
 someone was interested.  Grant has always shunned the ultra-lite, exotic 
 tubes in favor of durability, anyway.  One other interesting thought is 
 that, in that era, the frames were 100% brazed (maybe with the exception 
 of 
 canti posts).  So a damaged tube or stay could theoretically be replaced 
 with greater ease.

 All the design refinements manifested in the newer models certainly 
 out-weigh any artisan touches of the old models.  Some day, when China 
 takes Taiwan, we're all going to wax nostalgic about what we have now!



 On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 11:18:18 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> As covered, Toyo was used to build Rivendell batch frames for a period 
> when it was more cost-effective than building stateside at Waterford, but 
> a 
> couple years later exchange rates made it not as economically viable to 
> have frames made in Japan anymore so they started working with Maxway in 
> Taiwan. The quality is very similar across all three, the tubing is 
> essentially the same, but there is a

Re: [RBW] Re: Keeping Saddlesack still on rear rack

[Michael Ullmer]

I've had great success with keeping my large saddlesack secure using a long 
Voile Strap looped through the holes in the leather attached to the 
underside.

On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 6:18:18 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Ah, understood — that your scuff-patch is “aftermarket” explains the color 
> difference.
>
> But my handicraft skills, including sewing, and minimal, and I’d not want 
> to mar a nice Saddlesack with my clumsy attempts at alteration. At most, 
> I’d think of sewing on underside loops to attach a strap to. But in the 
> event, I think I can work an Irish strap between the 2 rivets mentioned, 
> and a single strap will suffice to steady the bag.
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 10:35 PM iamkeith  wrote:
>
>> I was thinking this could give you ideas for a configuration for adding a 
>> patch.  The mis-matched color is a good reminder that any old random scrap 
>> of canvas/leather/naugahyde/etc will work.The loops, in this case, are 
>> only the two at the back, and were sandwiched between the bag and wear 
>> patch.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Scam? [fixed hub convertible form.]

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Your Free "Is This a Scam?" Checklist:

- You make a WTB / WTT post.
- You receive a direct message
- You check the sender's name against "Members"
- "Not a member"? = SCAM

- Jim / list admin


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[RBW] ISO fknel (Frank)

[G.E.]

If you see this, I've been responding to your emails about the HHH, but I 
don't think you are receiving them. I'm not sure you'll see this if emails 
aren't getting through to you, but I'm taking a shot. Apologies to everyone 
else... I'm just not sure how else to get in touch.

This is what the web says to try if you're not getting messages:

   - *Check your email client settings*: If you're using a third-party 
   email client, like Outlook or the Mail app on your phone, make sure the 
   "Keep email on server" setting is enabled. 
   - *Check your email filters*: Filters can accidentally send emails to 
   spam or another folder. You can review and delete any filters that might be 
   blocking emails. 
   - *Check your server settings*: POP and IMAP settings are handled by 
   external programs, so there could be a typo in the configuration or an 
   outdated connection method. 
   - *Update your email app*: If you're using a third-party email app, 
   update it to the latest version. 
   - *Reset your AOL Mail password*: Remove and re-enter your AOL Mail 
   password in the email client. 
   - *Reset your browser*: If you're still having issues, you can try 
   resetting your browser. 
   - *Restore deleted emails*: If you accidentally deleted an email, you 
   can restore it from the Trash folder. 
   

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[RBW] Re: Scam? [fixed hub convertible form.]

[G.E.]

Good to know! I've also received strange messages like this, but didn't 
respond because it was too off. Good to know this though, so thank you Jim.

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Jeff - 
>
> I've posted about this a few times, but as a reminder:
>
> - If someone is not a list member they cannot see your email address and 
> would have difficulty contacting you directly.
> - If someone has contacted you directly offering an item you seek, best 
> practice is to check if they are a list member.
> - In this case, there is no one with that user name (and only one user 
> with an "@proton.me" account).
> - That means that someone has joined the group and quietly ID'ing folks 
> who post WTT / WTB, then contacting them from another account.
> - I have no ability to ID a non-list member (and since that account is not 
> a list member, I cannot ban them)
>
> Best practice = Check the name/email  - you can search generally in 
> Conversations. If they don't show up, assume it is a scam. 
>
>
> Jim / list admin (only one... no "mods" in this group other than me)
>
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 6:11:09 AM UTC-8 jeff.ze...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I received this same email regarding a seatpost I was looking for. Seems 
>> like a scam. I didn't respond but maybe mods can now block this user?
>>
>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 5:43:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> This was sent to me offlist. I don’t recognize “steelcore70” and I 
>>> expect this is a scam because of the illiterate composition and absence of 
>>> particulars.
>>>
>>> But I need a bit of vicarious excitement so I thought I’d raise the 
>>> matter on-list and perhaps eve reply to the sender to see what happens. 
>>>
>>> No, I’m not going to send money.
>>>
>>> At least this brings “steelcore70” to the list’s attention.
>>>
>>> Your (plural) thoughts?
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, still waiting to hear about the cash I wired to the 
>>> Nigerian prince.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: steelcore70 
>>> Date: Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 3:32 PM
>>> Subject: fixed hub convertible form.
>>> To: bert...@gmail.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Patrick how are you dong ? I have the... fixed hub  convertible 
>>> form. which im willing to 
>>>
>>> part with ...with a fair price in a great condition ... where are you 
>>> located ? i would love to 
>>>
>>> know  if you still in interested im going to send you a picture of your 
>>> request on your response ... 
>>> Be safe .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>>> services
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>>
>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>>
>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

[Johnny Alien]

I think a lot of the elevated appreciation of Toyo built frames has more to 
do with the classic designs of the era more than the actual factory.

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:17:22 AM UTC-5 Christian Santa wrote:

> If you're curious to see the Toyo Factory and its history, watch the below 
> YouTube link I happened to come across as I researched this topic several 
> weeks ago. It's not directly Rivendell related, but they do mention how 
> they used to build other brands and how they've evolved. It's an 
> interesting watch if you're a visual type of person and a fellow Toyo owner 
> like myself. 
>
> https://youtu.be/EajhYjSUxaU?si=8f4OFH9yBvd5yk2Q
>
> -Christian Santa
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 7:15:58 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> The Toyo article is in Reader #31.
>>
>> https://notfine.com/rivendell/
>>
>> I can see how I romanticized my recollection of it.  I don't think 
>> they're the ones who reserved certain tasks for elder artisans.  They're a 
>> company like many, who train employees in their methods and culture, and 
>> hope they'll be around to continue in the future.
>>
>> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 11:41:12 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Toyo built Romulus, a Bleriot which I believe was made by 
>>> Maxway, a Riv custom built by Curt Goodrich, and an Appaloosa which I guess 
>>> is probably made by  Maxway as well. I can't really differentiate the 
>>> quality of the lugwork and paint between the three factory-built frames, 
>>> it's fine on all of them, as is the handling. The custom feels the nicest, 
>>> particularly over indifferent road surfaces, but then the tubing sizes and 
>>> gauges were chosen to suit a rider of my 63Kg weight, whereas the factory 
>>> frames have to be built to potentially cope with much heavier riders - when 
>>> I had the custom built, I also specified that it wouldn't be loaded with 
>>> anything more than required for day tours, so it didn't have to be built to 
>>> potentially cope with carrying a heavy touring load.
>>>
>>> Nick Payne
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Scam? [fixed hub convertible form.]

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Jeff - 

I've posted about this a few times, but as a reminder:

- If someone is not a list member they cannot see your email address and 
would have difficulty contacting you directly.
- If someone has contacted you directly offering an item you seek, best 
practice is to check if they are a list member.
- In this case, there is no one with that user name (and only one user with 
an "@proton.me" account).
- That means that someone has joined the group and quietly ID'ing folks who 
post WTT / WTB, then contacting them from another account.
- I have no ability to ID a non-list member (and since that account is not 
a list member, I cannot ban them)

Best practice = Check the name/email  - you can search generally in 
Conversations. If they don't show up, assume it is a scam. 


Jim / list admin (only one... no "mods" in this group other than me)


On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 6:11:09 AM UTC-8 jeff.ze...@gmail.com wrote:

> I received this same email regarding a seatpost I was looking for. Seems 
> like a scam. I didn't respond but maybe mods can now block this user?
>
> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 5:43:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> This was sent to me offlist. I don’t recognize “steelcore70” and I expect 
>> this is a scam because of the illiterate composition and absence of 
>> particulars.
>>
>> But I need a bit of vicarious excitement so I thought I’d raise the 
>> matter on-list and perhaps eve reply to the sender to see what happens. 
>>
>> No, I’m not going to send money.
>>
>> At least this brings “steelcore70” to the list’s attention.
>>
>> Your (plural) thoughts?
>>
>> Patrick Moore, still waiting to hear about the cash I wired to the 
>> Nigerian prince.
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: steelcore70 
>> Date: Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 3:32 PM
>> Subject: fixed hub convertible form.
>> To: bert...@gmail.com 
>>
>>
>> Hello Patrick how are you dong ? I have the... fixed hub  convertible 
>> form. which im willing to 
>>
>> part with ...with a fair price in a great condition ... where are you 
>> located ? i would love to 
>>
>> know  if you still in interested im going to send you a picture of your 
>> request on your response ... 
>> Be safe .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Brian Forsee]

Any listers in MD wanna facilitate buying and shipping that clem ^^ to me 
in MO?

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 10:19:32 AM UTC-6 Chris Law wrote:

>
> https://easternshore.craigslist.org/bop/d/easton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frameset/7798547012.html
>
> Awesome deal on a Clem in MD. If I didn't buy one recently I'd be 
> road-tripping this weekend.. 
>
> On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 10:53:06 AM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> A Sam and Roadini in Ventura, look to be 57cm or so. 
>>
>>
>> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/ventura-fresh-rivendell-samh-roadini/7797905946.html
>>
>> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-7 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Homer 53 or 54 frame in Indianapolis. No affiliation.
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1254176829094505/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A29050bb5-6bac-4784-82f8-0942b2624cf2
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 9:14:09 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hillborne
 Bronze green, 51cm 
 $4,500!

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/405311264062

 Really frustratingly bad photos and description but looks like a nice 
 clean bike overall. 

 On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 jerry...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Not mine, no affiliation...
> Rivendell Roadini Frameset 61cm - $800 (willow glen / cambrian)
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bop/d/san-jose-rivendell-roadini-frameset-61cm/7795327387.html
> [image: 01234567.jpg]
>
>
> On Monday 21 October 2024 at 06:34:19 UTC-7 Oliver Moss wrote:
>
>> There are some Riv shirts on RadBazaar as well. A little pricey for 
>> shirts in my opinion, but if you're looking for one...
>
>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 8:10:40 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> I remember seeing that red Roscoe Platypus for sale on IG a long 
>>> time ago by the same seller. Cool bike that inspired my poor-woman’s 
>>> Rosco 
>>> Hardrock build. (Squint hard)
>>> Anyhow surprised it’s still available. 
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2024, at 16:18, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>> Fried Cheezus.  That canti-ROM complete is a very good deal.  
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay who already has a 59cm Romulus in El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 6:04:08 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>>>
 Rad Bazaar Riv Roundup:
 59cm Canti Romulus 
 

 60cm Orange Sam(centerpull) 
 

 50cm Red Rosco Plat 
 

 On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 1:52:00 PM UTC-4 Steve Theberge 
 wrote:

> Hi all,
> No affiliation, but i just came across this Joe Appaloosa listed 
> on western Mass craigslist. Too small for me but looks sweet!
>
> https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/northampton-rivendell-appaloosa-51cm/7789700258.html
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I'm sure you're right. I also didn't read that it was repainted 
>> before I posted it. Still a cool bike. 
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I doubt this 62 cm Betty Foy has 26 inch wheels as stated in the 
>>> listing. My smaller frame Betty Foy is a 58 cm frame (to become the 
>>> 55 cm 
>>> frame in later iterations) and has 650 B wheels. 
>>>
>>> Geometry comes via a two-year-old post from Garth:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/4331eca7079dc/original_geometry.pdf?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrFFKgvCHmJ0FadrC-q-C57p5mVbVHow-EhbZ95aNCvAXR8N2OY8Y3-1t50mB8YqWorf1xFZaYCqLIKLVa7Wm-C-fmU8rQbcZvFW4zEBGyau32r8ZEE
>>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 8:01:07 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 62 cm Foy, you don't see that every day. 

 https://cosprings.craigslist.org/bik/d/colorado-springs-rivendell-betty-foy/7787242415.html

 On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:16:52 PM UTC-4 EGNolan 
 wrote:

> No affiliation with either of these: 
>
> 55 cm Custom Road-ish Riv in CA: 
>
> https://monterey.craigslist.org/bik/d/monterey-rivendell-custom-road-55cm/7763735306.html
>
> 60cm Green Cheviot in NC
>
> https://asheville.craigslist.org/bik/d/asheville-rivendell-cheviot-60cm/96804

Re: [RBW] 135mm rear hub

[Jakob]

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're looking for exactly.

At least here in Germany you can get 135mm QR rear hubs easily. Many of 
them from Shimano. Ones with 36 holes are a little harder than 32 holes, 
but still pretty available.
Where it gets interesting is if you don't want it in black, or if you don't 
want to have a visible disc rotor mount. (I compromised about the latter 
for my Clem wheelset. It's always good to have components that you can use 
on different bikes anyway...)

Cheers,
Jakob 


On Saturday 2 November 2024 at 21:19:57 UTC+1 iamkeith wrote:

> Suzue appears to make an axle cap to convert their 130mm hubs to 135.  
> Merry Sales / SOMA has them in the US, if you can't find them in Europe.  
> (I guess it's possible that they had them made as an exclusive.)  Until I 
> read your question and started looking, I honestly had no idea this had 
> become so hard to find.  I think the bike industry is irrevocably broken.  
> Thank goodness for Rivendell and VO.
>
> Assuming you have the option, I'd suggest visiting bike co-ops, want-ads, 
> re-sellers, pawn shops, etc, and check out old mountain bikes from the late 
> 80s through early 00s.  There are millions of usable hub sets out there, 
> that can be had for a song.  (At least here in the States.)   Some of them 
> being extremely high end, quality pieces.  Even if you have to cut them out 
> of some old wheels, they could still be a bargain.
>
> On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 9:38:14 AM UTC-6 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> I think a 35h hub is going to be hard to find :).  36h and 135 is rare 
>> enough.
>>
>> Will near Boston
>>
>> On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Also Bitex has a nice large flange touring hub, 36 H silver and black.
>>>
>>> Steven Sweedler
>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 5:25 AM Cormac O'Keeffe  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I know that Rivendell, White Industries and Velo Orange all sell 135mm 
 rear hubs, but does anyone know of some places (ideally Europe) that sell 
 135mm 35H rear hubs? 
 Cheers,
 C

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Re: [RBW] Re: Scam? [fixed hub convertible form.]

[Jeff Zelevansky]

Got it. Thank you!On Nov 5, 2024, at 11:36 AM, G.E.  wrote:Good to know! I've also received strange messages like this, but didn't respond because it was too off. Good to know this though, so thank you Jim.On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 9:33:59 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:Jeff - I've posted about this a few times, but as a reminder:- If someone is not a list member they cannot see your email address and would have difficulty contacting you directly.- If someone has contacted you directly offering an item you seek, best practice is to check if they are a list member.- In this case, there is no one with that user name (and only one user with an "@proton.me" account).- That means that someone has joined the group and quietly ID'ing folks who post WTT / WTB, then contacting them from another account.- I have no ability to ID a non-list member (and since that account is not a list member, I cannot ban them)Best practice = Check the name/email  - you can search generally in Conversations. If they don't show up, assume it is a scam. Jim / list admin (only one... no "mods" in this group other than me)On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 6:11:09 AM UTC-8 jeff.ze...@gmail.com wrote:I received this same email regarding a seatpost I was looking for. Seems like a scam. I didn't respond but maybe mods can now block this user?On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 5:43:21 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:This was sent to me offlist. I don’t recognize “steelcore70” and I expect this is a scam because of the illiterate composition and absence of particulars.But I need a bit of vicarious excitement so I thought I’d raise the matter on-list and perhaps eve reply to the sender to see what happens. No, I’m not going to send money.At least this brings “steelcore70” to the list’s attention.Your (plural) thoughts?Patrick Moore, still waiting to hear about the cash I wired to the Nigerian prince.-- Forwarded message -From: steelcore70 Date: Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 3:32 PMSubject: fixed hub  convertible form.To: bert...@gmail.com Hello Patrick how are you dong ? I have the... fixed hub  convertible form. which im willing to part with ...with a fair price in a great condition ... where are you located ? i would love to know  if you still in interested im going to send you a picture of your request on your response ... Be safe .
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[RBW] Re: anyone know the ERD of the wheels on THIS era of clem smith jr?

[Dorothy C]

You don’t say what wheel size you have, but my first run Appa from 2016 
came with the same multi color nipple wheels as the Clem and they were Alex 
DM24. I did the same thing you are planning and had the LBS replace the Riv 
front hub with a Kasai dynacoil, although I later rebuilt it myself when I 
upgraded the Appa wheels to Velocity Atlas rims, which seemed almost 
identical in ERD, at least in the 26” size I had

On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 5:40:58 AM UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> While the ERD is listed in the Alex link included(if a DM24) in this 
> thread, I'd have to ask do you really want/need to dismantle a assumably 
> perfectly good working wheel ? I mean, is space and resouces so limited 
> that you can't build another wheel entirely ? 
>
> Hi, yes to both. 
>
> Thanks for the wisom re ERD and manufacturers inconsistencies.
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2024 at 4:10:14 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> While the ERD is listed in the Alex link included(if a DM24) in this 
>> thread, I'd have to ask do you really want/need to dismantle a assumably 
>> perfectly good working wheel ? I mean, is space and resouces so limited 
>> that you can't build another wheel entirely ? 
>>
>> Myself I don't take published ERD for granted so I measure it myself 
>> using two spokes and a digital caliper. Essentially this way 
>> https://www.parktool.com/en-us/blog/repair-help/determining-spoke-length-for-wheel-building
>>
>> There's no guarantee that every mfr measures ERD the same way, so 
>> measuring it yourself in a consistent way, with spokes installed as shown 
>> in the Park link, assures it will be consistently accurate. Also measure 
>> the hub. 
>>
>> Rims need not match, just as using a dynamo hub doesn't match whatever 
>> rear hub used. 
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 10:25:42 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dry curious? No. Silly autocorrect, *Very curious 🤔
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 10:23:46 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I can’t help with the ERD, but I’m dry curious what you used to stick 
 the headbadge. I think the double stick tape typically used is about a 
 sixteenth inch thick. If you go to the hardware store, ask for VHB outdoor 
 doublestick tape. That’s “very high bond”, and shouldn’t bump out the 
 badge 
 too much, and won’t ever let it go without some serious elbow grease. If 
 you’re in NYC, I’ll share some of my ample supply with you…
 -Kai


 On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 8:11:55 PM UTC-5 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

>
> I have this era of clem, with these wheels (multi colored nipples, 
> etc) and i don't personally know the ERD of the (front) rim, which I need 
> to add a dynamo hub to. 
>
> any chance someone does know it, having it done it themselves or 
> having someone else? 
>
> while i'm here, i hate what i've used to stick the head tube badge on, 
> and would like something thinner that allows the badge to properly wrap 
> around the head tube. does anyone know the exact product rivendell uses, 
> or 
> perhaps something different or better?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 135mm rear hub

[Will Boericke]

You can also get the Bitex touring hub from Brandon at BikeHubStore
.  He's great.

Will

On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 11:19 AM Jakob  wrote:

> I'm not quite sure I understand what you're looking for exactly.
>
> At least here in Germany you can get 135mm QR rear hubs easily. Many of
> them from Shimano. Ones with 36 holes are a little harder than 32 holes,
> but still pretty available.
> Where it gets interesting is if you don't want it in black, or if you
> don't want to have a visible disc rotor mount. (I compromised about the
> latter for my Clem wheelset. It's always good to have components that you
> can use on different bikes anyway...)
>
> Cheers,
> Jakob
>
>
> On Saturday 2 November 2024 at 21:19:57 UTC+1 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Suzue appears to make an axle cap to convert their 130mm hubs to 135.
>> Merry Sales / SOMA has them in the US, if you can't find them in Europe.
>> (I guess it's possible that they had them made as an exclusive.)  Until I
>> read your question and started looking, I honestly had no idea this had
>> become so hard to find.  I think the bike industry is irrevocably broken.
>> Thank goodness for Rivendell and VO.
>>
>> Assuming you have the option, I'd suggest visiting bike co-ops, want-ads,
>> re-sellers, pawn shops, etc, and check out old mountain bikes from the late
>> 80s through early 00s.  There are millions of usable hub sets out there,
>> that can be had for a song.  (At least here in the States.)   Some of them
>> being extremely high end, quality pieces.  Even if you have to cut them out
>> of some old wheels, they could still be a bargain.
>>
>> On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 9:38:14 AM UTC-6 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>> I think a 35h hub is going to be hard to find :).  36h and 135 is rare
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Will near Boston
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 7:34:31 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 Also Bitex has a nice large flange touring hub, 36 H silver and black.

 Steven Sweedler
 Plymouth, New Hampshire


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 5:25 AM Cormac O'Keeffe 
 wrote:

> Hi,
> I know that Rivendell, White Industries and Velo Orange all sell 135mm
> rear hubs, but does anyone know of some places (ideally Europe) that sell
> 135mm 35H rear hubs?
> Cheers,
> C
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[RBW] Re: Parts FS

[Johnny Alien]

I don't know who needs this information but those XTR V Brakes are legit 
the best V brakes ever made.

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:43:46 AM UTC-5 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> FS- All prices include shipping…except the bars
>
>
> XTR V Brakes - $125 (have all small parts)
>
> TRP Levers, black - $100
>
> VO 31.8 clamp, 80 Quill stem - $60
>
> PNW Drop Bars - $30, plus shipping
>
> Elkhorn Old Man Mountain Rack - $100
>
> Blue Lug Shark Pedals, silver - $80
>
> Black Tange used headset - $30
>
> Berthoud Galibier (Ti) with two tops (cork/black) & RandiJo Fabrications 
> cover - $250
>
>
> Can throw in the Nitto bar plug (single) or White Industries stem cap with 
> any purchase.
>
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
> image5.jpeg][image: image6.jpeg][image: image7.jpeg][image: 
> image8.jpeg][image: 
> image9.jpeg][image: image10.jpeg][image: image11.jpeg][image: 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [RBW] Re: New to me Joe App #BofurBike Ride Report

[Nathan Mattia]

A #BofurBike Brother!

Wow. Just AMAZING, Charlie. Where are you in the UK?

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 10:21:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_6042.jpeg]
>
> Can happily confirm the Appaloosa's adventure credentials from here in the 
> UK. It's a true do-it-all. 
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto R-50 Saddlebag Grip

[Michael Ullmer]

And sold

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 9:43:46 AM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Downsizing my collection of these grips from 3 to 2.
>
> $85 shipped in the US
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/PUeQB1YNhUWsfSgx5
>
> PM off-list
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
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Re: [RBW] Re: Scam? [fixed hub convertible form.]

[Patrick Moore]

A very effective and concise “anti-spamming" checklist.

I expected “steelcore” to be a scammer but found the scamming attempt
experience interesting enough to raise the matter, and I thought it might
be worth alerting others.

I’m still tempted to string “steelcore” on a bit, but I suppose the wise
thing is to just ignore him/her/it/they/them/whatthehell.

https://youtu.be/mBcY3W5WgNU

On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 9:25 AM Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:

> Your Free "Is This a Scam?" Checklist:
>
> - You make a WTB / WTT post.
> - You receive a direct message
> - You check the sender's name against "Members"
> - "Not a member"? = SCAM
>
> - Jim / list admin
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Drew Fitchette]

Another Clem on Ebay:

53cm Clem L 

 

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:25:34 AM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Any listers in MD wanna facilitate buying and shipping that clem ^^ to me 
> in MO?
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 10:19:32 AM UTC-6 Chris Law wrote:
>
>>
>> https://easternshore.craigslist.org/bop/d/easton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frameset/7798547012.html
>>
>> Awesome deal on a Clem in MD. If I didn't buy one recently I'd be 
>> road-tripping this weekend.. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 10:53:06 AM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> A Sam and Roadini in Ventura, look to be 57cm or so. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/ventura-fresh-rivendell-samh-roadini/7797905946.html
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-7 cfic...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Homer 53 or 54 frame in Indianapolis. No affiliation.

 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1254176829094505/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A29050bb5-6bac-4784-82f8-0942b2624cf2

 On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 9:14:09 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hillborne
> Bronze green, 51cm 
> $4,500!
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/405311264062
>
> Really frustratingly bad photos and description but looks like a nice 
> clean bike overall. 
>
> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 jerry...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Not mine, no affiliation...
>> Rivendell Roadini Frameset 61cm - $800 (willow glen / cambrian)
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bop/d/san-jose-rivendell-roadini-frameset-61cm/7795327387.html
>> [image: 01234567.jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday 21 October 2024 at 06:34:19 UTC-7 Oliver Moss wrote:
>>
>>> There are some Riv shirts on RadBazaar as well. A little pricey for 
>>> shirts in my opinion, but if you're looking for one...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 8:10:40 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 I remember seeing that red Roscoe Platypus for sale on IG a long 
 time ago by the same seller. Cool bike that inspired my poor-woman’s 
 Rosco 
 Hardrock build. (Squint hard)
 Anyhow surprised it’s still available. 

 On Oct 20, 2024, at 16:18, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

 Fried Cheezus.  That canti-ROM complete is a very good deal.  


 Bill Lindsay who already has a 59cm Romulus in El Cerrito, CA

 On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 6:04:08 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette 
 wrote:

> Rad Bazaar Riv Roundup:
> 59cm Canti Romulus 
> 
>
> 60cm Orange Sam(centerpull) 
> 
>
> 50cm Red Rosco Plat 
> 
>
> On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 1:52:00 PM UTC-4 Steve Theberge 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> No affiliation, but i just came across this Joe Appaloosa listed 
>> on western Mass craigslist. Too small for me but looks sweet!
>>
>> https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/northampton-rivendell-appaloosa-51cm/7789700258.html
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure you're right. I also didn't read that it was repainted 
>>> before I posted it. Still a cool bike. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>>

 I doubt this 62 cm Betty Foy has 26 inch wheels as stated in 
 the listing. My smaller frame Betty Foy is a 58 cm frame (to 
 become the 55 
 cm frame in later iterations) and has 650 B wheels. 

 Geometry comes via a two-year-old post from Garth:


 https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/4331eca7079dc/original_geometry.pdf?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrFFKgvCHmJ0FadrC-q-C57p5mVbVHow-EhbZ95aNCvAXR8N2OY8Y3-1t50mB8YqWorf1xFZaYCqLIKLVa7Wm-C-fmU8rQbcZvFW4zEBGyau32r8ZEE
>

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Drew Fitchette]

whoops, 52cm!

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 1:08:05 PM UTC-5 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> Another Clem on Ebay:
>
> 53cm Clem L 
> 
>  
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:25:34 AM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Any listers in MD wanna facilitate buying and shipping that clem ^^ to me 
>> in MO?
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 10:19:32 AM UTC-6 Chris Law wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://easternshore.craigslist.org/bop/d/easton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frameset/7798547012.html
>>>
>>> Awesome deal on a Clem in MD. If I didn't buy one recently I'd be 
>>> road-tripping this weekend.. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 10:53:06 AM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>>
 A Sam and Roadini in Ventura, look to be 57cm or so. 


 https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/ventura-fresh-rivendell-samh-roadini/7797905946.html

 On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-7 cfic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Homer 53 or 54 frame in Indianapolis. No affiliation.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1254176829094505/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A29050bb5-6bac-4784-82f8-0942b2624cf2
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 9:14:09 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hillborne
>> Bronze green, 51cm 
>> $4,500!
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/405311264062
>>
>> Really frustratingly bad photos and description but looks like a nice 
>> clean bike overall. 
>>
>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 jerry...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not mine, no affiliation...
>>> Rivendell Roadini Frameset 61cm - $800 (willow glen / cambrian)
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bop/d/san-jose-rivendell-roadini-frameset-61cm/7795327387.html
>>> [image: 01234567.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday 21 October 2024 at 06:34:19 UTC-7 Oliver Moss wrote:
>>>
 There are some Riv shirts on RadBazaar as well. A little pricey for 
 shirts in my opinion, but if you're looking for one...
>>>
>>>

 On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 8:10:40 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> I remember seeing that red Roscoe Platypus for sale on IG a long 
> time ago by the same seller. Cool bike that inspired my poor-woman’s 
> Rosco 
> Hardrock build. (Squint hard)
> Anyhow surprised it’s still available. 
>
> On Oct 20, 2024, at 16:18, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Fried Cheezus.  That canti-ROM complete is a very good deal.  
>
>
> Bill Lindsay who already has a 59cm Romulus in El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 6:04:08 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette 
> wrote:
>
>> Rad Bazaar Riv Roundup:
>> 59cm Canti Romulus 
>> 
>>
>> 60cm Orange Sam(centerpull) 
>> 
>>
>> 50cm Red Rosco Plat 
>> 
>>
>> On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 1:52:00 PM UTC-4 Steve Theberge 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> No affiliation, but i just came across this Joe Appaloosa listed 
>>> on western Mass craigslist. Too small for me but looks sweet!
>>>
>>> https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/northampton-rivendell-appaloosa-51cm/7789700258.html
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 I'm sure you're right. I also didn't read that it was repainted 
 before I posted it. Still a cool bike. 

 On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:

>
> I doubt this 62 cm Betty Foy has 26 inch wheels as stated in 
> the listing. My smaller frame Betty Foy is a 58 cm frame (to 
> become the 55 
> cm frame in later iterations) and has 650 B wheels. 
>
> Geometry comes via a two-year-old post from Garth:
>
>
> https://1350743562873748

Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[JAS]

Homer, 60cm
$2850
https://portland.craigslist.org/clk/bik/d/ridgefield-rivendell-homer-hilsen/7798239847.html

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 10:09:17 AM UTC-8 Drew Fitchette wrote:

> whoops, 52cm!
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 1:08:05 PM UTC-5 Drew Fitchette wrote:
>
>> Another Clem on Ebay:
>>
>> 53cm Clem L 
>> 
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:25:34 AM UTC-5 bmfo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any listers in MD wanna facilitate buying and shipping that clem ^^ to 
>>> me in MO?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 10:19:32 AM UTC-6 Chris Law wrote:
>>>

 https://easternshore.craigslist.org/bop/d/easton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-frameset/7798547012.html

 Awesome deal on a Clem in MD. If I didn't buy one recently I'd be 
 road-tripping this weekend.. 

 On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 10:53:06 AM UTC-4 Chris Halasz wrote:

> A Sam and Roadini in Ventura, look to be 57cm or so. 
>
>
> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/ventura-fresh-rivendell-samh-roadini/7797905946.html
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 7:36:10 AM UTC-7 cfic...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Homer 53 or 54 frame in Indianapolis. No affiliation.
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1254176829094505/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A29050bb5-6bac-4784-82f8-0942b2624cf2
>>
>> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 9:14:09 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hillborne
>>> Bronze green, 51cm 
>>> $4,500!
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/405311264062
>>>
>>> Really frustratingly bad photos and description but looks like a 
>>> nice clean bike overall. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4 jerry...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not mine, no affiliation...
 Rivendell Roadini Frameset 61cm - $800 (willow glen / cambrian)

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bop/d/san-jose-rivendell-roadini-frameset-61cm/7795327387.html
 [image: 01234567.jpg]


 On Monday 21 October 2024 at 06:34:19 UTC-7 Oliver Moss wrote:

> There are some Riv shirts on RadBazaar as well. A little pricey 
> for shirts in my opinion, but if you're looking for one...


>
> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 8:10:40 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:
>
>> I remember seeing that red Roscoe Platypus for sale on IG a long 
>> time ago by the same seller. Cool bike that inspired my poor-woman’s 
>> Rosco 
>> Hardrock build. (Squint hard)
>> Anyhow surprised it’s still available. 
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2024, at 16:18, Bill Lindsay  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fried Cheezus.  That canti-ROM complete is a very good deal.  
>>
>>
>> Bill Lindsay who already has a 59cm Romulus in El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 6:04:08 AM UTC-7 Drew Fitchette 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rad Bazaar Riv Roundup:
>>> 59cm Canti Romulus 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 60cm Orange Sam(centerpull) 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 50cm Red Rosco Plat 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 1:52:00 PM UTC-4 Steve Theberge 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,
 No affiliation, but i just came across this Joe Appaloosa 
 listed on western Mass craigslist. Too small for me but looks 
 sweet!

 https://westernmass.craigslist.org/bik/d/northampton-rivendell-appaloosa-51cm/7789700258.html

 On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 7:09:30 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> I'm sure you're right. I also didn't read that it was 
> repainted before I posted it. Still a cool bike. 
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 10:00:27 AM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>>
>> I doubt this 62 cm Betty Foy has 26 inch wheels as 

[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford A. Homer Hilsen 61cm

[Tyler Ryan]

I am also curious about PBH and saddle height. I am local(Tacoma).

On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 10:12:18 PM UTC-7 Tim Wood wrote:

> Love this build Josh. Do you mind sharing your pbh and saddle height as 
> pictured? 
>
> Thank you. 
>
> Tim
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:38:25 AM UTC-6 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello-
>>
>> Up for sale is my 2009 Waterford A. Homer Hilsen in a size 61. I would 
>> love to have a local-ish sale! The tires and chainring have around 100 
>> miles on them. I just re-cabled the bike with Jagwire Pro cables.
>>
>> Photo Album 
>> 
>>
>> *Here are the details:*
>>
>> *Price: *$2,000
>>
>> *Handlebar:* Nitto Noodle 44cm
>>
>> *Stem: *Nitto Pearl 9 (90mm)
>>
>> *Brake Levers: *TRP RRL Carbon
>>
>> *Bar Tape:* Berthoud leather
>>
>> *Seatpost:* Nitto S65 (250mm)
>>
>> *Saddle:* Berthoud Galibier Titanium
>>
>>
>> *Crank:* SRAM Red 130 bcd
>>
>> *Chainring: *Absolute Black CX 42t
>>
>> *Shifter: *Dura-Ace SL-BSR1 (front shifter also included)
>>
>> *Cassette: *SRAM XG-1199 10-42
>>
>> *Rear Derailleur: *GRX RD-RX812 (w/ BBInfinite Pulleys)
>>
>> *Brakes: *Paul Racer
>>
>> *Front Cable Hanger:* Paul Components
>>
>> *Bottom Bracket:* Chris King ThreadFit 24
>>
>> *Headset: *Chris King GripNut
>>
>> *Pedals: *Expedo M-Force 8 Ti (comes with new bearing kit)
>>
>>
>> *Rims:* Pacenti Forza Classico 28/28
>>
>> *Hubs: *White Industries T11
>>
>> *Spokes:* Sapim D-Light
>>
>> *Tires: *Ultradynamico Cave Race 42mm (~100 miles)
>>
>>
>> *Extras:* Berthoud 50mm Polished Fenders w/ flaps
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> [image: IMG_1320.JPG]
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Brooks B-17 Pre-Softened, GravelKing 43mm SS+

[Chris Halasz]

Brooks B-17 pre-softened, hardly used $100 shipped to the lower 48


700x43 GravelKing SS+ $30 shipped to the lower 48


Photos here 
. 


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[RBW] Foreign 2-wheelers: Chukudu

[Patrick Moore]

What do you do if you need to move retail-scale commercial loads but have
no technical skills beyond that of a peasant farmer,* no materials beyond
forest trees, nails, and vehicle small scrap, and no tools beyond a
machete, a hammer, and a home-made pry bar?

You make a chukudu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukudu

https://youtu.be/vJ9lFl3H6SE

They can carry more than a small truck: "the largest chukudus can carry up
to 800 kilograms (1,800 lb)."[9]
 My 1984
Citroen Acadiene with a 800 kg curb weight was rated for a 500 kg payload,
and the 602 cc flat twin at full chat got it up to 75 on a long straight
with howling tail wind).

The chukudu weighs only 150 lb or so, not much more than a double-top-tube
Rivendell. (Sorry, snipe snipe snipe.)

*Important qualification. Artisans in Kandahar and Peshawar back in the
‘70s when my father traveled there on US govt business could make up to
heavy anti-aircraft machine guns from scrap metal with bus axle barrels on
charcoal fires with hand tools. Cheap AK-47s and RPGs took over the trade.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford A. Homer Hilsen 61cm

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

This sold a while back. Apologies for not marking it as such.

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 2:05:06 PM UTC-8 trya...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am also curious about PBH and saddle height. I am local(Tacoma).
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 10:12:18 PM UTC-7 Tim Wood wrote:
>
>> Love this build Josh. Do you mind sharing your pbh and saddle height as 
>> pictured? 
>>
>> Thank you. 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:38:25 AM UTC-6 josh.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello-
>>>
>>> Up for sale is my 2009 Waterford A. Homer Hilsen in a size 61. I would 
>>> love to have a local-ish sale! The tires and chainring have around 100 
>>> miles on them. I just re-cabled the bike with Jagwire Pro cables.
>>>
>>> Photo Album 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *Here are the details:*
>>>
>>> *Price: *$2,000
>>>
>>> *Handlebar:* Nitto Noodle 44cm
>>>
>>> *Stem: *Nitto Pearl 9 (90mm)
>>>
>>> *Brake Levers: *TRP RRL Carbon
>>>
>>> *Bar Tape:* Berthoud leather
>>>
>>> *Seatpost:* Nitto S65 (250mm)
>>>
>>> *Saddle:* Berthoud Galibier Titanium
>>>
>>>
>>> *Crank:* SRAM Red 130 bcd
>>>
>>> *Chainring: *Absolute Black CX 42t
>>>
>>> *Shifter: *Dura-Ace SL-BSR1 (front shifter also included)
>>>
>>> *Cassette: *SRAM XG-1199 10-42
>>>
>>> *Rear Derailleur: *GRX RD-RX812 (w/ BBInfinite Pulleys)
>>>
>>> *Brakes: *Paul Racer
>>>
>>> *Front Cable Hanger:* Paul Components
>>>
>>> *Bottom Bracket:* Chris King ThreadFit 24
>>>
>>> *Headset: *Chris King GripNut
>>>
>>> *Pedals: *Expedo M-Force 8 Ti (comes with new bearing kit)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rims:* Pacenti Forza Classico 28/28
>>>
>>> *Hubs: *White Industries T11
>>>
>>> *Spokes:* Sapim D-Light
>>>
>>> *Tires: *Ultradynamico Cave Race 42mm (~100 miles)
>>>
>>>
>>> *Extras:* Berthoud 50mm Polished Fenders w/ flaps
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1320.JPG]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus 2024 frames

[Dorothy C]

It will come with a generic one-bolt seat post to tide you over, so perhaps 
you just need a saddle for now. They work best if you grease up the threads 
and underside of bolt head of the binder bolt, I’ve found. Less tendency to 
slip

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 8:21:08 AM UTC-8 isaako...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks you all for pointing me in the right direction! I purchased the 
> last green 57cm Appaloosa from blue lug and look forward to decking it with 
> the parts bin. It pays to be a hoarder; I've got it all save a 26.8 
> seatpost (xtr chromo is my pick, let's go ebay) and a b17. First Riv in the 
> books (maybe 4 retired/sold Bridgestones later)! 
>
> On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 12:33:55 PM UTC-7 Mike Rossi wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jakob. I’m always surprised at how fast items can get to me here 
>> on the east coast of the U.S. from Japan. When I order from California, UPS 
>> takes 8 days. Kudos to DHL.
>> Also, notice all the “Blue Lug” tape on my box. They took the frame out 
>> and prepped it (chased the bottom bracket shell threads and installed a 
>> 113mm Shimano bottom bracket). I removed the BB, as I have another 118mm 
>> that I’m installing. I’m leaving the headset alone, but I wouldn’t be 
>> surprised if I found out they faced the head tube. And, after checking the 
>> frame over with a fine toothed comb, the only “flaw” I found was the R in 
>> Rivendell in the top tube was missing part of the letter before clear coat 
>> was applied. They also sent LOTS of stickers that included some of the new 
>> Halloween characters in an envelope that someone had written “Happy 
>> Halloween” on. Very cool folks over there.
>> [image: IMG_0375.jpeg]
>> On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 11:52:51 AM UTC-4 Jakob wrote:
>>
>>> For international (across continents) shipping, those rates seem 
>>> actually really reasonable.
>>>
>>> All the frames I remember getting shipped from US -> Germany were more 
>>> than $300 for shipping. I wonder if Blue Lug has a special agreement with 
>>> Rivendell and gets the frames directly from Taiwan. (Would certainly save 
>>> them money and reduce environmental pollution...)
>>>
>>> The main disadvantage ordering from Blue Lug is that you can't use a 
>>> presale, if you really want a specific frame. And you're relying on them 
>>> actually offering it for international customers. I guess frames that sell 
>>> really well in Japan won't end up there.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jakob
>>>
>>> PS: Congrats Mike
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 29 October 2024 at 23:54:35 UTC+1 Mike Rossi wrote:
>>>
 My platypus frame set came today. Here’s the timeline:
 October 26 9:00 p.m. EST order placed
 October 27 2:30 a.m. EST confirmation on order shipped
 October 29 4:00 p.m. EST frame set arrived
 There were no duties/taxes/VAT’s or whatever, BUT, Blue Lug doesn’t add 
 sales tax, so I have to go back through my account at the end of every 
 year 
 to add up all my purchases for state taxes. Also, shipping was kind of 
 high 
 at $187. And had I waited a few days I could have gotten the frame set 
 cheaper, as they have decreased the price slightly. Now it’s time to hose 
 down the inside of this frame with some boeshield and chase the bottom 
 bracket shells! [image: image0.jpeg]

 Mike

 On Oct 29, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Feliks Ulvåen Isaksen  
 wrote:

 Blue Lug seem to have gotten a huge amount of frames in the recent 
 drops. For my fellow European Rivheads, for framesets, shipping is very 
 likely cheaper and faster if you purchase from Blue Lug rather than from 
 Rivendell directly. 



 On Monday 28 October 2024 at 22:19:52 UTC+1 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Please do update us of any additional tarriffs/fees/taxes you paid to 
> receive the frame from Japan! 
>
> If someone is interested in a 55cm purple Platypus frame (near Los 
> Angeles) you are welcome to e-mail me directly.
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 10:30:37 AM UTC-7 Mike Rossi wrote:
>
>> I’m so surprised to see that Blue Lug have the Platypus frames 
>> available in both colors and all sizes! They even have the Appaloosas in 
>> both colors and all sizes, including 46cm. I just got confirmation on my 
>> 55cm in mermaid. I had been collecting components all summer waiting on 
>> the 
>> Rivendell sale and was disappointed when they said they would only be 
>> offering completes. And those sold out faster than I could decide if 
>> that 
>> would be an option for me. Now I’m just hoping the frame ships as fast 
>> as 
>> all my other orders from them have. 
>> Too excited.
>> Had to post.
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Susie - Build Questions: BB Spindle and Centerlock Hubs

[Richard Rose]

Check out Bitex hubs. I stumbled into a set of wheels for my Gus & it has a Bitex rear - their touring hub. It’s been performing very well & gets recommended a lot by some highly regarded wheel builders. It is noisier than the Deore rear hub on my Clem.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 5, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Garrett K  wrote:Hey folks. I just got a lugged Susie and am gathering parts. Couple quick questions:1. 73mm BB, but what spindle length with a Riv Silver 38/24 double crankset?122.5?2. It's harder to find 135mm rear hubs for rim brakes these days. I found this out when building my Toyo Atlantis. I prefer the Deore T610 hubs, but cannot find them available. Any issue running centerlock hubs for a rim brake bike? Will probably go with the Deore M6000 rear hub and Alfine dynamo front hub (centerlock) and lace them to Cliffhangers. Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus 2024 frames

[Nick Payne]

On Wednesday 6 November 2024 at 3:21:08 am UTC+11 isaako...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks you all for pointing me in the right direction! I purchased the last 
green 57cm Appaloosa from blue lug and look forward to decking it with the 
parts bin. It pays to be a hoarder; I've got it all save a 26.8 seatpost 
(xtr chromo is my pick, let's go ebay) and a b17.


I found with my Appaloosa (a 2020 model) that the provided 26.8 seatpost 
was a slightly loose fit in the seat tube. By my vernier calipers the 
seatpost was correctly sized, and I tried a couple of other 26.8 seatposts 
I had with the same result, so the seat tube I.D. was slightly over spec. I 
bought a 27.0 Nitto S65 seatpost and reamed the seat tube so that post was 
an exact sliding fit.

NIck Payne

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Re: [RBW] New Susie - Build Questions: BB Spindle and Centerlock Hubs

[Garrett K]

Thanks for the info on the hubs. I think Analog cycles has those Bitex hubs 
too. Velocity has a 135mm rim brake hub as well, black only and a matching 
dynamo. I'll figure out a plan. 

Good to know a 122mm bb should work. I called Riv and they said a 122-123mm 
spindle should be good. 

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 6:05:15 PM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Garrett,
> If you don't mind ordering from the UK, I bought my bottom bracket from 
> Spa Cycles.
> TANGE LN-3922 Bottom Bracket (for 73mm MTB Shell) 122mm
> I installed it in my size 51 Gus Boots Wilsen together with a Riv 7 speed 
> rear cassette to increase the clearance of the chain from the tire.
> Here is the link.
>
> https://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?mode=search&search_in=mm&results_qty=50&results_order=rel&display_with_images=1&searchstr=TANGE+LN-3922+Bottom+Bracket&Submit=SEARCH
>
> I hope this helps.
> Best regards,
> Edgar Fausto
>
> On Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 9:55:24 AM UTC+8 Richard Rose wrote:
>
>> Check out Bitex hubs. I stumbled into a set of wheels for my Gus & it has 
>> a Bitex rear - their touring hub. It’s been performing very well & gets 
>> recommended a lot by some highly regarded wheel builders. It is noisier 
>> than the Deore rear hub on my Clem.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Garrett K  wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks. I just got a lugged Susie and am gathering parts. Couple 
>> quick questions:
>>
>>
>> 1. 73mm BB, but what spindle length with a Riv Silver 38/24 double 
>> crankset?
>> 122.5?
>>
>> 2. It's harder to find 135mm rear hubs for rim brakes these days. I found 
>> this out when building my Toyo Atlantis. I prefer the Deore T610 hubs, but 
>> cannot find them available. Any issue running centerlock hubs for a rim 
>> brake bike? Will probably go with the Deore M6000 rear hub and Alfine 
>> dynamo front hub (centerlock) and lace them to Cliffhangers. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: My Platypus has shipped!

[Menos Joven]

Congratulations. That looks great. Oh the adventures you’ll have…Thanks for 
sharing the photos and excitement of your NBD!

On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 4:24:19 PM UTC-8 michaelj...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_5773.jpeg]I expected to have to do a lot more work based on 
> how my Clem arrived. Brakes were pretty much set out of the box. The only 
> thing left is to check the limit screws. I’ll put a B67 or Flyer on it 
> tomorrow and do the final adjustments.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 5:59:18 PM UTC-5 Feldspar Palimpsest wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_5770.jpeg]
>>
>> Assembly begins tonight, or maybe tomorrow morning- I’m anxious to test 
>> ride it soon. It hit 76 today but it’ll be cooling down to more typical 
>> November in Michigan weather soon.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 6:43:35 PM UTC-5 Feldspar Palimpsest wrote:
>>
>>> There’ll be pictures of the whole process, no question.To answer your 
>>> question, I still have all of them. The Quickbeam is currently stripped 
>>> down while I decide whether to repaint it. It’s probably going to be sold, 
>>> as my knees like having low gears available at the shift of a lever.i 
>>> suspect climbing hills in that bike is what gave me a torn meniscus. 
>>> On Sunday, November 3, 2024 at 5:18:20 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Mike, 

 Congrats. When it comes in, hit us with some pictures. I'd love to see 
 a family picture with all of your Rivs. How many of the four do you still 
 own? 

 On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 4:52:38 PM UTC-4 michaelj...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I just received an email from Rivendell telling me that my Platy has 
> been shipped- or rather, that a shipping label has been printed. (This 
> will be my fourth Riv since 1999.) One of the newsletters said that they 
> expected to receive their container “around Halloween” so I would guess 
> this is one of the first shipped. 
>
> Have any other incipient Platypus owners received their notice?
>
> Mike
>


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