Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Christopher Chen]

In the west it's all gravel, and sometimes Magnesium Chloride.


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Michael  wrote:

> ...and the thought of what road salt might do to me gumwalls just shivers
> me skewers...
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Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Good point, though if the trails had salt then the need for tires would be 
less.  But I think Michael's point is another one for a non-riv dedicated 
winter tires bike.

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Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[WETH]

Tony,
The black ice sent me into my car today.  Usually we get so little snow/ice 
and/or it doesn't stay long, that I have never seen the need for a 
dedicated winter tire bike. But it seems like this whole week will be lost 
to snow/ice, so I awoke with the same question as you.  I have never ridden 
studded tires nor do I have any experience riding nobby off road tires in 
the snow/ice.  For the black ice studded tires might be the only solution.
Be safe however you travel today,
Erl 

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:06:02 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Good point, though if the trails had salt then the need for tires would be 
> less.  But I think Michael's point is another one for a non-riv dedicated 
> winter tires bike.
>
> Tony
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Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Addison Wilhite]

I will say that this past week or so riding my MB-1 with snow studded tires
and fenders has been a game changer for me as far as commuting.  I'm no
land speed record holder in them but I'm shocked and thrilled at how well
they've handled the ice and snow.  Even the crappy crusty ice snow melt
stuff on the side of the road and in the bike lane.   I just don't slip.

Regards,


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On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:24 AM, WETH  wrote:

> Tony,
> The black ice sent me into my car today.  Usually we get so little
> snow/ice and/or it doesn't stay long, that I have never seen the need for a
> dedicated winter tire bike. But it seems like this whole week will be lost
> to snow/ice, so I awoke with the same question as you.  I have never ridden
> studded tires nor do I have any experience riding nobby off road tires in
> the snow/ice.  For the black ice studded tires might be the only solution.
> Be safe however you travel today,
> Erl
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:06:02 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Good point, though if the trails had salt then the need for tires would
>> be less.  But I think Michael's point is another one for a non-riv
>> dedicated winter tires bike.
>>
>> Tony
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Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Addison Wilhite]

Here's a few pics:

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-best-laid-plans.html



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On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:20 AM, Addison Wilhite
wrote:

> I will say that this past week or so riding my MB-1 with snow studded
> tires and fenders has been a game changer for me as far as commuting.  I'm
> no land speed record holder in them but I'm shocked and thrilled at how
> well they've handled the ice and snow.  Even the crappy crusty ice snow
> melt stuff on the side of the road and in the bike lane.   I just don't
> slip.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A.
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and 
> Technology
>
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler 
>
> Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian
> Advisory Committee
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:24 AM, WETH  wrote:
>
>> Tony,
>> The black ice sent me into my car today.  Usually we get so little
>> snow/ice and/or it doesn't stay long, that I have never seen the need for a
>> dedicated winter tire bike. But it seems like this whole week will be lost
>> to snow/ice, so I awoke with the same question as you.  I have never ridden
>> studded tires nor do I have any experience riding nobby off road tires in
>> the snow/ice.  For the black ice studded tires might be the only solution.
>> Be safe however you travel today,
>> Erl
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 7:06:02 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> Good point, though if the trails had salt then the need for tires would
>>> be less.  But I think Michael's point is another one for a non-riv
>>> dedicated winter tires bike.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Marc Irwin]

I might not be the best to answer this since we get 8' of snow each year in 
west Michigan, but I use 45mm studs on my Hunq and 38mm studs on my Soma 
Mixte each year.  I use the mixte when the streets are reasonably clear and 
the Hunq when there is deep snow and rutted ice to deal with.  In your case 
I would lean to the one with the biggest, heaviest footprint.

Marc

On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:44:43 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> As I get ready for bed tonight realizing I probably don't have a safe set 
> of this to ride in tomorrow's icy conditions in DC I'm shopping for winter 
> tires...
>
> I'm curious about those who live in an area that does not have consistent 
> snow or ice conditions but gets it enough to want the capability to ride in 
> them.  Do you set up a'snow bike' dedicated to the winter tires, put the 
> tires on your primary commuter and leave them all season, swap them out as 
> each storm or threat of storm comes through...?  Some other solution...
>
> My personal decision is whether to get 700c tires to outfit the Atlantis, 
> or to go 26" for either the MB-5 or XO-3.  In leaning towards the XO-3 and 
> making it the dedicated snow and ice bike through the winter.
>
> As always I'm curious what the group thinks...
>
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Erl,

I figured I wasn't the only one in the DC area with the same thoughts... I
only started commuting last March so I haven't done a full winter yet.  But
I HATE being kept off the bike on a day like today, it took me 50 minutes
to drive to work when it takes me 35-40 minutes to bike.  Not to mention
feeling like I've missed out all day!

Addison,

Your MB-1 looks great in the snow, I think my XO-3 could fill that same
role or possibly the MB-5 (it's a bit small for me).  I'm probably ordering
tires tonight :)

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Seriously deranged, no limits road bike riding

[Montclair BobbyB]

...guy has broken his back doing these stunts...

So has Danny Mac... I guess that seems to be a trend in this biz.  BTW if 
you haven't already, you should watch some of Danny Mac's YouTube vids, 
where he's pulling stunts on his normal bike... this stuff is not of this 
earth... 




On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:59:59 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
>
> Liesl,
>
> I know you are good at this.  Don't need youtube for you.  I believe you. 
>  Elephants.  Next time think elephants.  Oh, wait.  There's that proof that 
> it happened thing in here.
>
> BB
>
> "imagine what Ernesto Colnago would think"
>
> I cannot.
>
> Seriously, as per pb, guy has broken his back doing these stunts.  Not 
> worth it IMO.
>
> I am just amazed that any of this can be done on a road bike.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:33:30 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure what happened—the part with me jumping across five snowman 
>> heads with War Horseapaloosa must've gotten edited out.  What gives? Was it 
>> my outfit?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Bertin753]

If we are going to be collectivists, I want your Atlantis.

Patrick Moore
iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Alex Zeibot  wrote:
> 
> Ron,
> I agree with you….  It is the Mandela's philosophy; collectivism tends to 
> prevail by standing up for a common goal.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>> there is just enough divisiveness being marketed in the images we're sold, 
>> it would be better to raise the commonalities rather than the differences
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:07:26 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>>> I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek.  Spending as much time reading 
>>> forums as I do, that are all way less civil than this one, I've probably 
>>> forgotten how to be offended - though I can see how many would take it that 
>>> way.  It's DEFINITELY generational, however - which, though I didn't say 
>>> it, is what I thought was so interesting about it.  
>>> 
>>> I've always felt that Surly could never have even existed had it not been 
>>> for Rivendell.   When they launched, the concept of a company focusing on 
>>> building skinny-tubed, steel bikes with 1" headsets,  provisions for racks, 
>>> and room for fat tires and fenders was pretty "out there" to most 
>>> mainstream consumers.   Yet, for all this, they've thrived.And, partly, 
>>> on the tails of bikes like the Long Haul Trucker which was a direct copy of 
>>> the All Rounder.   Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it makes 
>>> it more ironic that they produced this patch so shortly after Riv quoined 
>>> and started marketing the whole "Un-Racer" thing.
>>> 
>>> What I find interesting though, is how two companies can be so eerlily 
>>> similar - building no-nonsense bikes that work, are repairable, aren't 
>>> going to go out of style, and don't require the newest ever-changing 
>>> components - yet have such different marketplace personas.  Even though 
>>> BOTH companies are actually developing thought-provoking and useful 
>>> products (together, arguably changing the face of modern bike design more 
>>> than all other companies combined), ONE of those companies is often 
>>> considered "retro-grouchy" while the other is considered "hip."
>>> 
>>> Clearly it pays to be "offensive" on some level, depending on who your 
>>> market is.  I just like anything that reminds people not to take themselves 
>>> too seriously. ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Marc Irwin]

I use these hunter's 
mittensI found 
at Gander Mountain.


They are really warm and help with the visibility during snow storms.
Marc

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 2:58:41 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
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> Looking for gloves and thought I would see what you all use.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Scott G.]

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:32:39 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> If we are going to be collectivists, I want your Atlantis.
>
> Patrick Moore
>

The International Wheelman of the World ?

Wobblie Bicyclists, it does make a certain sense.


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[RBW] Re: Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Tony,
I've been winter bike commuting for a few years now in the Boston area. I 
use Nokian A10(?) studded tires (700X32) on my crosscheck. I meant to set 
it up as a single speed for the winter season, but was caught this past 
week without having done the conversion. Instead, I swapped tires from JB 
Greens to the studded ones when I realized the rain mix was going to change 
to snow/ice. 

My biggest concern for winter commuting is ice. The roads for my ride are 
plowed, and even in heavy snow fall, the snow's not too deep to ride (maybe 
a few inches). I've found the Nokians to cut through the snow and slush to 
the road, and that works for my commute. I don't think a fat bike's 
flotation would offer an advantage.

I prefer a dedicated snow/ice bike, as the salt+dirt really wears on the 
drive train. I'm also not very good at wiping it down after a ride, as, 
well... it's cold and I'm lazy. 

When the snow clears, there's usually stretches of days or even weeks when 
the roads are free of salt, and I can then take out the nice bike (w/o 
being as concerned of corrosion). 

If I had your stable of bikes, I would outfit the MB-5 or XO-3 with 
Schwalbe Marathon winters. (Maybe set up as a single speed or fixed, if 
possible.)

Another option is getting a separate wheelset to swap out the wheels from 
studded to regular tires (which I'm considering for my own bike).

Ride safely, 
shoji


On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:44:43 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> As I get ready for bed tonight realizing I probably don't have a safe set 
> of this to ride in tomorrow's icy conditions in DC I'm shopping for winter 
> tires...
>
> I'm curious about those who live in an area that does not have consistent 
> snow or ice conditions but gets it enough to want the capability to ride in 
> them.  Do you set up a'snow bike' dedicated to the winter tires, put the 
> tires on your primary commuter and leave them all season, swap them out as 
> each storm or threat of storm comes through...?  Some other solution...
>
> My personal decision is whether to get 700c tires to outfit the Atlantis, 
> or to go 26" for either the MB-5 or XO-3.  In leaning towards the XO-3 and 
> making it the dedicated snow and ice bike through the winter.
>
> As always I'm curious what the group thinks...
>
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Addison Wilhite]

If my bike gets particularly crusty with ice/snow after a ride I'm lucky to
have a basement where I can let the stuff melt off and then I do a quick
wd-40 douse of the appropriate bits.  A full clean might follow if it looks
like the streets will be clear but otherwise I just stick to the basics
because I'm too lazy to spend a half hour cleaning my bike every day.

Tony, I think either of those bikes ought to be good although I'm not sure
how big the clearances are on the X0-3 for running bigger tires and a
fender.  Footprint is pretty key for me in Reno.


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On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Shoji Takahashi
wrote:

> Hi Tony,
> I've been winter bike commuting for a few years now in the Boston area. I
> use Nokian A10(?) studded tires (700X32) on my crosscheck. I meant to set
> it up as a single speed for the winter season, but was caught this past
> week without having done the conversion. Instead, I swapped tires from JB
> Greens to the studded ones when I realized the rain mix was going to change
> to snow/ice.
>
> My biggest concern for winter commuting is ice. The roads for my ride are
> plowed, and even in heavy snow fall, the snow's not too deep to ride (maybe
> a few inches). I've found the Nokians to cut through the snow and slush to
> the road, and that works for my commute. I don't think a fat bike's
> flotation would offer an advantage.
>
> I prefer a dedicated snow/ice bike, as the salt+dirt really wears on the
> drive train. I'm also not very good at wiping it down after a ride, as,
> well... it's cold and I'm lazy.
>
> When the snow clears, there's usually stretches of days or even weeks when
> the roads are free of salt, and I can then take out the nice bike (w/o
> being as concerned of corrosion).
>
> If I had your stable of bikes, I would outfit the MB-5 or XO-3 with
> Schwalbe Marathon winters. (Maybe set up as a single speed or fixed, if
> possible.)
>
> Another option is getting a separate wheelset to swap out the wheels from
> studded to regular tires (which I'm considering for my own bike).
>
> Ride safely,
> shoji
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:44:43 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
>> As I get ready for bed tonight realizing I probably don't have a safe set
>> of this to ride in tomorrow's icy conditions in DC I'm shopping for winter
>> tires...
>>
>> I'm curious about those who live in an area that does not have consistent
>> snow or ice conditions but gets it enough to want the capability to ride in
>> them.  Do you set up a'snow bike' dedicated to the winter tires, put the
>> tires on your primary commuter and leave them all season, swap them out as
>> each storm or threat of storm comes through...?  Some other solution...
>>
>> My personal decision is whether to get 700c tires to outfit the Atlantis,
>> or to go 26" for either the MB-5 or XO-3.  In leaning towards the XO-3 and
>> making it the dedicated snow and ice bike through the winter.
>>
>> As always I'm curious what the group thinks...
>>
>> Tony
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Shoji, Addison,

My thoughts are right aligned with your suggestions, the XO-3 is going to
be set up SS/Fixed with a Eno Eccentric hub.  It would take the 26x1.75
Marathon Winters, perhaps the 2" version in the front.  I'm going to look
for some to order tonight!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Liesl]

Here in Minnesota, good old fashioned unlined leather chopper mitts with 
wool mitten liners.  I fashioned a mitten leash out of lampwick 
Antarctic-explorer style (e.g. 
http://www.viaggipolari.it/ernest-shackleton-2/),  It's excellent because I 
can take the mitts off and not have to hold them.  Helpful at stop lights, 
etc, and sometimes I just slip them off for a few minutes if I get too 
warm; cools my whole body.  While cotton lampwick is the traditional 
material, it is hard to find in bulk. You could make a leash out of nylon 
webbing, leather, rope, etc.  The cross-brace (see photo on site) just 
needs to be able to slide.  And then just tack a bar on to the cuff of each 
mitt, much like a light blinky bar/tab, and loop the leash through each 
mitt.  Use buckles, snaps, whatever your fancy as a way to remove the leash 
from the mitt or to adjust the length of the leash.  To size, make sure the 
leash is slightly longer than finger-tip to finger-tip with arms out 
straight to the sides (wingspan)  Plus you can hang 'em up on a hook; it's 
a total mitten-loss protection system!

cheers,
liesl
and it's wicked cold here today

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[RBW] FS: Schwalbe Mondial Evolution Line Tires 700x42 - Like New

[jar351]

$90 + actual shipping for the pair?

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Deacon Patrick]

Speaking of Polar Expititions (Winnie the Pooh reference): 
http://scottexpedition.com (They are a month and a half in to a 
self-contained human powered sledge to the South Pole), and just got off 
Beardmore Glacier.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:35:21 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Here in Minnesota, good old fashioned unlined leather chopper mitts with 
> wool mitten liners.  I fashioned a mitten leash out of lampwick 
> Antarctic-explorer style (e.g. 
> http://www.viaggipolari.it/ernest-shackleton-2/),  It's excellent because 
> I can take the mitts off and not have to hold them.  Helpful at stop 
> lights, etc, and sometimes I just slip them off for a few minutes if I get 
> too warm; cools my whole body.  While cotton lampwick is the traditional 
> material, it is hard to find in bulk. You could make a leash out of nylon 
> webbing, leather, rope, etc.  The cross-brace (see photo on site) just 
> needs to be able to slide.  And then just tack a bar on to the cuff of each 
> mitt, much like a light blinky bar/tab, and loop the leash through each 
> mitt.  Use buckles, snaps, whatever your fancy as a way to remove the leash 
> from the mitt or to adjust the length of the leash.  To size, make sure the 
> leash is slightly longer than finger-tip to finger-tip with arms out 
> straight to the sides (wingspan)  Plus you can hang 'em up on a hook; it's 
> a total mitten-loss protection system!
>
> cheers,
> liesl
> and it's wicked cold here today
>

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[RBW] Brilliant Berkeley Bombadil

[BSWP]

Berkeleyside is our local online news feed,, and last night's wire summary 
led with a brilliant photo by David Abercrombie... the Diaga-tube gives it 
away even before you figure out the Brooks saddle, Nitto rack, or downtube 
badge...

http://www.berkeleyside.com/2013/12/10/the-berkeley-wire-12-10-13/

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Jeremy Till]

I agree that Surly took a page from Riv's book in the Long Haul Trucker, 
and that has a lot to do with that bike's success, and why I myself bought 
an LHT frame earlier this year.  It's clear that they share a generally 
Rivendellian view of what makes a good mostly paved-road tourer: generous 
clearances, copius rack and fender braze-ons, long chainstays, slacker 
angles, tall headtubes.  It does, however, have some distinctively Surly 
design aspects.  1 1/8" threadless headset is one, as well as the fact that 
it is available in a disc brake version, or that even in sizes up to 64cm 
you have the option of 700c or 26" wheels.  

However, I hardly think you can attribute Surly's success generally to it's 
agreement with Rivendell in one of its models.  Surly's early success came 
from being being one of the first companies to cater to a number of closely 
related niches that grew a lot during the 2000's: fixed gear road riding 
(the Steamroller and their fixed gear hubs), singlespeed mountain biking 
(their first product was the 1x1, which i think was the first mass-produced 
dedicated SS MTB frame), and 29er's (the Karate Monkey).  When I first got 
into riding fixed gears ~10 years ago, they were the only company making 
frames and components for the purpose of riding fixed gears on the road, 
with more appropriate durability, clearances, etc than the track racing 
stuff that had been available before.  You could even argue that Rivendell 
took a page out of Surly's book with the Quickbeam, a bike for riding 
singlespeed or fixed gear on the road that came out after Surly had been 
making the Steamroller and Cross Check (a singlespeedable cross bike) for a 
number of years.  I'm not arguing that, but you could. 

Since then, they've also invested in a number of other tiny niches and 
reaped the rewards when they expanded: they basically invented mass-market 
fat bikes, and were the first people to make a dedicated 
Xtracycle-compatible longtail cargo bike, a market which is now growing 
great guns.  

In summary, Surly's a cool company (or rather subsidiary of a company), but 
not just because they agree with Grant on the topic of touring bikes.  I 
for one have always appreciated their somewhat irreverent marketing, 
although I can understand it doesn't quite float everyone's boat.  I'll 
probably order a "Racing Sucks" patch.

On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:07:26 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek.  Spending as much time 
> reading forums as I do, that are all way less civil than this one, 
> I've probably forgotten how to be offended - though I can see how many 
> would take it that way.  It's DEFINITELY generational, however - which, 
> though I didn't say it, is what I thought was so interesting about it.   
>
> I've always felt that Surly could never have even existed had it not been 
> for Rivendell.   When they launched, the concept of a company focusing on 
> building skinny-tubed, steel bikes with 1" headsets,  provisions for racks, 
> and room for fat tires and fenders was pretty "out there" to most 
> mainstream consumers.   Yet, for all this, they've thrived.And, partly, 
> on the tails of bikes like the Long Haul Trucker which was a direct copy of 
> the All Rounder.   Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it makes 
> it more ironic that they produced this patch so shortly after Riv quoined 
> and started marketing the whole "Un-Racer" thing.
>
> What I find interesting though, is how two companies can be so eerlily 
> *similar* - building no-nonsense bikes that work, are repairable, aren't 
> going to go out of style, and don't require the newest ever-changing 
> components - yet have such *different* marketplace personas.  Even 
> though BOTH companies are actually developing thought-provoking and 
> useful products (together, arguably changing the face of modern bike design 
> more than all other companies combined), ONE of those companies is often 
> considered "retro-grouchy" while the other is considered "hip."
>
> Clearly it pays to be "offensive" on some level, depending on who your 
> market is.  I just like anything that reminds people not to take themselves 
> too seriously. ;-)
>
>
>
>
>>

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[RBW] test

[jimD]

test

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[RBW] test

[jimD]

test2

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike gets the winter tires?

[blakcloud]

I think your decision is a wise one. I have a dedicated winter bike, Trek 
Portland that I turned into a single speed with 700 x 35mm Winter 
Marathons. This year I decided I was going back to gears, so it has been 
converted into a 9 speed  (originally it was 10 speed). It even fits 
fenders. Three things are a must for me in my winter climate, disk brakes, 
studded tires and fenders. In Toronto we can have extremes, today it is 
icy, next week we can get a dumping of snow and when it starts to melt, it 
just gets messy. Parts will wear out quicker over the winter but will be 
replaced when needed. I do have a Rivendell Sam but I would never use it in 
the winter for a myriad of reasons, the first being it is too nice to see 
snow. 

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:23:40 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Shoji, Addison,
>  
> My thoughts are right aligned with your suggestions, the XO-3 is going to 
> be set up SS/Fixed with a Eno Eccentric hub.  It would take the 26x1.75 
> Marathon Winters, perhaps the 2" version in the front.  I'm going to look 
> for some to order tonight!
>  
> Tony
>  
>

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[RBW] Schwalbe Marathon Winter Experience

[Deacon Patrick]

Anyone ride these as their main winter tire in varied conditions? I have two 
primary questions:
— how well do they work on ice with low pressure?
— how well do they work (silently) on dry roads with higher pressure?

With abandon,
Patrick

www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
www.OurHolyConception.org

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Re: [RBW] Bicycle Coffee

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I love their dark roast coffee!!!  They sell at the Grand Lake
farmer's market and if you buy a bag you get a free cup too. They also
distribute to Whole Foods, another coffee shop on Bay St. in
Emeryville and I saw once at Berkeley Bowl, but didn't see them
recently.  They deliver all of their coffee on bikes.

Toshi


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lee Chae  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> They also distribute their coffee to shops and stores by bike. One of them on 
> an Atlantis.
>
> Happy holidays all,
> Lee
> SF, CA
>
>> On Dec 7, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>
>> Came across this coffee place in Oakland yesterday as I was riding from the 
>> Amtrak station. Nice little shop--with a pedal-powered barista cart--and 
>> very good coffee. To top it all off, they give away coffee *free* every 
>> Friday, so I got a thermos full of individually prepared drip coffee for 
>> nothing.
>>
>> I was so impressed that I bought a pair of very warm wool socks with the 
>> shop's logo on them.
>>
>> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157638428255855/
>>
>> Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Marathon Winter Experience

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Patrick,
I have a set of 26" Schwalbe Marathon Winters. They are not silent, and 
they impart vibration to the handlebars when riding on pavement. 

For my road riding (I haven't used them offroad), they do work well on 
road+ice. I've used them at the usual road pressure, but I could probably 
get a way with lower pressure as the tire sidewalls are quite stiff. No 
doubt that I prefer other tires, but these (and the Nokian A10s) add a bit 
of confidence when roads can get icy.

All the best,
Shoji

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:53:35 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Anyone ride these as their main winter tire in varied conditions? I have 
> two primary questions:
> — how well do they work on ice with low pressure?
> — how well do they work (silently) on dry roads with higher pressure?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
>  
>

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[RBW] Kiwi Rivsters out there?

[Liesl]

Kia ora!  Any Rivsters out there who live on the North Island, especially 
Auckland?  Let me know! We are crossing the seas in a little over a week to 
see my family and are bringing two pretty dang cute Riv'ed out Fridays.  
(I'm not really a user of the word cute, but in this case, I can't think of 
a more apt word.)  

Noho ora mai, Liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Christopher Chen]

A friend has recently started sewing gauntlets for handlebars, with velcro
so you can easily apply/remove them from your hoods/bars. They work great.
http://bikemitts.com/


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Speaking of Polar Expititions (Winnie the Pooh reference):
> http://scottexpedition.com (They are a month and a half in to a
> self-contained human powered sledge to the South Pole), and just got off
> Beardmore Glacier.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:35:21 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Here in Minnesota, good old fashioned unlined leather chopper mitts with
>> wool mitten liners.  I fashioned a mitten leash out of lampwick
>> Antarctic-explorer style (e.g. http://www.viaggipolari.it/
>> ernest-shackleton-2/),  It's excellent because I can take the mitts off
>> and not have to hold them.  Helpful at stop lights, etc, and sometimes I
>> just slip them off for a few minutes if I get too warm; cools my whole
>> body.  While cotton lampwick is the traditional material, it is hard to
>> find in bulk. You could make a leash out of nylon webbing, leather, rope,
>> etc.  The cross-brace (see photo on site) just needs to be able to slide.
>> And then just tack a bar on to the cuff of each mitt, much like a light
>> blinky bar/tab, and loop the leash through each mitt.  Use buckles, snaps,
>> whatever your fancy as a way to remove the leash from the mitt or to adjust
>> the length of the leash.  To size, make sure the leash is slightly longer
>> than finger-tip to finger-tip with arms out straight to the sides
>> (wingspan)  Plus you can hang 'em up on a hook; it's a total mitten-loss
>> protection system!
>>
>> cheers,
>> liesl
>> and it's wicked cold here today
>>
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[RBW] WTB - 1" quill stem, silver 27.2mm seatpost

[Tim Gavin]

(cross-posted to iBOB)

I'm looking for a 1" quill stem, short reach (60mm or less), silver finish,
25.4mm clamp.  And a silver 27.2mm seat post with modern saddle clamp.
High lustre finish preferred over satin, but let me know what you have.

These are for my girlfriend's xmas present, a lovely Soma San Marcos (51cm,
650b wheels).  She needs less reach to the handlebars, and the seatpost
needs to be silver on this pretty frame.

Neither needs to be exceptionally tall.  She's 5'3 so only needs about a
fist-full of seatpost showing.  The head-tube is quite tall (Grant Petersen
designed) so the handlebars are easy to get high with a normal height stem.

The seatpost (Ritchey Comp 27.2mm) and the handlebars (Soma Highway One
46cm) are up for swap for the parts I need.

The handlebars will be replaced with Nitto Randonneur bars, and the seat
with a new Brooks B17S.

Thanks for checking your parts bin!

Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA

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[RBW] Synergy rim users. Opportunity to stock up

[Bill Lindsay]

Boulder Bikes seems to be putting their money where their mouth is, so to 
speak.  They are confident that their Velocity A23 rim offerings are the 
ultimate for 700c and 650b, so they are blowing out their Synergy and 
Pacenti PL23 rims.  700c and 650b in the Synergies.  650b only for the 
Pacentis.  The only current gripe about the Synergy is that folding bead 
tires don't seat all that well.  I was one of the gripers, and now I use 
wire bead tires on my 650b Synergy wheelsets with better results.  It's a 
great chance to stock up on the cheap. $49 each for synergies and $38 each 
for the Pacentis. 

Boulder 
Blowouts

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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Rod Holland]

For temperatures below 20degF, I wear Empire Wool & Canvas ICEBIKE Mittens. 
Cozy on a monumental scale, made in Duluth, where they know from cold. This 
link tells the tale, including the fact that they're skipping a production year 
(I expect they'll be back next year). 
http://www.empirecanvasworks.com/icebikemittens.htm

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike gets the winter tires?

[NickBull]

I've bicycle-commuted in the DC area every day that I went to work for the 
last nine years--except for a month in 2010 when the snow was deeper than 
my axles and I just couldn't make any headway on my "narrow" 26x2.1" Nokian 
Hakka WXC300 studded tires!  That was the winter that I wanted a Surly 
Pugsley with some 45North Dillinger 26x4" studded tires.  Maybe those would 
have floated me through.

Anyway: If your commute will be on bike paths (mine are the Custis, Mt 
Vernon, and W&OD), then I'd strongly recommend getting either the 
abovementioned Nokian's, or Nokian Extreme 296, or the Schwalbe Ice Spiker 
Pro.  The key thing is to have a ton of studs including studs sticking out 
to the sides.  Because what happens on the DC area bike paths (none of 
which are plowed to my knowledge) is that during the day, the snow 
partially melts, people ride on it sliding all over and leave ruts that 
veer every which way (not to mention all the walkers with their 
footprints).  Then overnight everything refreezes and those ruts are like 
little icy Grand Canyons.  If your tires don't have enough studs sticking 
out to the sides to catch on the sidewalls of the ruts then they won't be 
able to climb out of the rut.  So then the tire has no choice but to slide 
sideways down the rut while meanwhile your momentum continues forward, 
making it hard to avoid going down.  Of course, if your tires only have 
studs going out to the sides then you'll have trouble in turns.  So you 
need a row of studs down the center and to the sides, preferably quite 
close together so that there's always a stud touching the ground.  During 
the day, the interface between hard-packed snow/ice at the road surface and 
the warmer, wet snow often produces a slushy layer that is very much like 
riding in mud, except that the 4" of wet, heavy snow on top tends to make 
you veer around unpredictably.  I don't think the studded tires really help 
much, here, but the knobs may be helping a little.  

Nick


On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:23:40 AM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Shoji, Addison,
>  
> My thoughts are right aligned with your suggestions, the XO-3 is going to 
> be set up SS/Fixed with a Eno Eccentric hub.  It would take the 26x1.75 
> Marathon Winters, perhaps the 2" version in the front.  I'm going to look 
> for some to order tonight!
>  
> Tony
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I was just logging on to make an argument similar to Jeremy's about the 
similarity of the LHT to the Atlantis/All-Rounder not being an indication 
that Surly somehow plagiarized RBW's designs when they made the LHT. That 
claim has been repeated again and again, but it simply doesn't hold water 
when you compare the large number of differences between the two models. 
The idea of touring bikes having relaxed geometry, sturdy tubing, lowish 
BBs, and long chainstays/wheelbase was not invented by either RBW or by 
Surly. I like to imagine that both companies thought that the touring bike 
market was in for a resurgence, after lying mostly dormant for 20 years. 
Both designs used classic touring bike angles and dimensions for the most 
part, but were tweaked to accommodate the larger tires that were becoming 
available. On the other hand, I feel that the Atlantis was a revolutionary 
bike and that its relative success may have encouraged some other companies 
to jump on the touring bandwagon. I also feel that a lot of people buy a 
LHT as a "poor (wo)man's Atlantis".

As for the perceived Surly/RBW rivalry vibe I mentioned, I guess I was just 
referring to the sense that a lot of people here feel that Surly is 
unwelcoming and hostile, while Riv is warm and fuzzy and inclusive. Maybe 
just my imagination.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:36:26 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> I agree that Surly took a page from Riv's book in the Long Haul Trucker, 
> and that has a lot to do with that bike's success, and why I myself bought 
> an LHT frame earlier this year.  It's clear that they share a generally 
> Rivendellian view of what makes a good mostly paved-road tourer: generous 
> clearances, copius rack and fender braze-ons, long chainstays, slacker 
> angles, tall headtubes.  It does, however, have some distinctively Surly 
> design aspects.  1 1/8" threadless headset is one, as well as the fact that 
> it is available in a disc brake version, or that even in sizes up to 64cm 
> you have the option of 700c or 26" wheels.  
>
> However, I hardly think you can attribute Surly's success generally to 
> it's agreement with Rivendell in one of its models.  Surly's early success 
> came from being being one of the first companies to cater to a number of 
> closely related niches that grew a lot during the 2000's: fixed gear road 
> riding (the Steamroller and their fixed gear hubs), singlespeed mountain 
> biking (their first product was the 1x1, which i think was the first 
> mass-produced dedicated SS MTB frame), and 29er's (the Karate Monkey).  
> When I first got into riding fixed gears ~10 years ago, they were the only 
> company making frames and components for the purpose of riding fixed gears 
> on the road, with more appropriate durability, clearances, etc than the 
> track racing stuff that had been available before.  You could even argue 
> that Rivendell took a page out of Surly's book with the Quickbeam, a bike 
> for riding singlespeed or fixed gear on the road that came out after Surly 
> had been making the Steamroller and Cross Check (a singlespeedable cross 
> bike) for a number of years.  I'm not arguing that, but you could. 
>
> Since then, they've also invested in a number of other tiny niches and 
> reaped the rewards when they expanded: they basically invented mass-market 
> fat bikes, and were the first people to make a dedicated 
> Xtracycle-compatible longtail cargo bike, a market which is now growing 
> great guns.  
>
> In summary, Surly's a cool company (or rather subsidiary of a company), 
> but not just because they agree with Grant on the topic of touring bikes.  
> I for one have always appreciated their somewhat irreverent marketing, 
> although I can understand it doesn't quite float everyone's boat.  I'll 
> probably order a "Racing Sucks" patch.
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:07:26 PM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> I guess I took it as pretty tounge-in-cheek.  Spending as much time 
>> reading forums as I do, that are all way less civil than this one, 
>> I've probably forgotten how to be offended - though I can see how many 
>> would take it that way.  It's DEFINITELY generational, however - which, 
>> though I didn't say it, is what I thought was so interesting about it.   
>>
>> I've always felt that Surly could never have even existed had it not been 
>> for Rivendell.   When they launched, the concept of a company focusing on 
>> building skinny-tubed, steel bikes with 1" headsets,  provisions for racks, 
>> and room for fat tires and fenders was pretty "out there" to most 
>> mainstream consumers.   Yet, for all this, they've thrived.And, partly, 
>> on the tails of bikes like the Long Haul Trucker which was a direct copy of 
>> the All Rounder.   Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it makes 
>> it more ironic that they produced this patch so shortly after Riv quoined 
>> and started marketing the whole "Un-Racer" thing.
>>
>> What I find interesting tho

[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Deacon Patrick]

In the meantime, wool mittens and army canvas shooting gloves are rather 
remarkable.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:50:10 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> For temperatures below 20degF, I wear Empire Wool & Canvas ICEBIKE 
> Mittens. Cozy on a monumental scale, made in Duluth, where they know from 
> cold. This link tells the tale, including the fact that they're skipping a 
> production year (I expect they'll be back next year). 
> http://www.empirecanvasworks.com/icebikemittens.htm
>
> rod
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/11/2013 01:51 PM, NickBull wrote:
Because what happens on the DC area bike paths (none of which are 
plowed to my knowledge) is that during the day, the snow partially 
melts, people ride on it sliding all over and leave ruts that veer 
every which way (not to mention all the walkers with their 
footprints).  Then overnight everything refreezes and those ruts are 
like little icy Grand Canyons.  If your tires don't have enough studs 
sticking out to the sides to catch on the sidewalls of the ruts then 
they won't be able to climb out of the rut.  So then the tire has no 
choice but to slide sideways down the rut while meanwhile your 
momentum continues forward, making it hard to avoid going down. 


Excellent description, lacking only one point: after the first couple of 
days, the snow on the trails melts entirely in many places, leaving only 
splotches of rutted ice except for areas always in shade or at bridges & 
overpasses.   In those areas -- for example, on the Mount Vernon trail 
headed into DC, you can expect to find ice on the two overpasses at 
National Airport and under the bridges crossing the Potomac into the 
District -- the rutted ice can sometimes linger for a week or two.   
Those areas all together may add up to one, or perhaps two tenths of a 
mile on an 8 mile trip from Alexandria into the District.




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[RBW] Re: test

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:39:29 AM UTC-8, JimD wrote:
>
> test 
>

For Echo 

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Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Alex Zeibot]

Good source for more info on winter tires:
http://www.icebike.org/Equipment/tires.htm


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> As I get ready for bed tonight realizing I probably don't have a safe set
> of this to ride in tomorrow's icy conditions in DC I'm shopping for winter
> tires...
>
> I'm curious about those who live in an area that does not have consistent
> snow or ice conditions but gets it enough to want the capability to ride in
> them.  Do you set up a'snow bike' dedicated to the winter tires, put the
> tires on your primary commuter and leave them all season, swap them out as
> each storm or threat of storm comes through...?  Some other solution...
>
> My personal decision is whether to get 700c tires to outfit the Atlantis,
> or to go 26" for either the MB-5 or XO-3.  In leaning towards the XO-3 and
> making it the dedicated snow and ice bike through the winter.
>
> As always I'm curious what the group thinks...
>
> Tony
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[RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree that it would be absurd to call the LHT a copy of the Atlantis.  If 
people do that again and again, then they are being absurd every time. 
 Maybe I just tune out know-nothing claims like that.  I also agree that a 
lot of people on this list do not find Surly's sense of humor funny.  You, 
Jim, certainly are not imagining that.  I think Surly's sense of humor is 
hysterical.  I especially like the "bongs, farts and chainsaws" sticker you 
described.  Mail it to me if you aren't going to use it.  :-)  I also like 
this quote from the Steamroller page:

"You can get fancier bikes, but what are you, some kind of dick?"

I know there's plenty of room in this little corner of the bike business 
for both of them.  For every handwringer that gets all annoyed at a "racing 
sucks" patch, there's a techno-grouch grouching that Grant is a 
retro-grouch.  If somebody wants to go and get offended at something, 
nobody is going to stop them.  


On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:04:11 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
>
> I was just logging on to make an argument similar to Jeremy's about the 
> similarity of the LHT to the Atlantis/All-Rounder not being an indication 
> that Surly somehow plagiarized RBW's designs when they made the LHT. That 
> claim has been repeated again and again, but it simply doesn't hold water 
> when you compare the large number of differences between the two models. 
> The idea of touring bikes having relaxed geometry, sturdy tubing, lowish 
> BBs, and long chainstays/wheelbase was not invented by either RBW or by 
> Surly. I like to imagine that both companies thought that the touring bike 
> market was in for a resurgence, after lying mostly dormant for 20 years. 
> Both designs used classic touring bike angles and dimensions for the most 
> part, but were tweaked to accommodate the larger tires that were becoming 
> available. On the other hand, I feel that the Atlantis was a revolutionary 
> bike and that its relative success may have encouraged some other companies 
> to jump on the touring bandwagon. I also feel that a lot of people buy a 
> LHT as a "poor (wo)man's Atlantis".
>
> As for the perceived Surly/RBW rivalry vibe I mentioned, I guess I was 
> just referring to the sense that a lot of people here feel that Surly is 
> unwelcoming and hostile, while Riv is warm and fuzzy and inclusive. Maybe 
> just my imagination.
>
>


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[RBW] Re: Kiwi Rivsters out there?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Not a card-carrying member of the Riv Club, but Antoine travells on similar 
paths: http://www.flickr.com/photos/79498713@N00/

I'd drop him a line and say hi for sure!



On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:36:42 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
> Kia ora!  Any Rivsters out there who live on the North Island, especially 
> Auckland?  Let me know! We are crossing the seas in a little over a week to 
> see my family and are bringing two pretty dang cute Riv'ed out Fridays.  
> (I'm not really a user of the word cute, but in this case, I can't think of 
> a more apt word.)  
>
> Noho ora mai, Liesl
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[RBW] Re: Kiwi Rivsters out there?

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Travels... 

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:12:01 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Not a card-carrying member of the Riv Club, but Antoine travells on 
> similar paths: http://www.flickr.com/photos/79498713@N00/
>
> I'd drop him a line and say hi for sure!
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:36:42 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> Kia ora!  Any Rivsters out there who live on the North Island, especially 
>> Auckland?  Let me know! We are crossing the seas in a little over a week to 
>> see my family and are bringing two pretty dang cute Riv'ed out Fridays.  
>> (I'm not really a user of the word cute, but in this case, I can't think of 
>> a more apt word.)  
>>
>> Noho ora mai, Liesl
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Addison Wilhite]

That must be pre Schwalbe because I don't see any reviews of them.  The
ones I have get two thumbs up!


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On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Alex Zeibot  wrote:

> Good source for more info on winter tires:
> http://www.icebike.org/Equipment/tires.htm
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>
>> As I get ready for bed tonight realizing I probably don't have a safe set
>> of this to ride in tomorrow's icy conditions in DC I'm shopping for winter
>> tires...
>>
>> I'm curious about those who live in an area that does not have consistent
>> snow or ice conditions but gets it enough to want the capability to ride in
>> them.  Do you set up a'snow bike' dedicated to the winter tires, put the
>> tires on your primary commuter and leave them all season, swap them out as
>> each storm or threat of storm comes through...?  Some other solution...
>>
>> My personal decision is whether to get 700c tires to outfit the Atlantis,
>> or to go 26" for either the MB-5 or XO-3.  In leaning towards the XO-3 and
>> making it the dedicated snow and ice bike through the winter.
>>
>> As always I'm curious what the group thinks...
>>
>> Tony
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Patrick Moore]

You cold-land-ers: how would wool gloves inside canvas gloves compare to
wool mittens inside canvas mittens? Any idea? I find mittens rather
cumbersome (even though I generally don't have shift levers to mess with).

Today: Sugoi med weight cycling gloves (very nice 'cuz they have a velcro'd
wrist closure that allows you to get them on over liners and also makes
them so much easier to get on than the similar but elastic-cuffed P Izumis
I also have) inside cheap Polartec gloves. But it was about 35F and there
wan't no wind. I daresay that the Polartecs under bigger leather gloves
would be even better -- have some cheap (Sierra TP) leather dress gloves en
route.

Oh: I have small-to-med hands, buy Large cycling gloves for extra finger
room and buy XL overall gloves.




On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> In the meantime, wool mittens and army canvas shooting gloves are rather
> remarkable.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:50:10 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> For temperatures below 20degF, I wear Empire Wool & Canvas ICEBIKE
>> Mittens. Cozy on a monumental scale, made in Duluth, where they know from
>> cold. This link tells the tale, including the fact that they're skipping a
>> production year (I expect they'll be back next year).
>> http://www.empirecanvasworks.com/icebikemittens.htm
>>
>> rod
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Deacon Patrick]

Chances are you're fine for down there in ABQ with glove layers. I reserve 
the mittens for below 5-10 degrees. In case it helps, my hands get colder 
on the bike than they do when I am running in the exact same conditions (as 
in I bike to the trail head, run, bike back). My hands need more warmth on 
the bike, I presume due to constriction from grip.

The danger with canvas at your likely temps is if it is wet snow, then the 
canvas will absorb moisture and you are worse off with them on. You may be 
better with a leather outer glove (what I do for gloves).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:33:30 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> You cold-land-ers: how would wool gloves inside canvas gloves compare to 
> wool mittens inside canvas mittens? Any idea? I find mittens rather 
> cumbersome (even though I generally don't have shift levers to mess with).
>
> Today: Sugoi med weight cycling gloves (very nice 'cuz they have a 
> velcro'd wrist closure that allows you to get them on over liners and also 
> makes them so much easier to get on than the similar but elastic-cuffed P 
> Izumis I also have) inside cheap Polartec gloves. But it was about 35F and 
> there wan't no wind. I daresay that the Polartecs under bigger leather 
> gloves would be even better -- have some cheap (Sierra TP) leather dress 
> gloves en route.
>
> Oh: I have small-to-med hands, buy Large cycling gloves for extra finger 
> room and buy XL overall gloves.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> In the meantime, wool mittens and army canvas shooting gloves are rather 
>> remarkable.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:50:10 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
>>>
>>> For temperatures below 20degF, I wear Empire Wool & Canvas ICEBIKE 
>>> Mittens. Cozy on a monumental scale, made in Duluth, where they know from 
>>> cold. This link tells the tale, including the fact that they're skipping a 
>>> production year (I expect they'll be back next year). 
>>> http://www.empirecanvasworks.com/icebikemittens.htm
>>>
>>> rod
>>>
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Liesl]

Hi Patrick,

For cold weather, for me, mittens over gloves every time unless you're 
driving a car.  The only trouble I have biking with mittens is wedging my 
wool/leather choppers between the bar and cables on the 
forward-of-the-grips position on the Boscoes, and that is just not a big 
deal.  And I'm with Deacon Patrick on the value of army surplus wool mitts; 
one of my fav pairs is double wool with a wool palm and thumb.  great by 
itself at about 25 to 40 depending on conditions.

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[RBW] Re: Synergy rim users. Opportunity to stock up

[George Schick]

Thanks for the tip, Bill.  Them's good prices for that product. 
 Unfortunately, they seem to only offering the Velocity in 700C with 32 
holes.  I hafta have 36 to support my post-middle age ballast.


On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:27:16 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Boulder Bikes seems to be putting their money where their mouth is, so to 
> speak.  They are confident that their Velocity A23 rim offerings are the 
> ultimate for 700c and 650b, so they are blowing out their Synergy and 
> Pacenti PL23 rims.  700c and 650b in the Synergies.  650b only for the 
> Pacentis.  The only current gripe about the Synergy is that folding bead 
> tires don't seat all that well.  I was one of the gripers, and now I use 
> wire bead tires on my 650b Synergy wheelsets with better results.  It's a 
> great chance to stock up on the cheap. $49 each for synergies and $38 each 
> for the Pacentis. 
>
> Boulder 
> Blowouts
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[RBW] Re: Kiwi Rivsters out there?

[Liesl]

Antoine, are you by chance lurking about the listserv?

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Coffee

[Liesl]

Peace Coffee is the Minneapolis Bike Coffee of Choice.  Outstanding beans, 
finely prepared at their headquarters, fair agricultural practices and 
bike-delivery:

http://www.peacecoffee.com/resources/image-galleries/a-day-in-the-life-of-sam

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Coffee

[George Schick]

Thanks for that tip, Liesl.  I check their website and discovered that a 
shop in my own downtown area sells the stuff!  Never would've guessed it. 
 I'll hafta try it.


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>
>
> Peace Coffee is the Minneapolis Bike Coffee of Choice.  Outstanding beans, 
> finely prepared at their headquarters, fair agricultural practices and 
> bike-delivery:
>
>
> http://www.peacecoffee.com/resources/image-galleries/a-day-in-the-life-of-sam
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Re: [RBW] Which bike gets the winter tires?

[Trevor saxton]

I am a single speed commuter, in Toronto as well. in the winter I use a 
backpack and ride  a SS cross bike (currently using an all city nature boy) 
with wtb pathways, I have 2 sets, the tires are tough and have a decent amount 
of tread...I also live close to a dedicated path by the water, which is very 
cold but kept relatively ice free, if it's really cold and icy, I bundle 
up...slow down...and try and enjoy the rideI've slipped a couple of times 
in the last 3 years, but no flats and no wipeouts. 

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[RBW] New Sneakers for Homer.

[hsmitham]

Giving em a try. http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: SoCal Overnighter AKA S240 December 13 & 14th

[Coconutbill]

>
> thanks for the well wishes, but we diverge...
>

the coconut continues to roll... 

coconutbill
 

>  
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[RBW] Re: SoCal Overnighter AKA S240 December 13 & 14th

[dougP]

A rolling coconut is a good coconut.  Keep on rollin'.

dougP

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> thanks for the well wishes, but we diverge...
>>
>
> the coconut continues to roll... 
>
> coconutbill
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Mike]

I have a CC, LHT and a BD and love them all. I also have a Hilsen and a 
custom randonneuring bike. If I could have only one bike it would be my 
LHT. I love that bike. I've heard people complain about the tubing and the 
geometry and on and on and on. I just get on the thing and turn the pedals 
and it takes me where I want to go and if I'm not smiling it's not because 
of the bike. My only complaint about the LHT, no kickstand plate. The bike 
is stable with a load, handles just fine and has clearance for fenders and 
big tires. I love that in the bigger sizes you can choose between 700c and 
26" wheels. You can also get a disc version. 

As for the Racing Sucks patches... I'll order one. I think as others 
pointed out, it's tongue and cheek. Multiple Surly employees post on their 
blog. I must admit, I'm not a fan of Glen's posts. My favorite post tend to 
be by Skip who, if I'm not mistaken is Surly's equivalent of Grant. Anyway, 
here's a post of his from 2011 that I love. I think of it as Surly's 
version of Tips For Happy Riding.



If you think your bike looks good, it does.

If you like the way your bike rides, it’s an awesome bike.

You don’t need to spend a million dollars to have a great bike, but if you 
do spend a million dollars and know what you want you’ll probably also have 
a great bike.

Yes, you can tour on your bike – whatever it is.

Yes, you can race on your bike – whatever it is.

Yes, you can commute on your bike – whatever it is.

26” wheels or 29” or 650b or 700c or 24” or 20” or whatever – yes, that 
wheel size is rad and you’ll probably get where you’re going.

Disc brakes, cantis, v-brakes, and road calipers all do a great job of 
stopping a bike when they’re working and adjusted.

No paint job makes everyone happy.

Yes, you can put a rack on that. Get some p-clamps if there are no mounts.

Steel is a great material for making bike frames - so is aluminum, carbon 
fiber, and titanium.

You can have your saddle at whatever angle makes you happy.

Your handlebars can be lower than your saddle, even with your saddle, or 
higher than your saddle. Whichever way you like it is right.

Being shuttled up a downhill run does not make you a weak person, nor does 
choosing not to fly off of a 10 foot drop.

Bike frames made overseas can be super cool. Bike frames made in the USA 
can be super cool.

Hey, tattooed and pierced long shorts wearin flat brim hat red bull drinkin 
white Oakley sportin rad person on your full suspension big hit bike – nice 
work out there.

Hey, little round glasses pocket protector collared shirt skid lid rear 
view mirror sandal wearing schwalbe marathon running pletscher two-leg 
kickstand tourist – good job.

Hey, shaved leg skinny as hell super duper tan line hear rate monitor 
checking power tap train in the basement all winter super loud lycra kit 
million dollar wheels racer – keep it up.

The more you ride your bike, the less your ass will hurt.

The following short answers are good answers, but not the only ones for the 
question asked – 29”, Brooks, lugged, disc brake, steel, Campagnolo, 
helmet, custom, Rohloff, NJS, carbon, 31.8, clipless, porteur.

No bike does everything perfectly. In fact, no bike does anything until 
someone gets on it to ride.

Sometimes, recumbent bikes are ok.

Your bikeshop is not trying to screw you. They’re trying to stay open.

Buying things off of the internet is great, except when it sucks.

Some people know more about bikes than you do. Other people know less.

Maybe the person you waved at while you were out riding didn’t see you wave 
at them.

It sucks to be harassed by assholes in cars while you’re on a bike. It also 
sucks to drive behind assholes on bikes.

Did you build that yourself? Awesome. Did you buy that? Cool.

Wheelies are the best trick ever invented. That’s just a fact.

Which is better, riding long miles, or hanging out under a bridge doing 
tricks? Yes.

Yes, you can break your collar bone riding a bike like that.

Stopping at stop signs is probably a good idea.

Driving with your bikes on top of your car to get to a dirt trail isn’t 
ideal, but for most people it’s necessary.

If your bike has couplers, or if you have a spendy bike case, or if you pay 
a shop to pack your bike, or if you have a folding bike, shipping a bike is 
still a pain in the ass for everyone involved.

That dent in your frame is probably ok, but maybe it’s not. You should get 
it looked at.

Touch up paint always looks like shit. Often it looks worse than the 
scratch.

A pristine bike free of dirt, scratches, and wear marks makes me sort of 
sad.

A bike that’s been chained to the same tree for three years caked with rust 
and missing parts makes me sad too.

Bikes purchased at Wal-mart, Target, Costco, or K-mart are generally not 
the best bang for your buck.

Toe overlap is not the end of the world, unless you crash and die – then it 
is.

Sometimes parts break. Sometimes you crash. Sometimes it’s your fault.

Yes, you c

Re: [RBW] Synergy rim users. Opportunity to stock up

[Eric Daume]

That's about $49 more than I'd pay for a 650B synergy.

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Boulder Bikes seems to be putting their money where their mouth is, so to
> speak.  They are confident that their Velocity A23 rim offerings are the
> ultimate for 700c and 650b, so they are blowing out their Synergy and
> Pacenti PL23 rims.  700c and 650b in the Synergies.  650b only for the
> Pacentis.  The only current gripe about the Synergy is that folding bead
> tires don't seat all that well.  I was one of the gripers, and now I use
> wire bead tires on my 650b Synergy wheelsets with better results.  It's a
> great chance to stock up on the cheap. $49 each for synergies and $38 each
> for the Pacentis.
>
> Boulder 
> Blowouts
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Re: [RBW] Re: Synergy rim users. Opportunity to stock up

[Jim Bronson]

I can buy a fully built Synergy wheel for less than $110 each, front and
rear.  I ended up getting the front dynohub, so I paid a little more at
$146 from AE Bike.  But so far these wheels are doing great and yes they
have only 32 spokes and I weigh 270:

http://www.ebikestop.com/quality_wheels_pavement_rim_brake_rear_wheel_650b_32h_shimano_lx__velocity_synergy__dt_competition_all_silver-WE7429.php

http://www.ebikestop.com/quality_wheels_pavement__front_wheel_650b_32h_shimano_lx__velocity_synergy__dt_competition_all_silver-WE7428.php
Thanks for the tip, Bill.  Them's good prices for that product.
 Unfortunately, they seem to only offering the Velocity in 700C with 32
holes.  I hafta have 36 to support my post-middle age ballast.


On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:27:16 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Boulder Bikes seems to be putting their money where their mouth is, so to
> speak.  They are confident that their Velocity A23 rim offerings are the
> ultimate for 700c and 650b, so they are blowing out their Synergy and
> Pacenti PL23 rims.  700c and 650b in the Synergies.  650b only for the
> Pacentis.  The only current gripe about the Synergy is that folding bead
> tires don't seat all that well.  I was one of the gripers, and now I use
> wire bead tires on my 650b Synergy wheelsets with better results.  It's a
> great chance to stock up on the cheap. $49 each for synergies and $38 each
> for the Pacentis.
>
> Boulder 
> Blowouts
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I'm thinking that, perhaps, cheap Polartec gloves under the (not
yet arrived as of today) S T Post leather gloves will be the ticket. But it
is actually warming up!

(9*F low in ABQ a few days ago.)


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Chances are you're fine for down there in ABQ with glove layers. I reserve
> the mittens for below 5-10 degrees. In case it helps, my hands get colder
> on the bike than they do when I am running in the exact same conditions (as
> in I bike to the trail head, run, bike back). My hands need more warmth on
> the bike, I presume due to constriction from grip.
>
> The danger with canvas at your likely temps is if it is wet snow, then the
> canvas will absorb moisture and you are worse off with them on. You may be
> better with a leather outer glove (what I do for gloves).
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Re: [RBW] Synergy rim users. Opportunity to stock up

[Bill Lindsay]

Ouch, you must have had some of the cracking ones.  

But these ones are polished!



On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:35:49 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
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> That's about $49 more than I'd pay for a 650B synergy.
>
> Eric Daume
> Dublin, OH
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I wish I hadn't sold my two pairs of wool mittens, respectively
ragg and boiled. Must look for more ...
For some reason, I *do* have leather over-mittens -- odd.

Please post pics of New Zealand.

(Question: which is odder to American ears: the NZ accent or the South
African (English) accent? I had a SA client not too long ago and her accent
was -- to my small mind -- distinctly entertaining in a pleasant and not
belittling way.)


On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> For cold weather, for me, mittens over gloves every time unless you're
> driving a car.  The only trouble I have biking with mittens is wedging my
> wool/leather choppers between the bar and cables on the
> forward-of-the-grips position on the Boscoes, and that is just not a big
> deal.  And I'm with Deacon Patrick on the value of army surplus wool mitts;
> one of my fav pairs is double wool with a wool palm and thumb.  great by
> itself at about 25 to 40 depending on conditions.
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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Marathon Winter Experience

[blakcloud]

I have these tires in 700 x 35 but have never tried them with low pressure 
so I can't comment on that but I do love these tires on ice and feel very 
confident when using them. 

They are not silent and as Shoji says there is quite the vibration that is 
transmitted to the bar when riding on bare asphalt. They take a little time 
to get to use to the noise and vibration but to me this is outweighed by 
their overall effectiveness. Like most winter spiked tires, weight is a 
consideration. They are heavy tires compared to what you normally use. 
Again this is the cost of using studded tires. 

They do the job well and I would never ride a winter bike without a studded 
tire. 



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>
> Anyone ride these as their main winter tire in varied conditions? I have 
> two primary questions:
> — how well do they work on ice with low pressure?
> — how well do they work (silently) on dry roads with higher pressure?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Surly-Riv-rivalry?

[Grant Petersen]

We here are all fans of Surly and regularly (if not constantly) refer
people to them, when ours are clearly out of range. I've often said, at
least to myself, that a high compliment to any bike, even tho it doesn't
sound  like a compliment, is that it's Not Dumb. Surlys are not dumb. That
is huge in an age of manydumbikes. So many bikes, even and especially super
costly ones (not just the cheap ones trying to look like the super costly
ones) are dumb (of course by my standards, I'm not saying they're
objectively stupid)--and Surlys are smart. They're still (good). They fit
decent tires and racks and fenders.
But buying a bike isn't like buying a pen or a wallet. It has to fit, has
to have the right parts on it for the riding and the weather and the
weight.
Surly copy Riv? You know, early on I heard it from a reliable but not
ironclad source that one of the early Surlys copied exactly the geometry of
a Bstone RB-1...but that's not a RIV, and if I cared about that I wouldn't
publish our geometries. If somebody thinks they're worth copying, please
do! More smarter bikes will be out there in traffic then.
Years ago, the Gios Torino catalog was a crackup in that way. Every frame
from 46 to 64 (those were the size) was listed as having parallel 75-deg
seat and head tube angles. Why publish THAT?
In the '80s or '90s---what's a decade here or there?--the Eddy Merckx bikes
geometries were almost complete, and I think even EVEN had the front-center
measurement. But the head tube angle was listed as "proprietary." That was
funny.

We had an interview with Dave Gray (Surlyguy) in an old RR. I've never had
a bad experience there and have never heard any Riv employee denigrate
Surly, ever---and it's  not because they have orders not to, it's because
they like the bikes, as do I !

Surly has done a lot of good out there, continues to, and I can't speak for
Surly people, but I can speak for me, and I'm sure all Rivpeople
agree...and we are fans. The brands diverge at some point, but neither is
dumb.

G

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[RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

[Chris Lampe 2]

I don't have any experience with real mountain bikes but I've ridden two 
700c bikes that were very similar in their set-up on rough dirt.  One has a 
trail measurement of 74 and the other has 61mm of trail.   I rode both 
bikes with the same wheelset/tire combo on the same terrain and areas where 
I could comfortably ride the higher trail bike scared me to death on the 
lower trail bike.  I would pick a line and suddently find myself thrown off 
that line onto something I wouldn't choose to ride over.  This could 
probably be overcome with experience but as a beginner, the lower trail was 
problematic in even mildly rough terrain.   Most MTB's seem to have a 
higher level of trail so in my mind, that front-end stability is one of the 
defining characteristics of an MTB.  
 

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> Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a 
> Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least, 
> quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green.
>
> http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/
>
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> his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM.
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[jus...@giftandvariety.org]

I have a SO and love it. Maybe too much as it isn't my go-to bike as much 
as I had intended it to be (or rationalized it). It gets more attention 
than any other bike I have and I don't often let it leave my sight when I 
do take it out. It is not the fault of the bike; I am just that fond of it. 
I never understood why the SO didn't sell as well, or better than, the QB. 
Beside the fact that it is made in a different factory (even Grant has said 
that it is as well constructed as the QB) it has been improved upon with a 
kickstand plate (I don't believe anyone that complains about the 'look" or 
weight of a plate... functionality wins here). All that said, I would buy 
another if it were even MORE versatile with a rear cable bridge braze on 
(helps when carrying smaller saddlebags without support) OR just switching 
to sidepull breaks. I like the cantis but I think the sidepulls would make 
a simple bike even simpler. But more than anything... I think that a new 
SimpleBeam should be a Mixte frame! Yeah, it might be a deal breaker for 
some that think a level top tube is the only top tube that counts but a 
severely-sloping TT would make a useful bike even more useful with the 
addition of racks (and baskets) and easy (dis)mouting. Sure, young folks 
can swing those legs up like a dog marking their turf but with a mixte you 
can step-through like you mean it. With slightly thicker tubes (like an 
Atlantis) you could do anything, anywhere, anytime, with luggage!

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[RBW] Re: Surly-Riv-rivalry?

[rcnute]

One of my favorite setups as seen in the RR was the "Riv'd" out Surly 
Pugsley...

Ryan

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:15:32 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>
> We here are all fans of Surly and regularly (if not constantly) refer 
> people to them, when ours are clearly out of range. I've often said, at 
> least to myself, that a high compliment to any bike, even tho it doesn't 
> sound  like a compliment, is that it's Not Dumb. Surlys are not dumb. That 
> is huge in an age of manydumbikes. So many bikes, even and especially super 
> costly ones (not just the cheap ones trying to look like the super costly 
> ones) are dumb (of course by my standards, I'm not saying they're 
> objectively stupid)--and Surlys are smart. They're still (good). They fit 
> decent tires and racks and fenders. 
> But buying a bike isn't like buying a pen or a wallet. It has to fit, has 
> to have the right parts on it for the riding and the weather and the 
> weight. 
> Surly copy Riv? You know, early on I heard it from a reliable but not 
> ironclad source that one of the early Surlys copied exactly the geometry of 
> a Bstone RB-1...but that's not a RIV, and if I cared about that I wouldn't 
> publish our geometries. If somebody thinks they're worth copying, please 
> do! More smarter bikes will be out there in traffic then.
> Years ago, the Gios Torino catalog was a crackup in that way. Every frame 
> from 46 to 64 (those were the size) was listed as having parallel 75-deg 
> seat and head tube angles. Why publish THAT?
> In the '80s or '90s---what's a decade here or there?--the Eddy Merckx 
> bikes geometries were almost complete, and I think even EVEN had the 
> front-center measurement. But the head tube angle was listed as 
> "proprietary." That was funny. 
>
> We had an interview with Dave Gray (Surlyguy) in an old RR. I've never had 
> a bad experience there and have never heard any Riv employee denigrate 
> Surly, ever---and it's  not because they have orders not to, it's because 
> they like the bikes, as do I !
>
> Surly has done a lot of good out there, continues to, and I can't speak 
> for Surly people, but I can speak for me, and I'm sure all Rivpeople 
> agree...and we are fans. The brands diverge at some point, but neither is 
> dumb.
>
> G
>
> -- 
> Grant 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works
> www.rivbike.com
> 925 933 7304
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Surly-Riv-rivalry?

[dougP]

Not Dumb is good.  Sometimes we think too much about this stuff.  

dougP

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 8:15:32 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>
> We here are all fans of Surly and regularly (if not constantly) refer 
> people to them, when ours are clearly out of range. I've often said, at 
> least to myself, that a high compliment to any bike, even tho it doesn't 
> sound  like a compliment, is that it's Not Dumb. Surlys are not dumb. That 
> is huge in an age of manydumbikes. So many bikes, even and especially super 
> costly ones (not just the cheap ones trying to look like the super costly 
> ones) are dumb (of course by my standards, I'm not saying they're 
> objectively stupid)--and Surlys are smart. They're still (good). They fit 
> decent tires and racks and fenders. 
> But buying a bike isn't like buying a pen or a wallet. It has to fit, has 
> to have the right parts on it for the riding and the weather and the 
> weight. 
> Surly copy Riv? You know, early on I heard it from a reliable but not 
> ironclad source that one of the early Surlys copied exactly the geometry of 
> a Bstone RB-1...but that's not a RIV, and if I cared about that I wouldn't 
> publish our geometries. If somebody thinks they're worth copying, please 
> do! More smarter bikes will be out there in traffic then.
> Years ago, the Gios Torino catalog was a crackup in that way. Every frame 
> from 46 to 64 (those were the size) was listed as having parallel 75-deg 
> seat and head tube angles. Why publish THAT?
> In the '80s or '90s---what's a decade here or there?--the Eddy Merckx 
> bikes geometries were almost complete, and I think even EVEN had the 
> front-center measurement. But the head tube angle was listed as 
> "proprietary." That was funny. 
>
> We had an interview with Dave Gray (Surlyguy) in an old RR. I've never had 
> a bad experience there and have never heard any Riv employee denigrate 
> Surly, ever---and it's  not because they have orders not to, it's because 
> they like the bikes, as do I !
>
> Surly has done a lot of good out there, continues to, and I can't speak 
> for Surly people, but I can speak for me, and I'm sure all Rivpeople 
> agree...and we are fans. The brands diverge at some point, but neither is 
> dumb.
>
> G
>
> -- 
> Grant 
> Rivendell Bicycle Works
> www.rivbike.com
> 925 933 7304
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Coffee

[hsmitham]

Eric,

That's the coolest damn thing...I wish the BA could import coolness.

~Hugh

On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:06:11 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Came across this coffee place in Oakland yesterday as I was riding from 
> the Amtrak station. Nice little shop--with a pedal-powered barista 
> cart--and very good coffee. To top it all off, they give away coffee *free* 
> every Friday, so I got a thermos full of individually prepared drip coffee 
> for nothing. 
>
> I was so impressed that I bought a pair of very warm wool socks with the 
> shop's logo on them. 
>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157638428255855/ 
>
> Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Coffee

[hsmitham]

On second thoughtthey do Rivendell Ha! And probably lots of other stuff too.

~Hugh

On Saturday, December 7, 2013 9:06:11 AM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Came across this coffee place in Oakland yesterday as I was riding from 
> the Amtrak station. Nice little shop--with a pedal-powered barista 
> cart--and very good coffee. To top it all off, they give away coffee *free* 
> every Friday, so I got a thermos full of individually prepared drip coffee 
> for nothing. 
>
> I was so impressed that I bought a pair of very warm wool socks with the 
> shop's logo on them. 
>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157638428255855/ 
>
> Eric N 
> www.CampyOnly.com 
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

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[RBW] Price change on my 83 Stump jumper

[Peter Morgano]

With market conditions being as they are I think I can now safely ask 3k...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1st-Gen-Specialized-StumpJumper-/231112952839?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35cf67cc07

;-)

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[RBW] FT: My TRP RRL Brake Lever for Your Shimano Tiagra Brake Lever

[Irv]

I have these exact TRP RRL Brake Levers (
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bl6-grey.htm)

and would like to trade them for Shimano Tiagra Brake Levers (
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bl1.htm)

Please e-mail me off list if interested in trading.

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