Everything David said and showed a picture of about people having fun touring 
with non-perfect bikes.

I'd also like to request more info. Your original post mentions wanting an AHH 
but expresses concern about the AHH not being as good for touring as the 
Atlantis, Hunq, or Joe Appaloosa. 

So what is your plan for the bike overall that is causing you to prefer AHH in 
the first place? There are many reasons to desire that bike. I actually think, 
taking all kinds of riding into account, it's the best bike ever made. If the 
statement you're saying to yourself is, "I can compromise a bit when using my 
AHH for touring, because for these things: _________________ , the AHH is the 
ideal choice." If you have specific things to fill in the blank there, then I 
would guess the AHH is phenomenal. If not, and you know you're gonna do 
overnighters a lot, then Atlantis, Hunq, or Joe should be calling to you.

FWIW, for my favorite bike activity now, which is to explore new cities and 
nearby country by bike with a couple nights out, I think the Hunqapillar is the 
best bike ever made.

How strongly have you considered Joe Appaloosa? Amazing deal with incredible 
versatility and certainly ready for touring. Maybe too stout? Depends on what 
you have filled into the blank above. Takes bigger tires than AHH, I'm guessing.

Have fun,
Jim W.

P.S. If you have any inkling that you'll want bigger tires as life goes on, get 
the bike that fits them now. The cases of people saying, "oh back when I bought 
it, I didn't know how much I like big tire room" are countless. OTOH, those 
people seem to have fun getting another bike as well.

P.P.S. If I were in your shoes and my reason for favoring the AHH in my 
shopping were based on aesthetics as opposed to intended uses, then that would 
be good enough for me!

P.P.P.S. I have a Sam Hillborne (2TT) that I sometimes load up for overnighters 
instead of the Hunq. An advantage that it has over the Hunq is based on its 
sidepull brakes. I usually use the huge Sackville saddlebag, and it's a bit of 
extra engineering to keep that bag from contacting the cantilever brake cable 
on the Hunqapillar, whereas the same bag on the Hillborne with its sidepulls is 
something I don't have to think about. If you're thinking center pulls on an 
AHH, I'm not sure if you'll have a potential for this sort of cable 
interference, because I've never used center pulls. 

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> On Aug 5, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Hunter Ellis <hunterfryel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys--looking at a future dream bike, and since I'm dreaming, I might as 
> well dream. 
> 
> I want a Rivendell bike that I can use for touring, don't want to pay for a 
> full custom job, and I want center-pull braze-ons (I am flexible in 
> real-life, but since this is a dream...indulge me)
> 
> Riv can affordably add Centerpull mounts to the AHH, but that's it. Great! 
> Problem solved. But...Riv says the AHH isn't suitable for "self supported 
> long tours." Does anyone know why? I want a bike that I could, someday, ride 
> across the country, or put a baby in a seat on the back, or something like 
> that. I want to carry 30-40 pounds, not 40-60. I weigh 180. 
> 
> Has anyone toured with their AHH, or know what its capable of carrying, or 
> know why Riv has relatively stringent limits on its carrying capacity?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Hunter "wants to be a iRBW Owners' Bunch member but is really only an iBob 
> member" Ellis
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