Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Conway Bennett]

I'm officially #7.  Orange is a non starter because the nature of the decals.  
As always, Grant and Roman indulged and humored me.  Some threw lavender in the 
ring which could be real cool.

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Will]

I have an Atlantis. So that's my backstory. 

I'd get 650B wheels for the Rom. If you could run 38s with fenders, you'd 
be in pretty good shape for commutes. 

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 10:35:57 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Donehower wrote:
>
> This is my first post.  I have been commuting regularly now for over a 
> year and ready to buy a new bike with my wife's support. We will be going 
> to one car and VW will partially subsidize this purchase with the Diesel 
> Scandal settlement.  I am struggling to decide which model to buy and was 
> wondering what advice you all might have.  I am debating between the Sam, 
> Joe and Clem.  I realize there is probably no bad choice.   I currently 
> have two bikes.  I have a Rivendell Romulus I purchased from a friend but 
> it isn't my first choice for commuting.  I also converted a Jamis Nova 
> Steel bike (probably similar to the cross check) to a more relaxed ride 
> with the Soma Oxford Bars.  I enjoy the bike but thinking I want the 
> flexibility of larger wheels, and a more upright position.  Currently 
> running 32 mm. I don't really go on bike tours since riding the Oregon 
> Coast with the wrong equipment 9 years back but as my kids grow up, I would 
> like that flexibility. It would mostly be for weekend rides, fire roads and 
> primarily commuting.
>
> The Joe Appaloosa seems to be a reflect Grant's latest thinking on bikes. 
>  It seems like a fantastic bike but perhaps overkill for what I ride.  I am 
> not sure I need 45 mm tires and 52 CS.  But then I think perhaps I should 
> just go all in on the Rivendell philosophy instead of taking baby steps. 
>  The Joe seems like the heir to the Atlantis reflecting what Grant has 
> learned over the last decade.
>
> The Clem Smith Jr seems like a wonderful bike and very similar to the Joe. 
>  I can't figure out after reading the lists what the real differences would 
> be beyond lugs.  I have some concern with the sizing.  My PBH of 85cm would 
> put me at a 52 in the Clem (55 in the Joe).  I am at the top end of the 
> sizing.  I am 6 ft with shorter legs. In fact the 52 would fit both my wife 
> at 5'3" and me at 6 ft.  Logically I realize this bike would fit my needs 
> but then emotionally I got back to the Joe.
>
> I am also looking at the Sam Hillborne seems like it might be a good 
> compromise.  it takes fat wheels, good for light touring (probably heavy 
> touring by my standards) and allows for a more relaxed fit.  I also think I 
> would be losing long-term flexibility and I weigh 210 lbs, and might be 
> better off with the more robust bike.  
>
> Again I realize there is probably no wrong choice but would love to hear 
> your thoughts.  I love reading the forum, I really appreciate the Rivendell 
> philosophy and excited to take a big jump in.  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Sky Coulter]

Ya, Erl's conversion is pretty sweet; it's what motivated my temporary 
conversion.  I had 42mm hetres on my sidepull romulus when I converted it 
and still had good space for fenders.  Converting dropped the bb about 5mm 
which i (over) compensated with by a 10mm reduction in crank length. Works 
great. I just switched back because it was redundant with my saluki.

Sky in new west 

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 5:04:31 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> I have an Atlantis. So that's my backstory. 
>
> I'd get 650B wheels for the Rom. If you could run 38s with fenders, you'd 
> be in pretty good shape for commutes. 
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 10:35:57 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Donehower wrote:
>>
>> This is my first post.  I have been commuting regularly now for over a 
>> year and ready to buy a new bike with my wife's support. We will be going 
>> to one car and VW will partially subsidize this purchase with the Diesel 
>> Scandal settlement.  I am struggling to decide which model to buy and was 
>> wondering what advice you all might have.  I am debating between the Sam, 
>> Joe and Clem.  I realize there is probably no bad choice.   I currently 
>> have two bikes.  I have a Rivendell Romulus I purchased from a friend but 
>> it isn't my first choice for commuting.  I also converted a Jamis Nova 
>> Steel bike (probably similar to the cross check) to a more relaxed ride 
>> with the Soma Oxford Bars.  I enjoy the bike but thinking I want the 
>> flexibility of larger wheels, and a more upright position.  Currently 
>> running 32 mm. I don't really go on bike tours since riding the Oregon 
>> Coast with the wrong equipment 9 years back but as my kids grow up, I would 
>> like that flexibility. It would mostly be for weekend rides, fire roads and 
>> primarily commuting.
>>
>> The Joe Appaloosa seems to be a reflect Grant's latest thinking on bikes. 
>>  It seems like a fantastic bike but perhaps overkill for what I ride.  I am 
>> not sure I need 45 mm tires and 52 CS.  But then I think perhaps I should 
>> just go all in on the Rivendell philosophy instead of taking baby steps. 
>>  The Joe seems like the heir to the Atlantis reflecting what Grant has 
>> learned over the last decade.
>>
>> The Clem Smith Jr seems like a wonderful bike and very similar to the 
>> Joe.  I can't figure out after reading the lists what the real differences 
>> would be beyond lugs.  I have some concern with the sizing.  My PBH of 85cm 
>> would put me at a 52 in the Clem (55 in the Joe).  I am at the top end of 
>> the sizing.  I am 6 ft with shorter legs. In fact the 52 would fit both my 
>> wife at 5'3" and me at 6 ft.  Logically I realize this bike would fit my 
>> needs but then emotionally I got back to the Joe.
>>
>> I am also looking at the Sam Hillborne seems like it might be a good 
>> compromise.  it takes fat wheels, good for light touring (probably heavy 
>> touring by my standards) and allows for a more relaxed fit.  I also think I 
>> would be losing long-term flexibility and I weigh 210 lbs, and might be 
>> better off with the more robust bike.  
>>
>> Again I realize there is probably no wrong choice but would love to hear 
>> your thoughts.  I love reading the forum, I really appreciate the Rivendell 
>> philosophy and excited to take a big jump in.  
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[twin]

Bill you just made my mind up for a Sam after thinking I wanted a Rosco. Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?

[Roberta]

I'll be taking a trip to the closest reseller either next week or the week 
after and will keep all your comments in mind.  I'll give you an update.

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Jonathan Donehower]

Weth- That is a beautiful conversion. I really like the look and it is a 
beautiful bike. I never considered switching the wheels.  I haven't seen 
many Romulus bikes without the drop handlebars and that never crossed my 
mind.  I really enjoy the Romulus but liked the idea of having a bike with 
drop bars. I am leaning towards building up one of the frames with a more 
relaxed fit.  I really like the idea of the Appaloosa.  I think the problem 
is with need and want.  Converting the Romulus is probably the more 
practical option but there is an appeal to having a real solid Rivendell 
touring bike.  Thank you for all the comments.  I am really enjoying the 
discussions.

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 6:27:37 PM UTC-7, twin wrote:
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> Bill you just made my mind up for a Sam after thinking I wanted a Rosco. 
> Thanks 
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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Surlyprof]

As a Hillborne owner and commuter, I'll second Jim's thoughts.  Since you 
already have the Romulus with narrowish tires for road riding, I'd go to the 
other end of the spectrum with an Appaloosa (follow your instincts) or the Clem 
with the fattest tires you can put on there with fenders (since you're 
commuting on it).  I use my Sam for everything and love it but it is the only 
bike I have and it's a great all arounder.  I really liked riding both the 
Appaloosa and the Clem.  If I had a more dedicated road bike than the 
Hillborne, I'd want the Appaloosa for all other pursuits.  What can I say, when 
buying a Riv, I want the lugs.  If I were to buy the Clem over the Appaloosa it 
would be for the 650 wheels which always felt great to me a 5'10".  That's what 
has me pondering the Roscoe mountain mixte these days...

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Jim Bronson]

The Appaloosa is a more pretty bike than Clem, but the complete 2016 Clem H
bikes are selling for $200 off, that is, $1300 complete.  (fenders extra).
I could not argue with $1300 for a complete Rivendell.  I just got mine
this week, a 65cm in Mustard.

I also 2nd the thoughts for keeping the Rom, just converting it to 650b, I
converted one of my older Rivs to 650Bx38 with fenders and very happy with
it, with LoupLoup Pass tires it rolls really well.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> As a Hillborne owner and commuter, I'll second Jim's thoughts.  Since you
> already have the Romulus with narrowish tires for road riding, I'd go to
> the other end of the spectrum with an Appaloosa (follow your instincts) or
> the Clem with the fattest tires you can put on there with fenders (since
> you're commuting on it).  I use my Sam for everything and love it but it is
> the only bike I have and it's a great all arounder.  I really liked riding
> both the Appaloosa and the Clem.  If I had a more dedicated road bike than
> the Hillborne, I'd want the Appaloosa for all other pursuits.  What can I
> say, when buying a Riv, I want the lugs.  If I were to buy the Clem over
> the Appaloosa it would be for the 650 wheels which always felt great to me
> a 5'10".  That's what has me pondering the Roscoe mountain mixte these
> days...
>
> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L (low bar) for longer rides?

[Ron Mc]

I ride for exercise, and I'm riding 3 bikes with different riding positions 
- drop bar road, semi-upright moustache, and upright Map bars.  
I try to ride each every week, because each uses different combinations of 
core muscles and thigh muscles.  
(The 3 bikes also shift differently, and the change-ups are fun.)  
The drop bar road bike - have to ride it the fastest to feel like I'm 
exercising.  
My upright is no slouch - it's a quick, efficient, and well-geared bike. 
 It is definitely a parachute, and I'll pick one of the other bikes on very 
windy days.  
With the bars properly dialed, though, never had a problem going long 
distance on the upright bike (over 60 mi) - as long as you can keep wrists 
straight and grips (and shoulders) relaxed.  

As far as saddle comfort - for me - Brooks Swallow on the drop bar bike is 
the most invisible saddle I've ever ridden.  Next up are the B17s on the 
other two bikes.  Saddles, though, are where mileage varies for everybody.  

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[RBW] Unusual Della Santa

[Addison Wilhite]

A friend just got this and it is just stunning.  I felt it was worth
sharing.  Plus Roland built a bike for something bigger than 28s so that's
something right.

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2017/03/rare-bird-della-santa.html

And apologies in advance because I'll probably post this to the iBob list
as well.

Regards,

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 

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[RBW] Carbon Wheels

[halfstep neil]

Check out the RetroGrouch Blog for 14 March 2017. Good video of the rim 
shattering at 40km/hr

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[RBW] Still seeking Butternut?

[Christopher Wiggins]

We've got one 51 and one 46 Butternut Appaloosa left in stock.  Complete 
bikes.  Can box and ship.  $2300 plus the actual cost of shipping from 
Indy.  Feel free to contact us directly.  info AT a1cyclery DOT com

Thanks!

Chris Wiggins
Owner
A1 Cyclery

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Charlie R]

Number #1 votes for orange or Porsche red

Charlie




On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
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> As reputed #4, I second both of Conway's suggestions, maybe in reverse 
> order.  But it is very disturbing that there is not a single orange speed 
> demon in my stable 
>
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> > On Mar 22, 2017, at 7:24 PM, Conway Bennett  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Just emailed Grant.  Gonna replace my wife's 53 cm caseroll with the 
> bubbe which will fit me too so it'll see more use than the salsa does. 
>  It'll make a great kid hauler too, someday. 
> > 
> > It's supposed to be a different color so maybe we can influence that 
> decision.  I for instance, need an orange bike but always liked that frosty 
> root beer brown that ended up on a AHH way back when. 
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[RBW] WTB: Marks Rack M1

[R. Scott Lake]

This rack is out of stock @ RBW.
Looking for a used one to put on my Cheviot.

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[RBW] Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Jonathan Donehower]

This is my first post.  I have been commuting regularly now for over a year 
and ready to buy a new bike with my wife's support. We will be going to one 
car and VW will partially subsidize this purchase with the Diesel Scandal 
settlement.  I am struggling to decide which model to buy and was wondering 
what advice you all might have.  I am debating between the Sam, Joe and 
Clem.  I realize there is probably no bad choice.   I currently have two 
bikes.  I have a Rivendell Romulus I purchased from a friend but it isn't 
my first choice for commuting.  I also converted a Jamis Nova Steel bike 
(probably similar to the cross check) to a more relaxed ride with the Soma 
Oxford Bars.  I enjoy the bike but thinking I want the flexibility of 
larger wheels, and a more upright position.  Currently running 32 mm. I 
don't really go on bike tours since riding the Oregon Coast with the wrong 
equipment 9 years back but as my kids grow up, I would like that 
flexibility. It would mostly be for weekend rides, fire roads and primarily 
commuting.

The Joe Appaloosa seems to be a reflect Grant's latest thinking on bikes. 
 It seems like a fantastic bike but perhaps overkill for what I ride.  I am 
not sure I need 45 mm tires and 52 CS.  But then I think perhaps I should 
just go all in on the Rivendell philosophy instead of taking baby steps. 
 The Joe seems like the heir to the Atlantis reflecting what Grant has 
learned over the last decade.

The Clem Smith Jr seems like a wonderful bike and very similar to the Joe. 
 I can't figure out after reading the lists what the real differences would 
be beyond lugs.  I have some concern with the sizing.  My PBH of 85cm would 
put me at a 52 in the Clem (55 in the Joe).  I am at the top end of the 
sizing.  I am 6 ft with shorter legs. In fact the 52 would fit both my wife 
at 5'3" and me at 6 ft.  Logically I realize this bike would fit my needs 
but then emotionally I got back to the Joe.

I am also looking at the Sam Hillborne seems like it might be a good 
compromise.  it takes fat wheels, good for light touring (probably heavy 
touring by my standards) and allows for a more relaxed fit.  I also think I 
would be losing long-term flexibility and I weigh 210 lbs, and might be 
better off with the more robust bike.  

Again I realize there is probably no wrong choice but would love to hear 
your thoughts.  I love reading the forum, I really appreciate the Rivendell 
philosophy and excited to take a big jump in.  


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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Philip Kim]

if you carry a lot of weight and ride more bumpy roads i would go clem

if you carry a lot of weight and ride smooth single track, pavement, or 
dirt roads, i would go appaloosa

if you carry stuff on your commute that is able to fit in a basket, i would 
get the sam.

if you're going to ride upright then get a clem or appaloosa, if youre 
going drop bars then get the sam

I used to have a sam, but upright bars were cramped, my appaloosa should be 
coming in soon.




On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:35:57 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Donehower wrote:
>
> This is my first post.  I have been commuting regularly now for over a 
> year and ready to buy a new bike with my wife's support. We will be going 
> to one car and VW will partially subsidize this purchase with the Diesel 
> Scandal settlement.  I am struggling to decide which model to buy and was 
> wondering what advice you all might have.  I am debating between the Sam, 
> Joe and Clem.  I realize there is probably no bad choice.   I currently 
> have two bikes.  I have a Rivendell Romulus I purchased from a friend but 
> it isn't my first choice for commuting.  I also converted a Jamis Nova 
> Steel bike (probably similar to the cross check) to a more relaxed ride 
> with the Soma Oxford Bars.  I enjoy the bike but thinking I want the 
> flexibility of larger wheels, and a more upright position.  Currently 
> running 32 mm. I don't really go on bike tours since riding the Oregon 
> Coast with the wrong equipment 9 years back but as my kids grow up, I would 
> like that flexibility. It would mostly be for weekend rides, fire roads and 
> primarily commuting.
>
> The Joe Appaloosa seems to be a reflect Grant's latest thinking on bikes. 
>  It seems like a fantastic bike but perhaps overkill for what I ride.  I am 
> not sure I need 45 mm tires and 52 CS.  But then I think perhaps I should 
> just go all in on the Rivendell philosophy instead of taking baby steps. 
>  The Joe seems like the heir to the Atlantis reflecting what Grant has 
> learned over the last decade.
>
> The Clem Smith Jr seems like a wonderful bike and very similar to the Joe. 
>  I can't figure out after reading the lists what the real differences would 
> be beyond lugs.  I have some concern with the sizing.  My PBH of 85cm would 
> put me at a 52 in the Clem (55 in the Joe).  I am at the top end of the 
> sizing.  I am 6 ft with shorter legs. In fact the 52 would fit both my wife 
> at 5'3" and me at 6 ft.  Logically I realize this bike would fit my needs 
> but then emotionally I got back to the Joe.
>
> I am also looking at the Sam Hillborne seems like it might be a good 
> compromise.  it takes fat wheels, good for light touring (probably heavy 
> touring by my standards) and allows for a more relaxed fit.  I also think I 
> would be losing long-term flexibility and I weigh 210 lbs, and might be 
> better off with the more robust bike.  
>
> Again I realize there is probably no wrong choice but would love to hear 
> your thoughts.  I love reading the forum, I really appreciate the Rivendell 
> philosophy and excited to take a big jump in.  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Jonathan,
Why isn't the Riv Romulus your first choice for commuting?

What do you like/dislike about the Romulus? 

I think answers to the above might inform your decision.

Good luck!
shoji



On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:35:57 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Donehower wrote:
>
> This is my first post.  I have been commuting regularly now for over a 
> year and ready to buy a new bike with my wife's support. We will be going 
> to one car and VW will partially subsidize this purchase with the Diesel 
> Scandal settlement.  I am struggling to decide which model to buy and was 
> wondering what advice you all might have.  I am debating between the Sam, 
> Joe and Clem.  I realize there is probably no bad choice.   I currently 
> have two bikes.  I have a Rivendell Romulus I purchased from a friend but 
> it isn't my first choice for commuting.  I also converted a Jamis Nova 
> Steel bike (probably similar to the cross check) to a more relaxed ride 
> with the Soma Oxford Bars.  I enjoy the bike but thinking I want the 
> flexibility of larger wheels, and a more upright position.  Currently 
> running 32 mm. I don't really go on bike tours since riding the Oregon 
> Coast with the wrong equipment 9 years back but as my kids grow up, I would 
> like that flexibility. It would mostly be for weekend rides, fire roads and 
> primarily commuting.
>
> The Joe Appaloosa seems to be a reflect Grant's latest thinking on bikes. 
>  It seems like a fantastic bike but perhaps overkill for what I ride.  I am 
> not sure I need 45 mm tires and 52 CS.  But then I think perhaps I should 
> just go all in on the Rivendell philosophy instead of taking baby steps. 
>  The Joe seems like the heir to the Atlantis reflecting what Grant has 
> learned over the last decade.
>
> The Clem Smith Jr seems like a wonderful bike and very similar to the Joe. 
>  I can't figure out after reading the lists what the real differences would 
> be beyond lugs.  I have some concern with the sizing.  My PBH of 85cm would 
> put me at a 52 in the Clem (55 in the Joe).  I am at the top end of the 
> sizing.  I am 6 ft with shorter legs. In fact the 52 would fit both my wife 
> at 5'3" and me at 6 ft.  Logically I realize this bike would fit my needs 
> but then emotionally I got back to the Joe.
>
> I am also looking at the Sam Hillborne seems like it might be a good 
> compromise.  it takes fat wheels, good for light touring (probably heavy 
> touring by my standards) and allows for a more relaxed fit.  I also think I 
> would be losing long-term flexibility and I weigh 210 lbs, and might be 
> better off with the more robust bike.  
>
> Again I realize there is probably no wrong choice but would love to hear 
> your thoughts.  I love reading the forum, I really appreciate the Rivendell 
> philosophy and excited to take a big jump in.  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Joe Bernard]

Short legs/long torso is definitely something to consider, especially if you're 
using pullback bars. My PBH is 79-ish, which I thought would put me on a 45 
Clem. The reach was too close, so I sold it and bought a 51 Appaloosa. Better, 
and suspect I could even ride a 55 Appa if I didn't care about standover. 

If you're at the outer edge of sizing on a 52 Clem and the Appa has even one 
more centimeter of virtual toptube, get the Appa. Also, it's a little lighter 
and fully lugged. A gorgeous bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Anything unusual needed for an Appaloosa build?

[Ed Carolipio]

You're welcome ... but you can thank me (and the group) better by posting 
pictures once you've got it built up. :)

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 4:14:30 PM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Thanks Ed, much appreciated.  When I lived in Denver, finding M4/M5/M6 
> bolts, especially stainless, were fairly easy to find.  That is not 
> necessarily true now that I live in a smaller midwest town.  I thought the 
> other day that my bike building days will end, not when I run out of parts, 
> but when I run out of bolts, screws and spacers!
>
> I think the Appaloosa will start off without fenders, with the idea of 
> exploring local dirt and gravel roads, but there is more rain here than in 
> Colorado so fenders may come later.  Part of that answer will be decided by 
> what size tires feel right on the bike.
>
> Thanks for the help and the experience with the mount points.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 4:51:01 PM UTC-5, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>> For a canti build, someone mentioned the hangers already but I found I 
>> needed to adjust the headset spacers (1" silver, 2.5mm or 5mm thick, having 
>> a handful is nice) to accommodate the front hanger since I ran out of fork 
>> using the spacer included with the frame. I also snapped the seat post bolt 
>> troubleshooting slippage so I recommend having some spare M6x25mm bolts 
>> (20mm may be long enough) with matching lock nuts handy.
>>
>> There are three potential mount points for the rear rack: two are M6 (as 
>> others have pointed out), with the third, rearmost one as M5. Most folks 
>> run a fender on the M5 mount, but I won't judge you if you rebel against 
>> convention. Of the two M6 mount points, if you choose the dropout one, I 
>> suggest getting in the fenders in at the same time: the two mount points 
>> are close enough that there may be minor gymnastics involved to get all of 
>> that to work together. I opted for the seat stay mount, and that has worked 
>> well for me and my commuter bags/panniers plus no issues with heel strike.
>>
>> Note that "thick washer/spacer" (I think they're 2.5mm) which Riv sells 
>> are for M5 bolts, so I couldn't use them to space out the rear rack whilst 
>> opting for the M6 mounts.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Ed Carolipio]

Agree on this list. I own an Appa and I'd recommend that over the Clem if 
that doesn't break your budget and you don't see singletrack in your 
future. I don't think it's overkill for what you want to do, and covers 
such a broad range of riding that it can adapt well to what you've listed.

--Ed


On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 9:13:53 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> if you carry a lot of weight and ride more bumpy roads i would go clem
>
> if you carry a lot of weight and ride smooth single track, pavement, or 
> dirt roads, i would go appaloosa
>
> if you carry stuff on your commute that is able to fit in a basket, i 
> would get the sam.
>
> if you're going to ride upright then get a clem or appaloosa, if youre 
> going drop bars then get the sam
>
> I used to have a sam, but upright bars were cramped, my appaloosa should 
> be coming in soon.
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:35:57 AM UTC-4, Jonathan Donehower wrote:
>>
>> This is my first post.  I have been commuting regularly now for over a 
>> year and ready to buy a new bike with my wife's support. We will be going 
>> to one car and VW will partially subsidize this purchase with the Diesel 
>> Scandal settlement.  I am struggling to decide which model to buy and was 
>> wondering what advice you all might have.  I am debating between the Sam, 
>> Joe and Clem.  I realize there is probably no bad choice.   I currently 
>> have two bikes.  I have a Rivendell Romulus I purchased from a friend but 
>> it isn't my first choice for commuting.  I also converted a Jamis Nova 
>> Steel bike (probably similar to the cross check) to a more relaxed ride 
>> with the Soma Oxford Bars.  I enjoy the bike but thinking I want the 
>> flexibility of larger wheels, and a more upright position.  Currently 
>> running 32 mm. I don't really go on bike tours since riding the Oregon 
>> Coast with the wrong equipment 9 years back but as my kids grow up, I would 
>> like that flexibility. It would mostly be for weekend rides, fire roads and 
>> primarily commuting.
>>
>> The Joe Appaloosa seems to be a reflect Grant's latest thinking on bikes. 
>>  It seems like a fantastic bike but perhaps overkill for what I ride.  I am 
>> not sure I need 45 mm tires and 52 CS.  But then I think perhaps I should 
>> just go all in on the Rivendell philosophy instead of taking baby steps. 
>>  The Joe seems like the heir to the Atlantis reflecting what Grant has 
>> learned over the last decade.
>>
>> The Clem Smith Jr seems like a wonderful bike and very similar to the 
>> Joe.  I can't figure out after reading the lists what the real differences 
>> would be beyond lugs.  I have some concern with the sizing.  My PBH of 85cm 
>> would put me at a 52 in the Clem (55 in the Joe).  I am at the top end of 
>> the sizing.  I am 6 ft with shorter legs. In fact the 52 would fit both my 
>> wife at 5'3" and me at 6 ft.  Logically I realize this bike would fit my 
>> needs but then emotionally I got back to the Joe.
>>
>> I am also looking at the Sam Hillborne seems like it might be a good 
>> compromise.  it takes fat wheels, good for light touring (probably heavy 
>> touring by my standards) and allows for a more relaxed fit.  I also think I 
>> would be losing long-term flexibility and I weigh 210 lbs, and might be 
>> better off with the more robust bike.  
>>
>> Again I realize there is probably no wrong choice but would love to hear 
>> your thoughts.  I love reading the forum, I really appreciate the Rivendell 
>> philosophy and excited to take a big jump in.  
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[sameness]

Pink, Hot (Roadeo) Red, or lavender.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Ray Varella]

Given that you already have a Romulus, the Sam will be closer to that than the 
other two. 
There is another option that would allow both you and your wife to use the same 
bike, get on the list for one of the Roscoe Mtn Mixte. 
As of yesterday, they had five people committed and wanted eight to make the 
next run. 

Given the choice of the three bikes you are considering, the Appaloosa is about 
as versatile of a bike as you could ask for. 

I've never had a bike that I thought would fit too large of a tire but I've had 
plenty that I wished would fit something larger. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[lconley]

>
> My commuter (15 miles one way) is a black Clementine (now called Clem L) 
> with a front rack & basket, fenders and front dynohub, 1x9 gearing, 650B x 
> 41 Fatty Rumpkins, Nitto Jitensha flat bars at the moment. In my way of 
> thinking the step-through frame is the only way to go for commuting. Easy 
> to dismount after an emergency stop. My Clementine looks a lot like a Dutch 
> omafiets for a good reason. I am 6' with 83 PBH (short legs) and ride a 
> size 52, but remember that a step through frame allows you to ride a larger 
> frame if you really want to get the handlebars up.
>

Laing 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[sameness]

Related, I didn't see it spelled out anywhere and I don't yet have wheels 
for this rig, but Roman confirmed they're 135mm rear spacing.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Jonathan Donehower]

I love the Romulus but would like an option for fatter tires and a more upright 
position. I can only fit 28 marathons with fenders.  I really like the Soma 
handlebars and think it would be great to have a more relaxed bike that could 
trails and handle the bumps on the commute. My first bike I bought was a racing 
bike and I ran 23 mm tires. I keep going wider with my tire choices and more 
relaxed with the riding position. 

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Jonathan Donehower]

I think I am picking up a little bit a consensus. 

The Appaloosa would be the first choice. I could dial in the fit better and 
great overall bike if in my budget. 

The Clem is a great second choice and depending on budget might be moly first 
choice. Also with a rivendell it seems like they are easy to sell and upgrade 
in the future. I do love the silver Joe. 

The Hillborne is a great bike with some overlap with the Romulus and also 
better with drop bars. I could probably dial in the fit better with the Joe. 

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[RBW] Re: Transporting a fendered tandem

[Michael Hechmer]

I would definitely avoid carrying a tandem on a hitch rack; just way too 
much risk.  Even if you are super cautious, you can't depend on other 
drivers not to hit it while parking or changing lanes.  We use the Yakima 
sidewinder with the front wheel facing the rear over either our Prius or 
Gulf Sportwagen.  I did have to remount the fender a bit more forward but 
with a flap it provides good protection. On a tandem and especially  a 
steel tandem it is very important that the fork be perfectly square to the 
rack dropouts and the QR is on tighter than you would normally.   
Personally I think  all tandems should have couplers.  It takes us about 20 
minutes to break ours into two triangles and stow it in the back of either 
car.  Another 20 minutes to reassemble.  When we are driving more than a 
couple of hours we do this.  No draft, no worry.

BTW, you will definitely want a good mud flap, otherwise water will spry 
under the pilot and hit the stoker in the shins & smack into the crank.

Michael

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 6:37:40 AM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Curious what folks recommend for carrying a fendered tandem on a car. 
>
> Considering the rocky Mounts R4 rack but am concerned that the front 
> fender will preclude mounting. Is this often the case with roof racks like 
> these? I've always used hitch racks with bikes so have no experience with 
> racks up top. 
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> Best,
> D. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[drew]

i would probably eliminate clem from the running, and then i would use 
choice of bar/position as deciding factor between sam and joe. i think 
either could do what you want it to do. neither one is too lightweight for 
what you describe.  both are super versatile. 


and you probably do need 45mm tires, you just dont know it yet.  

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Bill Lindsay]

Since you are getting a very good consensus opinion on the Appaloosa, let 
me throw a curveball. 

Get rid of the Romulus and buy a Sam, set up with drop handlebars but 
higher than the Rom.  The Rom is a classic 'not-dumb' road bike, but it's a 
road bike.  Move it on to somebody who's going to use it as a stripped down 
road bike.  28s plus fenders is a great set up for a stripped down road 
bike.  Run your Sam with Barlow Pass 38s and fender, it will still be a 
screaming fast road bike.  Run the Sam with stout flat proof tires, and it 
will be a slower bike, but it will be an enormously reliable commuter.  Set 
it up with 43mm knobbies or load it down for S24Os.  It'll do it all.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:05:24 AM UTC-7, Jonathan Donehower wrote:
>
> I think I am picking up a little bit a consensus. 
>
> The Appaloosa would be the first choice. I could dial in the fit better 
> and great overall bike if in my budget. 
>
> The Clem is a great second choice and depending on budget might be moly 
> first choice. Also with a rivendell it seems like they are easy to sell and 
> upgrade in the future. I do love the silver Joe. 
>
> The Hillborne is a great bike with some overlap with the Romulus and also 
> better with drop bars. I could probably dial in the fit better with the 
> Joe. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Ian A]

There's been a number of people on list who have converted their 
Rambouillets to 650b with a 42mm tire. That could be an option for your 
Romulus with long reach brakes. In terms of upright riding, i like drop 
bars (Noodles) at around saddle height - I much higher to rob me of 
climbing ability, so depending on your commute and riding style, just a 
tweak of position on the Rom is all you need. These are no reasons at all 
not to buy a new bike though.

IanA.

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 12:02:04 PM UTC-6, Jonathan Donehower wrote:
>
> I love the Romulus but would like an option for fatter tires and a more 
> upright position. I can only fit 28 marathons with fenders.  I really like 
> the Soma handlebars and think it would be great to have a more relaxed bike 
> that could trails and handle the bumps on the commute. My first bike I 
> bought was a racing bike and I ran 23 mm tires. I keep going wider with my 
> tire choices and more relaxed with the riding position. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Patrick Moore]

I briefly owned a Sam, circa 2013-14. I believe that Riv has made minor
changes to them since my model (Waterford, IIRC -- green, 56 X 59, and with
wonderful IRD cantilevers) but unless they've changed the tubing hugely
(or, "bigly"), the Sam would make a wonderful load carrying bike, at least
for loads of up to 40 lb or so. I've not done any loaded touring, but I
have quite a bit of experience carrying moderately heavy rear loads (45 lb
is the heaviest I've measured) and the Sam did wonderfully with these. In
fact, I had local builder Dave Porter add front lowrider braze ons to mine.
(I sold it because it was too betwixt and between: too stout for a road
bike, at least my kind of road bike, while in the other direction it didn't
take tires wide enough for my taste, and situation, in dirt surface riding.
Also, I found the tt too long.)

Point: don't dismiss the Sam if you want a bike suitable for loaded touring.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:57 PM, drew  wrote:

> i would probably eliminate clem from the running, and then i would use
> choice of bar/position as deciding factor between sam and joe. i think
> either could do what you want it to do. neither one is too lightweight for
> what you describe.  both are super versatile.
>
>
> and you probably do need 45mm tires, you just dont know it yet.
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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[WETH]

If you go the 650b conversion, I converted my Romulus to 650bx 38 with long 
reach brakes. I fit fenders too. It rides nicely.  
https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/d2QRC7

Safe cycling,
Ps: you didn't mention the Cheviot as a model you are considering, but I like 
mine and think it would fit your needs too.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Road Stnd-56cm-complete bike

[Ryan Fleming]

I'm glad  you made it work! That is such an elegant  and unique color 
scheme and it is a beauty...wonder if Choco-norms would have worked too. 
Anyway I'm glad you found a way to keep what is a very special bike

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 1:57:17 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> This bike is no longer for sale!
>
> While browsing the Rivendell website, I realized the Albastache bars might 
> work well on this bike!  So I bought one.  
>
> Then my devious/deviant mind wondered how the bars would work mounted 
> upside down.  (Patrick Moore knows how much I like my bars high up!) The 
> inverted bars paired with a dirt drop stem are awesome on this bike!  I 
> think I will add a rack & fenders and commute on it. The ride is both 
> stable and nimble-a delight!  I have fallen in love again with this 
> beautiful bicycle!
>
> I thank everyone for their interest.
>
> Safe cycling,
> Erl
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 6:17:14 AM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
> > Complete bike: $1700 shipped or $1600 local pickup-Washington DC area. 
>  F/f/hs: $900 shipped or $850 local pickup.  PayPal please.
> > 
> > I bought the f/f/hs used on eBay and built it up as a 650b conversion 
> before changing to 700c. It rides wonderfully and is beautiful!  However, 
> since acquiring my Romulus, I am mostly riding the Romulus!  I also have a 
> Cheviot to build up and ride.  Time to move this bike to an owner with time 
> to ride it! Though it pains me a bit as I will miss the gorgeous paint, 
> lugs and head badge!  As previously stated I originally built this as a 
> 650b, but the bike currently has 700c wheels and Ruffy Tuffy tires. 
>  (Photos show bike as both 650b and 700c)
> > 
> > Frame is in great condition: two notable issues-one scuff in the clear 
> coat on the top tube and a bulge on the headtube under the headbadge with a 
> corresponding paint chip-I bought the bike with these flaws.
> > 
> > Pictures here: 
> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853
> > Happy to provide more pics if wanted.
> > 
> > Frame measurements: 56cm c-c seat tube, 57.5cm c-c top tube.  I am happy 
> to provide other measurements and photos. (I have a 75-76 cm saddle height 
> and 86cm PBH.)
> > 
> > Spectrum Tom Kellogg paint job is gorgeous!
> > Headset: Campagnolo record
> > Components included (also see photos with exceptions listed below):
> > -Tektro R539 brakes (some photos show R559 brakes which are not included)
> > -TRP brake levers 
> > -Kmc chain 
> > -Altus rear derailleur 
> > -11-32 shimano cassette 
> > -Shimano CX-70 front derailleur 
> > -Shimano 8sp shift levers 
> > -BB un55 107mm 
> > -Crankset sugino wide low double;170 crank length
> > -Nitto noodles 46cm 
> > -Nitto Technomic 280mm with 70mm reach 
> > -Tires 700x28 Ruffy Tuffy 
> > -700c wheelset 36hole Mavic A319 wheelset Shimano Tiagra hubs (130 rear 
> spacing)
> > -VO grand cru seat post 
> > -Brooks b17 saddle - blue 
> > -Bar wrap - Cinelli - blue gel cork
> > -pedals -MKS RMX Sneaker Pedals
> > 
> > 
> > Also included:  
> > -Riv saddlesack xtra small grey
> > -2 king iris bottle cages
> > 
> > NOT included but pictured in some of the photos:
> > -Frame pump
> > -Kleen kanteen bottle
> > -SKS fenders
> > -rear blinky light
> > -American flag 
> > 
> > Happy to answer questions.
> > Thanks,
> > Erl
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Riv Road Stnd-56cm-complete bike

[Tony DeFilippo]

Bravo! Love the look of the reversed Alba.

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017, 16:07 Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> I'm glad  you made it work! That is such an elegant  and unique color
> scheme and it is a beauty...wonder if Choco-norms would have worked too.
> Anyway I'm glad you found a way to keep what is a very special bike
>
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 1:57:17 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> This bike is no longer for sale!
>
> While browsing the Rivendell website, I realized the Albastache bars might
> work well on this bike!  So I bought one.
>
> Then my devious/deviant mind wondered how the bars would work mounted
> upside down.  (Patrick Moore knows how much I like my bars high up!) The
> inverted bars paired with a dirt drop stem are awesome on this bike!  I
> think I will add a rack & fenders and commute on it. The ride is both
> stable and nimble-a delight!  I have fallen in love again with this
> beautiful bicycle!
>
> I thank everyone for their interest.
>
> Safe cycling,
> Erl
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2016 at 6:17:14 AM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
> > Complete bike: $1700 shipped or $1600 local pickup-Washington DC area.
> F/f/hs: $900 shipped or $850 local pickup.  PayPal please.
> >
> > I bought the f/f/hs used on eBay and built it up as a 650b conversion
> before changing to 700c. It rides wonderfully and is beautiful!  However,
> since acquiring my Romulus, I am mostly riding the Romulus!  I also have a
> Cheviot to build up and ride.  Time to move this bike to an owner with time
> to ride it! Though it pains me a bit as I will miss the gorgeous paint,
> lugs and head badge!  As previously stated I originally built this as a
> 650b, but the bike currently has 700c wheels and Ruffy Tuffy tires.
>  (Photos show bike as both 650b and 700c)
> >
> > Frame is in great condition: two notable issues-one scuff in the clear
> coat on the top tube and a bulge on the headtube under the headbadge with a
> corresponding paint chip-I bought the bike with these flaws.
> >
> > Pictures here:
> https://flickr.com/photos/86975051@N08/sets/72157646658697853
> > Happy to provide more pics if wanted.
> >
> > Frame measurements: 56cm c-c seat tube, 57.5cm c-c top tube.  I am happy
> to provide other measurements and photos. (I have a 75-76 cm saddle height
> and 86cm PBH.)
> >
> > Spectrum Tom Kellogg paint job is gorgeous!
> > Headset: Campagnolo record
> > Components included (also see photos with exceptions listed below):
> > -Tektro R539 brakes (some photos show R559 brakes which are not included)
> > -TRP brake levers
> > -Kmc chain
> > -Altus rear derailleur
> > -11-32 shimano cassette
> > -Shimano CX-70 front derailleur
> > -Shimano 8sp shift levers
> > -BB un55 107mm
> > -Crankset sugino wide low double;170 crank length
> > -Nitto noodles 46cm
> > -Nitto Technomic 280mm with 70mm reach
> > -Tires 700x28 Ruffy Tuffy
> > -700c wheelset 36hole Mavic A319 wheelset Shimano Tiagra hubs (130 rear
> spacing)
> > -VO grand cru seat post
> > -Brooks b17 saddle - blue
> > -Bar wrap - Cinelli - blue gel cork
> > -pedals -MKS RMX Sneaker Pedals
> >
> >
> > Also included:
> > -Riv saddlesack xtra small grey
> > -2 king iris bottle cages
> >
> > NOT included but pictured in some of the photos:
> > -Frame pump
> > -Kleen kanteen bottle
> > -SKS fenders
> > -rear blinky light
> > -American flag
> >
> > Happy to answer questions.
> > Thanks,
> > Erl
>
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Re: [RBW] Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[James Warren]

Since you have Romulus already (a great one!) I say go to the other end of the 
spectrum and get the widest clearance you can - that's Clem! Huge tires fit on 
that baby.

-Jim

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> On Mar 23, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Jonathan Donehower  wrote:
> 
> This is my first post.  I have been commuting regularly now for over a year 
> and ready to buy a new bike with my wife's support. We will be going to one 
> car and VW will partially subsidize this purchase with the Diesel Scandal 
> settlement.  I am struggling to decide which model to buy and was wondering 
> what advice you all might have.  I am debating between the Sam, Joe and Clem. 
>  I realize there is probably no bad choice.   I currently have two bikes.  I 
> have a Rivendell Romulus I purchased from a friend but it isn't my first 
> choice for commuting.  I also converted a Jamis Nova Steel bike (probably 
> similar to the cross check) to a more relaxed ride with the Soma Oxford Bars. 
>  I enjoy the bike but thinking I want the flexibility of larger wheels, and a 
> more upright position.  Currently running 32 mm. I don't really go on bike 
> tours since riding the Oregon Coast with the wrong equipment 9 years back but 
> as my kids grow up, I would like that flexibility. It would mostly be for 
> weekend rides, fire roads and primarily commuting.
> 
> The Joe Appaloosa seems to be a reflect Grant's latest thinking on bikes.  It 
> seems like a fantastic bike but perhaps overkill for what I ride.  I am not 
> sure I need 45 mm tires and 52 CS.  But then I think perhaps I should just go 
> all in on the Rivendell philosophy instead of taking baby steps.  The Joe 
> seems like the heir to the Atlantis reflecting what Grant has learned over 
> the last decade.
> 
> The Clem Smith Jr seems like a wonderful bike and very similar to the Joe.  I 
> can't figure out after reading the lists what the real differences would be 
> beyond lugs.  I have some concern with the sizing.  My PBH of 85cm would put 
> me at a 52 in the Clem (55 in the Joe).  I am at the top end of the sizing.  
> I am 6 ft with shorter legs. In fact the 52 would fit both my wife at 5'3" 
> and me at 6 ft.  Logically I realize this bike would fit my needs but then 
> emotionally I got back to the Joe.
> 
> I am also looking at the Sam Hillborne seems like it might be a good 
> compromise.  it takes fat wheels, good for light touring (probably heavy 
> touring by my standards) and allows for a more relaxed fit.  I also think I 
> would be losing long-term flexibility and I weigh 210 lbs, and might be 
> better off with the more robust bike.  
> 
> Again I realize there is probably no wrong choice but would love to hear your 
> thoughts.  I love reading the forum, I really appreciate the Rivendell 
> philosophy and excited to take a big jump in.  
> 
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[RBW] Re: Albastache, bah! Look at these!

[Daniel D.]

reminds me of the way I drew seagulls when I was a kid, I guess I draw them 
that way now too...

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 2:04:04 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'd install them just for the look.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
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> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
> *Le sacre est la projection du Centre celeste dans la peripherie cosmique, 
> ou du "Moteur immobile" dans le flux des choses. *F Schuon, *Le Sens du 
> Sacre, *Etudes Traditionnelles, 1r q 1979
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Wide drops for loaded Hunqapillar

[Mike K.]

Hey Drew,
I've ridden:
On-One Midge. Shallow Drop, but maybe not as wide as you're looking for, 
and honestly, a good first dirt drop bar, but not my favorite. Just not 
enough space for the hands in the drops.

Currently riding: The Gary 2 Bar by Origin8. It's 25.4, but you could use a 
shim for the 26 clamp stem. It still has a shallow drop, but is wider and 
with more hand room on the drops. I've been loving it.

Other bars I've looked at:
The Dajia Far Bar for sale on Velo-Orange: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/dajia-far-bar-handlebar-silver.html - 
ultra-wide, looks like it would be able to steer a moose (and would 
probably work for a wooly mammoth), but only comes in 31.8 clamp. Made my 
jaw drop the first time I saw them, but I understand not wanting to track 
down a different stem.

The Soma Portola bar: http://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar - 
112mm drop, pretty wide, 26.0 clamp size. Could be a good fit!

- Mike



On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 11:25:21 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> I seem to be going in reverse rivendell order with handlebars on the 
> hunqapillar. it had albatross and now albastache bars. like both for up to 
> 30 mile rides, but im starting to get bad wrist pain/numbness after that. I 
> have 46cm noodles on another bike which are about the pinnacle of comfort 
> for my wrists 
>
> I would rather not put noodles on hunq because...
> 1-i like having a wider bar for leverage with a front load or off road or 
> both
> 2-riding in the drops/hooks, on descents, is not comfortable or easy to 
> get to the brake levers
>
> I find the less extreme dirt drops intriguing, but i would like to be able 
> to be on the hoods most of the time. 
>
> What im looking for is...
> -wider drop with some flare. 
> -useable hood/ramp area
> -26mm clamp
> -accepts bar ends
> -has 125mm or less of drop
> -comes in silver
>
> the fairweather all road bar looks about perfect, but it's not quite wide 
> enough. the nitto rm-13 in the widest size may work, but the 140mm of drop 
> seems like it may have the same descent issue as noodles. 
>
> any recommendations?
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Choosing a New Rivendell Appaloosa, Hillborne or Clem

[Ian A]

If those photos don't convince a person who wants an upright commuter, also 
good for light touring that a 650b Romulus could work, I don't think 
anything good. Truly wonderful looking bicycle you have created there WETH.

IanA

On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 1:53:58 PM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>
> If you go the 650b conversion, I converted my Romulus to 650bx 38 with 
> long reach brakes. I fit fenders too. It rides nicely.  
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/86975051@N08/d2QRC7
>
> Safe cycling,
> Ps: you didn't mention the Cheviot as a model you are considering, but I 
> like mine and think it would fit your needs too.
>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Dan McNamara]

Just got off the phone with Roman. I am now on the list. 

Hoping for the root beer brown but I am sure about any color will be great.



> On Mar 23, 2017, at 10:51 AM, sameness  wrote:
> 
> Related, I didn't see it spelled out anywhere and I don't yet have wheels for 
> this rig, but Roman confirmed they're 135mm rear spacing.
> 
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, Ca USA
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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Wonder what our count is up to now?  I'd think the next step would be to expand 
the news of this bike to the Riv website to generate some more exposure and 
interest beyond the closed group email 

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Rebate Program - Promote your Referral Link here - ONLY!

[Mike K.]

I suppose since the moderator told me to use this post, I better do it. 
Thanks for spreading the word about this. I didn't know it existed.

If anyone wants to help me buy a rack for my new handlebar bag to go on my 
new-to-me and first Rivendell ever Rambouillet, I'd sure appreciate it!:  
http://rivbike.trybeans.com/r/michael.kaiser/ 

- Mike in ATX

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: New Batch of Rosco Mixtes - Maybe

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Congratulations!  Root beer brown would be fabulous!

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[RBW] Re: The next Velo Lumino product: rear fender reinforcement plate

[Anton Tutter]

The center hole is for the bridge mount. Most bridges on bikes specifically 
designed for fenders will have a threaded boss on the bottom of the bridge, 
oriented toward the axle. For bridges with a brake bolt, you can still 
mount a fender using a 90 degree bracket bolted to the brake bolt.

Anton
velolumino.com


On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 3:54:19 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Anton,
> What is the purpose of the center hole? The outside holes, I assume, 
> attach to the fender. Are there attachments beneath brake bridges for 
> fender mounting? If so, I probably could have saved myself some trouble 
> over the years.
>
> Follow-up question, do these only work with center-pull/canti brakes? My 
> Ram is sidepull and I could see this being handy but not feasible due to 
> the distance between the brake bridge and the fender. But maybe it's not as 
> far apart as I think it is...
>
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Re: [RBW] The next Velo Lumino product: rear fender reinforcement plate

[Anton Tutter]

Jay,

Your hand-filed reinforcement plates came out really nice!

Anton
velolumino.com

On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 2:53:12 PM UTC-4, Jay wrote:
>
> Eric,
>
> I created a custom reinforcement plate for my daughters Jack Taylor using 
> a stock 1" aluminum strap that can be found at most local hardware stores. 
> You simply trace out the shape you want, cut with a hacksaw or scroll saw, 
> then file and and polish. I used a round file to give it a little camber on 
> the bottom and allow it to sit evenly on the fender, and a flat file to 
> taper the edges and overall thin it out. Various grits of sand paper and 
> Simichrome brought it to a mirror shine.
>
> I wanted one a little longer/narrower than those available at the time, 
> I'm happy with how it turned out. 
> Takes a little time but well worth the effort.
>
> A few images for reference:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wnbvaaqck7fw1u5/2017-03-22%2011.56.48.jpg?dl=0
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwvg3m071u3j31m/2017-03-22%2011.55.29.jpg?dl=0
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/r7esxwncvzrxy2l/2017-03-22%2011.55.09.jpg?dl=0
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/111412591633365066438/album/6270196811045780369?authkey=CJXtxJeHp63RyQE
>
> As a side note Anton does great work and I'm sure the plates he's created 
> are top-notch. He modernized the lights on the little Jack, and they work 
> fantastic!
>
> Jay Fichialos
> Pleasant Grove, Utah, USA
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:57 AM, George Schick  > wrote:
>
>> Eric - looking at the photo I can see why you don't want the extra 
>> holes.  But how do you keep it from shifting or turning sideways a bit from 
>> vibration, etc. without the bolts?  Contact cement?  Or is the 
>> diamond-shaped plate beveled in such a way that it conforms to the 
>> curvature of the fender, which keeps it in place?  If the latter, how would 
>> you create something like that?  Seems like you'd need a die or something 
>> to shape it.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 10:24:02 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
>>> The advantage is purely aesthetic-trying to replicate the original 
>>> Singer part. I'll look into getting a piece of an old fender somewhere.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>> www.CampyOnly.com
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:00 AM, Anton Tutter  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>>
>>> I order all my stock pre-cut and drilled and then polished. I'd have to 
>>> do a special run of a single-hole version, and I have to order quite a few 
>>> to make them cost-effective.
>>>
>>> Aside from aesthetics, what is the practical advantage, if any, to 
>>> having as single hole? I would think it would act less as a strain relief 
>>> in this way. It would still "cradle" the fender, but I would imagine its 
>>> overall net benefit is less.
>>>
>>> If you're good with tin-snips and have a spare fender you can use as a 
>>> donor, you could cut a few out and polish them.
>>>
>>> Anton
>>> velolumino.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 12:22:13 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:

 Anton:

 I wonder if you can make one of these for me with just the center hole, 
 to match the reinforcement on my Singer:



 --Eric Norris
 campyo...@me.com
 @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

 On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:19 AM, Anton Tutter  wrote:

 Velo Lumino is expanding into the "fender installation widget" space. 
 The first of several widgets in this category is a reinforcement plate 
 inspired by the old French constructeurs. It reduces fender stress fatigue 
 at a common failure location by reducing localized stress risers. And it 
 looks damn fine while doing it. Photo below is on a VO Zeppelin 650B 
 fender. The plate is thin enough (0.64mm) that is doesn't noticeably alter 
 the fender line of existing fender installations, and its shape can be 
 tweaked by hand to follow different fender contours.


 



 


 It's cut from aluminum sheet stock using water jet technology. It's 
 then pressed onto a curved form to create a nominal fender cross-section 
 radius and finally it's machine polished to a mirror finish. Two flat-head 
 stainless M3 bolts with flat washers, star washers, nuts and a leather 
 washer for the bridge are included in the price.


 $17 on velolumino.com 
 

 Anton, who is working on yet more fender installation widgets...

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