[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Philip Williamson]

My best time on the 1 mile hill on the lunch loop was on the Quickbeam with 
an 82" gear. Hard, but I've worked just as hard on the geared bikes I ride 
on that loop. 
I've had my QB since they were launched, and I'd ride it anywhere. The 
other Sheldonish thing about them is that a dingle (two gears, shifted 
manually) setup is easy and encouraged. Two rings and a Dingle fixed cog or 
White Dos Eno freewheel puts you 15 seconds away from a much more 
appropriate gear. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 3:05:06 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
> I would love a Rivendell single speed bike, but I live in rolling terrain 
>> and it is hard enough for me getting up the hills.
>>
> But I am sure it takes you to a whole other level of exhilaration riding a 
> one-geared-no-shifters bike.
>

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[RBW] Spot the Riv product

[Scot Brooks]

I've never come across a Rivendell product placed in an ad for something 
else until just now, and it sure fancied up the thing. Wonder if anyone 
else has stumbled across something similar. Check out the last image for a 
sweet Sackville. http://freemanseattle.com/products/the-freeman

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[RBW] OT but brings a tear to my eye

[Deacon Patrick]

Beautiful!

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[IanA]

Gets pretty cold up here, with wind chill just in the last week it was -28 
Celsius (minus 18F) on my six mile snow laden commute to work,  I have some 
mitts very similar to these 
http://outdoorjay.blogspot.ca/2013/02/mec-logan-mitts-review.html with 
removable fleece inners and the leather outers.  I sometimes have to bunch 
my thumb and fingers together inside the mitts until I get a bit warmed up, 
but these mitts have been amazing for warmth. I would think any high 
quality ski mitts would work well.  I have the inline/interrupter levers 
and 46cm Noodle bars and find that it's easy to brake with the 
interrupters/mitts combo, but the drop levers are more of a challenge with 
mitts on.  

The low pressure system that brought us an early winter has thankfully 
passed through and we're back into 0 degree (32F) weather give or take for 
a few days.  The studded tires won't e off until April, probably.  A long 
winter ahead.

Ian A
Edmonton AB Canada

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:58:41 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> Looking for gloves and thought I would see what you all use.
>

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Re: [RBW] OT but brings a tear to my eye

[nawrock]

Tom, 
Thanks for posting this. 
Great short read, I love this kind of stuff. 
Dave Nawrocki 
Fort Collins, CO 

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Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:26:32 PM 
Subject: [RBW] OT but brings a tear to my eye 

Redemption 

With best regards 

Tom 



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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[nawrock]

Rivendell carried these about ten years ago, bought a pair then and still in 
use now. 
They are pretty worn as they are my go to glove for cold riding temps. 
Sometimes I will pull the half mits over them. 

http://www.foxsox.com/catalog/product.aspx?type=subcategory&sortorder=stylenumber&code=GLOVE&selectedstyle=9360
 

Dave Nawrocki 
Fort Collins, CO 



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Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:58:41 PM 
Subject: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F? 

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Re: [RBW] OT but brings a tear to my eye

[Eric Platt]

A seriously cool story.  Thanks for sharing that one.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:02 AM,  wrote:

> Tom,
> Thanks for posting this.
> Great short read, I love this kind of stuff.
> Dave Nawrocki
> Fort Collins, CO
>
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> *Subject: *[RBW] OT but brings a tear to my eye
>
>
> Redemption 
>
> With best regards
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Eric Platt]

Below 35 usually some Capo gloves that do a good job of blocking the wind.
They have some padding which is why I chose them.   Below about 25 then
will pull out either some lobster gloves or choppers (deerskin mitten
covers over ragg wool mittens).  Had the latter on a ride yesterday when
the temps were about 15 or so.  If I'm silly enough to be out when it's
below zero, then probably be a set of pogie mittens from Empire Canvas.
 Definite overkill.  Also really tough to use on a drop bar bike.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:12 AM,  wrote:

> Rivendell carried these about ten years ago, bought a pair then and still
> in use now.
> They are pretty worn as they are my go to glove for cold riding temps.
> Sometimes I will pull the half mits over them.
>
>
> http://www.foxsox.com/catalog/product.aspx?type=subcategory&sortorder=stylenumber&code=GLOVE&selectedstyle=9360
>
> Dave Nawrocki
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
>
> --
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> *To: *rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:58:41 PM
> *Subject: *[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees
> F?
>
>
> Looking for gloves and thought I would see what you all use.
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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Matthew J]

Freezing to around 20 or so I use some thick Alpaca gloves over a thin silk 
liner.  When it drops below 20 Pearl Izumi lobsters.  Have not yet cycled 
in weather cold enough to wear something under the Lobsters.  Those gloves 
are darn warm.

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:20:30 AM UTC-6, EricP wrote:
>
> Below 35 usually some Capo gloves that do a good job of blocking the wind. 
> They have some padding which is why I chose them.   Below about 25 then 
> will pull out either some lobster gloves or choppers (deerskin mitten 
> covers over ragg wool mittens).  Had the latter on a ride yesterday when 
> the temps were about 15 or so.  If I'm silly enough to be out when it's 
> below zero, then probably be a set of pogie mittens from Empire Canvas. 
>  Definite overkill.  Also really tough to use on a drop bar bike.  
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 7:12 AM, > wrote:
>
>> Rivendell carried these about ten years ago, bought a pair then and still 
>> in use now.
>> They are pretty worn as they are my go to glove for cold riding temps.
>> Sometimes I will pull the half mits over them.
>>
>>
>> http://www.foxsox.com/catalog/product.aspx?type=subcategory&sortorder=stylenumber&code=GLOVE&selectedstyle=9360
>>
>> Dave Nawrocki
>> Fort Collins, CO
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> *To: *rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:58:41 PM
>> *Subject: *[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 
>> degrees F?
>>
>>
>> Looking for gloves and thought I would see what you all use.
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[RBW] mechanical issues

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

2 annoying mechanical issues on my Sam Hillborne:
 

   1. Creaking - sometimes more, sometimes less, but dramatic enough to be 
   easily heard by someone riding next to me. Tried so far - tightening chain 
   ring bolts; cleaning, oiling and finaly replacing the chain; playing with 
   FD trim until cross-eyed, check BB for play. Next steps - replace pedals, 
   replace BB even though no play, ...? 
   2. Rear shifting - indexed bar end shifter was skipping my favorite cog 
   (15T), so yesterday I replaced the cassette, thinking I had waited too long 
   to replaced the chain a few weeks ago. Now it's skipping all over in 
   indexed mode, both up and down. Tightening the cable (also recently 
   replaced) didn't help either so I switched to friction, which is of course 
   fine. I have nothing against friction, but I don't like it when things 
   don't work. In this case I'm commuting in traffic with a 40-26 in front, so 
   for this terrain it's essentially a 1X9 and I want indexing. 

I don't have access to a Rivish LBS anymore, and no one I know around 
here has ever seen a bar end shifters. So it's just you guys.
 
Thanks,
Jay 

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Re: [RBW] mechanical issues

[Curtis McKenzie]

Chain length?
On Sunday, November 24, 2013, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

> 2 annoying mechanical issues on my Sam Hillborne:
>
>
>1. Creaking - sometimes more, sometimes less, but dramatic enough to
>be easily heard by someone riding next to me. Tried so far - tightening
>chain ring bolts; cleaning, oiling and finaly replacing the chain; playing
>with FD trim until cross-eyed, check BB for play. Next steps - replace
>pedals, replace BB even though no play, ...?
>2. Rear shifting - indexed bar end shifter was skipping my favorite
>cog (15T), so yesterday I replaced the cassette, thinking I had waited too
>long to replaced the chain a few weeks ago. Now it's skipping all over in
>indexed mode, both up and down. Tightening the cable (also recently
>replaced) didn't help either so I switched to friction, which is of course
>fine. I have nothing against friction, but I don't like it when things
>don't work. In this case I'm commuting in traffic with a 40-26 in front, so
>for this terrain it's essentially a 1X9 and I want indexing.
>
> I don't have access to a Rivish LBS anymore, and no one I know around
> here has ever seen a bar end shifters. So it's just you guys.
>
> Thanks,
> Jay
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[RBW] Re: mechanical issues

[ted]

Jay,

If shifting and gears work fine in friction mode but not indexed, the 
indexing must not be putting the derailleur in the proper location at the 
clicks. To get it correct adjust the barrel adjuster at the rear 
derailleur. You want the chain centered on the cog. Most likely if you look 
closely you will see it is off to one side of the other. You can also lift 
the rear wheel and turn the cranks to see if the chain is catching on the 
next larger cog but not fully shifting to it. If that is going on try 
turning the barrel adjuster in (clockwise) a quarter of 1/8th turn at t 
time till it stops (assuming rd is top normal and not rapid rise).

On the creaking, that can be hard to track down. If you are sure its coming 
from the crank / bb area, you might try pulling the cranks and reinstalling 
with a bit of grease on the bb tapers and bolts. Doing the same with the 
pedals may help. Others here will likely give you many other things to try. 
Chasing down creaks can be very exasperating. My sympathies for your 
plight, and bets of luck getting it silenced.



On Sunday, November 24, 2013 6:07:51 AM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> 2 annoying mechanical issues on my Sam Hillborne:
>  
>
>1. Creaking - sometimes more, sometimes less, but dramatic enough to 
>be easily heard by someone riding next to me. Tried so far - tightening 
>chain ring bolts; cleaning, oiling and finaly replacing the chain; playing 
>with FD trim until cross-eyed, check BB for play. Next steps - replace 
>pedals, replace BB even though no play, ...? 
>2. Rear shifting - indexed bar end shifter was skipping my favorite 
>cog (15T), so yesterday I replaced the cassette, thinking I had waited too 
>long to replaced the chain a few weeks ago. Now it's skipping all over in 
>indexed mode, both up and down. Tightening the cable (also recently 
>replaced) didn't help either so I switched to friction, which is of course 
>fine. I have nothing against friction, but I don't like it when things 
>don't work. In this case I'm commuting in traffic with a 40-26 in front, 
> so 
>for this terrain it's essentially a 1X9 and I want indexing. 
>
> I don't have access to a Rivish LBS anymore, and no one I know around 
> here has ever seen a bar end shifters. So it's just you guys.
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay 
>

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[RBW] Re: OT but brings a tear to my eye

[Montclair BobbyB]

Most definitely ON TOPIC... Thx.

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:26:32 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
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> Redemption
>
> With best regards
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: mechanical issues

[Edwin W]

My creaks have mostly been saddle related, and I have heard lots of good 
solutions on this list. 

Good luck!

Edwin

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[RBW] Re: mechanical issues

[Dave Johnston]

I have had mysterious creaking coming from the saddle and the cable housing 
before. The housing only creaked when I was turning the bars though.

-Dave J

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:08:27 AM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> My creaks have mostly been saddle related, and I have heard lots of good 
> solutions on this list. 
>
> Good luck!
>
> Edwin
>
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[RBW] mechanical issues

[Kelly]

Noises suck.. Chased one all morning once only to find here was still ice from 
the last ride I'm the insulated water bottle.
Creak instead of knock.. Seat post / saddle - handlebars / stem ... Noise only 
when pedaling or when climbing when?

Shifting .. I do this ..
 Loosen cable completely and make sure it's on the little cog and smooth... Or 
adjust limit screw - with rapid rise this would be the large cog.
 Note the lever would be all the way down in indexed mode.   Then with needle 
nose pliers I pull the cable tight and secure it.  Most times it just works 
from there.  I manged to mess it up by pulling to tight or not tight enough in 
that the shift cable is obviously loose or I pull so hard the derailler moves.  
I then us cable adjuster to fine time the setup.
Note I generally screw the adjuster all the way in on new cables since they 
stretch so much at first.  After that I leave it about center.   

If it still doesn't shift make sure or better yet check first that the cable is 
moving smoothly in the housing.  Even new it's possible to miss a kink on the 
end or something.  

Good luck

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[justinaugust]

I definitely get into the synthetics for cold weather gear - even if it's just 
the outer shell. Smartwool liner with lobster gloves for coldest, some 
windproofed commuter gloves from City Sports for around town and "classy" time, 
some Garneau full fingers if I'm full off road to keep dexterity. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Spot the Riv product

[cyclotourist]

Not to mention the urban hatchet!

On 11/24/13, Scot Brooks  wrote:
> I've never come across a Rivendell product placed in an ad for something
> else until just now, and it sure fancied up the thing. Wonder if anyone
> else has stumbled across something similar. Check out the last image for a
> sweet Sackville. http://freemanseattle.com/products/the-freeman
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[RBW] Re: OT but brings a tear to my eye

[Kellie Stapleton]

Great story, thanks. Now I need to get on mine for some mental purification!

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:26:32 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Redemption
>
> With best regards
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Light camping stove options

[Ron Mc]

throwing up another stove option here.  http://www.solostove.com/  Solo 
Stove burns wood or alcohol.  It was recommended by my buddy who was air 
force special ops and spent most of his career flying rescue in Alaska.  

On Monday, August 26, 2013 11:06:15 PM UTC-5, velomann wrote:
>
> +1 on snow peak gigapower stove. I actually own 2 so I can lend one out. 
> Great power and fairly adjustable, at around 4 ounces. And mine are not the 
> Ti version. My other stove is a homemade "Pepsi" stove that's actually a 
> Guiness stove (higher octane ;-) Combined with a Snowpeak ti pot and cup, 
> it makes a super light and packable cook system.  I used to use a MSR 
> whisperlight, but these two options do everything I need, and packing 
> alcohol or canisters is far easier than the white gas I used to use.
>
> Mike
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[RBW] FS: Atlantis (51cm and 58cm) and VO Campeur in Montreal

[Eugene]

Hi All,

A dear friend has a few nice bikes up for sale in Montreal. They are all in 
superb condition. I can help facilitate to Toronto.


http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4164897917.html


http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4197239757.html

http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4198826935.html

All the best,
Eugene

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[RBW] Re: Light camping stove options

[Deacon Patrick]

I love my Kelly Kettle. Boils water amazingly fast and I can grill steaks 
on it after. http://www.kellykettleusa.com

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 23, 2013 5:47:01 PM UTC-6, richd...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> With all the camping talk I wanted to share that I'm impressed with the 
> Vargo hexagon wood stove.  Mine is TI but stainless is a great option as 
> well. I really like that you can use it as an esbit stove, drop an alcohol 
> burner in there and use twigs as well.  It is light and packs small and 
> light. There are many out there like this if you search for light wood 
> burning stoves.  I also use it in my coffee  kit for longer rides where I 
> plan to take a break. Coffee prep is an entire new thread, but ill share 
> that the via style makes it tough to mess with much else imo. In Iowa many 
> rides or camping spots have a lot of dead wood around to use, or pack your 
> own. No need to buy fuel of any type.  I'm sure it is not ideal for all, 
> but nice for many. 

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[RBW] OT but brings a tear to my eye

[RoadieRyan]

Wow

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[RBW] Re: mechanical issues

[Michael]

>
> Hi Jay,
>
 

>  Creaking:
>
1.Are you using a sprung saddle?
Mine started creaking and I couldn't tell where it was coming from on the 
bike. Bounce in your saddle a few times and see if that is what it is.
2.Snug brake lever mounting bolts.
3.Thoroughly grease stem shaft and wedge and reinsert into head tube.
4.Snug up every bolt you can find on the bike including water bottle 
mounting bolts, rack bolts, etc. Re-tighten wheel quick releases. Snug 
pedals.
5. Try this bike noise troubleshooting page for ideas: 
http://www.jimlangley.net/wrench/keepitquiet.html

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[RBW] Late to the Jacket Party

[Rich Powers]

I know many could not sleep until I shared my jacket opinion! :-)

I could not sleep spending that kind of money on a riv jacket- just my
nature.  But...I would accept it as a gift from a family memberhint,
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I actually really like the Brompton one, tried it on in a shop and loved
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[RBW] fs: Schwalbe - Big Apples tires - 26" x 2.15" (TWO/PAIR!)

[Eric]

fs: a pair of Schwalbe Big Apples 26x2.15", minimal wear, asking $50 
shipped.

I purchased these used off the RBW group awhile back but I've never ridden 
them and they've just collected dust. Excellent condition too so let's get 
'em to a new home! 

Thanks!

- Eric

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[RBW] Re: fs: Marathon Schwalbe Big Apple HS430 wire - 700x50 (PAIR/NEW!)

[Eric]

 SOLD!

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[RBW] Re: Who pre ordered an English Jacket?

[wjspencer]

Has anyone looked at the price of a Hilltrek Ventile jacket? This is very 
reasonably priced regardless of where it is made. The type of cotton used 
to make this type of material is rare and therefore pricey. I think we all 
know that Rivendell doesn't mark up the items they have made an 
unreasonable amount. I tried a prototype in 2012 which was wonderful and 
they say this one is even better. I can't wait. I'll post a review next 
week when I receive it.

Bill in Rickville

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:22:14 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I think the new English Jacket looks pretty swank.  Who is getting one 
> from the pre-sale?  
>
> I'm definitely going to try one on at the Grand Opening Party in 
> December.  
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[RBW] Re: FS: Pacenti PL23 650b rims & Grand Bois Hetre EL tires

[ColonelJLloyd]

$130/pair or $70 each for the rims. 

$160 shipped for the tires and 2 new Q Tubes Super Light tubes. 

$40 plus shipping for a brand new pair of VO 52mm Zeppelin fenders and 
hardware. 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for gloves below 35 degrees F?

[Howard]

x2 on Lobster gloves. I have an old pair (bought at REI around 1995) and 
usually wear them whenever the temp is below 45 F. The coldest was during a 
commute last winter, temps were in the mid-20s and they still worked pretty 
well.

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:31:58 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> I have a pair of Pearl Izumi Lobster gloves that work well when its cold. 
> The cross between gloves and mittens is nice. When I was in SE Mich. they 
> were really good. Since I have been in the SF bay area I virtually never 
> use them.
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:58:41 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Looking for gloves and thought I would see what you all use.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Mark Reimer]

Ryan 'from Winnipeg'? Had no idea there were more Winnipeggers on this 
board, and an owner of multiple Riv's and an XO-1 to boot!? Can only assume 
we've ridden past each other a few times at some point. 

For me - larger tires absolutely. Went from 23's to 33 Jack Browns, what a 
revelation.
Baskets? Absolutely! No more sweaty back for me
Leather saddles, wool, bells, s240 (going on one tonight, and it's -30C 
with the windchill already!), and lugged steel are also definitely 
'working' for me...

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:33:10 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:
>
> Great question
>  
>  
> Yes
> Consistent adherence to versatility,durability  and quality. Beautifully 
> crafted,rugged frames that ride wonderfully and have a classic appeal
> Wider tires are really good
> Fenders. They make riding in rain so much better. Everyone should have at 
> least 1 fendered bike
> Moustache and Noodle bars
> NITTO
> Non-racer philosophy
> Twining
> Beeswax
> Really intelligent product selection
> Making Mixte and lady's framesgetting more people on bikes
> Not so much
> Totally retention-free pedals. In the early 90's I went clipless for a 
> while.  In 1999 I bought 2 pairs of those lovely Sidi touring shoes...and I 
> like the MKS track style pedals with toe clips and straps. And there I 
> stand.
> Kickstands. Maybe more for aesthetic reasons...even when I did loaded 
> touring I still managed to find a way to securely prop my bike against 
> something
> Shellac
> 650 wheels...is this a solution looking for a problem? Not sure. Anyway , 
> 650B is sort of difficult to source locally in Winnipeg
> Festooning a really , really good-looking bike with bags and baskets...but 
> to be fair...I don't do S24s and don't care much for camping anymore. Don't 
> sleep well. Also prefer commuting on my less glamorous X0-1 and old 
> Peugeot...little less attractive to thieves. And if I did grocery-getting, 
> I'd use a less fancy bike
> Dual top tubes, although, for the larger sizes and Rivendell's emphasis on 
> practicality and durability, I understand why they did this.
>  
> All in all, I love the company, love my Rivs, and enjoy the discussion on 
> this group and internet-bob
>  
> Cheers...Ryan in Winnipeg
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:05:09 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: 
>
>>  Thought hearing from you all would make an interesting thread.
>> I have been enjoying my Sam for a long time now.
>> I call these RBW ideas because that is where I first heard about them 
>> (thought I know they have been around for years, just not embraced so much 
>> these days). I was an alu/composite race bike kinda rider until I started 
>> to fear carbon failures and wanted to look into an all metal bike.
>>  
>> I'll start:
>>  
>> *RBW ideas that worked for me:*
>> *1. Wider tires.* This has made a huge diff for my quality of riding. I 
>> used to own a typical race bike with 700 x 25, 120psi tires.
>> It was great to ride, but hard to handle as it banged and bounced and 
>> tires got yanked around on gravelly, busted up shoulders. Not to mention 
>> the fear of getting the narrow tires caught in longitudinal road cracks.
>> Got my Rivendell bikes and have used 32mm-40mm ~55psi tires on them and 
>> what a difference.
>> No more bike bouncing. Slight rumbling and I am through the rough road 
>> parts. Tires stay on their straight course through the bad patches and I 
>> feel so much safer. Cush to boot. Very stable handling.
>> I cannot see myself ever going back to anything narrower than 32mm wide 
>> tires. They seem dangerous to me now.
>> *2. Fenders.* I never woulda dreamed of putting these on a bike in the 
>> past. But now I don't see riding without them making any sense to me. It is 
>> just good to be prepared and not have to worry about grunging up the bike 
>> with the street scum. They look great to boot, and are standard equipment 
>> on my bikes. I love the ultra coverage of the longboards.
>> *3. Leather saddles.* No more butt pain. yay! What a smooth surface to 
>> sit on. I did have a little break in for a coupla weeks, but another dab o' 
>> proofhide broke her in and now its great.
>> *4. Steel bike/lugs/cream headtubes/metal head badges.* Such a stable 
>> ride, beautiful to look at, and no worries about "did I tension that bolt 
>> 1nM too far?". Feels good to not have to wonder about failures. The lugs 
>> and paint jobs are intoxicating.
>> *5. Smaller chainrings/bigger cassettes/Triples.* Healthiest pedaling I 
>> have ever felt in my legs. The Sugino toothcounts work great for my neck of 
>> the woods. I would never want to go back to 39-52 or 30-40-54 cranks again. 
>> And, I have discovered that compact cranksets aren't for me. I love triples.
>> *6. Big Saddle bags.* I love that I can carry lunch, repair 
>> kits/tools and a jacket in my Carradice, etc. So convenient. No more 
>> wondering how will I fit everything into my small nylon wedge.
>> *7. Cotton tape/twine and shellac.* I balked at the idea as jus

Re: [RBW] Re: You Know You're Addicted to Rivendell When . . .

[Cecily Walker]

When you look through every single one of Bob's unboxing/assembling photos 
with a smile on your face, even though you don't have a Hunqapillar. :-D

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 7:54:08 PM UTC-8, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> When you've got more than one of these sorts of photos in your 
> collection...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/8058482320/in/set-72157631702162963/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgps-bob/4171099414/in/set-72157622964863214/
>
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Mike >wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, November 23, 2013 3:09:56 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
>>>
>>> The first step toward recovery is recognizing you have a problem. Grin. 
>>>  
>>>
>>  
>> I'd say I'm at the pre-contemplation stage which is defined as:
>>  
>> Avoidance. That is, not seeing a problem behavior or not considering 
>> change. 
>>  
>> --mike
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Re: [RBW] fs: Schwalbe - Big Apples tires - 26" x 2.15" (TWO/PAIR!)

[Patrick Moore]

Eric -- no cash now, but if you still have them in a month, and care to
tell me, AND if I have the cash then, I'll buy them for my daughter's bike.


On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Eric  wrote:

> fs: a pair of Schwalbe Big Apples 26x2.15", minimal wear, asking $50
> shipped.
>
> I purchased these used off the RBW group awhile back but I've never ridden
> them and they've just collected dust. Excellent condition too so let's get
> 'em to a new home!
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Eric
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Re: [RBW] Late to the Jacket Party

[Patrick Moore]

I'm not in the market for one, and frankly I'd rather wear more
conventional cycling clothing; BUT!:

IF I were commuting regularly as I did pre-2008, and IF this jacket is
superior to, say, my Patagonia stretch knit that blocks wind but not sweat
(rain for me is really a non-issue), I THINK I could justify the almost
$450 price.

The Patagonia jacket -- a slim fitting blouse style with cycling tail --
works very well, though.

However, I could only wear it on my expensive, vanity Riv Customs.

(I am kidding, idiots!)


On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Rich Powers  wrote:

> I know many could not sleep until I shared my jacket opinion! :-)
>
> I could not sleep spending that kind of money on a riv jacket- just my
> nature.  But...I would accept it as a gift from a family memberhint,
> hint.
>
> I actually really like the Brompton one, tried it on in a shop and loved
> it. Actually felt I could wear the thing and not feel too weird.
>
> Check it out here...
>
>
> http://www.nycewheels.com/brompton-oratory-jacket.html
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[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

The Quickbeam is still my preferred bike.  Simple, predictable, 
comfortable.  At times challenging and painful.  But always a consistent 
yardstick.  Always patient and encouraging when I'm lacking. 

You can set it up a myriad of ways - change and add gearing options. 

All that being said, it's definitely a niche within the narrow-but-widening 
niche of Rivendell ride enthusiasts. Way back when the Coleman Green QB's 
were announced and sold out, I think it was done so with the knowledge that 
it would always be a bicycle with more limited demand. The SO was just the 
same model with a different manufacturing facility (Taiwan rather than 
Panasonic).  There were never consistent offerings of the QB - they were 
always limited run machines.   No reason to expect the SO to continue that.

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[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Uh that would be:

   No reason to expect the SO _NOT_ to continue that.

>
> - Jim / cyclofiend / cyclofi...@gmail.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Did Cavemen Eat Yams?

[Patrick Moore]

I'll agree to this. Bringing in "cavemen" is explaining the obscure by the
conjectural.

Giving in shamelessly to the temptation to offer another, hardly on topic,
topic, I've been having fun reading *1491*, the second edition. Apparently
corn as the Indians knew it (let along our modern hybrids) took years of
deliberate modification, since the ancestral teosinte (the author says) is
hardly a food plant -- which raises obvious questions of motive 

Anyway, no caveman can ride *my* bikes.

Patrick Moore, delightedly eating a guacamole of tomatoes and avocados and
old world onions on real, New Mexican tortilla chips during Advent-lent in
ABQ, NM.


On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>  "Look, the diet itself is sound; it’s the philosophy that’s bullshit.
> Eat what you want. Just leave the damn cavemen out of it.”
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Re: [RBW] Riv-ish bike shop in Atlanta, GA?

[Patrick Moore]

Does anyone remember the Decatur shop that had the big bike effigy propped
up above the sign? I never visited, but I remember it well. Is the shop
still there?


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Cecily Walker wrote:

> I'll be visiting family in Atlanta next week for US Thanksgiving. A friend
> of mine owns a bike shop here in Vancouver, but I'd like to find a Riv-ish
> bike shop in the Atlanta area that might possibly have shop swag for sale.
> Anyone know of such a place?  Thanks!
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[RBW] Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[Paul Germain]

There's not nearly enough Right Coast content here, so I wanted to chime in 
with the story this trip on my Sam up and down the Delaware (River) Water Gap 
between upper NJ & PA. (The river forms the state boundary.) 


Early this past spring, Joan Oppel posted pics of her trip in the Water Gap 
with a group of eastern Riv owners that included Steve Palincsar, Tom Robinson 
and others at the annual Cirque du Cylisme in Leesburg, VA. Though I'm 7 hours 
away from upper PA, down in balmy Richmond, VA, I could not erase the thought 
of getting to experience that area for myself. Life (and a number of other 
rides) got in the way and I found 2013 waning, so decided to go for it, driving 
up on a Tues. so I could ride the trip Wed. & Thurs.


Temps were in the mid-30's to mid-40's with a reading of 15 degrees on my bike 
computer on day two when I crawled out of the tent. As ya'll say, pictures 
prove it happened - text describing the trip is on the Flickr set:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157637953125903/


I can recommend this area for a near car-free trip. This PDF map of the Water 
Gap takes a few seconds to load, but gives an excellent idea of the area:


http://hfc.nps.gov/carto/PDF/DEWAmap1.pdf


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[RBW] Caveman ketchup

[Patrick Moore]

Not too off topic, I hope, given all the "paelo" stuff.

Can anyone recommend a ketchup that is not hugely over-sweetened like
Heinz's typical, with all its corn syrup? I don't care about the carbs, I
just very much dislike the way the sugar masks the flavor.

I've found Westbrae here:

http://www6.netrition.com/westbrae_veggie_ketchup.html

at a reasonable price (not paying $7.50 for Dean and DeLuca), but how does
it *taste*?

Or can someone take me to a reliable (and personally tested, if
recommended) recipe?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup

[Bill Lindsay]

paelo indeed.  good one!  I had a very good seafood "paelo" in Llanes, 
Spain. 

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:26:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Not too off topic, I hope, given all the "paelo" stuff.
>
> Can anyone recommend a ketchup that is not hugely over-sweetened like 
> Heinz's typical, with all its corn syrup? I don't care about the carbs, I 
> just very much dislike the way the sugar masks the flavor.
>
> I've found Westbrae here:
>
> http://www6.netrition.com/westbrae_veggie_ketchup.html
>
> at a reasonable price (not paying $7.50 for Dean and DeLuca), but how does 
> it *taste*?
>
> Or can someone take me to a reliable (and personally tested, if 
> recommended) recipe?
>
> Thanks.
>
> (And what wine goes best with ketchup?)
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis (51cm and 58cm) and VO Campeur in Montreal

[Bill Lindsay]

The 58 is pretty tempting, even with only a flirt in lieu of an actual 
pricetag.  

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:06:22 AM UTC-8, Eugene wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> A dear friend has a few nice bikes up for sale in Montreal. They are all 
> in superb condition. I can help facilitate to Toronto.
>
> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4164897917.html
>
> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4197239757.html
>
> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4198826935.html
>
> All the best,
> Eugene
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[RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup

[Deacon Patrick]

We use Muir Glen Organic, which still has more sugar than we'd like, but 
our homemade attempts have been unsatisfactory. We also use it as the base 
for our BBQ.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:26:19 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Not too off topic, I hope, given all the "paelo" stuff.
>
> Can anyone recommend a ketchup that is not hugely over-sweetened like 
> Heinz's typical, with all its corn syrup? I don't care about the carbs, I 
> just very much dislike the way the sugar masks the flavor.
>
> I've found Westbrae here:
>
> http://www6.netrition.com/westbrae_veggie_ketchup.html
>
> at a reasonable price (not paying $7.50 for Dean and DeLuca), but how does 
> it *taste*?
>
> Or can someone take me to a reliable (and personally tested, if 
> recommended) recipe?
>
> Thanks.
>
> (And what wine goes best with ketchup?)
>
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[RBW] Re: OT but brings a tear to my eye

[hsmitham]

Dear Tom,

Thank you for sharing such a heartfelt story...we so often see these people 
and think lost cause it goes to show a bit of caring can change a life. I 
know you and your lovely wife help how you can my friend. As Montclair 
Bobby said definitely on topic. Happy Thanksgiving.

~Hugh

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:26:32 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Redemption
>
> With best regards
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[Michael]

>
>
> Thanks Paul!  Looks like a nice ride!
>
 
I wonder if one can ride the whole Appalacian trail. I saw that picture of 
that sign "Maine to Georgia". Sounds like east coast camping/riding. 

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[RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup

[hsmitham]

Patrick,

Don't know if you have Trader Joe's out there but they sell an organic 
ketchup that has 2 grams of sugar per table spoon like Deacon I'd like none.

~Hugh

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:26:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Not too off topic, I hope, given all the "paelo" stuff.
>
> Can anyone recommend a ketchup that is not hugely over-sweetened like 
> Heinz's typical, with all its corn syrup? I don't care about the carbs, I 
> just very much dislike the way the sugar masks the flavor.
>
> I've found Westbrae here:
>
> http://www6.netrition.com/westbrae_veggie_ketchup.html
>
> at a reasonable price (not paying $7.50 for Dean and DeLuca), but how does 
> it *taste*?
>
> Or can someone take me to a reliable (and personally tested, if 
> recommended) recipe?
>
> Thanks.
>
> (And what wine goes best with ketchup?)
>
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[RBW] 11-24-13 - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

Another ride to Napa, this time on my Riv Road:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157638022486764/



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[RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup

[sameness]

>
> (And what wine goes best with ketchup?)


Might I suggest a nice 57 varietal?

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

>  

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[RBW] Re: You Know You're Addicted to Rivendell When . . .

[hsmitham]

When you think everyone is a potential Rivendell rider and needs to hear 
the gospel. Kidding! It's really those on uncomfortable looking bikes 
holding a grimace. 

~Hugh

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 3:08:38 PM UTC-8, Evan wrote:
>
> You stay up until 1am, on a weeknight, to read every single word of the 
> catalogue.
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[RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[WETH]

Paul,
Great pictures to view and write-up to read on a cold November night.
Thanks,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[Deacon Patrick]

Great looking trip!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:02:35 PM UTC-7, BIKIE46 wrote:
>
>  There's not nearly enough Right Coast content here, so I wanted to chime 
> in with the story this trip on my Sam up and down the Delaware (River) 
> Water Gap between upper NJ & PA. (The river forms the state boundary.)  
>
>  Early this past spring, Joan Oppel posted pics of her trip in the Water 
> Gap with a group of eastern Riv owners that included Steve Palincsar, Tom 
> Robinson and others at the annual Cirque du Cylisme in Leesburg, VA. Though 
> I'm 7 hours away from upper PA, down in balmy Richmond, VA, I could not 
> erase the thought of getting to experience that area for myself. Life (and 
> a number of other rides) got in the way and I found 2013 waning, so decided 
> to go for it, driving up on a Tues. so I could ride the trip Wed. & Thurs.
>
>  Temps were in the mid-30's to mid-40's with a reading of 15 degrees on 
> my bike computer on day two when I crawled out of the tent. As ya'll say, 
> pictures prove it happened - text describing the trip is on the Flickr set:
>
>  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157637953125903/
>
>  I can recommend this area for a near car-free trip. This PDF map of the 
> Water Gap takes a few seconds to load, but gives an excellent idea of the 
> area:
>
>  
> http://hfc.nps.gov/carto/PDF/DEWAmap1.pdf
>
> Paul Germain
>  Midlothian, Va.
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RE: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Larry Powers]

My QB is my favorite bike.  When I am in shape and the bike is unloaded there 
is to hill I can't climb with one gear.  Also for winter commuting there is 
much less maintenance.

Larry Powers 

 

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 07:26:53 -0800
From: bulldog...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

Chris, I think you did a great job of answering your own question, with the 
final business answer plugged in by Bill.  For me it was always Why QB/SO?  Of 
course I have 8-degree grades to get to my house.  Kind of an aside, but it 
always makes me sizzle when I see a once fine steel road bike emasculated to a 
single (though always with nice paint) sitting in the obscure corner of a bike 
shop.  

On Friday, November 22, 2013 10:27:57 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:another 
layer of economics is that they have to pay for a lot of frames at once.  
whenever they have a load of betty foys or hillbornes coming in they have to 
lay out like $30k.  perhaps the cumulative demand for them cant justify that.  




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RE: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Larry Powers]

I always thought the 2 speed design of the QB was a good idea.  But for my 
riding I have never needed it.

Larry Powers 

 

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 10:13:02 -0800
From: ashtab...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

I am loving my 66cm orange QuickBeam. I have a DOS ENO freewheel on one side, 
and a fixed cog on the other. With JackBrowns and Nitto BullMoose bars, it 
brings smiles to all who see it, and to me especially when I ride it. But I 
also understand RBW's economics on this, it was an expensive frame, much the 
same price as a road frame with rear attachment point for a derailleur. Maybe 
there's a future frame coming that will have an attachment for shifting as well 
as semi-horizontal rear forks to allow for wheelbase adjustment.

- Andrew, Berkeley





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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[Anne Paulson]

Most of the Appalachian Trail does not allow bikes.

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Paul!  Looks like a nice ride!
>
>
> I wonder if one can ride the whole Appalacian trail. I saw that picture of
> that sign "Maine to Georgia". Sounds like east coast camping/riding.
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[RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup

[TM]

This one is pretty good: 
http://www.stevespaleogoods.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Chef-Ketchup

I'm also a big fan of their PaleoKits (jerky and nuts), which are great meals 
for frequent flyers trying to avoid airport meals.

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Re: [RBW] Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[Anne Paulson]

Great looking trip. I'm originally from northern New Jersey, and would
love to ride that area again some time. Not, though, in November, at
least for camping... b.

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Paul Germain  wrote:
> There's not nearly enough Right Coast content here, so I wanted to chime in
> with the story this trip on my Sam up and down the Delaware (River) Water
> Gap between upper NJ & PA. (The river forms the state boundary.)
>
> Early this past spring, Joan Oppel posted pics of her trip in the Water Gap
> with a group of eastern Riv owners that included Steve Palincsar, Tom
> Robinson and others at the annual Cirque du Cylisme in Leesburg, VA. Though
> I'm 7 hours away from upper PA, down in balmy Richmond, VA, I could not
> erase the thought of getting to experience that area for myself. Life (and a
> number of other rides) got in the way and I found 2013 waning, so decided to
> go for it, driving up on a Tues. so I could ride the trip Wed. & Thurs.
>
> Temps were in the mid-30's to mid-40's with a reading of 15 degrees on my
> bike computer on day two when I crawled out of the tent. As ya'll say,
> pictures prove it happened - text describing the trip is on the Flickr set:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157637953125903/
>
> I can recommend this area for a near car-free trip. This PDF map of the
> Water Gap takes a few seconds to load, but gives an excellent idea of the
> area:
>
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Re: [RBW] Caveman ketchup

[Tim McNamara]

On Nov 24, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Or can someone take me to a reliable (and personally tested, if recommended) 
> recipe?

My wife took up canning last year and made a tomato jam that is very good as a 
ketchup sort of thing as well as being a nice change of pace from sweet jams 
and jellies.  She found the recipe on the foodinjars.(com, I think) website.

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[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Will]

I think they went away because the world has tens of thousands of decent 
1970s and 1980s 531 lugged, butted, frames with horizontal rear drop outs. 
Most have road-sport geometry (73 degree seat tubes), many have clearance 
for 32mm tires. You can make a single speed, a very good one, for the price 
of a rear wheel. 



On Friday, November 22, 2013 9:09:49 PM UTC-6, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone knew why these bikes are no longer made. They 
> seem very popular and the people who have one seem very pleased. I have 
> heard several state it is their favorite bike. I assume that the QB went 
> away due to The Lord of the Rings name and became the SO- but why no more 
> SO? 
>
> I assume it was too much of a niche product and too expensive. In other 
> words, not enough people willing to pay the better part of $2,000 for a 
> bike with one (or four) gears. I imagine it must cost as much to make a Sam 
> as a SO but people aren't willing to pay as much for the SO. It seemed to 
> me like even the description of the SO on Riv.com was a little apologetic 
> about the price. 
>
> Anyone know the story here? Willing to speculate? Are they gone for good?
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis (51cm and 58cm) and VO Campeur in Montreal

[dougP]

Some lucky couple could have one seriously Merry Christmas.  Kinda makes 
you wonder what he's hanging onto?  

dougP

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:06:22 AM UTC-8, Eugene wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> A dear friend has a few nice bikes up for sale in Montreal. They are all 
> in superb condition. I can help facilitate to Toronto.
>
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>
> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4197239757.html
>
> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4198826935.html
>
> All the best,
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[RBW] Re: 11-24-13 - a set on Flickr

[dougP]

Thanks Eric.  Looks like a day well spent.  

dougP

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:14:39 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Another ride to Napa, this time on my Riv Road:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157638022486764/
>
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[RBW] Re: 11-24-13 - a set on Flickr

[Deacon Patrick]

Great looking barn. I rode a mile before deciding the black ice risk was 
too much and heading back to my barn. Grin. I did get a 5k run in on the 
lowland trail though.

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>
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[RBW] Re: Some 650b conversion pics

[dougP]

Jim:

So you took a 700c wheeled bike & converted to 650b?  Ignoring the tires 
for the moment, doesn't that lower everything 19 mm?  What effect does it 
have on the handling?  I've read about picking a wheel size & designing a 
bike around that, so this seems a radical change.  OTH, people have been 
converting 80s era bikes to 650 with good result.  How did you know this 
was going to work?  

dougP

On Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:33:39 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/110759113894226395434/albums/5948811384486030177
>
> Hopefully link works.  Set to public.
>
> Cream SKS Long boards are on the way from Rivendell.  But the rest of it 
> is mostly complete.  Yes, I realize the saddle looks terrible, but it still 
> works ;)
>
> New Components
> Handspun 650b wheelset synergy/deore LX, front dynohub
> 11-30 HG50 cassette 9sp
> SRAM PC971 chain
> Sugino XD600 46-36-26
> UN-55 bottom bracket 68x113
> DuraAce BS77 9 speed bar ends
> Tektro R559 brakes
> VP Pedals
> Kneesavers
> Bar tape
> Cables
>
> Reused
> Frame
> Fork
> Handlebars
> Tektro brake levers
> Stem
> Saddle
> Seatpost
> Campy Chorus polished rear derailer
> Campy Racing -T polished front derailer
> Electronic goodies (not mounted in pics)
> Topeak Trunk bag (not mounted in pics)
> Bento bag
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Re: [RBW] Half Mitts

[Aaron Young]

'Nother update:  if you have a thumbed-half mitt, and you want a thumbless,
you can easily tuck the thumb between the back of the hand and the mitt.
 Easy as pie, and its there when the temp. drops.

-Aaron "Thumb-Tuck-Maneuver" Young
The Dalles, OR


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Years ago I owned a very nice pair of winter gloves that were designed as
> fingerless cycling gloves with long gauntlets with a flip-over mitten cover
> for the fingers. The thumb remained full-length-covered.
>
> A very sensible design, IMO, tho' it too suffered from the mitten defect
> of difficult operation of dt or other skinny shift levers.
>
> Does anyone still make these?
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Update:
>>
>> Went on a short ride in low 40's-degrees weathers, plus some winds, so
>> temps at the lowest in upper 30's perhaps.  I used the new half-mitts with
>> the thumb.  I was surprised at how bulky the thumb felt, and it was a bit
>> awkward to get the thumb out.  The half mitts are nice because you can
>> quickly remove your fingers, but the full thumb has to be pulled off
>> separately just like a regular glove.  Its a small thing, and in really
>> cold weather probably would be worth it, but on an only mildly cold ride, I
>> think I'll stick with the old style, thumbless half-mitts.
>>
>> I think I would prefer a half-thumb, instead of a full thumb cover,
>> though.  Then it would cover the tip of the thumb and the back (dorsal
>> side), but leave the palmar open - just like the rest of the mitt.
>>
>> -Aaron Young
>> The Dalles, OR
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I used a thumbless pair through winter, and with a light liner type
>>> glove (with a thumb) they were just fine for my short commute.
>>>
>>> My wife knitted me some custom wool gloves based on a design I suggested
>>> that complement the half mitts nicely.  They are fingerless and thumbless,
>>> but the thumb has a convertible cap that can fold down to cover the thumb
>>> from the cold when needed.  They are a little goofy, but worked really well
>>> for me.  The nice thing is everything is covered, but I could easily
>>> uncover the tips of all finger and even thumb if I needed.
>>>
>>> I recently bought a thumbed paid of half mitts, but haven't had the
>>> need to use them yet.  They seem a bit bulkier than the thumbless versions
>>> because of the thumbs of course, but also they are fuzzier on the inside
>>> than the older version - the material is different.  They will probably be
>>> better for colder temps with the extra fuzz in there.
>>>
>>> Aaron "air conditioned fingertips" Young
>>> The Dalles, OR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013, Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 Half baked, or well done?
 I got a pair in my last
 order, and they are working great for this fall transition weather. During
 the day, I can go bare handed, but sometimes in the late afternoons or
 evenings it gets chilly for bare hands. These half mitts are light, pack
 easily anywhere and warm up your hands when it gets too chilly. I am
 commuting in them now and we will see how cold it can be for them to stay
 functional. When they are not doing the job, I might try a pair of light
 gloves under them instead of just switching to heavier gloves. Layering,
 all about the layering.

 I am so glad they added the thumbs.

 I wish they would put a reflective strip on the back for signalling,
 etc... as cold weather often goes together with dark.

 Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some 650b conversion pics

[Patrick Moore]

Isn't the sole point of this conversion exercise that you can use *fatter*
tires, and significantly fatter tires? So, while you might lose some bb
height, you won't lose nearly the whole 19 mm ?

A 622X23 mm tire is about 26 1/2" in diameter. A 559 X 1" tire is about 24"
in diameter. A 559X35 mm tire is about 25" in diameter. A 559 X 50 tire is
about 26" in diameter. I cite these only as being directly or indirectly
relevant sizes known to me by experience.

Thus, if you went from a 700C X 25 to a 650B X 42, which seems common,
wouldn't you gain back some 10 to 15 mm?




On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Jim:
>
> So you took a 700c wheeled bike & converted to 650b?  Ignoring the tires
> for the moment, doesn't that lower everything 19 mm?  What effect does it
> have on the handling?  I've read about picking a wheel size & designing a
> bike around that, so this seems a radical change.  OTH, people have been
> converting 80s era bikes to 650 with good result.  How did you know this
> was going to work?
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:33:39 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/photos/110759113894226395434/
>> albums/5948811384486030177
>>
>> Hopefully link works.  Set to public.
>>
>> Cream SKS Long boards are on the way from Rivendell.  But the rest of it
>> is mostly complete.  Yes, I realize the saddle looks terrible, but it still
>> works ;)
>>
>> New Components
>> Handspun 650b wheelset synergy/deore LX, front dynohub
>> 11-30 HG50 cassette 9sp
>> SRAM PC971 chain
>> Sugino XD600 46-36-26
>> UN-55 bottom bracket 68x113
>> DuraAce BS77 9 speed bar ends
>> Tektro R559 brakes
>> VP Pedals
>> Kneesavers
>> Bar tape
>> Cables
>>
>> Reused
>> Frame
>> Fork
>> Handlebars
>> Tektro brake levers
>> Stem
>> Saddle
>> Seatpost
>> Campy Chorus polished rear derailer
>> Campy Racing -T polished front derailer
>> Electronic goodies (not mounted in pics)
>> Topeak Trunk bag (not mounted in pics)
>> Bento bag
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some 650b conversion pics

[Jim Cloud]

The early models of the Rivendell Road were designed for a 700x28c tire 
size,  I don't believe you would be able to fit a 650x42b size tire between 
the chainstays of those particular bikes (I also own an original 1996 model 
of the Road Standard).  

I don't, however, see a post by the OP that indicates what is the tire size 
that he fitted to his bike.  The tread pattern, however, looks like one 
used by RIvendell.  The only tire that Rivendell currently sells in the 
650b size that's a Rivendell design is the Maxy Fasty which is a 650Bx33.5 
size.

Jim

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 6:29:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Isn't the sole point of this conversion exercise that you can use *fatter* 
> tires, and significantly fatter tires? So, while you might lose some bb 
> height, you won't lose nearly the whole 19 mm ?
>
> A 622X23 mm tire is about 26 1/2" in diameter. A 559 X 1" tire is about 
> 24" in diameter. A 559X35 mm tire is about 25" in diameter. A 559 X 50 tire 
> is about 26" in diameter. I cite these only as being directly or indirectly 
> relevant sizes known to me by experience.
>
> Thus, if you went from a 700C X 25 to a 650B X 42, which seems common, 
> wouldn't you gain back some 10 to 15 mm?
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM, dougP >wrote:
>
>> Jim:
>>
>> So you took a 700c wheeled bike & converted to 650b?  Ignoring the tires 
>> for the moment, doesn't that lower everything 19 mm?  What effect does it 
>> have on the handling?  I've read about picking a wheel size & designing a 
>> bike around that, so this seems a radical change.  OTH, people have been 
>> converting 80s era bikes to 650 with good result.  How did you know this 
>> was going to work?  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:33:39 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> https://plus.google.com/photos/110759113894226395434/
>>> albums/5948811384486030177
>>>
>>> Hopefully link works.  Set to public.
>>>
>>> Cream SKS Long boards are on the way from Rivendell.  But the rest of it 
>>> is mostly complete.  Yes, I realize the saddle looks terrible, but it still 
>>> works ;)
>>>
>>> New Components
>>> Handspun 650b wheelset synergy/deore LX, front dynohub
>>> 11-30 HG50 cassette 9sp
>>> SRAM PC971 chain
>>> Sugino XD600 46-36-26
>>> UN-55 bottom bracket 68x113
>>> DuraAce BS77 9 speed bar ends
>>> Tektro R559 brakes
>>> VP Pedals
>>> Kneesavers
>>> Bar tape
>>> Cables
>>>
>>> Reused
>>> Frame
>>> Fork
>>> Handlebars
>>> Tektro brake levers
>>> Stem
>>> Saddle
>>> Seatpost
>>> Campy Chorus polished rear derailer
>>> Campy Racing -T polished front derailer
>>> Electronic goodies (not mounted in pics)
>>> Topeak Trunk bag (not mounted in pics)
>>> Bento bag
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Re: [RBW] 11-24-13 - a set on Flickr

[Patrick Moore]

Between Eric and Deacon and others, we have a good list portfolio of well
done on- and off-road photos.


On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Another ride to Napa, this time on my Riv Road:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157638022486764/
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis (51cm and 58cm) and VO Campeur in Montreal

[Bill Lindsay]

He said he's either keeping the 58 'tlantis or the VO Campeur, whichever 
one doesn't sell.  

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:13:08 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> Some lucky couple could have one seriously Merry Christmas.  Kinda makes 
> you wonder what he's hanging onto?  
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:06:22 AM UTC-8, Eugene wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> A dear friend has a few nice bikes up for sale in Montreal. They are all 
>> in superb condition. I can help facilitate to Toronto.
>>
>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4164897917.html
>>
>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4197239757.html
>>
>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4198826935.html
>>
>> All the best,
>> Eugene
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some 650b conversion pics

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/24/2013 09:12 PM, Jim Cloud wrote:
The early models of the Rivendell Road were designed for a 700x28c 
tire size,  I don't believe you would be able to fit a 650x42b size 
tire between the chainstays of those particular bikes (I also own an 
original 1996 model of the Road Standard).


Don't know about a 42mm tire, but the waterford-era Riv Road is on the 
list of known-to-work conversions on the freewebs 650B site:

http://650b.webs.com/conversions.htm


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis (51cm and 58cm) and VO Campeur in Montreal

[cyclotourist]

What, what, what!

That's sacrilege according to my world-view!

On 11/24/13, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> He said he's either keeping the 58 'tlantis or the VO Campeur, whichever
> one doesn't sell.
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:13:08 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Some lucky couple could have one seriously Merry Christmas.  Kinda makes
>> you wonder what he's hanging onto?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:06:22 AM UTC-8, Eugene wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> A dear friend has a few nice bikes up for sale in Montreal. They are all
>>>
>>> in superb condition. I can help facilitate to Toronto.
>>>
>>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4164897917.html
>>>
>>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4197239757.html
>>>
>>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4198826935.html
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Eugene
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT but brings a tear to my eye

[Tom Virgil]

Dear Hugh,

Thank you for the kind words.  Indeed, my dear wife, Jahan, is my 
inspiration and motivator for caring.  The current plan is do some serving 
at Father Joe's in the early AM and return home for a mostly pre-prepared 
Thanksgiving meal with family at home.  We are allowing our daughters to 
get things warmed up on the home front.  They will pull it off.

We will be taking something to our "fool on the hill", Alejandro.   For 
those of you who were not on our ride, this is a homeless Mexican man in 
our area who plies a huge cart of belongings up and down Del Mar Heights 
and Carmel Valley Roads each day.  He mostly lives out in the weeds and 
manages to defy or slip by any ministrations from social services. or any 
other authorities.  I try and talk to him from time to time, but my Spanish 
as a second language and the demons that plague him mostly get in the way. 
 I have always thought it is a matter of time before this ends for him, but 
he keeps at it.  It's like he is on a mission of some sort.  I can get a 
hearty "?Hola, como seta?" and a laugh out of him as he sees this foolish 
American guy riding a bike when he owns perfectly good cars.

I hope you especially, and all of the Rivsters, have a blessed, wonderful 
Thanksgiving.  We are fortunate,to have these cool bikes, ride though and 
get to great places, and have the opportunity to get to know each other and 
grow relationships.  That has been new for me this year and I acknowledge 
it.

Best Regards,

Tom



On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:05:27 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Dear Tom,
>
> Thank you for sharing such a heartfelt story...we so often see these 
> people and think lost cause it goes to show a bit of caring can change a 
> life. I know you and your lovely wife help how you can my friend. As 
> Montclair Bobby said definitely on topic. Happy Thanksgiving.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2013 8:26:32 PM UTC-8, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> Redemption
>>
>> With best regards
>>
>> Tom
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Caveman ketchup

[cyclotourist]

Daddy's is the way to go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daddies
Don't know about the sugar content, but s much better than ketchup.

http://www.britishfooddepot.com/Daddies-Brown-Sauce-198g-1378.htm



On 11/24/13, Tim McNamara  wrote:
>
> On Nov 24, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Or can someone take me to a reliable (and personally tested, if
>> recommended) recipe?
>
> My wife took up canning last year and made a tomato jam that is very good as
> a ketchup sort of thing as well as being a nice change of pace from sweet
> jams and jellies.  She found the recipe on the foodinjars.(com, I think)
> website.
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[RBW] Re: mechanical issues

[iamkeith]

Excuse sloppy post from phone keyboard:  ive, a couple of times found squeek at 
bb due to bb mounting threads - particularly the kind with sepparate retainer 
cups like phil.  Remove, clean threads, re-install with teflon plumbing tape , 
instead of lock-tite.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Atlantis (51cm and 58cm) and VO Campeur in Montreal

[dougP]

He'll become another one posting "wish I'd NEVER sold my Atlantis!..."

dougP

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 7:35:34 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> What, what, what! 
>
> That's sacrilege according to my world-view! 
>
> On 11/24/13, Bill Lindsay > wrote: 
> > He said he's either keeping the 58 'tlantis or the VO Campeur, whichever 
> > one doesn't sell. 
> > 
> > On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:13:08 PM UTC-8, dougP wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Some lucky couple could have one seriously Merry Christmas.  Kinda 
> makes 
> >> you wonder what he's hanging onto? 
> >> 
> >> dougP 
> >> 
> >> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 8:06:22 AM UTC-8, Eugene wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Hi All, 
> >>> 
> >>> A dear friend has a few nice bikes up for sale in Montreal. They are 
> all 
> >>> 
> >>> in superb condition. I can help facilitate to Toronto. 
> >>> 
> >>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4164897917.html
> <
> http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fmontreal.en.craigslist.ca%2Fbik%2F4164897917.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNF3Vi8YziDUiMRgrk2uu0koZgCAzw>
>  
>
> >>> 
> >>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4197239757.html
> <
> http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fmontreal.en.craigslist.ca%2Fbik%2F4197239757.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEQmMNfJ5Vwp9NMvf7p8jSgkfMT1g>
>  
>
> >>> 
> >>> http://montreal.en.craigslist.ca/bik/4198826935.html
> <
> http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fmontreal.en.craigslist.ca%2Fbik%2F4198826935.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEwTZytBwz_8qyW5fn0MdeBCkmlJQ>
>  
>
> >>> 
> >>> All the best, 
> >>> Eugene 
> >>> 
> >> 
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[RBW] Re: 11-24-13 - a set on Flickr

[Don Compton]

Eric,
 I have ridden a lot of the roads around Napa, Berryessa, and Sonoma 
County. Where is that Bar?

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:14:39 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
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> Another ride to Napa, this time on my Riv Road:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157638022486764/
>
>
>
> --Eric
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[RBW] Re: mechanical issues

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Thanks everyone,

I will try some of these fine suggestions this weekend.
Until then I will rediscover friction and headphones.

Jay

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:07:51 PM UTC+2, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> 2 annoying mechanical issues on my Sam Hillborne:
>  
>
>1. Creaking - sometimes more, sometimes less, but dramatic enough to 
>be easily heard by someone riding next to me. Tried so far - tightening 
>chain ring bolts; cleaning, oiling and finaly replacing the chain; playing 
>with FD trim until cross-eyed, check BB for play. Next steps - replace 
>pedals, replace BB even though no play, ...? 
>2. Rear shifting - indexed bar end shifter was skipping my favorite 
>cog (15T), so yesterday I replaced the cassette, thinking I had waited too 
>long to replaced the chain a few weeks ago. Now it's skipping all over in 
>indexed mode, both up and down. Tightening the cable (also recently 
>replaced) didn't help either so I switched to friction, which is of course 
>fine. I have nothing against friction, but I don't like it when things 
>don't work. In this case I'm commuting in traffic with a 40-26 in front, 
> so 
>for this terrain it's essentially a 1X9 and I want indexing. 
>
> I don't have access to a Rivish LBS anymore, and no one I know around 
> here has ever seen a bar end shifters. So it's just you guys.
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay 
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[RBW] Recommendations for a front derailer on a compact double?

[Mike On A Bike]

I just set up my Sam with a 48/34 White Industries crankset and I need a 
new derailer for this drivetrain setup. It was probably just my mechanical 
ineptitude, but I couldn't get my Campy "Mirage" derailer (that I had for a 
triple) to work with it. I've not been thrilled with the Mirage anyhow, so 
I want to get a new derailer that is ideal for a double. 

I am thinking Shimano XT would be the best bet, but there are so many 
models, I don't know which to pick (or if there is something better at a 
similar price). Can any of you running double cranksets recommend a good 
choice for me? 

Many thanks! 

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[RBW] Re: mechanical issues

[hsmitham]

+1 on the saddle creak. 

~Hugh

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 6:07:51 AM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> 2 annoying mechanical issues on my Sam Hillborne:
>  
>
>1. Creaking - sometimes more, sometimes less, but dramatic enough to 
>be easily heard by someone riding next to me. Tried so far - tightening 
>chain ring bolts; cleaning, oiling and finaly replacing the chain; playing 
>with FD trim until cross-eyed, check BB for play. Next steps - replace 
>pedals, replace BB even though no play, ...? 
>2. Rear shifting - indexed bar end shifter was skipping my favorite 
>cog (15T), so yesterday I replaced the cassette, thinking I had waited too 
>long to replaced the chain a few weeks ago. Now it's skipping all over in 
>indexed mode, both up and down. Tightening the cable (also recently 
>replaced) didn't help either so I switched to friction, which is of course 
>fine. I have nothing against friction, but I don't like it when things 
>don't work. In this case I'm commuting in traffic with a 40-26 in front, 
> so 
>for this terrain it's essentially a 1X9 and I want indexing. 
>
> I don't have access to a Rivish LBS anymore, and no one I know around 
> here has ever seen a bar end shifters. So it's just you guys.
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay 
>

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[RBW] Solo riding is good riding.

[Manuel Acosta]

Got to explore last weekend solo. 

Left late, ended early. Pretty daunting to be in the shadow of the mountain 
that you have to climb over. But
like most things in life that daunting task can be tackled one step (er.. 
pedal rotation?) at a time. 

Pictures proved that Mark Abele was right. Mitchell canyon was hard:
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjN1Fhre

-Manny "Lone Wolf" Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[grant]

Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
without accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the 
literal sense):

Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, it's 
meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
my life. 
*Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and admired 
for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy it, 
shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the bikes are 
so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured I could 
always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than ever. 
So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive (that's 
when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This time 
they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical scenario 
is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between the new 
and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird and half 
the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel dis-listened 
to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it this 
way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone of the 
SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, any kind 
of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind isn't easy 
to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal dropouts angled 
to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, like QB/SO. Two 
bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like with diff 
dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly good color, a 
good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.

Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.

Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 

If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
may be an extra year or two.

I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
sense for us right now. 

Thanks..

Grant

On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:09:49 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone knew why these bikes are no longer made. They 
> seem very popular and the people who have one seem very pleased. I have 
> heard several state it is their favorite bike. I assume that the QB went 
> away due to The Lord of the Rings name and became the SO- but why no more 
> SO? 
>
> I assume it was too much of a niche product and too expensive. In other 
> words, not enough people willing to pay the better part of $2,000 for a 
> bike with one (or four) gears. I imagine it must cost as much to make a Sam 
> as a SO but people aren't willing to pay as much for the SO. It seemed to 
> me like even the description of the SO on Riv.com was a little apologetic 
> about the price. 
>
> Anyone know the story here? Willing to speculate? Are they gone for good?
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>
>

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[RBW] FS: E6 lights, White ENO hub, Schwalbe tires, more

[Philip Williamson]

Some things I'm clearing out. All prices are shipped. Price breaks and free 
coffee for local (SF North Bay) sales. 

Silver Midge flared drop bar, new: $50
White ENO Eccentric hub, fixed free, 135mm: $100
Sturmey S3X, 700C, 120mm OLD, red hub, black rim and spokes: $150
Sachs Automatic 2-speed hub, 120mm, "blue" ratio: $200
(3) E6 Halogen light, with extra bulb: $25 each
(4) Schwalbe Big Apples, 700x60: $25 each
25" (63.5cm?) Ross, low-trail fixed gear; dynamo lighting, big front bag: 
$600 

Paypal; offers considered. 

Philip
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Re: [RBW] Re: 11-24-13 - a set on Flickr

[Eric Norris]

That's the "Gott's" restaurant at the Oxbow Market in Napa. I had a delicious 
BLT and some very tasty onion rings. 

Gott's is what was once "Taylor's Refresher." The name changed due to a dispute 
between the current owners and the founder's estate, which took back the 
Taylor's name. 

Eric N
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> On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
> 
> Eric,
>  I have ridden a lot of the roads around Napa, Berryessa, and Sonoma County. 
> Where is that Bar?
> 
>> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:14:39 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Another ride to Napa, this time on my Riv Road:
>> 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/sets/72157638022486764/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --Eric
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>> www.wheelsnorth.org
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[RBW] Re: Solo riding is good riding.

[Mike]

Dude, I was just looking at these images before I checked in on the list. 
Great set. I was almost gonna ask if it was a solo ride. It seemed like it. 
Somehow your pictures capture the solitude. But not a dour solitude, a 
whimsical solitude. As usual, your pictures are infectious. One more day of 
work and then off for three and will hopefully get out for at least one 
ride.

Pictures prove it happened? I believe.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Philip Williamson]

Whoa. There you go. 

My Quickbeam is still my prettiest, bestest bike ever. I've ridden it up 
and down steep steep singletrack, long (for me) road rides, and commuted. 
Still the bike I'll spend the most money making prettier. If I had 
unlimited funds, I'd commission a custom Riv with vertical drops, Atlantis 
clearance, and Roadeo tubing. Single it up with a White ENO hub. Lie about 
my weight and riding conditions.

A QB by any other name (and 10 years refinement) is still as sweet.

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>
> Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
> SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
> without accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the 
> literal sense):
>
> Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
> The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
> end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
> We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
> takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
> One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, 
> it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
> people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
> learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
> to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
> my life. 
> *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and 
> admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy 
> it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the bikes 
> are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured I 
> could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than ever. 
> So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
> If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
> (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This 
> time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical 
> scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between 
> the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird 
> and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel 
> dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
> So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it this 
> way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone of the 
> SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, any kind 
> of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind isn't easy 
> to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal dropouts angled 
> to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, like QB/SO. Two 
> bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like with diff 
> dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly good color, a 
> good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.
>
> Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
> me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
> have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
> by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
> divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.
>
> I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
> questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
> try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
> promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.
>
> Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 
>
> If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
> may be an extra year or two.
>
> I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
> difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
> sense for us right now. 
>
> Thanks..
>
> Grant
>
> On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:09:49 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew why these bikes are no longer made. They 
>> seem very popular and the people who have one seem very pleased. I have 
>> heard several state it is their favorite bike. I assume that the QB went 
>> away due to The Lord of the Rings name and became the SO- but why no more 
>> SO? 
>>
>> I assume it was too much of a niche product and too expensive. In other 
>> words, not enough people willing to pay the better part of $2,000 for a 
>> bike with one (or four) gears. I imagine it must cost as much to make a Sam 
>> as a SO but people aren't willing to pay as much for the SO. It seemed to 
>> me like even the description of the SO on 

[RBW] Re: Solo riding is good riding.

[Mike]

And yes, most definitely, solo riding is a very good thing.

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Re: [RBW] Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[cyclotourist]

Paul, what a great tour! Looks like everything came together without incident!


On 11/24/13, Paul Germain  wrote:
>
> There's not nearly enough Right Coast content here, so I wanted to chime in
> with the story this trip on my Sam up and down the Delaware (River) Water
> Gap between upper NJ & PA. (The river forms the state boundary.)
>
>
> Early this past spring, Joan Oppel posted pics of her trip in the Water Gap
> with a group of eastern Riv owners that included Steve Palincsar, Tom
> Robinson and others at the annual Cirque du Cylisme in Leesburg, VA. Though
> I'm 7 hours away from upper PA, down in balmy Richmond, VA, I could not
> erase the thought of getting to experience that area for myself. Life (and a
> number of other rides) got in the way and I found 2013 waning, so decided to
> go for it, driving up on a Tues. so I could ride the trip Wed. & Thurs.
>
>
> Temps were in the mid-30's to mid-40's with a reading of 15 degrees on my
> bike computer on day two when I crawled out of the tent. As ya'll say,
> pictures prove it happened - text describing the trip is on the Flickr set:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157637953125903/
>
>
> I can recommend this area for a near car-free trip. This PDF map of the
> Water Gap takes a few seconds to load, but gives an excellent idea of the
> area:
>
>
> http://hfc.nps.gov/carto/PDF/DEWAmap1.pdf
>
>
> Paul Germain
>
> Midlothian, Va.
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[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[grant]

On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:04:46 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Whoa. There you go. 
>
> My Quickbeam is still my prettiest, bestest bike ever. I've ridden it up 
> and down steep steep singletrack, long (for me) road rides, and commuted. 
> Still the bike I'll spend the most money making prettier. If I had 
> unlimited funds, I'd commission a custom Riv with vertical drops, Atlantis 
> clearance, and Roadeo tubing. Single it up with a White ENO hub. Lie about 
> my weight and riding conditions.
>
*HA! This is a crack-up. Seriously. Are we that bad? Ha! again--*- 

>
> A QB by any other name (and 10 years refinement) is still as sweet.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>>
>> Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
>> SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
>> without accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the 
>> literal sense):
>>
>> Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
>> The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
>> end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
>> We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
>> takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
>> One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, 
>> it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
>> people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
>> learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
>> to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
>> my life. 
>> *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and 
>> admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy 
>> it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the 
>> bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured 
>> I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than 
>> ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
>> If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
>> (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This 
>> time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical 
>> scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between 
>> the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird 
>> and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel 
>> dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
>> So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it 
>> this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone 
>> of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, 
>> any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind 
>> isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal 
>> dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, 
>> like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like 
>> with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly 
>> good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.
>>
>> Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
>> me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
>> have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
>> by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
>> divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.
>>
>> I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
>> questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
>> try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
>> promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.
>>
>> Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 
>>
>> If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
>> may be an extra year or two.
>>
>> I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this a 
>> difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
>> sense for us right now. 
>>
>> Thanks..
>>
>> Grant
>>
>> On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:09:49 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone knew why these bikes are no longer made. They 
>>> seem very popular and the people who have one seem very pleased. I have 
>>> heard several state it is their favorite bike. I assume that the QB went 
>>> away due to The Lord of the Rings name and became the SO- but why no more 
>>> SO? 

[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Philip Williamson]

Hahaha! That's the impression. "Sure, I'm, uh, 180, but I 'ride light.'"
"We're SEEN you. We've seen you RIDE. Straight gauge it is."

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:23:53 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:04:46 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> Whoa. There you go. 
>>
>> My Quickbeam is still my prettiest, bestest bike ever. I've ridden it up 
>> and down steep steep singletrack, long (for me) road rides, and commuted. 
>> Still the bike I'll spend the most money making prettier. If I had 
>> unlimited funds, I'd commission a custom Riv with vertical drops, Atlantis 
>> clearance, and Roadeo tubing. Single it up with a White ENO hub. Lie about 
>> my weight and riding conditions.
>>
> *HA! This is a crack-up. Seriously. Are we that bad? Ha! again--*- 
>
>>
>> A QB by any other name (and 10 years refinement) is still as sweet.
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>>>
>>> Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the 
>>> SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point 
>>> without accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the 
>>> literal sense):
>>>
>>> Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe. 
>>> The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't the 
>>> end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow killer. 
>>> We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then it 
>>> takes a year and a half or two years to sell them. 
>>> One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available, 
>>> it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and maybe 
>>> people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just 
>>> learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small tendency 
>>> to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things in 
>>> my life. 
>>> *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and 
>>> admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't buy 
>>> it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the 
>>> bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money, figured 
>>> I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than 
>>> ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a participant!
>>> If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive 
>>> (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100. This 
>>> time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical 
>>> scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference between 
>>> the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird 
>>> and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel 
>>> dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
>>> So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it 
>>> this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a clone 
>>> of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name, 
>>> any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind 
>>> isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal 
>>> dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths, 
>>> like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically Sam-like 
>>> with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly 
>>> good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.
>>>
>>> Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive 
>>> me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I can't 
>>> have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200  
>>> by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in a 
>>> divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.
>>>
>>> I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer 
>>> questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. You can 
>>> try, and I'll try, but I'm at my  physicalemotional limit, and ... can't 
>>> promise. If you send a postcard, I'll respond with a postcard.
>>>
>>> Is this all too much? Probably. Sorry again. 
>>>
>>> If nothing happens now, I think the bike will happen again later, but it 
>>> may be an extra year or two.
>>>
>>> I know there are lots of options out there. I'm not trying to make this 
>>> a difficult mystery bike. My crazy proposal..is the only way that makes 
>>> sense for us right now. 
>>>
>>> Thanks..
>>>
>>> Grant
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 22, 2013 7:09:49 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:

>>>

[RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[sameness]

Did somebody say mixte?
>
> Beaming Betty. Yves Go-Quick.

Only you have the power to make my dreams come true.

Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some 650b conversion pics

[Jim Bronson]

My bike is an older custom that had 700x28 on it when I got it used in
2005/6.  Probably designed around 700x28 for the original owner.  I had
been running Grand Bois Cypress 700x32 for a while but with minimal brake
clearance.

I took it on a post-conversion 130 mile shakedown ride yesterday and
handling seems to be unaltered.  I even pedaled around a u-turn on a narrow
road and didn't suffer a pedal strike, which I had been worried about.

I was running Nifty Swifties which are labeled as 650b x "32.8 mm or so".
I also installed P45 cream long boards that I got from Rivendell.  Those
were not depicted in the images in the thread starter.  It was wonderful to
have the fenders as temperatures hovered in the mid to upper 30s with
intermittent drizzle all day.  Not exactly chamber of commerce weather for
Central Texas.

For me, running fatter tires with fenders is the whole reason I did the
conversion in the first place.  So far I am pretty happy with it.  I will
try wider tires still when I get around to it.  I have some Pacenti
Pari-motos waiting in the garage,  650b x 38.  I'm pretty sure those and
the 42s also will fit.  I may have cut the fender stays a bit short but I'm
sure spare parts are available.
On Nov 24, 2013 6:33 PM, "dougP"  wrote:

> Jim:
>
> So you took a 700c wheeled bike & converted to 650b?  Ignoring the tires
> for the moment, doesn't that lower everything 19 mm?  What effect does it
> have on the handling?  I've read about picking a wheel size & designing a
> bike around that, so this seems a radical change.  OTH, people have been
> converting 80s era bikes to 650 with good result.  How did you know this
> was going to work?
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:33:39 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/photos/110759113894226395434/
>> albums/5948811384486030177
>>
>> Hopefully link works.  Set to public.
>>
>> Cream SKS Long boards are on the way from Rivendell.  But the rest of it
>> is mostly complete.  Yes, I realize the saddle looks terrible, but it still
>> works ;)
>>
>> New Components
>> Handspun 650b wheelset synergy/deore LX, front dynohub
>> 11-30 HG50 cassette 9sp
>> SRAM PC971 chain
>> Sugino XD600 46-36-26
>> UN-55 bottom bracket 68x113
>> DuraAce BS77 9 speed bar ends
>> Tektro R559 brakes
>> VP Pedals
>> Kneesavers
>> Bar tape
>> Cables
>>
>> Reused
>> Frame
>> Fork
>> Handlebars
>> Tektro brake levers
>> Stem
>> Saddle
>> Seatpost
>> Campy Chorus polished rear derailer
>> Campy Racing -T polished front derailer
>> Electronic goodies (not mounted in pics)
>> Topeak Trunk bag (not mounted in pics)
>> Bento bag
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[cyclotourist]

Put up or shut-up time people... My QB is by far my favorite bike.
Unfortunately also my least ridden, which made it hard to justify, but
there's something special about it! I sold my first one, thinking I
didn't really need it (see low miles above) and kicked myself
near-weekly till I found one to replace it. So glad I did, and not
letting this one get away!

I hope 30 of you are Beam-curious enough to invest in one!

On 11/24/13, Philip Williamson  wrote:
> Hahaha! That's the impression. "Sure, I'm, uh, 180, but I 'ride light.'"
> "We're SEEN you. We've seen you RIDE. Straight gauge it is."
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:23:53 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:04:46 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> Whoa. There you go.
>>>
>>> My Quickbeam is still my prettiest, bestest bike ever. I've ridden it up
>>>
>>> and down steep steep singletrack, long (for me) road rides, and commuted.
>>>
>>> Still the bike I'll spend the most money making prettier. If I had
>>> unlimited funds, I'd commission a custom Riv with vertical drops,
>>> Atlantis
>>> clearance, and Roadeo tubing. Single it up with a White ENO hub. Lie
>>> about
>>> my weight and riding conditions.
>>>
>> *HA! This is a crack-up. Seriously. Are we that bad? Ha! again--*-
>>
>>>
>>> A QB by any other name (and 10 years refinement) is still as sweet.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 9:53:57 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

 Nothing's ever for sure gone for good, but here's the thing with the
 SimpleBeams (forgive the gross generalizations used to make the point
 without accounting for exceptions. I will use "everybody" not in the
 literal sense):

 Everybody moans the loss of a bike they didn't buy when it was availabe.

 The SB was always the slowest seller of all time, which in itself isn't
 the
 end of the world, but what it means for us is---it was a cash flow
 killer.
 We pay fully for 100 of them about two months before they arrive. Then
 it
 takes a year and a half or two years to sell them.
 One thing that seems to happen is--when something's readily available,
 it's meh...and when it's gone, the heart grows fonder genuinely--and
 maybe
 people who would have been buyers when the bike was around have just
 learned about it and think hey I'd like that. But there is a small
 tendency
 to overenthuse about what can't be had. I do it myself with other things
 in
 my life.
 *Dang, they quit making that __ I've hemmed and hawed about and
 admired for years, but never wanted enough to buy, but now that I can't
 buy
 it, shoot!*I don't mean that's rampant here, and I DO like that the
 bikes are so well-liked. Me too. I sold my QB when I needed money,
 figured
 I could always get a SO, and now they're gone and I want one more than
 ever. So---I'm not just an observer of this phenomenon, but a
 participant!
 If we could pre-sell 30 of them. Paid two-months before they arrive
 (that's when our payment is due), I'd stick my neck out and order 100.
 This
 time they'd be slightly different, and the danger of this hypothetical
 scenario is that it would open a debate about what's the difference
 between
 the new and old, which is preferable, then a vote, and it all gets weird

 and half the people who expressed willingness to get a new one now feel

 dis-listened to and bummed because it didn't go that way.
 So...i'd be innerested only if I had free secret rein to tweak it
 this way and that, still resulting in a killer one-speed, but not a
 clone
 of the SO, which was a clone of the QB. It might be any color, any name,

 any kind of break, any anything. I totally get that ordering semi-blind

 isn't easy to do. The unblind part of the semi is: Track or horizontal
 dropouts angled to allow pad contact over a wide range of chainlengths,

 like QB/SO. Two bottle mounts, rackable. good clearance. Basically
 Sam-like
 with diff dropouts. Probably sidepulls but could be cantis. A perfectly

 good color, a good name, a nice badge, a really great singler.

 Serious agreers will PM cyclofiend (Jim! So sorryplease forgive
 me...but these  months I have so many kaleidiscopes in my head that I
 can't
 have another one), and if the list reaches 30 (meaning you'll have $1200

 by Dec 2014 for the frame/fork/headset, and the money won't evaporate in
 a
 divorce or unforseeable crisis), then we'll get some good frames.

 I have a full plate and I know it seems so bad to say I can't answer
 questions about this, but for the next few months I probably can't. Yo

Re: [RBW] FS: E6 lights, White ENO hub, Schwalbe tires, more

[cyclotourist]

Better keep the ENO hub for that Riv custom you have planned!

On 11/24/13, Philip Williamson  wrote:
> Some things I'm clearing out. All prices are shipped. Price breaks and free
>
> coffee for local (SF North Bay) sales.
>
> Silver Midge flared drop bar, new: $50
> White ENO Eccentric hub, fixed free, 135mm: $100
> Sturmey S3X, 700C, 120mm OLD, red hub, black rim and spokes: $150
> Sachs Automatic 2-speed hub, 120mm, "blue" ratio: $200
> (3) E6 Halogen light, with extra bulb: $25 each
> (4) Schwalbe Big Apples, 700x60: $25 each
> 25" (63.5cm?) Ross, low-trail fixed gear; dynamo lighting, big front bag:
> $600
>
> Paypal; offers considered.
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Some 650b conversion pics

[Jim Bronson]

I have the Nifty Swifty installed in the pics.  They are very inexpensive,
and I wanted something to try out 650b with, without having to invest $120
or more in tires.  I got the Nifty Swifty tires for $26 each from
ebikestop.com.

The Maxy Fasty is the same as the Nifty Swifty but without the Nifty
Swifty's extra flat protection belt.

How wide is your Road Standard's chain stay bridge?  Would be interesting
to compare.  Mine is not very wide.  Barely enough to accommodate the
fender.
 On Nov 24, 2013 8:12 PM, "Jim Cloud"  wrote:

> The early models of the Rivendell Road were designed for a 700x28c tire
> size,  I don't believe you would be able to fit a 650x42b size tire between
> the chainstays of those particular bikes (I also own an original 1996 model
> of the Road Standard).
>
> I don't, however, see a post by the OP that indicates what is the tire
> size that he fitted to his bike.  The tread pattern, however, looks like
> one used by RIvendell.  The only tire that Rivendell currently sells in the
> 650b size that's a Rivendell design is the Maxy Fasty which is a 650Bx33.5
> size.
>
> Jim
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2013 6:29:00 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Isn't the sole point of this conversion exercise that you can use
>> *fatter* tires, and significantly fatter tires? So, while you might lose
>> some bb height, you won't lose nearly the whole 19 mm ?
>>
>> A 622X23 mm tire is about 26 1/2" in diameter. A 559 X 1" tire is about
>> 24" in diameter. A 559X35 mm tire is about 25" in diameter. A 559 X 50 tire
>> is about 26" in diameter. I cite these only as being directly or indirectly
>> relevant sizes known to me by experience.
>>
>> Thus, if you went from a 700C X 25 to a 650B X 42, which seems common,
>> wouldn't you gain back some 10 to 15 mm?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 5:33 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>>> Jim:
>>>
>>> So you took a 700c wheeled bike & converted to 650b?  Ignoring the tires
>>> for the moment, doesn't that lower everything 19 mm?  What effect does it
>>> have on the handling?  I've read about picking a wheel size & designing a
>>> bike around that, so this seems a radical change.  OTH, people have been
>>> converting 80s era bikes to 650 with good result.  How did you know this
>>> was going to work?
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:33:39 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 https://plus.google.com/photos/110759113894226395434/albums/
 5948811384486030177

 Hopefully link works.  Set to public.

 Cream SKS Long boards are on the way from Rivendell.  But the rest of
 it is mostly complete.  Yes, I realize the saddle looks terrible, but it
 still works ;)

 New Components
 Handspun 650b wheelset synergy/deore LX, front dynohub
 11-30 HG50 cassette 9sp
 SRAM PC971 chain
 Sugino XD600 46-36-26
 UN-55 bottom bracket 68x113
 DuraAce BS77 9 speed bar ends
 Tektro R559 brakes
 VP Pedals
 Kneesavers
 Bar tape
 Cables

 Reused
 Frame
 Fork
 Handlebars
 Tektro brake levers
 Stem
 Saddle
 Seatpost
 Campy Chorus polished rear derailer
 Campy Racing -T polished front derailer
 Electronic goodies (not mounted in pics)
 Topeak Trunk bag (not mounted in pics)
 Bento bag

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[RBW] Recommendations for a front derailer on a compact double?

[Michael]

Shimano Ultegra FD-6600
Works fine on my compact crankset-ed Bleriot.

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[RBW] Re: You Know You're Addicted to Rivendell When . . .

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

when you're reading this at work instead of ... working.
 
Jay
On Sunday, November 24, 2013 1:08:38 AM UTC+2, Evan wrote:

> You stay up until 1am, on a weeknight, to read every single word of the 
> catalogue.
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[RBW] Re: mechanical issues

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

A few more details in case anyone is still reading this:
 
Creaking happens under hard pedalling. I feel it through my feet, so it 
really seems like it's coming from the crank area. It started a few weeks 
after I replaced chain rings (from Sugino triple to 40-26-bashguard) and 
the chain ring bolts were a bit loose when I tightened them. Honestly, I 
don't remember if I greased the cranks before reinstalling them. I 
usually do, but I had them off for cleaning not too much before so maybe I 
figured they were good enough. I'll pull, clean, regrease and reinstall 
them this weekend.
 
Shifting - With the old cassette, Shimano 11-34, the only issue I noticed 
while riding was failure to shift up from 18T to 15T. I had to shift twice, 
to 13T and them down again if I wanted that gear. It had been fine before 
that for a long time until I replaced the chain. New and old chains were 
both Shimano. With the new SRAM 11-34 cassette, on the stand, it is 
skipping cogs going in both directions. I would think that the cable could 
be either too loose or too tight, not both. I will try the adjustment 
procedure described here and hope nothing is bent. Derailler is LX from 
Jensen's ($30 NOS if anyone needs). I wouldn't expect any compatability 
issues, but maybe that's part of it?
 
Jay
 
On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:07:51 PM UTC+2, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

> 2 annoying mechanical issues on my Sam Hillborne:
>  
>
>1. Creaking - sometimes more, sometimes less, but dramatic enough to 
>be easily heard by someone riding next to me. Tried so far - tightening 
>chain ring bolts; cleaning, oiling and finaly replacing the chain; playing 
>with FD trim until cross-eyed, check BB for play. Next steps - replace 
>pedals, replace BB even though no play, ...? 
>2. Rear shifting - indexed bar end shifter was skipping my favorite 
>cog (15T), so yesterday I replaced the cassette, thinking I had waited too 
>long to replaced the chain a few weeks ago. Now it's skipping all over in 
>indexed mode, both up and down. Tightening the cable (also recently 
>replaced) didn't help either so I switched to friction, which is of course 
>fine. I have nothing against friction, but I don't like it when things 
>don't work. In this case I'm commuting in traffic with a 40-26 in front, 
> so 
>for this terrain it's essentially a 1X9 and I want indexing. 
>
> I don't have access to a Rivish LBS anymore, and no one I know around 
> here has ever seen a bar end shifters. So it's just you guys.
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay 
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