#1 is arch riding --ONONONONO!

#2 -- well, maybe.

But! Use what works for you. No G-D arches for me, but then I prolly don't
climb as high as you, anyway.


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamontg...@mac.com> wrote:

> Here are two good pictures of it:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077254556/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10077255616/
>
> However you'd define that.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:39:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> So, perhaps we're much the same -- pedaling just behind the ball of the
>> foot? I find that cleats don't go far enough backward if the bolts have
>> wide heads (as on my Looks).
>>
>> At any rate, that's what I do.
>>
>> Anyway, for The Other Person, pedaling behind the ball of foot seems to
>> help at least two people.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't arch pedal, but rear forefoot and outer midfoot pedal, if that
>>> makes sense. When I do sit and torque (for rear traction), no knee issues.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:14:57 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Standing is no problem; no knee pain no matter what the gear or slope.
>>>> But sitting and torquing is the danger.
>>>>
>>>> I just don't feel comfortable with Arch Over Pedal Spindle; it feels
>>>> artificial. Note that this has nothing to do with No Retention -- I know of
>>>> one man, not much my junior, who smokes his full susp, 11 sp peers on steep
>>>> singletrack with a ss 29er and No Retention. It's arch pedaling that feels
>>>> bad, to me. Foot on pedal slightly aft of ball of foot, with heel dropped,
>>>> gives extra power and helps my left knee (my right knee is wholly
>>>> unbothered by seated, high-torque climbing).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I climb big mountains in little gears, a fair amount of the time
>>>>> standing.
>>>>>
>>>>> With abandon,
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 6, 2013 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you climb in big gears?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to place my at the backs of the slots, but I do use the
>>>>>> muscles that operate when you pedal with the foot forward of the arch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With midfoot pedaling I have never had a knee twinge. Forefoot
>>>>>>> pedaling I have. A different way of getting the heel down, same result.
>>>>>>>
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