[RBW] Re: OT(ish): Is there such thing as a modern mixte touring bike?

[Rob H.]

I believe Velo Orange is starting to design another Mixte bike. If
it's anything like the last one, it'll have a 1" threaded headset,
132.5mm rear spacing, and of course be a Cr-Mo frame, possibly lugged
with the double top tube (not the same as the Rivendell 2TT!). I'm
hoping they just give it a matte black color like the first
Polyvalent. I think that would look very good with the orange
lettering.

On May 18, 10:46 pm, Scot Brooks  wrote:
> A mixte LHT, now that would be sweet. By the way, my use of "modern" was a 
> little goofy. I just meant "currently in production". Most of my motivation 
> for the 1" steerer is that I just love the look, the other part is that I 
> have a spare Technomic hanging around.

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[RBW] Re: No!

[Montclair BobbyB]

Damn that's funny.


On May 18, 4:49 pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> This just in! Grant learned all he knows about bicycles from Angela Lansbury!!
>
> Quote: 2) Grant Petersen learned everything he knows from Angela Lansbury.
>
> --True
> --False
>
> "True:"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6gbqugDx9E&feature=youtu.be&t=5m16s
>
> False:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isoEWr1s1-g
>
> Unquote.
>
> For the miserable few who don't dote on BSNYC:http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/
>
> Scroll down.
>
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>
> -
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> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Justin August]

Shouldn't we all just be having fun when we ride?


If 23mm tires and carbon is truly, in a zen way, fun for you: do it!
Mirrors, panniers, bags, steel? Do it.
650b fixed gear 70s racer to townie conversion? Do it! (I do!)

Much like underwear, as long as its not chafing others who cares what other 
people are doing as long as we're all having fun?

-J

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[RBW] Re: OT(ish): Is there such thing as a modern mixte touring bike?

[scott]

Handsome She-Devil. Wrong headset. And you dont need low-rider mounts
to use a low-rider rack. Clamp it. Origin8 has a sub 200 dollar mixte
frame and fork called the Mixer that shops can get.
ALso, if you don't want to spend much money at all, your local
craigslist probably has 50 old mixtes on there right now (depending on
where you live). Many Raleigh's, Motobecane's (both french and english
threaded so beware), and every once in a while an elusive Trek 420
Mixte. You will be able to sqeeze some decent rubber on there. I put
37 pasela's and fenders on an ex-girlfriend's motobecane. Just a
thought.

On May 19, 2:08 am, "Rob H."  wrote:
> I believe Velo Orange is starting to design another Mixte bike. If
> it's anything like the last one, it'll have a 1" threaded headset,
> 132.5mm rear spacing, and of course be a Cr-Mo frame, possibly lugged
> with the double top tube (not the same as the Rivendell 2TT!). I'm
> hoping they just give it a matte black color like the first
> Polyvalent. I think that would look very good with the orange
> lettering.
>
> On May 18, 10:46 pm, Scot Brooks  wrote:
>
>
>
> > A mixte LHT, now that would be sweet. By the way, my use of "modern" was a 
> > little goofy. I just meant "currently in production". Most of my motivation 
> > for the 1" steerer is that I just love the look, the other part is that I 
> > have a spare Technomic hanging around.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Bleriot Rides to Work Today

[jimD]

Nice ride! 
Wouldn't be a 'convenient' daily commute that I could do.
Great thing for the kids to see that one can use a bike this way.
-JimD
On May 18, 2012, at 11:22 PM, rob markwardt wrote:

> Greetings,
>  I work 24 miles away from home and have kid drop-off duties in the
> morning so unfortunately I drive to work.  I do, however, try to ride
> in at least a couple times a year. Since today was bike to work day so
> I made arrangements with my wife and made the trek to my place of
> employment...a middle school in S. Everett, WA.  Kids were kind of
> impressed though I don't think they thought too much of my
> Bleriot..."is that from the 80's?".."I hate handlebars like that".
>  Perfect day for riding...mild temps, some overcast.  Going up was
> almost all side streets and residential neighborhoods.  On the return
> trip I mainly used the Interurban Trail.  Tired tonight but had a
> great time...hopefully I can do it again before the end of the school
> year.
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157629794467234/with/7225302000/
> 
> Rob Markwardt
> Seattle, WA
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[RBW] Re: A rare sighting: Yves Gomez for sale in LA on CL

[Gino Zahnd]

And is now $700.

On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:40:04 AM UTC-7, Rob H. wrote:
>
> I think you're right, from what I remember last night, the original 
> asking price was $1900 and now it's already been changed to $1400. 
>
> On May 16, 9:12 am, Zack  wrote: 
> > yep, not saying it necessarily IS fishy, i just have that reaction. 
>  Also 
> > had it when I saw the orange custom riv that was on ebay and is the 
> subject 
> > of another discussion on the list right now, previous to seeing the 
> > discussion about it, which kind of cemented my feelings about ads like 
> > this.  Hopefully it's legitimate and the person has a reason for not 
> > posting/knowing the details.

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[RBW] Re: OT(ish): Is there such thing as a modern mixte touring bike?

[Linda G]

I'll put in a good word for the Velo Orange Mixte,which was only
available for a short time a few years ago, but I read on their blog
that they are considering another production run. It takes 700 C
wheels, has lugs, 1" threaded headset, 3 front fork braze-ons and
good tire clearance. I don't know the largest tire it will fit with
fenders. I have 32's plus fenders with a fair amount of extra room. I
thought it was the best choice when compared to the Betty Foy and
Buena Vista . Price was comparable to Buena Vista. In keeping with the
subject matter of this list, I bought mostly Rivendell parts for it.

On May 18, 2:05 pm, Scot Brooks  wrote:
> As I've realized that my perfect Sam set-up is that of a basketted, every day 
> city commuter and weekend day tourer, I've been thinking about a true 
> camping/touring bike. An Atlantis is out of the budget and so is a Hunq, 
> which is sad but true. I've found some great options that will fit the 
> budget, and a couple that meet my requirements of tire clearance, 
> low-rider-rackability, and 1" threaded fork. For those who are curious, the 
> VO Polyvalent 700c "Campeur" and the ENE Ciclo Touring are at the top of the 
> list.
>
> In the spirit of keeping my mind open, I landed on the idea of a camping 
> mixte. Does such a thing exist with stout-ish tubing, room for 700x38 tires 
> with fenders, cantilever brakes, and mounts for a low-rider front rack? If it 
> doesn't, I propose that there is certainly room in the world for such a 
> thing. I'd love to have one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Corollary to Justin's excellent point of 'whatever makes you happy is 
nobody else's business', I think Grant is saying 'don't be bullied into 
conformity by popular bike culture, particularly by unrealistic racing 
fantasies'. Sometimes I think Grant likes to humorously needle even 
conformity with the Riv aesthetic, which he does by running non-boutique, 
sometimes even blatantly cheap components, having bikes that are well 
"beausaged" (aka beat up), putting kickstand feet on his bar-end shifters, 
etc. In any case, the point is to do your own thing and be skeptical of 
others' opinions. 

Underlying all this, there is the sense that the bike industry channels us 
into a choice between "serious" sport bikes or geekier, less cool options, 
with little in between. Of course, the bike world has changed a lot in the 
past 5-10 years, and now there are choices in bicycles and gear available 
to suit almost any taste or personality.

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:30:46 AM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:
>
> Shouldn't we all just be having fun when we ride?
>
>
> If 23mm tires and carbon is truly, in a zen way, fun for you: do it!
> Mirrors, panniers, bags, steel? Do it.
> 650b fixed gear 70s racer to townie conversion? Do it! (I do!)
>
> Much like underwear, as long as its not chafing others who cares what 
> other people are doing as long as we're all having fun?
>
> -J
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Rides to Work Today

[Jim]

Rob:

Well done!  How do you deal with that ped/"bike" bridge?

Jim in Boulder

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:22:58 AM UTC-6, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> Greetings, 
>   I work 24 miles away from home and have kid drop-off duties in the 
> morning so unfortunately I drive to work.  I do, however, try to ride 
> in at least a couple times a year. Since today was bike to work day so 
> I made arrangements with my wife and made the trek to my place of 
> employment...a middle school in S. Everett, WA.  Kids were kind of 
> impressed though I don't think they thought too much of my 
> Bleriot..."is that from the 80's?".."I hate handlebars like that". 
>   Perfect day for riding...mild temps, some overcast.  Going up was 
> almost all side streets and residential neighborhoods.  On the return 
> trip I mainly used the Interurban Trail.  Tired tonight but had a 
> great time...hopefully I can do it again before the end of the school 
> year. 
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157629794467234/with/7225302000/
>  
>
> Rob Markwardt 
> Seattle, WA 
>

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[RBW] Re: L-brackets - just do it!

[Steve]

I haven't posted in this group yet, but perhaps necessity is the
mother of de-lurking... This post inspired me to finally fit my 59 cm
Hilsen with some Berthoud fenders I've had sitting around for a while.
I've done everything except the L-bracket; now I'm sitting here
wondering whether anyone has tried drilling and tapping the bottom of
the brake bridge for direct fender mounting on a bike lacking the
braze-on? There isn't much material there, especially since Rivendell
keeps the brake pivots low for tire clearance... I'm less concerned
about the hole not holding thread than I am about weakening the brake
bridge. Has anyone tried anything similar or is this just folly?

--Steve

On May 19, 2:13 am, Stonehog  wrote:
> For what it's worth, my new Hunqapillar has a threaded fender mount on the 
> kickstand plate, AND a threaded fender mount on the brake bridge.  It is one 
> of the original Taiwan frames. My Waterford built Hilsen needed an L-bracket. 
>  I would suspect it comes down to supplies and builders since these are done 
> in small batches.
>
> Brian Hanson
>
> On May 18, 2012, at 7:27 AM, Peter Morgano  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Now I am an offender here with Hetres and VO fenders on my Hilsen which I 
> > still cant get to stop rubbing at 65psi so may go L-bracket soon but Grant 
> > has weighed in here before saying that those of us that are going above and 
> >  beyond the recommended tire size and/or using fenders that are a bit too 
> > small are kinda on our own. Riv speced out the bikes to take certain tires 
> > and fenders with better clearances than 99% of bikes out there and we just 
> > have to go and ask for more, haha.  Not to be the wet blanket here, I am 
> > all for pushing the limits but I dont "blame" Riv for building in 
> > limitations. Not saying yall do, I mean, who wouldnt like a threaded boss, 
> > why not throw one on the fender plate, would make life easier there too but 
> > I dont fault Riv for this.  As for the double TT, I dont mind the way it 
> > looks but have never ridden one so cant say what it adds or takes away from 
> > ride quality, which should be a big part of the discussion, but certainly 
> > not the only factor, beauty and asthestics are certainly important things 
> > to consider.
>
> > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Zack  wrote:
> > Literally the only time i have been like "hm, weird" when trying to get 
> > something to work on my 64 2TT Sam was when I figured out that there was no 
> > fender mount on the rear brake bridge.  Everything else has been perfect, 
> > just absolutely perfect.  It was an easy fix (I ended up just zip tying the 
> > fender to the brake bridge, any kind of bracket didn't give me what i 
> > needed because i had TIGHT clearance - Berthoud 50 fenders with marathon 
> > dureme 40's).  I have since moved to the longboards, which presented their 
> > own brand of fender frustration (Fenderstration?).
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[RBW] Re: S240 Ride Report- Diablo/TOC 2012

[tommynguyen]

I would like to thank Manny for turning me onto this forum and
organizing the s24o trip up Mount Diablo to catch the race. It was a
pleasure to meet Dustin, Anne and Bill and the other Rivendell riders.
It was amazing to see the camaraderie between everyone and to feel the
excitement and energy through the trip and at the HQ. I will
definitely be up for future trips as well as the HQ to check out some
stuff.

T

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[RBW] Hillborne vs Hillborne

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

(those hoping for Spy vs Spy are going to be disappointed)

Two frames. Two years. One size. One maker.

One owner.

Both my green Hillborne purchased this year and my orange Hillborne purchased 
in 2010 are 60cm Waterford-made canti-studded double top tube studies in joy, 
comfort, and usefulness. Both have and/or will serve as commuting, 
recreational, errand, and camping bikes. Both share five cockpits between them 
(#6 awaits the "late May" of the Bosco) running the Nitto-RBW handlebar gamut.

However, I thought the differences in the frames themselves somewhat 
interesting. So I submit for your perusal some trivia regarding the differences 
between Samuel O. Hillborne (2010) and Samuel G. Hillborne (2012):

• seat tube bottle cage bosses are lower on green; this means more clearance 
for a water bottle below the undertube, which I like. This may prevent me from 
storing my lock on the seat tube (like I always have on orange) due to 
chainring interference on green. But I don't think I would do that on green 
anyway. In fact, I'm thinking of making orange like green in this regard; the 
lock stored on the downtube works nicely.

• on green, fork dropouts are RBW pointy style, have two eyelets each, and have 
a litigation-mitigation prong, as opposed to plain-ish round 
un-pronged-or-lipped one-eyeleted on orange; this means slightly less 
trickiness to mounting the platrack or low-rider rack, which I like... and 
even-more-slightly more hassle taking the front wheel off, which I don't like. 
But I'm not compelled to break out the file yet.

• orange has a brazed-on rear brake cable hanger whereas green came with a 
separate one suspended from the seat tube collar bolt; in a sense green is a 
"downgrade" here, though to me this means that green has less stuff I don't 
care about (I use linear pulls), which I like in the abstract and could not 
care less about in practice

--

I have ridden orange thousands of miles and green a few hundred. They feel the 
same. I really can't tell the difference. Both are wonderful. Near Perfect For 
Me. (Through careful consideration and much mulling I have scientistically 
determined that my "Perfect Bike" is in fact a 61.125cm Hillborne. It would 
ride exactly like my 60cm frames do but would have less exposed seatpost and 
stem. And I could still straddle it, uh, "safely".)

I should note that my 2010 orange Hillborne was a *very* early model of its 
kind. It might even be the first of its sub-species, though I've never verified 
that. Whether "first" or merely "early", though, other owners of 2010 DTT 
orange Waterford Hillbornes might find differences between mine and theirs. 
*That* would be interesting.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot Rides to Work Today

[rob markwardt]

The picture is kind of decieving.  There is a ramp on the right side
so it really is for bikes and peds.  I usually just use the crosswalk
since the traffic on 99 gets the majority of green light time.

On May 19, 9:59 am, Jim  wrote:
> Rob:
>
> Well done!  How do you deal with that ped/"bike" bridge?
>
> Jim in Boulder
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:22:58 AM UTC-6, rob markwardt wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >   I work 24 miles away from home and have kid drop-off duties in the
> > morning so unfortunately I drive to work.  I do, however, try to ride
> > in at least a couple times a year. Since today was bike to work day so
> > I made arrangements with my wife and made the trek to my place of
> > employment...a middle school in S. Everett, WA.  Kids were kind of
> > impressed though I don't think they thought too much of my
> > Bleriot..."is that from the 80's?".."I hate handlebars like that".
> >   Perfect day for riding...mild temps, some overcast.  Going up was
> > almost all side streets and residential neighborhoods.  On the return
> > trip I mainly used the Interurban Trail.  Tired tonight but had a
> > great time...hopefully I can do it again before the end of the school
> > year.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/sets/72157629794467234/with...
>
> > Rob Markwardt
> > Seattle, WA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Justin August]

Jim-
Thanks! You're one of the folks who steered me and my family towards Riv and 
Surly. I just emailed GP because the Kindle version has his name as "Grant 
Persen" on the title page. Hopefully they fix it and push it out to us nonpaper 
folks.  I wish I could have purchased an electronic version not through Amazon 
though!

-J

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[RBW] Re: A rare sighting: Yves Gomez for sale in LA on CL

[Justin August]

"I'll totally ship it to Philly, but I sold it to a pawn shop and they won't 
let me buy it back for 27 days. But if you send me money now I'll ship it when 
I get it out..."


Flagged. 

-J

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[RBW] BB change

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I have used a 113mm bottom bracket for my Hillbornes. I knew there was ample 
clearance for my XD2 triple. And I was okay with the chain line and its general 
behavior.

But I was inspired by recent group posts to see if a 110mm would work on my 
frame with my crank. It does! And it does improve my chain line and allows my 
front derailer to operate more vertically throughout its range of motion. This 
means less trimming. It was not something that bothered me significantly 
before... I'd only even think about it on the few occasions I'd be severely 
cross-chained. But now it's even easier to find a spot where I can span the 
range of my IRD 7-speed freewheel in my middle chain ring without raking 
against my IRD alpina-d front derailer's cage.

Bear in mind the specifics. Many of them might matter:

Shimano UN55 bottom brackets
Waterford 60cm Hillborne
Sugino XD2 triple 24-36-46
crank torqued roughly to spec
IRD Defiant 7-speed freewheel
Phil "IRD" freewheel hub
IRD alpina-d "braze-on" front derailer
separate derailer clamp from RBW

YMMV!

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] BarSack and Rack (F-15) tips

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I've used Nitto's F-15 rack for a while now with my BarSack. Not continuously 
but often. In fact, it's the intermittent nature of its usage that led me to 
these notions.

1) Replace the M8 bolts in the ends of the fork with 8mm "set screws" 30mm in 
length. Then you can use 8mm wing nuts to tool-lessly secure the bag on or 
remove the bag from the fork tines.

2) Replace the M6 bolts that attach the fork to the handles mounts with 6mm set 
screws 20mm? 25mm? In length to allow you to tool-lessly attach/detach the fork 
to/from those mounts using 6mm wing nuts.

If you always remove your bag from your F-15 when you leave your bike, then (1) 
has no real downside. Just keep the wing-nuts in your bag.

Unless you remove the fork from the handlebar clamps regularly, then (2) is not 
really useful. Even then, well it just means you don't have to have a 4mm Allen 
wrench to do something trivial. And, depending on the mount of the clamps to 
your bar, attaching/detaching the fork can be somewhat tedious with the set 
screws since they stick up all the time. (That's why shorter may be better.) 
Additionally, the wing-nuts do make the fork easier to remove for thieves (more 
likely vandals). That said, it's nice not to have to find that tool all the 
time if you remove the fork often.

Set screws are simply fully threaded pillars with socket inserts on one end 
that an Allen wrench can fit into. As an example, see the metric set screws and 
wing-nuts at BoltDepot online.

Oh, and the cotton shoulder strap offered by Laplander Bags works really well 
with the BarSack. I can't remember if my BarSack came with a shoulder strap or 
not. If it did I'm pretty sure it was nylon. Which is okay and fully 
functional. I just really prefer the feel of cotton, even though nylon takes up 
less space and probably weighs less. Surely relative strength isn't an issue 
for the BarSack or similar bags.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: BB change

[charlie]

You might consider a 106 to 107 also...I know its only 3-4mm
difference but that is what I have on mine with a seven speed cassette
and spacer and it works nicely with even better alignment and shifting
IMHO.

On May 19, 11:22 am, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
> I have used a 113mm bottom bracket for my Hillbornes. I knew there was ample 
> clearance for my XD2 triple. And I was okay with the chain line and its 
> general behavior.
>
> But I was inspired by recent group posts to see if a 110mm would work on my 
> frame with my crank. It does! And it does improve my chain line and allows my 
> front derailer to operate more vertically throughout its range of motion. 
> This means less trimming. It was not something that bothered me significantly 
> before... I'd only even think about it on the few occasions I'd be severely 
> cross-chained. But now it's even easier to find a spot where I can span the 
> range of my IRD 7-speed freewheel in my middle chain ring without raking 
> against my IRD alpina-d front derailer's cage.
>
> Bear in mind the specifics. Many of them might matter:
>
> Shimano UN55 bottom brackets
> Waterford 60cm Hillborne
> Sugino XD2 triple 24-36-46
> crank torqued roughly to spec
> IRD Defiant 7-speed freewheel
> Phil "IRD" freewheel hub
> IRD alpina-d "braze-on" front derailer
> separate derailer clamp from RBW
>
> YMMV!
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: BB change

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I tried a 107 once and couldn't even get good torque on the crank against the 
taper without interference from the bottom
bracket itself. In short, my crank didn't work with that 107 bottom bracket, 
completely independent of the frame. Just weird.

Assuming that was a fluke (say, incorrectly labelled length or taper or just a 
bad BB) and none of that applies, though, I look at the clearance in my 110's 
installation and believe I'd lack confidence with a 107's clearance. There are 
a couple millimeters, surely. But with the 107... well, these parts would have 
to move *very* little relative to each other for me not to worry about my chain 
stay and inner ring meeting.

It's so close that I think a 108 might work but a 107 wouldn't.

Of course, that could just be my rationalization of Phil products kicking in... 
:)

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
who thinks 110 is his limit

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[RBW] Re: BarSack and Rack (F-15) tips

[Minh]

Thomas,

Thanks for posting this, i just ordered a BarSack with my birthday discount 
and was thinking of how i could come up with a better quick release system. 
 now just need to find a source for the set screws!


On Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:04:07 PM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:
>
> I've used Nitto's F-15 rack for a while now with my BarSack. Not 
> continuously but often. In fact, it's the intermittent nature of its usage 
> that led me to these notions.
>
> 1) Replace the M8 bolts in the ends of the fork with 8mm "set screws" 30mm 
> in length. Then you can use 8mm wing nuts to tool-lessly secure the bag on 
> or remove the bag from the fork tines.
>
> 2) Replace the M6 bolts that attach the fork to the handles mounts with 
> 6mm set screws 20mm? 25mm? In length to allow you to tool-lessly 
> attach/detach the fork to/from those mounts using 6mm wing nuts.
>
> If you always remove your bag from your F-15 when you leave your bike, 
> then (1) has no real downside. Just keep the wing-nuts in your bag.
>
> Unless you remove the fork from the handlebar clamps regularly, then (2) 
> is not really useful. Even then, well it just means you don't have to have 
> a 4mm Allen wrench to do something trivial. And, depending on the mount of 
> the clamps to your bar, attaching/detaching the fork can be somewhat 
> tedious with the set screws since they stick up all the time. (That's why 
> shorter may be better.) Additionally, the wing-nuts do make the fork easier 
> to remove for thieves (more likely vandals). That said, it's nice not to 
> have to find that tool all the time if you remove the fork often.
>
> Set screws are simply fully threaded pillars with socket inserts on one 
> end that an Allen wrench can fit into. As an example, see the metric set 
> screws and wing-nuts at BoltDepot online.
>
> Oh, and the cotton shoulder strap offered by Laplander Bags works really 
> well with the BarSack. I can't remember if my BarSack came with a shoulder 
> strap or not. If it did I'm pretty sure it was nylon. Which is okay and 
> fully functional. I just really prefer the feel of cotton, even though 
> nylon takes up less space and probably weighs less. Surely relative 
> strength isn't an issue for the BarSack or similar bags.
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A rare sighting: Yves Gomez for sale in LA on CL

[Seth Vidal]

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Justin August  wrote:
> "I'll totally ship it to Philly, but I sold it to a pawn shop and they won't 
> let me buy it back for 27 days. But if you send me money now I'll ship it 
> when I get it out..."
>
>
> Flagged.
>

hahah - nice.

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Re: [RBW] Hillborne vs Hillborne

[Seth Vidal]

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Thomas Lynn Skean
 wrote:
> (those hoping for Spy vs Spy are going to be disappointed)
>
> Two frames. Two years. One size. One maker.
>
> One owner.
>
> Both my green Hillborne purchased this year and my orange Hillborne purchased 
> in 2010 are 60cm Waterford-made canti-studded double top tube studies in joy, 
> comfort, and usefulness. Both have and/or will serve as commuting, 
> recreational, errand, and camping bikes. Both share five cockpits between 
> them (#6 awaits the "late May" of the Bosco) running the Nitto-RBW handlebar 
> gamut.
>

Pictures, or it never happened :)

-sv

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[RBW] Re: BarSack and Rack (F-15) tips

[Tom Harrop]

I have independently arrived at the M8-wingnut solution. The problem I 
found with removing the 'fork' section of the rack is that the handlebar 
clamps move slightly and make it a fiddle to re-mount.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A rare sighting: Yves Gomez for sale in LA on CL

[cyclotourist]

Ahhh man, I was just going to send him an envelope with some cash in it so
he could hold. I mean hey, I can wait 27 days!

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Justin August 
> wrote:
> > "I'll totally ship it to Philly, but I sold it to a pawn shop and they
> won't let me buy it back for 27 days. But if you send me money now I'll
> ship it when I get it out..."
> >
> >
> > Flagged.
> >
>
> hahah - nice.
>
> -sv
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[RBW] Pedal strike and platform pedals

[Rex Kerr]

So, I've been slowly warming to this idea of using platform pedals.  I
actually compromised and went half way, using cream colored PowerGrip
straps that Rivendell was selling at the time and the MKS touring pedals
that they sell.  This setup works fairly well for me and I'm starting to
prefer it over having to wear dedicated shoes, even though I was wearing
Shimano sandals.  That said, after years of using tiny little Frog pedals I
got accustomed to how much cornering clearance I had and don't remember the
last time that I experienced pedal strike [except for one time on my fixed
gear].  Now, though, I seem to do it at least once per ride, even on turns
that seem like nothing whatsoever!  Worse, a few times I've grabbed the toe
of my sandal and flipped it down! (I sure hope I don't break a toe or tear
my awesome Chaco sandals!)

So, now I'm wondering... are there other paltform pedals that give a little
more ground clearance? Is it just something I'll have to learn to deal
with?  Are the King Grips any better [for clearance]?  How about the RMX
sneaker pedal with its corners rounded off?

How long did it take you (if you converted to platforms) to become
accustomed to the reduced clearance?

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Re: [RBW] Pedal strike and platform pedals

[David Faller]

Pedal strike is more of a "habit" problem than a pedal problem, at least 
for me.  You start to learn what you can and can't get away with on 
corners.  Narrower pedals definitely help, but not as much as you might 
think.


On 5/19/2012 2:46 PM, Rex Kerr wrote:
So, I've been slowly warming to this idea of using platform pedals.  I 
actually compromised and went half way, using cream colored PowerGrip 
straps that Rivendell was selling at the time and the MKS touring 
pedals that they sell.  This setup works fairly well for me and I'm 
starting to prefer it over having to wear dedicated shoes, even though 
I was wearing Shimano sandals.  That said, after years of using tiny 
little Frog pedals I got accustomed to how much cornering clearance I 
had and don't remember the last time that I experienced pedal strike 
[except for one time on my fixed gear].  Now, though, I seem to do it 
at least once per ride, even on turns that seem like nothing 
whatsoever!  Worse, a few times I've grabbed the toe of my sandal and 
flipped it down! (I sure hope I don't break a toe or tear my awesome 
Chaco sandals!)


So, now I'm wondering... are there other paltform pedals that give a 
little more ground clearance? Is it just something I'll have to learn 
to deal with?  Are the King Grips any better [for clearance]?  How 
about the RMX sneaker pedal with its corners rounded off?


How long did it take you (if you converted to platforms) to become 
accustomed to the reduced clearance?

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[RBW] Re: BarSack and Rack (F-15) tips

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I've had a little of that myself, though I think having the clamps around 
rubber shims around an Albatross have prevented it from being problematic.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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Re: [RBW] Re: A rare sighting: Yves Gomez for sale in LA on CL

[Justin August]

He also has a Schwinn Suburban for 500! What a deal!

-J

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[RBW] Re: Pedal strike and platform pedals

[charlie]

Hmmmweird.would think the diff to be only 10 -12mm since the
thickness of the pedal cage is about one inch with the axle running
through the center. On those froggy pedals the axle is the same basic
size and so wouldn't be more than 6 -7 mm farther from the ground.
(I'm curious, maybe do some actual measuring, maybe its more) I  own a
Trucker with 175 cranks and a new Hillborne with the same, using
platforms and never have hit the ground. My 'SO' has 170's and
inexpensive bear trap style pedals and never have I hit pavement.
Maybe keep your turning side pedal up or get 165-170 cranks if you
like to pedal through corners. I only pedal through corners on my
recumbent.never on my uprights.

On May 19, 2:46 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> So, I've been slowly warming to this idea of using platform pedals.  I
> actually compromised and went half way, using cream colored PowerGrip
> straps that Rivendell was selling at the time and the MKS touring pedals
> that they sell.  This setup works fairly well for me and I'm starting to
> prefer it over having to wear dedicated shoes, even though I was wearing
> Shimano sandals.  That said, after years of using tiny little Frog pedals I
> got accustomed to how much cornering clearance I had and don't remember the
> last time that I experienced pedal strike [except for one time on my fixed
> gear].  Now, though, I seem to do it at least once per ride, even on turns
> that seem like nothing whatsoever!  Worse, a few times I've grabbed the toe
> of my sandal and flipped it down! (I sure hope I don't break a toe or tear
> my awesome Chaco sandals!)
>
> So, now I'm wondering... are there other paltform pedals that give a little
> more ground clearance? Is it just something I'll have to learn to deal
> with?  Are the King Grips any better [for clearance]?  How about the RMX
> sneaker pedal with its corners rounded off?
>
> How long did it take you (if you converted to platforms) to become
> accustomed to the reduced clearance?

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[RBW] Re: BB change

[charlie]

Right on Thomas..every bicycle/bicycle part can be a little
different.

On May 19, 12:16 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean 
wrote:
> I tried a 107 once and couldn't even get good torque on the crank against the 
> taper without interference from the bottom
> bracket itself. In short, my crank didn't work with that 107 bottom bracket, 
> completely independent of the frame. Just weird.
>
> Assuming that was a fluke (say, incorrectly labelled length or taper or just 
> a bad BB) and none of that applies, though, I look at the clearance in my 
> 110's installation and believe I'd lack confidence with a 107's clearance. 
> There are a couple millimeters, surely. But with the 107... well, these parts 
> would have to move *very* little relative to each other for me not to worry 
> about my chain stay and inner ring meeting.
>
> It's so close that I think a 108 might work but a 107 wouldn't.
>
> Of course, that could just be my rationalization of Phil products kicking 
> in... :)
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
> who thinks 110 is his limit

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[RBW] Re: Pedal strike and platform pedals

[Blindrobert]

I wouldn't worry about it.  If you're riding a Riv you probably aren't
racing...don't pedal through the corners and keep your outside crank
in the down position if you are turning agressively at high speed (you
should do that regardless of what pedal you are using).  I've used the
MKS touring pedal on my AHH and Bombadil for years and never had a
problem.  I have done long tours, everyday riding around town, fast-
paced but casual group rides.  It's just not an issue.  It's not an
issue on my Fraces or Waterford fixed gear bikes either - same setup:
MKS touring pedals with clips and straps.

A few months ago I put a pair of grip kings on my AHH and haven't had
any problem with that pedal either.  I'm sure you could make the pedal
strike if you wanted, but it would be the result of poor riding
judgement rather than a shortcoming of the equipment.  Platforms=one
less obstacle to getting on your bike and riding it.  I say go for
it!  Good luck!

On May 19, 4:46 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> So, I've been slowly warming to this idea of using platform pedals.  I
> actually compromised and went half way, using cream colored PowerGrip
> straps that Rivendell was selling at the time and the MKS touring pedals
> that they sell.  This setup works fairly well for me and I'm starting to
> prefer it over having to wear dedicated shoes, even though I was wearing
> Shimano sandals.  That said, after years of using tiny little Frog pedals I
> got accustomed to how much cornering clearance I had and don't remember the
> last time that I experienced pedal strike [except for one time on my fixed
> gear].  Now, though, I seem to do it at least once per ride, even on turns
> that seem like nothing whatsoever!  Worse, a few times I've grabbed the toe
> of my sandal and flipped it down! (I sure hope I don't break a toe or tear
> my awesome Chaco sandals!)
>
> So, now I'm wondering... are there other paltform pedals that give a little
> more ground clearance? Is it just something I'll have to learn to deal
> with?  Are the King Grips any better [for clearance]?  How about the RMX
> sneaker pedal with its corners rounded off?
>
> How long did it take you (if you converted to platforms) to become
> accustomed to the reduced clearance?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal strike and platform pedals

[Rex Kerr]

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 4:17 PM, charlie  wrote:

> Hmmmweird.would think the diff to be only 10 -12mm since the
> thickness of the pedal cage is about one inch with the axle running
> through the center. On those froggy pedals the axle is the same
>

It's more than that though, because the frogs end half way through the
width of the shoe, so at the most extreme end you have about two inches
extra clearance...   I should measure the difference in angle.

Thing is, I don't pedal through sharp turns, never have, but there are some
places where it feels like I'm hardly turning at all, where it doesn't
trigger my "don't pedal, keep that foot up" instinct where I'm hitting
now... I'm frequently shocked that it was enough lean to cause a strike.
 I'm mostly curious how long it took other people to get accustomed to the
difference.  Apparently I had a well honed sense of how much clearance I
had before and was missing by less than an inch!

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[RBW] Issue mounting Marathon Racers

[rw1911]

I don't think it's me, maybe it is, but these are the most difficult
tires I have ever dealt with.  Normally when I think of tires being
difficult to mount, they're really tight and require multiple levers
and a lot of force to get on.

My problem is the opposite.  These things are so loose that it's a 15
minute procedure of getting the tire on the rim, a little air, check/
seat the bead, a little more air, repeat, repeat.  So the tire is now
mounted and the bead looks evenly seated all around.  I cruise down
the driveway and back up through the yard.  Bang! the tire blows.

It's obvious the bead popped out and pinched the tube.  I think OK,
I'll just throw in a new tube.  Checking, airing, checking, airing.
The bead let's go at about 50 PSI and I just lost another tube, my
last spare and the local shops are closed tomorrow.  I'm more than a
bit agitated/bummed.

Apologies for the long rant to get to this point... Has anyone else
experienced such difficulties with these tires?  35c Marathon Racer's
on Velocity Synergy rims.

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Re: [RBW] Issue mounting Marathon Racers

[Peter Morgano]

I have had this problem.  Had to put alot of air into the tube and then
seat it,  alot more than I usually would to get it to be tighter around the
wheel. Then pump it up,  deflate and repump a few times with the wheel on
the upside down or suspended bike to make sure it wasn't pinched.  Pain in
the ass for sure,  use a little baby powder to help it slip around the bead
rather than being pinched.  This technique worked for me.
On May 19, 2012 9:35 PM, "rw1911"  wrote:

> I don't think it's me, maybe it is, but these are the most difficult
> tires I have ever dealt with.  Normally when I think of tires being
> difficult to mount, they're really tight and require multiple levers
> and a lot of force to get on.
>
> My problem is the opposite.  These things are so loose that it's a 15
> minute procedure of getting the tire on the rim, a little air, check/
> seat the bead, a little more air, repeat, repeat.  So the tire is now
> mounted and the bead looks evenly seated all around.  I cruise down
> the driveway and back up through the yard.  Bang! the tire blows.
>
> It's obvious the bead popped out and pinched the tube.  I think OK,
> I'll just throw in a new tube.  Checking, airing, checking, airing.
> The bead let's go at about 50 PSI and I just lost another tube, my
> last spare and the local shops are closed tomorrow.  I'm more than a
> bit agitated/bummed.
>
> Apologies for the long rant to get to this point... Has anyone else
> experienced such difficulties with these tires?  35c Marathon Racer's
> on Velocity Synergy rims.
>
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[RBW] Re: Top 10 Tips for a 1st Timer S24O?

[Zack]

If you want to cook, bring a lighter.  lol.  Learned that one this weekend. 
 Won't make that mistake twice!  I tend to bring too much food anyways, so 
I just had salami and an apple for dinner.  the whole "if you screw up it 
doesn't really matter because you will be home the next day" thing really 
does apply to S24O.  

Also, I suggest leaving earlier than you really think you need to.  When I 
leave later in the day and feel pressed for time to get somewhere to make 
camp before it's dark, I spend my time worrying about the time and trying 
to go faster, which isn't really my idea of having fun.  I am new to this 
too, so i am not yet a master at determining when/where is a safe bet to 
camp.  

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[RBW] My new Rivendell...

[lungimsam]

...lug. They were giving away promotional lugs. Here is the one I got.
So pretty:

[IMG]http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/lungimsam/Bicycle/
lugrsidealso.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/lungimsam/Bicycle/
lugriderpointofview.jpg[/IMG]

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Re: [RBW] My new Rivendell...

[mikel66...@juno.com]

its a good start

53 Year Old Mom Looks 33
The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4fb851ba9ee081804c57st06duc

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[RBW] Re: My new Rivendell...

[rw1911]

Very cool.  I'd love to have one, but I'm respecting their "new
customers only, please" request.



On May 19, 4:30 pm, lungimsam  wrote:
> ...lug. They were giving away promotional lugs. Here is the one I got.
> So pretty:
>
> [IMG]http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/lungimsam/Bicycle/
> lugrsidealso.jpg[/IMG]
>
> [IMG]http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/lungimsam/Bicycle/
> lugriderpointofview.jpg[/IMG]

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Re: [RBW] Hillborne vs Hillborne

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Good point. I'll get some side-by-sides up tomorrow.

For now, here's some slightly outdated info on Samuel The Orange:

http://home.comcast.net/~thomaslynnskean/cockpits/


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[RBW] Re: My new Rivendell...

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Betty lug... score.  When December rolls around you can put it to use like 
this.

--Andy

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 1:30:11 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:
>
> ...lug. They were giving away promotional lugs. Here is the one I got. 
> So pretty: 
>
> [IMG]http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/lungimsam/Bicycle/ 
> lugrsidealso.jpg[/IMG] 
>
> [IMG]http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/lungimsam/Bicycle/ 
> lugriderpointofview.jpg[/IMG]

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[RBW] Re: Pedal strike and platform pedals

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I pedal strike on occasion on my AHH with 175 cranks and king grips. I have 
another bike that needs new cranks, so I'm leaning towards moving the 
current 175 AHH cranks over and getting 170s for Homer. But like others 
have said... I think it's more a user error than a problem with the bike. 

--Andy 

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:46:20 PM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:
>
> So, I've been slowly warming to this idea of using platform pedals.  I 
> actually compromised and went half way, using cream colored PowerGrip 
> straps that Rivendell was selling at the time and the MKS touring pedals 
> that they sell.  This setup works fairly well for me and I'm starting to 
> prefer it over having to wear dedicated shoes, even though I was wearing 
> Shimano sandals.  That said, after years of using tiny little Frog pedals I 
> got accustomed to how much cornering clearance I had and don't remember the 
> last time that I experienced pedal strike [except for one time on my fixed 
> gear].  Now, though, I seem to do it at least once per ride, even on turns 
> that seem like nothing whatsoever!  Worse, a few times I've grabbed the toe 
> of my sandal and flipped it down! (I sure hope I don't break a toe or tear 
> my awesome Chaco sandals!)   
>
> So, now I'm wondering... are there other paltform pedals that give a 
> little more ground clearance? Is it just something I'll have to learn to 
> deal with?  Are the King Grips any better [for clearance]?  How about the 
> RMX sneaker pedal with its corners rounded off?
>
> How long did it take you (if you converted to platforms) to become 
> accustomed to the reduced clearance?
>

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Re: [RBW] Issue mounting Marathon Racers

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've found Big Apples, both vanilla and Liteskins, to be supremely
loose on both Alex DH19 and SnoCat SL 44 mm rims; so loose that,
installed before any air is in the tube, they will literally fall off
the rim if the wheel is held sideways. But adding air, carefully so
that the beads remain seated, has always kept them in place without
any problems with the tube: I just have to pump, inspect bead, pump,
inspect bead, and repeat until the tire is at normal pressure.

Now "normal pressure" for these tires, used by me, is anywhere from 12
to 35 lb -- 50 lb would make them ride as hard as stone. Usual
"compromise" pressures, when I want them to offer cushion and float
offroad but don't want excessive wallow on pavement, is approx. 18/23.
When I want max speed on pavement, say 25/30.

Point being that, as "falling off" loose as they are, they do stay one
if you have carefully kept any eye on the bead while inflating.

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 7:35 PM, rw1911  wrote:
> I don't think it's me, maybe it is, but these are the most difficult
> tires I have ever dealt with.  Normally when I think of tires being
> difficult to mount, they're really tight and require multiple levers
> and a lot of force to get on.
>
> My problem is the opposite.  These things are so loose that it's a 15
> minute procedure of getting the tire on the rim, a little air, check/
> seat the bead, a little more air, repeat, repeat.  So the tire is now
> mounted and the bead looks evenly seated all around.  I cruise down
> the driveway and back up through the yard.  Bang! the tire blows.
>
> It's obvious the bead popped out and pinched the tube.  I think OK,
> I'll just throw in a new tube.  Checking, airing, checking, airing.
> The bead let's go at about 50 PSI and I just lost another tube, my
> last spare and the local shops are closed tomorrow.  I'm more than a
> bit agitated/bummed.
>
> Apologies for the long rant to get to this point... Has anyone else
> experienced such difficulties with these tires?  35c Marathon Racer's
> on Velocity Synergy rims.
>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

In the long distance hiking community there's a saying "Hike your own 
hike." It applies equally well to bikes. --Andy

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:15:32 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Maybe there should be a spoiler alert here - be advised that I will be 
> discussing various aspects of the new book, so navigate away from this page 
> if you prefer the content of the book to be a complete surprise.
>
> I finished reading the book tonight, which if I can summarize in a line, 
> is about all the good things about bikes that appear only when you toss 
> racer prejudices and attitudes out the window and Just Ride. After the 
> first few chapters, I thought that maybe the editors really sanitized GP's 
> historically familiar against-the-grain opinions to be more blandly 
> vanilla, hopefully to be appealing to a broader audience. The general 
> content wasn't unpredictable to me, having read the Readers and Catalogs 
> and most everything else Riv going back to 2004 when I wanted a touring 
> bike and couldn't find any to buy except the Atlantis (that's how I first 
> found Riv in the internet universe). But I was somewhat surprised that 
> there was little to no discernible lug evangelism or quill stem absolutism 
> or singing the praises of friction shifters, and the Retro-Grouchiness was 
> held to a dull roar. 
>
> But as I got further along in the book, I started to think that maybe Mr 
> Petersen has simply mellowed about the trivial details over the years (I 
> know I have!). Or maybe more accurately, there's less to be peeved about in 
> the bike industry now than there was 10 years ago or even 5 years ago. 
> After all, smart, sturdy bikes with ample tire clearance and useful 
> braze-ons and some attention to classic, non-billboard aesthetics have 
> become, dare I say, normal. If racing bikes and gear are the status quo in 
> the world, then I must live in a lucky bubble in South Minneapolis where I 
> ride and fix bikes every day, as I see lots of reincarnated 1980s 
> sport-tourers, old steel MTBs, and new(ish) Surly Cross-checks and LHTs on 
> a daily basis, but feel like I see relatively few "road bikes" being ridden 
> by obvious faux-racers. To the extent that bike trends have steered toward 
> the benefit of the "Unracer" over the past decade or so, my opinion is that 
> Grant and Rivendell played a large part in it. This is not to say that all 
> smart bike designs and product offerings are shameless Riv-ripoffs, but 
> that Grant gave voice to a backlash movement and opened a long-neglected 
> market to a lot of smart, creative people who maybe couldn't or wouldn't 
> have done it without some pioneering coattails to ride on.
>

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[RBW] Re: S240 Ride Report- Diablo/TOC 2012

[Manuel Acosta]

One picture to colierate Tommy's first post on the form. 
Tommy himself riding up Diablo on his new touring bike!
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[RBW] Re: Pedal strike and platform pedals

[Grant Petersen]

I agree with all...but happen to have micro-knowledge about some
particulars. The Grip King pedal has the best clearance of any pedal
we sell...was designed to win and does. Much of this is obvioius, but
here it is all at once: Pedal clearance is only a function of
how far the pedal sticks out (related to crank Q-Factor, of course)
crank length
pedal cage height
bottom bracket height---which itself comes from frame drop and wheel
radius (radius minus drop is bb height).

The CPSC Consumer Products Safety Commission requires (or used to; I
dunno if it's changed) 25-degrees of lean before contact, and we have
a spreadsheet that lets us plug in any combination with any of the
pedals we offer, and so...a Roll-y Pol-y* tire on an A. Homer Hilsen
with 175mm cranks and MKS Touring pedals doesn't quite make it, but
once you're up to Jack Brown territory and any pedal other than the
Touring, then all's well.

But---as everybody has said--it's mostly a matter of learning the
limits and pedaling within 'em.

On May 19, 2:46 pm, Rex Kerr  wrote:
> So, I've been slowly warming to this idea of using platform pedals.  I
> actually compromised and went half way, using cream colored PowerGrip
> straps that Rivendell was selling at the time and the MKS touring pedals
> that they sell.  This setup works fairly well for me and I'm starting to
> prefer it over having to wear dedicated shoes, even though I was wearing
> Shimano sandals.  That said, after years of using tiny little Frog pedals I
> got accustomed to how much cornering clearance I had and don't remember the
> last time that I experienced pedal strike [except for one time on my fixed
> gear].  Now, though, I seem to do it at least once per ride, even on turns
> that seem like nothing whatsoever!  Worse, a few times I've grabbed the toe
> of my sandal and flipped it down! (I sure hope I don't break a toe or tear
> my awesome Chaco sandals!)
>
> So, now I'm wondering... are there other paltform pedals that give a little
> more ground clearance? Is it just something I'll have to learn to deal
> with?  Are the King Grips any better [for clearance]?  How about the RMX
> sneaker pedal with its corners rounded off?
>
> How long did it take you (if you converted to platforms) to become
> accustomed to the reduced clearance?

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[RBW] Just got back from a 10 mile ride...

[Peter M]

And boy are my arms tired.  Out for a late night ride so rode over to
the shore path but by the time I got back my arms were killing me.  I
have been juggling a few different bikes lately but my latest setup is
a 56cm Homer (650b-Hetres) with a 10cm technomic and Albatross bars,
about 1 inch above the saddle.  I rode MTBs for most of my youth then
fixies for a while with bullhorn bars so not sure if it is an issue of
the bars being too close or not.  I finally did a proper measurement
and have a 85pbh and am 5'11" with a longish torso.  I was looking at
a Bombadil so I could stay with 650b and to possibly to try and strech
me out a bit but was thinking that the 52 would be basically the same
as what I have now but the 56 might be a bit tight with standover. Was
told by Rivendell that I could go either way but I  ride in NYC so I
do need to straddle the top tube every now and then at the longer
traffic lights. I cant see doing any actual MTBing outside of fire
trails so not so concerned about bail outs over the top tube. I am
throwing myself to the knowledge of the group here yet again to see if
anyone has some wise words.  Thank you all.

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Re: [RBW] Just got back from a 10 mile ride...

[MSmith]

Peter M wrote:

"...my arms were killing me.  I
have been juggling a few different bikes lately..."

I suggest you stop juggling bicycles and your arms will stop hurting.

Or maybe start by juggling balls or beanbags, then clubs, then maybe
chainsaws or bowling balls.  It takes a lot of practice before you start
with bicycles.  By that time your arms will be used to it and they won't
hurt as much.

Good luck- Mike

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Re: [RBW] Just got back from a 10 mile ride...

[Peter Morgano]

That must be it, damn 8th grade girlfriend taught me all wrong most likely.
I will start juggling carbon bikes, they are so lightweight after all.

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:08 AM, MSmith  wrote:

> Peter M wrote:
>
> "...my arms were killing me.  I
> have been juggling a few different bikes lately..."
>
> I suggest you stop juggling bicycles and your arms will stop hurting.
>
> Or maybe start by juggling balls or beanbags, then clubs, then maybe
> chainsaws or bowling balls.  It takes a lot of practice before you start
> with bicycles.  By that time your arms will be used to it and they won't
> hurt as much.
>
> Good luck- Mike
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Just got back from a 10 mile ride...

[Joe Bernard]

I tried Albas on several different bikes, and even though I have short
arms, the reach-back was too much.  I felt cramped and my hands/arms
hurt.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On May 19, 9:16 pm, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> That must be it, damn 8th grade girlfriend taught me all wrong most likely.
> I will start juggling carbon bikes, they are so lightweight after all.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:08 AM, MSmith  wrote:
> > Peter M wrote:
>
> > "...my arms were killing me.  I
> > have been juggling a few different bikes lately..."
>
> > I suggest you stop juggling bicycles and your arms will stop hurting.
>
> > Or maybe start by juggling balls or beanbags, then clubs, then maybe
> > chainsaws or bowling balls.  It takes a lot of practice before you start
> > with bicycles.  By that time your arms will be used to it and they won't
> > hurt as much.
>
> > Good luck- Mike
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[RBW] Thank you

[Manuel Acosta]

Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny because 
my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am.  LIke any new 
shiny thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm not good at 
describing the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some of the things 
the kids say. " So smooth", " The pedals are smart", " This bike feels so 
right!"  was the general conversation after students took turns riding it 
around the school. So since school got out early I took the long way home. 
Decided to see if there was a way to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak. 
There is but not an easy way. The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden 
hike the bike uphills.  But the new bike got dirty so all was well.

It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to receive 
such a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my pride of 
having to try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having gotten to talk to 
a bunch of people on the forum in person they really helped me understand 
that it's okay to accept other people's help. Grant put in better words 
"Everybody who helps you will be getting more out of it than they're 
giving, so you can legitimately think of this as a gift the givers are 
giving to themselves." It's interesting to note that despite how amazing 
this gesture is that the  lovely folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge 
deal about it. Which made me feel a lot more comfortable about accepting 
the bike, since it was done a month ago. (alas I don't check my voice 
messages) It was funny because of how awkward I felt during the last few 
months about the bike I didn't really have the courage to ask about the 
progress or if it was even done. I figured when the bike was ready and the 
time was right it would be done. 
This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were willing 
to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a really thank you 
over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through pictures. 

Because pictures proved how grateful I am.
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq

-Manny "Now to get it dirty" Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Thank you

[rw1911]

This is totally awesome, enjoy in good health!

(I have to laugh about the voicemail comment.  My wife is a teacher
and it's fruitless to leave her a VM if I expect any response)



On May 20, 12:57 am, Manuel Acosta 
wrote:
> Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny because
> my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am.  LIke any new
> shiny thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm not good at
> describing the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some of the things
> the kids say. " So smooth", " The pedals are smart", " This bike feels so
> right!"  was the general conversation after students took turns riding it
> around the school. So since school got out early I took the long way home.
> Decided to see if there was a way to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak.
> There is but not an easy way. The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden
> hike the bike uphills.  But the new bike got dirty so all was well.
>
> It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to receive
> such a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my pride of
> having to try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having gotten to talk to
> a bunch of people on the forum in person they really helped me understand
> that it's okay to accept other people's help. Grant put in better words
> "Everybody who helps you will be getting more out of it than they're
> giving, so you can legitimately think of this as a gift the givers are
> giving to themselves." It's interesting to note that despite how amazing
> this gesture is that the  lovely folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge
> deal about it. Which made me feel a lot more comfortable about accepting
> the bike, since it was done a month ago. (alas I don't check my voice
> messages) It was funny because of how awkward I felt during the last few
> months about the bike I didn't really have the courage to ask about the
> progress or if it was even done. I figured when the bike was ready and the
> time was right it would be done.
> This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were willing
> to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a really thank you
> over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through pictures.
>
> Because pictures proved how grateful I am.http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq
>
> -Manny "Now to get it dirty" Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Thank you

[Scot Brooks]

Super beautiful Bike, Manny. As a green/sidepull Sam owner, I get really 
jealous of all you orange/canti folks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just got back from a 10 mile ride...

[cyclotourist]

IMHO, A-bars work best when they are significantly above the saddle and way
forward. The Nitto non-dlx Technomic works great for this. If that's what
you have, pull it up some more, and then maybe swap out for a 12cm. Here's
what mine looked like after I went all
in.
Prior to that w/ a Tech-Dlx maxed out about an inch or so above saddle was
ok, but not great .
It really took that extra height and reach to make it just right. Looks
kinda' funny, but it works great!

On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I tried Albas on several different bikes, and even though I have short
> arms, the reach-back was too much.  I felt cramped and my hands/arms
> hurt.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On May 19, 9:16 pm, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> > That must be it, damn 8th grade girlfriend taught me all wrong most
> likely.
> > I will start juggling carbon bikes, they are so lightweight after all.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:08 AM, MSmith  wrote:
> > > Peter M wrote:
> >
> > > "...my arms were killing me.  I
> > > have been juggling a few different bikes lately..."
> >
> > > I suggest you stop juggling bicycles and your arms will stop hurting.
> >
> > > Or maybe start by juggling balls or beanbags, then clubs, then maybe
> > > chainsaws or bowling balls.  It takes a lot of practice before you
> start
> > > with bicycles.  By that time your arms will be used to it and they
> won't
> > > hurt as much.
> >
> > > Good luck- Mike
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[RBW] Re: Thank you

[Amit Singh]

Many Congratulations Manny!

On May 20, 12:57 am, Manuel Acosta 
wrote:
> Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny because
> my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am.  LIke any new
> shiny thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm not good at
> describing the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some of the things
> the kids say. " So smooth", " The pedals are smart", " This bike feels so
> right!"  was the general conversation after students took turns riding it
> around the school. So since school got out early I took the long way home.
> Decided to see if there was a way to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak.
> There is but not an easy way. The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden
> hike the bike uphills.  But the new bike got dirty so all was well.
>
> It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to receive
> such a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my pride of
> having to try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having gotten to talk to
> a bunch of people on the forum in person they really helped me understand
> that it's okay to accept other people's help. Grant put in better words
> "Everybody who helps you will be getting more out of it than they're
> giving, so you can legitimately think of this as a gift the givers are
> giving to themselves." It's interesting to note that despite how amazing
> this gesture is that the  lovely folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge
> deal about it. Which made me feel a lot more comfortable about accepting
> the bike, since it was done a month ago. (alas I don't check my voice
> messages) It was funny because of how awkward I felt during the last few
> months about the bike I didn't really have the courage to ask about the
> progress or if it was even done. I figured when the bike was ready and the
> time was right it would be done.
> This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were willing
> to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a really thank you
> over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through pictures.
>
> Because pictures proved how grateful I am.http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq
>
> -Manny "Now to get it dirty" Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Thank you

[Amit Singh]

Thank you for posting all the wonderful photos.

On May 20, 12:57 am, Manuel Acosta 
wrote:
> Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny because
> my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am.  LIke any new
> shiny thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm not good at
> describing the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some of the things
> the kids say. " So smooth", " The pedals are smart", " This bike feels so
> right!"  was the general conversation after students took turns riding it
> around the school. So since school got out early I took the long way home.
> Decided to see if there was a way to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak.
> There is but not an easy way. The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden
> hike the bike uphills.  But the new bike got dirty so all was well.
>
> It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to receive
> such a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my pride of
> having to try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having gotten to talk to
> a bunch of people on the forum in person they really helped me understand
> that it's okay to accept other people's help. Grant put in better words
> "Everybody who helps you will be getting more out of it than they're
> giving, so you can legitimately think of this as a gift the givers are
> giving to themselves." It's interesting to note that despite how amazing
> this gesture is that the  lovely folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge
> deal about it. Which made me feel a lot more comfortable about accepting
> the bike, since it was done a month ago. (alas I don't check my voice
> messages) It was funny because of how awkward I felt during the last few
> months about the bike I didn't really have the courage to ask about the
> progress or if it was even done. I figured when the bike was ready and the
> time was right it would be done.
> This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were willing
> to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a really thank you
> over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through pictures.
>
> Because pictures proved how grateful I am.http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq
>
> -Manny "Now to get it dirty" Acosta

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Re: [RBW] Thank you

[David Faller]

i just made that last photo into my desktop!

On 5/19/2012 9:57 PM, Manuel Acosta wrote:
Nothing beats New Bike Day. Rode the new bike to work. It was funny 
because my student's seem more excited about the bike then I am.  LIke 
any new shiny thing with wheels, all the kids wanted to ride it. I'm 
not good at describing the feel of a new steel bike so I'll quote some 
of the things the kids say. " So smooth", " The pedals are smart", " 
This bike feels so right!"  was the general conversation after 
students took turns riding it around the school. So since school got 
out early I took the long way home. Decided to see if there was a way 
to bike from Ed Levin to Mission Peak. There is but not an easy way. 
The maiden bike voyage turned into a maiden hike the bike uphills. 
 But the new bike got dirty so all was well.


It's kind of hard to describe how guilt ridden I felt having to 
receive such a nice gift. Call it my stubbornness to accept help or my 
pride of having to try and deal with my mistakes on my own. Having 
gotten to talk to a bunch of people on the forum in person they really 
helped me understand that it's okay to accept other people's help. 
Grant put in better words "Everybody who helps you will be getting 
more out of it than they're giving, so you can legitimately think of 
this as a gift the givers are giving to themselves." It's interesting 
to note that despite how amazing this gesture is that the  lovely 
folks at Rivendell HQ didn't make a huge deal about it. Which made me 
feel a lot more comfortable about accepting the bike, since it was 
done a month ago. (alas I don't check my voice messages) It was funny 
because of how awkward I felt during the last few months about the 
bike I didn't really have the courage to ask about the progress or if 
it was even done. I figured when the bike was ready and the time was 
right it would be done.
This bike is more meaningful to me knowing that so many people were 
willing to contribute in so many ways. It's hard to even express a 
really thank you over a simple forum, so I'll just do it through 
pictures.


Because pictures proved how grateful I am.
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjzqBUdq

-Manny "Now to get it dirty" Acosta

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