Re: [RBW] Welcome to Portland, Zack

[Christopher Chen]

I accidentally created the boeshield religion. Upon riding in sand or mud,
just repeat (shout) over and over, "T-9! T-9!". Your chain will emerge
unsullied.
On Aug 9, 2013 9:24 PM, "Andy Smitty Schmidt" <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> List member Zack Luby recently relocated to the Rose City. List member
> Chris Chen and I snatched him up and took him on a little tour around town
> this afternoon. We got rained on (barely), ate copious quantities of
> berries, pedaled to the top of a butte, stopped for burgers, rode on the
> beach, applied plenty of sunscreen, and stayed out past our curfews.
>
> Zack rode his just-re-assembled-yesterday black canti-Sam. Chris rode his
> Homer. I was on kid duty today so I rode my Bocco'd Big Dummy and brought
> along my 5 and 6 year old kids.
>
> Pics... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/sets/72157635007757736/
>
> Smitty
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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

[bobish]

"In like Flynn," a round up, here:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/198700.html

Also, on a related note:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=In%20like%20flint

• Perry

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Re: [RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

[qwerty]

I have to put in a plug for the new revised moustache bars.  They've
quickly become my new favorite bar over drops or traditional moustache
bars.  I really like the wider grip and less reach over the old
moustache bars.  Mounted at saddle height, they're more comfortable on
longer rides than riding in drops.  Also, less need (for me) to use a
shorter stem like traditional Mbars.   Actually, they appear to be
very closely shaped to inverted Alba bars, but for some reason I can't
quite put my finger on, I still prefer them over those as well.  Oh
yeah, they're great on a Hunqapillar, for off road climbs and
descents.  Too bad RIv is already out of stock on these, but I'm
hoping they'll be restocked by next month.  In the meantime, if anyone
has a pair that didn't work out for them, hit me up off list!

Mike G.

On 8/9/13, Manuel Acosta  wrote:
> I got some blue bullmoose bars that I've been hoarding from the garage
> sale. these are like cobalt blue. super bruise blue
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 7:58:56 PM UTC-7, Ozonation wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar
>>
>> I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but
>> would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa
>>
>> Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively
>> long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was
>> thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.
>>
>> However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and
>>
>> this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I
>>
>> just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or
>>
>> Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on
>> rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more
>>
>> MTB style) would be best.
>>
>> I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they
>> for longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of
>> Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good
>>
>> reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what
>>
>> looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos!
>>
>> Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of
>>
>> lends the above.
>>
>> Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations?
>> Albatross? Other?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Welcome to Portland, Zack

[Tony DeFilippo]

Andy, great set of pictures, looks like a very successful day in the saddle!  
Get what was that auxiliary bar with your bell and shifters?  More pics please!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: H. Homer Hilsen goes to the North Country. A ride report and flick link

[blueride2]

Yeah, I have great memories of the White mountains.A magical place, for 
sure,especially in Fall and Summer.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Flyer quick fix please

[Matt Beebe]

If I were you, I'd probably just nurse it through.  If the problem 
continues maybe look into the Lon Haldeman break-in method, though it's too 
late to do it now before your ride this weekend, because you need at least 
a couple of days to complete the process.   I've never had to use this 
method myself, but have heard good things about it and, after all, it's 
recommended by Lon 
Haldeman
.

Matt


On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:54:12 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> Sit bone pain advice needed:
>  
> Gotta Brooks Flyer that I love on my Sam and it is breaking in on the 
> right side, but no detent on the left side yet.
>  
> My left sit bone hurt bad during and after my last training ride last 
> weekend and for a couplea days after. This weekend I am on schedule for a 
> 30-35 mile ride.
>  
> Anything I can do to protect the left sit bone?
> Wear two pairs of cycling shorts this ride to nurse it through?
> What do you all do in this situation?
>

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[RBW] Brooks Flyer quick fix please

[Michael Rivers]

I find that there are two adjustments I need to make to Brooks saddles when I 
first put them on a bike.  Everyone knows about the up and down tilt that 
depends on how high your hands are in relation to the saddle.  Equally 
important to me is the slight side to side adjustment of the nose which can 
depend on both my slightly assymetric hindquarters, as well as the break in of 
the leather.  I usually tweek the saddle position as often as every 100 miles 
for the first 500.

Another trick is to add Proofhide (or LL Bean waterproof boot wax which is what 
I use) on the side that is a bit stiff.  There is variability in the hide 
around the saddle, and softening the harder spots can help.

YMMV

Michael

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[RBW] Re: Welcome to Portland, Zack

[Mike]

Welcome to Portland Zack! Yet another Rivendell bike and rider to look for 
out on the road.

Andy, it's a long ways away for me but I think next April we'll need to 
arrange another Wasco County Riv Ramble/Exploration.

--mike

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[RBW] FS: 59c A. Homer Hilsen

[PeterG]

Still for sale.

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[RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Tom Virgil]

*Please be careful out there.*

I know this is sensitive as a beloved member of the group was lost shortly 
before my joining.

This unfortunate 
incidentoccurred
 on the route that would be taken by a San Diegan riding to or from 
the upcoming S24O at San Mateo.  It is in an area of Camp Pendelton (Stuart 
Mesa Road) that I consider quite safe.  A reminder to keep your awareness 
up at all times.

Godspeed to the cyclist and prayers for his surviving spouse and associates.

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> SoCal Rivesters,
>
> I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near 
> San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's 
> home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
> meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
> the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
> few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
> jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
> date before the Labor Day weekend. 
>
> Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so 
> I need a count quick before I reserve it. 
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> ~Hugh 
>

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Re: [RBW] Welcome to Portland, Zack

[Aaron Young]

Welcome to the area Zack. I just moved from Vancouver, WA and am going to
miss being so close to Portland. I am moving to The Dalles, OR so I will
still be able to make to a PDX Riv ride now and then.  Also, I can help
with another Wasco county ramble.

Aaron Young,
In between WA and OR

On Saturday, August 10, 2013, Mike wrote:

> Welcome to Portland Zack! Yet another Rivendell bike and rider to look for
> out on the road.
>
> Andy, it's a long ways away for me but I think next April we'll need to
> arrange another Wasco County Riv Ramble/Exploration.
>
> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone done a metric century or longer on Albas?

[Chris Halasz]

Had upside down albas on the Bleriot. 

CCame to prefer them on a 650b Trek conversion project. 

Going to be trying albastaches next in the Bombadil. 

http://m.flickr.com/lightbox?id=3456027280

Chris 
Tucson,AZ (soon). 

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Re: [RBW] Brooks Flyer quick fix please

[cyclotourist]

It sounds like there is a left/right adjustment you could make that
could help out. It would relieve the pressure off of one side, and put
more support on the other. Don't put a Brooks saddle in
water/oven/anything else (apologies to Lon).

On 8/10/13, Michael Rivers  wrote:
> I find that there are two adjustments I need to make to Brooks saddles when
> I first put them on a bike.  Everyone knows about the up and down tilt that
> depends on how high your hands are in relation to the saddle.  Equally
> important to me is the slight side to side adjustment of the nose which can
> depend on both my slightly assymetric hindquarters, as well as the break in
> of the leather.  I usually tweek the saddle position as often as every 100
> miles for the first 500.
>
> Another trick is to add Proofhide (or LL Bean waterproof boot wax which is
> what I use) on the side that is a bit stiff.  There is variability in the
> hide around the saddle, and softening the harder spots can help.
>
> YMMV
>
> Michael
>
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[RBW] Portland: Eastside triple bump tour?

[velomann]

Can't today. Plans for the music millennium customer appreciation barbecue ( 
not to be missed!) when are you thinking?

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

[Kellie Stapleton]

the art on the box almost makes me want to buy another Rivendell!

On Friday, August 9, 2013 3:59:26 AM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> It isn't a frame photo, but here's the art that was on my bike box: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9472311564/
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:29:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled 
>> about completing the build. I'm looking forward to many great rides 
>> together. 
>>
>> There's just one thing: I've never actually paid attention to frame size 
>> before, so when I took Betty out of her very well-packed box, I was a 
>> little surprised by how small she is. I ordered the 55cm size as 
>> recommended by Keven, but she looks so small without all of parts. 
>>
>> Is this normal? Should I measure her just to be sure? 
>>
>> Cecily
>> Vancouver, BC
>>
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[RBW] Re: New blug question

[Kellie Stapleton]

Wanna see some great POV cycling videos, check out CoastKid, from Scotland.
http://coastkid.blogspot.com

On Monday, August 5, 2013 5:29:04 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> First off, really like the video.  Does a great job of showing how a 
> person can ride knowing the route like the back of a hand.  Although will 
> admit to being shocked (shocked, I say) that the bike actually has drop 
> bars.  On a Rivendell?  These days?
>  
> But the question - who is performing the music?  Really like the song.
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
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[RBW] Re: New blug question

[BSWP]

Fun ride, fun roads. I caught a few things, like how quickly the rider got 
up Pinehurst (!), and when the missing beer bottle reappeared, empty, it 
could only mean that it was being carried in a bottle cage on the frame - 
perfect! Also, it had never occurred to me that interrupters, mounted up 
flat like that, would work so well as thumb brakes. I'll consider that next 
time I wrap the Noodles.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, August 5, 2013 5:29:04 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> First off, really like the video.  Does a great job of showing how a 
> person can ride knowing the route like the back of a hand.  Although will 
> admit to being shocked (shocked, I say) that the bike actually has drop 
> bars.  On a Rivendell?  These days?
>  
> But the question - who is performing the music?  Really like the song.
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

[Cecily Walker]

I'm already scheming on how I can get another one. I need to get over my 
fear of diamond frame bicycles. 

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:47:48 AM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote:
>
> the art on the box almost makes me want to buy another Rivendell!
>

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[RBW] Re: Welcome to Portland, Zack

[Zack]

Indeed was a great time, fun ride, a true welcome to portland.  Look 
forward to riding more and meeting more of you that live here.  Great place 
to ride!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

[Anne Paulson]

Cecily, with your gorgeous wonderful Betty, you don't actually "need"
to get over your fear of diamond frame bikes. You are going to have a
wonderful bike that lets you do a zillion bike things. If you never
ride a diamond-frame bike, so what?

I suspect that as you ride your Betty, you are going to get more
comfortable, and you'll find that types of cycling you now have some
trepidation about-- which might be for example, riding on gravel,
riding down steep hills, riding up steep hills, or other scary bikey
things-- will become less scary, and this might include riding a
diamond-framed bike too. For me, taking it easy and trying new things
gradually works better than forcing myself; that might be true for you
too.

I also find, and you might too, that riding with other people inspires
me to go a little beyond my comfort zone (for example, er, riding down
a long rocky muddy singletrack, ahem). It's important, though, to find
like-minded riders who don't sneer at your bike and are comfortable
riding at your pace.

Looking forward to hearing about how your bike works out.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Cecily Walker  wrote:
> I'm already scheming on how I can get another one. I need to get over my
> fear of diamond frame bicycles.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:47:48 AM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote:
>>
>> the art on the box almost makes me want to buy another Rivendell!
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Re: [RBW] Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

[Hugh Smitham]

Phillip best ever.

~Hugh

Hugh
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> That is, without a doubt, the best intro message subject ever. I may steal
> it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone done a metric century or longer on Albas?

[Edwin W]

I ride all around on a b17 with Albas. I don't go that far usually, but when I 
did 35 or so recently... slowly so there was a lot of time in the saddle, hour 
4 (I said slowly) felt better than hour 1!
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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[hangtownmatt]

I've lived in and around Sacramento most of my life.  Steve Rex "IS" the 
golden image of custom bicycles around these parts.  If my 10 year old 
bicycle was sent to him for warranty repair and/or paint I'd be doing 
cartwheels!

Matt

On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:06:44 PM UTC-7, chris wrote:
>
>
>
> Other lacking customer service was at the start of the repair when Riv 
> said that they would send the bike to Bernie Mikkelsen for the repair and a 
> few days later Riv said the bike would go to Steve Rex. When I asked for a 
> clarification Riv responded that I could go ahead with Bernie if I chose 
> but Steve Rex is dependable. I wouldn't question their recommendation, so 
> why turn it into a selection on my part?
>
>
> Chris
> San Jose
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[hangtownmatt]

I forgot to mention that if you want to check him out here's his website:

http://www.rexcycles.com/

Matt

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:26:45 AM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>
> I've lived in and around Sacramento most of my life.  Steve Rex "IS" the 
> golden image of custom bicycles around these parts.  If my 10 year old 
> bicycle was sent to him for warranty repair and/or paint I'd be doing 
> cartwheels!
>
> Matt
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:06:44 PM UTC-7, chris wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Other lacking customer service was at the start of the repair when Riv 
>> said that they would send the bike to Bernie Mikkelsen for the repair and a 
>> few days later Riv said the bike would go to Steve Rex. When I asked for a 
>> clarification Riv responded that I could go ahead with Bernie if I chose 
>> but Steve Rex is dependable. I wouldn't question their recommendation, so 
>> why turn it into a selection on my part?
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> San Jose
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

[Deacon Patrick]

Beautifully said, Anne!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:11:38 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Cecily, with your gorgeous wonderful Betty, you don't actually "need" 
> to get over your fear of diamond frame bikes. You are going to have a 
> wonderful bike that lets you do a zillion bike things. If you never 
> ride a diamond-frame bike, so what? 
>
> I suspect that as you ride your Betty, you are going to get more 
> comfortable, and you'll find that types of cycling you now have some 
> trepidation about-- which might be for example, riding on gravel, 
> riding down steep hills, riding up steep hills, or other scary bikey 
> things-- will become less scary, and this might include riding a 
> diamond-framed bike too. For me, taking it easy and trying new things 
> gradually works better than forcing myself; that might be true for you 
> too. 
>
> I also find, and you might too, that riding with other people inspires 
> me to go a little beyond my comfort zone (for example, er, riding down 
> a long rocky muddy singletrack, ahem). It's important, though, to find 
> like-minded riders who don't sneer at your bike and are comfortable 
> riding at your pace. 
>
> Looking forward to hearing about how your bike works out. 
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Cecily Walker 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > I'm already scheming on how I can get another one. I need to get over my 
> > fear of diamond frame bicycles. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:47:48 AM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: 
> >> 
> >> the art on the box almost makes me want to buy another Rivendell! 
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[RBW] OT: Japanese bed (shikibuton)

[Bobish]

I'm seeking opinions and info on traditional Japanese beds. I've been sleeping 
on the floor for years (on a memory foam pad sitting atop a rug). I thought of 
it as an experiment and bought the cheapest memory foam I could find (basically 
a bare 3" thick slab) with the intention of upgrading--or going back to regular 
bed if the experiment went bust. Well, it turned so well I never replaced the 
foam pad. But now I'm interested in a Japanese bed and would love to hear from 
anyone here (off list, please) who has experience with such. I see that there 
are variations in the bedding style and materials...and on whether it sits on 
the floor or on a frame or tatami mat. I know there is plenty of info on the 
net but I figure I'd shoot this out just in case there is a bob-er rbw-er who 
has 2 cents to throw down.

• Perry 

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[RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

[Kellie Stapleton]

I live near Rivendell and was able to pick up my new Sam Hillborne (Feb.), 
hence no opportunity for bike box art!

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:42:04 AM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I'm already scheming on how I can get another one. I need to get over my 
> fear of diamond frame bicycles. 
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:47:48 AM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote:
>>
>> the art on the box almost makes me want to buy another Rivendell!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[cyclotourist]

If we're going to do an 11:00 meet up, I might just have to take the
day off work!
That would be awful...

On 8/9/13, dougP  wrote:
> 11 AM is a bit early for lunch but an excellent time start a ride.  An
> interesting half-way point is:
>
> http://www.capistranodepot.com/
>
> which has patio seating, convenient for keeping an eye on the bike.
> Sarducci's has been there forever & does a nice job.  If we leave the
> Irvine Amtrak we'd be there in roughly 1.5-2 hours.   A leisurely lunch &
> we'd be at San Mateo mid-late afternoon.
>
> We need a final head count & ETAs from others so we can finalize the plan.
>
> I like the 11:00 AM at Irvine Amtrak but can be flexible on that if Jim,
> David, et al need something later.  OTH, we don't all have to travel every
> mile together.  "Same highway, buddy" system works too.  Everyone who
> intends to go should speak up with their plans / constraints / desires /
> etc.
>
> Jim & David:  let me know if you need help with timing & routing.  Absolute
>
> worst case is park in Tustin, hop on Metrolink to San Clemente & meet us at
>
> camp.  And that's pretty easy.
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:44:35 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I like the way you think. Cause I was thinking the same. Yet since I don't
>>
>> know Squat about Irvine I do a search of places and sure Doug can
>> recommend
>> something good.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> -Hugh
>> On Aug 9, 2013 7:57 PM, "Mike Schiller"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!
>>>
>>>   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the
>>> afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that
>>>
>>> arrives at 1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales
>>>
>>> nearby?
>>>
>>>  ~mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Shifting Issues Question for the Mechanic Types

[Johnny Alien]

I was able to adjust the FD and now it shifts perfectly.  For the record 
there were two issues at play here.

1.  The FD was not adjust correctly.  It wasn't even close...I have no idea 
why it was this far out of whack.
2.  The shifters needed to be tightened.

The second issue is apparently very common and as noted it will need to be 
re-tightened from time to time.  RIvendell said they have though about 
including info that it would most likely need to be done and I have since 
told them that is a very good idea.  I actually question why, if they know 
it's a common issue, they would still only be "thinking" about including 
this info.

The first issue is actually what caused my chain suck. The worst part is 
that because it was not done right and because it caused chain suck the 
paint on my chainstay is severely messed up.  I am not someone who babies 
their bikes and wear is OK but when you get the paint destroyed on a $2500 
bike within the first 2-5 miles because of an assembly error it puts a sour 
taste in your mouth. I let them know that I was displeased but never heard 
anything back even as far as an apology.  When buying a Rivendell you agree 
to pay a premium for alot of parts as well and part of all of that is you 
expect pretty much the best the whole way down the line.

Things happen and I won't dwell on it but I did want to let people know 
that even though it is coming from Riv please do a full checkup of every 
part before taking it out.  Their assembly after shipping video does not 
mention anything past putting it together and while that may be OK for most 
people in my case I would have saved some heartache had I know to check out 
all the shifting as well.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[dougP]

Tough duty, David, but I think you're up to it.  You & Hugh can do a 
"dueling cameras" thing.  

dougP

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:36:51 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> If we're going to do an 11:00 meet up, I might just have to take the 
> day off work! 
> That would be awful... 
>
> On 8/9/13, dougP > wrote: 
> > 11 AM is a bit early for lunch but an excellent time start a ride.  An 
> > interesting half-way point is: 
> > 
> > http://www.capistranodepot.com/ 
> > 
> > which has patio seating, convenient for keeping an eye on the bike. 
> > Sarducci's has been there forever & does a nice job.  If we leave the 
> > Irvine Amtrak we'd be there in roughly 1.5-2 hours.   A leisurely lunch 
> & 
> > we'd be at San Mateo mid-late afternoon. 
> > 
> > We need a final head count & ETAs from others so we can finalize the 
> plan. 
> > 
> > I like the 11:00 AM at Irvine Amtrak but can be flexible on that if Jim, 
> > David, et al need something later.  OTH, we don't all have to travel 
> every 
> > mile together.  "Same highway, buddy" system works too.  Everyone who 
> > intends to go should speak up with their plans / constraints / desires / 
> > etc. 
> > 
> > Jim & David:  let me know if you need help with timing & routing. 
>  Absolute 
> > 
> > worst case is park in Tustin, hop on Metrolink to San Clemente & meet us 
> at 
> > 
> > camp.  And that's pretty easy. 
> > 
> > dougP 
> > 
> > On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:44:35 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Mike, 
> >> 
> >> I like the way you think. Cause I was thinking the same. Yet since I 
> don't 
> >> 
> >> know Squat about Irvine I do a search of places and sure Doug can 
> >> recommend 
> >> something good. 
> >> 
> >> Best, 
> >> 
> >> -Hugh 
> >> On Aug 9, 2013 7:57 PM, "Mike Schiller" 
> >> > 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you 
> guys! 
> >>> 
> >>>   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the 
> >>> afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner 
> that 
> >>> 
> >>> arrives at 1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted 
> ales 
> >>> 
> >>> nearby? 
> >>> 
> >>>  ~mike 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese bed (shikibuton)

[IanA]

Not really sure if this is off-list for RBW?  I'd actually like to read the 
thread if is considered "on" and gathers steam.  Deacon Patrick's recent 
post about living without conventional western furniture (Bleriot/Dumpster 
thread) really fascinates me this seems an extension of the same.  

Ian A

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:57:41 PM UTC-6, bobish wrote:
>
> I'm seeking opinions and info on traditional Japanese beds. I've been 
> sleeping on the floor for years (on a memory foam pad sitting atop a rug). 
> I thought of it as an experiment and bought the cheapest memory foam I 
> could find (basically a bare 3" thick slab) with the intention of 
> upgrading--or going back to regular bed if the experiment went bust. Well, 
> it turned so well I never replaced the foam pad. But now I'm interested in 
> a Japanese bed and would love to hear from anyone here (off list, please) 
> who has experience with such. I see that there are variations in the 
> bedding style and materials...and on whether it sits on the floor or on a 
> frame or tatami mat. I know there is plenty of info on the net but I figure 
> I'd shoot this out just in case there is a bob-er rbw-er who has 2 cents to 
> throw down. 
>
> • Perry 

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[RBW] Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?

[shawn m.]

Right now, I run either a Large Saddlesack or panniers on a Nitto Big Rear 
Rack on my 54cm Hunqapillar, with a basket on a mini front for a little 
extra weight in front, and it works pretty good. But I'm curious if I 
wouldn't be happier with a Big Front Rack with panniers and a basket. Can 
anyone share there experience with this kind of load? I feel like I want 
more weight up front, more than I'm comfortable with putting on the 
Mini-Front, and I want the weight a bit lower, too. I'd probably keep the 
Big Rack in back for longer trips. I'm curious as to how it handles, both 
loaded and unloaded. 

Anyone run a setup like this?

Thanks,
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA (Fremont)

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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese bed (shikibuton)

[Deacon Patrick]

Ian, the "on topic" connection, if it rises to such lofty heights, is found 
in the benefits I've experienced by eschewing cushioned, supportive 
furniture. I never stretch yet am lithe and limber. My neck, shoulders, 
back, and legs no longer hold on to aches or stiffness as they always did 
pre-floor living. In my mind this fits into the same category as over 
supportive, last-shaped, high-heeled foot binding devices, er, shoes 
(nearly all shoes are high-heeled). Going without them leads to my body 
being stronger and functioning the way God made it to function. The 
transition can take a long time (unlearning bad habits of motion and 
posture often do), but the benefits begin right away and ramp up from there.

I emailed Perry with details of what we sleep on, but off list as requested.

WIth abandon,
Patrick 

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:53:51 PM UTC-6, IanA wrote:
>
> Not really sure if this is off-list for RBW?  I'd actually like to read 
> the thread if is considered "on" and gathers steam.  Deacon Patrick's 
> recent post about living without conventional western furniture 
> (Bleriot/Dumpster thread) really fascinates me this seems an extension of 
> the same.  
>
> Ian A
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:57:41 PM UTC-6, bobish wrote:
>>
>> I'm seeking opinions and info on traditional Japanese beds. I've been 
>> sleeping on the floor for years (on a memory foam pad sitting atop a rug). 
>> I thought of it as an experiment and bought the cheapest memory foam I 
>> could find (basically a bare 3" thick slab) with the intention of 
>> upgrading--or going back to regular bed if the experiment went bust. Well, 
>> it turned so well I never replaced the foam pad. But now I'm interested in 
>> a Japanese bed and would love to hear from anyone here (off list, please) 
>> who has experience with such. I see that there are variations in the 
>> bedding style and materials...and on whether it sits on the floor or on a 
>> frame or tatami mat. I know there is plenty of info on the net but I figure 
>> I'd shoot this out just in case there is a bob-er rbw-er who has 2 cents to 
>> throw down. 
>>
>> • Perry 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New blug question

[islaysteve]

That's great.  I saw Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks the night before last in 
Annapolis, MD.  Full disclosure, me sister-in-law, Roberta Donnay, is a 
"lickette," she sings backup with Daria at the Dan Hicks shows.  They are a 
riot, well worth seeing on so many levels.  It blows my mind that i was 
listening to Dan when i was in college, and now this connection.  Since I'm 
shamelessly plugging, Roberta is an awesome singer in her own right.  She's in 
the Bay Area and her 20s jazz album, "A Little Sugar" is attracting a lot of 
attention. Check her out.  Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: New blug question

[Deacon Patrick]

IslaySteve: what's your Islay connection? Islay, Scotland, I presume?

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:46:37 PM UTC-6, islaysteve wrote:
>
> That's great.  I saw Dan Hicks and His Hot Licks the night before last in 
> Annapolis, MD.  Full disclosure, me sister-in-law, Roberta Donnay, is a 
> "lickette," she sings backup with Daria at the Dan Hicks shows.  They are a 
> riot, well worth seeing on so many levels.  It blows my mind that i was 
> listening to Dan when i was in college, and now this connection.  Since I'm 
> shamelessly plugging, Roberta is an awesome singer in her own right.  She's 
> in the Bay Area and her 20s jazz album, "A Little Sugar" is attracting a 
> lot of attention. Check her out.  Cheers!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Manny thought mine was Miles's work, but I think he's moved on from Riv -- 
maybe they're a group effort?



On Aug 9, 2013, at 11:06 PM, "Tom Virgil" 
mailto:tevir...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you for that, Pudge.  I am going to try to sign up and get my foot in the 
door at the Rivendell Box Art group.  I hope Cecily does so as well, as hers is 
very cool.

I had my Sam redirected to the UPS store and got some raised eyebrows over that 
artwork in the store.  The artwork was a surprise to me and I got a kick out of 
it.  It was a cool personal touch.

Now, I wonder.  Who is this person, or persons that does/do this?  Wonder if we 
could get Kevin at Riv (he posts here) to tell us and roll over on them .  I 
would like to express my gratitude.   Or is it to become an inexplicable part 
of the Rivendell bicycle magic?

I am admiring Cecily's restraint at this point.  Once I opened my very well 
packed Sam in the foam and bubble wrap, there was no way I was not going to 
start finishing the build.

Best regards,

Tom



On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:51:55 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
Somebody has: 
http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwboxart/pool/with/7734585144/#photo_7734585144


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I think the art on my box is identical. I will take a photo tonight. Someone 
should start a photo collection of the box art.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New blug question

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/10/2013 06:12 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

IslaySteve: what's your Islay connection? Islay, Scotland, I presume?


or, perhaps, the malts distilled there?  ;-)


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Re: [RBW] Re: New blug question

[Deacon Patrick]

Talk about a great ride! Port Ellen up the coast for a tour at each of my 
favorite distilleries (Laughroaig, Lagavulin, Ardbeg, saving the best for 
last). Good thing the road was well curved, as we'd've ridden off a 
straight one with all that great whiskey in us. Horrid, falling apart hired 
bicycles. Used a dry sone wall to put my handlebars back on right (no 
tools). We thought we had only three more miles to go after Ardbeg, but it 
turns out the BnB was the other side of the island, so we had 17 miles 
still to go. Oops. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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> On 08/10/2013 06:12 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> > IslaySteve: what's your Islay connection? Islay, Scotland, I presume? 
>
> or, perhaps, the malts distilled there?  ;-) 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[Ken Mattina]

I'm not saying anything I'll just let you cry yourself to sleep.


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 8:06 PM, chris  wrote:

> My Rambouillet (only road bike) has now been gone for repair going on 8
> weeks and I was told a couple of weeks ago that the bike had been shipped
> from the frame repair shop to the painter. When I found out that the bike
> had been shipped to the painter I asked if it would be possible to pick it
> up in Sacramento (bike was repaired there and I was going to Sacto for the
> day) and Riv said that it was in Chico with no mention of the fact the
> painter never acknowledged receipt and was not answering phone calls so
> they speculate that he might be on vacation. Getting the whole story took
> numerous emails.
>
> Unfortunately, I haven't had a very good experience dealing with Riv. I
> rarely received repair updates unless I constantly emailed them and the
> final straw was the painting.
>
> Other lacking customer service was at the start of the repair when Riv
> said that they would send the bike to Bernie Mikkelsen for the repair and a
> few days later Riv said the bike would go to Steve Rex. When I asked for a
> clarification Riv responded that I could go ahead with Bernie if I chose
> but Steve Rex is dependable. I wouldn't question their recommendation, so
> why turn it into a selection on my part?
>
> Riv also asked at the beginning if I had another bike to which I responded
> I did not and no offer of a replacement so why ask? However, after
> complaining directly to Grant about the painting I got an offer of a
> replacement bike. However, no direct response from Grant. Offer came from
> an employee. Riv is a small company so why wouldn't Grant respond himself?
>
> I'm pleased that Riv stands behind their products by doing the repair for
> free, but the customer service was somewhat lacking.
>
> Chris
> San Jose
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:
>>
>> I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain
>> stay broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram
>> new in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and
>> spoke to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me
>> today regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local
>> builder.  Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on
>> frames.
>>
>> Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved
>> the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.
>>
>> Chris
>> San Jose
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[RBW] Interesting sights and creating abstract art with Sam

[bwphoto]

Yesterday I did my usual 30 mile loop which included a stop at Lake Nokomis 
beach for a snack and a few photos. When I headed out I started hearing 
funny beep, which at first I thought was my Garmin, so I fiddled with it 
and it's connection and the beep seemed to stop but I was still trying to 
figure out what it was. A few minutes later it returned beeping several 
times as I hit some bumps. So I started thinking it was related to 
something on the bike or on me that was getting jarred, then it stopped 
only to resume again. Since the Sam was handling just fine and the only 
electronic thing I could think of was my Garmin I thought I'd just chalk it 
up to mystery and switched my attention back to the road ignoring the beeps 
altogether.

A few blocks down the road I noticed a photo-op so I pulled over and pulled 
out my phone which proceeded to beep at me in no uncertain terms while 
presenting me with a vast collection of abstract shots and video of the 
inside of my left pant pocket. It looked like I forgot to completely close 
the app and it just went on it's merry way making it's own abstract photos.

The kayak trailer was parked in a rack along the bike path leading to Ft. 
Snelling. Seems like an awkward load given the foot traffic and tight turns 
on this particular bike path. Here are the pictures to prove it: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/sets/72157635012591397



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[RBW] Re: Welcome to Portland, Zack

[Zack]

A highlight not captured in the pics was Andy saying "we just got passed by the 
squeaky Peugeot."  Squeaky Peugeot guy was movin. Didn't seem like he was 
stopping to eat blackberries along the way.  

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[RBW] Re: Friction Brifter?

[Chris Andress]

Coincidentally, saw a review for the Retroshift shifters on Urban Velo:
http://urbanvelo.org/retroshift-cx2-brakeshift-levers/


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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hi Tom,

I plan on riding back to San Diego on Saturday after our shenanigans.
Would be great to ride with others.


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Made and confirmed my Amtrak ticket arriving in Irvine 10:53 am.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Hugh
> Sunland, Ca
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards
>> to the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so
>> you're welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous
>> and sauve. Here is the camp info:
>>
>> CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
>> SITE:SM117
>> SITE TYPE:STANDARD
>> LOOP:San Mateo Sites 101-140
>> STATE:California
>> REGION:Southern Division
>> ARRIVAL DATE:Fri Aug 23 2013
>> DEPARTURE DATE:Sat Aug 24 2013
>> LENGTH OF STAY:1
>> PRIMARY OCCUPANT:HUGH SMITHAM
>> # OF OCCUPANTS:8
>> EQUIPMENT:Tent(1)
>> # OF VEHICLES:3
>> CHECK-IN TIME:2:00 PM
>> CHECK-OUT TIME:12:00 PM
>> Thanks for asking  what I paid. I paid $43.00,  $35.00 for the site + $
>> 8.00 for the service fee. If you feel like contributing great if not I'm
>> not going to make a big deal just glad folks are into this S240 thingy.
>> I've decided to head North on Saturday and will catch the 5:45 pm train
>> home so have lots of time to lolly gag. Really looking forward to riding
>> and camping with you all.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugh
>> Sunland, Ca
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Tom Virgil  wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell Hugh,
>>>
>>> I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to
>>> getting there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and
>>> see your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of
>>> contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several
>>> Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for
>>> me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot
>>> commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the
>>> transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal
>>> with dark if I do it later).
>>>
>>> I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I
>>> don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a
>>> largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into
>>> civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required
>>> to ensure restful sleep.
>>>
>>> I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would
>>> like to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride
>>> slow.  un-racer.
>>>
>>> Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get
>>> there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?
>>>
>>> I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about
>>> these bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you
>>> that turn out.
>>>
>>> Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened
>>> to wife).  Perhaps we should create a "proof that it happened" clump on
>>> flickr and post so other folks can enjoy.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis & Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David
 Estes, Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to
 meet in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting,
 Mitch has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that
 his ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking
 with 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the "No Tools" trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside?
 I need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends
 in Oceanside & Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
>> time. 

Re: [RBW] FS: Riv Wooly warm T's, Brooks saddle covers, Thompson seatpost, White Industries chainring and tool

[jimmy johnsen]

Hurry if you want the wool T. You are first on the list but I have gotten 4 
more yes's on the T.
 


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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2013 12:59 PM
Subject: [RBW] FS: Riv Wooly warm T's, Brooks saddle covers, Thompson seatpost, 
White Industries chainring and tool
  

I will snag the small shirt if available . Thanks , evan 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Waterford Hillborne frameset, lots of Riv-related parts and bits

[gordo]

Silver shifters and cockpit are no longer available.  I will post pictures 
of the Miyata frameset shortly.  Thanks for those who have expressed 
interest - please feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Eric

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:37:47 PM UTC-7, gordo wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Grad school is starting in two weeks and I need to move some things to pay 
> for books.  I'd really prefer to sell the Hillborne and Miyata framesets, 
> as well as the  wheels locally (I'm in San Francisco).  Everything else can 
> be shipped if need be - please add $5 to cover shipping (we can works 
> something out for multiple items).  Pictures of most items can be found 
> here: 
> http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/gordo2231/library/grad%20school%20sale%20bike%20parts?page=1
>
> The list:
>
> 1) 56 cm orange Rivendell Sam Hillborne frame/fork/headset/bottom 
> bracket/Kalloy seatpost. Built by Waterford (double top tube model with 
> cantilever posts). Paint has issues - lots of non-matching touch-up paint 
> and a few decent scratches provided by previous owner. The frame is 
> straight and dent/crack-free with about 2,500 miles on it. - $700 
>
> 2) Brooks B67 Aged saddle (brown) with maybe 100 miles on it - $80
>
> 3) Rivendell Silver bar-end shifters - $50
>
> 4) Tektro R536 sidepull brakes with recessed mounts (appear to have been 
> mounted and barely used) - $30 
>
> 5) Rivendell Silver sidepull brakes with recessed mounts - just checked 
> and the pads have plenty of life left - $60
>
> 6) Nitto Technomic 110 mm quill stem with 26 mm clamp - $35
>
> 7) daVinci shifter cable splitter set-up - new in bag - $25
>
> 8) Cockpit: Nitto technomic 90 mm stem with 26 mm clamp, 44 cm Nitto 
> Noodle handlebars, Silver bar-ends and Shimano Tiagra aero levers wrapped 
> in very well-used Toshi leather tape: $125 local sale or $140 shipped
>
> 9) Front wheel - SON dynamo hub (older style no longer made in 32-hole 
> configuration) laced to 700c Velocity Dyad 32-hole rim with rimtape and 
> locking skewer (handbuilt with very low mileage): $250
>
> 10) Front wheel - Shimano LX 36-hole front hub laced to 700c Velocity Dyad 
> rim with rim tape and Shimano quick-release skewer (handbuilt and very 
> lightly used): $75
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Curtis McKenzie]

Mike, you said the magic words "hand crafted ales". I will be on the 11
train into Irvine. Time for some research into Irvine brews.

On Friday, August 9, 2013, Mike Schiller wrote:

> Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!
>   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the
> afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that
> arrives at 1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales
> nearby?
>
>  ~mike
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Curtis McKenzie]

There is the Anthill pub on/near the UCI campus. Sounds like they have a
good selection of liquid carbohydrates. May be full of college kids. It is
north of the train station eight or nine miles.

On Friday, August 9, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I like the way you think. Cause I was thinking the same. Yet since I don't
> know Squat about Irvine I do a search of places and sure Doug can recommend
> something good.
>
> Best,
>
> -Hugh
> On Aug 9, 2013 7:57 PM, "Mike Schiller" 
>  'mikeybi...@rocketmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!
>>   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the
>> afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that
>> arrives at 1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales
>> nearby?
>>
>>  ~mike
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Any last suggestions before I have to throw my Bleriot in a dumpster?

[blueride2]

I don't want this problem. I didn't look for it.
It just happened.

I feel for you. I've had extensive back surgery involving titanium rods, cages, 
and screws. It kept me from riding for a full year, but all is well now. 
Sometime recovery just takes time.You can't push it much. As others have said, 
physical therapy can help. Core exercises help, but mostly just time.

All the best, and keep the bike!

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[RBW] Re: Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar

[Ozonation]

Thanks for all the replies. Well, it looks like I'll go for the Albatross 
or the Bosco Bullmoose. Now I've got to decide which will serve me 
better... 

RBW also suggested the Albastache, but I figure it's probably a bit too 
similar to my current moustache on the Sam. 



On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:58:56 PM UTC-4, Ozonation wrote:
>
> I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar
>
> I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache bars and it's great, but 
> would not mind some more hand positions. I was very intrigued by the Salsa 
> Fargo and its woodchipper drop bars. I do not plan on doing excessively 
> long tours - mostly day long trips of several hours at a time. I was 
> thinking of trying *drop bars* on the Hunqapillar.
>
> However, when I ride with my wife, she prefers a more leisurely ride, and 
> this is where the moustache bars I found a bit less comfortable because I 
> just really want to go faster. So, I was thinking of a more *MTB style or 
> Nitto Bullmoose bar* to be a bit more upright. If I take the bike on 
> rougher trails, I would think something like *Nitto Bullmoose* bars (more 
> MTB style) would be best.
>
> I hadn't really consider the *Nitto Albatross *bars - how long are they 
> for longer distances and rougher trails? I have noticed that a lot of 
> Hunqapillar riders use the Albatross bars, and it has gotten a lot of good 
> reviews. And Rivendell even features a rider on mountain trails using what 
> looks like an Albatross bar on one of its videos! 
>
> Some swear by another one, the *Nitto Bosco Bullmoose *bar, which sort of 
> lends the above. 
>
> Any opinions on what handle bar best serves me in all situations? 
> Albatross? Other? 
>
> Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Greetings - 64 cm Atlantis?

[Paul Germain]

Dear Tony(s),
I have a PBH of 863cm and ride a 61cm Atlantis - the tallest of all my bikes. 
I'm 6' with a long torso. I feel at home on it. The stand over is a tight fit, 
but works fine for gravel & pavement, but I would not do rough off-road with 
it. I think the top tube on the Atlantis is a bit (one-cm?) shorter than other 
Rivs, so you might factor that in. It's more important to me than stand over.


Paul Germain
Midlothian, VA




Tonester  Aug 05 09:22AM -0700  

A few thoughts: I'm 6'3" with a 91pbh, short torsoed. I would have "fit" 
on a 64c but chose a 62c for a couple of reasons: the top tube was 
slightly shorter and fit by reach better and I wanted a bit more stand 
over. If you've done any challenging off-loading, you'll have experienced 
the need to hop off the pedals and touch down on uneven ground. If the 
bike is on ground higher than where your feet land, a bit more standover 
can be more uh. accommodating? I'm also running 40c tires so that adds 
to the equation somewhat. On the road or light duty trails it's less of an 
issue. I think in the end what you'll be comfortable on depends on your 
riding needs will be.
 
Given what's been shared on this thread, I'd be inclined to look for a 
trade for a 62c.
 
On Saturday, August 3, 2013 8:53:39 PM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:

 

Tony DeFilippo  Aug 05 11:39AM -0700  

Tonester - your post echo's what I've been thinking exactly... particularly 
the coming down on uneven ground bit. Nice to hear from someone in the 
same pbh range, I appreciate the comment! I'm going to hold off till I get 
a chance to chat with the Riv guys but you may be seeing a WTT up soon...
 
Tony
 


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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Waterford Hillborne frameset, lots of Riv-related parts and bits

[gordo]

Silver shifters, Tektro R536 brakes and cockpit are no longer available. 
 Prices for the other parts (excluding wheels and frames) now include 
shipping!


On Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:37:47 PM UTC-7, gordo wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Grad school is starting in two weeks and I need to move some things to pay 
> for books.  I'd really prefer to sell the Hillborne and Miyata framesets, 
> as well as the  wheels locally (I'm in San Francisco).  Everything else can 
> be shipped if need be - please add $5 to cover shipping (we can works 
> something out for multiple items).  Pictures of most items can be found 
> here: 
> http://s1146.photobucket.com/user/gordo2231/library/grad%20school%20sale%20bike%20parts?page=1
>
> The list:
>
> 1) 56 cm orange Rivendell Sam Hillborne frame/fork/headset/bottom 
> bracket/Kalloy seatpost. Built by Waterford (double top tube model with 
> cantilever posts). Paint has issues - lots of non-matching touch-up paint 
> and a few decent scratches provided by previous owner. The frame is 
> straight and dent/crack-free with about 2,500 miles on it. - $700 
>
> 2) Brooks B67 Aged saddle (brown) with maybe 100 miles on it - $80
>
> 3) Rivendell Silver bar-end shifters - $50
>
> 4) Tektro R536 sidepull brakes with recessed mounts (appear to have been 
> mounted and barely used) - $30 
>
> 5) Rivendell Silver sidepull brakes with recessed mounts - just checked 
> and the pads have plenty of life left - $60
>
> 6) Nitto Technomic 110 mm quill stem with 26 mm clamp - $35
>
> 7) daVinci shifter cable splitter set-up - new in bag - $25
>
> 8) Cockpit: Nitto technomic 90 mm stem with 26 mm clamp, 44 cm Nitto 
> Noodle handlebars, Silver bar-ends and Shimano Tiagra aero levers wrapped 
> in very well-used Toshi leather tape: $125 local sale or $140 shipped
>
> 9) Front wheel - SON dynamo hub (older style no longer made in 32-hole 
> configuration) laced to 700c Velocity Dyad 32-hole rim with rimtape and 
> locking skewer (handbuilt with very low mileage): $250
>
> 10) Front wheel - Shimano LX 36-hole front hub laced to 700c Velocity Dyad 
> rim with rim tape and Shimano quick-release skewer (handbuilt and very 
> lightly used): $75
>
>
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[RBW] Long can be good, too

[Paul Germain]

Hey Tony,


You might consider staying at the Harpers Ferry Youth Hostel:


http://www.hiusa.org/harpersferry


(Actually across the tracks from the C&O Towpath in Knoxville, MD - a short 
ride of about a mile.)


$20 bucks for a bunk, showers and breakfast. (Private room & camping available, 
too.)


Great folks and interesting company!


Paul Germain
Midlothian, VA



Tony DeFilippo  Aug 05 11:40AM -0400  

Hey Brian,
 
Thanks, another thing to add to the 'inspection' process I guess. I haven't
put enough miles on a FD to get the outer plate fatigued yet. I'd take
wearing out a piece of gear like that as a kind of satisfying... at least
once I was able to complete the ride at hand!
 
I hear you on the multi-day ride. My own goal in that regard is to do the
~70mile C&O Canal trip from my place to Harpers Ferry, WV... spend the
night in a B&B and then come back. Trying to talk my wife into it!
 
Tony
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[RBW] Re: OT: Japanese bed (shikibuton)

[bobish]

Ian, if you you email me at bobish (you know the provider), I will be happy to 
forward any responses I receive.

• Perry

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Re: [RBW] Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

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O, do I feel your pain Tom. Nothing I post with my (current OS) Apple 
computer EVER posts unless I wait (often days) for Jim to pull out of the group 
firewall. Yet my iPad immediately posts and it uses the identical group 
settings, user name, password, etc. Go figure.

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Japanese bed (shikibuton)

[John Blish]

Hi Perry,

I would also appreciate being kept in the loop with any interesting
responses you receive.  I have started sleeping on the floor and based on
your experience  I will look for some memory foam.

Thanks.

-jb


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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

[Cecily Walker]

Yes, it's the "finding like-minded riders" piece that's missing. I know 
quite a few people who ride, but in terms of their recreational riding, 
they're either Gran Fondo racing cyclists, or randonneurs. I can't keep up 
with either sort, but knowing that there are other like-minded folks from 
Vancouver on this list gives me a good place to start. 

Thanks, Anne. 

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>
> Cecily, with your gorgeous wonderful Betty, you don't actually "need" 
> to get over your fear of diamond frame bikes. You are going to have a 
> wonderful bike that lets you do a zillion bike things. If you never 
> ride a diamond-frame bike, so what? 
>
> I suspect that as you ride your Betty, you are going to get more 
> comfortable, and you'll find that types of cycling you now have some 
> trepidation about-- which might be for example, riding on gravel, 
> riding down steep hills, riding up steep hills, or other scary bikey 
> things-- will become less scary, and this might include riding a 
> diamond-framed bike too. For me, taking it easy and trying new things 
> gradually works better than forcing myself; that might be true for you 
> too. 
>
> I also find, and you might too, that riding with other people inspires 
> me to go a little beyond my comfort zone (for example, er, riding down 
> a long rocky muddy singletrack, ahem). It's important, though, to find 
> like-minded riders who don't sneer at your bike and are comfortable 
> riding at your pace. 
>
> Looking forward to hearing about how your bike works out. 
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Cecily Walker 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > I'm already scheming on how I can get another one. I need to get over my 
> > fear of diamond frame bicycles. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:47:48 AM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote: 
> >> 
> >> the art on the box almost makes me want to buy another Rivendell! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ma Petite Betty

[Anne Paulson]

The Vancouver Bike Club, a recreational (ie, not racing) club has
weekly rides at various levels. Might they be a place to start?

On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 7:39 PM, Cecily Walker  wrote:
> Yes, it's the "finding like-minded riders" piece that's missing. I know
> quite a few people who ride, but in terms of their recreational riding,
> they're either Gran Fondo racing cyclists, or randonneurs. I can't keep up
> with either sort, but knowing that there are other like-minded folks from
> Vancouver on this list gives me a good place to start.
>
> Thanks, Anne.
>
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:11:38 AM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Cecily, with your gorgeous wonderful Betty, you don't actually "need"
>> to get over your fear of diamond frame bikes. You are going to have a
>> wonderful bike that lets you do a zillion bike things. If you never
>> ride a diamond-frame bike, so what?
>>
>> I suspect that as you ride your Betty, you are going to get more
>> comfortable, and you'll find that types of cycling you now have some
>> trepidation about-- which might be for example, riding on gravel,
>> riding down steep hills, riding up steep hills, or other scary bikey
>> things-- will become less scary, and this might include riding a
>> diamond-framed bike too. For me, taking it easy and trying new things
>> gradually works better than forcing myself; that might be true for you
>> too.
>>
>> I also find, and you might too, that riding with other people inspires
>> me to go a little beyond my comfort zone (for example, er, riding down
>> a long rocky muddy singletrack, ahem). It's important, though, to find
>> like-minded riders who don't sneer at your bike and are comfortable
>> riding at your pace.
>>
>> Looking forward to hearing about how your bike works out.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Cecily Walker 
>> wrote:
>> > I'm already scheming on how I can get another one. I need to get over my
>> > fear of diamond frame bicycles.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:47:48 AM UTC-7, Kellie Stapleton wrote:
>> >>
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[RBW] Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?

[Scot Brooks]

Hi Shawn. My current set up on my Sam is a nitto big front rack with huge swift 
industries panniers, and a large saddlesack in the rear. I've gone out like 
this a couple of times so far and I've got no complaints. Last trip we stopped 
and added a six pack to one of my panniers (completely lopsiding the load) and 
I couldn't even tell. 

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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[cyclotourist]

Now I'm really going to have to take the 23rd off!

Good thing it's all down hill to San Clemente from Irvine!

You know, as we're getting there kind of early, we can do a
second-lunch/lupper sortofathing at Pizza Port. I've heard they have
these "hand crafted ales" of which you speak.

We may even end up at Goody's Tavern depending on how things go!

On 8/9/13, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
> Mike, you said the magic words "hand crafted ales". I will be on the 11
> train into Irvine. Time for some research into Irvine brews.
>
> On Friday, August 9, 2013, Mike Schiller wrote:
>
>> Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!
>>   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the
>> afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that
>> arrives at 1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales
>> nearby?
>>
>>  ~mike
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Interesting sights and creating abstract art with Sam

[Cecily Walker]

I love those kinds of happy photographic accidents. Thanks for sharing them 
with us!

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 5:10:43 PM UTC-7, bwphoto wrote:
>
> Yesterday I did my usual 30 mile loop which included a stop at Lake 
> Nokomis beach for a snack and a few photos. When I headed out I started 
> hearing funny beep, which at first I thought was my Garmin, so I fiddled 
> with it and it's connection and the beep seemed to stop but I was still 
> trying to figure out what it was. A few minutes later it returned beeping 
> several times as I hit some bumps. So I started thinking it was related to 
> something on the bike or on me that was getting jarred, then it stopped 
> only to resume again. Since the Sam was handling just fine and the only 
> electronic thing I could think of was my Garmin I thought I'd just chalk it 
> up to mystery and switched my attention back to the road ignoring the beeps 
> altogether.
>
> A few blocks down the road I noticed a photo-op so I pulled over and 
> pulled out my phone which proceeded to beep at me in no uncertain terms 
> while presenting me with a vast collection of abstract shots and video of 
> the inside of my left pant pocket. It looked like I forgot to completely 
> close the app and it just went on it's merry way making it's own abstract 
> photos.
>
> The kayak trailer was parked in a rack along the bike path leading to Ft. 
> Snelling. Seems like an awkward load given the foot traffic and tight turns 
> on this particular bike path. Here are the pictures to prove it: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/billweaverphoto/sets/72157635012591397
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Welcome to Portland, Zack

[cyclotourist]

Is Squeaky Peugeot Guy the PDX equivalent of LA's Lone Wold?

On 8/10/13, Zack  wrote:
> A highlight not captured in the pics was Andy saying "we just got passed by
> the squeaky Peugeot."  Squeaky Peugeot guy was movin. Didn't seem like he
> was stopping to eat blackberries along the way.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New blug question

[Chris Halasz]

Laphrohaig? 

OK, now we're off topic -- but there's something ... Better? 

Cheers, 

Chris 
Tucson, AZ (soon) 

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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[Esteban]

Can someone summarize the details, as I'm having a hard time finding essential 
nuggets of information. I may be able to meet folks in San Clemente?

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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[cyclotourist]

Night of 23rd in San Mateo State Park. http://goo.gl/maps/6fRK9 The
rest is just details...

Northern crew meeting at or about 11:00 in Irvine to ride down. I
haven't been fully paying attention to what the southern contingent is
doing.

You should plan on being there with that bottle of whiskey!



On 8/10/13, Esteban  wrote:
> Can someone summarize the details, as I'm having a hard time finding
> essential nuggets of information. I may be able to meet folks in San
> Clemente?
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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[James Warren]

And maybe the ride will be flat enough for a Quickbeam! (Orange)


On Aug 10, 2013, at 10:58 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Night of 23rd in San Mateo State Park. http://goo.gl/maps/6fRK9 The
> rest is just details...
> 
> Northern crew meeting at or about 11:00 in Irvine to ride down. I
> haven't been fully paying attention to what the southern contingent is
> doing.
> 
> You should plan on being there with that bottle of whiskey!
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/10/13, Esteban  wrote:
>> Can someone summarize the details, as I'm having a hard time finding
>> essential nuggets of information. I may be able to meet folks in San
>> Clemente?
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[RBW] Re: Welcome to Portland, Zack

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Cecily- This fountain has several different spray modes. The one pictured 
is certainly the most bike friendly, and I'm always excited when I go by on 
a warm day and it's at this part of the cycle. You get a pleasant drizzle 
and are on your way. The other modes are more drenching. Highly recommend 
riding through a fountain or 2 once yer Betty is on the road. 

Tony- the auxiliary bar is so I can clear off the bars I hold onto. It 
maximizes available hand positions. I use a 2nd stem (threadless) instead 
of spacers and a cut-off straight handlebar. I dig it. 

Mike- Wasco County ride in the spring sounds great! I'm hoping to organize 
some sort of u-pick ride out there in Sept or so. Need to get in touch with 
Aaron to coordinate. 

David- We didn't get a very good look at Squeaky Peugeot Guy 'cause he was 
going so much faster than us. He's pretty much a mystery.

--Smitty 


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[RBW] Re: Big Front Rack loaded on a Hunqapillar... am I crazy?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I don't have the Nitto Big Front but do have low riders and love the way a 
little load low and forward stabilizes the front end. I wasn't a fan of 
front weight up high on my Homer, but a few pounds from a sleeping bag/pad 
strapped to the top of a front rack (Mark's) is/was fine. 

I like using rear panniers (in addition to front panniers) for longer trips 
but prefer the low riders + saddle sack combo for most overnighters. 

--Smitty




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[RBW] Re: Portland: Eastside triple bump tour?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Certainly interested. 

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Re: [RBW] Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

[cyclotourist]

And I thought you had a green one... :-)

On 8/10/13, James Warren  wrote:
>
> And maybe the ride will be flat enough for a Quickbeam! (Orange)
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2013, at 10:58 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Night of 23rd in San Mateo State Park. http://goo.gl/maps/6fRK9 The
>> rest is just details...
>>
>> Northern crew meeting at or about 11:00 in Irvine to ride down. I
>> haven't been fully paying attention to what the southern contingent is
>> doing.
>>
>> You should plan on being there with that bottle of whiskey!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/10/13, Esteban  wrote:
>>> Can someone summarize the details, as I'm having a hard time finding
>>> essential nuggets of information. I may be able to meet folks in San
>>> Clemente?
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