[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Dan]

Looks like Riv updated the store page with a full description of the 
production version of the Gallop.
They cover everything, from the top tube and brake changes, tubing, sizing 
with various bars and whether you should buy one for your girlfriend ha!
I always enjoy reading the descriptions, and it looks like a fun bike. It's 
certainly unique! I hope they do well.
https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-charlie-gallop 

They've also updated the full geometry chart, including now the lugged 
Roadini and the 2025 Atlantis... *eye emoji*
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometries_10162024.pdf?v=1729114939

On Saturday 18 May 2024 at 03:24:47 UTC+9:30 arti...@gmail.com wrote:

> The design decision for the straight top tube unfortunately killed my 
> interest in the frame. What a pity (for me)…
>
> On Saturday 9 September 2023 at 20:37:51 UTC+2 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Veering ever-so-slightly off topic, and apologies to those who don't have 
>> facebook, but check out the bike in this video:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1148753762570679?mibextid=9drbnH
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Paul Moon Units

[exliontamer]

Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality of 
Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a $60 
shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also it 
seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Parts FS

[Andrew Joseph]

Thanks Alan!Sending you an email now.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 17, 2024, at 1:39 AM, alan lavine  wrote:Not sure if PM went through, but I’ll go for the bags.Thanks Alan NYC On Wednesday, October 16, 2024 at 1:09:29 PM UTC+2 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:Remaining itemsParts FS: All prices shipped within CONUS57 Sam Hillborne HiHo Silver frameset - $1300Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires 700 x 44s, Endurance casing, set up tubeless for less than 200 miles - $125 Surly Extraterrestrial 29 x 2.5 tires/tubes - $100Velo Orange 31.8 clamp, 80 quill stem - $80Brown B17 - $100PNW drop bar - $60Nitto Albatross bar - $70Blue Lug Shark pedals - $80Carradice & VO Bags - $80 for all threeTumbleweed Persuader alloy bars - $100Grand Bois Filet Brazed Stem (60), 26.0 - $150Riv Nitto Lugged Stem (80), 26.0 - $120Crust Simple seatpost 27.2 - $30Black 26.8 seatpost - $30TRP Drillium levers - $100Sent from my iPhone



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[RBW] Re: Advice on Cantilever Brake Swap for Atlantis with Wider Rims

[Garth]

Given the parameters given by Wes, simply getting a current V-brake like a 
Deore version would be easiest, as they are made with wider rims in mind. 
XTR's were designed when mtb rims and spacing was more narrow than what 
came along later. 

Given the mechanic is competent and by the photo given, the pads appear 
already as close as they are going to go, and 1 or 2mm wouldn't make a 
difference anyways as the problem is the basic geometry of the brakes 
themselves. The arms are straight, whereas the Deore for example, the arms 
are curved so the pad fits close to the rim yet the arms won't interfere 
with the tire. If Wes isn't the one working on the bike as appears the 
case, that's where my suggestion of another V-brake like a Deore rests as 
it would appear to be most simple and direct. The mechanic may or may not 
be competent with cantilevers as they come in many varieties that require 
different skills per given brake. Myself I can't help but praise to this 
day the very first canti I ever used and saw on my then new '83 
Stumpjumper, and still use today on the Bombadil, the Shimano BR-MC70. 
These are commonly sold on ebay and various used parts outlets in various 
conditions for usually reasonable prices. Do inspect photos closely, and 
don't overpay for them. I know nothing of Paul brakes as I've never had 
issues with power on any canti I've used. 
On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 1:05:41 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> [image: 3226502305_677100d817.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, October 16, 2024 at 11:04:16 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Repeating what others have already said: make sure you're taken advantage 
>> of the full range of adjustment available from shifting spacers and 
>> spherical washers, first.  The attached diagram from Kool Stop is 
>> informative.
>>
>> If you do decide to switch to cantis, one thing to know is that the shape 
>> of Paul neo retros actually does not work that well with unusually wide 
>> rims.  ( Or unusually narrow boss spacing - which  is an approximate 
>> standard that's increased over the years.) Compare the neo retro to the Dia 
>> Compe 980, which is similar.  If you draw an imaginary line through the 
>> center of the pivot, where it bolts to the boss, and parallel to the face 
>> of the arm where the pads attach, and then measure the perpendicular 
>> distance between those two lines, you'll see what I mean.  The pad mounting 
>> face on the Paul brakes is offset toward the rim pretty substanially.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Garth]

I can't speak to a Moon Unit but I have used a wider cable carrier and it 
offered nothing over the basic Dia-Compe style ones. More effectiive for 
the front at least is a Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stop. They can be 
used in the rear of your bike has no cable stop, use the correct mounting 
bolt, and the geometry is right. 

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 6:48:41 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> They are a lot easier to set up -- it's a lot easier to tighten the cable 
> with the fixed bolt. They're wider than most carriers, which translates 
> into a bit more leverage  (or mechanical advantage) , which "might" be good 
> with certain aero brake levers (making sure you have enough lever pull), 
> but it is not really that wide, and adjusting the straddle cable height up 
> or down will in most cases have more impact on the amount of mechanical 
> advantage. 
>
> I do have a set with Suntour XC Pro Cantilevers on my Toyo Atlantis -- 
> they're nice and worthwhile, but I got mine for about $25 used, so... 
> :) 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:06:32 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality of 
>> Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a $60 
>> shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also it 
>> seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
>> main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
>> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Orange Protovelo Charlie Gallop

[Johnny Alien]

Thanks to Dan in another thread for providing the link to the full geometry 
chart from Rivendell. I will post it below. Riv says that despite design 
changes the geometry remains the same so you can look at the 49mm frame 
here. Mine is 50mm but based on my effective reach measurement (which I am 
proud to say was pretty right on) I think its essentially the same. What 
you get vs the new one: v brake/canti mounts which equals way more tire 
clearance and way more brake choices. I will include shipping for the $2000

On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 12:43:17 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Also of note it has 650B wheels vs 700C for the other proto sizes. The 
> wheel and tire info would imply that but I wanted to be clear about the 
> info I have.
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 12:41:55 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Looks like that is around 570 which is a bit longer than the Roadini but 
>> that makes sense as its designed for sweptback. I can see if I can get 
>> anything more official from Rivendell too.
>>
>> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 11:10:08 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Johnny, 
>>>
>>> Not in the market myself but folks might like to know the effective 
>>> toptube measurement, straight across from seatpost to headtube, C-to-C. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 5:51:55 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I apologize I don't think I knew there was another one that had the 
 headbadge. And there was a second small batch with a shallow swoop and 
 sidepulls. Those may have headbadges.

 More info on this one. There are no real marks or dings. Very clean. It 
 does not have a ton of miles because I do errands on my Clem more than 
 road 
 riding. I have had 48's on it with the mini-moto's and that fit fine but 
 you could not go higher. Moving to regular V's or cant's would allow you 
 to 
 get higher than that but I am not positive what the upper limit would be. 

 I am open to offers but not trades. Thanks!

 On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 11:16:45 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:

> [image: IMG_5030.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:15:38 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Such a GREAT bike, the swoop is classy but the canti studs that allow 
>> v-brakes are the major advantage of this prototype. I have the 55cm and 
>> can’t say enough great things about it. I had flared drop bars and those 
>> were excellent with mini-v-brakes (80mm arms) but it really shines with 
>> sweptback bars and v-brakes. 50mm tires and upside down albatross bars 
>> with 
>> inner bar ends for a in the hoods position, it’s phenomenal. I commute, 
>> weekend around rides on pavement and dirt for 20-40 miles, and did a 
>> very 
>> rainy Wine country Century on it this summer. A little flexy compared to 
>> a 
>> Cheviot, but also faster and as smooth a ride. Better than a Homer for 
>> roads, as competent as a Platypus in the dirt. Mine came as a triple but 
>> it’s a better fit for a double (;6-30) and 10 speed rear (11-40t). Love 
>> this bike, anyone this fits would be crazy not to get it. Though I’ll 
>> quibble and say mine also came with a Charlie head badge which is just 
>> awesome 
>> Abe
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Orange Protovelo Charlie Gallop

[Johnny Alien]

And then I for got 
it.https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometries_10162024.pdf?v=1729114939

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 9:00:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Thanks to Dan in another thread for providing the link to the full 
> geometry chart from Rivendell. I will post it below. Riv says that despite 
> design changes the geometry remains the same so you can look at the 49mm 
> frame here. Mine is 50mm but based on my effective reach measurement (which 
> I am proud to say was pretty right on) I think its essentially the same. 
> What you get vs the new one: v brake/canti mounts which equals way more 
> tire clearance and way more brake choices. I will include shipping for the 
> $2000
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 12:43:17 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Also of note it has 650B wheels vs 700C for the other proto sizes. The 
>> wheel and tire info would imply that but I wanted to be clear about the 
>> info I have.
>>
>> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 12:41:55 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like that is around 570 which is a bit longer than the Roadini but 
>>> that makes sense as its designed for sweptback. I can see if I can get 
>>> anything more official from Rivendell too.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 11:10:08 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Hi Johnny, 

 Not in the market myself but folks might like to know the effective 
 toptube measurement, straight across from seatpost to headtube, C-to-C. 

 On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 5:51:55 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I apologize I don't think I knew there was another one that had the 
> headbadge. And there was a second small batch with a shallow swoop and 
> sidepulls. Those may have headbadges.
>
> More info on this one. There are no real marks or dings. Very clean. 
> It does not have a ton of miles because I do errands on my Clem more than 
> road riding. I have had 48's on it with the mini-moto's and that fit fine 
> but you could not go higher. Moving to regular V's or cant's would allow 
> you to get higher than that but I am not positive what the upper limit 
> would be. 
>
> I am open to offers but not trades. Thanks!
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 11:16:45 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_5030.jpeg]
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:15:38 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> Such a GREAT bike, the swoop is classy but the canti studs that 
>>> allow v-brakes are the major advantage of this prototype. I have the 
>>> 55cm 
>>> and can’t say enough great things about it. I had flared drop bars and 
>>> those were excellent with mini-v-brakes (80mm arms) but it really 
>>> shines 
>>> with sweptback bars and v-brakes. 50mm tires and upside down albatross 
>>> bars 
>>> with inner bar ends for a in the hoods position, it’s phenomenal. I 
>>> commute, weekend around rides on pavement and dirt for 20-40 miles, and 
>>> did 
>>> a very rainy Wine country Century on it this summer. A little flexy 
>>> compared to a Cheviot, but also faster and as smooth a ride. Better 
>>> than a 
>>> Homer for roads, as competent as a Platypus in the dirt. Mine came as a 
>>> triple but it’s a better fit for a double (;6-30) and 10 speed rear 
>>> (11-40t). Love this bike, anyone this fits would be crazy not to get 
>>> it. 
>>> Though I’ll quibble and say mine also came with a Charlie head badge 
>>> which 
>>> is just awesome 
>>> Abe
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Julian Westerhout]

They are a lot easier to set up -- it's a lot easier to tighten the cable 
with the fixed bolt. They're wider than most carriers, which translates 
into a bit more leverage  (or mechanical advantage) , which "might" be good 
with certain aero brake levers (making sure you have enough lever pull), 
but it is not really that wide, and adjusting the straddle cable height up 
or down will in most cases have more impact on the amount of mechanical 
advantage. 

I do have a set with Suntour XC Pro Cantilevers on my Toyo Atlantis -- 
they're nice and worthwhile, but I got mine for about $25 used, so... 
:) 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 
On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:06:32 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality of 
> Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a $60 
> shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also it 
> seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
> main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Eric Marth]

I will never find it again but I read somewhere that Paul Price said the 
Moon Units don't work any better than other cable hangers, but they look 
cool. 

I gave up on them because they're too fancy and expensive, realizing a 
humble cable hanger is all you need. I still have a set on my Appaloosa. 

For the price of Moon Units I'd rather have some funky vintage hangers from 
Suntour or Mafac or those cool rollers Dia Compe used to make. 

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I can't speak to a Moon Unit but I have used a wider cable carrier and it 
> offered nothing over the basic Dia-Compe style ones. More effectiive for 
> the front at least is a Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stop. They can be 
> used in the rear of your bike has no cable stop, use the correct mounting 
> bolt, and the geometry is right. 
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 6:48:41 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> They are a lot easier to set up -- it's a lot easier to tighten the cable 
>> with the fixed bolt. They're wider than most carriers, which translates 
>> into a bit more leverage  (or mechanical advantage) , which "might" be good 
>> with certain aero brake levers (making sure you have enough lever pull), 
>> but it is not really that wide, and adjusting the straddle cable height up 
>> or down will in most cases have more impact on the amount of mechanical 
>> advantage. 
>>
>> I do have a set with Suntour XC Pro Cantilevers on my Toyo Atlantis -- 
>> they're nice and worthwhile, but I got mine for about $25 used, so... 
>> :) 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:06:32 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality 
>>> of Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a 
>>> $60 shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also 
>>> it seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
>>> main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
>>> Thanks!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Calvin / Park Tool - Rapid Rise derailleurs - new video

[J J]

The great Calvin at Park Tool did a video on Rapid Rise. Definitely worth 
five minutes of your time if you have any love for or interest in these 
fantastic derailleurs. 

His conclusion is interesting and ironic — as are his omissions. I won’t 
spoil anything here, but check it 
out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Frzlzs7w8

Jim

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[RBW] FS: One pair of 27.5/650B x 2.25 Schwalbe Racing Ralph tires

[Kim H.]

 I have a used pair of 27.5/650B x 2.25 Schwalbe Racing Ralph Evolution 
folding and tubeless tires for sale. The condition is very good.  I have 
had them on my Clem for six months with about 100 miles on them at best. I 
ran tubes with them, no slime. They have a lot of wear left on them. The 
reason why I am selling them is that I have moved on in using different 
tires. 

Pictures are here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZNscWxTckhuQVNp27

$70.00 or best offer, shipped in the CONUS.
Paypal payment please.

Kim Hetzel.


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[RBW] Re: FS: 50cm Orange Protovelo Charlie Gallop

[Johnny Alien]

I really apologize for having this bump up over and over. This shall be the 
last time I do so. I forgot that there is one more major difference with 
the proto version. The rear spacing is 135 vs 130 on the production version.

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 9:00:44 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> And then I for got it.
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometries_10162024.pdf?v=1729114939
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 9:00:12 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Thanks to Dan in another thread for providing the link to the full 
>> geometry chart from Rivendell. I will post it below. Riv says that despite 
>> design changes the geometry remains the same so you can look at the 49mm 
>> frame here. Mine is 50mm but based on my effective reach measurement (which 
>> I am proud to say was pretty right on) I think its essentially the same. 
>> What you get vs the new one: v brake/canti mounts which equals way more 
>> tire clearance and way more brake choices. I will include shipping for the 
>> $2000
>>
>> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 12:43:17 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Also of note it has 650B wheels vs 700C for the other proto sizes. The 
>>> wheel and tire info would imply that but I wanted to be clear about the 
>>> info I have.
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 12:41:55 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Looks like that is around 570 which is a bit longer than the Roadini 
 but that makes sense as its designed for sweptback. I can see if I can get 
 anything more official from Rivendell too.

 On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 11:10:08 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Johnny, 
>
> Not in the market myself but folks might like to know the effective 
> toptube measurement, straight across from seatpost to headtube, C-to-C. 
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2024 at 5:51:55 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I apologize I don't think I knew there was another one that had the 
>> headbadge. And there was a second small batch with a shallow swoop and 
>> sidepulls. Those may have headbadges.
>>
>> More info on this one. There are no real marks or dings. Very clean. 
>> It does not have a ton of miles because I do errands on my Clem more 
>> than 
>> road riding. I have had 48's on it with the mini-moto's and that fit 
>> fine 
>> but you could not go higher. Moving to regular V's or cant's would allow 
>> you to get higher than that but I am not positive what the upper limit 
>> would be. 
>>
>> I am open to offers but not trades. Thanks!
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 11:16:45 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_5030.jpeg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 13, 2024 at 8:15:38 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 Such a GREAT bike, the swoop is classy but the canti studs that 
 allow v-brakes are the major advantage of this prototype. I have the 
 55cm 
 and can’t say enough great things about it. I had flared drop bars and 
 those were excellent with mini-v-brakes (80mm arms) but it really 
 shines 
 with sweptback bars and v-brakes. 50mm tires and upside down albatross 
 bars 
 with inner bar ends for a in the hoods position, it’s phenomenal. I 
 commute, weekend around rides on pavement and dirt for 20-40 miles, 
 and did 
 a very rainy Wine country Century on it this summer. A little flexy 
 compared to a Cheviot, but also faster and as smooth a ride. Better 
 than a 
 Homer for roads, as competent as a Platypus in the dirt. Mine came as 
 a 
 triple but it’s a better fit for a double (;6-30) and 10 speed rear 
 (11-40t). Love this bike, anyone this fits would be crazy not to get 
 it. 
 Though I’ll quibble and say mine also came with a Charlie head badge 
 which 
 is just awesome 
 Abe



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Re: [RBW] New Yorker ran my letter to the editor re: The Art of Taking it Slow!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Caroline, I love this! The letter and the photos. You and Pam have famous 
Bettys. Any idea how many miles you’ve got on yours?

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Ask and ye shall receive! Transporting records / Picking up a full-length 
> mirror: https://imgur.com/a/XmExI9H 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Ron's Fabio's Chest on my Homer

[Eric Marth]

I really like this solution, Brendon! Thanks for sharing. 

Can't find a picture but this reminded me that in the past Ronnie suggested 
putting a piece of brake cable housing over the hanging part of the brake 
cable when running cantis. It works as a sleeve and prevents the bag from 
impeding the movement of the cable. 

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 4:15:32 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:

> My lightest most fuss free solution is to run a bootlace (a strap would 
> work too) from the stem to lamp holder or something else suitably sturdy. 
> It means I can take the bag on and off easily and there is plenty of room 
> for brakes and cables etc.
> [image: P1020345.JPG]
> On Thursday 17 October 2024 at 07:24:27 UTC+8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Same chest on my Appaloosa with a Nitto M1 rack. Running Paul cantilevers 
>> on this rig, rack helps keep the bag from interfering with the hanger. 
>>
>> [image: 231007 03 Appa porch.JPG]
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2024 at 7:17:06 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> For the love of Zeus, Nicholas, what a picture! 
>>>
>>> I've had no trouble running a Fab's Chest rackless on my 57cm Hillborne 
>>> with Paul mini-moto v-brakes installed. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2650.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 16, 2024 at 2:38:34 AM UTC-4 Donzaemon wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for all the replies everyone! Looks like a DIY pec dec or Rod 
 Steward’s the best (and probably only) solution.

 On Tuesday, October 15, 2024 at 10:46:52 AM UTC-7 J wrote:

> Bag is empty here but it still makes the point. There's 11.5 inches 
> from the base of the only front rack I have left, (Nitto 32f Campee? I 
> think) to the bottom of the handlebars.
>
> [image: DSCF3085.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2024 at 10:40:44 AM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> I have both a Rod Steward and a homebrew Pec Deck. I slightly prefer 
>> the Pec Deck — it plays a little nicer with my Tubus Tara low-rider 
>> front 
>> rack. Having said that, I think I’m going to replace the whole shebang 
>> with 
>> a Pass and Stow 3-rail rack and Bags by Bird Right Height custom 
>> handlebar 
>> bag.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2024, at 5:33 PM, Ty Graham  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Here’s a very non optimized setup using the fabs abs from ronsbikes 
>> modified with xl nitto rack struts from Rivendell. 
>> The xl struts give a lot of wiggle room to eventually get the fit you 
>> want. 
>> (Not a riv, but you get the idea)
>>
>> TyG
>> Seattle
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[RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Minh]

Eric do you mean these 
rollers?  
https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-parts/products/gran-compe-straddle-cable-hanger

i just upgrade to these, and i do like how it was a little easier to get 
the starting cable in, and you can remove the roller in case your straddle 
cable have ends already on them, but i dunno if it made any difference over 
the standard $1 dia compe carriers i was using before!  

the paul's look cool but i agree with others, not sure its enough of a 
difference to choose over standard options, but then again some choices we 
make on bike parts dont always make sense!

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:54:14 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I will never find it again but I read somewhere that Paul Price said the 
> Moon Units don't work any better than other cable hangers, but they look 
> cool. 
>
> I gave up on them because they're too fancy and expensive, realizing a 
> humble cable hanger is all you need. I still have a set on my Appaloosa. 
>
> For the price of Moon Units I'd rather have some funky vintage hangers 
> from Suntour or Mafac or those cool rollers Dia Compe used to make. 
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> I can't speak to a Moon Unit but I have used a wider cable carrier and it 
>> offered nothing over the basic Dia-Compe style ones. More effectiive for 
>> the front at least is a Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stop. They can be 
>> used in the rear of your bike has no cable stop, use the correct mounting 
>> bolt, and the geometry is right. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 6:48:41 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They are a lot easier to set up -- it's a lot easier to tighten the 
>>> cable with the fixed bolt. They're wider than most carriers, which 
>>> translates into a bit more leverage  (or mechanical advantage) , which 
>>> "might" be good with certain aero brake levers (making sure you have enough 
>>> lever pull), but it is not really that wide, and adjusting the straddle 
>>> cable height up or down will in most cases have more impact on the amount 
>>> of mechanical advantage. 
>>>
>>> I do have a set with Suntour XC Pro Cantilevers on my Toyo Atlantis -- 
>>> they're nice and worthwhile, but I got mine for about $25 used, so... 
>>> :) 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:06:32 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality 
 of Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a 
 $60 shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also 
 it seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
 main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
 Thanks!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] JiRe: Paul Moon Units

[dylan green]

Jitensha used to have some of theirs online but I'm not seeing them 
anymore. I'll look through my photos from the last time I was there. Really 
nice bits for sure. 

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:03:14 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:

> Eric do you mean these rollers?  
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/brake-parts/products/gran-compe-straddle-cable-hanger
>
> i just upgrade to these, and i do like how it was a little easier to get 
> the starting cable in, and you can remove the roller in case your straddle 
> cable have ends already on them, but i dunno if it made any difference over 
> the standard $1 dia compe carriers i was using before!  
>
> the paul's look cool but i agree with others, not sure its enough of a 
> difference to choose over standard options, but then again some choices we 
> make on bike parts dont always make sense!
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:54:14 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I will never find it again but I read somewhere that Paul Price said the 
>> Moon Units don't work any better than other cable hangers, but they look 
>> cool. 
>>
>> I gave up on them because they're too fancy and expensive, realizing a 
>> humble cable hanger is all you need. I still have a set on my Appaloosa. 
>>
>> For the price of Moon Units I'd rather have some funky vintage hangers 
>> from Suntour or Mafac or those cool rollers Dia Compe used to make. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I can't speak to a Moon Unit but I have used a wider cable carrier and 
>>> it offered nothing over the basic Dia-Compe style ones. More effectiive for 
>>> the front at least is a Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stop. They can be 
>>> used in the rear of your bike has no cable stop, use the correct mounting 
>>> bolt, and the geometry is right. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 6:48:41 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 They are a lot easier to set up -- it's a lot easier to tighten the 
 cable with the fixed bolt. They're wider than most carriers, which 
 translates into a bit more leverage  (or mechanical advantage) , which 
 "might" be good with certain aero brake levers (making sure you have 
 enough 
 lever pull), but it is not really that wide, and adjusting the straddle 
 cable height up or down will in most cases have more impact on the amount 
 of mechanical advantage. 

 I do have a set with Suntour XC Pro Cantilevers on my Toyo Atlantis -- 
 they're nice and worthwhile, but I got mine for about $25 used, so... 
 :) 

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 
 On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:06:32 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality 
> of Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a 
> $60 shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also 
> it seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was 
> my 
> main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
> Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: Calvin / Park Tool - Rapid Rise derailleurs - new video

[Pancake]

That was well worth it.Calvin is a funny and smart dude. Helpful and 
entertaining 5 minutes.

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> The great Calvin at Park Tool did a video on Rapid Rise. Definitely worth 
> five minutes of your time if you have any love for or interest in these 
> fantastic derailleurs. 
>
> His conclusion is interesting and ironic — as are his omissions. I won’t 
> spoil anything here, but check it out: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Frzlzs7w8
>
> Jim
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[RBW] Re: New Yorker ran my letter to the editor re: The Art of Taking it Slow!

[Roberta]

I was so excited to read this and it was so interesting to read. Thank you 
for taking the time to write it.

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 10:10:56 AM UTC-4 Caroline Golum wrote:

> [image: 75086164817__0A16A245-C8C9-4517-BBE3-842F57E5AE13.JPEG]
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[RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Philip Williamson]

I like moon units. I’ve got a set of green ones on my Quickbeam. They 
replaced the stock Shimano cabling. They don’t work any better, and I made 
sure the cable lengths matched the Shimano units. I wouldn’t trade them 
back. 

They are easy to manage, because you can tighten the cable bolts without 
twisting anything. They turn an unremarkable part of the bike into a nice 
statement. They are much heavier and much more expensive. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 12:06:32 AM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality of 
> Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a $60 
> shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also it 
> seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
> main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: The Spoiled-By-My-Rivendell Effect

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. There's a nice Bridgestone RB-1 I've been gazing upon - the proverbial 
"dream bike I couldn't afford when it was new" - and I realize I'll think 
it's swell but the riding position will be impossible. I already have bikes 
that work for me, Rivendell made them! 

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 6:56:25 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> A Common Occurrence
>
> Several rides go by on your beloved Rivendell, which likely boasts the 
> most upright and comfortable posture of all your bicycles: the perfect 
> balance of weight between sit bones and hands; the tall, erect posture that 
> affords a freedom of your neck to effortlessly glean every bit of curiosity 
> out of your surroundings; the swaying swoop of a turn, from left, to right, 
> and every which way in between, carrying your weight with such poise that 
> the phenomenon never seems to grow old.  
>
> But then, you ride one of your other bicycles. It has a handlebar 
> placement that is about level with your saddle, or even worse, *below. *This 
> was a bicycle that was exceptionally comfortable for you, perhaps even 
> defined the peak of comfort for several years of your finite cycling life. 
> As you ride it, you question, "Did something here change?" You look down at 
> this innocent, intricate pile of steel, wondering if some sort of mischief 
> took place since you last rode it. You ask yourself a variety of questions; 
> "Have there been this much weight in my hands this whole time? My back is 
> to be at this angle for every riding second? How do most people consider 
> *this* to be *very *upright?" Some miles go by and it slowly feels 
> familiar again, but something never feels quite right, no matter the 
> distance. Then it dawns on you.  
>
> The Spoiled-By-My Rivendell Effect 
>
> Thanks for reading,
> Armand* who-just-restored-his-road-bike-and-is-not-very-satisfied* 
> Kizirian 
> Santa Monica, CA
>
> [image: Photo Oct 14 2024, 16 59 20.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calvin / Park Tool - Rapid Rise derailleurs - new video

[Danny]

Thanks for the link, was an entertaining 5 minutes. Grant commented on the
video, including a potential timeline for the Riv RR derailer (6-10
months!).

Good vid, Calvin. I've been obsessed--maybe to a fault, maybe not--with RR
derailers since 2005 or so, about that last year Shimano made them. I don't
use them exclusively, because I have some perfectly working other derailers
(big fan of the Shimano Altus M310 here...and Acera, etc). I may be less
than 100 percent accurate with the timeline, but it's really close: Shimano
made these from about 1999 to 2005. Disraeli gears (good site) may
disagree, and I'd go with what he says. Shimano intro'd these to mtn bikes,
not road, figuring mtb riders would be more receptive. But (as I recall)
they intro'd it at the top levels--XTR, XT, LX, DEORE--and they couldn't
get racers to use it, for fear of shifting the wrong way on a climb or
something. And big mfrs were, for the most part, chicken to risk it.
Shimano made the "mistake" of offering it as the freaky option to its
normal derailers, and of course product mgrs opted for the normal ones. The
Shimano came out with a line of RR ders for hybrid bikes for rich old guys,
and that had no trickle-down effect, and probably even hurt them. But some
of those derailers are magnificent in function (of course, it's Shimano)
and value and looks. A few were super freak looking. My biz has bought all
we could of them--maybe 200--and sold them, but (as somebody mentions
below), we're working on "our own" version. Shimano won't remake it. I've
asked, but who am I, and all Shimano cares about is the gigantic cmpanies
spec'ing it, and they won't. So for 7 years now we've been plugging away,
contacting makers, working with others nobody has ever heard of, and
recently we've made a connection with a fairly famous maker. It's too early
to say where it'll go, but by mid Nov we'll have drawings, and if all goes
well, we'll have production in 6 months. In my experience, 6 months means
10 months, but whatever. There are lots of good normal derailers out there
now. Another PLUS of RR: If you ghost shift, you shift to the easier gear.
And both shifters move in the same direction for the same effect. Anyway--I
am saying all this stuff because it seems relevant to this topic, not to
promote my biz or to get. people jazzed on RR derailers. I am preemptively
trying to fend off criticism here. Seriously, all we're doing it trying to
resurrect a smart option from the past; not trying to kill off other
derailers, not saying you're dumb if you don't like RR derailers. Just
adding to the menu.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 7:44 PM Pancake  wrote:

> That was well worth it.Calvin is a funny and smart dude. Helpful and
> entertaining 5 minutes.
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 5:15:34 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>
>> The great Calvin at Park Tool did a video on Rapid Rise. Definitely worth
>> five minutes of your time if you have any love for or interest in these
>> fantastic derailleurs.
>>
>> His conclusion is interesting and ironic — as are his omissions. I won’t
>> spoil anything here, but check it out:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Frzlzs7w8
>>
>> Jim
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Ron's Fabio's Chest on my Homer

[brendonoid]

Can't find a picture but this reminded me that in the past Ronnie suggested 
putting a piece of brake cable housing over the hanging part of the brake 
cable when running cantis. It works as a sleeve and prevents the bag from 
impeding the movement of the cable.


 I have done this and it does work with the caveat that a heavy bag or 
swinging load can fray your brake cable. I have had a cable almost snap at 
the point the cable leaves the cable hanger.

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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[iamkeith]

Interesting!  It will be difficult for me to refer to that as the "Charlie" 
rather than the "Joe."

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:36:07 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

> Looks like Riv updated the store page with a full description of the 
> production version of the Gallop.
> They cover everything, from the top tube and brake changes, tubing, sizing 
> with various bars and whether you should buy one for your girlfriend ha!
> I always enjoy reading the descriptions, and it looks like a fun bike. 
> It's certainly unique! I hope they do well.
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-charlie-gallop 
>
> They've also updated the full geometry chart, including now the lugged 
> Roadini and the 2025 Atlantis... *eye emoji*
>
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometries_10162024.pdf?v=1729114939
>
> On Saturday 18 May 2024 at 03:24:47 UTC+9:30 arti...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The design decision for the straight top tube unfortunately killed my 
>> interest in the frame. What a pity (for me)…
>>
>> On Saturday 9 September 2023 at 20:37:51 UTC+2 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Veering ever-so-slightly off topic, and apologies to those who don't 
>>> have facebook, but check out the bike in this video:
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1148753762570679?mibextid=9drbnH
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Mike Godwin]

Yes, a bit easier to set up because you tighten the cable with an allen 
wrench, a little easier to snug up the cable initially. I like the curve 
action on the straddle cable, it does not bind on the cable groove like 
what happens, sometimes, with the traditional Dia Compe straddle hanger. 
Plus, you can get them in various colors and they are good bike bling gifts 
to your riding buddies. 

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 12:06:32 AM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality of 
> Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a $60 
> shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also it 
> seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
> main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Rick Harries]

I really like the bits of useful information that I learn on this list.  I 
need to install a rear center pull brake on a bike with no cable stop and 
with no room between the seat post binder ears for your typical suspended 
stop. But I do have one of the Tektro front cable stops. Now I just need to 
find it. Thanks, Garth!

Rick Harries
Easton, MD

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I can't speak to a Moon Unit but I have used a wider cable carrier and it 
> offered nothing over the basic Dia-Compe style ones. More effectiive for 
> the front at least is a Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stop. They can be 
> used in the rear of your bike has no cable stop, use the correct mounting 
> bolt, and the geometry is right. 
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 6:48:41 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> They are a lot easier to set up -- it's a lot easier to tighten the cable 
>> with the fixed bolt. They're wider than most carriers, which translates 
>> into a bit more leverage  (or mechanical advantage) , which "might" be good 
>> with certain aero brake levers (making sure you have enough lever pull), 
>> but it is not really that wide, and adjusting the straddle cable height up 
>> or down will in most cases have more impact on the amount of mechanical 
>> advantage. 
>>
>> I do have a set with Suntour XC Pro Cantilevers on my Toyo Atlantis -- 
>> they're nice and worthwhile, but I got mine for about $25 used, so... 
>> :) 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:06:32 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality 
>>> of Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a 
>>> $60 shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also 
>>> it seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
>>> main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
>>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Jay Lonner]

Staying with Paul, if you can’t get the Tektro to work there’s always the Funky Monkey:Funky Monkey Cable Hangerpaulcomp.comJay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Oct 17, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Rick Harries  wrote:I really like the bits of useful information that I learn on this list.  I need to install a rear center pull brake on a bike with no cable stop and with no room between the seat post binder ears for your typical suspended stop. But I do have one of the Tektro front cable stops. Now I just need to find it. Thanks, Garth!Rick HarriesEaston, MDOn Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:I can't speak to a Moon Unit but I have used a wider cable carrier and it offered nothing over the basic Dia-Compe style ones. More effectiive for the front at least is a Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stop. They can be used in the rear of your bike has no cable stop, use the correct mounting bolt, and the geometry is right. On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 6:48:41 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com wrote:They are a lot easier to set up -- it's a lot easier to tighten the cable with the fixed bolt. They're wider than most carriers, which translates into a bit more leverage  (or mechanical advantage) , which "might" be good with certain aero brake levers (making sure you have enough lever pull), but it is not really that wide, and adjusting the straddle cable height up or down will in most cases have more impact on the amount of mechanical advantage. I do have a set with Suntour XC Pro Cantilevers on my Toyo Atlantis -- they're nice and worthwhile, but I got mine for about $25 used, so...     :) Julian WesterhoutBloomington, IL On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:06:32 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality of Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a $60 shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also it seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. Thanks!



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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

[Doug H.]

Joe has the original Gallop for sure! It would be interesting to compare 
the geometry.
Doug

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> Interesting!  It will be difficult for me to refer to that as the 
> "Charlie" rather than the "Joe."
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:36:07 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>
>> Looks like Riv updated the store page with a full description of the 
>> production version of the Gallop.
>> They cover everything, from the top tube and brake changes, tubing, 
>> sizing with various bars and whether you should buy one for your girlfriend 
>> ha!
>> I always enjoy reading the descriptions, and it looks like a fun bike. 
>> It's certainly unique! I hope they do well.
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/frame-charlie-gallop 
>>
>> They've also updated the full geometry chart, including now the lugged 
>> Roadini and the 2025 Atlantis... *eye emoji*
>>
>> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/RBW_Bicycle_Geometries_10162024.pdf?v=1729114939
>>
>> On Saturday 18 May 2024 at 03:24:47 UTC+9:30 arti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The design decision for the straight top tube unfortunately killed my 
>>> interest in the frame. What a pity (for me)…
>>>
>>> On Saturday 9 September 2023 at 20:37:51 UTC+2 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 Veering ever-so-slightly off topic, and apologies to those who don't 
 have facebook, but check out the bike in this video:

 https://www.facebook.com/reel/1148753762570679?mibextid=9drbnH




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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Moon Units

[Ginz]

Does the curve in the Moon Unit offer a more graceful curve to the straddle 
cable?  If so, is there a little bit less slack in the system and a 
slightly better feel at the lever?  For $40-60, I decided not to find out!  
Maybe someday I'll try it.



On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 11:17:01 AM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Staying with Paul, if you can’t get the Tektro to work there’s always the 
> Funky Monkey:
>
> [image: funky_monkey_tn.jpg]
>
> Funky Monkey Cable Hanger 
> 
> paulcomp.com 
> 
>
> 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Oct 17, 2024, at 6:12 PM, Rick Harries  wrote:
>
> I really like the bits of useful information that I learn on this list. 
>  I need to install a rear center pull brake on a bike with no cable stop 
> and with no room between the seat post binder ears for your typical 
> suspended stop. But I do have one of the Tektro front cable stops. Now I 
> just need to find it. Thanks, Garth!
>
>
> Rick Harries
> Easton, MD
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> I can't speak to a Moon Unit but I have used a wider cable carrier and it 
>> offered nothing over the basic Dia-Compe style ones. More effectiive for 
>> the front at least is a Tektro 1277A fork mounted cable stop. They can be 
>> used in the rear of your bike has no cable stop, use the correct mounting 
>> bolt, and the geometry is right. 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 6:48:41 AM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They are a lot easier to set up -- it's a lot easier to tighten the 
>>> cable with the fixed bolt. They're wider than most carriers, which 
>>> translates into a bit more leverage  (or mechanical advantage) , which 
>>> "might" be good with certain aero brake levers (making sure you have enough 
>>> lever pull), but it is not really that wide, and adjusting the straddle 
>>> cable height up or down will in most cases have more impact on the amount 
>>> of mechanical advantage. 
>>>
>>> I do have a set with Suntour XC Pro Cantilevers on my Toyo Atlantis -- 
>>> they're nice and worthwhile, but I got mine for about $25 used, so... 
>>> :) 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>> On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 2:06:32 AM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>>
 Just curious if anyone has real opinions on the actually functionality 
 of Moon Units vs normal stock ones. My instinct is telling me that it's a 
 $60 shiny thing that will make adjustment & setup a tiny bit easier. Also 
 it seems it gives the straddle cable a different yoke shape so that was my 
 main nerd out question. I'd be using them with the Touring Cantis btw. 
 Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New Yorker ran my letter to the editor re: The Art of Taking it Slow!

[John Rinker]

Well written, Caroline! While my Rivs rarely see any city, you must be 
correct that any Riv is just as at home on city streets as on mountain 
trails. Now, I do think it would be wonderful to see a photo of your Riv 
loaded with a Craig's List purchase or locked to a Brooklyn parking sign.

Cheers, John

On Thursday, October 17, 2024 at 9:30:43 AM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> Hi Caroline, you are an inspiration! I haven't gotten rid of my car, but 
> am able to commute to work most days on my Riv, so I have a start at it.
>
> Toshi in Oakland
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 7:11 AM Caroline Golum  
> wrote:
>
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Re: [RBW] New Yorker ran my letter to the editor re: The Art of Taking it Slow!

[Caroline Golum]

Ask and ye shall receive! Transporting records / Picking up a full-length 
mirror: https://imgur.com/a/XmExI9H 



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[RBW] Sackville Bar Sack and Nitto F-15 FS

[Marc40a]

Both in excellent+ condition. 

$150 plus shipping

Regards,
Marc

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