[RBW] Re: Will Schwalabe Marathon HS 420 - 700x45 - fit on a 59cm Homer Hilsen?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Maybe 6 months ago... and just for fun I put a 50mm Big Apple on the front 
of my AHH. It barely fit (no fender). I did not try the rear, but I think 
it's possible it would have fit.  

--Smitty

On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:34:27 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>
> Looking to see what the biggest tire I can use with a 59cm A. Homer Hilsen.
>
> Does anyone know if a Schwalabe Marathon HS 420 - 700x45 will fit?
>
> The max tire per Riv is a 700x43 but maybe these will measure out just 
> under. 
>
> Any suggestions/recommendations would be helpful, thanks!
>
> - Eric
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Ron Mc]

base layer, insulation layer, wind block - a dictated by the temps and wind 
chill.  Just this morning, I purchased a merino wool base layer, top and 
bottom, plus an extra pair of merino wool boxer briefs for $97 shipped from 
sierratradingpost.  here was the extra 35% off keycode FNW5634Y good 
through Monday.  I just searched men merino on the stp website.  

On Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:18:38 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> I grew up in the mountains in upstate NY and have to agree, if your core 
> is warm your extremities will be warm. I focused on layers on my core and 
> in below freezing weather my hands feet and knees are still warm. If you 
> have good core layering you shouldn't need super pants. 
> On Oct 5, 2013 1:07 PM, "David T." > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am a Canadian from Northern Ontario. 
>>
>> Cold on your knees may not be a cause of your knee pain. Putting wraps 
>> and bandages on might just make it feel worse. 
>>
>> You don't need much on your legs. Above about 7 degrees celsius ( 45 
>> degrees fahrenheit ) shorts are appropriate. I love seeing the ride reports 
>> from the beautiful States but I notice that people sometimes overdress 
>> there. 
>>
>> For outdoor activities, a pair of light wool dress pants can't be beat. 
>> Second hand, or even an old pair from a "marrying and burying suit." You 
>> don't need to buy any cycling- or sports-specific legwear. 
>>
>> For really cold weather, the most you would need is a pair of long johns 
>> with some kind of synthetic layer over. If you get cold, pedal harder. If 
>> you start to sweat too much, slow down or rest until you cool to the right 
>> level. 
>>
>> Keep cycling and maybe do some resistance/weight training to build up 
>> your quads and hamstrings; that will help with most knee problems. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Country Bike (in the city) Ramble, Portland: Saturday October 5

[Deacon Patrick]

What a great way to ride a city!

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Ron Mc]

ps - dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain - if your knee hurts, 
stop and hydrate

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:52:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> base layer, insulation layer, wind block - a dictated by the temps and 
> wind chill.  Just this morning, I purchased a merino wool base layer, top 
> and bottom, plus an extra pair of merino wool boxer briefs for $97 shipped 
> from sierratradingpost.  here was the extra 35% off keycode FNW5634Y good 
> through Monday.  I just searched men merino on the stp website.  
>
> On Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:18:38 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> I grew up in the mountains in upstate NY and have to agree, if your core 
>> is warm your extremities will be warm. I focused on layers on my core and 
>> in below freezing weather my hands feet and knees are still warm. If you 
>> have good core layering you shouldn't need super pants. 
>> On Oct 5, 2013 1:07 PM, "David T."  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Canadian from Northern Ontario. 
>>>
>>> Cold on your knees may not be a cause of your knee pain. Putting wraps 
>>> and bandages on might just make it feel worse. 
>>>
>>> You don't need much on your legs. Above about 7 degrees celsius ( 45 
>>> degrees fahrenheit ) shorts are appropriate. I love seeing the ride reports 
>>> from the beautiful States but I notice that people sometimes overdress 
>>> there. 
>>>
>>> For outdoor activities, a pair of light wool dress pants can't be beat. 
>>> Second hand, or even an old pair from a "marrying and burying suit." You 
>>> don't need to buy any cycling- or sports-specific legwear. 
>>>
>>> For really cold weather, the most you would need is a pair of long johns 
>>> with some kind of synthetic layer over. If you get cold, pedal harder. If 
>>> you start to sweat too much, slow down or rest until you cool to the right 
>>> level. 
>>>
>>> Keep cycling and maybe do some resistance/weight training to build up 
>>> your quads and hamstrings; that will help with most knee problems. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Deacon Patrick]

"dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain"

I've never heard this. Could you please elaborate?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:01:52 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> ps - dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain - if your knee hurts, 
> stop and hydrate
>

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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[clayton bailey]

Thanks Ron for the discount code. I have been riding in cold weather now for 25 
years. I have lived most of that time in the mountains, but now live in Bend 
Oregon. I have not been payin' attention to the newest and coolest technical 
fabrics. I appreciate your advice on the wool.




On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:52 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
 
base layer, insulation layer, wind block - a dictated by the temps and wind 
chill.  Just this morning, I purchased a merino wool base layer, top and 
bottom, plus an extra pair of merino wool boxer briefs for $97 shipped from 
sierratradingpost.  here was the extra 35% off keycode FNW5634Y good through 
Monday.  I just searched men merino on the stp website.  

On Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:18:38 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
I grew up in the mountains in upstate NY and have to agree, if your core is 
warm your extremities will be warm. I focused on layers on my core and in below 
freezing weather my hands feet and knees are still warm. If you have good core 
layering you shouldn't need super pants. 
>On Oct 5, 2013 1:07 PM, "David T."  wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I am a Canadian from Northern Ontario. 
>>
>>Cold on your knees may not be a cause of your knee pain. Putting wraps and 
>>bandages on might just make it feel worse. 
>>
>>You don't need much on your legs. Above about 7 degrees celsius ( 45 degrees 
>>fahrenheit ) shorts are appropriate. I love seeing the ride reports from the 
>>beautiful States but I notice that people sometimes overdress there. 
>>
>>For outdoor activities, a pair of light wool dress pants can't be beat. 
>>Second hand, or even an old pair from a "marrying and burying suit." You 
>>don't need to buy any cycling- or sports-specific legwear. 
>>
>>For really cold weather, the most you would need is a pair of long johns with 
>>some kind of synthetic layer over. If you get cold, pedal harder. If you 
>>start to sweat too much, slow down or rest until you cool to the right level. 
>>
>>Keep cycling and maybe do some resistance/weight training to build up your 
>>quads and hamstrings; that will help with most knee problems. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[RJM]

Really?  I would like to hear more about that. 
 
I sometimes have terrible knee pain in my left knee but have always chalked 
it up to the fact I sprained it 15 years ago and it just flares up. If I 
can find a natural, non-doctor/drug way of alleviating the pain, I would 
love to. 
 
 

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 7:01:52 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

> ps - dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain - if your knee hurts, 
> stop and hydrate
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:52:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> base layer, insulation layer, wind block - a dictated by the temps and 
>> wind chill.  Just this morning, I purchased a merino wool base layer, top 
>> and bottom, plus an extra pair of merino wool boxer briefs for $97 shipped 
>> from sierratradingpost.  here was the extra 35% off keycode FNW5634Y good 
>> through Monday.  I just searched men merino on the stp website.  
>>
>> On Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:18:38 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>> I grew up in the mountains in upstate NY and have to agree, if your core 
>>> is warm your extremities will be warm. I focused on layers on my core and 
>>> in below freezing weather my hands feet and knees are still warm. If you 
>>> have good core layering you shouldn't need super pants. 
>>> On Oct 5, 2013 1:07 PM, "David T."  wrote:
>>>


 I am a Canadian from Northern Ontario. 

 Cold on your knees may not be a cause of your knee pain. Putting wraps 
 and bandages on might just make it feel worse. 

 You don't need much on your legs. Above about 7 degrees celsius ( 45 
 degrees fahrenheit ) shorts are appropriate. I love seeing the ride 
 reports 
 from the beautiful States but I notice that people sometimes overdress 
 there. 

 For outdoor activities, a pair of light wool dress pants can't be beat. 
 Second hand, or even an old pair from a "marrying and burying suit." You 
 don't need to buy any cycling- or sports-specific legwear. 

 For really cold weather, the most you would need is a pair of long 
 johns with some kind of synthetic layer over. If you get cold, pedal 
 harder. If you start to sweat too much, slow down or rest until you cool 
 to 
 the right level. 

 Keep cycling and maybe do some resistance/weight training to build up 
 your quads and hamstrings; that will help with most knee problems. 





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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Deacon Patrick]

In my personal experience and that of many others eliminating grains, 
veggie oils, and processed foods eliminated issues of inflammation. Helped 
a lot of others as well. Also, in my experience, eliminating those from my 
diet greatly decreased my need for constant water.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:05:14 AM UTC-6, RJM wrote:
>
> Really?  I would like to hear more about that. 
>  
> I sometimes have terrible knee pain in my left knee but have always 
> chalked it up to the fact I sprained it 15 years ago and it just flares up. 
> If I can find a natural, non-doctor/drug way of alleviating the pain, I 
> would love to. 
>  
>  
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 7:01:52 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> ps - dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain - if your knee hurts, 
>> stop and hydrate
>>
>> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 6:52:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> base layer, insulation layer, wind block - a dictated by the temps and 
>>> wind chill.  Just this morning, I purchased a merino wool base layer, top 
>>> and bottom, plus an extra pair of merino wool boxer briefs for $97 shipped 
>>> from sierratradingpost.  here was the extra 35% off keycode FNW5634Y good 
>>> through Monday.  I just searched men merino on the stp website.  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:18:38 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:

 I grew up in the mountains in upstate NY and have to agree, if your 
 core is warm your extremities will be warm. I focused on layers on my core 
 and in below freezing weather my hands feet and knees are still warm. If 
 you have good core layering you shouldn't need super pants. 
 On Oct 5, 2013 1:07 PM, "David T."  wrote:

>
>
> I am a Canadian from Northern Ontario. 
>
> Cold on your knees may not be a cause of your knee pain. Putting wraps 
> and bandages on might just make it feel worse. 
>
> You don't need much on your legs. Above about 7 degrees celsius ( 45 
> degrees fahrenheit ) shorts are appropriate. I love seeing the ride 
> reports 
> from the beautiful States but I notice that people sometimes overdress 
> there. 
>
> For outdoor activities, a pair of light wool dress pants can't be 
> beat. Second hand, or even an old pair from a "marrying and burying 
> suit." 
> You don't need to buy any cycling- or sports-specific legwear. 
>
> For really cold weather, the most you would need is a pair of long 
> johns with some kind of synthetic layer over. If you get cold, pedal 
> harder. If you start to sweat too much, slow down or rest until you cool 
> to 
> the right level. 
>
> Keep cycling and maybe do some resistance/weight training to build up 
> your quads and hamstrings; that will help with most knee problems. 
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Country Bike (in the city) Ramble, Portland: Saturday October 5

[Mike]

So bummed I couldn't make this. What a beautiful day. I'll have to figure 
out where Clapstop Butte is and go check it out. 

I'm off the next two weekends so maybe some of us can get together for a 
Sunday morning ramble one of those weekends. Now is the best time of the 
year to ride Dixie Mtn.

Pictures from the first time I rode it years ago. One of the first big 
rides I did on my Hilsen. It's such an amazingly beautiful ride in the fall.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157608457479476/

--mike


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[RBW] Re: Winter cycling pants

[Garth]

Sierra Trading Post is a great place to shop indeed. As I do not wear wool, 
I have found med. weight long underwear bottoms of Comfortel (very soft 
cotton like polyester with some lycra) to be outstanding. I've worn them 
for years and am amazed they still have them !!  
They have them in lightweight med. weight and  heavyweight  versions, tall 
and regular. 
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/s~wickers-bottom-men/

Down to about the low 40's , I'll often wear these under my shorts, as they 
wear just like boxers, only they're full length. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Fire Sale

[Corwin]

The following items are spoken for:

1) Dynamo wheel.

2) Supernova light.

4) Handlebar bag.

6) Icebreaker wool t-shirt.

7) Brooks team pro saddle.

Still have the threadless and Technomic Deluxe Nitto stems.

Threadless stems (11 and 13cm) now $30 each.

Technomic Deluxe now $40 shipped.

Thanks,


Corwin

On Friday, October 4, 2013 11:01:45 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> I recently lost a Berthoud Aspin and Nitto Frog to a bike thief and need 
> to recover the costs of replacing the saddle and post. I also have three 
> kids in college. So I'm offering some of my stuff that has been laying 
> around at fire sale prices.
>
> 1) Velocity Fusion 700c rim laced to a Schmidt dynamo hub. 32 spokes in 
> silver. Probably one of the lighter front wheels with a dynamo hub. A 
> bomb-proof wheel built by Peter White. The hub alone cost $300. I'm asking 
> $250 for the wheel shipped within the U.S. Also have a rear wheel that goes 
> with it - Velocity Fusion 700c rim laced to a Chris King Classic Cross hub. 
> Also 32 spokes and silver. Also built by Peter White. $400 shipped. These 
> wheels have less than 300 miles on them. Will include Schwalbe Marathon 
> Supreme 700 x 32mm tires if desired as well.
>
> 2) Supernova E3 Pro dynamo headlight. Has the Cateye-like handlebar mount 
> and connectors for the Schmidt hub. Also has wires for taillight. $100 
> shipped in the US.
>
> 3) Nitto UI-5GX 11 and 13 cm threadless stems. Each has less than 100 
> miles on it. $40 each shipped in the U.S.
>
> 4) Jitensha Inujirushi olive handlebar bag. New, unused. Still in the 
> cellophane bag. I think I got this from Mike Schiller. Receipt is still 
> inside. Currently $220 at Jitensha. $170 shipped anywhere in the U.S.
>
> 5) Nitto 12cm Technomic Deluxe stem. Never mounted. Immaculate. Still in 
> the bag, sealed at Nitto. $50 shipped anywhere in the U.S.
>
> 6) Icebreaker Merino Wool t-shirt. Short sleeves. Steel Blue. Says XL - 
> but it's small on me. I'm XL in most other manufacturers sizes. Looks new. 
> I've never worn it; bought it from someone else though. $20 shipped in the 
> U.S.
>
> 7) Brooks Team Pro saddle in black. Hammered rivets. No Obernauf applied. 
> Nice and firm. Most of you would probably say "hard as new". No bag loops. 
> $60 shipped anywhere in the U.S.
>
> Paypal or personal checks gladly accepted.
>
> Pictures here: *http://tinyurl.com/qbppbnv
> *
> Thanks for looking*.
>
>
> *Corwin*
> *
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Re: [RBW] 200km in January suggestions

[Cyclofiend Jim]

As noted, that was a previous year's ride.  Rob (our RBA) has just 
submitted the 2014 calendar.  If you are interested, you should join the 
SFR which will put you on the email list for announcements.  Joining is 
free. 

And, I'm NOT going to try to tell someone from MN what weather is like, but 
January is "winter" in the SF Bay Area, and if you poke around in the 
archives (JimG via yojimg.net has some ride reports) you'll find that some 
years it is unutterably beautiful, but some years - the wet years - can be 
some of the soggiest, dampest, coldest times you might spend on a bike. 

But, yeah... it's a great ride - 
http://cyclofiend.com/brevet/

Jim

On Saturday, October 5, 2013 7:44:55 PM UTC-7, ken.m...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Oops my bad that's the 2013 schedule.  That's still an awful lot of riders 
> for a January ride.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Anne Paulson 
> > wrote:
>
>> There's a randonee on a Wednesday? Or was that a randonee for a previous 
>> year?
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Ken Mattina 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> > looks like it's all filled up
>> >
>> > 
>> http://www.sfrandonneurs.org/point-reyes-lighthouse-200km-registration-limit-reached.htm
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Ted Durant 
>> > > 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Definitely on the list!
>> >>
>> >> Ted Durant
>> >> Milwaukee, WI
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 5, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Bill Lindsay > 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > please consider the Point Reyes Lighthouse 200 with San Francisco
>> >> > Randonneurs
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[RBW] Re: First Meeting of The Sunrise Coffee & Tea Club

[Avery Wilson]

When does the Indianapolis charter do their rides? I'm located in fountain 
square and I'd love to meet a fellow riv rider for coffee at sunrise someplace! 
:) 

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[RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

[Thomas B]

Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted with 
Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The wheels are 
XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke front/rear, 
shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm.

The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the paint 
(please take a look at the photos: 
https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa).
The wheels and tires are still in great shape.

I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of 89cm 
and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size was a bit 
much for me. 
I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the handling 
more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live in the 
East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger on a 
Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something else a 
try.

I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping. 

Please contact me off list if interested.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: FS B17 Special honey/copper

[Reid]

Thanks for the info, everyone. The prices when new (Brooks web site) are 
interesting considering the fairly minor diffs between models. Still, I 
might just be ready to finally try a Brooks.
 
Mike, yours will be at the top of my list if I decide to do it.
 
Reid
 

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Re: [RBW] 200km in January suggestions

[Bill Lindsay]

I rode on a different SFR 200k with a gal from Minnesota.  She complained 
how hard it was to dress for a California brevet.  In Minnesota it's easy, 
check the temperature and put on the right clothes.  In California you are 
very likely to see a 40 degree swing throughout the ride.  

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:07:32 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> As noted, that was a previous year's ride.  Rob (our RBA) has just 
> submitted the 2014 calendar.  If you are interested, you should join the 
> SFR which will put you on the email list for announcements.  Joining is 
> free. 
>
> And, I'm NOT going to try to tell someone from MN what weather is like, 
> but January is "winter" in the SF Bay Area, and if you poke around in the 
> archives (JimG via yojimg.net has some ride reports) you'll find that 
> some years it is unutterably beautiful, but some years - the wet years - 
> can be some of the soggiest, dampest, coldest times you might spend on a 
> bike. 
>
> But, yeah... it's a great ride - 
> http://cyclofiend.com/brevet/
>
> Jim
>
> On Saturday, October 5, 2013 7:44:55 PM UTC-7, ken.m...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Oops my bad that's the 2013 schedule.  That's still an awful lot of 
>> riders for a January ride.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:41 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:
>>
>>> There's a randonee on a Wednesday? Or was that a randonee for a previous 
>>> year?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Ken Mattina  wrote:
>>> > looks like it's all filled up
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> http://www.sfrandonneurs.org/point-reyes-lighthouse-200km-registration-limit-reached.htm
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Definitely on the list!
>>> >>
>>> >> Ted Durant
>>> >> Milwaukee, WI
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 5, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > please consider the Point Reyes Lighthouse 200 with San Francisco
>>> >> > Randonneurs
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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

[cyclotourist]

Good price... if it was a 56cm I'd be all over that!

On 10/5/13, Thomas B  wrote:
> Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted with
> Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The wheels are
> XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke front/rear,
>
> shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm.
>
> The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the paint
> (please take a look at the photos:
> https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa).
> The wheels and tires are still in great shape.
>
> I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of 89cm
> and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size was a bit
> much for me.
> I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the handling
> more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live in the
> East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger on a
> Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something else a
> try.
>
> I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping.
>
> Please contact me off list if interested.
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Campy Only!: Ultramarathon Cycling's Demographic Problem

[Eric Norris]

I know that many readers on this list aren't interested in ultradistance 
events, but for those who are, here are some thoughts on the status of the 
sport:

http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2013/10/ultramarathon-cyclings-demographic.html
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS B17 Special honey/copper

[Hugh Smitham]

Interesting note, I had a Brooks tan B17 13 to 15 years ago and didn't have
the patients for it to supposedly break in and sold it, then tried one
again this year on my AHH with padded underwear, comfortable but when I
took the suggestion to discard the padded underwear and just wear the
Devold or like wool underwear the Brooks amazingly was even more
comfortable.

Best,


~Hugh


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> Thanks for the info, everyone. The prices when new (Brooks web site) are
> interesting considering the fairly minor diffs between models. Still, I
> might just be ready to finally try a Brooks.
>
> Mike, yours will be at the top of my list if I decide to do it.
>
> Reid
>
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Philip Williamson]

You know how you argue against science? You present evidence that doesn't 
support the theory. 
And... Actually, that's just More Science. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] Re: Campy Only!: Ultramarathon Cycling's Demographic Problem

[Deacon Patrick]

A few thoughts:

Youth has no inherent aversion to endurance events, as youth is thriving in 
ultrarunning events, though it is true that developing the aerobic system 
requires a willingness to not go "as fast as I can" (a good general formula 
being not to go over 180-age beats per minute per Phil Maffetone). One 
needs to stay within that aerobic threshold for 3+ months to really develop 
the aerobic system (which will benefit speed at all levels, but requires 
knowledge and patience). 

Sounds to me like its a difference in culture of what is seen as "extreme" 
in running vs. cycling. Youth tends to like what is extreme, and there is a 
lot of extreme cycling happening in MTB right now.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 10:37:19 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> I know that many readers on this list aren't interested in ultradistance 
> events, but for those who are, here are some thoughts on the status of the 
> sport:
>
>
> http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2013/10/ultramarathon-cyclings-demographic.html
>  
>
> --Eric
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> www.wheelsnorth.org
> Blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @campyonlyguy
>  
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[RBW] Re: Campy Only!: Ultramarathon Cycling's Demographic Problem

[Mike Schiller]

I think most of the younger endurance racers are into off-road rides.  The 
avg. age of riders on events like the Tour Divide is in the early 30's. 
 Gravel racing is another area where younger riders have found their 
calling.  Long pavement rides just seem more monotonous compared to the 
variety of terrain and challenges of dirt based endurance races. Even 
though I fit in the older demographic, the dirt side of cycling is just 
more fun.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.



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[RBW] Re: First Meeting of The Sunrise Coffee & Tea Club

[EGNolan]

Avery, I usually do them I. Mondays. I'm on the east side & ride downtown to 
the Eiteljorg to make coffee. Next week sometime perhaps we can meet up? 

Best, 
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Re: [RBW] Re: First Meeting of The Sunrise Coffee & Tea Club

[Christopher Chen]

THIS IS SO EXCITING


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM, EGNolan  wrote:

> Avery, I usually do them I. Mondays. I'm on the east side & ride downtown
> to the Eiteljorg to make coffee. Next week sometime perhaps we can meet up?
>
> Best,
> Eric
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[RBW] WTB: 56cm Rambouillet or Hilsen

[Greg J]

There was a very nice one on the local Craigslist here in the bay area 
California.  Maybe someone here can facilitate, incl myself. 

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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/06/2013 09:51 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

"dehydration is the biggest cause of knee pain"

I've never heard this. Could you please elaborate?



I was told by an orthopaedist when you're dehydrated your cartilege 
shrinks and if it's marginal hey presto, there's your knee pain!


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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Patrick Moore]

This remark has nothing to do with winter pants, but it does bear on knee
pain.

Ever since my high school days, when I believed that shifting to the
smaller ring to climb hills was sissy, I've had a twinge in my left knee
after just a bit of torquing a high gear up a hill while seated. (My first
complete build, circa 1971, age 15 or 16, had a 50t ring and a 15 t cog.) A
month or so ago, during an otherwise very pleasant and scenic gravel ride
with 17 miles of climbing outbound (return in less than 1 hour versus the 2
hours oubound!) my left knee complained loud and long.

It was almost instinctive to force myself to pedal by dropping my heel at
the bottom of the stroke; sure enough, I found and continue to find that
this goes a considerable way toward keeping the knee pain at bay. (As a fan
of fixed gear riding who rides in rolling terrain, I've also learned to
stand early, as soon as the slope starts to bog me down while sitting.)

This afternoon, for example, I pushed a 75" gear against a slight headwind
and up a very steep 1.3 km, and seasoned things with another 3 miles of
more gradual climbing -- always being careful to drop my left heel if I was
seated while applying heavy torque. Now, 1 1/2 hour later, when my left
knee would in the past be bothering me -- no twinge atall.

Knee covered by Nashbar Nickers at 65*F, too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riders - CicLAvia this Sunday?

[Bryan]

No problemo, David. With 90+ degree weather inland, I decided to head for 
the beach instead: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwedgar/10124647106/

Bryan 

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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Deacon Patrick]

With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot pedaling I 
have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 3:13:39 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This remark has nothing to do with winter pants, but it does bear on knee 
> pain. 
>
> Ever since my high school days, when I believed that shifting to the 
> smaller ring to climb hills was sissy, I've had a twinge in my left knee 
> after just a bit of torquing a high gear up a hill while seated. (My first 
> complete build, circa 1971, age 15 or 16, had a 50t ring and a 15 t cog.) A 
> month or so ago, during an otherwise very pleasant and scenic gravel ride 
> with 17 miles of climbing outbound (return in less than 1 hour versus the 2 
> hours oubound!) my left knee complained loud and long. 
>
> It was almost instinctive to force myself to pedal by dropping my heel at 
> the bottom of the stroke; sure enough, I found and continue to find that 
> this goes a considerable way toward keeping the knee pain at bay. (As a fan 
> of fixed gear riding who rides in rolling terrain, I've also learned to 
> stand early, as soon as the slope starts to bog me down while sitting.)
>
> This afternoon, for example, I pushed a 75" gear against a slight headwind 
> and up a very steep 1.3 km, and seasoned things with another 3 miles of 
> more gradual climbing -- always being careful to drop my left heel if I was 
> seated while applying heavy torque. Now, 1 1/2 hour later, when my left 
> knee would in the past be bothering me -- no twinge atall.
>
> Knee covered by Nashbar Nickers at 65*F, too.
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Re: [RBW] Re: So Cal Riders - CicLAvia this Sunday?

[cyclotourist]

Good call! I ended up watching ducks:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/10125726105/

On 10/6/13, Bryan  wrote:
> No problemo, David. With 90+ degree weather inland, I decided to head for
> the beach instead: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bwedgar/10124647106/
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Patrick Moore]

Do you climb in big gears?

I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the muscles that
operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.


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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Deacon Patrick]

I climb big mountains in little gears, a fair amount of the time standing.

With abandon,
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On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Do you climb in big gears?
>
> I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the muscles 
> that operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot pedaling I 
>> have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Patrick Moore]

Standing is no problem; no knee pain no matter what the gear or slope. But
sitting and torquing is the danger.

I just don't feel comfortable with Arch Over Pedal Spindle; it feels
artificial. Note that this has nothing to do with No Retention -- I know of
one man, not much my junior, who smokes his full susp, 11 sp peers on steep
singletrack with a ss 29er and No Retention. It's arch pedaling that feels
bad, to me. Foot on pedal slightly aft of ball of foot, with heel dropped,
gives extra power and helps my left knee (my right knee is wholly
unbothered by seated, high-torque climbing).


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I climb big mountains in little gears, a fair amount of the time standing.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Do you climb in big gears?
>>
>> I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the muscles
>> that operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot pedaling
>>> I have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Deacon Patrick]

I don't arch pedal, but rear forefoot and outer midfoot pedal, if that 
makes sense. When I do sit and torque (for rear traction), no knee issues.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:14:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Standing is no problem; no knee pain no matter what the gear or slope. But 
> sitting and torquing is the danger. 
>
> I just don't feel comfortable with Arch Over Pedal Spindle; it feels 
> artificial. Note that this has nothing to do with No Retention -- I know of 
> one man, not much my junior, who smokes his full susp, 11 sp peers on steep 
> singletrack with a ss 29er and No Retention. It's arch pedaling that feels 
> bad, to me. Foot on pedal slightly aft of ball of foot, with heel dropped, 
> gives extra power and helps my left knee (my right knee is wholly 
> unbothered by seated, high-torque climbing).
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> I climb big mountains in little gears, a fair amount of the time standing.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Do you climb in big gears?
>>>
>>> I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the muscles 
>>> that operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>>
 With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot pedaling 
 I have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.


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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Patrick Moore]

So, perhaps we're much the same -- pedaling just behind the ball of the
foot? I find that cleats don't go far enough backward if the bolts have
wide heads (as on my Looks).

At any rate, that's what I do.

Anyway, for The Other Person, pedaling behind the ball of foot seems to
help at least two people.


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I don't arch pedal, but rear forefoot and outer midfoot pedal, if that
> makes sense. When I do sit and torque (for rear traction), no knee issues.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:14:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Standing is no problem; no knee pain no matter what the gear or slope.
>> But sitting and torquing is the danger.
>>
>> I just don't feel comfortable with Arch Over Pedal Spindle; it feels
>> artificial. Note that this has nothing to do with No Retention -- I know of
>> one man, not much my junior, who smokes his full susp, 11 sp peers on steep
>> singletrack with a ss 29er and No Retention. It's arch pedaling that feels
>> bad, to me. Foot on pedal slightly aft of ball of foot, with heel dropped,
>> gives extra power and helps my left knee (my right knee is wholly
>> unbothered by seated, high-torque climbing).
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> I climb big mountains in little gears, a fair amount of the time
>>> standing.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Do you climb in big gears?

 I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the muscles
 that operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.


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> With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot
> pedaling I have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.
>
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[RBW] Re: Campy Only!: Ultramarathon Cycling's Demographic Problem

[Scott G.]

 I talk to people new to the club riding a lot.
Number #1 reason people don't cycle is they're scared of riding on the road.
Number #2 reason, which probably applies to Ultra events is cycling takes 
too
much time, people would rather run.

Getting 4 hours away is tough, when you are expected to answer work 
questions
24 hours a day on your smart leash.
So cross will take over the universe, 70 minutes in the coffin and you are 
done.

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Re: [RBW] Re: First Meeting of The Sunrise Coffee & Tea Club

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great idea and nice photo documentation!  This fits in with an 'event' run 
out of the Chasing Mailboxes Blog called "Coffeeneuring",  pretty amusing 
and fun.  The author is based out of DC and the rules were officially 
amended to include riding to somewhere and making your own coffee!  :) 
 Happy Riding!

http://chasingmailboxes.com/2013/09/30/third-annual-chasing-mailboxes-coffeeneuring-challenge/

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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Deacon Patrick]

Here are two good pictures of it:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077254556/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077255616/

However you'd define that.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:39:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> So, perhaps we're much the same -- pedaling just behind the ball of the 
> foot? I find that cleats don't go far enough backward if the bolts have 
> wide heads (as on my Looks).
>
> At any rate, that's what I do.
>
> Anyway, for The Other Person, pedaling behind the ball of foot seems to 
> help at least two people.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't arch pedal, but rear forefoot and outer midfoot pedal, if that 
>> makes sense. When I do sit and torque (for rear traction), no knee issues.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:14:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Standing is no problem; no knee pain no matter what the gear or slope. 
>>> But sitting and torquing is the danger. 
>>>
>>> I just don't feel comfortable with Arch Over Pedal Spindle; it feels 
>>> artificial. Note that this has nothing to do with No Retention -- I know of 
>>> one man, not much my junior, who smokes his full susp, 11 sp peers on steep 
>>> singletrack with a ss 29er and No Retention. It's arch pedaling that feels 
>>> bad, to me. Foot on pedal slightly aft of ball of foot, with heel dropped, 
>>> gives extra power and helps my left knee (my right knee is wholly 
>>> unbothered by seated, high-torque climbing).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>>
 I climb big mountains in little gears, a fair amount of the time 
 standing.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Do you climb in big gears?
>
> I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the muscles 
> that operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.
>  
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot 
>> pedaling I have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Country Bike (in the city) Ramble, Portland: Saturday October 5

[hsmitham]

Naw these photo's don't make me jealous in the slightest...at least I get 
to live vicariously through these wonderful images of what looks to be an 
exquisite ramble, relaxation and other to boot.

~Hugh

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> A few of us from the list showed up for this. Bikes were ridden in a 
> "Country Bike" fashion. Good times were had. 
>
> Pics here
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Patrick Moore]

#1 is arch riding --ONONONONO!

#2 -- well, maybe.

But! Use what works for you. No G-D arches for me, but then I prolly don't
climb as high as you, anyway.


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Here are two good pictures of it:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077254556/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077255616/
>
> However you'd define that.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:39:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> So, perhaps we're much the same -- pedaling just behind the ball of the
>> foot? I find that cleats don't go far enough backward if the bolts have
>> wide heads (as on my Looks).
>>
>> At any rate, that's what I do.
>>
>> Anyway, for The Other Person, pedaling behind the ball of foot seems to
>> help at least two people.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't arch pedal, but rear forefoot and outer midfoot pedal, if that
>>> makes sense. When I do sit and torque (for rear traction), no knee issues.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:14:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Standing is no problem; no knee pain no matter what the gear or slope.
 But sitting and torquing is the danger.

 I just don't feel comfortable with Arch Over Pedal Spindle; it feels
 artificial. Note that this has nothing to do with No Retention -- I know of
 one man, not much my junior, who smokes his full susp, 11 sp peers on steep
 singletrack with a ss 29er and No Retention. It's arch pedaling that feels
 bad, to me. Foot on pedal slightly aft of ball of foot, with heel dropped,
 gives extra power and helps my left knee (my right knee is wholly
 unbothered by seated, high-torque climbing).


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> I climb big mountains in little gears, a fair amount of the time
> standing.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Do you climb in big gears?
>>
>> I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the
>> muscles that operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot
>>> pedaling I have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[hsmitham]

Was just reading this thread and Peter M. Dude you made me laugh Try an 
Android phone, maybe it will keep your hands warmer. ..what makes that so 
funny is that it's so true! My Android phone totally runs hot. Now my 
laughing at this comment does not negate the fact that people are different 
and generalizations are all false to include this one. Hey it made me laugh 
that's a wonderful thing.

~Hugh

On Saturday, October 5, 2013 1:49:11 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> Its actually science, but no one ever said you cant argue against 
> science.  Try an Android phone, maybe it will keep your hands warmer. 
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Anne Paulson 
> > wrote:
>
>> Can I just request that people not generalize from their own
>> experience to everyone else's? If *your* core is warm, your
>> extremities are warm, but that is not true for me, nor is it true for
>> many other people. If I sit in my tent, in my sleeping bag, using my
>> iPhone, on a cold night my hands will get cold if I don't wear gloves.
>> That is why I have those works-with-touchscreen gloves; without them,
>> my hands get ice cold if I try to read. Even if the temps are in the
>> 40s.
>>
>> I find the "It works for me so it should work for you too" attitude a
>> little annoying as well as silly.
>>
>> -- Anne
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Peter Morgano 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> > I grew up in the mountains in upstate NY and have to agree, if your 
>> core is
>> > warm your extremities will be warm. I focused on layers on my core and 
>> in
>> > below freezing weather my hands feet and knees are still warm. If you 
>> have
>> > good core layering you shouldn't need super pants.
>> >
>> > On Oct 5, 2013 1:07 PM, "David T." > 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I am a Canadian from Northern Ontario.
>> >>
>> >> Cold on your knees may not be a cause of your knee pain. Putting wraps 
>> and
>> >> bandages on might just make it feel worse.
>> >>
>> >> You don't need much on your legs. Above about 7 degrees celsius ( 45
>> >> degrees fahrenheit ) shorts are appropriate. I love seeing the ride 
>> reports
>> >> from the beautiful States but I notice that people sometimes overdress
>> >> there.
>> >>
>> >> For outdoor activities, a pair of light wool dress pants can't be beat.
>> >> Second hand, or even an old pair from a "marrying and burying suit." 
>> You
>> >> don't need to buy any cycling- or sports-specific legwear.
>> >>
>> >> For really cold weather, the most you would need is a pair of long 
>> johns
>> >> with some kind of synthetic layer over. If you get cold, pedal harder. 
>> If
>> >> you start to sweat too much, slow down or rest until you cool to the 
>> right
>> >> level.
>> >>
>> >> Keep cycling and maybe do some resistance/weight training to build up 
>> your
>> >> quads and hamstrings; that will help with most knee problems.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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[RBW] Re: Country Bike (in the city) Ramble, Portland: Saturday October 5

[Zack]

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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

[Eric Daume]

Hopefully someone will buy this before my resolve weakens. Or maybe someone
will pick up one of the frames I have for sale so I could justify this?

http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-for-sale-post.html

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH


On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Thomas B wrote:

> Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted with
> Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The wheels are
> XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke front/rear,
> shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm.
>
> The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the paint
> (please take a look at the photos:
> https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa).
> The wheels and tires are still in great shape.
>
> I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of 89cm
> and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size was a bit
> much for me.
> I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the handling
> more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live in the
> East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger on a
> Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something else a
> try.
>
> I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping.
>
> Please contact me off list if interested.
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

[hsmitham]

David,

I rode a SH 56cm @ RivHq and it fit me really well. Unless there was a huge 
difference between the center pull & Calipered SH's it seems a 60 cm would 
fit you? That's a nice price and with that stable of spare parts you have...

~Hugh

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:23:06 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Good price... if it was a 56cm I'd be all over that! 
>
> On 10/5/13, Thomas B > wrote: 
> > Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted with 
> > Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The wheels 
> are 
> > XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke 
> front/rear, 
> > 
> > shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm. 
> > 
> > The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the paint 
> > (please take a look at the photos: 
> > https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa). 
> > The wheels and tires are still in great shape. 
> > 
> > I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of 89cm 
> > and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size was a 
> bit 
> > much for me. 
> > I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the 
> handling 
> > more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live in 
> the 
> > East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger on a 
> > Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something else a 
> > try. 
> > 
> > I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping. 
> > 
> > Please contact me off list if interested. 
> > 
> > Tom 
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[RBW] wtb: Riv Hunqapillar - 54cm - green

[Eric]

If you ever consider selling your 54cm green Hunq let me know! I'm on the 
lookout for one.

Thanks!

- Eric 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

[cyclotourist]

I could fit one, but it wouldn't be optimum.
A 56 frame is spot on with a 59cm top tube.

On 10/6/13, hsmitham  wrote:
> David,
>
> I rode a SH 56cm @ RivHq and it fit me really well. Unless there was a huge
>
> difference between the center pull & Calipered SH's it seems a 60 cm would
> fit you? That's a nice price and with that stable of spare parts you
> have...
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:23:06 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Good price... if it was a 56cm I'd be all over that!
>>
>> On 10/5/13, Thomas B > wrote:
>> > Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted with
>> >
>> > Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The wheels
>> are
>> > XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke
>> front/rear,
>> >
>> > shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm.
>> >
>> > The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the paint
>> >
>> > (please take a look at the photos:
>> > https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa).
>> > The wheels and tires are still in great shape.
>> >
>> > I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of 89cm
>> >
>> > and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size was a
>> bit
>> > much for me.
>> > I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the
>> handling
>> > more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live in
>> the
>> > East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger on a
>> >
>> > Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something else a
>> >
>> > try.
>> >
>> > I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping.
>> >
>> > Please contact me off list if interested.
>> >
>> > Tom
>> >
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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

[Hugh Smitham]

Just trying to help lighten your bank account ;-)

Best,


~Hugh


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> I could fit one, but it wouldn't be optimum.
> A 56 frame is spot on with a 59cm top tube.
>
> On 10/6/13, hsmitham  wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > I rode a SH 56cm @ RivHq and it fit me really well. Unless there was a
> huge
> >
> > difference between the center pull & Calipered SH's it seems a 60 cm
> would
> > fit you? That's a nice price and with that stable of spare parts you
> > have...
> >
> > ~Hugh
> >
> > On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:23:06 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Good price... if it was a 56cm I'd be all over that!
> >>
> >> On 10/5/13, Thomas B > wrote:
> >> > Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted
> with
> >> >
> >> > Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The wheels
> >> are
> >> > XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke
> >> front/rear,
> >> >
> >> > shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm.
> >> >
> >> > The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the
> paint
> >> >
> >> > (please take a look at the photos:
> >> > https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa).
> >> > The wheels and tires are still in great shape.
> >> >
> >> > I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of
> 89cm
> >> >
> >> > and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size was a
> >> bit
> >> > much for me.
> >> > I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the
> >> handling
> >> > more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live in
> >> the
> >> > East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger
> on a
> >> >
> >> > Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something
> else a
> >> >
> >> > try.
> >> >
> >> > I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping.
> >> >
> >> > Please contact me off list if interested.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> >
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 56cm Rambouillet or Hilsen

[mho]

Thanks for the info.  Maybe I'll get lucky and one will pop up in my inbox 
(fingers crossed).

On Sunday, October 6, 2013 1:41:36 PM UTC-7, Greg J wrote:
>
> There was a very nice one on the local Craigslist here in the bay area 
> California.  Maybe someone here can facilitate, incl myself. 

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[RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Rod Holland]

I've had good luck with Sport Hill 3P XC pants, with a merino wool base layer 
as needed. Plenty warm enough for tbe worst that Massachusetts winters dish out.

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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

[cyclotourist]

Very considerate of you!

On 10/6/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Just trying to help lighten your bank account ;-)
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>> I could fit one, but it wouldn't be optimum.
>> A 56 frame is spot on with a 59cm top tube.
>>
>> On 10/6/13, hsmitham  wrote:
>> > David,
>> >
>> > I rode a SH 56cm @ RivHq and it fit me really well. Unless there was a
>> huge
>> >
>> > difference between the center pull & Calipered SH's it seems a 60 cm
>> would
>> > fit you? That's a nice price and with that stable of spare parts you
>> > have...
>> >
>> > ~Hugh
>> >
>> > On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:23:06 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Good price... if it was a 56cm I'd be all over that!
>> >>
>> >> On 10/5/13, Thomas B > wrote:
>> >> > Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted
>> with
>> >> >
>> >> > Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The
>> >> > wheels
>> >> are
>> >> > XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke
>> >> front/rear,
>> >> >
>> >> > shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm.
>> >> >
>> >> > The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the
>> paint
>> >> >
>> >> > (please take a look at the photos:
>> >> > https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa).
>> >> > The wheels and tires are still in great shape.
>> >> >
>> >> > I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of
>> 89cm
>> >> >
>> >> > and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size was
>> >> > a
>> >> bit
>> >> > much for me.
>> >> > I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the
>> >> handling
>> >> > more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live
>> >> > in
>> >> the
>> >> > East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger
>> on a
>> >> >
>> >> > Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something
>> else a
>> >> >
>> >> > try.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping.
>> >> >
>> >> > Please contact me off list if interested.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tom
>> >> >
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>> >>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 60cm STT Sam Hillborne F/F +fenders + racks + wheels

[Hugh Smitham]

Always trying to help a Rivendell find a good barn.

Best,


~Hugh


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:15 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> Very considerate of you!
>
> On 10/6/13, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> > Just trying to help lighten your bank account ;-)
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > ~Hugh
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 6:51 PM, cyclotourist 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I could fit one, but it wouldn't be optimum.
> >> A 56 frame is spot on with a 59cm top tube.
> >>
> >> On 10/6/13, hsmitham  wrote:
> >> > David,
> >> >
> >> > I rode a SH 56cm @ RivHq and it fit me really well. Unless there was a
> >> huge
> >> >
> >> > difference between the center pull & Calipered SH's it seems a 60 cm
> >> would
> >> > fit you? That's a nice price and with that stable of spare parts you
> >> > have...
> >> >
> >> > ~Hugh
> >> >
> >> > On Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:23:06 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Good price... if it was a 56cm I'd be all over that!
> >> >>
> >> >> On 10/5/13, Thomas B > wrote:
> >> >> > Up for sale is my 60cm STT, lovely green Sam frame and fork, fitted
> >> with
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Bethoud SS fenders, a Nitto top rack and Nitto mini-front. The
> >> >> > wheels
> >> >> are
> >> >> > XT hubs (old kind) laced to Mavic A119 rims in silver  36 spoke
> >> >> front/rear,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > shod with Panaracer Paselas 37mm.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The frame is in good condition, but with a number of chips in the
> >> paint
> >> >> >
> >> >> > (please take a look at the photos:
> >> >> > https://plus.google.com/100421127368153243355/posts/HptKpf6MECa).
> >> >> > The wheels and tires are still in great shape.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I used this as a commuter and enjoyed it a lot, but having a pbh of
> >> 89cm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > and being between the old SH sizes I always felt this frame size
> was
> >> >> > a
> >> >> bit
> >> >> > much for me.
> >> >> > I carried my workbag up front in a basket and actually liked the
> >> >> handling
> >> >> > more that way than having the load on the top rack at back. I live
> >> >> > in
> >> >> the
> >> >> > East Bay and after oggling for a while I finally pulled the trigger
> >> on a
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Box Dog Pelican. I am a one bike guy and wanted to give something
> >> else a
> >> >> >
> >> >> > try.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am asking $850. Buyer pays shipping.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please contact me off list if interested.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Tom
> >> >> >
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Re: [RBW] Winter cycling pants

[Peter Morgano]

Wait, that's a personal opinion, not allowed according to list police!  ;-)
On Oct 6, 2013 10:07 PM, "Rod Holland"  wrote:

> I've had good luck with Sport Hill 3P XC pants, with a merino wool base
> layer as needed. Plenty warm enough for tbe worst that Massachusetts
> winters dish out.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Country Bike (in the city) Ramble, Portland: Saturday October 5

[Christopher Chen]

Shawn always puts together a great ride. I love all the unknown streets and
neighborhoods I discover with the Urban Adventure League.

I wish I was there for the whole ride, but I was preoccupied for the first
few hours.

cc


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Zack  wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: First Meeting of The Sunrise Coffee & Tea Club

[Christopher Chen]

All right, I'm gonna announce the "meetings" on Twitter/Facebook, and
cross-post them here. So now you know.

Next ride is October 14! Meet at Vera Katz Statue at 6:45 to catch sunrise
from Mt. Tabor.

https://twitter.com/riseandbike/status/387084406147407872


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> Great idea and nice photo documentation!  This fits in with an 'event' run
> out of the Chasing Mailboxes Blog called "Coffeeneuring",  pretty amusing
> and fun.  The author is based out of DC and the rules were officially
> amended to include riding to somewhere and making your own coffee!  :)
>  Happy Riding!
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> http://chasingmailboxes.com/2013/09/30/third-annual-chasing-mailboxes-coffeeneuring-challenge/
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