[RBW] Re: I like!

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:31:36 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> "But otherwise...   What would I be missing between a Legolas and my 
> canti-Rom, aside from the name?"
>
> Functionally very little difference.  Maybe a couple mm in extra clearance 
> for the max tire size?  Maybe a couple mm of higher BB height (less BB 
> Drop).  Fancier looking lugs and for me the all-important seatstay caps on 
> a MUSA Legolas.  Paint choice on a made-to-order Legolas.  But from a 
> functional riding perspective a canti-Rom would be hot!  Set that baby up!
>

Oh, I already have, lovin' it:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/9637730629/  

I'm running a Clement X'plor MSO up-front (700x40), and I've got a Ritchey 
Speedmax Cross in the rear (700x35).   The back is where it's limited... 


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[RBW] Re: I like!

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:31:46 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 1:17:52 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> What would I be missing between a Legolas and my canti-Rom, aside from 
>> the name?
>>
>> ???
>>
> You should think of the Legolas as a canti-Roadeo. It's lighter than a Rom 
> and has racier geometry.
>

Well, true... but I guess I think of the Roadeo as the 'modern Ram'.  Not 
exactly the same, I know...   I guess, since the Legolas had come into 
existence when the Ram was the road-bike (pre-Roadeo days), that's why I 
think that way...

But you're right, especially since those are the only two available w/ 
either threaded or threadless headset/forks.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:20:23 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> So unscrew the bolts on a water bottle cage.  With your thumb push the 
> rear derailleur in so that the chain lines up with a sprocket that will 
> give you a couple of usable gears on your two chain rings, and put 
> tension on the derailleur cable to hold it in place.  Catch the cable 
> under the water bottle cage and screw the bolts back down to hold the 
> tension. 
>

Ok, I know we're supposed to let this thread die, but, dang, that's 
ingenious.  Brilliant.
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

[Ron Mc]

here's a nice example of the Schwinn New World (definitely an old world 
flavor), though the SA 3-speed is a retrofit  



http://bikeshedva.blogspot.com/

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 10:43:17 PM UTC-6, Nick Worthington wrote:
>
> I think the last string of stories might form part of the answer:  Maybe 
> there was no RBW equivalent in the 60's, simply because there was more of a 
> Just Ride sensibility, and less specialization of bike types.  (At least, 
> here in the west) (Best frame builder is, obviously, another question.)
>
> My early bike story is similar - My dad was a perennial grad student here 
> in Berkeley.  When me and my brother needed adult-sized bikes, he went to 
> the police auction and purchased two decent bikes, and then completely 
> rebuilt them.  That x-mas we each got a drop-bar three speed, w Brooks 
> saddles and new custom paint jobs.  I know now that my brothers was a 
> rebuilt Raleigh Sport, mine was an unknown lugged frame.  With 1 1/4 tires, 
> we rode those all over  the Berkeley hills - paved, dirt, mud - what ever. 
>
> Nick
>

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Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

[Ron Mc]

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:06:21 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> You mean like this?
>
> Sat Night and Sun Morning  
>

 btw Bill, I spent a month trying to identify the head badge on the classic 
lightweight Albert Finney was riding every day to the Raleigh factory. 
 Finally figured out it this Holdsworth badge  



>
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[RBW] 1983 Stumpjumper Price drop-$400 shipped to the lower 48

[Linkbeak]

Is the bike still available?  Thanks.

Joyce

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[RBW] Re: I like!

[jinxed]

I liked them too. Sad they were most likely removed because of the recent movie 
release. I'll bet they have minions scouring the web for references. 

The All Rounder gets VERY nervous when I look at pictures of the "L". 

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[RBW] Re: Charity Drive for the Museo del Ghisallo

[Jan Heine]

The charity drive to help reopen the Museo del Ghisallo is a success. So 
far, almost $ 1000 have been collected through sales of *Bicycle 
Quarterly's Calendar of Classic Bicycles*. Thank you to all who have 
contributed.

Since there was some confusion about the cut-off date, we've extended the 
deadline until noon today (12/19/2013). We are shooting for 1000 Euros ($ 
1300) in donations. If you haven't ordered a calendar yet, there still are 
a few hours to order one and help reopen this wonderful museum. You can 
order here:

http://www.bikequarterly.com/books_calendar_2014.html

The entire price of the calendar ($ 15) goes to the *Museo del Ghisallo*.

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
Seattle, WA
www.bikequarterly.com

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[RBW] Bridgestone motorcycle

[Chris in Redding, Ca.]

Hey All,
I was perusing the local CL yesterday and came upon this

http://redding.craigslist.org/mcy/4248714400.html


Who knew?

Chris
Redding, Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

[Bill Lindsay]

GREAT pull!  Holdsworth 

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:53:01 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:06:21 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> You mean like this?
>>
>> Sat Night and Sun Morning  
>>
>
>  btw Bill, I spent a month trying to identify the head badge on the 
> classic lightweight Albert Finney was riding every day to the Raleigh 
> factory.  Finally figured out it this Holdsworth badge  
>
>
> 
>
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Overnighter AKA S240 December 13 & 14th

[Coconutbill]

Woke up early to pack for the S240 ... It's tomorrow.. Doh

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[RBW] F/S Schwinn PARAMOUNT

[Charlie]

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 $1600  - OFFERS CONSIDERED

$800  FOR THE FRAME AND FORK

$800 FOR CRANK / BB  - HEADSET- SADDLE - SEATPOST- BRAKES - SHIFTERS - 
PEDALS - BARS + STEM 



 The Schwinn Paramount is a legendary icon in America. 

There is a parallel between the Schwinn Paramount and the Chevrolet 
Corvette. I think that is a very accurate analogy; both represented the 
epitome of exclusivity, of quality and of performance available from the 
American market. 
It was hand-built in Chicago, Illinois U.S.A.

For Sale Schwinn PARAMOUNT P15 -ROAD BIKE


1972 ALL CHROME FRAME - (this is the last year for all chrome)

size 22" TT 22" - 56cm

RARE CAMPAGNOLO TRIPLE CRANK is HARD TO FIND IN THIS CONDITION !

the TRIPLE CRANK GIVES A WIDE RANGE OF GEARING FOR HILLS FOR OLD TIRED LEGS 
AND FAST DOWN HILLS

READY TO RIDE ACROSS THE COUNTRY - WHAT THIS BIKE WAS MENT TO DO.

CINELLI stem + bars w/ red cloth tape

Brooks Professional saddle - NO SIGNS OF USE - the real deal

Campagnolo: headset - triple crank + BB -high flange hubs - front 
derailleur - down tube shifters - seatpost - pedals

CAMPAGNOLO (LIKE NEW) pedals not shown in pics removed for ease of storage.

Rear derailleur : Schwinn Approved Le Tour GT300 

Wheels/Rims : original Weinman POLISHED ALUMINUM - chrome spokes - 
Schwinn USA MADE tires


Brakes: Gran Compe GC160 sidepull - rear has Campy drop bolt.

CONDITION is EXCELLENT - VIRTUALLY UNUSED / UNBLEMISHED

NO signs of wear on bearings - chainrings - brake pads - rim brake track

 This bike was at the PHILLY BIKE EXPO SATURDAY Nov 9 

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST

Charlie Petry
  Jennersville PA 

CONTACT  email -  charliepedal(at)verizon(dot)net


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Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah yes, the police auction... I had all but forgotten about that... Great 
place to score bikes!!!  Also reminds me of the number of bikes stolen from 
me (and my family) over the years... bittersweet memories.

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:43:17 PM UTC-5, Nick Worthington wrote:
>
> I think the last string of stories might form part of the answer:  Maybe 
> there was no RBW equivalent in the 60's, simply because there was more of a 
> Just Ride sensibility, and less specialization of bike types.  (At least, 
> here in the west) (Best frame builder is, obviously, another question.)
>
> My early bike story is similar - My dad was a perennial grad student here 
> in Berkeley.  When me and my brother needed adult-sized bikes, he went to 
> the police auction and purchased two decent bikes, and then completely 
> rebuilt them.  That x-mas we each got a drop-bar three speed, w Brooks 
> saddles and new custom paint jobs.  I know now that my brothers was a 
> rebuilt Raleigh Sport, mine was an unknown lugged frame.  With 1 1/4 tires, 
> we rode those all over  the Berkeley hills - paved, dirt, mud - what ever. 
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Bridgestone motorcycle

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wondering whether that was all Bridgestone, or whether Honda had any hand 
in manufacturing for them??? 

 

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:17:24 PM UTC-5, Chris in Redding, Ca. 
wrote:
>
> Hey All,
> I was perusing the local CL yesterday and came upon this
>
> http://redding.craigslist.org/mcy/4248714400.html
>
>
> Who knew?
>
> Chris
> Redding, Ca.
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO Bosco bar.

[Patrick Shea]

Hugh:
I have a 55 in a still unopened box! Interested?

Patrick Shea

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, hsmitham wrote:

> Howdy Riv Folk,
>
> Looking for a Bosco bar 55 cm variety, so if ya got one gathering dust
> shoot me an email. I can't imagine one gathering dust as they're a great
> handle bar but hey you never know...I'd be cool with the 58 too but I'd
> prefer the 55cm. Merry Christmas to all.
>
> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Yeah, that post pretty much made the rest of this thread worth it.

;^)

be well, y'all!

- J

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:21:18 AM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:20:23 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>> So unscrew the bolts on a water bottle cage.  With your thumb push the 
>> rear derailleur in so that the chain lines up with a sprocket that will 
>> give you a couple of usable gears on your two chain rings, and put 
>> tension on the derailleur cable to hold it in place.  Catch the cable 
>> under the water bottle cage and screw the bolts back down to hold the 
>> tension. 
>>
>
> Ok, I know we're supposed to let this thread die, but, dang, that's 
> ingenious.  Brilliant.
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Overnighter AKA S240 December 13 & 14th

[Hugh Smitham]

Ha! I wish it was today in which case we'd have two full days of camping .

Hey Evan, the update is that Mike S. told me yesterday that he thought he
was coming down with a cold!! So the likelihood is that it'll just be the
two of us. You cool with that? I just want to get out for a couple of days
in nature.

 Both Friday and Saturday in Ojai look to be a high of 66F with a low of
40F and dry so not too bad, I'm going to REI today to pick up a USGS map of
the area and a larger stuff sack for the sleeping bag.You need anything?

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- A 
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> Woke up early to pack for the S240 ... It's tomorrow.. Doh
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[RBW] Burberry trench coat for sale: update

[Patrick Moore]

To resolve a confusion: the Burberry is *not* a 48; it's probably a 42 or
smaller, designed to wear with thick camel's hair lining over a dress
jacket.

To explain: when I bought it I wore, IIRX, a 38 long and, with thick button
in lining, it fit over such a jacket perfectly. Now at 10-15 lb heavier
(and less of it in the chest, alas) it fits, *with lining*, over a 42 R but
slightly more snugly than it should. *Without* lining it fits over the 42R
just right; and *with* lining it fits over me 2013 in shirt and light
sweater just right.

Me, then (31 or 32): ~160 or 165 wearing a 38 L with a 8-9 in drop to
waist. Me now: 175 wearing a 42 R and a [not telling] drop to waist.

I posted photos some time ago; let me know (offlist) if you want more.

The nice sweater is still available, too -- $40 + shipping.

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Re: [RBW] ISO Bosco bar.

[Coconutbill]

Hugh, hope this doesn't cramp your style,

I'm looking for a Bosco Bullmose bar , if someone is trying to sell one ...!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

[Ron Mc]

replied on the CABE, here is the long list of USA frame builders that goes 
back to prewar  http://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/USA.htm

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[RBW] Re: Bridgestone motorcycle

[Jim M.]

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:37:05 AM UTC-8, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Wondering whether that was all Bridgestone, or whether Honda had any hand 
> in manufacturing for them??? 
>

That's a 2-stroke motor. Honda only did 4-stroke back then. Except for the 
upswept pipe, it looks almost exactly like a Yamaha 90 from the era: 


And my apologies for going far OT but that was an era when I started 
motorcycling.

jim m
wc ca

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RE: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Everyone on that ride has adhered to the oath of secrecy, but I guess I'm free 
to describe my own stupidity, and the incredible good fortune that saved us at 
least 50 miles of extra riding on Day 1 of Riv Rally East 2012.

The stupidity part:

1.  Knowing my son Hank, who was riding a long ride for the first time, didn't 
have anything approaching an appropriate bike, I built up a SimpleOne frame for 
him the night before the ride began.

2.  As a result, we had no opportunity to test ride the bike.

3.  On the GAP trail, at least 20 miles from any bike shop, Hank said, "My left 
pedal seems wobbly."

4.  We stopped, I began to examine the pedal, and the left crank arm fell off 
in my hand...

5.  ...because the crank bolt, which I had in my haste the night before 
apparently failed to tighten, had fallen out -- not in situ, but somewhere back 
along the 20 miles we had just covered.

The "luck is not always the residue of design" part:

1.  At Hank's suggestion, we started walking back down the trail in the 
direction we'd come from (with me muttering that it was a stupid idea), and 
actually found the crank bolt lying on the ground about 1/2 mile up the trail.  
Eureka!   Except...

2.  ...my tools did not include the necessary Allen wrench required to 
reinstall the crank bolt.

3.  No problem!  Just as we arrived back at the wounded bike, a convoy of Boy 
Scouts on bikes pedaled by, with their leader at the rear.  Seeing our 
distress, he stopped, was told the problem, and volunteered that he had a "full 
toolkit", including a variety of crank-related wrenches.  He found the right 
one, we used it on our miraculously recovered crank bolt, and -- voilà -- we 
were on our way.

I still recall Steve P shaking his head that night at dinner at the dumb luck 
of some people.

But I now (a) tighten every bolt on my bike(s) before leaving on a long ride, 
and (b) always have a crank bolt wrench in my toolkit.

Live and learn.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Palincsar [mailto:palin...@his.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:53 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Cc: Allingham II, Thomas J (WIL)
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

On 12/18/2013 04:22 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Noted.  Thank goodness spokes, 1/4" ball bearings and crank extractors
> do grow on trees.  At least Mother Nature provides for us some of what
> we need.

ROTFL!

Apropos of Mother Nature providing, ask Thomas Allingham about crank bolts on 
the GAP.  I'm not sure the story's been told here, and so, it certainly bears 
repetition.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Peter Morgano]

"Always be prepared"


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

>  Everyone on that ride has adhered to the oath of secrecy, but I guess
> I'm free to describe my own stupidity, and the incredible good fortune that
> saved us at least 50 miles of extra riding on Day 1 of Riv Rally East 2012.
>
> The stupidity part:
>
> 1.  Knowing my son Hank, who was riding a long ride for the first time,
> didn't have anything approaching an appropriate bike, I built up a
> SimpleOne frame for him *the night before** the ride began.*
>
> 2.  As a result, we had no opportunity to test ride the bike.
>
> 3.  On the GAP trail, at least 20 miles from any bike shop, Hank said, "My
> left pedal seems wobbly."
>
> 4.  We stopped, I began to examine the pedal, and the left crank arm fell
> off in my hand…
>
> 5.  …because the crank bolt, which I had in my haste the night before
> apparently failed to tighten, had fallen out -- not *in situ*, but
> somewhere back along the 20 miles we had just covered.
>
> The "luck is not *always* the residue of design" part:
>
> 1.  At Hank's suggestion, we started walking back down the trail in the
> direction we'd come from (with me muttering that it was a stupid idea), and
> actually found the crank bolt lying on the ground about 1/2 mile up the
> trail.  Eureka!   Except…
>
> 2.  …my tools did not include the necessary Allen wrench required to
> reinstall the crank bolt.
>
> 3.  No problem!  Just as we arrived back at the wounded bike, a convoy of
> Boy Scouts on bikes pedaled by, with their leader at the rear.  Seeing our
> distress, he stopped, was told the problem, and volunteered that he had a
> "full toolkit", including a variety of crank-related wrenches.  He found
> the right one, we used it on our miraculously recovered crank bolt, and --
> voilà -- we were on our way.
>
> I still recall Steve P shaking his head that night at dinner at the dumb
> luck of some people.
>
> But I now (a) tighten every bolt on my bike(s) before leaving on a long
> ride, and (b) always have a crank bolt wrench in my toolkit.
>
> Live and learn.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Palincsar [mailto:palin...@his.com ]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:53 PM
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Allingham II, Thomas J (WIL)
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole
>
> On 12/18/2013 04:22 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> > Noted.  Thank goodness spokes, 1/4" ball bearings and crank extractors
> > do grow on trees.  At least Mother Nature provides for us some of what
> > we need.
>
> ROTFL!
>
> Apropos of Mother Nature providing, ask Thomas Allingham about crank bolts
> on the GAP.  I'm not sure the story's been told here, and so, it certainly
> bears repetition.
>
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[RBW] Be(eswax) Prepared -- Riv content

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I can never hear the Boy Scout motto without thinking of the great Tom Lehrer's 
song of the same name:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwjuz_-yao

Be prepared! That's the Boy Scout's marching song,
Be prepared! As through life you march along.
Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell.

Be prepared! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
Don't make book if you cannot cover bets.
Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure
That they will not be found
And be careful not to smoke them
When the scoutmaster's around
For he only will insist that it be shared.
Be prepared!

Be prepared! That's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed,
Be prepared! And be clean in word and deed.
Don't solicit for your sister, that's not nice,
Unless you get a good percentage of her price.

Be prepared! And be careful not to do
Your good deeds when there's no one watching you.
If you're looking for adventure of a
new and different kind,
And you come across a Girl Scout who is
similarly inclined,
Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared.
Be prepared!

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Morgano
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:02 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

"Always be prepared"

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J 
mailto:thomas.alling...@skadden.com>> wrote:
Everyone on that ride has adhered to the oath of secrecy, but I guess I'm free 
to describe my own stupidity, and the incredible good fortune that saved us at 
least 50 miles of extra riding on Day 1 of Riv Rally East 2012.

The stupidity part:

1.  Knowing my son Hank, who was riding a long ride for the first time, didn't 
have anything approaching an appropriate bike, I built up a SimpleOne frame for 
him the night before the ride began.

2.  As a result, we had no opportunity to test ride the bike.

3.  On the GAP trail, at least 20 miles from any bike shop, Hank said, "My left 
pedal seems wobbly."

4.  We stopped, I began to examine the pedal, and the left crank arm fell off 
in my hand...

5.  ...because the crank bolt, which I had in my haste the night before 
apparently failed to tighten, had fallen out -- not in situ, but somewhere back 
along the 20 miles we had just covered.

The "luck is not always the residue of design" part:

1.  At Hank's suggestion, we started walking back down the trail in the 
direction we'd come from (with me muttering that it was a stupid idea), and 
actually found the crank bolt lying on the ground about 1/2 mile up the trail.  
Eureka!   Except...

2.  ...my tools did not include the necessary Allen wrench required to 
reinstall the crank bolt.

3.  No problem!  Just as we arrived back at the wounded bike, a convoy of Boy 
Scouts on bikes pedaled by, with their leader at the rear.  Seeing our 
distress, he stopped, was told the problem, and volunteered that he had a "full 
toolkit", including a variety of crank-related wrenches.  He found the right 
one, we used it on our miraculously recovered crank bolt, and -- voilà -- we 
were on our way.

I still recall Steve P shaking his head that night at dinner at the dumb luck 
of some people.

But I now (a) tighten every bolt on my bike(s) before leaving on a long ride, 
and (b) always have a crank bolt wrench in my toolkit.

Live and learn.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Palincsar [mailto:palin...@his.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:53 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Cc: Allingham II, Thomas J (WIL)
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

On 12/18/2013 04:22 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Noted.  Thank goodness spokes, 1/4" ball bearings and crank extractors
> do grow on trees.  At least Mother Nature provides for us some of what
> we need.

ROTFL!

Apropos of Mother Nature providing, ask Thomas Allingham about crank bolts on 
the GAP.  I'm not sure the story's been told here, and so, it certainly bears 
repetition.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/19/2013 05:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
Everyone on that ride has adhered to the oath of secrecy, but I guess 
I'm free to describe my own stupidity, and the incredible good fortune 
that saved us at least 50 miles of extra riding on Day 1 of Riv Rally 
East 2012.

The stupidity part:
1.  Knowing my son Hank, who was riding a long ride for the first 
time, didn't have anything approaching an appropriate bike, I built up 
a SimpleOne frame for him */the night before/**/the ride began./*

2.  As a result, we had no opportunity to test ride the bike.
3.  On the GAP trail, at least 20 miles from any bike shop, Hank said, 
"My left pedal seems wobbly."
4.  We stopped, I began to examine the pedal, and the left crank arm 
fell off in my hand...
5.  ...because the crank bolt, which I had in my haste the night 
before apparently failed to tighten, had fallen out -- not /in situ/, 
but somewhere back along the 20 miles we had just covered.

The "luck is not */always/* the residue of design" part:
1.  At Hank's suggestion, we started walking back down the trail in 
the direction we'd come from (with me muttering that it was a stupid 
idea), and actually found the crank bolt lying on the ground about 1/2 
mile up the trail. Eureka!   Except...
2.  ...my tools did not include the necessary Allen wrench required to 
reinstall the crank bolt.
3.  No problem!  Just as we arrived back at the wounded bike, a convoy 
of Boy Scouts on bikes pedaled by, with their leader at the rear.  
Seeing our distress, he stopped, was told the problem, and volunteered 
that he had a "full toolkit", including a variety of crank-related 
wrenches.  He found the right one, we used it on our miraculously 
recovered crank bolt, and -- voilà -- we were on our way.
I still recall Steve P shaking his head that night at dinner at the 
dumb luck of some people.


A Guardian Angel was certainly on the job looking out for you that day.  
A thousand million of us could replicate that situation and I doubt a 
one of them would find both the bolt and someone with the right tools, 
as though to order.  I marveled with amazement then, and I still do.  
Talk about "nature providing!"



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[RBW] Re: Be(eswax) Prepared -- Riv content

[Shoji Takahashi]

I'll take luck over skill any day. (That's not to say that they aren't 
correlated.)
Turned a nice ride into a memorable one, with a great story to share.

--shoji

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:08:59 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
>  I can never hear the Boy Scout motto without thinking of the great Tom 
> Lehrer’s song of the same name:
>
>  
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwjuz_-yao 
>
>  
>
> Be prepared! That's the Boy Scout's marching song,
> Be prepared! As through life you march along.
> Be prepared to hold your liquor pretty well,
> Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell.
>
> Be prepared! To hide that pack of cigarettes,
> Don't make book if you cannot cover bets.
> Keep those reefers hidden where you're sure
> That they will not be found
> And be careful not to smoke them
> When the scoutmaster's around
> For he only will insist that it be shared.
> Be prepared!
>
> Be prepared! That's the Boy Scouts' solemn creed,
> Be prepared! And be clean in word and deed.
> Don't solicit for your sister, that's not nice,
> Unless you get a good percentage of her price.
>
> Be prepared! And be careful not to do
> Your good deeds when there's no one watching you.
> If you're looking for adventure of a
> new and different kind,
> And you come across a Girl Scout who is
> similarly inclined,
> Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared.
> Be prepared!
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Peter Morgano
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 19, 2013 5:02 PM
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole
>
>  
>  
> "Always be prepared"
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
> thomas.a...@skadden.com > wrote:
>  
> Everyone on that ride has adhered to the oath of secrecy, but I guess I'm 
> free to describe my own stupidity, and the incredible good fortune that 
> saved us at least 50 miles of extra riding on Day 1 of Riv Rally East 2012.
>  
>  
>  
> The stupidity part:
>  
>  
>  
> 1.  Knowing my son Hank, who was riding a long ride for the first time, 
> didn't have anything approaching an appropriate bike, I built up a 
> SimpleOne frame for him *the night before the ride began.*
>  
>  
>  
> 2.  As a result, we had no opportunity to test ride the bike.
>  
>  
>  
> 3.  On the GAP trail, at least 20 miles from any bike shop, Hank said, "My 
> left pedal seems wobbly."
>  
>  
>  
> 4.  We stopped, I began to examine the pedal, and the left crank arm fell 
> off in my hand…
>  
>  
>  
> 5.  …because the crank bolt, which I had in my haste the night before 
> apparently failed to tighten, had fallen out -- not *in situ*, but 
> somewhere back along the 20 miles we had just covered. 
>  
>  
>  
> The "luck is not *always* the residue of design" part: 
>  
>  
>  
> 1.  At Hank's suggestion, we started walking back down the trail in the 
> direction we'd come from (with me muttering that it was a stupid idea), and 
> actually found the crank bolt lying on the ground about 1/2 mile up the 
> trail.  Eureka!   Except…
>  
>  
>  
> 2.  …my tools did not include the necessary Allen wrench required to 
> reinstall the crank bolt.   
>  
>  
>  
> 3.  No problem!  Just as we arrived back at the wounded bike, a convoy of 
> Boy Scouts on bikes pedaled by, with their leader at the rear.  Seeing our 
> distress, he stopped, was told the problem, and volunteered that he had a 
> "full toolkit", including a variety of crank-related wrenches.  He found 
> the right one, we used it on our miraculously recovered crank bolt, and -- 
> voilà -- we were on our way.
>  
>  
>  
> I still recall Steve P shaking his head that night at dinner at the dumb 
> luck of some people.
>  
>  
>  
> But I now (a) tighten every bolt on my bike(s) before leaving on a long 
> ride, and (b) always have a crank bolt wrench in my toolkit.
>  
>  
>  
> Live and learn.
>   
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Palincsar [mailto:...@his.com ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:53 PM
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> Cc: Allingham II, Thomas J (WIL)
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole
>  
>  
>  
> On 12/18/2013 04:22 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>  
> > Noted.  Thank goodness spokes, 1/4" ball bearings and crank extractors 
>  
> > do grow on trees.  At least Mother Nature provides for us some of what 
>  
> > we need.
>  
>  
>  
> ROTFL!
>  
>  
>  
> Apropos of Mother Nature providing, ask Thomas Allingham about crank bolts 
> on the GAP.  I'm not sure the story's been told here, and so, it certainly 
> bears repetition.
>  
>  
>  
> --
>  
> 
>
> To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you 
> that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice 
> contained in thi

[RBW] Re: SoCal Overnighter AKA S240 December 13 & 14th

[Mike Schiller]

wish I could go but came down with a minor cold yesterday. With nighttime 
temps in the mid to high 30's at the campsite I decided to stay home and 
recover.
It's  been raining down here all day... gunna be muddy a bit up there too.

~mike


>

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[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

[Cecily Walker]

Thank you, Tom. Over the last 10 years my medical team and I have tried 
everything. I lost -- and regained -- weight so many times, I've decided 
it's one battle I'm not going fight. Besides: fat ladies don't get 
wrinkles. ;-) 

You're exactly right that life happens. That's generally the attitude I try 
to take these days. Everyone has a burden: osteoarthritis and rheumatoid 
arthritis just happen to be mine, and surgery's the remedy. It won't be 
easy or fun, but once I've healed I'll be a brand new me. That thought 
keeps me going. 

Cheers,
Cecily

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 9:53:53 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Dearest Cecily,
>
> I am adding you to my prayers for recovery, restoration, revitalization, 
> and resumption of you use of Betty Foy.  Stop the self punishment and 
> recrimination right now.   
>
> I am no expert on medical, diet or any other therapy for this, but there 
> are some good comments in here.
>
> I am a math/engineering type of person who has somehow found himself in 
> charge of a rather large group of people.  Many of them have increased 
> their responsibility and investment of time to do their jobs.  And, as in 
> your case, life happens.  They go into the recrimination mode because they 
> are not "running ten miles a day" or "working out".  It becomes a trap.
>
> We recommend setting minimums.  Rather than just let her set idle, what is 
> the minimum you could do with Betty Foy and not blame yourself for doing 
> nothing?  The "blame yourself" is the problem thing.  In one case, a former 
> runner at my work agreed to at least set her running shoes at the door 
> every morning.   That's a minimum.  After a few mornings of that, she put 
> them on and went for a walk.  Walking led to running again.  Running a 
> small amount has been growing slowly back to her previous level of 
> performance while still meeting her work responsibilities.  It takes time. 
>  What could you do with Betty Foy?  Go and look at her in her station in 
> your home.  Work on her (install the rack).  Ride 1 block and get the mail. 
>  Grab her handlebars and walk her to a nearby destination.  Use he basket 
> to portage some purchase home.  You don't have to do it all at once.  Step 
> by step, dear.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:46:45 PM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> My osteoarthritis has become so bad in the last few weeks that it's 
>> nearly impossible to ride my Betty Foy. Even after a professional bike 
>> fitting, I simply don't have enough flexibility in the knee to make 
>> pedaling possible. Part of me feels like it's punishment for buying such an 
>> expensive bike in the first place, but the thing that hurts the most is 
>> I'll have to take *public transit* to work until things improve/until 
>> surgery, whichever comes first. 
>>
>> But at least I'll finally have time to put the Nitto front rack on the 
>> bike. 
>>
>> *heavy sigh*
>> Cecily
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Cecily Walker]

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:08:08 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:56:36 AM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> What about female retrogrouches? Do we just let our leg hair grow out? :-D
>>
>
> Already done! And I'm puttin' corn rows down my shins!  :)
>

I have some beads you can borrow, if you want to go for that Venus Williams 
in the early years look. :-D 

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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Overnighter AKA S240 December 13 & 14th

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

Hope you feel better soon! Evan and I are going for it...I'll deal with the
mud at least it won't be raining. Anyway making a few changes to the ride...

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- A 
lbert Einstein



On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> wish I could go but came down with a minor cold yesterday. With nighttime
> temps in the mid to high 30's at the campsite I decided to stay home and
> recover.
> It's  been raining down here all day... gunna be muddy a bit up there too.
>
> ~mike
>
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[RBW] WTB-Bleroit 51/53cm

[murphyjrfk]

Suppose the title says it all. I suppose it's a shot in the dark, but hey worth 
a shot. Condition doesn't matter as long as the headbadge is good. Man I love 
that headbadge!

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[RBW] Re: SoCal Overnighter AKA S240 December 13 & 14th

[Coconutbill]

>
> Feel better,  BigSchill ! 
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[RBW] 650B Question

[Eric Norris]

My first 650B bike is on the way, and I'm getting everything ready for its 
arrival (saddle, bar tape, bags, etc,). The only stumbling block so far has 
been innertubes. Even the best-stocked bike shop in town (we have seven here in 
Davis) doesn't carry tubes specifically for 650B. 

So ... If 650B tubes aren't available, what flavor of 26" or 700 should I get? 
Is there a brand/size that works better? I'll be riding tires somewhere around 
38 in width. 

Thanks in advance!

–Eric N
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Re: [RBW] 650B Question

[Peter Morgano]

Stock up on a supply from rivbike.com while the free shipping is still
going?
On Dec 19, 2013 9:28 PM, "Eric Norris"  wrote:

> My first 650B bike is on the way, and I'm getting everything ready for its
> arrival (saddle, bar tape, bags, etc,). The only stumbling block so far has
> been innertubes. Even the best-stocked bike shop in town (we have seven
> here in Davis) doesn't carry tubes specifically for 650B.
>
> So ... If 650B tubes aren't available, what flavor of 26" or 700 should I
> get? Is there a brand/size that works better? I'll be riding tires
> somewhere around 38 in width.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> –Eric N
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
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Re: [RBW] 650B Question

[Bill Lindsay]

Or stock up on ultralight ones from Compass.

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Re: [RBW] 650B Question

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/19/2013 09:28 PM, Eric Norris wrote:

My first 650B bike is on the way, and I'm getting everything ready for its 
arrival (saddle, bar tape, bags, etc,). The only stumbling block so far has 
been innertubes. Even the best-stocked bike shop in town (we have seven here in 
Davis) doesn't carry tubes specifically for 650B.

So ... If 650B tubes aren't available, what flavor of 26" or 700 should I get? 
Is there a brand/size that works better? I'll be riding tires somewhere around 38 in 
width.


Depending on the brand, either 559 x 1.25/1.5 or 559 x 1.5/1.75.  My LBS 
sells Specialized tubes, and with them it's 1.25-1.5.  With the Maxxis 
Ultralight, which I like a lot, it's the IB59764000 1.5/1.75.  If they 
carry them, one of the best is the Schwalbe SV-12.  This fits a boatload 
of sizes, among them 650Bx30-42.  You can get those from Compass or 
Rivendell by mail order.


You want to watch out for getting a tube that's too wide; that makes 
tire installation very hard, as it's quite difficult to not catch the 
edge of the tube under the tire bead.



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[RBW] Re: 650B Question

[jinxed]

Yea...pretty rare to find a shop that stocks them for sure.

I've run both 700 and 26 tubes successfully albeit finicky on install. The 
26" is the way to go in my opinion. I find it easier to stretch than stuff. 
If you can find 26x1.25-1.5 they are fairly agreeable. Bigger than that and 
theres too much tube.

One day, I'll order a proper dozen and be set.

POST PIC of the build!

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[RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Don Compton]

By the way, what are you getting?
Don

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:28:21 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My first 650B bike is on the way, and I'm getting everything ready for its 
> arrival (saddle, bar tape, bags, etc,). The only stumbling block so far has 
> been innertubes. Even the best-stocked bike shop in town (we have seven 
> here in Davis) doesn't carry tubes specifically for 650B. 
>
> So ... If 650B tubes aren't available, what flavor of 26" or 700 should I 
> get? Is there a brand/size that works better? I'll be riding tires 
> somewhere around 38 in width. 
>
> Thanks in advance! 
>
> –Eric N 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Eric Norris]

Chris Murray's Bleriot is on the way to me from North Dakota. Currently 
somewhere in Minnesota, according to FedEx. I'll be sure to post photos.

My plan is to ride the Bleriot for the 2014 brevet season, culminating with a 
1000K in August. 

–Eric N
Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
> 
> By the way, what are you getting?
> Don
> 
>> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:28:21 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>> My first 650B bike is on the way, and I'm getting everything ready for its 
>> arrival (saddle, bar tape, bags, etc,). The only stumbling block so far has 
>> been innertubes. Even the best-stocked bike shop in town (we have seven here 
>> in Davis) doesn't carry tubes specifically for 650B. 
>> 
>> So ... If 650B tubes aren't available, what flavor of 26" or 700 should I 
>> get? Is there a brand/size that works better? I'll be riding tires somewhere 
>> around 38 in width. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance! 
>> 
>> –Eric N 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Andy.M]

Presta or schrader?  If a schrader will work then every bike shop in the 
world will be carrying 26 x 1 3/8 tubes that will work just fine.  
-Andy

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:09:24 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Chris Murray's Bleriot is on the way to me from North Dakota. Currently 
> somewhere in Minnesota, according to FedEx. I'll be sure to post photos.
>
> My plan is to ride the Bleriot for the 2014 brevet season, culminating 
> with a 1000K in August. 
>
> –Eric N
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
> On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Don Compton > 
> wrote:
>
> By the way, what are you getting?
> Don
>
> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:28:21 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> My first 650B bike is on the way, and I'm getting everything ready for 
>> its arrival (saddle, bar tape, bags, etc,). The only stumbling block so far 
>> has been innertubes. Even the best-stocked bike shop in town (we have seven 
>> here in Davis) doesn't carry tubes specifically for 650B. 
>>
>> So ... If 650B tubes aren't available, what flavor of 26" or 700 should I 
>> get? Is there a brand/size that works better? I'll be riding tires 
>> somewhere around 38 in width. 
>>
>> Thanks in advance! 
>>
>> –Eric N 
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S
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[RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Michael]

>
> Welcome to the wonderland of 650b wheels/tires! My first 650b was a 
> Bleriot, too!


I'll save you a lot of time and boil it down for you. I,too, live in a 
650b-free LBS zone and have had to forage for tubes.

1. Just get the tubes from rivbike.com or compasscycle.com. It is worth it 
to just get them. Throw one into each order you make in the future to keep 
them in stock.

*To save you time in the inevitable search for better tires:*
*This is the state of 650b tires as of 12/20/2013 (as far as I have 
researched):*
1. Regarded as the fastest and comfortablest 650b tires:
Grand Bois Hetres and Grand Bois Cypress. Sold at compasscycle.com.
Pari-Motos may be a close second, but I hear they have a bad flatting 
record? The Hutchinson 32mm tires at compasscycle.com may be just as fast, 
too? Others can chime in.
2. For the most puncture protected 650b tires that are probably still going 
to fit on a Bleriot: Schwalbe Marathon HS420, sold at rivbike.com. It is 
pure overkill, but a delight to ride and not have to worry much after you 
plow through fields of glass on your rides. I ahev them under Longboard 
fenders on my Sam Hillborne. I would guess that they would fot on a 
Bleriot, but haven't tried.
The Hetres and Marathons both measure 40.5 on my 650b rims at 55psi, last I 
checked.
So, widthwise, they should work on a Bleriot. But the Marathon may have a 
taller profile because of its massive tread.

Hetres fit great on my Bleriot under SKS P45 fenders. I have Tektro R559 
brakes and also works with Paul Centerpull brakes.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Michael]

> I would be interested in a Rivendell single speed for winter riding 
> because there is a ton of roadsalt around here in MD these days that is 
> keeping me off my Sam because I am afraid of tearing up my components by 
> getting salt all over them.
>

I think that it would be less expensive, every year or two,  to replace 
just one salt-trashed chainring, rear cog, and chain after a salty winter 
than two derailers, cassette, three chainrings, and 2 cables.

I don't know how the wheels would fare, though...

 

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[RBW] Re: WTB-Bleroit 51/53cm

[Michael]

>
> This is the place to come.

Hope you can find one soon.

Here's a little sum'n-sump'n for 'ya while you wait.
Mine is a 55
http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/8049457947/in/set-72157631680596119
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Eric Norris]

OK, I'm convinced. Stack o' tubes has been ordered from Rivendell. I'll start 
experimenting with tires when I wear out the Nifty Swiftys that are on the bike.

I've been using Panaracer Paselas on most of my bikes for years now, with 
consistently great results. Any thoughts about the Col de la Vie?


On Dec 19, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Michael  wrote:

> Welcome to the wonderland of 650b wheels/tires! My first 650b was a Bleriot, 
> too!
> 
> I'll save you a lot of time and boil it down for you. I,too, live in a 
> 650b-free LBS zone and have had to forage for tubes.
> 
> 1. Just get the tubes from rivbike.com or compasscycle.com. It is worth it to 
> just get them. Throw one into each order you make in the future to keep them 
> in stock.
> 
> To save you time in the inevitable search for better tires:
> This is the state of 650b tires as of 12/20/2013 (as far as I have 
> researched):
> 1. Regarded as the fastest and comfortablest 650b tires:
> Grand Bois Hetres and Grand Bois Cypress. Sold at compasscycle.com.
> Pari-Motos may be a close second, but I hear they have a bad flatting record? 
> The Hutchinson 32mm tires at compasscycle.com may be just as fast, too? 
> Others can chime in.
> 2. For the most puncture protected 650b tires that are probably still going 
> to fit on a Bleriot: Schwalbe Marathon HS420, sold at rivbike.com. It is pure 
> overkill, but a delight to ride and not have to worry much after you plow 
> through fields of glass on your rides. I ahev them under Longboard fenders on 
> my Sam Hillborne. I would guess that they would fot on a Bleriot, but haven't 
> tried.
> The Hetres and Marathons both measure 40.5 on my 650b rims at 55psi, last I 
> checked.
> So, widthwise, they should work on a Bleriot. But the Marathon may have a 
> taller profile because of its massive tread.
> 
> Hetres fit great on my Bleriot under SKS P45 fenders. I have Tektro R559 
> brakes and also works with Paul Centerpull brakes.
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[RBW] Re: WTB-Bleroit 51/53cm

[Michael]

What's your PBH?

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[RBW] Re: WTB-Bleroit 51/53cm

[Michael]

> Search all of craigslist at one time for that Bleriot here:

 http://www.my-craigs-finder.com/

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[RBW] Re: WTB-Bleroit 51/53cm

[Michael]

> Here's one in Boise Idaho in your size:

 http://boise.craigslist.org/bik/4249822188.html

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[RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Michael]

>
> *I think* the Col de La Vie was rated as one of the slower tires, as was 
> the Nifty Swifty, in Jan Heine's speed tires test. You can contact him at 
> compasscycles.com for the details.


If I remember correctly, he wrote to me that the Swifty was some certain 
percentage slower than the other tires tested, which theoretically results 
in being hours slower of a finish time on long event rides over hundreds of 
miles like you are planning on the brevets than if you were on a Hetre or 
Cypres, which tested to be the fastest of the 650b tires, if I remember 
correctly.

Of course, you can read his methodology for yourself and see what you think 
of his tests. He can give you the link to the results and methodology pages.


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[RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Michael]

>
> *I think* the Col de La Vie was rated as one of the slower tires, as was 
>> the Nifty Swifty, in Jan Heine's speed tires test. You can contact him at 
>> compasscycles.com for the details.
>
>
> If I remember correctly, he wrote to me that the Swifty was some certain 
> percentage slower than the other tires tested, which theoretically results 
> in being hours slower of a finish time on long event rides over hundreds of 
> miles like you are planning on the brevets than if you were on a Hetre or 
> Cypres, which tested to be the fastest of the 650b tires, if I remember 
> correctly.
>
> Of course, you can read his methodology for yourself and see what you 
> think of his tests. He can give you the link to the results and methodology 
> pages.
>

BTW, rivbike.com sells the Soma Xpress, which is a 38mm wide Pasela-like, 
puncture resistant-treaded tire. Don't know how fast it is though.

*I am an un-racer, so "fast" isn't the word I prefer to use when referring 
to tires. I like the term "easier to turn".*
*I don't race bikes, but I am just not into making pedaling a bike any 
harder than it has to be for me.*
That said, I love the puncture protection and ride of my Marathons on my 
Sam.
But I can see that a tire like Hetres would be easier to turn. I will have 
to put some on the Sam one day and compare how they feel and how the 
cyclometer reports my commute times are on my commutes.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Eric Norris]

I don't know where Paselas would rate in those tests ... I suspect toward the 
"slow" end of the spectrum. However, that's never kept me from finishing a 
brevet or a randonee within the time limit. And I just hate the idea of 
spending $64 on a bicycle tire, regardless of how nice it is.

--Eric


On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I think the Col de La Vie was rated as one of the slower tires, as was the 
> Nifty Swifty, in Jan Heine's speed tires test. You can contact him at 
> compasscycles.com for the details.
> 
> If I remember correctly, he wrote to me that the Swifty was some certain 
> percentage slower than the other tires tested, which theoretically results in 
> being hours slower of a finish time on long event rides over hundreds of 
> miles like you are planning on the brevets than if you were on a Hetre or 
> Cypres, which tested to be the fastest of the 650b tires, if I remember 
> correctly.
> 
> Of course, you can read his methodology for yourself and see what you think 
> of his tests. He can give you the link to the results and methodology pages.
> 
> BTW, rivbike.com sells the Soma Xpress, which is a 38mm wide Pasela-like, 
> puncture resistant-treaded tire. Don't know how fast it is though.
> 
> I am an un-racer, so "fast" isn't the word I prefer to use when referring to 
> tires. I like the term "easier to turn".
> I don't race bikes, but I am just not into making pedaling a bike any harder 
> than it has to be for me.
> That said, I love the puncture protection and ride of my Marathons on my Sam.
> But I can see that a tire like Hetres would be easier to turn. I will have to 
> put some on the Sam one day and compare how they feel and how the cyclometer 
> reports my commute times are on my commutes.
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[RBW] Re: 650B Question

[Michael]

>
> Yes, they are outrageously and almost shockingly expensive! Especially the 
> extra leger versions!

But, in the world of 650b, you will eventually re-set your tire value-meter 
in your head.

You get to enjoy the luxury of the cushy ride.
The fenderability of a 650b frame.
The mind blowing safety and stability of a 40mm, 55psi tire on broken up 
road shoulders (at least for me, coming from a 700c x 25mm 120 psi tire-ed 
bike).

Just be glad you didn't go 650b *before* 2013, when pickins were even 
*slimmer* for 650b tires.

And remember, *650c *won't work. Different rim bead seat diameter size 
there.

I'll have to put Hetres on the Sam to see if I can feel a diff and can see 
a diff (on the cyclometer). 

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