[RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[Amit Singh]

I posted the wrong link, maybe I'm a sucker for posting the right one,
but here it is:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2724017320.html

I found out because I got to thinking ... man ... this looks like a
Riv I recently saw.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25841843@N05/6367400353/in/pool-64927372@N00/

... The inverse of the above, color wise.  Cool, 'eh!

On Dec 7, 2:58 am, Amit Singh  wrote:
> Dear Rivenfolk;
>
> I'll be visiting the Bay Area for a week starting this weekend.  It's
> for an indulgent last-chance-grasp for summer.
>
> While I'm there I'll need a bicycle to get around on ... and for an
> S24O or two.
>
> I know there are lots of people who would offer their prized Riv in a
> heartbeat, y'all are some decent folks!  But ... I ride at least a 67,
> and I know Grant wants to put me on a 71 cm frame. So only a pin-prick
> of hope there.
>
> Alternately, I could peruse Craigslist, hoping to score a bicycle
> which may fit me.  ... like this one which I'm hoping none of you will
> pilfer from this post ...http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/2728505288.html.
>
> I don't know much about it but it looks like I can swap out the 27"
> wheels for a set of 700's and I could ride some plumper puffy tires,
> nice.
>
> Finally, I could rent a bicycle, which I know naught nothing about.
>
> Guidance, direction, advice, please, help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Amit
>
> p.s. why is the price of my bike's airplane ticket more expensive than
> mine?http://www.usairways.com/en-US/traveltools/baggage/specialitems.html

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Montclair BobbyB]

... as in drum or roller-brakes???

On Dec 6, 1:53 pm, William  wrote:
> >it feels more like a V.2 for Bomba.
>
> I'll disagree that conjecture just on the grounds of it looking like a
> caliper-brake only bike.  No canti posts, no disk mounts, no apparent
> provisions for a hub-brake of any kind, except maybe in the rear if those
> tentacle-stays have something to do with braking.

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Re: [RBW] Painter Recommendations?

[jimD]

Peter,
Call em.
D & D Cycles

510-278-2976
-Jimd



On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> If you don't mind me asking what does d&d charge for a proper riv repaint 
> with cream headtube, lug cut outs painted, etc?  Seriously thinking of making 
> this my winter project.  Thanks
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Dec 6, 2011 7:03 PM, "Bruce Herbitter"  wrote:
> Let me advise against Airglow Bicycle Painting in GA. I am having a terrible 
> time just getting my bike back from him and communication is near non 
> existent. 
> 
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] 
> on behalf of murphyjrfk [murphyj...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 6:54 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Painter Recommendations?
> 
> my atlantis needs a repaint. and i can't afford joe bell. i can dream
> though.
> any good recommendations? thanks
> 
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[RBW] Bicycle Quarterly Charity Drive

[Jan Heine]

We did our first charity drive in 2004 after the terrible Tsunami in
the Indian Ocean. Today, there is just as much need in the world. One
of the ways Bicycle Quarterly Press has chosen to make a difference is
our charity drive.

Until midnight, December 8, 2011, we will give 50% of the purchase
price of each Bicycle Quarterly subscription and renewal, as well as
of our book "The Competition Bicycle," to charities that help make the
world a better place. See our blog for more information at

http://janheine.wordpress.com/

Thank you.

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Here's what I'm expecting: belt-drive IGH with STI-type shifters and 
proprietary aluminum-spoked wheels. I'm surprised, frankly, that the frame 
is made of steel.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[Jim Mather]

>
> On Dec 7, 2:58 am, Amit Singh  wrote:
> > Dear Rivenfolk;
> >
> > I'll be visiting the Bay Area for a week starting this weekend.  It's
> > for an indulgent last-chance-grasp for summer.
>

I don't know how summery it will be. It's currently 34 degrees (Fahrenheit)
and sunny in the Creek, though the high is supposed to be 59. I'd pack an
extra layer for riding if I were you. Keep us updated on when you want to
ride. There is likely to be at least one member around to ride with if you
want a local guide.

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[EastBayGuy]

Jim is right, not very summery here in the East bay area. Riding the past 
few days in multi-Layered Wool and Rivs Wooly grippy gloves and still a bit 
nippy.

Monday and Tuesdays are my days off, so let me know if you want to go for a 
ride or a Cold and Dark S240 in the East bay Hills this Monday night.

Dustin G

Walnut Creek Ca

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Quarterly Charity Drive

[Joe Bernard]

Sold! Been meaning to subscribe for a while. 

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[jpp]

you forgot electric assist!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[William]

The first of the ten early adopters to document riding the HS across the 
country should get there's for free.  

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Quarterly Charity Drive

[Mojo]

I decided to renew for 2 more years.
Thanks Jan, for the great magazine and charitable giving.

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the. 603 mm bsd wheel size...

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Joe Bernard]

That might've been an amusing endeavor 5 years ago. In *this* economy..?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

[Sean Whelan]

All of this talk has me suddenly worrying about what my many-year old rims with 
thousands of miles on them would look like in profile when hack-sawed.

I think this thread might jump start the Christmas Wheelset sales rush.

I, for one, am thinking about it rather seriously.

Thanks,
Sean


--- On Tue, 12/6/11, Grant Petersen  wrote:

> From: Grant Petersen 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 2:08 AM
> Many of you will remember, and all of
> you can relate to Keith
> Bontrager's maxim from the late '80s:
> 
> Light Strong Inexpensive: Pick Two
> 
> It works to some extent with all bike parts, but even IT
> can't come to
> the rescue when the thing is just too light.
> 
> Do you know the thickness of the braking surface on a
> typical road
> rim? It's about 1.2mm. Some are 1.1. That's what fails when
> rims wear
> out and blow out. Well...1.1 or 1.2mm looks like nothing,
> which you
> consider the abrasion they're subject to and can't possibly
> avoid.
> (Disc brakes have their own set of problems, so let's stay
> on track.)
> 
> It used to be common practice to inspect brake pads AND
> rims, but
> raise you hand if you can remember the last time you did
> that.
> 
> How much should a non-racing 700c rim weigh? How thick
> should the
> braking surface be, and how tall? How wide should it be?
> Reasonable answers,  kind of, could be: Weight: 500g.
> Thickness of
> braking surface: 2.5mm. Height: 11mm. Width: 24mm.
> But a rim with those specs would weigh about 800g. I
> believe this
> because we're having a NOBS rim made to our specs, and it
> has 1.6mm
> braking surface, 10.5mm brake surface height, is 25.4 (1)
> mm wide, and
> weighs about 650g. It's wider than 24, but way thinner than
> 2.5, and
> the 10.5<11. I think this is a totally reasonable rim,
> in every way. I
> wanted 2mm of braking surface, but that would have meant
> zero buyers,
> so we settled on the world-record 1.6, bringing the weight
> down to a
> near world record 650g, and even though I think it's a
> perfectly
> fantastic rim for general nonracing use---touring, trails,
> commuting,
> all purpose riding when there's not a timer or a finish
> line with a
> banner---I believe we'll end up selling it mostly to guys
> who weigh
> 300 pounds and are sick and tired of wheel
> problems...because most
> riders like the idea of stout stuff, but don't really want
> the weight
> that comes with it.
> We'll continue to offer other rimsbut this new rim will
> be the way
> to go when you truly, really, want a durable rim and
> wheel.
> (Anywaythe new stouty won't be available for many
> months).
> 
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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Thomas Skean]

I tried Shimano IGHs a few years ago. Went through three of them in <2,000 
miles. At first I thought it was my weight; that they simply weren't made to 
operate under the torques induced by a 275lb (at the time) person. It might 
also have been the gritty nature of the paths I rode. But the last hub, which 
lasted more than 1,000 miles, would not shift much at all when it was 20 
degrees or colder. That was the final nail; I ride year round and park outside 
in the Chicago area. A shifting system that literally froze just didn't work 
for me.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
who finds IGHs appealing but has IGH CFS

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[RBW] Re: Painter Recommendations?

[murphyjrfk]

I'm midwest. But it looks like D&D wins huh.
Thanks for the resonses.

On Dec 6, 2:07 pm, Matthew J  wrote:
> Where are you and your Atlantis?
>
> East Coast, Tom Kellogg of Spectrum Cycles will squeeze in repaints
> around his bicycle production work.
>
> Tom is an amazing painter:
>
> http://www.spectrum-cycles.com/
>
> On Dec 5, 7:54 am, murphyjrfk  wrote:
>
>
>
> > my atlantis needs a repaint. and i can't afford joe bell. i can dream
> > though.
> > any good recommendations? thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[A D]

I really thought I was the only Riv riding Biggie fan.  I don't have
anything close to a 67 for you but if I did you would be more than
welcome to it.

BTW - spent a year and a half consulting in Detroit. The 72 floor
Marriott GM center was my home away from home. Even was lucky enough
to be in town for the Red Wings Stanley Cup.

AD

On Dec 7, 12:06 am, Amit Singh  wrote:
> I posted the wrong link, maybe I'm a sucker for posting the right one,
> but here it is:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/2724017320.html
>
> I found out because I got to thinking ... man ... this looks like a
> Riv I recently saw.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25841843@N05/6367400353/in/pool-64927372...
>
> ... The inverse of the above, color wise.  Cool, 'eh!
>
> On Dec 7, 2:58 am, Amit Singh  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dear Rivenfolk;
>
> > I'll be visiting the Bay Area for a week starting this weekend.  It's
> > for an indulgent last-chance-grasp for summer.
>
> > While I'm there I'll need a bicycle to get around on ... and for an
> > S24O or two.
>
> > I know there are lots of people who would offer their prized Riv in a
> > heartbeat, y'all are some decent folks!  But ... I ride at least a 67,
> > and I know Grant wants to put me on a 71 cm frame. So only a pin-prick
> > of hope there.
>
> > Alternately, I could peruse Craigslist, hoping to score a bicycle
> > which may fit me.  ... like this one which I'm hoping none of you will
> > pilfer from this post 
> > ...http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/2728505288.html.
>
> > I don't know much about it but it looks like I can swap out the 27"
> > wheels for a set of 700's and I could ride some plumper puffy tires,
> > nice.
>
> > Finally, I could rent a bicycle, which I know naught nothing about.
>
> > Guidance, direction, advice, please, help.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Amit
>
> > p.s. why is the price of my bike's airplane ticket more expensive than
> > mine?http://www.usairways.com/en-US/traveltools/baggage/specialitems.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

[Ray Shine]

I'm with you!  Scary, especially since I ride s many hills and grades. Lots 
of braking.  






From: Sean Whelan 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 7, 2011 10:35:17 AM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure

All of this talk has me suddenly worrying about what my many-year old rims with 
thousands of miles on them would look like in profile when hack-sawed.

I think this thread might jump start the Christmas Wheelset sales rush.

I, for one, am thinking about it rather seriously.

Thanks,
Sean


--- On Tue, 12/6/11, Grant Petersen  wrote:

> From: Grant Petersen 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Near-Catastrophic Rim Failure
> To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
> Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 2:08 AM
> Many of you will remember, and all of
> you can relate to Keith
> Bontrager's maxim from the late '80s:
> 
> Light Strong Inexpensive: Pick Two
> 
> It works to some extent with all bike parts, but even IT
> can't come to
> the rescue when the thing is just too light.
> 
> Do you know the thickness of the braking surface on a
> typical road
> rim? It's about 1.2mm. Some are 1.1. That's what fails when
> rims wear
> out and blow out. Well...1.1 or 1.2mm looks like nothing,
> which you
> consider the abrasion they're subject to and can't possibly
> avoid.
> (Disc brakes have their own set of problems, so let's stay
> on track.)
> 
> It used to be common practice to inspect brake pads AND
> rims, but
> raise you hand if you can remember the last time you did
> that.
> 
> How much should a non-racing 700c rim weigh? How thick
> should the
> braking surface be, and how tall? How wide should it be?
> Reasonable answers,  kind of, could be: Weight: 500g.
> Thickness of
> braking surface: 2.5mm. Height: 11mm. Width: 24mm.
> But a rim with those specs would weigh about 800g. I
> believe this
> because we're having a NOBS rim made to our specs, and it
> has 1.6mm
> braking surface, 10.5mm brake surface height, is 25.4 (1)
> mm wide, and
> weighs about 650g. It's wider than 24, but way thinner than
> 2.5, and
> the 10.5<11. I think this is a totally reasonable rim,
> in every way. I
> wanted 2mm of braking surface, but that would have meant
> zero buyers,
> so we settled on the world-record 1.6, bringing the weight
> down to a
> near world record 650g, and even though I think it's a
> perfectly
> fantastic rim for general nonracing use---touring, trails,
> commuting,
> all purpose riding when there's not a timer or a finish
> line with a
> banner---I believe we'll end up selling it mostly to guys
> who weigh
> 300 pounds and are sick and tired of wheel
> problems...because most
> riders like the idea of stout stuff, but don't really want
> the weight
> that comes with it.
> We'll continue to offer other rimsbut this new rim will
> be the way
> to go when you truly, really, want a durable rim and
> wheel.
> (Anywaythe new stouty won't be available for many
> months).
> 
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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[EricP]

603??  Drat.  Had just stocked up on 601s.  Sigh.

You also forgot the retro-direct shifting.  As well as lugged (to the
frame) non-adjustable in any way seatpost.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Dec 7, 12:08 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the. 603 mm bsd wheel size...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Painter Recommendations?

[Dan Abelson]

If you are in or near Minnesota you could give Chris Kvale a call.
http://www.chriskvalecycles.com/CKC/Home.html The repaints of his that
I have seen have looked great (his bikes also look great, I would love
to pick up a used one someday as a go fast bike -- I have plenty of
bikes for now, however).

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:29 AM, murphyjrfk  wrote:
> I'm midwest. But it looks like D&D wins huh.
> Thanks for the resonses.
>
> On Dec 6, 2:07 pm, Matthew J  wrote:
>> Where are you and your Atlantis?
>>
>> East Coast, Tom Kellogg of Spectrum Cycles will squeeze in repaints
>> around his bicycle production work.
>>
>> Tom is an amazing painter:
>>
>> http://www.spectrum-cycles.com/
>>
>> On Dec 5, 7:54 am, murphyjrfk  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > my atlantis needs a repaint. and i can't afford joe bell. i can dream
>> > though.
>> > any good recommendations? thanks- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Mike]

There's pictures of the bike built-up on the Blug. It looks really
nice. Probably not for everyone but nice. I'd ride one but I'm set for
a commuter. it's really making me consider putting upright bars on my
QB...

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Roger]

It's a Long-Long!


On Dec 7, 12:10 pm, Mike  wrote:
> There's pictures of the bike built-up on the Blug. It looks really
> nice. Probably not for everyone but nice. I'd ride one but I'm set for
> a commuter. it's really making me consider putting upright bars on my
> QB...
>
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/
>
> --mike

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[RBW] Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Joe Bernard]

The "tentacle stays" are that way because...Grant likes 'em that way. 
 
*http://rivbike.tumblr.com/* 

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Mike]

On Dec 7, 1:09 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
 wrote:
> Everything makes sense, except why the horizontal drops?
>

Probably so that it can be set up as a singlespeed if one chooses. My
commuter is a singlespeed, it just makes sense for me given that my
commute is short and relatively flat. Certainly easier to keep the
drivetrain clean and running smoothly.

--mike

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[RBW] Replacement "buckle" for Country Bag

[Steve]

Long shot, but this is an innovative group, so figured I'd ask.
Looking for a replacement "buckle" that is used to secure the side
pockets on a Nigel Symthe country bag.  This is the piece of leather
that has a hole to attach to a post on the pocket flap and a strap
portion with holes that attaches to the pocket.

Probably have to have one custom made...would also be interested to
hear if anyone know of someone who can do such work and is willing to
accept small jobs.

Thanks

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RE: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Everything makes sense, except why the horizontal drops?

Bike looks really great. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:11 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

There's pictures of the bike built-up on the Blug. It looks really nice. 
Probably not for everyone but nice. I'd ride one but I'm set for a commuter. 
it's really making me consider putting upright bars on my QB...

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[William]

Still no explanation for the "HS" though.  I wonder...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike (HS)

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 10:17 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> Function determines (or ought to determine) form! Beauty in craft is
> not cosmetic but comes from good (= intelligent: proper ratio of means
> to ends) design, which obviously means, "design for the given
> purpose."

That may well be your religion, but it is not a universal Truth.  

All welded joints are not equally beautiful: I've seen plenty of
perfectly satisfactory weld joints that looked as though they were
caulked with dog feces smeared on with a popsicle stick.  

What's more, paint has but one functional purpose, to protect the
underlying surface from the elements.  Unattractive colors, blobs,
orange peel, all serve the function equally well, but it is absurd to
claim they are all equally beautiful because of that.



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Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[robert zeidler]

I like it and I like it's intended mission.  I'm hoping I'll get a lil
bit of input on some details regarding fit issues, function issues.
Otherwise, as GP intended, I'll shut up.

RGZ

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> The "tentacle stays" are that way because...Grant likes 'em that way.
>
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/
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Re: [RBW] Soliciting Suggestions for Day Trip In and/or Around Davis California

[Rex Kerr]

West to Pleasant Valley Road (beautiful road), then across the grade and
back via Dixon is a nice ride, and not too hard if you want to take it
easy.

Another option would be to ride East to Sac and take the American River
bike trail up to Folsom, loop around lake Natoma and then head back on the
AR trail, but that has a lot of duplication [same trail out and back] and
is probably closer to 90 miles.

North and South are both ugly and boring IMO...


On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Corwin  wrote:

> Hi -
>
> In the interests of getting away, I am planning to take Amtrak to
> Davis next week. Will arrive in Davis shortly after 8am, and return
> via Amtrak shortly after 9pm the same day. I have ridden many long and
> short rides. Notable recent rides are Grizzly Peak Century (metric
> course) and rides up Mt. Diablo and the Berkeley Hills.
>
> Looking for scenic rides in the neighborhood of 40 - 80 miles. May
> include desirable waypoints and/or destinations. If the weather is
> wet, I will take the Quickbeam (now sporting fenders). If not, I will
> ride the custom (fenderless).
>
> I'm comfortable supporting myself with respect to clothing/snacks/
> mechanical. That's not to say that I don't appreciate a nice
> restaurant or cafe along the route every bit as much as anyone else.
>
> Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>
>
> Corwin
>
> P.S.: The Amtrak ticket appears to be flexible enough to allow travel
> anytime between the stated times on the ticket. So I have the freedom
> of returning as soon as I like.
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Re: [RBW] Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[William]

RGZ you're bound to like it.  

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[RBW] FS pair of 700x50 Marathon XR tires folding

[William]

In my attempt to balloonize my Hillborne I bought a set of 4 Marathon XRs 
on Ebay.  Turns out they were just a hair too wide in front, and rubbed on 
the fork crown.  That, combined with a temporary cashflow issue, led me to 
hatch a plan:  Sell the Hillborne now, and save up for an Atlantis later, 
that will take these tires.  

Well, the Atlantis idea is still there on the horizon, but the horizon is 
far.  It's not even next on my bike acquisition plan list.  So I sold a set 
of these tires to another group member, and I'm now offering up the other 
set to the group.  $50 shipped for a pair of Marathon XRs.  700x50, and 
they measured a legit 49mm on Bontrager Fairlane rims.  

Pics of the tires.  They are used, but have a TON of material left on them. 
 Reflective sidewall strip, too.  Let me know if you want a grip of 29er 
tubes in the box with the tires.  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157628080435078/


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[RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Amit,
I highly recommend shipping your bike UPS or Fedex or whatever. It will be 
cheaper than buying some "vintage" Schwinn, and you'll have YOUR bike to 
ride. Taking it on a plane, even if it's free, is a hassle, with a lot of 
risk.

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[RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[William]

If only there was somebody in the Bay Area, selling a SUPER CHEAP 69cm 
lugged steel bicycle.  :)

That hugey Fuji finally sold, but you had your chance and passed on it

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[grant]

They're not "tentacle" stays...they're "tentacular" !   Good name.
Now, if I could only come up with a theory to explain the asymmetry.

The truth is, when I sent my drawing to Taiwan (yes,this may be a
production bike at some distant point), I sent symmetrical stays, more
like the one of the drive side. When I got back their interpretation,
they were asymmetrical, like you see here. My first reaction was
exactly what anybody's would have been: "What'sit? Why? Who said to do
that? It's  not what I'd expect--that kind of loosey goosey
creativity---from a do-as-you're-told Taiwanese CAD dude." THen, about
five seconds later, I loved it, welcomed it, and that was it.

They have to have an effect, and the effect has to be a slight
stiffening or reinforcing. They can't NOT do that.  The task is simple
and I like how they look, and so Tapebubba is kind of right.

HS: Early on, I was thinking of this as a super slack bike. A slacker
bike. A Slackeur...and in keeping with the primate names lately, I
thought OK, Henri Slackeur..or Henriettta Slackeuse, for the fairer
sex there. But it seemed like too much of a joke on the American fad
of Frenchifying everything...not that we've never done that, but the
door is shut on it for now, at least.

The current working model name is Abner Thorp...but I think that may
be too harsh for some, so it's far from final. It could be Rosco
Bubbe, even tho that was going to be for the kid's bike that probably
won't happen. I do like that name a lot. Right now I'm not thinking
much about the name (and please no suggestions, so I don't feel
horrible for not taking them, if I don't). I figure anybody who can
handle the curvey T-stays and the overall idea of the bike can also
handle a slightly out-of-bounds name, but it won't be H. Slackeur/
Slackeuse.

SIze on a production model, if it happens, will be 50.7, 54.3, 58.7,
61.7. The smally will have 650B. The two bigs, 700c. The 54.3 I got
has 700c, but final may be 650B. The 650B Bettys we have a really boss-
riding bikes, and Dave here is rooting for it. I don't know yet.


On Dec 7, 1:47 pm, William  wrote:
> Still no explanation for the "HS" though.  I wonder...

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[William]

Jim Thorpe's full name was *Jacobus Franciscus Thorpe*
*
*
but his fambly prolly own the rights to that.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[Joe Bunik]

but will Amit be buying it a ticket home?!?

Maybe he could buy it a *seat* next to him. I lived with a cellist
once who insisted on doing that. Damn, that was a pricey cello...

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Mike]

The "Colonel Sherman T. Potter" would have been a sweet name for it,
especially as it was "unveiled" on the day Harry Morgan departed this
world. Although my hands down favorite name for a Riv bike would be
the "Ignatius J. Reilly".  I'll just shut up now.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[dougP]

A couple of us speculators suggested the stays were intended to
counteract torsional forces in the rear triangle caused by the drive
being on one side.  Seems like as good a story as any, and they look
pretty interesting as well.  They are a bit muted with the bike built
up.  A front basket would be a nice complement to the overall look.

dougP

On Dec 7, 3:44 pm, grant  wrote:
> They're not "tentacle" stays...they're "tentacular" !   Good name.
> Now, if I could only come up with a theory to explain the asymmetry.
>
> The truth is, when I sent my drawing to Taiwan (yes,this may be a
> production bike at some distant point), I sent symmetrical stays, more
> like the one of the drive side. When I got back their interpretation,
> they were asymmetrical, like you see here. My first reaction was
> exactly what anybody's would have been: "What'sit? Why? Who said to do
> that? It's  not what I'd expect--that kind of loosey goosey
> creativity---from a do-as-you're-told Taiwanese CAD dude." THen, about
> five seconds later, I loved it, welcomed it, and that was it.
>
> They have to have an effect, and the effect has to be a slight
> stiffening or reinforcing. They can't NOT do that.  The task is simple
> and I like how they look, and so Tapebubba is kind of right.
>
> HS: Early on, I was thinking of this as a super slack bike. A slacker
> bike. A Slackeur...and in keeping with the primate names lately, I
> thought OK, Henri Slackeur..or Henriettta Slackeuse, for the fairer
> sex there. But it seemed like too much of a joke on the American fad
> of Frenchifying everything...not that we've never done that, but the
> door is shut on it for now, at least.
>
> The current working model name is Abner Thorp...but I think that may
> be too harsh for some, so it's far from final. It could be Rosco
> Bubbe, even tho that was going to be for the kid's bike that probably
> won't happen. I do like that name a lot. Right now I'm not thinking
> much about the name (and please no suggestions, so I don't feel
> horrible for not taking them, if I don't). I figure anybody who can
> handle the curvey T-stays and the overall idea of the bike can also
> handle a slightly out-of-bounds name, but it won't be H. Slackeur/
> Slackeuse.
>
> SIze on a production model, if it happens, will be 50.7, 54.3, 58.7,
> 61.7. The smally will have 650B. The two bigs, 700c. The 54.3 I got
> has 700c, but final may be 650B. The 650B Bettys we have a really boss-
> riding bikes, and Dave here is rooting for it. I don't know yet.
>
> On Dec 7, 1:47 pm, William  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Still no explanation for the "HS" though.  I wonder...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Joe Bernard]

"Tentacular". That's funny. ;-)
 
I'd still like to see the Slacker bike. I have an Electra Amsterdam that 
fits that criteria, and has a bar similar to the NuBar, but without as much 
back-reach. The bike's seattube angle falls somewhere between "normal", and 
the very-crank-forward Townies Electra builds. I sit bolt-upright on a big 
ole sprung saddle. A recumbent couldn't be any more comfortable. A 
production Rivendell Slacker with NuBar would be very cool. If you ever 
want to ride my Amsterdam, gimme a holler.
 
Joe Bernard
Fairfield, CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Replacement "buckle" for Country Bag

[Jim M.]

I would think that an outdoor gear repair shop, or a shoe repair shop
could do it pretty easily. People can probably recommend places if
they know where you are.

jim m
wc ca



On Dec 7, 1:20 pm, Steve  wrote:
> Long shot, but this is an innovative group, so figured I'd ask.
> Looking for a replacement "buckle" that is used to secure the side
> pockets on a Nigel Symthe country bag.  This is the piece of leather
> that has a hole to attach to a post on the pocket flap and a strap
> portion with holes that attaches to the pocket.
>
> Probably have to have one custom made...would also be interested to
> hear if anyone know of someone who can do such work and is willing to
> accept small jobs.
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Marty]

Here's a quick look at the whole family affair - a regular lineage line-up. 
I won't debate the tentacularity here, but the diagatuberosity is 
impressive!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/6474336541/in/photostream

Marty

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[EricP]

Guess this means we can start talking about "tentacular fortitude"?

Have to admit having a bike like Grant's idea a few years ago.  It was
a Cross Check that was too big for me.  Ended up using an Albatross
bar just to be able to ride it.  God ride, but ended up being
impractical in winter in Minnesota.  Not enough weight up front to
help control the bike.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 7, 7:01 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Here's a quick look at the whole family affair - a regular lineage line-up.
> I won't debate the tentacularity here, but the diagatuberosity is
> impressive!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/6474336541/in/photostream
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Scott G.]

For shifting front rings every once in a while, a clanger is a cool option.
The Simplex and GB made neat ones.

http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/clangers-comp.html

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Mike]

> For shifting front rings every once in a while, a clanger is a cool option.
> The Simplex and GB made neat ones.
>
> http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/clangers-comp.html

Bring back the Clanger! Seriously, I kind of like that. Thanks for
posting.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[David Yu Greenblatt]

I love the name *Slackeur *for a bike.

And if Rivendell developed a Silver brand manual changer (*Clangeur*?) I
would certainly buy a few.

David G
Madison WI


On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Scott G.  wrote:

> For shifting front rings every once in a while, a clanger is a cool option.
> The Simplex and GB made neat ones.
>
> http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/components/clangers-comp.html
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Joe Bernard]

I think rod operated front derailers are the coolest bike part, ever. I'd LOVE 
to have one on my AHH.

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[RBW] Conzelman Road Redux

[Ray]

After experiencing that rim failure last Sunday, I switched out the
wheels on my Gomez with some relatively new Salsa wheels I had on
another bike. I have ordered a new set of wheels from Rich Lesnik, but
these will do until those arrive. After work this afternoon, I rode
the usual loop back into the Headlands. I took a few pix, too:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157628327426017/

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[RBW] Re: Conzelman Road Redux

[eflayer]

those look like stem mounted shifters? what bracket did you use to mount 
those?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Conzelman Road Redux

[Ray Shine]

Those are Paul thumbies, stacked one over the other. I got the idea from Rene 
on 
this list. I have two other bikes with old SunTour stem shifters. I like them 
for uprights.





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Sent: Wed, December 7, 2011 7:45:27 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Conzelman Road Redux

those look like stem mounted shifters? what bracket did you use to mount those? 
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[RBW] Re: Odd New Bike: Built, Explained

[Ginz]

Clanger, maybe, but no one is going to talk
me out of a front changer. I'm a huge MASH fan, as well.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Conzelman Road Redux

[Joe Bernard]

That orange bottle is bright, eh? I just got one and put it on my plum 
Bstone XO-3. With the bike parked in my bedroom, it makes a great night 
light. ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Conzelman Road Redux

[Ray Shine]

Yeah, after the top wears out, I can cut the bottle into strips and lace them 
through my spokes!





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Sent: Wed, December 7, 2011 8:43:40 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Conzelman Road Redux

That orange bottle is bright, eh? I just got one and put it on my plum Bstone 
XO-3. With the bike parked in my bedroom, it makes a great night light. ;-) 

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[RBW] GP Quote in Adventure Cycling Bike Bits Newsletter

[Robert F. Harrison]

I just noticed that the latest Bike Bits Newsletter (Vol 13, No 23) for Dec
7 starts off with a quote from Grant:



"A big lie is that frame material is the most important factor in
determining how a bike rides. That's not true. Frame design is most
important. You can get almost any material to do anything."
-Grant Petersen, founder of Rivendell Bicycle Works



I couldn't find that on the website (doesn't mean it's not there) so I'm
wondering where it came from...anyone know/remember?

Aloha,

Bob


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[RBW] Re: Going Going, Back Back, To Cali Cali :: Visiting the Bay Area!

[Amit Singh]

I'm ready to ride anytime, Holy Moses, am I ready.

Monday sounds like a plan.  But so does Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday and
Thursday.

Friday through Sunday I'm committed to birthday parties and
snowboarding in Tahoe.

I'd really like to see the hills, ride up above the clouds, shoot some
photos, eat some good food and do some bicycle camping.  Since this is
my first time riding in the Bay Area, I'm totally open.  A grand 'ol
tour to explore would be cool, but so would cherry picking a few
favorite rides and spots.

Thanks y'all for the warm welcome.  I'll look forward to seeing -- and
riding, eating, drinking and celebrating with those who can can soon.

I'm So Excited!  A!

Amit

On Dec 7, 7:02 pm, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> but will Amit be buying it a ticket home?!?
>
> Maybe he could buy it a *seat* next to him. I lived with a cellist
> once who insisted on doing that. Damn, that was a pricey cello...

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