[RBW] AHH For Loaded Touring?
The simple answer Riv will give is that their touring bikes in that price range are the Atlantis and Hunqapillar, with the new-ish Appaloosa a step down in price. I can't give a review of a loaded AHH but I've owned one, and now have an Appaloosa. They both ride great, with that mysterious "spring" every Riv I've owned (a lot of them) has. My guess is you could get away with loading an AHH the way you describe, but I think you're better off getting one Grant designed for the riding you want to do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] AHH For Loaded Touring?
I have never ridden an AHH, but I have a Riv custom which was ordered as a LongLow but changed to custom when Riv started with customs. It´s almost a clone of the Rambouillet which came somewhat later and a little racier than the AHH. I had not intended to tour on it, but did: two twoweek tours with full camping gear with big tent and food and all kitchen gear for four persons. It took it with a smile! Later I bought a Heron Touring (an earlier clone of the Atlantis) and made that my touring rig. Also very nice, but it would be hard to tell the difference. Rivs are versatile! My guess is that an AHH with firstclass racks would make a wonderfull touring rig, even with a full load. However, if you like them differently set up, buy an Atlantis and be happy. Olof Stroh Uppsala Sweden -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bernard Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:16 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] AHH For Loaded Touring? The simple answer Riv will give is that their touring bikes in that price range are the Atlantis and Hunqapillar, with the new-ish Appaloosa a step down in price. I can't give a review of a loaded AHH but I've owned one, and now have an Appaloosa. They both ride great, with that mysterious "spring" every Riv I've owned (a lot of them) has. My guess is you could get away with loading an AHH the way you describe, but I think you're better off getting one Grant designed for the riding you want to do. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] AHH For Loaded Touring?
On 08/05/2016 08:44 PM, Hunter Ellis wrote: Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might as well dream. I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for a full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, ride across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something like that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. I'm confident a Homer should be just fine for that. The AHH is, after all, stiffer than the Jack Taylor Supertourist, which was one of the pre-eminent loaded touring bikes of the 1970s, and yours isn't a super-humongous load. Plenty of people toured just fine with Rambouillets too, even though Riv declined to support the idea (in fact, even debated whether to put rack eyelets on the frame). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
Great looking bike Rene! I enjoy reading about people's 'journey' to their bike decisions to. Definitely share some ride reports soon! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] AHH For Loaded Touring?
I have toured on my 60cm double TT Sam Hillborne with up to 70 pounds luggage distributed in 4 panniers on Tubus racks, and carried lighter touring loads on my 58cm AHH, maybe 30 pounds in rear panniers and a front handlebar bag, and have also commuted on both, carrying a heavy-loaded Carradice Camper that can find its way to 20 - 25 pounds on occasion. I've weighed in between 210 and 225 over the years of this type of riding. My observation is that the stouter-built Sam comes alive with a light load and still feels like I can jump out of the saddle and push hard with a full touring load if need be - it feels great all the time. The AHH has a dead spot for me - I haven't experimented with all the possible configurations, but there's some load at some volume and positioning on the bike that makes the bike feel dead to me - where it feels like a chore to keep it moving. This is somewhere in between a standard commuting load in a saddlebag and a touring load. So - that's my observation, and of course your size/weight/fitness and size/type/distribution of your bike luggage will make this a YMMV situation... the bike will handle the load, it just might not perform to your liking while doing so. -Jeff Lesperance Silver Spring, MD On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Hunter Ellis wrote: > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might > as well dream. > > I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for > a full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in > real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) > > Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! > Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported > long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, > ride across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something > like that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. > > Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or > know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity? > > > Thanks, > Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob > member" Ellis > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
Wow. She's a stunner! Those racks. The passion and thought and care put into her shines forth. Enjoy, René! With abandon, Patrick On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 9:46:51 PM UTC-6, René wrote: > > Thank you so much for all your kind words and sharing your enthusiasm with > me. > > Today was the day indeed! And kudos to those of you who made the correct > guesses and special mention to Jeffrey who was even following Steve Rex's > Instagram photos that I wasn't even aware of. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
Hi Hunter, there is no rule that says no, you can't use an AHH as a loaded tourer. Load it up and go! The only downsides are that the frame will be really flexy with all that weight, and tire size is limited (especially with fenders). But people have gone touring with flexy bikes and skinny tires for the last 120 years, so you'll be fine. The flip side is, if you want a solid bike when you're weighed down, and want some fat tires with fenders, I think you'll feel limited with an AHH. An Atlantis would be the better bike to address those shortcomings. My recommendation would be to get an Atlantis for what you mentioned. If you want the one bike that does it all, that's the way to go. YMMV of course. On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 11:15:06 PM UTC-7, Hunter Ellis wrote: > > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might > as well dream. > > I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for > a full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in > real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) > > Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! > Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported > long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, > ride across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something > like that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. > > Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or > know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity? > > > Thanks, > Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob > member" Ellis > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
What a great narrative! Also mildly inspirational--That whole loosing weight thing was wonderfully wrapped in all the shop-talking. Not everyone can write in such detail without loosing focus. That's the kind of post that can help others figure out what the bike search process is like. Thanks! Oh, and that's a fantastic bike. Cogratulations! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
Rene, that's a great story and it looks like a truly magnificent bike. I've enjoyed watching the long version of your story over the years. I'm also a huge fan of Steve Rex' work. It's extremely likely that I will be a customer of his in the future. Don't tell me your address, or I might sneak over and start hanging parts on it before the paint hardens. 😛😛 Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
Atlantis, Appaloosa, and Samuel Hillborne all fall squarely in the space you describe, as intended by Rivendell. Homer *can* do a loaded tour, just as a Quickbeam *can*. (I don't own a Homer, but have a QB, and they are somewhat similar in their country road intentions and lightness). But it's underbiking and will have the bike defining the experience more than flowing through it, if it is anything like when I underbike my Quickbeam on single track. Underbiking is a fantastic exercise in increasing bike confidence and handling skills, but I do not recommend intentionally underbuying for your primary stated purpose. Much like you, in 2012 I was seeking "the one bike to rule them all." I described my version of what I was hoping to do to Grant (touring, much as yours is). Grant strongly urged me to go Hunqapillar, and I am delighted he did. My "touring" ended up being primary remote backroad and singletrack bikepacking and similar day rides, plus grocery getting. After a few years, I got a "go fast" QB to compliment my riding and have a second bike for whenever the "one" is down. They are both beloved and near essential. I can't speak to the Homer's fork, but I notice a lot of flex with the QB's fork and it is clear on steep braking on trails that I am underbiking (in case 38 mm tires over rocks and roots weren't enough. Grin.). I would be very hesitant to do anything other than credit card touring on my QB (and that I wouldn't hesitate to do at all, if I did that type of touring). All a very meandoneering way of saying buy a bike that centers on your intended purpose. It is made to perform brilliantly there. You will find it capable of doing a wide variety besides, but may eventually find joy in getting an AHH or Rodeo to compliment it. Grin. Thus, focus your dream, by possibly eventually expanding it to two bikes, and delight in a touring bike and all the wonders it offers along the way. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 12:15:06 AM UTC-6, Hunter Ellis wrote: > > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might > as well dream. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
Beautiful bike!! Love the color you chose and the proportions and craftsmanship are superb! Congrats!! On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 10:59:03 AM UTC-5, René wrote: > > Hi all, > > The day has arrived. I'm driving to Sacramento later this morning to pick > up my custom low trail 650b lugged steel fendered and racked custom. > > Will post photos and a short update later. I'll be building the whole bike > but will take my sweet time to enjoy it. I will also likely let the paint > fully cure, as expressed in a separate thread. > > Hopefully the group will still enjoy this, but if it's too far out from > the RBW spirit of this forum, I'll be very happy not to do these postings. > It's just that for me, this bike epitomizes everything I've learned and > experienced since that very first day when I visited RBW HQ and drove home > with my Homer. > > René > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
Sometimes the people at Riv have given me differing and/or opposing advice depending on who I spoke to. You might consider calling Riv and asking to speak to Grant. Ask him if he has a few minutes and make sure he's having a good day. Sometimes he's grouchy. Tell him you're interested in the AHH. Tell him what kind of roads you plan on riding, and what kinds of touring you want to do, and how much you plan on carrying. Ask him for his recommendation on how to carry those loads: front vs back, panniers vs saddlebag vs basket or front bag. Then weigh what you hear from Grant against what AHH owners here have to say. And ride one in your size if you can and see how the Homer feels to you. I believe I've seen photos of Homers with child seats on the back posted by someone here in the group. John On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 11:15:06 PM UTC-7, Hunter Ellis wrote: > > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might > as well dream. > > I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for > a full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in > real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) > > Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! > Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported > long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, > ride across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something > like that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. > > Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or > know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity? > > > Thanks, > Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob > member" Ellis > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
I really love the design and construction of the racks in particular - those really do add a special custom-bike flair to an elegant and beautiful bike. And the clean lines afforded by all the little details you specified - the internal routing, the SON SL hub - make this a very purposeful, well-planned bike. If Steve Rex hadn't already been on my short list of custom builders, he'd've been added immediately. Very nice work indeed, and a great write-up of the story leading up to it. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTTry Soma Gator Bar
I believe I have a Gator bar at home. I'll check and let you know if you're still interested. On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 7:44:40 AM UTC-7, Conway Bennett wrote: > > Anyone have a gently used Gator Bar they're wanting to part with? I'm > doing some h'bar experimenting and would like to test out dirt drops. > Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
I would make sure you are completely comfortable with the tire size you can fit with fenders under the center pulls. That is, by far, the most limiting factor and I think that's what Grant would say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] AHH For Loaded Touring?
Everything David said and showed a picture of about people having fun touring with non-perfect bikes. I'd also like to request more info. Your original post mentions wanting an AHH but expresses concern about the AHH not being as good for touring as the Atlantis, Hunq, or Joe Appaloosa. So what is your plan for the bike overall that is causing you to prefer AHH in the first place? There are many reasons to desire that bike. I actually think, taking all kinds of riding into account, it's the best bike ever made. If the statement you're saying to yourself is, "I can compromise a bit when using my AHH for touring, because for these things: _ , the AHH is the ideal choice." If you have specific things to fill in the blank there, then I would guess the AHH is phenomenal. If not, and you know you're gonna do overnighters a lot, then Atlantis, Hunq, or Joe should be calling to you. FWIW, for my favorite bike activity now, which is to explore new cities and nearby country by bike with a couple nights out, I think the Hunqapillar is the best bike ever made. How strongly have you considered Joe Appaloosa? Amazing deal with incredible versatility and certainly ready for touring. Maybe too stout? Depends on what you have filled into the blank above. Takes bigger tires than AHH, I'm guessing. Have fun, Jim W. P.S. If you have any inkling that you'll want bigger tires as life goes on, get the bike that fits them now. The cases of people saying, "oh back when I bought it, I didn't know how much I like big tire room" are countless. OTOH, those people seem to have fun getting another bike as well. P.P.S. If I were in your shoes and my reason for favoring the AHH in my shopping were based on aesthetics as opposed to intended uses, then that would be good enough for me! P.P.P.S. I have a Sam Hillborne (2TT) that I sometimes load up for overnighters instead of the Hunq. An advantage that it has over the Hunq is based on its sidepull brakes. I usually use the huge Sackville saddlebag, and it's a bit of extra engineering to keep that bag from contacting the cantilever brake cable on the Hunqapillar, whereas the same bag on the Hillborne with its sidepulls is something I don't have to think about. If you're thinking center pulls on an AHH, I'm not sure if you'll have a potential for this sort of cable interference, because I've never used center pulls. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Hunter Ellis wrote: > > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might as > well dream. > > I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for a > full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in > real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) > > Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! > Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported > long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, ride > across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something like > that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. > > Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or > know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity? > > > Thanks, > Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob > member" Ellis > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Escape to Rampart Reservoir
Thanks for the link; Amazon! Don't even need to get out of bed to order! On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Drivin' it like you stole it, aye? Grin. No worries. We'll ride again! > > Oh, how I love this rosary! My ogre fingers get lost on smaller rosaries, > swallowing up two or three beads and who knows where I am, and I can't tell > when I'm done with a decade and enter into the contemplation and "Whoah!" > all of a sudden I'm back to the crucifix off ramp wondering "what happened > to the other four mysteries?! I went 44 beads over!" Sardonic grin. This > one has "Even a moron like me can tell when it's the end of a decade!" > sized Our Father beads. I beeswaxed them, then prayed with them to melt it > in, then repeat it every now an again. Good and hearty and ogre-sized! It > even put up with me breaking it in by stretching it out a wee bit so there > was play in each decade to move the beads a wee bit. > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016HM1HXI/ref=oh_aui_ > search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 3:04:18 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Patrick: I wax nostalgic for last year's RR ride (though I must say that >> my dirt skills are far more appropriate to dirt roads and easy paths than >> to any technical stuff). I am sorry I couldn't ride with you again this >> year; I just did a very quick up and back drive to Co Springs to pick up >> Catie, but schedule and circs allowed only a single overnight before the >> return. >> >> What's the source for your wooden rosary? I ordered one from Amazon, and >> it did not live up to expectations. >> >> Patrick "380 miles d-to-d in under 5 hours both ways, in a rental" Moore >> >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: >> >>> Rather than start another thread for what was just a leg stretcher of a >>> day ride, here are today's shots. Cloudy, deliciously cool at 50˚F, and >>> some amazing views of Pikes Peak. Wild flowers are going ... wild! For a >>> summer's Friday, the cool and clouds kept the lowlanders away so it was >>> wondrously quiet. My brain is still recovering from Wednesday's "rush hour" >>> return on the "Quickbeam jaunt," so I played it conservative and didn't >>> ride much of the single track, just a wee bit around the reservoir to where >>> the trail gets fun. Nope. Brain's not doing well enough for so much fun, so >>> had a pipe and a prayer at the border of fun. Grin. Though, I somehow >>> managed to have a blast this side of fun's boundary. Funny how that can >>> work. Grin. >>> >>> Start here and work you way to the right... >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/28789254205/in/a >>> lbum-72157666852892563/ >>> >>> With abandon, >>> Patrick >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. >> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. >> Other professional writing services. >> http://www.resumespecialties.com/ >> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten >> >> >> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a >> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and >> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu >> >> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the >> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto >> >> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart >> >> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle >> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten ** ** *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless cen
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
It's nice to give people the benefit of the doubt. I reject a statement that characterizes an individual, given limited information about the circumstances. > On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:23 AM, > > Sometimes he's grouchy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jones on the trade/sale block so I can get a Riv
I think alot of Riv fans would like a Jones Plus. Long chainstays (48cm+), Shallow seat angle (71 degrees), low bottom bracket (76-88mm BB drop), long wheelbase (almost 1200cm) and the ability to run fat tires (up to 3"). Plus it's made of steel. All things that contribute to Rivendells being Rivendells. I would love to try a Jones Diamond & a Jones Plus. Someday I'm going to upgrade from my Karate Monkey and those two plus the Surly ECR are my current top choices. On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 10:33:15 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote: > > Agree that everyone needs a jones ;). But pictures and a better > description helps. Is this with the truss fork or regular fork? What color? > I'm assuming this is not the plus version? What tire sizes are on there > now? etc. I already have a Plus and don't need another one, but any > potential buyer would like to see more info. A price goes a long way in > getting people interested in these forums as well, if its a steal I'm sure > someone will bite the bullet on it quickly. I bet there's a lot of Riv > owners who'd love a Jones. > > On another note, why the Jones for a Hunq or Appaloosa? I have both a Hunq > and a Jones plus, I had the Hunq first and then got the Jones for more > technical singletrack trail riding. i love them both and can't imagine > getting rid of either, especially since the Jones plus, although more than > capable of being setup as an all rounder, currently functions as my > dedicated trail bike with 3 inch tubeless tires pumped to ~10 psi (which > suck on the road), crabon rims (i know), and crabon handlebars (yes, i > know, but no regrets), and my hunq is setup as an all rounder. butif i > had the jones first, i'd just get another wheelset and skip the second > bike. you can't beat those Jones loop bars for all rounder purposes. That's > just one reporter's opinion though. > > On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 7:19:40 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: >> >> You guys are crazy. EVERYONE needs a Jones. And I say that with no >> intent of irony or jest whatsoever. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS- 58cm NOS Betty Foy and 50cm Used 94 RB-T
Never ridden or completely built up last official Betty from Riv. $1100 shipped. PayPal preferred. Estate find Bridgestone RB-T $400 PLUS actual shipping. Also PayPal preferred. Sincerely, Ryan Hankinson West Michigan (616)928-4226 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides
Short rides rule! A true blue wee bit of a smidgen of a jaunt. Grin. Well, my 10 mile ride takes an hour, so I'm over by 200%. It is always, always, always a joyous gift to head off, ride a bit of back road, dodge bumble bees, butterflies, rain drops and, sardonically, Walmart workers who smack through gas lines (I'll be recovering from that for the rest of the day). The Quickbeam makes these a delight and it's hard to say why over the Hunqapillar. Sprightly, one gear, silent, springy (is that the planing everyone talks about?). Fortunately, my wife just needed a wee somewhat from the store, so it fit easily in my small SaddleSack. With abandon, Patrick "no honey, I blew through this month's bike budget before my rear hub went wobbly so I can't pick up the big groceries but if it fits in my saddlesack, I can get it for you on my Quickbeam!" On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:55:25 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Grant mentioned this to me a few weeks ago and I thought I'd pass it > along: "A 10 to 30 minute ride is always a good idea." > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
Thank you all for your comments. I'm glad you've also enjoyed the story. Now, I'll be counting the days until September 5 and riding my Atlantis a lot! René On Saturday, August 6, 2016, Jeremy Tavan wrote: > I really love the design and construction of the racks in particular - > those really do add a special custom-bike flair to an elegant and beautiful > bike. And the clean lines afforded by all the little details you specified > - the internal routing, the SON SL hub - make this a very purposeful, > well-planned bike. If Steve Rex hadn't already been on my short list of > custom builders, he'd've been added immediately. Very nice work indeed, and > a great write-up of the story leading up to it. Thanks! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > . > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides
Yes, Patrick, I find that a singlespeed can make a 10-mile ride more interesting. I have a little Dahon folder - technically 2-speed with its SRAM Automatix hub, but it spins into high gear quickly - that I'll sometimes grab for a 10-mile/1-hour jaunt. No shifting, no thinking, it's tough up-hill 'cause high gearing, slow down-hill 'cause spinning out, just ride. It's fun! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
Get an Atlantis. Has canti-posts, can take really fat tires, can take bullet proof touring tires... with fenders. Put Tubus racks on it. Haul what-ever you want. When done... put 38s on it and rocket around town. It's not a sled. It's a great, I'd say, brilliant, bike. I love mine. It's the bomb. Second choice... Sam. Sam will do-all too, but you give up the cantis and better tire selection. There's a reason Atlantis put Riv on the map. It's probably the best designed all rounder bike ever. And don't worry about speed/sporty... it's as fast as you are. Lively too. On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 1:15:06 AM UTC-5, Hunter Ellis wrote: > > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might > as well dream. > > I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for > a full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in > real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) > > Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! > Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported > long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, > ride across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something > like that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. > > Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or > know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity? > > > Thanks, > Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob > member" Ellis > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] AHH For Loaded Touring?
I weigh 172, PBH 80-ish, and my 51cm Appaloosa doesn't have a "stout" feel. I like knowing that I can load it up for camping/touring, but I ride it with a saddlebag and small bar bag. It's beautiful and lively, I bought it based on it felt great on two short test rides. It didn't even occur to me at the time that it's a "touring bike", I just liked it as a bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
Ellis, you have received lots of replies but allow me to add a few more points. I own, among other bikes, an early 63 cm version of the Saluki, which is the frame that the AHH grew out of. If memory serves me right the AHH was originally introduced in the larger sizes in 700C and the Saluki remained the smaller 650B offering. Mine is 650B. The Saluki is noticeably heavier and stiffer than my Ramboulliet. I would not hesitate to use it for "loaded touring", unless perhaps I was headed for Tierra Del Fuego, in which case I would want at least an Atlantis, or maybe a Comotion Americano. The Saluki is much more of an All Arounder and I suspect the AHH is too. I think you would find it more responsive and more fun for everday commuting and club riding. My Saluki currently has the 41mm Fatty Bumbkin tires and Al fenders but it has Paul's Cant Brakes. Our tandem originally had Paul's posted CPs and I loved the action, but they maxed out at a 55 mm fender and 38 mm tire. I understand that the Compass brakes exceed that but I think that in the long run you will have more options and more success with good canti brakes than any other choice. Michael On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 2:15:06 AM UTC-4, Hunter Ellis wrote: > > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might > as well dream. > > I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for > a full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in > real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) > > Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! > Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported > long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, > ride across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something > like that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. > > Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or > know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity? > > > Thanks, > Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob > member" Ellis > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: In praise of mid-trail bikes with decaleur-less rando bags
53 Bleriot with VO Randonneur front rack and Berthoud GB25 bag rides great. Even on 18% climb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
Is it just a touring bike with centerpull posts that is in question? I assume rivendell can put centerpull posts on most of their bikes for a fee. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Jones on the trade/sale block so I can get a Riv
I hope someone buys it. Preferably someone in the bay area so we can Jones it up. I was very skeptical of the one size fits all frame size (I think they have 2 sizes now) but my 24" frame fits my 80PBH fine and it handles really well on technical terrain. On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 10:16:56 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: > > I think alot of Riv fans would like a Jones Plus. Long chainstays > (48cm+), Shallow seat angle (71 degrees), low bottom bracket (76-88mm BB > drop), long wheelbase (almost 1200cm) and the ability to run fat tires (up > to 3"). Plus it's made of steel. All things that contribute to Rivendells > being Rivendells. > > I would love to try a Jones Diamond & a Jones Plus. Someday I'm going to > upgrade from my Karate Monkey and those two plus the Surly ECR are my > current top choices. > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 10:33:15 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote: >> >> Agree that everyone needs a jones ;). But pictures and a better >> description helps. Is this with the truss fork or regular fork? What color? >> I'm assuming this is not the plus version? What tire sizes are on there >> now? etc. I already have a Plus and don't need another one, but any >> potential buyer would like to see more info. A price goes a long way in >> getting people interested in these forums as well, if its a steal I'm sure >> someone will bite the bullet on it quickly. I bet there's a lot of Riv >> owners who'd love a Jones. >> >> On another note, why the Jones for a Hunq or Appaloosa? I have both a >> Hunq and a Jones plus, I had the Hunq first and then got the Jones for more >> technical singletrack trail riding. i love them both and can't imagine >> getting rid of either, especially since the Jones plus, although more than >> capable of being setup as an all rounder, currently functions as my >> dedicated trail bike with 3 inch tubeless tires pumped to ~10 psi (which >> suck on the road), crabon rims (i know), and crabon handlebars (yes, i >> know, but no regrets), and my hunq is setup as an all rounder. butif i >> had the jones first, i'd just get another wheelset and skip the second >> bike. you can't beat those Jones loop bars for all rounder purposes. That's >> just one reporter's opinion though. >> >> On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 7:19:40 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote: >>> >>> You guys are crazy. EVERYONE needs a Jones. And I say that with no >>> intent of irony or jest whatsoever. >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
Rene -- congratulations; very nice! I particularly like the minimalist rear "rack" -- I wish I'd thought of this arrangement for one of my bikes. I didn't see the chain hangar; can you describe? I had little capital letter "L's" brazed to the upper 3d of my right chainstays, to support the chain when the wheel is out of the frame. Better, IMO, than the otherwise very elegant little "lip" on the right chainstay of another bike, since these hold the chain higher and thus out of the dirt. I'll be very interested to see the final build. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
I have a AHH with Dia Comp 750 centerpulls, 650B and Hetres with fenders. I don’t see any limitation in the bike other than what I decide. David > On Aug 6, 2016, at 3:50 PM, drew wrote: > > Is it just a touring bike with centerpull posts that is in question? I assume > rivendell can put centerpull posts on most of their bikes for a fee. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: fs: Carradice Nelson Longflap + Pitlock set
Both are now sold!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: 10-30 minute rides
Since my health began going up and down, I've come to really appreciate those short rides, especially on the days they're all I can manage. Any day I can ride a bicycle becomes a better day. Here's to many more better days for everyone --Cheers! Beth in pdx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
That bike is so damned good looking I'd just have him whip up one more and have it on the wall as art. Jealous, Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
Holy bike grail, René. Not just yours. Objectified with a capital O. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 11:46:51 PM UTC-4, René wrote: > > Thank you so much for all your kind words and sharing your enthusiasm with > me. > > Today was the day indeed! And kudos to those of you who made the correct > guesses and special mention to Jeffrey who was even following Steve Rex's > Instagram photos that I wasn't even aware of. > > Yes, Steve Rex is the creator of my custom bike and yes Jeffrey, it is > that silver frame with the chrome lugs he posted! > > Here is my initial set of photos, as I know most of you want to see it > before reading anything more: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157672057814225 > > Steve confirmed that I should let the bike sit for a month so the paint > can "harden", to avoid easily damaging it. So there will be a lot of > contemplation and some minor work before fully beginning to build the bike. > I did the same for the other two bikes that Rick from D&D painted and am > very happy I waited. > > To understand how I "evolved" into this bike, here is a long summary... > > After discovering the benefits of the RBW bike design and philosophy via > the acquisition of my A. Homer Hilsen, the opportunities seemed to expand > and I went for a Bombadil that I liked very much but felt was too large for > me as I was set in using drop bars; it would have been fine with upright > rearward bars. Sold it and got the Atlantis and later the Hunqapillar to > replace the Bombadil. Silly of me, I could have gotten a smaller Bombadil > with 650b wheels, but was set on having all bikes with 700c wheels so I > could swap wheels as needed. (There is so much you are set on and later > discover how wrong you were...). > > Somewhere in there, since I was hovering around 280 lbs and considered > myself too heavy for the Homer, I was riding the Atlantis and the > Hunqapillar and going through all sort of tweaks with fit, handlebars, > saddles and racks, trying to find a comfortable position as I was having > lots of pain in my neck, hands, feet and butt and couldn't really do any > long rides without having a lot of pain. It was much worse before when I > rode the "racing" geometry, but though it improved, it didn't go away. The > Homer and the Atlantis are 61cm and the Hunqapillar was 58. > > I then decided to get a Betty in size 58 whereas RBW recommended the 60/61 > for me, but my excuse was to get it for my daughters and still fit me even > if a tiny small. Here's what happened: My daughters never rode it and I > found it fit me perfectly! Additionally, I loved how it handled with its > 650b wheels, even more than how the other 700c bikes handled. > > In parallel, I had been experiencing shimmy on the Atlantis primarily with > the classic RBW rear loading and didn't like it at all. I also didn't like > the toe overlap, which was more pronounced on the Homer at slow speeds. > Reading about shimmy, I discovered a post where someone wrote that he > addressed the shimmy in his Atlantis with a low trail fork. Investigating > what this meant, I discovered BQ and Jan Heine, and decided to have custom > low trail (40mm) forks made for the Atlantis and the Hunqapillar. > > I immediately loved how those bikes improved their handling, especially > with front loads with the low trail forks, and was tempted to convert the > Homer and the Betty as well, but since I really liked how they rode > unloaded and didn't really need front loading on all my bikes, decided to > wait. > > Go back a bit to getting my Atlantis. I've always loved to work on my > bikes, and with the exception of some actions, such as installing/removing > the headset (which are so occasional I haven't purchased the tools), I > build (put together) my bikes. I even learned how to build wheels and built > a set when I was in Venezuela, but don't have any practice so I have them > built as well. But I do everything else, pretty much. So here I am building > up my new Atlantis when one of the bolts brakes inside the down-tube > braze-on for the shifter (RBW didn't clean them) and when trying to remove > the broken bolt, I pretty much destroyed the braze-on. Luckily, through > some creativity and much cursing, I was able to make the shifter stay on > the braze-on and rode like that for a couple of years. After the low trail > forks were made, since that meant new paint jobs for both the Atlantis and > the Hunqapillar, I asked Keven at RBW to recommend someone to add a new > braze-on and he recommended Steve Rex in Sacramento. > > Move forward in time, I'm on and off the bikes and cannot get really > comfortable on the Hunqapillar, no matter how I configure it. Finally get > on a LCHF diet and start losing weight, and am really thinking hard that I > have too many bikes and too much overlap and I should sell some. > > The downsizing debate consumes me emotionally and
[RBW] A question for Soma San Marcos Owners (V2 in Tiburon blue)
I am considering a San Marcos frame before they are all gone specifically a 54cm frame for 650b wheels and I have a few questions for anyone who might own a version running 650b wheels a version 2 in 57cm or smaller or a version 1 San Marcos in 51cm or smaller: - what model and size of tires are you running? - If you run fenders what type and what size tires do you run with your fenders -the data says the max tire size is 38c but I am wondering if that is with or without tires? - what do you like/dislike about this frame? Thanks Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] A question for Soma San Marcos Owners (V2 in Tiburon blue)
Ryan I have the first version in 51. I have Pari-mottos in 38 I think (sorry I have 8 bikes and I am not home to double check but i think it is 38). I really like the ride of this bike. I have albatross handlebars on it. Very smooth bike. I would highly recommend it. I saw where they were going to stop producing them so I searched for one in my size. I actually prefer the older blue color -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] A question for Soma San Marcos Owners (V2 in Tiburon blue)
Forgot to mention that I do not run day fenders on it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
You guys are all the best and very helpful. I realize it sounds a little silly, but yes, the bottom line is, I want a touring bike with centerpull posts. I just like them, and I like the idea of them. I ride 28's now, which seem wide (I know, I know, I'm working my way up), so 38's sound plenty huge. >From my emails with Vince and Rivendell, it sounds like its more complicated/expensive to REMOVE the canti posts and add centerpull posts. I don't know why exactly, but that's what he said. His suggestion was to add the to the AHH because they don't have any posts already. Honestly, 95% of my riding time will be spent commuting, roaming, exploring, maybe doing a S48O, and basically carrying 5-15 lbs (in addition to my 180 lb self). I just want the OPTION to load it up for 2-3 weeks. I might acquire a VO Campeur before I can afford a Riv, in which case I could save that for dedicated touring and use my Riv as a wannabe Rando/commuter/country bike. I'd liek to be able to take it on some fire roads or even smooth singletrack, not cyclocross style or anything, just exploring-style. I'm also all about touring on "not the right bike," I just don't want to break it :-) The easy thing is just to accept canti brakes, but I just love the idea of centerpulls with posts. It fits more with the "classic road" aesthetic that I want in this baby. One option is to just go all in and get a custom rivendell. Another option is to get centerpull posts brazed on to a hillborne, but they can't do that before they're painted, so it would require a re-paint. Ah the choices. But a million thanks to everyone on here who has given me more to think about. To hijack this thread slightly, what exactly are the experienced differences between the appaloosa, hunq, and atlantis? On Saturday, August 6, 2016 at 1:26:54 PM UTC-7, David Hays wrote: > > I have a AHH with Dia Comp 750 centerpulls, 650B and Hetres with fenders. > I don’t see any limitation in the bike other than what I decide. > David > > > On Aug 6, 2016, at 3:50 PM, drew > > wrote: > > > > Is it just a touring bike with centerpull posts that is in question? I > assume rivendell can put centerpull posts on most of their bikes for a fee. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com . > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > . > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: AHH For Loaded Touring?
Hunter: You mention "... But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported long tours. Does anyone know why?." Rivendell is pretty conservative in their recommendations as to suitability for a particular service. What you describe is right in the Atlantis sweet spot. BUT you have to ask yourself if this is the predominate use for the bike? Lots of people spend the majority of their riding time unloaded, then add 30-40 lbs of gear a few times a year. One bike to do it all is a nice approach. Your weight is not unusual. I'd venture either Homer or Atlantis would work for you. If your heart is set on Homer, you won't regret it. It's always nice to have the "ideal bike" for whatever we're doing at the moment. I've done quite a bit of touring on my Atlantis, and always meet people having at least as much fun on all manner of less than ideal bikes. Converted MTBs, 70s/80s era road bikes with racks fastened with p-clamps, touring bikes, you name it. Homer would actually be more toward the touring end of the scale than lots of bikes I've seen. As they say in Oz, "..she'll do..." dougP On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 11:15:06 PM UTC-7, Hunter Ellis wrote: > > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might > as well dream. > > I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for > a full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in > real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) > > Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! > Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported > long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, > ride across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something > like that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. > > Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or > know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity? > > > Thanks, > Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob > member" Ellis > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] A question for Soma San Marcos Owners (V2 in Tiburon blue)
I bought my girlfriend a 1st generation San Marcos 51 cm, and she loves it. It's her touring and commuting bike. She's pretty light, so she can carry a light touring load without overloading the frame. It's set up with 42 cm Nitto B135 Randonneur bars, a short-extension Nitto stem (6 or 7 cm), and 3 x 10 bar-end shifters. The robin's egg blue pearl of the 1G version is gorgeous. The tiburon blue of later versions is also a great color, and the last models have a fork with a more attractive French bend and more front rack braze-ons. It easily fits 650 x 38 Pari-Motos and SKS P45 fenders. Cheers, Tim Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2016, at 7:51 PM, RoadieRyan wrote: > > I am considering a San Marcos frame before they are all gone specifically a > 54cm frame for 650b wheels and I have a few questions for anyone who might > own a version running 650b wheels a version 2 in 57cm or smaller or a version > 1 San Marcos in 51cm or smaller: > > what model and size of tires are you running? > If you run fenders what type and what size tires do you run with your fenders > -the data says the max tire size is 38c but I am wondering if that is with or > without tires? > what do you like/dislike about this frame? > Thanks > > Ryan > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] AHH For Loaded Touring?
I use a Rivendell Road Standard as my touring bike. Its frame similar to a Rambouillet (its successor). I'm 225 lbs and I've carried ~30 lbs, without it feeling whippy or loose. No problems, but it is definitely happiest with that load in front low-rider panniers. Based on your desired usage, an AHH sounds like a good choice. Capable of touring, but excellent at everything else. Cheers, Tim Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Hunter Ellis wrote: > > Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might as > well dream. > > I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for a > full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in > real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me) > > Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! > Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported > long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, ride > across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something like > that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. > > Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or > know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity? > > > Thanks, > Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob > member" Ellis > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] A question for Soma San Marcos Owners (V2 in Tiburon blue)
650bx42 with fenders. Paul racers. 51cm Tiburon blue version -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: New bike day....for YOU. Large Rosco Bubbe 2 for sale on the blug
But them 65 Clems! You 6'6"+ers have a great bike in that, for cheap, right now! Kenda Kwick's RULE!!, for real.. -Kai Brooklyn NY On Friday, August 5, 2016 at 4:03:11 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > It looks like nine of you can order a big Rosco Bubbe now. That 66cm top > tube is pretty awesome. There are not many bikes in the world that are > longer than that. Some of you 6'6" folks are going to get a sweet bike. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom
René, It looks really nice with some amazing details. Thanks for posting. Tim On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 8:46 PM, René Sterental wrote: > Thank you so much for all your kind words and sharing your enthusiasm with > me. > > Today was the day indeed! And kudos to those of you who made the correct > guesses and special mention to Jeffrey who was even following Steve Rex's > Instagram photos that I wasn't even aware of. > > Yes, Steve Rex is the creator of my custom bike and yes Jeffrey, it is > that silver frame with the chrome lugs he posted! > > Here is my initial set of photos, as I know most of you want to see it > before reading anything more: > https://www.flickr.com/photos/orthie251/albums/72157672057814225 > > Steve confirmed that I should let the bike sit for a month so the paint > can "harden", to avoid easily damaging it. So there will be a lot of > contemplation and some minor work before fully beginning to build the bike. > I did the same for the other two bikes that Rick from D&D painted and am > very happy I waited. > > To understand how I "evolved" into this bike, here is a long summary... > > After discovering the benefits of the RBW bike design and philosophy via > the acquisition of my A. Homer Hilsen, the opportunities seemed to expand > and I went for a Bombadil that I liked very much but felt was too large for > me as I was set in using drop bars; it would have been fine with upright > rearward bars. Sold it and got the Atlantis and later the Hunqapillar to > replace the Bombadil. Silly of me, I could have gotten a smaller Bombadil > with 650b wheels, but was set on having all bikes with 700c wheels so I > could swap wheels as needed. (There is so much you are set on and later > discover how wrong you were...). > > Somewhere in there, since I was hovering around 280 lbs and considered > myself too heavy for the Homer, I was riding the Atlantis and the > Hunqapillar and going through all sort of tweaks with fit, handlebars, > saddles and racks, trying to find a comfortable position as I was having > lots of pain in my neck, hands, feet and butt and couldn't really do any > long rides without having a lot of pain. It was much worse before when I > rode the "racing" geometry, but though it improved, it didn't go away. The > Homer and the Atlantis are 61cm and the Hunqapillar was 58. > > I then decided to get a Betty in size 58 whereas RBW recommended the 60/61 > for me, but my excuse was to get it for my daughters and still fit me even > if a tiny small. Here's what happened: My daughters never rode it and I > found it fit me perfectly! Additionally, I loved how it handled with its > 650b wheels, even more than how the other 700c bikes handled. > > In parallel, I had been experiencing shimmy on the Atlantis primarily with > the classic RBW rear loading and didn't like it at all. I also didn't like > the toe overlap, which was more pronounced on the Homer at slow speeds. > Reading about shimmy, I discovered a post where someone wrote that he > addressed the shimmy in his Atlantis with a low trail fork. Investigating > what this meant, I discovered BQ and Jan Heine, and decided to have custom > low trail (40mm) forks made for the Atlantis and the Hunqapillar. > > I immediately loved how those bikes improved their handling, especially > with front loads with the low trail forks, and was tempted to convert the > Homer and the Betty as well, but since I really liked how they rode > unloaded and didn't really need front loading on all my bikes, decided to > wait. > > Go back a bit to getting my Atlantis. I've always loved to work on my > bikes, and with the exception of some actions, such as installing/removing > the headset (which are so occasional I haven't purchased the tools), I > build (put together) my bikes. I even learned how to build wheels and built > a set when I was in Venezuela, but don't have any practice so I have them > built as well. But I do everything else, pretty much. So here I am building > up my new Atlantis when one of the bolts brakes inside the down-tube > braze-on for the shifter (RBW didn't clean them) and when trying to remove > the broken bolt, I pretty much destroyed the braze-on. Luckily, through > some creativity and much cursing, I was able to make the shifter stay on > the braze-on and rode like that for a couple of years. After the low trail > forks were made, since that meant new paint jobs for both the Atlantis and > the Hunqapillar, I asked Keven at RBW to recommend someone to add a new > braze-on and he recommended Steve Rex in Sacramento. > > Move forward in time, I'm on and off the bikes and cannot get really > comfortable on the Hunqapillar, no matter how I configure it. Finally get > on a LCHF diet and start losing weight, and am really thinking hard that I > have too many bikes and too much overlap and I should sell some. > > The downsizing debate consumes me emotionally and I decide I need to > choose between the Atlantis and the Hunqapillar since th
