I briefly owned a Sam, circa 2013-14. I believe that Riv has made minor changes to them since my model (Waterford, IIRC -- green, 56 X 59, and with wonderful IRD cantilevers) but unless they've changed the tubing hugely (or, "bigly"), the Sam would make a wonderful load carrying bike, at least for loads of up to 40 lb or so. I've not done any loaded touring, but I have quite a bit of experience carrying moderately heavy rear loads (45 lb is the heaviest I've measured) and the Sam did wonderfully with these. In fact, I had local builder Dave Porter add front lowrider braze ons to mine. (I sold it because it was too betwixt and between: too stout for a road bike, at least my kind of road bike, while in the other direction it didn't take tires wide enough for my taste, and situation, in dirt surface riding. Also, I found the tt too long.)
Point: don't dismiss the Sam if you want a bike suitable for loaded touring. On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:57 PM, drew <drewbeckme...@gmail.com> wrote: > i would probably eliminate clem from the running, and then i would use > choice of bar/position as deciding factor between sam and joe. i think > either could do what you want it to do. neither one is too lightweight for > what you describe. both are super versatile. > > > and you probably do need 45mm tires, you just dont know it yet. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ************************************************************************** ************** *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the world revolves.) *Carthusian motto *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle *Le sacre est la projection du Centre celeste dans la peripherie cosmique, ou du "Moteur immobile" dans le flux des choses. *F Schuon, *Le Sens du Sacre, *Etudes Traditionnelles, 1r q 1979 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
