[RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

[Fullylugged]

RBW called it "yellowish green"  It is slightly iridescent as well. A nice 
color. 

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:
>
> That's one the original runs of salukis before they changed the decals to 
> script. Was that from the second batch? The first batch were kind of a 
> sage/pea green stock color.

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Re: [RBW] Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Fullylugged]

Taiwan was a solution for the rising cost of Japanese frames. Currency 
values wrecked havoc on RBW's cash flow and were mentioned several times in 
GP's op ed bits. Toyo and Waterford were presented as equals, quality wise. 
Toyo forks or toyo supervised forks were used on Taiwan frames, iirc. 

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 8:57:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 07/03/2015 09:43 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: 
> > Ah, you make a good point about frame details. If both frames were 
> > being produced today, the Toyo-built Ram would be a good deal more 
> > expensive than the Taiwan Bleriot. The cream/white fills are more 
> > accurate on the Ram, too. Money buys details. 
>
> In fact, the Toyo-built Saluki was a good deal more expensive back then 
> than the Taiwan Bleriot. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Toyo Frame

[Matt B.]

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 10:07:21 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> I thought it was really interesting because it used two types of joining: 
> the lug and the fillet braze.  I have never seen that before.
>
>

it is sometimes called partial bi-laminate construction

 

> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 7:21:23 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Gosh that's beautiful!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/04/2015 01:36 AM, James Warren wrote:

I remember the first batches not having one color; buyers had many choices. The 
only stock color it ever had was the butterscotch, and that came later.


There was a stock color that I called "baby poo green."


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[RBW] A. Homer Hilsen and Atlantis on the road to Hawk Mountain (pictures)

[Iron Rider]

 A link to some pictures taken on a trip to Hawk Mountain in Pennsylvania: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/58781331@N07/sets/72157655440348555

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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen and Atlantis on the road to Hawk Mountain (pictures)

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Just beautiful! Americas heartland! I grew up in Ohio and miss those 
farming communities..and of course the sweet corn! Thanks for sharing.
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>  A link to some pictures taken on a trip to Hawk Mountain in Pennsylvania: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58781331@N07/sets/72157655440348555
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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen and Atlantis on the road to Hawk Mountain (pictures)

[Surlyprof]

I love that area.  My friend has Pine Creek Pottery on a farm at the base 
of Hawk Mountain (http://www.willisingleton.com/).  I used to go there to 
help out with his insane 2-3 day wood-fired kiln firings.  What a great a 
community.  Thanks for posting the photos.

John

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>  A link to some pictures taken on a trip to Hawk Mountain in Pennsylvania: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/58781331@N07/sets/72157655440348555
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[RBW] Re: Friday Headlands Ride?

[Surlyprof]

Sorry you missed us, Dan.  Clayton lead us on a nice range of trails.  Only 
fell on my head once!

John

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 1:37:02 PM UTC-7, danmc wrote:
>
> Sorry I missed you all - got there about 20 mins late. Struggled to get 
> the RnR tires on the backup wheel set with Synergy rims. No surprise. 
>
> It was nice out there today. 
>
> Dan 
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Clayton Scott  > wrote: 
> > 
> > Good times. 
> > 
> > Here a link to the pics 
> > 
> > https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/claytonesseff/ 
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[RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

[Kellie]

Here's the pea green. 10 y/o Saluki, 50cm




On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 4:27:31 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
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> That's one the original runs of salukis before they changed the decals to 
> script. Was that from the second batch? The first batch were kind of a 
> sage/pea green stock color.

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[RBW] Re: Altus rear derailer = upgrade from DeerHead

[Beth H]

I have loved the Altus derailleur forever. An older version is on my 
city-fied MB-4, and I'm saving the other one for the rebuild of my 
All-Rounder. They were never flashy but they've always worked.
Beth in ODX

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 11:58:24 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My 1980s Schwinn Paramountain had a 13-30 six speed freewheel.  It's a 
> really nice Shimano 600 freewheel, but the 13 and the 15 were toast.  It 
> was like the original owner only used the 13 and the 15.  You know the 
> type.  So, I set the limit screw on my Shimano Deer Head rear derailer to 
> make my bike a 3x4.  
>
> Then David Banzer was selling some nice freewheels, and I picked up a 
> 13-34 Suntour Winner Pro 5sp freewheel from him.  
>
> Put on the freewheel and the Deerhead wouldn't take the 34.  Not even 
> close.  So, I put on an Altus from Riv.  Not only did the Altus take the 34 
> like a champ, but it shifts WAY better than the Deerhead ever did.  The 
> Deerhead derailer is definitely old, but it's not loose, floppy, bent.  I 
> attribute the difference to the unambiguous design flaw that the Deerhead 
> does not have a slant parallelogram, but the Altus does.  The Deerhead has 
> a drop parallelogram.  
>
> Anyway, besides the fact that the Altus is humorously heavy, and besides 
> the fact that the pulley bushings come bone dry (I lubed them), it is a 
> really great and really cheap rear derailer.  Anybody running friction 
> shifting should give it a chance.  I have no comment on running it indexed. 
>  There is something to be said about letting Shimano take a design to 
> absolute full maturity and then let it trickle down to the very cheapest 
> model.  The Altus is that.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> P.S.  Let me know if you are nostalgic and want my deerhead rear der.  I'm 
> keeping the deerhead front, for a couple reasons.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Frame

[Eric Norris]

Some Alex Singers were made that way. Here's mine:

https://flic.kr/p/rmZtgF 

Eric N
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> On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Matt B.  wrote:
> 
>> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 10:07:21 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>> I thought it was really interesting because it used two types of joining: 
>> the lug and the fillet braze.  I have never seen that before.
> 
> 
> it is sometimes called partial bi-laminate construction
> 
>  
>>> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 7:21:23 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>>> Gosh that's beautiful!
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[RBW] I was turning left this morning

[Ron Mc]

in a 20 mph zone - a guy crossed the double yellow line accelerating to 
twice the speed limit and turned right in front of me
glad my mirror was working
I scratched the front of my helmet without using my index finger

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[RBW] Re: New Olive ACW Mugs, new coffee? What kind of coffee/gear do you take on the bike?

[Pondero]

Coffee rides are probably my favorite rides, and I do these so often I have 
a rotation of gear that I use...for the sake of variety...

Bike: Atlantis, Hilsen, or Quickbeam
Bag: Carradice Barley, Carradice Low Saddle Long Flap, Saddlesack
Coffee: Usually dark roasts (low acid) from various sources
Stove: Trangia
Grinder: Porlex
Ignition: Kitchen matches, but I'd like to up my game here
Brewer: Bialetti Moka, AeroPress, Pourover
Mug: ACW, custom "Pondero" gift mug from my daughter
Accoutrements: Small plastic bottle to hold fuel.  Also "Life is a 
Beautiful Ride" with bicycle graphic hand-towel from my other daughter. 
Bandanna. Pocket knife. 
Food: Sweets, often its Pop Tarts (not proud of this), but sometimes I'll 
pickup a couple of donuts along the way.
Comfort: Occasionally I'll take the hammock if my brew-up spot has trees.
NEED: Some way to make iced coffee for blazing summer rides

Looking forward to seeing other's approaches to this.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] I was turning left this morning

[WETH]

Ron,
Glad your ok.  The impatience of drivers is shocking.  When I get overtaken on 
my bike in a dangerous/reckless manner, karma often lets me catch-up at a 
traffic light.  "Somehow" one of my bike lights switch to strobe mode and is 
readjusted into their rear view mirror! :)
Stay safe and alert.
Erl

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[RBW] New Olive ACW Mugs, new coffee? What kind of coffee/gear do you take on the bike?

['Hudson Doerge' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been very happy with my coffee set up and feel it's pretty dialed for my 
uses. 

Bike: Elephant NFE or Simpleone
Cookset: snowpeak stove, pot, spork, and double wall mug
Brewer: aeropress with able reusable filter
Grinder: porlex minimill, love this thing. 
Coffee: pretty much changes weekly based on what's fresh from mostly local 
roasteries. 
Bags: swift ozette xl or wald basket with shopsack and a super sweet sea to 
summit packing cell that fits everything perfectly. 
Extras: bandana, phone timer

Hudson in atx. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Frame

[Don Compton]

Wow, what a find.
Congratulation

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 8:13:54 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Some Alex Singers were made that way. Here's mine:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/rmZtgF 
>
> Eric N
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>
> On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Matt B. > 
> wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 10:07:21 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> I thought it was really interesting because it used two types of joining: 
>> the lug and the fillet braze.  I have never seen that before.
>>
>>
>
> it is sometimes called partial bi-laminate construction
>
>  
>
>> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 7:21:23 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>>>
>>> Gosh that's beautiful!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

[James Warren]

Thank you. I remembered incorrectly. So many of you original buyers at the time 
did such a good job taking Riv up on their offer to paint in other colors that 
it erased my memory of a default color. And that pea sage is a beaut as well. 
And so is the butterscotch. In fact, I've never seen a Saluki in a color that's 
anything but excellent.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 3, 2015, at 10:54 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Hi Jim, I have one of the very first run myself, and so I can verify that 
> there was a stock color sage/pea soup green--but so many came in unpainted 
> that folks very often got to choose their own color or got them perhaps 
> before Riv chose the color. I went with Riv red and canti's, not centerpulls 
> (see recent tweedster post for a photo) . The butterscotch  color came with 
> the script decals. I still though have a question about whether there was a 
> run of silvers before the butterscotches. I know there was a last run of 
> silver QB's, but when I saw this silver saluki it jogged my foggy memory.  
> Anyway, yes, Salukis are the mark for the 650B (along with the Wilbury and 
> Glorious).
> 
> I hope this beautiful and beautifully built up bike finds a good home!
> 
> Liesl
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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Frame

[Wayne Naha]

Man, that is beautiful.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 11:13:54 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
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> Some Alex Singers were made that way. Here's mine:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/rmZtgF 
>
> Eric N
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>
> On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Matt B. > 
> wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 10:07:21 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> I thought it was really interesting because it used two types of joining: 
>> the lug and the fillet braze.  I have never seen that before.
>>
>>
>
> it is sometimes called partial bi-laminate construction
>
>  
>
>> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 7:21:23 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>>>
>>> Gosh that's beautiful!
>>
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[RBW] Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Deacon Patrick]

No ride too small! I’ve been recovering this week from the brain overload and 
adrenaline cycles of rifle shots on last Saturday’s ride. It sure was a 
blessing to get out on today’s recovery ride of 8 miles, as well as get to blow 
past the poor folks in line two miles back from the Pikes Peak Highway gate 
(4th of July is a big day for them, America’s Mountain, where America the 
Beautiful was written).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/19404757762/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[WETH]

Patrick,
Glad you're back riding. Selfishly, I have missed your photos in my Flickr 
stream.
I hope today's fireworks don't cause you trouble. Folks in my neighborhood have 
been setting them off all week. I have a dog who responds vocally and loudly to 
fireworks.  It's been a long week and I expect a long night.
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Liesl]

Same here Patrick hope the fireworks don't clobber you. Perhaps a thunder shirt 
for humans? (;

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

[Bruce Herbitter]

The bar tape is a great contrast. Came out very nicely Kellie. Hope you
pedal many enjoyable miles on it.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Kellie  wrote:

> Here's the pea green. 10 y/o Saluki, 50cm
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 4:27:31 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> That's one the original runs of salukis before they changed the decals to
>> script. Was that from the second batch? The first batch were kind of a
>> sage/pea green stock color.
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[RBW] Re: Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Deacon Patrick]

Sorry to disappoint, Erl, I've been climbing out a pit for a while. I'm 
hoping to get back out there in earnest soon.

Ha, Liesl! no worries on fireworks in recent years for budget and fire 
danger reasons. That may change again one of these years. Interestingly, 
thunder is a wondrous feeling to have rolling through me (we have a 
glorious boomer pelting us now, dropping us from 81˚F to 55˚F.).

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: sf-la ride report, gear review

[Philip Williamson]

If Doug writes that book, I'll edit it and lay it out for print.
That could be an interesting app, right? A guide book that could update in real 
time based on community feedback. People would probably buy it who would never 
actually do the ride.
Photos, nearby tourists, current conditions... 
Maybe it's just a blog, or an Instagram hashtag, 

Maybe it's just an idea.
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Dave Johnston]

I have a 56cm Ram and a 57cm Bleriot with similar drop bar setups. I had 
28mm tires on the Ram and have pari-moto 38mm tires on the Bleriot. Once I 
got the Bleriot up and running I basically stopped riding the Ram. The 
Pari-motos are so smooth and fast so the extra width doesn't seem to be a 
disadvantage. The Bleriot has an ultralight Tubas Luna rear rack while the 
Ram is rackless so sometimes the ability to hall more stuff swings me to 
use that bike as well.

answers
1. Ram is a bit quicker handling but both feel great. I actually prefer the 
more mellow handling of the Bleriot.
2. 700c Ram has toeclip overlap. 650b Bleriot does not.
3. Never ran either with a front load, other than one of the small acorn 
barsacks, and I don't notice that bag.

-Dave

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>
> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b 
> Bleriot?
>
> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
>

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[RBW] Re: Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[dougP]

Years ago I recall reading an article entitled "In Praise of the Short 
Ride" or similar.  It was a counterpoint to the notion that one had to 
pound out some serious miles to benefit from cycling.  Even a single digit 
ride can be refreshing, invigorating and generally head clearing.  Just 
riding is worth just doing.

dougP

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> No ride too small! I’ve been recovering this week from the brain overload 
> and adrenaline cycles of rifle shots on last Saturday’s ride. It sure was a 
> blessing to get out on today’s recovery ride of 8 miles, as well as get to 
> blow past the poor folks in line two miles back from the Pikes Peak Highway 
> gate (4th of July is a big day for them, America’s Mountain, where America 
> the Beautiful was written).
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/19404757762/in/dateposted-public/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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Re: [RBW] Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Patrick Moore]

Welcome back. +100 on short rides: that's about all I do.

What exactly defines "short"? I say under 30 miles. Opinions?

Patrick Moore, who just got back from a very pleasant 19 mile short ride
after getting pleasantly lost in the bosque.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> No ride too small! I’ve been recovering this week from the brain overload
> and adrenaline cycles of rifle shots on last Saturday’s ride. It sure was a
> blessing to get out on today’s recovery ride of 8 miles, as well as get to
> blow past the poor folks in line two miles back from the Pikes Peak Highway
> gate (4th of July is a big day for them, America’s Mountain, where America
> the Beautiful was written).
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/19404757762/in/dateposted-public/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Simple1

[Justin August]

Thomson Seatpost sold.

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 3:27:29 PM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:
>
> So It's a 58cm SimpleOne.
>
> Tange headset
>
> Wheel set is velocity unbranded track hubs to SunCR18 rims with Soma C 
> line terracota tires.
>
> Surly dingle 17/21
>
> Freewheel 17t
>
> Sugino somethingP TRIPLE with black FSA guard, two rings
>
> All that for $750 + real shipping (I’ll ship first, then invoice you for 
> cost)
>
> There are pics of the frame here 
> https://flickr.com/photos/86714991@N00/sets/72157646060803134
>
> It's got some goo on it hat should come off with lighter fluids, I just 
> have done it yet.
>
>
> Possible includes (go shopping! Will be giving first priority to whomever 
> buys the frame/fork/headset/wheelset)
>
> Black Paul Cantis Neo-Retro front, Touring rear. New Kool-Stop Thinline 
> pads $100
>
> Black Paul brake levers. $50
>
> SOMA Layback Post, BLACK - $25
>
> Thomson 0 setback post chopped off to fit the frame, SILVER $25
>
> SOMA Sutra stem 100mm, BLACK $35
>
> Brooks Cambium C17s (missing the nose rivet) $70
>
> SKS/ESGE Long cream fenders from Rivendell $35
>
> Jitensha Bars $45
>
> Nitto x Fair-weather 42cm (similar to Noodle but shallower drop) $50
>
> Shimano Brake Levers $25
>
> SRAM brake levers, BLACK alloy levers $40
>
>
>
>
> I've been hesitant to sell before but have finally made peace with it.
>
>
> -Justin, Oakland
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Re: [RBW] Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/04/2015 04:16 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Welcome back. +100 on short rides: that's about all I do.

What exactly defines "short"? I say under 30 miles. Opinions?


Depends on how much prep is necessary for the ride.  If you're going to 
put on sunscreen, change into riding shorts & jersey & riding shoes, 
anything under about 25 miles is IMHO a waste of time, especially since 
it requires a shower when you get home to get the sunscreen off.  (At 
least, I have to - I'm sensitive to it, but with my lifetime sun 
exposure history not using it simply isn't an option.)  Even worse if 
you're going to pack up the car and drive to the ride start.If 
you're leaving from home and don't have to change clothes, shorter 
distances are fine; short enough and you may not even have to put on 
sunscreen (although I doubt that's the case in the New Mexico desert).





Patrick Moore, who just got back from a very pleasant 19 mile short 
ride after getting pleasantly lost in the bosque.


On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Deacon Patrick > wrote:


No ride too small! I’ve been recovering this week from the brain
overload and adrenaline cycles of rifle shots on last Saturday’s
ride. It sure was a blessing to get out on today’s recovery ride
of 8 miles, as well as get to blow past the poor folks in line two
miles back from the Pikes Peak Highway gate (4th of July is a big
day for them, America’s Mountain, where America the Beautiful was
written).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/19404757762/in/dateposted-public/



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Re: [RBW] Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Patrick Moore]

I've never used sunscreen in my life, except once or twice at the
insistence of my then wife, a practice I very quickly abandoned. I agree
it's a nasty mess. And I lived largely outside as a boy in India and at 5-6
K feet in equatorial Africa, not to mention 25+ years of riding in NM.

I rely on my Filipino skin, but my almost excessively Anglo father -- he
made most Brits look like Sicilians -- did as much and more than I in the
hottest parts of the world and lived well past 80.

For me, prep means changing into a jersey, putting on socks and cycling
shoes (I don't wear outdoor shoes indoors, so I'd have to put on shoes
anyway), putting on a hat and shades, and going outside. I shower once a
day and rarely after a ride.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>  On 07/04/2015 04:16 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Welcome back. +100 on short rides: that's about all I do.
>
>  What exactly defines "short"? I say under 30 miles. Opinions?
>
>
> Depends on how much prep is necessary for the ride.  If you're going to
> put on sunscreen, change into riding shorts & jersey & riding shoes,
> anything under about 25 miles is IMHO a waste of time, especially since it
> requires a shower when you get home to get the sunscreen off.  (At least, I
> have to - I'm sensitive to it, but with my lifetime sun exposure history
> not using it simply isn't an option.)  Even worse if you're going to pack
> up the car and drive to the ride start.If you're leaving from home and
> don't have to change clothes, shorter distances are fine; short enough and
> you may not even have to put on sunscreen (although I doubt that's the case
> in the New Mexico desert).
>
>
>
>  Patrick Moore, who just got back from a very pleasant 19 mile short ride
> after getting pleasantly lost in the bosque.
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
>
>> No ride too small! I’ve been recovering this week from the brain overload
>> and adrenaline cycles of rifle shots on last Saturday’s ride. It sure was a
>> blessing to get out on today’s recovery ride of 8 miles, as well as get to
>> blow past the poor folks in line two miles back from the Pikes Peak Highway
>> gate (4th of July is a big day for them, America’s Mountain, where America
>> the Beautiful was written).
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/19404757762/in/dateposted-public/
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Frame

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/04/2015 11:13 AM, Eric Norris wrote:

Some Alex Singers were made that way. Here's mine:

https://flic.kr/p/rmZtgF


That Singer sure is pretty.  Mitch Pryor's done a bunch bilaminate 
construction in the past couple of years, too.




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On Jul 4, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Matt B. > wrote:



On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 10:07:21 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:

I thought it was really interesting because it used two types of
joining: the lug and the fillet braze.  I have never seen that
before.



it is sometimes called partial bi-laminate construction



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Re: [RBW] Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/04/2015 04:38 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I've never used sunscreen in my life, except once or twice at the 
insistence of my then wife, a practice I very quickly abandoned. I 
agree it's a nasty mess. And I lived largely outside as a boy in India 
and at 5-6 K feet in equatorial Africa, not to mention 25+ years of 
riding in NM.


I rely on my Filipino skin, but my almost excessively Anglo father -- 
he made most Brits look like Sicilians -- did as much and more than I 
in the hottest parts of the world and lived well past 80.


I know all too many cyclists (folks I know personally, in my bike club) 
who have had skin cancer.  Me, when I was a kid we'd take the subway to 
Orchard Beach every day all summer long.  Stay in the water until your 
lips turned blue, then you got on a blanket and read until burned.  Burn 
and peel: an endless cycle, and a great way to set yourself up for 
something nasty when you're older.  Well, I'm older now and although I 
haven't had anything exactly "nasty," dermatologists tell me I have 
ample evidence of damage.  Since I ride virtually every day, I wear 
sunscreen when I go riding.   YMMV







For me, prep means changing into a jersey, putting on socks and 
cycling shoes (I don't wear outdoor shoes indoors, so I'd have to put 
on shoes anyway), putting on a hat and shades, and going outside. I 
shower once a day and rarely after a ride.


And you ride from home, as opposed to a 30 to 60 minute drive in the car 
to get to the ride start.  That makes a big difference.


If you're going to spend 30 minutes prep time plus an hour drive, I 
think that ride had better run at least 90 minutes, absolute minimum.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Patrick Moore]

The remarks on this thread about the Ram being slightly quicker in handling
-- I take it that this means that the Ram is slightly quicker to turn into
a corner -- are very interesting. I found the handling on my 58 cm Ram
quite nice, but a wee bit slower in the turn than I cared for, one reason I
sold it. The Ram was impeccably stable: think, coasting down a hill at 35+,
and sitting up, taking your left hand off the bar, and looking over your
left shoulder. Rock solid. But it felt to me a wee bit slow in the turn.
(FWIW, my Ram was shod with 29 mm Parigi Roubaix.)

I've heard others say that the Roadeo is slightly quicker than the Ram; I'd
love to try a Roadeo.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Dave Johnston  wrote:

> I have a 56cm Ram and a 57cm Bleriot with similar drop bar setups. I had
> 28mm tires on the Ram and have pari-moto 38mm tires on the Bleriot. Once I
> got the Bleriot up and running I basically stopped riding the Ram. The
> Pari-motos are so smooth and fast so the extra width doesn't seem to be a
> disadvantage. The Bleriot has an ultralight Tubas Luna rear rack while the
> Ram is rackless so sometimes the ability to hall more stuff swings me to
> use that bike as well.
>
> answers
> 1. Ram is a bit quicker handling but both feel great. I actually prefer
> the more mellow handling of the Bleriot.
> 2. 700c Ram has toeclip overlap. 650b Bleriot does not.
> 3. Never ran either with a front load, other than one of the small acorn
> barsacks, and I don't notice that bag.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>>
>> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b
>> Bleriot?
>>
>> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[dailyrandonneur]

I've got both, a 59 Bleriot and a 58 Rambouillet. Both have Noodle bars and 
B-17 Brooks saddles. 

The Bleriot with GB Cypres 32mm tires feels a tad flexier, but has more 
stable handling. When it arrived as a frameset I was impressed with how 
light it felt. 

I had S&S couplers installed and rode this bike for a full brevet series 
and PBP in 2007. It was terrific.

The Rambouillet with 28mm Michelin tires feels stiffer, a bit more 
substantial, with somewhat quicker steering. I also rode brevets on this 
bike, and completed BMB in 2004 on it. 

They are kind of different. Both are fun to ride, but the Bleriot tends 
toward comfort (the bigger tires make a difference) and I'd choose it for 
really long days in the saddle on less than perfect roads. It was the more 
pleasurable brevet bike, if not the fastest feeling.

The Rambouillet feels more like a road/sport bike, does great under hard 
efforts, with fine handling manners. My similar size '95 Ritchey Logic 
Road, also made by Toyo, is stiffer and has more of a snappy racing feel. 

Happy 4th!

Ed Felker
Washington, DC





On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>
> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b 
> Bleriot?
>
> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
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[RBW] Eroica California: Might There Be a Riv Contingent?

[Evan E.]

Anyone thinking of going to Eroica California? Paso Robles, April 8-10, 
2016. As far as I can tell, lugged Rivendells (as "keeper of the flame" 
bikes) qualify if they use non-aero brake levers and downtube shifters or 
bar-end shifters. And of course vintage bikes are welcome.

Details:

http://www.eroicacalifornia.com

Evan 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Bleriot: your take on it.

[Bruce Herbitter]

Great report Ed.  Happy 4th to you and Mary too.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 4:10 PM, dailyrandonneur  wrote:

> I've got both, a 59 Bleriot and a 58 Rambouillet. Both have Noodle bars
> and B-17 Brooks saddles.
>
> The Bleriot with GB Cypres 32mm tires feels a tad flexier, but has more
> stable handling. When it arrived as a frameset I was impressed with how
> light it felt.
>
> I had S&S couplers installed and rode this bike for a full brevet series
> and PBP in 2007. It was terrific.
>
> The Rambouillet with 28mm Michelin tires feels stiffer, a bit more
> substantial, with somewhat quicker steering. I also rode brevets on this
> bike, and completed BMB in 2004 on it.
>
> They are kind of different. Both are fun to ride, but the Bleriot tends
> toward comfort (the bigger tires make a difference) and I'd choose it for
> really long days in the saddle on less than perfect roads. It was the more
> pleasurable brevet bike, if not the fastest feeling.
>
> The Rambouillet feels more like a road/sport bike, does great under hard
> efforts, with fine handling manners. My similar size '95 Ritchey Logic
> Road, also made by Toyo, is stiffer and has more of a snappy racing feel.
>
> Happy 4th!
>
> Ed Felker
> Washington, DC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 3:33:20 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> 1. If you have owned both, what are the diffs in ride quality?
>>
>> 2. How does the 700c or 26" wheels make it feel different than the 650b
>> Bleriot?
>>
>> 3. Front loads. Do they both carry them well?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Eroica California: Might There Be a Riv Contingent?

[Jim M.]

I saw at least a couple of Riv's at last year's Eroica. I rode my 
Eisentraut rather than putting vintage components on my Riv. I know some 
other listers also left Rivs at home to ride vintage bikes.

jim m
wc ca

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>
> Anyone thinking of going to Eroica California? Paso Robles, April 8-10, 
> 2016. As far as I can tell, lugged Rivendells (as "keeper of the flame" 
> bikes) qualify if they use non-aero brake levers and downtube shifters or 
> bar-end shifters. And of course vintage bikes are welcome.
>
> Details:
>
> http://www.eroicacalifornia.com
>
> Evan 
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[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

[Matthew J]

Given up trying to understand the mind set of some (lately seems all too 
many) drivers.

20 mph zone - still not willing to yield right of way.  Bet you were not 
going that much slower than any other normally driven auto in the 
circumstances.

Good thing your reflexes were ready and you are here to write about it. 

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 10:21:51 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> in a 20 mph zone - a guy crossed the double yellow line accelerating to 
> twice the speed limit and turned right in front of me
> glad my mirror was working
> I scratched the front of my helmet without using my index finger
>

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[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow. Thankful you are not too much worse for the wear!

With abandon,
Patrick

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> twice the speed limit and turned right in front of me
> glad my mirror was working
> I scratched the front of my helmet without using my index finger
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[RBW] Re: Eroica California: Might There Be a Riv Contingent?

[Don Compton]

While I understand the rules and thinking behind these Eroica events, it 
would sure be fun to ride these rides on my Roadeo with low gears and some 
good tires.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 2:22:03 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Anyone thinking of going to Eroica California? Paso Robles, April 8-10, 
> 2016. As far as I can tell, lugged Rivendells (as "keeper of the flame" 
> bikes) qualify if they use non-aero brake levers and downtube shifters or 
> bar-end shifters. And of course vintage bikes are welcome.
>
> Details:
>
> http://www.eroicacalifornia.com
>
> Evan 
>

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Re: [RBW] Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Liesl]

A wee ride is, well goodness, it could be 6 blocks each way to the grocery 
store. Anything counts! Anything is good! Most of my riding is in increments of 
2-10 miles commuting and running errands. I don't get kitted up; what I'm 
wearing just about always works. Just pump the tires if I haven't done it in a 
several  days, make sure I have a lock, and whatever bag/basket combo the day 
calls for! I have 2 big dogs, one of whom is a solid energetic 18 month old 
plus my work days can be long--so I grab riding whenever I can. Wee rides thus 
become really important.

Okay, winter is a little different ...

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[RBW] Re: found a Ram on CL

[Don Compton]

Just in case, 700c Rams came in even number sizes ( center to top).

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 8:16:38 AM UTC-7, Don Funke wrote:
>
> I found a 61cm Ram on CL. I have a 63 AHH. Is the ride really going to 
> feel different? Interested in doing Brevets. The 63 is in the upper limits 
> of fit for me. Is it worth the trade off of narrower tires for a bit more 
> snappiness?
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[RBW] Re: Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Deacon Patrick]

Scratch that recovery and optimism of no fireworks. Mini fireworks, after a 
three hour concert across the creek from our house. I may be looking to you 
for vicarious adventure pics! Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Liesl]

Hang in there, Patrick of the Deacon. Firecrackers are going off all around my 
neighborhood. My young dog is oblivious (nothing phases her). The older one is 
doing remarkably well but as the evening keeps going well into the night, it's 
starting to wear on him. I hope you recover swiftly and are startled with joy. 
Fondly, Liesl 

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[RBW] Re: Wee Rides are Awesome Rides!

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Liesl! With 4 kids, the startled with joy thing is well in hand! 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> Hang in there, Patrick of the Deacon. Firecrackers are going off all 
> around my neighborhood. My young dog is oblivious (nothing phases her). The 
> older one is doing remarkably well but as the evening keeps going well into 
> the night, it's starting to wear on him. I hope you recover swiftly and are 
> startled with joy. Fondly, Liesl 

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[RBW] Getting pleasantly lost in the bosque

[Liesl]

Patrick of the Moore! Photos prove you got fish and can dip your chain, but 
leave some question as to whether you actually got lost! (;

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[RBW] Re: Eroica California: Might There Be a Riv Contingent?

[Peter Adler]

The route's been posted; it's on public roads, mostly. You can ride it any 
other time you want. You just can't ride it as a semi-supported ride on 
that day, with that particular crowd. And anyway: If you don't want to 
participate in the spirit of the event, but just ride with a bunch of 
strangers on whatever bike you feel like riding, there are hundreds of 
events to accommodate you. Why would you want to whiz all over this one?

Evan: Pre-1980 all-friction barcons are acceptable (Campagnolo, Suntour 
retrofriction, Simplex); indexed barcons switched to friction position are 
not, because they can't be sure you won't get out of eyesight and switch 
back to indexing. As I read it, Silvers pass; the very popular Dura Ace 
9-speeds switched to friction do not.

In my last panicky attempts to get a workable Eroica bike ready (Plan 
A/late 50s Follis Tour de France failed for smallness and my lack of 
comprehension of pushrod rear derailleurs; Plan B/late 50s Frejus Tour de 
France fell through because the bike kitchen sold the frameset to a hipster 
before I got the cash together. I ran into that guy at the farmer's market 
last week), I was about to try my most Riv-ish bike. My 1971 Raleigh 
International, rigged out as a loaded tourer (TA 50.4 triple, Huret Duopar, 
Mafacs, Bruce Gordon F+R racks, SP dyne front). But I thought about all the 
fiddling of having to replace the 7-sp Suntour Accu-Shift barcons with 
retrofrictions, and having to strip off the racks, and I gave up.

My understanding from the Eroica CA director (Wesley Hatakeyama, a regular 
poster on CR) is that the equipment was not aggressively policed this year. 
I've certainly seen a photo of a guy in full Bianchi lycra on an all-carbon 
Bianchi with aero brifters *and a race number*, who apparently had no worry 
about being pulled off the course in the middle of nowhere. That may change 
as the headcount goes up; apparently, there's a vehicle inspection at the 
event in Tuscany.

>From the reports I read (including one from the course director), there was 
a rider on an AHH who rode the long (125 mile) course and got hit by a 
reckless teenaged driver climbing back up the Cambria hills. Apparently, 
first aid got him patched up well enough that he remounted and finished the 
course.

Peter Adler
prissy about rules in
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 5:59:17 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> While I understand the rules and thinking behind these Eroica events, it 
> would sure be fun to ride these rides on my Roadeo with low gears and some 
> good tires.
>
> On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 2:22:03 PM UTC-7, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> Anyone thinking of going to Eroica California? Paso Robles, April 8-10, 
>> 2016. As far as I can tell, lugged Rivendells (as "keeper of the flame" 
>> bikes) qualify if they use non-aero brake levers and downtube shifters or 
>> bar-end shifters. And of course vintage bikes are welcome.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: I was turning left this morning

[Lungimsam]

Lately I've had trouble from other cyclists!
Several times cyclists have been riding the wrong way, towards me on the 
shoulder, which sometimes forced me into the lane to go around them.
This week as I was driving, two cyclists came riding abreast down a ramp head 
on towards me, forcing me to stop my car suddenly in my lane. Glad I didn't get 
rear ended or hit them.

I don't know what to say to them. Maybe "Wrong side of the road. Your gonna get 
hit.", or something? Not much of a window to talk as they pass me.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Simple1

[Justin August]

Make an offer on anything. I just need to move these out and get the $$$ and 
sale for a mountain bike. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: found a Ram on CL

[Justin August]

You can always convert it to 650b to have a fat tired road bike. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 54 Saluki

[jeffrey kane]

I've owned this one since January 2011 ... am the second owner. It's the 
caliper/CP type and is figured to be of the first or second run. The 
original owner described the color as "Caramel" and offered this for 
explanation:

*This frames set has a little history--it is the very first caramel 
Saluki--it's from the first or second batch of frames.  They were offered 
in Pewter or green or custom for an upcharge.  I emailed and talked with 
Grant about wanting something sort of like the Harvest Gold that he uses on 
customs, but darker and richer.  He came up with the color for me and 
declared it his favorite bike color ever and make it the stock paint for 
subsequent Saluki frames.  It also has the upgraded cast police badge-style 
 head badge.*

Whatever the color, it's a beauty. I am always taken aback at how amazing 
this bike feels when I get on it after riding my others for a while. I've 
since drunk the BQ cool-aid and have diversified my 650b all road holdings 
 --- but this Saluki remains a favorite ... and is unlikely to ever leave 
my stable.



 

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 1:36:24 PM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> The bar tape is a great contrast. Came out very nicely Kellie. Hope you 
> pedal many enjoyable miles on it.
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Kellie  > wrote:
>
>> Here's the pea green. 10 y/o Saluki, 50cm
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 4:27:31 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>>
>>> That's one the original runs of salukis before they changed the decals 
>>> to script. Was that from the second batch? The first batch were kind of a 
>>> sage/pea green stock color.
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