[RBW] Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Marc Irwin]

Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike 
rally in Michigan.  Of course there are a lot of places many people would 
like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached 
international importance are right out my back door and I do it every year. 
 Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs Campground 
and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the route of the 
Barry Roubaix gravel race and spend the 
following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the weather) to Grand 
Rapids for the Art Prize competition 
.  
I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to tag 
along.  It would be the last weekend of September 2015.  

Marc

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Re: [RBW] Long Shot: WTB Noodle Cockpit

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mike,
The Mark's Bar is in KC. When I'm there it's usually for such a short time that 
I prefer to ride rather than reconfigure. That being said, the Mark's is not a 
bad bar at all, I just prefer the Noodle.

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Re: [RBW] Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Tim Gavin]

That sounds fun, Mark.  I'm definitely interested, and Lil probably will be
too.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Marc Irwin  wrote:

> Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike
> rally in Michigan.  Of course there are a lot of places many people would
> like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached
> international importance are right out my back door and I do it every
> year.  Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs
> Campground and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the
> route of the Barry Roubaix gravel race and
> spend the following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the
> weather) to Grand Rapids for the Art Prize competition
> .
> I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to
> tag along.  It would be the last weekend of September 2015.
>
> Marc
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Michael Hechmer]

Ok, I'm rather late to this discussion but after 35 years of riding I have 
set up and used a lot of brakes.  The two worst brakes I have ever had were 
shimano (550?) cantis and an early, mid 80's diacompe canti. Both hard to 
set up and poor stopping with shimano levers.  My favorite have been the 
Paul's neo-retros.  They have been on a number of my bikes.  I have sold 
the bikes but never the brakes.  I have had a lot of other brakes I really 
liked.  Campy Grand Sport, which I have had for 25years and are still on my 
winter bike.  Chorus & Ultegra side pulls. Great power, good modulation, 
easy set up, but all needing regular attention.  I have the posted racers 
on the tandem. and RacerM's on my Ram.

It's hard for me to compare the power of the Racers with the retros since 
the loaded tandem weighs 400+ lbs.  However they do a pretty good job both 
in stopping the tandem and in modulation.  My only complaint against them 
has been the opening.  They are specked for 55mm fenders and 38 mm inflated 
tires, although I have managed to get the VO 60mm fenders under them.  The 
Racer Ms on the Ram are fabulous for a fendered bike with mid size tires on 
them.  When all is said and done, though the Neo-Retros overcome all of 
these problems.  I have swapped out the pads for shortys and so they open 
up as wide as I need them.  They never interfere with any fender.  They are 
incredibly powerful and when matched with tectro levers offer great 
modulation.  My only complaint against cantis is because they sit below the 
fenders, they get very dirty.

When I bought my first set of Paul's I had a hard time setting them up. 
 Once I learned how to work with these brakes I have found them the easiest 
brakes I own to set up and they hold that set up wonderfully.  If anyone 
has a pair and is struggling with set up I would suggest studying their 
instructions  http://www.paulcomp.com/shared/instructions/neoretro.pdf ) 
carefully and be patient with yourself.  After you have worked with them a 
bit a light will go off and it will be very easy.  If you have worked with 
other "modern" Cantis or CPs, its like switching from Windows to OSX. 
 Confusion followed by, "Oh that's how you do it, simple."

Good brakes can be a lifetime investment.  I like that Paul sells all the 
wear parts individually and at reasonable prices.  I expect these brakes to 
outlive me by many, many years.

Michael

On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:23:21 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Whoops, sorry, the replacement for the Dura Ace/Tourney front centerpull 
> was a dual pivot, 57 mm reach Shimano; salmon pads.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Someone on the boblist (I think) traded or gave me a pair of "Dura Ace" 
>> (so pantographed; Olof Stroh says Shimano sold these under the DA moniker 
>> for 6 months in 1976; but *in re *= Tourney) centerpulls that he had 
>> manually polished. Those were both exquisitely beautiful (until the 
>> unprotected aluminum oxidized) and more powerful than any Racer or Weinmann 
>> I've used -- possibly slightly shorter arms. But IME, good calipers (even 
>> single pivot) worked just as well -- all instances with salmon Kool Stops 
>> (but centerpulls all mounted with single bolt bracket). I replaced the DA 
>> centerpull on the Motobecane now owned by Eric after coming down a steep 
>> hill with 30 lb of groceries, hauling on the lever, and finding that, after 
>> a certain point, lever travel meant no augmentation of retardation. The 57 
>> mm reach single pivot replacement worked better.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Eric Norris > > wrote:
>>
>>> Seems to me you could get *almost* the same performance at a much lower 
>>> cost by sourcing some original Mafac Raids. Spend a little money to have 
>>> them professionally polished, and Voila!
>>>
>>> The Mafac Racers on my Motobecane are nearly as pretty, but they’re 
>>> about the most powerful brakes I own (including sidepulls,  V brakes, and 
>>> more modern centerpulls).
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Matthew J]

> They aren't available yet.

They are now.  $325.00 for brakes and bolts.  $469.00 with the rack.  So 
$500.00 a bit off. 

http://www.compasscycle.com/brakesCmCpl.html

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Leslie]

Just saw that  

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:08:37 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > They aren't available yet.
>
> They are now.  $325.00 for brakes and bolts.  $469.00 with the rack.  So 
> $500.00 a bit off. 
>
> http://www.compasscycle.com/brakesCmCpl.html
>

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Bill Lindsay]

That is a very pleasant surprise.  I'm very happy to be wrong.  I hope 
Compass makes their reasonable and fair margins at that price.  The rack is 
fantastic.  

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 6:08:37 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > They aren't available yet.
>
> They are now.  $325.00 for brakes and bolts.  $469.00 with the rack.  So 
> $500.00 a bit off. 
>
> http://www.compasscycle.com/brakesCmCpl.html
>

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[RBW] FS: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700cx50

[Clayton.sf]

Okay, let's make this $125 shipped. 

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[David Spranger]

Building a custom bike is pure fantasy for me, but those brakes just 
entered that fantasy.

David
Charlotte, NC

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:36:04 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That is a very pleasant surprise.  I'm very happy to be wrong.  I hope 
> Compass makes their reasonable and fair margins at that price.  The rack is 
> fantastic.  
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 6:08:37 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> > They aren't available yet.
>>
>> They are now.  $325.00 for brakes and bolts.  $469.00 with the rack.  So 
>> $500.00 a bit off. 
>>
>> http://www.compasscycle.com/brakesCmCpl.html
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Matthew J]

You aren't that wrong.  Still pricey.  But likely worth it on the right 
custom build.

Wonder how long before we see a custom Riv with a set?  An otherwise 
straight up 650B Hilsen with Compass braze on brakes?!?

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:36:04 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That is a very pleasant surprise.  I'm very happy to be wrong.  I hope 
> Compass makes their reasonable and fair margins at that price.  The rack is 
> fantastic.  
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 6:08:37 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> > They aren't available yet.
>>
>> They are now.  $325.00 for brakes and bolts.  $469.00 with the rack.  So 
>> $500.00 a bit off. 
>>
>> http://www.compasscycle.com/brakesCmCpl.html
>>
>

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[RBW] Waterford Built Rivendell 62m Hunqapillar for sale (silver with cream head tube)

[Keith B]

New Waterford Built Rivendell 62m Hunqapillar for sale (silver with cream 
head tube) for $3,499 or best offer. Less than 200 miles. In mint 
condition. This complete bike cost over $4,700. For sale by original owner 
(me) with proof of paperwork. 

Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24; Phil Wood BB
Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26; Nitto S83 Seatpost 
26.8; Nitto cable hanger
Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace Bar End Shifters, Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro Brake 
Interrupter
Silver Chris King Headset
Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
WHEELS: 700c R36 Phil Cass 135 Synergy;WHEEL 700c F36 Phil Synergy with 
Schwable 
Marathon Dureme Tires
BRAKES:Paul Neo Retro Brake; Paul Touring Canti Brake and Paul Moon Units

I live in the East Bay. Please feel to contact my off the list at klbeato 
at gmail

Cheers!








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[RBW] Re: Waterford Built Rivendell 62m Hunqapillar for sale (silver with cream head tube)

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow, Keith! Gorgeous Hunqapillar! (the picture shows sideways for me, if it 
does for others you may want to post photos to Flickr or elsewhere with 
greater control over how they look). Whomever gets this will be delighted!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:27:12 AM UTC-7, Keith B wrote:
>
> New Waterford Built Rivendell 62m Hunqapillar for sale (silver with cream 
> head tube) for $3,499 or best offer. Less than 200 miles. In mint 
> condition. This complete bike cost over $4,700. For sale by original owner 
> (me) with proof of paperwork. 
>
> Sugino XD Triple 44/34/24; Phil Wood BB
> Nitto Noodle Bars 48cm 26.0; Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 26; Nitto S83 Seatpost 
> 26.8; Nitto cable hanger
> Shimano 9 sp Dura Ace Bar End Shifters, Shimano Aero Levers; Tecktro 
> Brake Interrupter
> Silver Chris King Headset
> Shimano XT rear derailleur; Shimano XT front derailleur
> WHEELS: 700c R36 Phil Cass 135 Synergy;WHEEL 700c F36 Phil Synergy with 
> Schwable 
> Marathon Dureme Tires
> BRAKES:Paul Neo Retro Brake; Paul Touring Canti Brake and Paul Moon Units
>
> I live in the East Bay. Please feel to contact my off the list at klbeato 
> at gmail
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[BSWP]

And just like that, they're announced as available

http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/compass-centerpull-brakes-are-here/

Prices compare not-too-unfavorably to the Pauls. Very tempting.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I'm not a huge flag-waver, but Pauls are made in Chico, CA. 
I know Taiwanese folks have families and kids and hobbies and mortgages, 
but I guess I'd rather give my money to Mr. Price and support their local 
economy.


On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:19:34 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>
> And just like that, they're announced as available
>
>
> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/compass-centerpull-brakes-are-here/
>
> Prices compare not-too-unfavorably to the Pauls. Very tempting.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Bill Lindsay]

Let your flag fly!  It's always fun to think of reasons to put money in Mr 
Price's register.  

Compass brakes are *partially* made in the USA, but farther away from me 
than Chico  ;-) .  Also, there is no frame in existence that takes both the 
Compass brakes and Paul Racers* (they use different posts).  So the only 
people that really have a choice between those two products are people who 
are about to specify a custom frame for 42mm tires and want braze-on 
centerpull brakes.  That's not a lot of people.  For me, the integrated 
rack (made by non-Americans at Nitto) is super attractive.  The fact I can 
buy some super swank hardware to bling out my Mafac Racers is kind of fun, 
too.

Bill-who-loves-to-buy-American-Lindsay  

*p.s.  OK, I suppose that if you had a frame that you wanted to run 
center-mount center-pull brakes, you would have the choice between 
centermount Paul Racers as option A, and as option B you could buy Mafac 
Raid yokes on Ebay, and buy Compass brakes and cobble together your own set 
up.  Option C would be to buy Mafac Raids on Ebay and upgrade the hardware 
from Compass (or use them stock).  Option D is Dia Compe 750s, also not 
made in the USA.  

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:55:54 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm not a huge flag-waver, but Pauls are made in Chico, CA. 
> I know Taiwanese folks have families and kids and hobbies and mortgages, 
> but I guess I'd rather give my money to Mr. Price and support their local 
> economy.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:19:34 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> And just like that, they're announced as available
>>
>>
>> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/compass-centerpull-brakes-are-here/
>>
>> Prices compare not-too-unfavorably to the Pauls. Very tempting.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>

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[RBW] Speaking of buying American: half-and-half bags!

[Bill Lindsay]

I've been waiting for ShopSack Mediums to come back in stock.  I'm an Olive 
bag-matcher.  I even briefly considered getting my first TAN Sackville bag, 
but those were out of stock, too.  Now look at what they have.  Half and 
half ShopSacks!  

Half-and-half 

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of buying American: half-and-half bags!

[dougP]

That's way too close to trendy!  Neat idea.

dougP

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:59:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I've been waiting for ShopSack Mediums to come back in stock.  I'm an 
> Olive bag-matcher.  I even briefly considered getting my first TAN 
> Sackville bag, but those were out of stock, too.  Now look at what they 
> have.  Half and half ShopSacks!  
>
> Half-and-half 
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Eric Norris]

Option E would be Mafac Racers, which aren't as pretty, but can be polished 
with some Simichrome and which have excellent stopping power. Last time I 
checked, even NOS Racers are fairly easy to find.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Let your flag fly!  It's always fun to think of reasons to put money in Mr 
> Price's register.  
> 
> Compass brakes are partially made in the USA, but farther away from me than 
> Chico  ;-) .  Also, there is no frame in existence that takes both the 
> Compass brakes and Paul Racers* (they use different posts).  So the only 
> people that really have a choice between those two products are people who 
> are about to specify a custom frame for 42mm tires and want braze-on 
> centerpull brakes.  That's not a lot of people.  For me, the integrated rack 
> (made by non-Americans at Nitto) is super attractive.  The fact I can buy 
> some super swank hardware to bling out my Mafac Racers is kind of fun, too.
> 
> Bill-who-loves-to-buy-American-Lindsay  
> 
> *p.s.  OK, I suppose that if you had a frame that you wanted to run 
> center-mount center-pull brakes, you would have the choice between 
> centermount Paul Racers as option A, and as option B you could buy Mafac Raid 
> yokes on Ebay, and buy Compass brakes and cobble together your own set up.  
> Option C would be to buy Mafac Raids on Ebay and upgrade the hardware from 
> Compass (or use them stock).  Option D is Dia Compe 750s, also not made in 
> the USA.  
> 
>> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:55:54 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm not a huge flag-waver, but Pauls are made in Chico, CA. 
>> I know Taiwanese folks have families and kids and hobbies and mortgages, but 
>> I guess I'd rather give my money to Mr. Price and support their local 
>> economy.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:19:34 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>> And just like that, they're announced as available
>>> 
>>> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/compass-centerpull-brakes-are-here/
>>> 
>>> Prices compare not-too-unfavorably to the Pauls. Very tempting.
>>> 
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
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Re: [RBW] Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Marc Irwin]

Keep it on the calendar Tim.  I put it up there so people could consider it 
for their 2015 plans.  I will no doubt be able to get some people locally 
to come, but am hoping some from other areas will set the date aside.

Marc

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:45:49 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> That sounds fun, Mark.  I'm definitely interested, and Lil probably will 
> be too.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:05 AM, Marc Irwin  > wrote:
>
>> Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike 
>> rally in Michigan.  Of course there are a lot of places many people would 
>> like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached 
>> international importance are right out my back door and I do it every 
>> year.  Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs 
>> Campground and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the 
>> route of the Barry Roubaix gravel race and 
>> spend the following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the 
>> weather) to Grand Rapids for the Art Prize competition 
>> .  
>> I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to 
>> tag along.  It would be the last weekend of September 2015.  
>>
>> Marc
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I selectively edited out the "and USA" portion of the ad page!!!

Concerns humbly withdrawn!

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:41:38 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Let your flag fly!  It's always fun to think of reasons to put money in Mr 
> Price's register.  
>
> Compass brakes are *partially* made in the USA, but farther away from me 
> than Chico  ;-) .  Also, there is no frame in existence that takes both the 
> Compass brakes and Paul Racers* (they use different posts).  So the only 
> people that really have a choice between those two products are people who 
> are about to specify a custom frame for 42mm tires and want braze-on 
> centerpull brakes.  That's not a lot of people.  For me, the integrated 
> rack (made by non-Americans at Nitto) is super attractive.  The fact I can 
> buy some super swank hardware to bling out my Mafac Racers is kind of fun, 
> too.
>
> Bill-who-loves-to-buy-American-Lindsay  
>
> *p.s.  OK, I suppose that if you had a frame that you wanted to run 
> center-mount center-pull brakes, you would have the choice between 
> centermount Paul Racers as option A, and as option B you could buy Mafac 
> Raid yokes on Ebay, and buy Compass brakes and cobble together your own set 
> up.  Option C would be to buy Mafac Raids on Ebay and upgrade the hardware 
> from Compass (or use them stock).  Option D is Dia Compe 750s, also not 
> made in the USA.  
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:55:54 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I'm not a huge flag-waver, but Pauls are made in Chico, CA. 
>> I know Taiwanese folks have families and kids and hobbies and mortgages, 
>> but I guess I'd rather give my money to Mr. Price and support their local 
>> economy.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:19:34 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>>
>>> And just like that, they're announced as available
>>>
>>>
>>> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/compass-centerpull-brakes-are-here/
>>>
>>> Prices compare not-too-unfavorably to the Pauls. Very tempting.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Bill Lindsay]

Mafac Racers are smaller than Paul Racers and the Compass brakes.  Without 
question if you are running 700x32 or thereabouts with fenders, Mafac 
Racers can be had very affordably and are really fun to profile and polish. 
 But for 650Bx42 + fenders, Mafac Racers are not an option, right?  You 
need Raids which are much rarer, or the very rare and weird Tiger.  

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 12:38:52 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Option E would be Mafac Racers, which aren't as pretty, but can be 
> polished with some Simichrome and which have excellent stopping power. Last 
> time I checked, even NOS Racers are fairly easy to find.
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Bill Lindsay > 
> wrote:
>
> Let your flag fly!  It's always fun to think of reasons to put money in Mr 
> Price's register.  
>
> Compass brakes are *partially* made in the USA, but farther away from me 
> than Chico  ;-) .  Also, there is no frame in existence that takes both the 
> Compass brakes and Paul Racers* (they use different posts).  So the only 
> people that really have a choice between those two products are people who 
> are about to specify a custom frame for 42mm tires and want braze-on 
> centerpull brakes.  That's not a lot of people.  For me, the integrated 
> rack (made by non-Americans at Nitto) is super attractive.  The fact I can 
> buy some super swank hardware to bling out my Mafac Racers is kind of fun, 
> too.
>
> Bill-who-loves-to-buy-American-Lindsay  
>
> *p.s.  OK, I suppose that if you had a frame that you wanted to run 
> center-mount center-pull brakes, you would have the choice between 
> centermount Paul Racers as option A, and as option B you could buy Mafac 
> Raid yokes on Ebay, and buy Compass brakes and cobble together your own set 
> up.  Option C would be to buy Mafac Raids on Ebay and upgrade the hardware 
> from Compass (or use them stock).  Option D is Dia Compe 750s, also not 
> made in the USA.  
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:55:54 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I'm not a huge flag-waver, but Pauls are made in Chico, CA. 
>> I know Taiwanese folks have families and kids and hobbies and mortgages, 
>> but I guess I'd rather give my money to Mr. Price and support their local 
>> economy.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:19:34 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:
>>>
>>> And just like that, they're announced as available
>>>
>>>
>>> http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/compass-centerpull-brakes-are-here/
>>>
>>> Prices compare not-too-unfavorably to the Pauls. Very tempting.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Patrick Moore]

I'll bet they weren't as bad as my all-time tied losers:

Avid BB7 *road bike design* disks; absolutely useless even with 180 front
rotor, best housing and organic pads. The *mountain* design is very good.

Mafac Cantis, both single and tandem versions (salmons, of course and with
both OEM Mafac levers and modern Tektros. Professionals could not get these
to work.

Both kinds were good enough to ride the bikes with, but no pleasant.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> Ok, I'm rather late to this discussion but after 35 years of riding I have
> set up and used a lot of brakes.  The two worst brakes I have ever had were
> shimano (550?) cantis and an early, mid 80's diacompe canti. Both hard to
> set up and poor stopping with shimano levers.  My favorite have been the
> Paul's neo-retros.
>
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Jim Bronson]

I had never heard of the Mafac Tiger before your post but a Google search
lead to quite a number of links.  Learn something new every day.  Also, it
looks like it really should be MAFAC Tiger/Racer/etc as MAFAC stands
for Manufacture
Auvergnoise de Freins et Assessoires pour Cycle.

Who knew?  Not me at any rate.

http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/mafac1-comp.html

-Jim

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Mafac Racers are smaller than Paul Racers and the Compass brakes.  Without
> question if you are running 700x32 or thereabouts with fenders, Mafac
> Racers can be had very affordably and are really fun to profile and
> polish.  But for 650Bx42 + fenders, Mafac Racers are not an option, right?
> You need Raids which are much rarer, or the very rare and weird Tiger.
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 12:38:52 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Option E would be Mafac Racers, which aren't as pretty, but can be
>> polished with some Simichrome and which have excellent stopping power. Last
>> time I checked, even NOS Racers are fairly easy to find.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Let your flag fly!  It's always fun to think of reasons to put money in
>> Mr Price's register.
>>
>> Compass brakes are *partially* made in the USA, but farther away from me
>> than Chico  ;-) .  Also, there is no frame in existence that takes both the
>> Compass brakes and Paul Racers* (they use different posts).  So the only
>> people that really have a choice between those two products are people who
>> are about to specify a custom frame for 42mm tires and want braze-on
>> centerpull brakes.  That's not a lot of people.  For me, the integrated
>> rack (made by non-Americans at Nitto) is super attractive.  The fact I can
>> buy some super swank hardware to bling out my Mafac Racers is kind of fun,
>> too.
>>
>> Bill-who-loves-to-buy-American-Lindsay
>>
>> *p.s.  OK, I suppose that if you had a frame that you wanted to run
>> center-mount center-pull brakes, you would have the choice between
>> centermount Paul Racers as option A, and as option B you could buy Mafac
>> Raid yokes on Ebay, and buy Compass brakes and cobble together your own set
>> up.  Option C would be to buy Mafac Raids on Ebay and upgrade the hardware
>> from Compass (or use them stock).  Option D is Dia Compe 750s, also not
>> made in the USA.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:55:54 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not a huge flag-waver, but Pauls are made in Chico, CA.
>>> I know Taiwanese folks have families and kids and hobbies and mortgages,
>>> but I guess I'd rather give my money to Mr. Price and support their local
>>> economy.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:19:34 AM UTC-8, BSWP wrote:

 And just like that, they're announced as available

 http://janheine.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/compass-centerpull-
 brakes-are-here/

 Prices compare not-too-unfavorably to the Pauls. Very tempting.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of buying American: half-and-half bags!

[Minh]

for those with existing bags, this helps the bag matchers?  because they 
are never matched? or they always match now?  

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:07:36 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> That's way too close to trendy!  Neat idea.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:59:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I've been waiting for ShopSack Mediums to come back in stock.  I'm an 
>> Olive bag-matcher.  I even briefly considered getting my first TAN 
>> Sackville bag, but those were out of stock, too.  Now look at what they 
>> have.  Half and half ShopSacks!  
>>
>> Half-and-half 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Matthew J]

> Mafac Cantis, both single and tandem versions (salmons, of course and 
with both OEM Mafac levers and modern Tektros. Professionals could not get 
these to work.

My experience as well.

But Peter Weigle uses them on more than a few of his bikes and reviews 
claim they work.  Maybe his magic touch goes beyond perfect lugs and 
beautiful paint?

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of buying American: half-and-half bags!

[Bill Lindsay]

It combines my compulsive bag-matcher with a deliberate self-referential 
wabi sabi aesthetic.  Most of all it lets me overthink things.  

*Work hard*
*Play hard*

*Think hard*
On Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:32:56 PM UTC-8, Minh wrote:
>
> for those with existing bags, this helps the bag matchers?  because they 
> are never matched? or they always match now?  
>
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 2:07:36 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> That's way too close to trendy!  Neat idea.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:59:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been waiting for ShopSack Mediums to come back in stock.  I'm an 
>>> Olive bag-matcher.  I even briefly considered getting my first TAN 
>>> Sackville bag, but those were out of stock, too.  Now look at what they 
>>> have.  Half and half ShopSacks!  
>>>
>>> Half-and-half 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Jan Heine]

Paul Price (the "Paul" of Paul Component Engineering) and I have known each 
other for a very long time. I remember how he called me up after I wrote an 
article about centerpulls for the Riv. Reader, way back in the last century 
(before Bicycle Quarterly), and asked about them. I sent him a set of old 
Mafac Racers, and he liked them so much that he made his own Racers.

We talked back then about forging the arms, and he told me that in the 
U.S., there simply isn't anybody making small aluminum forgings like that. 
So you basically have a choice of CNC-machining in the U.S. or having them 
forged where the technology exists. These days, even TA cranks are forged 
in Taiwan. Forging requires a higher initial investment, but the part is 
stronger and thus can be made lighter, and there isn't as much waste. (With 
CNC-machining, you make a lot of chips as you chisel the part out of a 
block of aluminum. With forging, you squish a piece of aluminum that is 
roughly the right size into a die that gives the part the shape you want.)

To me, "made in the U.S." isn't that important, as long as it's made under 
good working conditions. My friends live all over the world, and it doesn't 
make sense to prefer my American friends over my Japanese, French or German 
friends. We look at each supplier to make sure they are working in ways 
that I can support, both with concern to labor and to the environment. 

Beyond that, I do prefer short supply paths, for environmental and 
logistical reasons. If possible, we'll make components close to Seattle, 
like our laser-cut rack tabs, our frame alignment gauges, and some other 
projects that are still in development. We buy American-made brake shoes, 
and our tire wipers are made by a retired guy in the U.S. who is grateful 
for the extra income. Our leather washers for fender mounting come from 
California...

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
Seattle WA USA
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 9:55:54 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm not a huge flag-waver, but Pauls are made in Chico, CA. 
> I know Taiwanese folks have families and kids and hobbies and mortgages, 
> but I guess I'd rather give my money to Mr. Price and support their local 
> economy.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Suntour derailleur's and other items

[Mike Schiller]

everything is sold. Thanks to everyone who contacted me.

~mike


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[RBW] Re: FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm

[Z]

Proud owner of the new 56 cm *Rivendell* Atlantis right here!  Thanks to 
Mr. Wildcat.  May the trusty Bombadil carry you to at least as many 
beautiful places as it did me.

Zach

P.S.  Anyone got 26" wheels lying around???

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:43:03 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> Excellent news!  Congatulations.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, October 24, 2014 12:49:16 PM UTC-7, Wildcat96 wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> Hey all, I picked this frame up from a fellow Riv fan locally and was 
>> hoping to transfer most of the parts over from my Alba-bar 51cm Sam.  After 
>> spending some time on the phone with the guys at Riv, I am not so sure now 
>> that I'm going to be happy with the fit as it's borderline too big.  I am 
>> 5'7" with a 81 PBH.  It is still in the original packaging and I only 
>> pulled it out to inspect it for damage and snap some pics.  I am asking 
>> $1850 plus shipping, but I am open to other offers or possibly trading for 
>> an 53 or 54.5 Atlantis, 48 or 51 Hunqapillar, 48 Bombadil, or even a 54 
>> Hilsen that is new or in decent shape.  This is the brand new Waterford 
>> frame that Riv sells for $2300.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Sean Cleary]

I'm very interested to see your part of the Midwest Mark, particularly after 
riding a few Country Rallys with you here in MinneSnowta. If stars align next 
September, Homer Hilsen and I are in.

Sean

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[RBW] Re: FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm

[dougP]

Zach:

Congratulations!  You're gonna love the Atlantis.  Here's a link to the 
iBOB site where a guy has a set of 26" wheels:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/internet-bob/ZyXsk4GjaYE

It's a 5 speed FW though.

dougP

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 6:47:28 PM UTC-8, Z wrote:
>
> Proud owner of the new 56 cm *Rivendell* Atlantis right here!  Thanks to 
> Mr. Wildcat.  May the trusty Bombadil carry you to at least as many 
> beautiful places as it did me.
>
> Zach
>
> P.S.  Anyone got 26" wheels lying around???
>
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:43:03 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Excellent news!  Congatulations.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Friday, October 24, 2014 12:49:16 PM UTC-7, Wildcat96 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hey all, I picked this frame up from a fellow Riv fan locally and was 
>>> hoping to transfer most of the parts over from my Alba-bar 51cm Sam.  After 
>>> spending some time on the phone with the guys at Riv, I am not so sure now 
>>> that I'm going to be happy with the fit as it's borderline too big.  I am 
>>> 5'7" with a 81 PBH.  It is still in the original packaging and I only 
>>> pulled it out to inspect it for damage and snap some pics.  I am asking 
>>> $1850 plus shipping, but I am open to other offers or possibly trading for 
>>> an 53 or 54.5 Atlantis, 48 or 51 Hunqapillar, 48 Bombadil, or even a 54 
>>> Hilsen that is new or in decent shape.  This is the brand new Waterford 
>>> frame that Riv sells for $2300.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[dougP]

An upside to winter is people start noodling on next years adventures.  If 
Marc & Jim Thill coordinate their events, some of us from Distant Lands may 
be able to convince ourselves to travel to the heartland.  

dougP

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 3:05:21 AM UTC-8, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike 
> rally in Michigan.  Of course there are a lot of places many people would 
> like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached 
> international importance are right out my back door and I do it every year. 
>  Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs Campground 
> and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the route of the 
> Barry Roubaix gravel race and spend the 
> following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the weather) to Grand 
> Rapids for the Art Prize competition 
> .  
> I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to 
> tag along.  It would be the last weekend of September 2015.  
>
> Marc
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Re: [RBW] About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Patrick Moore]

My brother gets Mafac cantis, and the shorter armed single version, to
boot, to work well; and so do others, obviously. Me and my bike shop
surrogates: no go.

Must be moon phases or one's zodiacal position

Patrick "no luck, boots or no boots" Moore




On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Matthew J  wrote:

> > Mafac Cantis, both single and tandem versions (salmons, of course and
> with both OEM Mafac levers and modern Tektros. Professionals could not get
> these to work.
>
> My experience as well.
>
> But Peter Weigle uses them on more than a few of his bikes and reviews
> claim they work.  Maybe his magic touch goes beyond perfect lugs and
> beautiful paint?
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[RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[lungimsam]

I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost, 
brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals, 
shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations, 
cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff.

But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel 
building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't 
wanna mess anything up.
But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS 
for things.

What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without 
damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have 
the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff.

Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters 
don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels, 
so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a 
Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my 
Rivbikes.

Any ideas? How'd you learn?

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Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Goshen Peter]

youtube is your friend at first, its easier to see visually what people are
doing than to read about it. Then just go for it, if you break something
expensive, you wont break it again most likely! I learned mostly on my own,
internet, youtube, a lot of trial and error.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:25 AM, lungimsam  wrote:

> I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost,
> brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals,
> shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations,
> cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff.
>
> But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel
> building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't
> wanna mess anything up.
> But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS
> for things.
>
> What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without
> damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have
> the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff.
>
> Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters
> don't match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels,
> so I don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a
> Peugeot (for instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my
> Rivbikes.
>
> Any ideas? How'd you learn?
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[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[lungimsam]

I don't know that I have anything pertinent to add to this thread, but I 
will say, that after installing metal fenders on my sidepull brake road 
bike, I am of the mind now to purchase any future bikes I get with canti 
brakes on them. I just don't want any calipers limiting the height I can 
raise the fender to the fork crown.

You can see how the calipers in the pic below limit that space:

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[RBW] Thankful for rain

[grrlyrida]

I was commuting in the rain also. Where did you get those bag covers? My medium 
saddle bag and large shop sack got soaked, but not its contents. My laptop and 
papers plus food stayed dry. But I'd like a cover over them to keep them 
looking nice. 

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[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[lungimsam]

...With a canti bike, it must be such a sweet feeling to just slide a front 
rack strut bolt into your fork crown and then tighten, ever so gently, 
along with the precisely fitting strut legs to your fork braze-ons, 
installing the rack in just 5 minutes instead of an hour or more trying to 
precisely bend a rack's rear strut tang over sidepull or centerpull caliper 
arms...what a rewarding sigh that must be, afterwards, as you take in the 
beauty of the newly installed front rack, with the smell of the fresh 
beeswax or Loctite in the air that was heated, ever so delicately, by the 
responsible torque-ing of the bolts...did I mention...done in just 5 
minutes...the joyful anticipation of seeing how that front rack bag will 
look nestled onto that bike jewelry you just installed...ok, I'm being 
silly now...

Really, I can't complain. I love and appreciate my bike and brakes so much, 
and it was a lot of fun to install the fenders and rack. I learned a lot 
and love the set up. And the challenges made it very rewarding when it was 
all done. But I remember thinking these type of things at the time I was 
wrestling with all the parts to get them installed.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS/WTT New-in-the box Waterford Atlantis 56cm

[cyclotourist]

That's great, way to keep it in the family!

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Wildcat96  wrote:

> Trade pending on a sweet Bombadil.
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Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Patrick Moore]

Jump in and just do it. I know what I know by making all the mistakes. My
first bike build, age 15, 1970, included at the very least 3 distinct and
incompatible basic component designs and I ended up with a bike that no rim
brake (caliper, stirrup) would fit and a 90" gear. And I accomplished this
build and the next (age 16) much more sophisticated (and more weird) one
using, not only the most basic of tools, but tools that weren't tools: nail
and hammer and large nut to break and assemble chains; one-prong paper
punch for pliers; pipe wrench for wheel nuts; and so forth.

Much more recently, circa 2012, I made -- in the sense of "coerced" -- a
Worksman tricycle frame to accept a Stronglight 99 (I think; 86 bcd) single
with the stock bb assembly (using an Ashtabula to square taper BMX
conversion) by hammering in a very delicately gauged dent in the right
stay. Worked just right and even looked elegant.

This by way of installing a chi chi Grafton triple, of which I was very
proud, on a mtb using the then standard XT type 122.5 mm spindle, and
earning the contempt of a local bike mechanic for the weirdly offset
chainline.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:25 PM, lungimsam  wrote:

>
>
> What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without
> damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have
> the confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff.
>
> ...

>
> Any ideas? How'd you learn?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[lungimsam]

For any project, I like to read, look at vids, and then check the Sheldon 
Brown page, as there are sometimes important things to know that are not 
always mentioned in just one source, like knowing not to use your stem 
bottomed out in the steerer tube 'cuz it can fail if your steerer is 
butted. I think Sheldon's page was the only source I saw that mentioned 
that.

RBW's bike assembly video does not, but should. Because Tallux's and 
Technomics bottom out easily in steerer tubes if you like bars below saddle 
height.

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[RBW] Re: Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[lungimsam]

@ Peter: I guess as long as I don't do any frame damage, I can always 
replace a component that doesn't fit right or work right or gets damaged.

@Patrick: I see, on the other hand, I can just make it fit!!! Ha ha! 

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Re: [RBW] Daring to wrench on my Riv's?

[Tim McNamara]

> On Dec 4, 2014, at 11:25 PM, lungimsam  wrote:
> 
> I can do some stuff on my bikes. Setting up cockpits and saddle/seatpost, 
> brake lever/caliper/housing/cable installation and adjustment, pedals, 
> shifter lever installation and adjustment, fender/rack installations, 
> cassette/chain swapping, etc. The more basic stuff.
> 
> But I haven't dared to do anything with bb's, cranksets, wheel 
> building/truing, headset adjustment, derailer installation. Just don't wanna 
> mess anything up.
> But I want to learn to do this stuff so I don't have to depend on the LBS for 
> things.

Dare.  It’s a bike and thankfully the technology is not mysterious- you can 
usually figure it out just by looking at it.  The mot complicated thing on your 
list is wheel building.  Leave that be until you have some of the other things 
under your belt.

> What's a good way to go about doing these more difficult things without 
> damaging anything? Books and websites are helpful, but I still don't have the 
> confidence to mess with the aforementioned stuff.
> 
> Buy a beater and wrench away on it? But a lot of old road bike beaters don't 
> match the type of components and frame of the RBW bikes and wheels, so I 
> don't know how helpful that would be to break down and rebuild a Peugeot (for 
> instance) to help me learn how to do maintenance on my Rivbikes.
> 
> Any ideas? How'd you learn?

I learned from garbage picking old bikes, tearing them apart, putting them back 
together (often in mix ’n’ match style).  And then I learned from Glenn’s 
Complete Bicycle Manual.  And then I got a job in a bike shop.

If you live in a metropolitan area, there may very well be some classes you can 
take on bike maintenance.  Our own Jim Thill has sponsored some of those 
classes at his shop- this is a great way to learn this stuff because someone 
who knows it is right there.

Kind of a funny thing.  I used to overhaul my bikes every winter- true the 
wheels, repack the various bearings, put on a new chain, clean everything up 
nice and spiffy, regrease every thread, etc.- a pretty much complete teardown.  
Now most of my bikes have sealed bearings in the hubs, BBs and headsets.  I 
rebuild the headset in my Riv (a Stronglight that came with the frame in 1996) 
about every 5 years and even then, when I have it apart, it doesn’t need it.  
Some bike stuff is just way better than it used to be, like bearings.  The Riv 
has Phil hubs, still rolling silky smooth on the original bearings.  It’s got a 
Campy Veloce sealed BB, still smooth after a decade of service.  I spend about 
two hours a year on bike maintenance for three bikes and most of that is wiping 
off crud.

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[RBW] Re: I rode the Clem Smith proto this morning

[Surlyprof]

To chime in some additional data, I'm 5'10.5" tall with an 85 PBH.  I fit a 
55cm Sam perfectly with the seat at 74cm from the center of the cranks. 
 Felt great during an extended test ride.  I've also tried a 54cm 
Hunqapillar that felt good and, to my surprise, a 58 Homer.  All of them 
felt good with what I would consider a road bike-like standover.  I ride a 
19" Soma Groove and, even though there is a decent amount of seatpost 
showing, the standover is not much more than the Sam and Hunq.  I assume 
this is due to the higher bottom bracket.  I also used to own a 2005 
Bianchi Veloce that was a virtual 59.  They called it that because it had a 
sloping top tube like the Sam.  It actually had better standover than the 
Groove.  If I was doing some crazy mountain riding, I might want a lower 
standover but, at this point in life, I'm digging the older style mountain 
bike fit.  The handlebars on the Groove are at least 2" above the saddle 
and the Sam I tried was about the same.  I'm contemplating the 52 Clem but 
I wasn't sure how the height would shift when going down to a 650b wheel. 
 I'll probably still go with the Sam when the finances allow.  I think it 
is a truly beautiful bike.  I understand why Brooks likes to use it in 
their trade shows and as one of their "Bikes of Distinction" 
http://www.brooksengland.com/curiosities-and-friends/bikes-of-distinction/touring-expedition/130219_100047_364/

John

On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 11:48:04 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>
> It was smooth and stable and comfortable and responsive, the way all Rivs 
> are. It's going to be a great bike. And tire clearance. Wow! Hunq-like. 
>
> -Jim W. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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[RBW] Re: Any Rivriders use the Queens-Brooklyn Greenway?

[Michael Morrissey]

I ride in that area all the time.  It is definitely worth the ride!  Vernon 
Blvd was repaved in the last few months and has a double semi-protected 
bike lane.  You can take it to the Polaski Bridge and over to connect to 
Kent Ave.  If you do ride it, I recommend checking out Socrates Sculpture 
Park.  Then, hang a left just north of that park, and ride through the 
projects.  It's a nice view of the lighthouse and UES.  It winds around to 
Astoria Park.  If you ride all the way north of Astoria Park, you can ride 
down 20th Ave, which also has a bike lane.  Check out the Steinway Mansion 
and Singlecut Microbrewery there!  Also, in the area Skillman Avenue 
through Sunnyside is lovely for bike riding.  Email me off the list if 
you'd like any other information or a guide!

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On Thursday, November 27, 2014 1:21:36 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
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> How's the riding? 
> Safe? 
> Looks like a great way to do an 80 miler by going from one end to the 
> other and back!

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[RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Jeffrey Marco]

Finally! an event in my State! Count me in!

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 6:05:21 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike 
> rally in Michigan.  Of course there are a lot of places many people would 
> like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached 
> international importance are right out my back door and I do it every year. 
>  Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs Campground 
> and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the route of the 
> Barry Roubaix gravel race and spend the 
> following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the weather) to Grand 
> Rapids for the Art Prize competition 
> .  
> I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to 
> tag along.  It would be the last weekend of September 2015.  
>
> Marc
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Re: [RBW] Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Palmer]

Sounds great Mark. I am in the Muskegon area and would gladly participate. I 
like the Barry Roubaix idea better. Artprize can get pretty crazy in car and on 
foot even. Grand rapids isn't the most bike friendly in my experience 10 years 
ago, may be much better now.
Tom Palmer 
Twin Lake, near Muskegon MI

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[RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Geoffrey]

That sounds pretty cool.  How long of  a ride is it?

On Thursday, December 4, 2014 5:05:21 AM UTC-6, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Along my travels the past few years a few people have asked about a bike 
> rally in Michigan.  Of course there are a lot of places many people would 
> like along the lakeshore, but I realized that two things which have reached 
> international importance are right out my back door and I do it every year. 
>  Every year around the end of Sept I ride up to Yankee Springs Campground 
> and spend the weekend where I ride through the forest along the route of the 
> Barry Roubaix gravel race and spend the 
> following day riding (or driving/riding, depending on the weather) to Grand 
> Rapids for the Art Prize competition 
> .  
> I thought I would throw that out there and invite anybody who wishes to 
> tag along.  It would be the last weekend of September 2015.  
>
> Marc
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Thanksgiving Cranksgiving Dirt Paradise Ride.

[Geoffrey]

Really cool write up and pics!

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:48:40 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Alba ' s in Homers very near future.
>
> ~Hugh
>Los Angeles, CA 
> On Dec 2, 2014 5:09 AM, "Pondero" > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hugh, currently, all my Rivs are albatross controlled.
>>
>> (and stay tuned for the Atlantis reveal)
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] FS: vintage french baggins-looking Sac La Fuma backpack / "porteur bag" / "shop sack"

[Antonioni Vicente]

1950's or 60's La Fuma hiking pack.  The Baggins resemblance is lovely.

This thing rides perfectly on a porteur rack or will sit right down, shop 
sack style, in the "huge" Wald basket on my Atlantis.  Messenger bag-like 
in the sense that it expands immensely, ideal for transporting large or 
awkward objects.  Yet, due to it's mostly canvas and leather construction, 
will fold up nice and small if it's capacity isn't being pushed.  Perfect 
for rides to the laundromat or grocery, and ideal for train or airplane 
travel.  I've used it as-is, lashed to a rear rack on tours as a daypack 
for off-bike excursions.  I had envisioned possibly making some 
modifications, removing the external frame (it's easy to remove and/or put 
back in place) and make a saddlebag out of the thing but didn't have the 
time (or heart).

I've included a few pictures of the bag in the Wald, and a few other 
pictures of the side and front pockets filled with water bottles in order 
to give an idea of it's size.  You'll also see a tape measure in at least 
one photo.  (No images attached because the of size issues)  I've only seen 
others like it on sale via Etsy pages hailing from France, (and all over 
$125 US) therefore I know not much more of this handsome bag.

$85 plus shipping.  Let me know if you have any other questions.  
Link to CL posting with all the photos: 
http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/spo/4789261024.html

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[RBW] Re: What components do you wish RBW would start "making"?

[Bill Lucas]

I am with Dan.  A 31.8 Deluxe Technomic stem would let me use the bars I 
like on more bikes.

Bill Lucas
Watsonville, CA

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[RBW] Re: Help Choosing Tires - Jack Brown vs. Compass Stampede Pass

[Geoffrey]

I have 2k on the pair of Stampede pass tires on my AHH with one flat, that 
was part of a hawthorne after a really heavy wind storm.  That's it. 
Funny enough, I've flatted three times over 500 miles on the JB's on my 
Bilenky.  I think it's just luck of the draw.

On Monday, December 1, 2014 10:13:56 PM UTC-6, SeanMac wrote:
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> Thanks for all of your responses.  Based on what I have read, I am leaning 
> toward giving the Stampede Pass tires a shot.  
>
> Neil - you addressed the one concern that I still have - that the Stampede 
> Pass will be more flat-prone than other tires.  I'm sorry that the Stampede 
> Pass have been so flat-prone for you.  My reading online has not really 
> found this to be a problem that many people mention with this tire.  Anyone 
> else have flatting issues with Jan's new tires - specifically the Stampede 
> Pass model?
>
> A number of years ago I purchased a pair of Grand Bois tires (don't 
> remember the specific model) for an old Trek 520 touring bike that I 
> owned.  I liked the way those tires made my bike feel when I rode it, but I 
> do recall that the tires seemed to flat a lot more than other tires that I 
> had used for similar riding.  Who knows, perhaps I just had some bad luck.  
> Anyway, I certainly do not mind fixing a flat tires.  However, its not 
> something that I would choose to do during a ride.
>
> I'd love to hear a few more data points on these tires.
>
> Sean
>
> On Monday, December 1, 2014 4:14:52 PM UTC-5, Neil wrote:
>>
>> Lots of folks here on Compass tires! I had a set of Compass 26 x 1.75s on 
>> my LHT, liked 'em, and shod the Sam in Barlow Pass tires.
>>  
>> Love love love the feel of these tire...nice and cushy, acceptable 
>> traction in the dirt, all around very nice...but not happy with puncture 
>> flats at a rate of one every 40 miles, and what I consider excessively 
>> quick wear on the rear tire. Jan talks up low pressure as the method for 
>> minimizing flats, and I know that environmental factors for punctures are 
>> very local in nature, but I ride in the Sierra foothills and Bay Area, run 
>> low pressures (around 50 psi), and get lots o' flats.
>>  
>> I don't track mileage closely, but I added the tires in May 2014, and the 
>> rear tire was reading as 'halfway worn' as of September 2014 (Jan 
>> stipulates that when the longitudinal grooves disappear, the tire is 
>> halfway worn). Again, not sure of my mileage, but will certainly be less 
>> than 3,000 miles on the rear tire. I've toured very lightly with them 
>> (maybe 8 days all told), maybe that was a factor.
>>  
>> Verdict is that I'll be going back to Panaracer Pasela Tourgards, or 
>> Marathon Supremes. I really liked Paselas for the price, and had very few 
>> flats on the Marathons.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC ride report

[Geoffrey]

My brother who rides all through the winter in Western Mass loves the 
Outdoor Research Mutant Mitts.  They're big but for really cold weather, 
they work well.  They're kinda like lobster mitts but it's your thumb, your 
fore finger (trigger finger with these gloves) and then the remaining 
three.  If your trigger finger gets cold you can tuck it in with the other 
three.  List is nearly 200 bucks but someone on ebay is selling surplus for 
much less.  I bought a pair in XXL but haven't used them for riding yet.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:56:50 AM UTC-6, Kainalu wrote:
>
> That looks great! And cozy! Especially with the orange and wood tones. I 
> think I'd most likely have to reorient my shifters. And what of my lovely 
> bell? Could set up a small contact mic with some computer speakers to 
> broadcast the dings, maybe swap my vp1's for a reverb and a wah wah! 
> But seriously, my best friend and head mechanic, who's in the high hills 
> of the Wasatch range, has been raving to me about bar mitts for years. I 
> think I could talk him into letting me try a pair out, though he does have 
> a rediculous number of bikes to mitt. 
> -Kai

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help Choosing Tires - Jack Brown vs. Compass Stampede Pass

[Thomas B]

The Compass tires are great, no question in my mind. I've been commuting on 
them since summer. However, when the wet weather came to the Bay Area I 
started getting flats riding through pretty awful streets of Richmond and 
put Pasela TG's back on. 

Unfortunately, my Compass experience got me itching for something a bit 
more lively than the TG's. The Soma New Xpres sound good - I was also 
considering Vittoria Voyager Hyper after trawling old posts. Anyone care to 
compare those apples?

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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC ride report

[Geoffrey]

Here is a link I forgot to include to the ebay 
items: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/130590203591?lpid=82

On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:56:50 AM UTC-6, Kainalu wrote:
>
> That looks great! And cozy! Especially with the orange and wood tones. I 
> think I'd most likely have to reorient my shifters. And what of my lovely 
> bell? Could set up a small contact mic with some computer speakers to 
> broadcast the dings, maybe swap my vp1's for a reverb and a wah wah! 
> But seriously, my best friend and head mechanic, who's in the high hills 
> of the Wasatch range, has been raving to me about bar mitts for years. I 
> think I could talk him into letting me try a pair out, though he does have 
> a rediculous number of bikes to mitt. 
> -Kai

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam 58CM Green Machine Phil Wood Hubs Brooks Nitto

[Hobo]

Back up to the top we go!

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:32:27 PM UTC-4, Hobo wrote:
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> Here is my second Quickbeam (58CM) up for sale
> I just finished the build yesterday. Both the headset and bottom bracket 
> have been overhauled. Taken apart, cleaned and regreased all the bearings.
> Brand new chain and cork grips.
> Wow does this thing ride nicely!
>
> Parts shown:
> Frame: Rivendell Quickbeam 58cm
> Wheels: Phil Wood High Flange anodized orange laced to Velocity rims w/ 
> White Industries 20t freewheel. 
> Tires: Schwalbe Big Apple 29x2 (10 miles)
> Bars: Nitto Albatross 
> Stem: Nitto
> Brakes: Tektro FL750
> Brakes: Shimano Deore XT (Ritchey pads)
> Crankset: Campagnolo C-Record w/ Salsa 42t ring
> Saddle: Brooks B17 Special Honey 
>
> Does not come with pedals or bell
>
> If the buyer wants, I can swap out the tires and put brand new Pasela 37s.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Schmidt e6 Primary 1st edition

[Geoffrey]

The on / off switch

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:48:24 AM UTC-6, Kendallspower wrote:
>
> What is the ear you speak of? 
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> I have a clear lens with a broken "ear" you can have for the cost of 
>> shipping. I still used it after the ear broke.
>>
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
>> On Monday, December 1, 2014 2:16:33 PM UTC-8, Kendallspower wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi! 
>>>
>>> I am putting together a Heron Wayfarer with some older parts. I am 
>>> looking the original e6 light that did not have the black ring round the 
>>> bulb/lens.
>>>
>>> The light changed at some point because the guys that like to lay down 
>>> and pedal complained about the light leaking and blinding them.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What components do you wish RBW would start "making"?

[GeorgeS]

Seersucker shirts!!  Please.  
George S.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:20:05 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Since they are not componenteurs, but they do have their own Silver line 
> and bag line, etc.
>
> I'll start:
>
> *Decaleurs.* I have recently been searching for decaleurs, and there seem 
> to be slim pickin's in the bike biz these days. 5 total I have found.
> 1 inexpensive and 1 mid point pricing models that all have mixed reviews, 
> and 3 very expensive ones with seemingly no reviews I have found.
>
> So it would be cool if RBW came out with their own decaleur to offer. The 
> bike industry needs another decaleur model.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Always tantalizing to look for frame specials

[Toby Whitfield]

I bought the Betty Foy for my wife. I had had a bit too much to drink and 
thought it would be a nice surprise. Lucky for me when I admitted my 
overenthusiasm the next day she came round to thinking it was a good idea. 
Lucky me, and I also think she'll appreciate it in the long run. She's never 
had a really good bike that suits her, so I think this will be good for her 
bicycle enthusiasm. 

I will be coming back to the list for build advice!  

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto B2522 AKA Jitensha flat bars & levers

[Antonioni Vicente]

Howdy Riv Crew

Anyone got a pair of these they're lookin' to sell?  Could also use a pair 
of classy-ish levers to go with 'em...

Thanks!

-ant

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[RBW] Re: Help Choosing Tires - Jack Brown vs. Compass Stampede Pass

[Geoffrey]

I have a 68cm AHH with Stampede Pass Lightweights, a specialized sequoia 
with Stampede passes and when the JB's on my Bilenky wear out, I'll be 
putting the stampede passes on them. 

On Monday, December 1, 2014 3:14:52 PM UTC-6, Neil wrote:
>
> Lots of folks here on Compass tires! I had a set of Compass 26 x 1.75s on 
> my LHT, liked 'em, and shod the Sam in Barlow Pass tires.
>  
> Love love love the feel of these tire...nice and cushy, acceptable 
> traction in the dirt, all around very nice...but not happy with puncture 
> flats at a rate of one every 40 miles, and what I consider excessively 
> quick wear on the rear tire. Jan talks up low pressure as the method for 
> minimizing flats, and I know that environmental factors for punctures are 
> very local in nature, but I ride in the Sierra foothills and Bay Area, run 
> low pressures (around 50 psi), and get lots o' flats.
>  
> I don't track mileage closely, but I added the tires in May 2014, and the 
> rear tire was reading as 'halfway worn' as of September 2014 (Jan 
> stipulates that when the longitudinal grooves disappear, the tire is 
> halfway worn). Again, not sure of my mileage, but will certainly be less 
> than 3,000 miles on the rear tire. I've toured very lightly with them 
> (maybe 8 days all told), maybe that was a factor.
>  
> Verdict is that I'll be going back to Panaracer Pasela Tourgards, or 
> Marathon Supremes. I really liked Paselas for the price, and had very few 
> flats on the Marathons.
>

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