[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub

[charlie]

You might also look at the Sanyo hub from Peter White he sells it for
$40 and it has cartridge bearings.  From what I have read the reports
are good on it. I may get one for another bike since the price is so
reasonable.

On Mar 14, 9:15 pm, Ariel Bautista  wrote:
> If it's the same hub that Grant mentions, then I sure hope that the
> new Reader comes out before the sale ends over at VO. I was interested
> in the hub as well for I too am in the market for a dyno system. I'd
> only be needing the lighting for commuting purposes, but I'd hate to
> opt for the cheapest setup and end up with an unreliable lighting
> system. Everyone speaks so highly of the SON DeLux, but I'm already
> eating spuds!!! If the durability warrants the price tag though, then
> I'll accept the fact that all my nutrition will be sourced from
> potatoes until I graduate...
>
> On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete  wrote:
>
> > I see they finaly turned up at 
> > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html
> > Even Grant seem to be 
> > impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322
> > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a
> > review is premature so lets speculate wildly!
> > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal
> > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use
> > are commuting, brevés and touring.
> > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html

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[RBW] Patagonia Shoe Report

[Bruce]

Based on past recommendations seen here on the list, I've tried and enjoyed 
Addidas Sambas and Virtuvian running shoes. For the past two weeks, I've 
pedaled 
in something new and really like it for free footed pedaling. Patagonia 
"Boaris" 
shoes. These are pigskin based (Boar-is, get it? Ugh) and quite sturdy, while 
still light. Roomy toe box and not too wide heel (avoids crank arm rub that 
some 
running shoes give) and a firm (but not solid stiff) Vibram sole. It's this 
last 
feature that works for me on rides over 50 miles, especially when cranking up 
hills a lot. The centers of my arches can get sore from a long hard day on the 
pedals and these soles are firm enough for support, but flexible enough to 
avoid 
being confining.

I got a pair in a discontinued color (that is pretty close to my Saluki's 
"Linda 
Blair Green" color. Style points, eh?) for cheap at Rue LaLa, but you can 
Google 
and find them lot's of places at discount.

Tailwinds.

Bruce


  

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[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub

[dan gee]

It's a neat idea, but gambling $40 more than a 3N72 on something with
no track record doesn't strike me as the best idea, especially
considering that VO has been not utterly fantastic about handling
repairs in my experience. I'll wait to see how well they do after a
couple of years of hard use... Plus I really wonder if you'd even
notice the lack of drag when switched off.

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[RBW] Re: Were you "RIV" before you realized it?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Funny I had that same bag back when I attended Northeastern U in
Boston... mainly because it was priced less than some of the so-called
"fancier" nylon bags.  It served me well, but I didn't fully
appreciate it I only wish I held onto it.

Great story... use it, appreciate it, covet it...

BB

On Mar 14, 5:11 pm, Mojo  wrote:
> Nice saddlebag!.
>
> I would argue that back in the day, if those days were pre-1984 or so,
> we were all Bobish.
> After 1984 the cycling industry moved away from verstility towards
> specificity, from small shops to large factories.
> Of course most cyclists went with them but for a small fringe strange
> group.
>
> In the late 70s I was not considered strange when I bought a wood-
> leather-canvas backpack and wool knickers.
> I still have them both, though the knickers waistband has shrunk
> considerably with 
> time!http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5527428294/in/set-721576261...http://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5527428300/in/set-721576261...
>
> On Mar 14, 12:45 pm, jinxed  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I thought some of you might appreciate this.
>
> > I ventured into the attic at request of the wife looking for a
> > particular book.
>
> > Not having any luck in the places I expected, the search widened into
> > some "time capsule" boxes. Stumbling across some old comic books and
> > drawings I had done back in grade school, it became an adventure.
>
> > Well at the bottom of one rather dusty box...I found something that
> > surprised me. It's origins long forgotten, but the object was
> > immediately recognized.
>
> > A never used, made in France, tags and everything, Lafuma Handlebar
> > Bag.
>
> > I can only assume it was something I thought was completely nerdy and
> > useless when it was packed into this box, having been a high zoot
> > mountain biker. BUT, for whatever reason I had mind to stow it away. I
> > doubt I'll ever use it since I run moustache bars exclusively, but I'm
> > glad somewhere in the cobwebs of my craw I recognized some value in
> > it. Doesn't get more "French Country Bike" than this. Maybe I should
> > drop for a vintage Rene Herse to hang it on?
>
> > OH...and I did find the book BTW.
>
> > Here is a couple quick shots:
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027576@N00/sets/72157626265530634/- Hide 
> >quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Perhaps someone can enlighten me...

The switched hub specifications indicate that there is a difference
between the distance from the left flange to the dropout and the
distance from the right flange to the dropout.

Does this imply that a wheel built with this hub would have non-zero
dish? If so, is that typical of dynamo hubs? I guess I always thought
a front wheel would be dishless. It never occurred to me that the
mechanism of the dynamo itself would be left-right asymetrical.

Curiously,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Mar 14, 10:50 am, Pete  wrote:
> I see they finaly turned up at 
> VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html
> Even Grant seem to be impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322
> Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a
> review is premature so lets speculate wildly!
> I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal
> or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use
> are commuting, brevés and touring.
> Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html

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[RBW] Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Earl Grey]

Thanks, Grant,

for the link to the TED talk. While the speaker threw out some
interesting numbers, nobody I have read/listened to on either side is
quoting numbers that really let us compare the dangers of biking
versus driving versus walking in urban areas. We need accident (minor
and serious) and death rate per hour driven/ridden/walked to make a
realistic comparison of how dangerous these modes are. 4 driver/
passenger death per year sounds impressive, but you can't compare it
to bike deaths without knowing numbers of hours spent in cars/on
bikes.

Per hour rather than per mile because people make choices as to where
they live based on the mode of transportation they use, keeping
transit times more or less the same. In other words, someone who bike
commutes isn't going to move 50 miles from his/her work, but someone
who drives wouldn't think twice about it (in North America, at least).
The pain threshold for what is "too far" for any given activity is not
measured in miles, but in time in transit.

Does anyone know where to find these numbers? Would be great to
compare different countries as well.

Thanks,

Gernot

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[RBW] Re: Best Look or Look-clone pedals?

[Travis]

'Look' (yuck yuck) into the Ritchey WCS Echelon Road pedals. I have a
pair and have been quite happy with them. They are compatible with
standard Look Keo cleats, but are lighter than most Look brand pedals
(and all the Shimano pedals), yet are made out of aluminum and have
pretty decent bearings. I have them on my road racing bike, but I
wouldn't hesitate to take them touring (along with spare cleats of
course), they seem that durable.

Travis

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[RBW] Re: Were you "RIV" before you realized it?

[Peter Pesce]

Great story. I had nothing so classic - just a black nylon Eclipse bag 
hanging off the bars of my Schwinn LeTour. 

I agree with others - back then there was no such thing as "Riv-ish." In 
fact, back then there were few, if any, self-identified bike subcultures (at 
least on the east coast, in the pre-mountain bike era) and bikes were pretty 
much just bikes. Of course, there were beautiful Italian racing bikes to 
covet, but for the most part a suburban teenager in the late 70's just rode 
around for fun, occasionally pretending they were starring in their own 
version of "Breaking Away." :)

-Pete

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Re: [RBW] Re: Best Look or Look-clone pedals?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks; I think Co Cycl or Perf have these on sale -- may just jump.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Travis  wrote:

> 'Look' (yuck yuck) into the Ritchey WCS Echelon Road pedals. I have a
> pair and have been quite happy with them. They are compatible with
> standard Look Keo cleats, but are lighter than most Look brand pedals
> (and all the Shimano pedals), yet are made out of aluminum and have
> pretty decent bearings. I have them on my road racing bike, but I
> wouldn't hesitate to take them touring (along with spare cleats of
> course), they seem that durable.
>
> Travis
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Re: [RBW] Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[PATRICK MOORE]

If I can find the link, I'll post the stats I found claiming that, per hour,
cycling is as dangerous for serious injury and death as driving and half as
dangerous as walking.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Earl Grey  wrote:

> Thanks, Grant,
>
> for the link to the TED talk. While the speaker threw out some
> interesting numbers, nobody I have read/listened to on either side is
> quoting numbers that really let us compare the dangers of biking
> versus driving versus walking in urban areas. We need accident (minor
> and serious) and death rate per hour driven/ridden/walked to make a
> realistic comparison of how dangerous these modes are. 4 driver/
> passenger death per year sounds impressive, but you can't compare it
> to bike deaths without knowing numbers of hours spent in cars/on
> bikes.
>
> Per hour rather than per mile because people make choices as to where
> they live based on the mode of transportation they use, keeping
> transit times more or less the same. In other words, someone who bike
> commutes isn't going to move 50 miles from his/her work, but someone
> who drives wouldn't think twice about it (in North America, at least).
> The pain threshold for what is "too far" for any given activity is not
> measured in miles, but in time in transit.
>
> Does anyone know where to find these numbers? Would be great to
> compare different countries as well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gernot
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[RBW] Re: this is how i roll (bike porn)

[jandrews_nyc]

Looks good Brett. I just put some white Hetres on my Bleriot too.
Wishing that I just bought the black ones though.
One question : is that a 59cm frame? If so can you tell me the exact
standover height with those Hetres?
Thanks a lot
Jason




On Mar 15, 12:45 pm, Brett Lindenbach 
wrote:
> finally got the 
> blériotbuilt
>  enough to ride to work today on her maiden voyage...
> more/better pictures to come.
> cheers,
> bdl

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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Rob]

Here's some good info on the subject from my friends down the hall at 
Sightline: 
http://daily.sightline.org/daily_score/archive/2007/10/08/safe-streets-bicycle-neglect-7

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] this is how i roll (bike porn)

[Brett Lindenbach]

finally got the 
blériotbuilt
 enough to ride to work today on her maiden voyage...
more/better pictures to come.
cheers,
bdl

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[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for the heads-up on the Sanyo that Peter White sells. I never
browse his site, since he's got the '1000 words are worth a picture'
thing going on. The picture he does have on there makes me like the
Sanyo better than the Novatech, though. Sexier photography is worth
$5.

The Novatech isn't on sale, but I don't imagine they have a huge
number left at $35.

 Philip

On Mar 14, 11:55 pm, charlie  wrote:
> You might also look at the Sanyo hub from Peter White he sells it for
> $40 and it has cartridge bearings.  From what I have read the reports
> are good on it. I may get one for another bike since the price is so
> reasonable.
>
> On Mar 14, 9:15 pm, Ariel Bautista  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > If it's the same hub that Grant mentions, then I sure hope that the
> > new Reader comes out before the sale ends over at VO. I was interested
> > in the hub as well for I too am in the market for a dyno system. I'd
> > only be needing the lighting for commuting purposes, but I'd hate to
> > opt for the cheapest setup and end up with an unreliable lighting
> > system. Everyone speaks so highly of the SON DeLux, but I'm already
> > eating spuds!!! If the durability warrants the price tag though, then
> > I'll accept the fact that all my nutrition will be sourced from
> > potatoes until I graduate...
>
> > On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete  wrote:
>
> > > I see they finaly turned up at 
> > > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html
> > > Even Grant seem to be 
> > > impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322
> > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a
> > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly!
> > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal
> > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use
> > > are commuting, brevés and touring.
> > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html

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[RBW] Re: this is how i roll (bike porn)

[grrlyrida]

That's a beautiful set up, Brett. Ridiculously gorgeous.

What size are those wood fenders? Do you think the fit is better than
the honjos with the hetres?

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> cheers,
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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Mike]

What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
fear.

I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
make a tweed lugged model.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] this is how i roll (bike porn)

[Bruce Baker]

Brett,
That Nigel Smythe bag looks great!!!
Cheers,
Bruce

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> blériotbuilt
>  enough to ride to work today on her maiden voyage...
> more/better pictures to come.
> cheers,
> bdl
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[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Dish on dynamo hubs is sometimes non-zero. Non-disc SON hubs are symmetric, 
but other manufacturers move the right flange inward to leave room for the 
wire/plug connection. My personal favorite lotsa-bang-for-the-buck hub is 
the Shimano Alfine, which has some dish because of the disc brake mount. 
Personally, I think the anxiety over dished wheels is, in most cases, 
unwarranted. 

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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[William]

You could have won the cork-product-suggestion contest with a cork-
lined, tweed covered thudgard.

Brilliant!

On Mar 15, 12:13 pm, Mike  wrote:
> What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
> fear.
>
> I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
> make a tweed lugged model.
>
> --mike

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[RBW] Woody Goody Review

[pcooley]

I wrote up a little review of the Woody Goody and the Shopsack on my
blog:

http://carfreefamily.blogspot.com/2011/03/rivendell-woody-goody-and-shopsack.html

You can click on the pictures to enlarge them.

I'm enjoying the Woody Goody just a little less than I thought and the
ShopSack just a little bit more.  All in all, I'm pretty happy.

By the way, I don't usually have a lot of Rivendell content on my
blog, so don't follow me if your main interest is Rivendell.  I
wouldn't want to disappoint.

Paul Cooley
Santa Fe, NM

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[RBW] Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[eflayer]

not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:

http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen

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[RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[grrlyrida]

That's funny. I thought I was the only one who felt that way about
MCA. I only had to go on his blog once to figure that out. However
he's very popular on the cycling blogosphere. I could only sit through
the vid for a few minutes before I turned it off.

On Mar 15, 5:03 pm, eflayer  wrote:
> not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
> air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
> about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:
>
> http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen

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[RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wow... that's 10 minutes I'll never get back...

On Mar 15, 8:03 pm, eflayer  wrote:
> not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
> air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
> about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:
>
> http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen

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[RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[Michael_S]

he is rather obnoxious. I'd feel pretty weird without that plastic
bowl on my head. I guess if it saves me from serious head injury just
once it was worth wearing it all those years.

~Mike

On Mar 15, 5:30 pm, Montclair BobbyB 
wrote:
> Wow... that's 10 minutes I'll never get back...
>
> On Mar 15, 8:03 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
>
>
> > not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
> > air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
> > about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:
>
> >http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen- Hide 
> >quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[rperks]

The points of view were the fact that cycling statistcly appears safer
then ever as a mode of local travel, and that the culture of fear sold
by the helmet salesmen is a detrement to the spread of cycling to more
people.  Likewise if the level of marketing helmets to activites
statisticly more dangerous than cycling: driving or walking, that we
think it would be silly?

Not sure what rubs you wrong about his delivery.  Likewise his blog,
http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ , an dthe cycling chic seems to
rub people wrong.  This again confuses me as to why showing regular
people dressed smartly using bikes to get around town is a bad
thing.

To me it sounds like he is pushing knowledge to trump marketing and
fear?

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Rob


On Mar 15, 5:03 pm, eflayer  wrote:
> not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
> air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
> about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:
>
> http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen

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[RBW] Re: this is how i roll (bike porn)

[Michael_S]

Very foppish indeed. Enjoy!

~Mike

On Mar 15, 12:32 pm, Brett Lindenbach 
wrote:
> Indeed!  'bought time it got some good use!  Thanks for selling it to me.
> cheers,
> Brett

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[cyclotourist]

Only one real MCA !  :-)

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:25 PM, grrlyrida  wrote:

> That's funny. I thought I was the only one who felt that way about
> MCA. I only had to go on his blog once to figure that out. However
> he's very popular on the cycling blogosphere. I could only sit through
> the vid for a few minutes before I turned it off.
>
> On Mar 15, 5:03 pm, eflayer  wrote:
> > not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
> > air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
> > about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:
> >
> > http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen
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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Ray Shine]

I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull pukkie.  I 
have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can attest to the 
saving grace of helmets in collisions.  




From: Mike 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
fear.

I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
make a tweed lugged model.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[eflayer]

to me, he spent 10 minutes saying nearly nothing...but seemed rather
proud of himself the entire time. other than that, he's a cool looking
guy, but i would not have him meet my sister.

On Mar 15, 5:39 pm, rperks  wrote:
> The points of view were the fact that cycling statistcly appears safer
> then ever as a mode of local travel, and that the culture of fear sold
> by the helmet salesmen is a detrement to the spread of cycling to more
> people.  Likewise if the level of marketing helmets to activites
> statisticly more dangerous than cycling: driving or walking, that we
> think it would be silly?
>
> Not sure what rubs you wrong about his delivery.  Likewise his 
> blog,http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/, an dthe cycling chic seems to
> rub people wrong.  This again confuses me as to why showing regular
> people dressed smartly using bikes to get around town is a bad
> thing.
>
> To me it sounds like he is pushing knowledge to trump marketing and
> fear?
>
> Different strokes for different folks I guess.
>
> Rob
>
> On Mar 15, 5:03 pm, eflayer  wrote:
>
>
>
> > not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
> > air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
> > about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:
>
> >http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen- Hide 
> >quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Ray Shine]

The climate of fear is not necessarily attributable to marketing gurus, either. 
Try too many tort and trial attorneys.




From: Mike 
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
fear.

I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
make a tweed lugged model.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[james black]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 17:39, rperks  wrote:
> Not sure what rubs you wrong about his delivery.  Likewise his blog,
> http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/ , an dthe cycling chic seems to
> rub people wrong.  This again confuses me as to why showing regular
> people dressed smartly using bikes to get around town is a bad
> thing.

I don't have particularly strong feelings about helmet use, and have
no inclination to discuss the subject of helmets in an online forum;
but his blog offends me, and I'm happy to explain why. He objectifies
women! He is, in essence, a professional pornographer, exploiting
people for his own self-promotion.

James Black
Los Angeles, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have nothing against professional photographers or exploiting people, but 
I am greatly offended by the shameless portrayal of internal gear hubs and 
chain guards as sensible for transportation bikes! Both of these cause me 
lots of trouble on a daily basis!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Kelly Sleeper]

Not an attack, but if I crashed two wheels that often I'd not be
riding them.  Not to mention that just because you crack a helmet
doesn't mean it really saved you from anything.

I'm not anti helmet, and wear mine when I'm riding in groups and such
or even if they just aren't comfortable around me without a helmet.
However..

Riding alonge with no clips at a comfortable pace and being a skilled
bike handler, I would be better off using the helmet in the car,
walking in the snow, shower, or the golf course.

Of course if I'm falling on my head a helmet is a good thing.. but how
much better who knows.  The risk of head injury on the bike is pretty
low to begin with, then the percentage of those who hit hard enough to
have any injury where the helmet actually helps is even smaller.   For
me in most cases it's a small enough risk I don't worry about it.

Now for those yelling how many crashes they have had and how wonderful
the helmet is.. great sounds like you need it... doesn't mean everyone
else does.

If you feel better with a helmet on please wear it and don't allow
yourself to be talked out of it.  At the same time.. it's your
business so stay out of mine.

The fear mongering is coming from other cyclist, it's coming from
lawyers, it's coming from all around for whatever reason.  It's not
backed by the numbers however and yet it is.. if I win the lottery and
then hit the lottery again and hit hard enough but not to hard then I
guess the helmet is a savior.

So if your a racer, racer wannabe, group pace line rider, fall off a
lot, or dont' feel skilled on the bike I suggest a helmet.

have a great day

Kelly

Ray Shine wrote:
> I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull pukkie.  I 
> have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can attest to the 
> saving grace of helmets in collisions. 
>
>
>
> 
> From: Mike 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:13 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars
>
> What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
> fear.
>
> I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
> make a tweed lugged model.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Mike]

On Mar 15, 5:46 pm, Ray Shine  wrote:
> The climate of fear is not necessarily attributable to marketing gurus, 
> either. Try too many tort and trial attorneys.

Oh, I agree the culture of litigation doesn't help.

I've been working in ERs for a while now and have seen tons of head
injuries from all kinds of causes. I'll certainly keep wearing my
helmet and recommending helmets but I still think he makes good points
and I really enjoyed his talk.

Still, I think a tweed lugged steel Thudguard with some splats and a
Wooly Warm sweater would be a nice look for pedaling around on a
Rivendell.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Ray Shine]

My apologies. I didn't realize that I was in your business.




From: Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

If you feel better with a helmet on please wear it and don't allow
yourself to be talked out of it.  At the same time.. it's your
business so stay out of mine.



Ray Shine wrote:
> I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull pukkie.  I 
> have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can attest to the 
> saving grace of helmets in collisions. 
>
>
>
> 
> From: Mike 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:13 PM
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars
>
> What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
> fear.
>
> I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
> make a tweed lugged model.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[Mike]

On Mar 15, 5:46 pm, Ray Shine  wrote:
> The climate of fear is not necessarily attributable to marketing gurus, 
> either. Try too many tort and trial attorneys.
>
Yeah, the culture of litigation doesn't help.

Like I said, I enjoyed his talk and thought he made some valid points.
It may not resonate with everyone the same way.

I think a tweed lugged steel Thudguard with some spalts and Wooly Warm
sweater would look great while pedaling a Rivendell.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[charlie]

Whoa there.there is a huge difference between showing fine
women (and men too) riding bicycles in public (well dressed I might
add) and what you are referring too.a completely unfair
comparison.  I grew up in a generation where cycling was normally done
sans Styrofoam as did millions before me. Somehow millions survived.
 I will add further that statistics can be manipulated quite easily
for any desired effect, especially to the average citizen who hasn't
had a single, simple, college class in statistics. An interesting
example when comparing fighting sports and rates of brain damage to
boxers using heavily padded gloves and cage fighters using (almost) no
protective gloves. You 'd think cage fighters would have higher levels
of cumulative brain injury but they don't because the don't get hit as
many times as a boxer typically does. I listened to the whole video
and he didn't strike me as being arrogant but rather entertaining and
easy to listen to. So glad I still live in Americathe land of
the free and the home of the brave.

On Mar 15, 5:59 pm, james black  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 17:39, rperks  wrote:
> > Not sure what rubs you wrong about his delivery.  Likewise his blog,
> >http://www.copenhagencyclechic.com/, an dthe cycling chic seems to
> > rub people wrong.  This again confuses me as to why showing regular
> > people dressed smartly using bikes to get around town is a bad
> > thing.
>
> I don't have particularly strong feelings about helmet use, and have
> no inclination to discuss the subject of helmets in an online forum;
> but his blog offends me, and I'm happy to explain why. He objectifies
> women! He is, in essence, a professional pornographer, exploiting
> people for his own self-promotion.
>
> James Black
> Los Angeles, CA

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Re: [RBW] Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[David Faller]

Oh, can't we just talk about rake/trail or toe clip overlap instead...


On 3/15/2011 5:03 PM, eflayer wrote:

not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:

http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen



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[RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[Mike S]

I love it when out of shape, middle-aged white guys who smoke,drink
and watch football (see: Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy WITH
helmets) tell me how I'm reckless riding without a helmet. I thought
the guys tone was rather high on the smug-o-meter as well, but he
brings up good points about biking being no more dangerous than
walking and far less dangerous than driving.




On Mar 15, 11:25 pm, David Faller  wrote:
> Oh, can't we just talk about rake/trail or toe clip overlap instead...
>
> On 3/15/2011 5:03 PM, eflayer wrote:
>
> > not sure what the points of view are, but this guy, to me, is an hot
> > air baloonfull of hot air. Not even considering his point of view
> > about helmets, just how arrrogant he sounds/is:
>
> >http://video.tedxcopenhagen.dk/video/911034/mikael-colville-andersen

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[RBW] Re: Were you "RIV" before you realized it?

[Mike]

That bag looks great. Real simple. I've seen a few up close and like
them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars

[PATRICK MOORE]

Well put, Kelly. I am open on the question -- gave up wearing one about five
years ago after 20 years of wearing them after I did some secondary
source research,
but AFAICT well done compilations and finding that no one provides
statistics proving helmet usefulness -- this as opposed of course
to anecdotal evidence which both sides possess. I am still waiting for good
statistical evidence that I should wear them. One of the better known
studies out there puts the danger (from serious accident) on a bicycle at
about even with riding in a car, measuring per unit time of use as opposed
to distance covered, the latter putting cycling injury, IIRC, at twice as
likely as in a car. Still safer than walking, though, from this same source
which I have somewhere.

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:

> Not an attack, but if I crashed two wheels that often I'd not be
> riding them.  Not to mention that just because you crack a helmet
> doesn't mean it really saved you from anything.
>
> I'm not anti helmet, and wear mine when I'm riding in groups and such
> or even if they just aren't comfortable around me without a helmet.
> However..
>
> Riding alonge with no clips at a comfortable pace and being a skilled
> bike handler, I would be better off using the helmet in the car,
> walking in the snow, shower, or the golf course.
>
> Of course if I'm falling on my head a helmet is a good thing.. but how
> much better who knows.  The risk of head injury on the bike is pretty
> low to begin with, then the percentage of those who hit hard enough to
> have any injury where the helmet actually helps is even smaller.   For
> me in most cases it's a small enough risk I don't worry about it.
>
> Now for those yelling how many crashes they have had and how wonderful
> the helmet is.. great sounds like you need it... doesn't mean everyone
> else does.
>
> If you feel better with a helmet on please wear it and don't allow
> yourself to be talked out of it.  At the same time.. it's your
> business so stay out of mine.
>
> The fear mongering is coming from other cyclist, it's coming from
> lawyers, it's coming from all around for whatever reason.  It's not
> backed by the numbers however and yet it is.. if I win the lottery and
> then hit the lottery again and hit hard enough but not to hard then I
> guess the helmet is a savior.
>
> So if your a racer, racer wannabe, group pace line rider, fall off a
> lot, or dont' feel skilled on the bike I suggest a helmet.
>
> have a great day
>
> Kelly
>
> Ray Shine wrote:
> > I think the guy in the video is full of himself, if not also bull
> pukkie.  I have two bicycle helmets and one motorcycle helmet that can
> attest to the saving grace of helmets in collisions.
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Mike 
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:13 PM
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: Helmet use and how dangerous are bikes versus cars
> >
> > What I enjoyed about the clip was the lucid critique of the culture of
> > fear.
> >
> > I also sent Grant a link to the Thudguard page and suggested Rivendell
> > make a tweed lugged model.
> >
> > --mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 6:59 PM, james black  wrote:
[...]

> but his blog offends me, and I'm happy to explain why. He objectifies
> women! He is, in essence, a professional pornographer, exploiting
> people for his own self-promotion.
>
>
What exactly does "objectify" mean? Never was sure.

Do you mean the blog about pretty young women in high fashion riding bikes?
Rather light fare, I opine, but why worse than showing roadies in 2011
spring cycling fashions (lifted *that* term from the latest Co Cycl Cat) on
the latest crabon wonders? Is it because the audience is probably men? But
why should looking at pretty girls be bad, even if they are on bicycles?

I smell, nay, hear, discern and anticipate the impending, ineluctible,
overawing and highly terrible roar of a mons parturating a mus.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant refers to this helmet guy for some reason

[PATRICK MOORE]

Damn, Jim, it's about time someone had the courage to raise this highly
troublesome subject; moral standards in this our little world of odd, retro
bike geekdom are tumbling fast.

Patrick "Sarah Palin for President -- as long as she promises complete
silence for four years: Moore

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have nothing against professional photographers or exploiting people, but
> I am greatly offended by the shameless portrayal of internal gear hubs and
> chain guards as sensible for transportation bikes! Both of these cause me
> lots of trouble on a daily basis!
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[RBW] March 13, 2011 Ride Report

[AmiSingh]

March 13 was a lovely day for a bicycle ride.

‎60ish miles in 33* weather with very light snow first. iPhone that
the best Samaritan picked up and returned. Frozen-blue toes. New
riding friend Ed-the-butcher who mounted a rusted, terribly out of
true rear wheeled brake-breaking beater he bought for $5 and was so
proud of. Then Ice, snow, sleet, rain, sun. Tacos barbacoa. Nice
scenery. 15-mile sprint home. Pushing through tough uphills. Super-
fast downhills (I must have at least hit 40 mph!) with no shimmy.

It was a brilliant ride that left me feeling blessed by the best
despite this mess. And exhilarated. :)

Photos and more of the adventure here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/

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[RBW] Re: Lumpy Hetres

[brian feltovich]

No, I haven't spent the time to try Jan's suggestions. My feelings are similar: 
I like the tires so much that I can live with their flaws. I also don't use 
them on a daily basis. That said, I probably won't reorder. And I should add 
that I'm a huge fan of the Cerf and Cypres tires and have had no problems with 
those.

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[RBW] Tire size question... don't know where else to ask it.

[Rene Sterental]

With all the expertise in this group, I'm going to take the liberty of
asking a tire question for a non-Riv bike. I apologize but I don't know
where else to ask it.

I'm going to get a Bike Friday Pocket Llama so I can take a bicycle with me
when I travel. I travel quite frequently for business and always feel that
if I just had a bike with me on most places where I go to, I'd be able to
enjoy myself more and also get to sight see the place rather than getting
stuck in the hotel or having to rent a car. In the Riv spirit, the bike is
steel and will have racks so I can also carry my bags and perhaps even do
some touring with it.

I can get either a BF Llama or a BF World Tourer. The only difference is
that the Llama can take Big Apples 2.0 tires while the World Tourer only
takes up to 1.75" tires, the idea being that the Llama can be ridden on dirt
trails more easily. I know very little about the properties of 20" wheeled
bikes, but I wonder if the benefit of being able to ride the Big Apples are
as relevant on these bikes as they are on the Rivendells.

Thanks for the feedback,

René

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[RBW] Re: March 13, 2011 Ride Report

[AmiSingh]

It may be easier to follow the story if you start at the link below

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/5530527350/

And navigate by clicking 'newer'.

On Mar 16, 1:35 am, AmiSingh  wrote:
> March 13 was a lovely day for a bicycle ride.
>
> ‎60ish miles in 33* weather with very light snow first. iPhone that
> the best Samaritan picked up and returned. Frozen-blue toes. New
> riding friend Ed-the-butcher who mounted a rusted, terribly out of
> true rear wheeled brake-breaking beater he bought for $5 and was so
> proud of. Then Ice, snow, sleet, rain, sun. Tacos barbacoa. Nice
> scenery. 15-mile sprint home. Pushing through tough uphills. Super-
> fast downhills (I must have at least hit 40 mph!) with no shimmy.
>
> It was a brilliant ride that left me feeling blessed by the best
> despite this mess. And exhilarated. :)
>
> Photos and more of the adventure here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/

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Re: [RBW] this is how i roll (bike porn)

[Brett Lindenbach]

Indeed!  'bought time it got some good use!  Thanks for selling it to me.
cheers,
Brett

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[RBW] Re: this is how i roll (bike porn)

[Brett Lindenbach]

Thanks!  It is indeed 59 cm, and I just measured 83.5 cm mid-top tube.  I 
got a pair of black Lierres for when I want variety.
cheers,
brett

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[RBW] Re: Today's brevet.

[Kevin Brightbill]

Mike! I don't think I met you on Saturday -- I remember seeing a
rather beautiful A.H.H. at the start, though! I was on the white Colin
Laing track bike... the one Birkie rider dumb enough to try it with a
fixed gear! Hope to catch you for the Three Capes... though unless we
get an unexpected forecast of 65 degrees and clear skies, I'll
probably pull out my Trek 520 instead!

Lynne, glad to see you on here -- it was a pleasure to meet up with
you and Susan (and my friend Nick) near the end of the ride.

Cheers!

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[RBW] Re: Switchable dynamo hub

[Ariel Bautista]

I second that "thanks" for the heads-up on the Sanyo. Definitely makes
the endeavor a whole lot more realistic... and makes the switchable VO
hub a whole lot less attractive.

On Mar 15, 11:30 am, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> Thanks for the heads-up on the Sanyo that Peter White sells. I never
> browse his site, since he's got the '1000 words are worth a picture'
> thing going on. The picture he does have on there makes me like the
> Sanyo better than the Novatech, though. Sexier photography is worth
> $5.
>
> The Novatech isn't on sale, but I don't imagine they have a huge
> number left at $35.
>
>  Philip
>
> On Mar 14, 11:55 pm, charlie  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You might also look at the Sanyo hub from Peter White he sells it for
> > $40 and it has cartridge bearings.  From what I have read the reports
> > are good on it. I may get one for another bike since the price is so
> > reasonable.
>
> > On Mar 14, 9:15 pm, Ariel Bautista  wrote:
>
> > > If it's the same hub that Grant mentions, then I sure hope that the
> > > new Reader comes out before the sale ends over at VO. I was interested
> > > in the hub as well for I too am in the market for a dyno system. I'd
> > > only be needing the lighting for commuting purposes, but I'd hate to
> > > opt for the cheapest setup and end up with an unreliable lighting
> > > system. Everyone speaks so highly of the SON DeLux, but I'm already
> > > eating spuds!!! If the durability warrants the price tag though, then
> > > I'll accept the fact that all my nutrition will be sourced from
> > > potatoes until I graduate...
>
> > > On Mar 14, 8:50 am, Pete  wrote:
>
> > > > I see they finaly turned up at 
> > > > VO:http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-switchable-dynamo-hub.html
> > > > Even Grant seem to be 
> > > > impressed:http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/322
> > > > Lot's of people have talked about it but since it's new asking for a
> > > > review is premature so lets speculate wildly!
> > > > I'm on a budget so I'd like to ask If you guys think it's a good deal
> > > > or should I buy the SON DeLux and eat spuds for a year? Intended use
> > > > are commuting, brevés and touring.
> > > > Oh, found the producer:http://www.sp-dynamo.com/spproductswitchdisc.html

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