[RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Evan E.]

Congratulations, Mark! Great story.

Evan 

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[RBW] Re: A flat? Really?

[Ron Mc]

a few weeks ago after a ride along a major loop access road (and hearing 
the horrible pop sound of tires on sharp jetsam) - inspecting my rear tire 
after the ride found 5 cuts, and one of them was severe.  Nothing was near 
the surface so I dabbed each cut with zap-a-gap and deflated the tire until 
it cured.  150 miles later developed a slow leak which flatted on me after 
a couple of days at rest.  When I pulled the tire, found two pieces of 
glass that had worked their way through the two Challenge PPS belts to 
puncture the tube.  Running a Strada Bianca in the rear and the last Eroica 
on the planet on front.  An acceptable outcome for the price of a cushy 
ride.  

On Sunday, June 21, 2015 at 11:04:56 AM UTC-5, Andy Williams wrote:
>
>
> After about three years, tons of miles and finally some cracks in them, I 
> replaced with Schwalbe Marathons with Soma Xpress tires on the Bleriot, and 
> was treated to a smoother ride.  But, about 80 miles into a club ride 
>  yesterday, I noticed my front 
> tire was getting squishy and had a slow leak.  That's the first one of 
> those in several years!   
>
> Thankfully, I remembered what to do, following the Scout motto, being 
> prepared.
>
> Pictures prove  
> it was a great day to ride with the Cascade Bike Club.
>
> Andy
>

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[John]

In traffic, when it's dark, without reflective clothing, blinkies separate 
one out from the cars which have steady rear lights.

The biggest problem I see on the road, whether driving, riding or walking, 
is not drunks, it's distracted drivers on their cell phones.

Teens to octogenarians too busy talking or texting to notice stopped cars, 
people in crosswalks, or cyclists.

I'm sticking with my rechargeable blinkies, Toplight, and reflective 
triangle, and Monkey Lectric Monkeylights. 

Annoying is better than dead.

John

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[Matthew J]

> blinkies separate one out from the cars which have steady rear lights

I know many claim this but have never seen conclusive support that using 
blinkies saves life or limb.

Personally I use a steady tail light where a Nathan 
 vest over my shirt 
and reflective ankle band with long pants.  My riding knickers all have 
reflective back pockets.  Also much more conservative with my riding 
choices after dark.

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Shoji Takahashi]

Great story... amazing to read it unfold. 

Is the PD looking into that hardware store? 

Happy riding,
Shoji

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Will]

Maybe the homeless man would have been clueless, but the thief would have 
noticed. Especially if the bike was secured with a compact u-lock. 

Once you have a significant tube u-locked to a bike rack, the frame is 
secure, the rest is noise. 

My U lock is 1.6 pounds. The pits weigh less than regular skewers. It 
works. 


On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 9:03:54 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> The locks are a good idea, but I doubt that the homeless man who 
> bought the bike for $30 would have noticed the pitlocks. 
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Will > 
> wrote: 
> > Well now that you have it back... put pitlocks on the wheels and 
> seatpost. 
> > It will cost $100 to do it, but once done, a thief cannot sell your bike 
> > with secured wheels and seatpost without an outrageous story. 
> > 
> > No one will buy a bike that has unfixable flats. Every potential buyer 
> will 
> > notice during the illicit purchase that the seatpost cannot be adjusted. 
>
>
> -- 
> -- Anne Paulson 
>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Leslie]

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 9:37:39 PM UTC-4, Mark Wilkins wrote:
>
> Just got back from the Camp Hill PD, and my bike is now safely in my 
> living room!!! 
>
> It looks a little rough, but the racks and fenders are still in place, and 
> the shimano Dyno hub and BiSy light still work. Wheels seem true. 
>
> I'm living in some kind of dreamworld. 
>


Congratulations!! :D 


-L 

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[Philip Kim]

I would rather not separate myself from cars, definitely want other cars to 
treat me biking as another car in the road. Another reason why I tend to 
take the whole lane, otherwise cars will not pass me with the designated 3 
ft in between. 

I agree, no light will probably save me from a driver too busy texting to 
looking up. 

Another unsafe annoyance are super bright headlamps from fellow commuters. 
Also blinking front lamps not aimed low to the ground. : (

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:59:41 AM UTC-4, John wrote:
>
> In traffic, when it's dark, without reflective clothing, blinkies separate 
> one out from the cars which have steady rear lights.
>
> The biggest problem I see on the road, whether driving, riding or walking, 
> is not drunks, it's distracted drivers on their cell phones.
>
> Teens to octogenarians too busy talking or texting to notice stopped cars, 
> people in crosswalks, or cyclists.
>
> I'm sticking with my rechargeable blinkies, Toplight, and reflective 
> triangle, and Monkey Lectric Monkeylights. 
>
> Annoying is better than dead.
>
> John
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Ray Shine]

It sounds to me like the hardware store owner is pretty much a fence for 
bicycle thieves, and maybe other goodies. I'd boycott that place and put out 
the word for others to do the same. No telling what he's stashed in his back 
room.

 
  From: Shoji Takahashi 
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:24 AM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!
   
Great story... amazing to read it unfold. 
Is the PD looking into that hardware store? 
Happy riding,Shoji

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree with John; I'd rather be seen as different and even
annoying if both or either mean that I'm more noticeable. I recall how,
over 10 years ago when I used an early NR arc light system (POS, apart from
raw light output), often oncoming cars often would, at least on more minor
roads, noticeably pull toward the far left curb as I approached. The sort
of light that induces this reaction might well be judged obnoxious, but
until cyclists are seen much more widely as ordinary -- ordinary and every
day, as well as lawful -- users of the public roadways, I'd rather be
obnoxious than be hit.

All that said, from subsequent experience, I guess that an Edeluxe and
reflective Sam Browne give me as much visibility to oncoming nighttime
traffic. IMO and IME, decent reflective clothing and gear is almost as
important as decent lighting for safe urban night riding.

This said as someone who used to return home 15 miles directly across town
at evening rush hour on one of the city's busiest east/west boulevards,
Central Ave/Route 66. (I later decided that more backstreet routes were
preferable, but I used 66 for several years.)

As for tail lights, from my own experience as a driver, all the steady bike
taillights I've observed, and even very many blinkies, simply get
overwhelmed in the clutter of street lights, lit advertising, and
especially ever brighter auto tail lights, not to mention the glare of
oncoming headlights, in nighttime urban environments. Thus, even as a
cyclist, I'd rather put up with bright blinkies and even overbright
oncoming bicycle headlights than see cyclists, others as well as myself,
swallowed up at night in the surrounding light pollution.

Of course, common sense would mean that a cyclist would moderate his lumens
if riding with a group or for that matter if riding along a no-auto-traffic
cycling path remote from auto traffic.

Has anyone done rigorous studies on bicycle lighting in night time, rush
hour, urban conditions, to see what sort of lights and reflectors are
safest for cyclists? I suspect not, but I wish someone would. Until then, I
have to assume that blatant means safer in congested, nighttime, urban
traffic environments.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> I would rather not separate myself from cars, definitely want other cars
> to treat me biking as another car in the road. Another reason why I tend to
> take the whole lane, otherwise cars will not pass me with the designated 3
> ft in between.
>
> I agree, no light will probably save me from a driver too busy texting to
> looking up.
>
> Another unsafe annoyance are super bright headlamps from fellow commuters.
> Also blinking front lamps not aimed low to the ground. : (
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:59:41 AM UTC-4, John wrote:
>>
>> In traffic, when it's dark, without reflective clothing, blinkies
>> separate one out from the cars which have steady rear lights.
>>
>> The biggest problem I see on the road, whether driving, riding or
>> walking, is not drunks, it's distracted drivers on their cell phones.
>>
>> Teens to octogenarians too busy talking or texting to notice stopped
>> cars, people in crosswalks, or cyclists.
>>
>> I'm sticking with my rechargeable blinkies, Toplight, and reflective
>> triangle, and Monkey Lectric Monkeylights.
>>
>> Annoying is better than dead.
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[Patrick Moore]

One more note: recently, driving my daughter back westward from some
appointment along a very busy evening rush hour artery -- 6-lane Montano
just east of the River, before it narrows to 2 lanes -- I saw an eastbound
cyclist in the bike path to the right of 3 eastbound lanes with a powerful
front white blinkie. He was immediately noticeable, and this was still
broad daylight. I've seen many others in similar circumstances, unlit, and
even in broad daylight they much more disappear into the traffic clutter. I
wonder if my Edeluxe I would be as noticeable as he was in the
circumstances.

I'd welcome video of cyclists with different types of front and rear lights
-- blinky and steady, dynamo and battery, hi-po or more obtrusive -- in
broad daylight conditions. I wonder how much brightness you need to stand
out like the cyclist I described just now.

I do recall how, riding in mid-day, cloudless, mile-high (= makes LA look
gloomy) ABQ sunshine, a Supernova headlight vintage circa 2010 that I
encountered on an oncoming bike was very visible on a deserted bike path
from 3/8 mile away.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[Patrick Moore]

Sheesh. I meant: Hi po or *less* obtrusive.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> hi-po or more obtrusive
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Johnny Alien]

For what it's worth, I know that hardware store and know some of the 
Hornungs as well. I do not 100% buy that person's story and doubt that they 
had that bike there for $30. I could be wrong but I think that was just a 
story for the cops.


On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4, Ray Shine wrote:
>
> It sounds to me like the hardware store owner is pretty much a fence for 
> bicycle thieves, and maybe other goodies. I'd boycott that place and put 
> out the word for others to do the same. No telling what he's stashed in his 
> back room.
>
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>  *From:* Shoji Takahashi >
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:24 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!
>  
> Great story... amazing to read it unfold. 
>
> Is the PD looking into that hardware store? 
>
> Happy riding,
> Shoji
>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Surlyprof]

Awesome story, Mark.  Beausage often has stories attached to it.  Your 
beausage has an amazing (and all-too-rare) story attached to it!

Congratulations on your recovery.  Relish the renovation.
John

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 2:54:48 PM UTC-7, Mark Wilkins wrote:
>
> Just spotted my blue ram, stolen in December, locked to a rack in downtown 
> Harrisburg, PA. Waiting for police (1hr so far) 
>
> Can't believe it! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Ray Shine]

Good to hear that from a local. Even a fence would not dump a stolen bike for 
$30!  I have always favored independent store owners -- like bike shops -- and 
such a shop is a value to the community.  Still, it bears looking into.

 
  From: Johnny Alien 
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Cc: r.sh...@sbcglobal.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!
   
For what it's worth, I know that hardware store and know some of the Hornungs 
as well. I do not 100% buy that person's story and doubt that they had that 
bike there for $30. I could be wrong but I think that was just a story for the 
cops.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4, Ray Shine wrote:
It sounds to me like the hardware store owner is pretty much a fence for 
bicycle thieves, and maybe other goodies. I'd boycott that place and put out 
the word for others to do the same. No telling what he's stashed in his back 
room.

 
  From: Shoji Takahashi 
 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups. com 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:24 AM
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!
   
Great story... amazing to read it unfold. 
Is the PD looking into that hardware store? 
Happy riding,Shoji

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Mark Wilkins]

Thanks to all for your well-wishes!

@Johnny: I've had the same thought.  I'm pretty certain that the
homeless man who had the bike was not the person that stole it out of
my garage six months ago, but he may have been protecting the one who
did.

Still, I think I will stop by Hornung's to see if they might have sold
the bike at some point.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
> For what it's worth, I know that hardware store and know some of the
> Hornungs as well. I do not 100% buy that person's story and doubt that they
> had that bike there for $30. I could be wrong but I think that was just a
> story for the cops.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4, Ray Shine wrote:
>>
>> It sounds to me like the hardware store owner is pretty much a fence for
>> bicycle thieves, and maybe other goodies. I'd boycott that place and put out
>> the word for others to do the same. No telling what he's stashed in his back
>> room.
>>
>> 
>> From: Shoji Takahashi 
>> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:24 AM
>> Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!
>>
>> Great story... amazing to read it unfold.
>>
>> Is the PD looking into that hardware store?
>>
>> Happy riding,
>> Shoji
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A flat? Really?

[cyclotourist]

My Eroicas are going strong:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/18891368025/

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> a few weeks ago after a ride along a major loop access road (and hearing the
> horrible pop sound of tires on sharp jetsam) - inspecting my rear tire after
> the ride found 5 cuts, and one of them was severe.  Nothing was near the
> surface so I dabbed each cut with zap-a-gap and deflated the tire until it
> cured.  150 miles later developed a slow leak which flatted on me after a
> couple of days at rest.  When I pulled the tire, found two pieces of glass
> that had worked their way through the two Challenge PPS belts to puncture
> the tube.  Running a Strada Bianca in the rear and the last Eroica on the
> planet on front.  An acceptable outcome for the price of a cushy ride.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 21, 2015 at 11:04:56 AM UTC-5, Andy Williams wrote:
>>
>>
>> After about three years, tons of miles and finally some cracks in them, I
>> replaced with Schwalbe Marathons with Soma Xpress tires on the Bleriot, and
>> was treated to a smoother ride.  But, about 80 miles into a club ride
>> yesterday, I noticed my front tire was getting squishy and had a slow leak.
>> That's the first one of those in several years!
>>
>> Thankfully, I remembered what to do, following the Scout motto, being
>> prepared.
>>
>> Pictures prove it was a great day to ride with the Cascade Bike Club.
>>
>> Andy
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[cyclotourist]

I like this stuff a lot. Put it all over bikes and helmets. It's
really bright from behind.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000BQRIV2


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> Sheesh. I meant: Hi po or less obtrusive.
>
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>> hi-po or more obtrusive
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[RBW] Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[true]

Resounding applause !!!
Standing ovation !!!

Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[Tim Gavin]

Yes, 3M reflective tape is great.  I put some on my girlfriend's Soma for
visibility.  I used small strips (like 1/4" wide) on the inside of the
rims, and on the pedals.  Those little reflective flashes are quite
visible, combined with the movement of the wheels and pedals.  A bigger
patch on the rear of the fender is also quite conspicuous.

Basic spoke and pedal reflectors are also quite effective, due to their
signature motion.

As for lights, I now have dynamo setups on my two main bikes, with very
bright Luxos U headlights and Top Line Brake Plus rear lights.

I can't tell you which is more conspicuous, solid or blinking rear lights.
So I go with both; I sometimes add a red blinky light for added
conspicuity.

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Re: [RBW] Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Liesl]

Most excellent  You'll enjoy this story for years to come!

Mike, you are now officially

Riv Chica Warrior East!

Welcome to the tribe!

xxoo Riv Chica Warrior, MD
(and I'm sure Riv Chica Warrior West would concur)

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Julian]

Wow! That's terrific. Prompted me to be sure I've actually got a record of 
serial #'s! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[Patrick Moore]

Can enough square inches of reflective tape equal the visibility of a
cycling vest or Sam Browne? How much, and where? The Sam Browne is rather
annoying to put on, tho' in the universal scheme of things this is a gripe
petty to the point of absurdity.

I use reflective tape on cranks, but where can you add sufficient sq inches
if you don't use a helmet and don't want the stuff on your fenders? I don't
suppose you can 

To make the question more general: what lighting and reflectors, front and
rear, in y'all's opinion, is minimally sufficient to make sure you stand
out *well, from front and from rear,* in a light-cluttered urban nighttime
rush hour environment?

What I've been using:

Sufficiently bright headlight (currently Edeluxe I or Mi-Newt Mini on
Medium: 200 lumens); PB Superflash or similar on blink + a steady light*;
Sam Browne or large waist-strapped triangle; 1" circles of brightly
reflective tape on upper butt-ends of cranks (would probably be better to
put tape at ends of cranks but the other place looks kinda neat).

* FWIW: on the 2 bikes that don't have the dynamo system, one "steady"
possibility is a 2 AA  Maglite with red LED strapped to bottom of left
chainstay with lockblock.

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wrote:

> Yes, 3M reflective tape is great.  I put some on my girlfriend's Soma for
> visibility.  I used small strips (like 1/4" wide) on the inside of the
> rims, and on the pedals.  Those little reflective flashes are quite
> visible, combined with the movement of the wheels and pedals.  A bigger
> patch on the rear of the fender is also quite conspicuous.
>
> Basic spoke and pedal reflectors are also quite effective, due to their
> signature motion.
>
> As for lights, I now have dynamo setups on my two main bikes, with very
> bright Luxos U headlights and Top Line Brake Plus rear lights.
>
> I can't tell you which is more conspicuous, solid or blinking rear
> lights.  So I go with both; I sometimes add a red blinky light for added
> conspicuity.
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[RBW] Rock N Roads w/ Fenders on 51cm Sam Hillborne?

[Philip Kim]

Getting the fit dialed in for my new Hillborne. It's a 51cm and has the 
650b wheels. I have SKS P50 fenders installed, but I haven't cut the fender 
stays yet.

I'm wondering if anyone has fit in Rock N Roads with fenders? I saw the 
black and cream HIllborne on the Riv blug, but I think those were 
700wheels. Not sure if it would be different with the 650b model or if I'd 
have to get creative.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Rock N Roads w/ Fenders on 51cm Sam Hillborne?

[john muhl]

My 650B Saluki has similar clearances to a Sam and RnRs were too close for 
comfort (at the chainstays) even without fenders.

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>
> Getting the fit dialed in for my new Hillborne. It's a 51cm and has the 
> 650b wheels. I have SKS P50 fenders installed, but I haven't cut the fender 
> stays yet.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has fit in Rock N Roads with fenders? I saw the 
> black and cream HIllborne on the Riv blug, but I think those were 
> 700wheels. Not sure if it would be different with the 650b model or if I'd 
> have to get creative.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Phil
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[RBW] The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Jim Bronson]

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6

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[RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Deacon Patrick]

"the fastest bike in the world"

Considering no bike can move without an engine this is like claiming 
scientific truth by consensus. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 11:45:52 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:
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>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
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Re: [RBW] Re: A flat? Really?

[Ron Mc]

David, I bought the last one in stock anywhere - it came from velomine. 
 Running a pair on my other bike, but thinking about moving them around to 
save for front wheels and running SBs on the rears.  

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:44:08 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> My Eroicas are going strong: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/18891368025/ 
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Ron Mc > 
> wrote: 
> > a few weeks ago after a ride along a major loop access road (and hearing 
> the 
> > horrible pop sound of tires on sharp jetsam) - inspecting my rear tire 
> after 
> > the ride found 5 cuts, and one of them was severe.  Nothing was near the 
> > surface so I dabbed each cut with zap-a-gap and deflated the tire until 
> it 
> > cured.  150 miles later developed a slow leak which flatted on me after 
> a 
> > couple of days at rest.  When I pulled the tire, found two pieces of 
> glass 
> > that had worked their way through the two Challenge PPS belts to 
> puncture 
> > the tube.  Running a Strada Bianca in the rear and the last Eroica on 
> the 
> > planet on front.  An acceptable outcome for the price of a cushy ride. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, June 21, 2015 at 11:04:56 AM UTC-5, Andy Williams wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> After about three years, tons of miles and finally some cracks in them, 
> I 
> >> replaced with Schwalbe Marathons with Soma Xpress tires on the Bleriot, 
> and 
> >> was treated to a smoother ride.  But, about 80 miles into a club ride 
> >> yesterday, I noticed my front tire was getting squishy and had a slow 
> leak. 
> >> That's the first one of those in several years! 
> >> 
> >> Thankfully, I remembered what to do, following the Scout motto, being 
> >> prepared. 
> >> 
> >> Pictures prove it was a great day to ride with the Cascade Bike Club. 
> >> 
> >> Andy 
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[RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Ron Mc]

form certainly follows function, because that is one ugly bike

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>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
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Re: [RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Eric Norris]

Very interesting discussion of this topic over at Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus 

It includes these statements:

'The inherent uncertainty in science, where theories are never proven but can 
only be disproven (see falsifiability 
), poses a problem for 
politicians, policymakers, lawyers, and business professionals.'

'Seen in this way, the demand that policy rely only on what is proven to be 
"scientific truth" would be a prescription for policy paralysis ...'

Not sure what the good Deacon is referring to, but it seems that it is accepted 
that “absolute truth” is in many cases not possible to determine, and the 
consensus of science is relied up (for instance, related to evolution climate 
change, etc.). It also seems that scientists are pretty clear on the difference 
between “truth” and “consensus."

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> On Jun 23, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> claiming scientific truth by consensus

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Re: [RBW] Re: A flat? Really?

[cyclotourist]

10-4... they're great tires! Like 'em more than the GBs they replaced.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> David, I bought the last one in stock anywhere - it came from velomine.
> Running a pair on my other bike, but thinking about moving them around to
> save for front wheels and running SBs on the rears.
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:44:08 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> My Eroicas are going strong:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/18891368025/
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>> > a few weeks ago after a ride along a major loop access road (and hearing
>> > the
>> > horrible pop sound of tires on sharp jetsam) - inspecting my rear tire
>> > after
>> > the ride found 5 cuts, and one of them was severe.  Nothing was near the
>> > surface so I dabbed each cut with zap-a-gap and deflated the tire until
>> > it
>> > cured.  150 miles later developed a slow leak which flatted on me after
>> > a
>> > couple of days at rest.  When I pulled the tire, found two pieces of
>> > glass
>> > that had worked their way through the two Challenge PPS belts to
>> > puncture
>> > the tube.  Running a Strada Bianca in the rear and the last Eroica on
>> > the
>> > planet on front.  An acceptable outcome for the price of a cushy ride.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, June 21, 2015 at 11:04:56 AM UTC-5, Andy Williams wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> After about three years, tons of miles and finally some cracks in them,
>> >> I
>> >> replaced with Schwalbe Marathons with Soma Xpress tires on the Bleriot,
>> >> and
>> >> was treated to a smoother ride.  But, about 80 miles into a club ride
>> >> yesterday, I noticed my front tire was getting squishy and had a slow
>> >> leak.
>> >> That's the first one of those in several years!
>> >>
>> >> Thankfully, I remembered what to do, following the Scout motto, being
>> >> prepared.
>> >>
>> >> Pictures prove it was a great day to ride with the Cascade Bike Club.
>> >>
>> >> Andy
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[cyclotourist]

And don't forget to record those serial #'s on Bike Index:
https://bikeindex.org/ !1

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[RBW] Hunqapillar review in Bicycle Times

[Jim M.]

Looks good: http://bicycletimesmag.com/field-tested-rivendell-hunqapillar/


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Re: [RBW] FS: reduced prices! tweed bags, canvas bags...

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Price Reductions

For sale (all prices include shipping to CONUS from Chicago area): 

RBW green tweed SaddleSack Small, very good condition - now $95
RBW green tweed TrunkSack Small, very good condition - now $80 
Duluth Pack green canvas Field Satchel, very good condition - now $80 
Duluth Pack blue canvas Deluxe Shell Bag, fair condition - now $30

If you have a couple of leather straps the Duluth Pack Field Satchel can 
hang from the side of a rack like a pannier. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[cyclotourist]

I imagine the tape is a 1:1 in comparison to other reflective measures
(triangles, belts, vests). It's just nice to have it on there on your
bike and not something you forget to carry or have to hassle with.


On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> Can enough square inches of reflective tape equal the visibility of a
> cycling vest or Sam Browne? How much, and where? The Sam Browne is rather
> annoying to put on, tho' in the universal scheme of things this is a gripe
> petty to the point of absurdity.
>
> I use reflective tape on cranks, but where can you add sufficient sq inches
> if you don't use a helmet and don't want the stuff on your fenders? I don't
> suppose you can 
>
> To make the question more general: what lighting and reflectors, front and
> rear, in y'all's opinion, is minimally sufficient to make sure you stand out
> well, from front and from rear, in a light-cluttered urban nighttime rush
> hour environment?
>
> What I've been using:
>
> Sufficiently bright headlight (currently Edeluxe I or Mi-Newt Mini on
> Medium: 200 lumens); PB Superflash or similar on blink + a steady light*;
> Sam Browne or large waist-strapped triangle; 1" circles of brightly
> reflective tape on upper butt-ends of cranks (would probably be better to
> put tape at ends of cranks but the other place looks kinda neat).
>
> * FWIW: on the 2 bikes that don't have the dynamo system, one "steady"
> possibility is a 2 AA  Maglite with red LED strapped to bottom of left
> chainstay with lockblock.
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Tim Gavin 
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, 3M reflective tape is great.  I put some on my girlfriend's Soma for
>> visibility.  I used small strips (like 1/4" wide) on the inside of the rims,
>> and on the pedals.  Those little reflective flashes are quite visible,
>> combined with the movement of the wheels and pedals.  A bigger patch on the
>> rear of the fender is also quite conspicuous.
>>
>> Basic spoke and pedal reflectors are also quite effective, due to their
>> signature motion.
>>
>> As for lights, I now have dynamo setups on my two main bikes, with very
>> bright Luxos U headlights and Top Line Brake Plus rear lights.
>>
>> I can't tell you which is more conspicuous, solid or blinking rear lights.
>> So I go with both; I sometimes add a red blinky light for added conspicuity.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar review in Bicycle Times

[Leslie]

Just saw that, was coming here to post.

Concur, good article.

-L


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>
> Looks good: http://bicycletimesmag.com/field-tested-rivendell-hunqapillar/
>
>
> jim m
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[RBW] Re: Rock N Roads w/ Fenders on 51cm Sam Hillborne?

[Surlyprof]

Read that blug post carefully.  They cut the fender and attached part of it 
behind the brake and the front part was attached to the bottom of the front 
rack with two spacers.  Very inventive solution but a little more involved 
than regular mounting. 
 http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/108118247614/click-on-the-pix-to  Click on 
the photos and read the captions for how they did it.

John

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>
> Getting the fit dialed in for my new Hillborne. It's a 51cm and has the 
> 650b wheels. I have SKS P50 fenders installed, but I haven't cut the fender 
> stays yet.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has fit in Rock N Roads with fenders? I saw the 
> black and cream HIllborne on the Riv blug, but I think those were 
> 700wheels. Not sure if it would be different with the 650b model or if I'd 
> have to get creative.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Phil
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Re: [RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Deacon Patrick]

You are right, Eric. But the theory of evolution is not on the same footing 
as climate change (to use your examples). There is a scale, with generally 
accepted theories at one side (which have time, quality and quantity of 
studies and evidence backing them up) and theories that are largely based 
on presupposition (opinion) at the other end. Evolution has a lot of 
science supporting it and little to no science against it. Without a time 
machine we can not absolutely confirm it, but it is reasonable to presume 
that we have a fairly good understanding of how species developed over the 
last millions of years. However, climate change has a LOT of disparity in 
the science, with a whole lot of "known unknowns" in the research creating 
a whole lot of presumptions that get mistaken as fact but upon which 
conclusions get made. Policies based on that "consensus" are very much 
skewing the tipping point of credible theory quite a bit toward the opinion 
side of the scale, away from the "accepted theory." 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:09:47 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Very interesting discussion of this topic over at Wikipedia:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus 
>
> It includes these statements:
>
> 'The inherent uncertainty in science, where theories are never *proven* but 
> can only be *disproven* (see falsifiability 
> ), poses a problem for 
> politicians, policymakers, lawyers, and business professionals.'
>
> 'Seen in this way, the demand that policy rely only on what is proven to 
> be "scientific truth" would be a prescription for policy paralysis ...'
>
> Not sure what the good Deacon is referring to, but it seems that it is 
> accepted that “absolute truth” is in many cases not possible to determine, 
> and the consensus of science is relied up (for instance, related to 
> evolution climate change, etc.). It also seems that scientists are pretty 
> clear on the difference between “truth” and “consensus."
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
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>
> On Jun 23, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
> claiming scientific truth by consensus
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Eric Norris]

Climate change is certainly an interesting topic … and one which I am not at 
all an expert on. The point of the Wikipedia article is that science often 
(usually?) doesn’t arrive at “truth.”

As far as evolution is concerned, you can find a lot of people out there who 
would disagree that there is “little to no science against it.” Check out this:

http://scienceagainstevolution.info/index.shtml 

And this:

http://www.icr.org/home/resources/resources_tracts_scientificcaseagainstevolution/
 

And this:

http://www.changinglives.org.au/evolution.html 

When you look closely enough, there’s “disparity in the science” everywhere, 
which takes one back to … consensus. But not to “truth."

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
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campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Jun 23, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> You are right, Eric. But the theory of evolution is not on the same footing 
> as climate change (to use your examples). There is a scale, with generally 
> accepted theories at one side (which have time, quality and quantity of 
> studies and evidence backing them up) and theories that are largely based on 
> presupposition (opinion) at the other end. Evolution has a lot of science 
> supporting it and little to no science against it. Without a time machine we 
> can not absolutely confirm it, but it is reasonable to presume that we have a 
> fairly good understanding of how species developed over the last millions of 
> years. However, climate change has a LOT of disparity in the science, with a 
> whole lot of "known unknowns" in the research creating a whole lot of 
> presumptions that get mistaken as fact but upon which conclusions get made. 
> Policies based on that "consensus" are very much skewing the tipping point of 
> credible theory quite a bit toward the opinion side of the scale, away from 
> the "accepted theory." 
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:09:47 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
> Very interesting discussion of this topic over at Wikipedia:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus 
>  
> 
> It includes these statements:
> 
> 'The inherent uncertainty in science, where theories are never proven but can 
> only be disproven (see falsifiability 
> ), poses a problem for 
> politicians, policymakers, lawyers, and business professionals.'
> 
> 'Seen in this way, the demand that policy rely only on what is proven to be 
> "scientific truth" would be a prescription for policy paralysis ...'
> 
> Not sure what the good Deacon is referring to, but it seems that it is 
> accepted that “absolute truth” is in many cases not possible to determine, 
> and the consensus of science is relied up (for instance, related to evolution 
> climate change, etc.). It also seems that scientists are pretty clear on the 
> difference between “truth” and “consensus."
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@ <>me.com 
> www.campyonly.com 
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>> On Jun 23, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Deacon Patrick mac.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> claiming scientific truth by consensus
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[Patrick Moore]

IOW, unless you plaster it pretty widely across fenders and, say, helmet,
you'll be very hard put to equal the reflective protection of a Sam Browne
or large rear triangle. 'Nuff said.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:21 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> I imagine the tape is a 1:1 in comparison to other reflective measures
> (triangles, belts, vests). It's just nice to have it on there on your
> bike and not something you forget to carry or have to hassle with.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
> > Can enough square inches of reflective tape equal the visibility of a
> > cycling vest or Sam Browne? How much, and where? The Sam Browne is rather
> > annoying to put on, tho' in the universal scheme of things this is a
> gripe
> > petty to the point of absurdity.
> >
> > I use reflective tape on cranks, but where can you add sufficient sq
> inches
> > if you don't use a helmet and don't want the stuff on your fenders? I
> don't
> > suppose you can 
> >
> > To make the question more general: what lighting and reflectors, front
> and
> > rear, in y'all's opinion, is minimally sufficient to make sure you stand
> out
> > well, from front and from rear, in a light-cluttered urban nighttime rush
> > hour environment?
> >
> > What I've been using:
> >
> > Sufficiently bright headlight (currently Edeluxe I or Mi-Newt Mini on
> > Medium: 200 lumens); PB Superflash or similar on blink + a steady light*;
> > Sam Browne or large waist-strapped triangle; 1" circles of brightly
> > reflective tape on upper butt-ends of cranks (would probably be better to
> > put tape at ends of cranks but the other place looks kinda neat).
> >
> > * FWIW: on the 2 bikes that don't have the dynamo system, one "steady"
> > possibility is a 2 AA  Maglite with red LED strapped to bottom of left
> > chainstay with lockblock.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Tim Gavin <
> tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, 3M reflective tape is great.  I put some on my girlfriend's Soma
> for
> >> visibility.  I used small strips (like 1/4" wide) on the inside of the
> rims,
> >> and on the pedals.  Those little reflective flashes are quite visible,
> >> combined with the movement of the wheels and pedals.  A bigger patch on
> the
> >> rear of the fender is also quite conspicuous.
> >>
> >> Basic spoke and pedal reflectors are also quite effective, due to their
> >> signature motion.
> >>
> >> As for lights, I now have dynamo setups on my two main bikes, with very
> >> bright Luxos U headlights and Top Line Brake Plus rear lights.
> >>
> >> I can't tell you which is more conspicuous, solid or blinking rear
> lights.
> >> So I go with both; I sometimes add a red blinky light for added
> conspicuity.
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[RBW] Re: Rock N Roads w/ Fenders on 51cm Sam Hillborne?

[Philip Kim]

Yep, I saw how they did it. But since it was 700c bike, I didn't know how 
much it applied to 650b. Not sure if there were different actual 
clearances. Well, I just ordered the Rock N Roads and think I'll take a 
chance.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 2:54:13 PM UTC-4, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Read that blug post carefully.  They cut the fender and attached part of 
> it behind the brake and the front part was attached to the bottom of the 
> front rack with two spacers.  Very inventive solution but a little more 
> involved than regular mounting.  
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/108118247614/click-on-the-pix-to  Click on 
> the photos and read the captions for how they did it.
>
> John
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 9:49:23 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Getting the fit dialed in for my new Hillborne. It's a 51cm and has the 
>> 650b wheels. I have SKS P50 fenders installed, but I haven't cut the fender 
>> stays yet.
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has fit in Rock N Roads with fenders? I saw the 
>> black and cream HIllborne on the Riv blug, but I think those were 
>> 700wheels. Not sure if it would be different with the 650b model or if I'd 
>> have to get creative.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Phil
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Will]

That's interesting. For $12.5K I can have 1 Venge  or 3 Rivs. 

My Rivs would be: 

1) Atlantis with everything: racks, bags, fenders, dynamo, lights
2) Atlantis bare to the bone, nothing but fat tires
3) Hilsen or Legolas (gotta spend that last $4K)

Or I could have a Venge. 
 
 

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:53:15 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> form certainly follows function, because that is one ugly bike
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
>>  
>> 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rock N Roads w/ Fenders on 51cm Sam Hillborne?

[cyclotourist]

That Sam is a fine looking bike.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> Read that blug post carefully.  They cut the fender and attached part of
> it behind the brake and the front part was attached to the bottom of the
> front rack with two spacers.  Very inventive solution but a little more
> involved than regular mounting.
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/108118247614/click-on-the-pix-to  Click on
> the photos and read the captions for how they did it.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 9:49:23 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Getting the fit dialed in for my new Hillborne. It's a 51cm and has the
>> 650b wheels. I have SKS P50 fenders installed, but I haven't cut the fender
>> stays yet.
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has fit in Rock N Roads with fenders? I saw the
>> black and cream HIllborne on the Riv blug, but I think those were
>> 700wheels. Not sure if it would be different with the 650b model or if I'd
>> have to get creative.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Phil
>>
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[RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[john muhl]

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
>

> All together, the project is dubbed "5 Minutes," which is how much time 
you'll
> save over 40 kilometers, or about 25 miles, if you're riding this bike and
> wearing the gear, the company says. That is, compared to its previous 
similar
> bike and gear.

So we can expect the winner of this years Tour to win by roughly 7 hours?

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[RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Joe Bernard]

Eh, I have neither the money nor the need for such a device, but I think 
it's pretty cool. 

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:53:15 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> form certainly follows function, because that is one ugly bike
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[john muhl]

Waterford has bike registry as 
well: http://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/register-your-bike/

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 1:17:56 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> And don't forget to record those serial #'s on Bike Index: 
> https://bikeindex.org/ !1 
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Julian > 
> wrote: 
> > Wow! That's terrific. Prompted me to be sure I've actually got a record 
> of 
> > serial #'s! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Jim Bronson]

Hey, good one.  For my 12.5K, I would get these three Rivs:

A custom Riv but with the build of an Atlantis, since the stock Atlantis
does not come in my size and I see that the used 68s are hard to come by,
for my upcoming world tour.

An AHH in 71 just because I can (make it work with a short-ish stem.) for
mixed terrain riding

An extra large Clem Jr (If they build it) for riding to work

Since I economized on the Clem, I would also get a custom tigged Boulder
for rando rides.

Jim

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Will  wrote:

> That's interesting. For $12.5K I can have 1 Venge  or 3 Rivs.
>
> My Rivs would be:
>
> 1) Atlantis with everything: racks, bags, fenders, dynamo, lights
> 2) Atlantis bare to the bone, nothing but fat tires
> 3) Hilsen or Legolas (gotta spend that last $4K)
>
> Or I could have a Venge. 
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:53:15 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> form certainly follows function, because that is one ugly bike
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] FS: reduced prices! tweed bags, canvas bags...

[Liesl]

Thomas, hope you got my email.  I'll take the tweed saddle sack, you evil 
lowered-price tempter.

xxoo liesl

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[John]

If the roads are relatively empty, pedal and ankle reflectors will make the 
cyclist visible in headlights for a long ways.

But what about when the cyclist is approaching from either side at an 
angle? Or riding in busy traffic?
 
Often, when I see a cyclist ahead of me riding in the right hand side of 
the right hand lane, they are only visible from the butt up.

Headlights, rear lights and reflectors mounted below the saddle are hidden 
behind the cars in front of me.

So only the lights or reflective clothing worn from the butt up increase 
the cyclists' visibility as I approach the cyclists from the rear.

Steady rear lights on racks or saddles can be confused for the tail light 
of one of the cars ahead of me, as perceiving the distance of one 
particular red light in traffic can be confusing.

I'd rather see a blinky up ahead of me to tell me there is someone 
somewhere up ahead riding on two wheels.

But if car drivers are texting, they can probably tune out the most 
obnoxious bike lights if they can miss seeing my Honda CRV.

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[George Schick]

IIRC, a few years ago the people at Rivendell sent an e-mail with a link to 
a database where we could enter all pertinent info about bikes we bought 
from them, including date purchased, dealer name, model, etc., AND serial 
number.  I'm not sure what ever happened to all that info, but if we filled 
it out, and our bike was stolen, couldn't we call or e-mail them to get the 
serial number?


On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 3:31:34 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>
> Waterford has bike registry as well: 
> http://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/register-your-bike/
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 1:17:56 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> And don't forget to record those serial #'s on Bike Index: 
>> https://bikeindex.org/ !1 
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Julian  wrote: 
>> > Wow! That's terrific. Prompted me to be sure I've actually got a record 
>> of 
>> > serial #'s! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[john muhl]

Do you mean this? https://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=323

On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 4:54:09 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> IIRC, a few years ago the people at Rivendell sent an e-mail with a link 
> to a database where we could enter all pertinent info about bikes we bought 
> from them, including date purchased, dealer name, model, etc., AND serial 
> number.  I'm not sure what ever happened to all that info, but if we filled 
> it out, and our bike was stolen, couldn't we call or e-mail them to get the 
> serial number?
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 3:31:34 PM UTC-5, john muhl wrote:
>>
>> Waterford has bike registry as well: 
>> http://waterfordbikes.com/w/support/register-your-bike/
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 1:17:56 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> And don't forget to record those serial #'s on Bike Index: 
>>> https://bikeindex.org/ !1 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Julian  wrote: 
>>> > Wow! That's terrific. Prompted me to be sure I've actually got a 
>>> record of 
>>> > serial #'s! 
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[RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Ryan Fleming]

Agreed...don't think it's totally ugly...I gotta say...I like the shoes 
though...classique looking
On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 3:29:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Eh, I have neither the money nor the need for such a device, but I think 
> it's pretty cool. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:53:15 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> form certainly follows function, because that is one ugly bike
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Ryan Fleming]

Well...really glad you got your bike back; I admire your tenacity but I 
know it means a lot to you. Always good to see a stolen bike story have a 
happy ending
On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:38:11 AM UTC-5, Mark Wilkins wrote:
>
> Thanks to all for your well-wishes! 
>
> @Johnny: I've had the same thought.  I'm pretty certain that the 
> homeless man who had the bike was not the person that stole it out of 
> my garage six months ago, but he may have been protecting the one who 
> did. 
>
> Still, I think I will stop by Hornung's to see if they might have sold 
> the bike at some point. 
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Johnny Alien  > wrote: 
> > For what it's worth, I know that hardware store and know some of the 
> > Hornungs as well. I do not 100% buy that person's story and doubt that 
> they 
> > had that bike there for $30. I could be wrong but I think that was just 
> a 
> > story for the cops. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4, Ray Shine wrote: 
> >> 
> >> It sounds to me like the hardware store owner is pretty much a fence 
> for 
> >> bicycle thieves, and maybe other goodies. I'd boycott that place and 
> put out 
> >> the word for others to do the same. No telling what he's stashed in his 
> back 
> >> room. 
> >> 
> >>  
> >> From: Shoji Takahashi  
> >> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:24 AM 
> >> Subject: [RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE! 
> >> 
> >> Great story... amazing to read it unfold. 
> >> 
> >> Is the PD looking into that hardware store? 
> >> 
> >> Happy riding, 
> >> Shoji 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags for your cycling adventures

[Nancy Seibel]

Update. All 3 bags sold! 

On Sunday, June 21, 2015 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-4, Nancy Seibel wrote:
>
> All prices include shipping. From newest to oldest. Each has some signs of 
> use/fading. All are in great shape. The Swift bag shows the least signs of 
> wear. Selling them because over time they're not quite working out for me - 
> they deserve to move on to new homes. 
>
> Here's a link to photos 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/fp9gc7eiym94i56/AACMQfB2vUprcef9Khndabzla
>
> 1. Velo Orange Croissant Saddle Bag - $35 -Black canvas, tan leather trim, 
> with stiffener
> 2. Swift Zeitgeist Saddlebag - $75. Gray body, yellow pockets. Cordura. 
> With dowel. You'll need to get a Bagman QR rack for this bag. 
> 3. Sackville Saddlesack Small - $85 Green canvas, tan leather trim.
>
> Email me if you're interested. 
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[RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[Deacon Patrick]

What a gift you found the sacramental of so many wonderful memories and 
have it back!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 3:54:48 PM UTC-6, Mark Wilkins wrote:
>
> Just spotted my blue ram, stolen in December, locked to a rack in downtown 
> Harrisburg, PA. Waiting for police (1hr so far) 
>
> Can't believe it! 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: Stolen Rambouillet UPDATE!

[DS]

WaitI'm still jealous that someone scored a Rivendell for $30. Doesn't 
he know he needs to to agonize over every decision from frame size to 
component choice for months, posting here multiple times, and calling 
Rivendell at least a dozen times to get a large enough sample of opinions 
from the employees there to make an educated decision, only to wonder 'what 
if' once you get the bike that took what seemed like 5 years to build and 
come in ?!?!?!? Well I never

I mean, congrats on getting the bike back ;)  What a happy ending.

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[RBW] BUMP: FS: Not 6 but 7 summer jerseys, 6 en plastique & 1 cotton, $45 shipped Priority CONUS.

[Patrick Moore]

$45 shipped CONUS.

Add #7: Nice, heavyweight cotton knit jersey, olive green, 3 back pockets
with one zipped, 21" X 26"; no add'l charge.

NOTE WELL! The dye is a wee bit faded in parts, so the overall impression
is a bit mottled. Still, of all the 6 jerseys, it was my favorite.

This is a true jersey cut with zip plaquet and 3 rear pockets, cut
slimmish. "Large Hardware" logo screened in white on right sleeve.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> 1 and 2: Pearl Izumi red, 21" pit-to-pit, 27" bottom of collar to bottom
> of tail.
>
> 3: A waffle weave Pearl Izumi, red, 21.5" X 27"
>
> 3: "Full Sail", 21" X 29"
>
> 4. Voler, "Oregon", 22" X 28" (worn only ironically here in NM)
>
> 5. Voler, "Mickelson Trail," 22" X 29"
>
> 6. Pactimo, full zip, 21" X 26.5"
>
> In other news:

1. For the overly beefy Fargo frame and stiff alum seatpost, on our
somewhat horse-choppy acequia roads: 15/18 psi seems to be the golden mean
between comfort and absence of annoying flop on pavement.

2. It has been *hot!* Just rode, 93*F, a drop of at least 10* since our
afternoon high. Main point: Wore lightweight Rivendell Wooly Warm jersey,
the ones with 3 button plaquet and button rear pockets (thanks again, Tom).
It feels a bit scratchier than my smoothest merino, but it was quite
comfortable both during the ride and afterward (garage 91*F). I think I've
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[RBW] Re: BUMP: FS: Not 6 but 7 summer jerseys, 6 en plastique & 1 cotton, $45 shipped Priority CONUS.

[Patrick Moore]

I posted photos before; can post again offlist if anyone wants to see them.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> $45 shipped CONUS.
>
> Add #7: Nice, heavyweight cotton knit jersey, olive green, 3 back pockets
> with one zipped, 21" X 26"; no add'l charge.
>
> NOTE WELL! The dye is a wee bit faded in parts, so the overall impression
> is a bit mottled. Still, of all the 6 jerseys, it was my favorite.
>
> This is a true jersey cut with zip plaquet and 3 rear pockets, cut
> slimmish. "Large Hardware" logo screened in white on right sleeve.
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1 and 2: Pearl Izumi red, 21" pit-to-pit, 27" bottom of collar to bottom
>> of tail.
>>
>> 3: A waffle weave Pearl Izumi, red, 21.5" X 27"
>>
>> 3: "Full Sail", 21" X 29"
>>
>> 4. Voler, "Oregon", 22" X 28" (worn only ironically here in NM)
>>
>> 5. Voler, "Mickelson Trail," 22" X 29"
>>
>> 6. Pactimo, full zip, 21" X 26.5"
>>
>> In other news:
>
> 1. For the overly beefy Fargo frame and stiff alum seatpost, on our
> somewhat horse-choppy acequia roads: 15/18 psi seems to be the golden mean
> between comfort and absence of annoying flop on pavement.
>
> 2. It has been *hot!* Just rode, 93*F, a drop of at least 10* since our
> afternoon high. Main point: Wore lightweight Rivendell Wooly Warm jersey,
> the ones with 3 button plaquet and button rear pockets (thanks again, Tom).
> It feels a bit scratchier than my smoothest merino, but it was quite
> comfortable both during the ride and afterward (garage 91*F). I think I've
> discovered something that others knew long ago.
>
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[RBW] First thing I'm selling to fund a hillborne :p

[Daniel D.]

Thought the list might find this humorously appropriate for a rivendell 
purchase.  This thing's easy to get rid of, it's not too precious and not 
so fun at times.  The things after this are going to "hurt" a bit more.  My 
Kurt Kinetic Road Machine indoor trainer is on the chopping block. 

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[RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[jpp]

I think it is cool in its own way.  It is kind of like a race car.  Would I 
ever buy one?  NO, but I would take one out for a spin if I could.

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>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-specialized-s-works-venge-vias-for-tour-de-france-revealed-2015-6
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[RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good way of looking at it. A Formula One carbon fiber race car would 
be hilarious fun to do a couple runs in, but you wouldn't want to drag it to 
the local market for milk and eggs even if you could afford to. 

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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Matthew,  

Please keep us posted as you continue to use this device.  It sounds like a 
great alternative and I'm interested in hearing more real use experiences.

Matt

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 8:34:41 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Finally have my new commuter up and running.  Took it on some shake down 
> rides over the weekend and rode to work this a.m.
>
> Frame and front rack are custom.  Some on the RBW group may be interested 
> in the Velogical dynamo I am using to power the head lights and tail lights.
>
> The new frame has a dynamo braze on but you can buy the Velogical with 
> bolt on mounts.  As this builder picture 
>  shows, the 
> Velogical tucks neatly under the Honjo H-35 fenders.  There is a simple 
> wire lever that either locks the dynamo on to the wheel or off. 
>
> Lights are Lumotec EYC and Secula - you can see the latter in the linked 
> picture.  Velogical instantly powered both.  Even at low speed the lighting 
> is as bright as I could ever need in the city.  Engaged it makes a little 
> noise - not enough to annoy me - coasting the TT White Industry freewheel 
> is louder  I imagine there has to be drag, but nothing I notice.  It has 
> been pretty wet here in Chicago the last few days (weeks really).  I 
> deliberately rode through puddles.  Velogical did not seem to slip any.  I 
> hope to take the bike on some short tours away from city lights soon. 
>  Frankly the lighting appears bright enough that I do not expect any 
> problems.
>
> I have a SON hub on my tour bike and had one on my previous commuter. 
>  They are definitely great power generators.  Velogical is somewhat less 
> expensive, lighter, and allows use of whatever front hub you want.  Time 
> will tell whether these little dynamos are durable.  At this point it 
> definitely appears to be a viable alternative to generator hubs for some 
> uses.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The 5 minute bike...the worst of marketing

[Philip Williamson]

Ahh! Frankly I thought there was a 1:1 correlation of disbelief in evolution 
and disbelief in climate change. 
I do like that bike, though. I'm as likely to fly a TIE fighter as ever ride 
one, but I like it for the same reasons.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Taillights

[stonehog]

In my opinion, blinkies are what safety obsessed newbies or just folks too 
selfish to care about group biking etiquette use. Sometimes when we grow up, 
the blinky goes off. 😘

Seriously, folks - if you have to wear the reflective gear of a DOT flagger, 
AND have several blinkies to feel safe, do it. I will either pass your annoying 
beacon or find an alternate route. 

Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA

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