[RBW] Cross Levers Only?

[Marty]

So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
not to try this set up?

Marty

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[RBW] Re: Cross Levers Only?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

It works fine. We're setting up a Surly Travelers Check like that now.


On Feb 18, 5:54 am, Marty  wrote:
> So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
> with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
> levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
> compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
> bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
> front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
> like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
> not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
> you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
> not to try this set up?
>
> Marty

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[RBW] IGH

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

One of my more exuberant customers killed his 2nd or 3rd 3-speed hub
in 2 years. I called the highly regarded manufacturer of the most
recent one to get another warranty replacement, which it turns out, is
no longer available (they've never had parts, so we always just
replace the whole hub). The tech told me that IGHs are for "cruisers
and other low-torque applications". Anyway, this is about Chapter 20
of my book of frustrations with IG hubs, which is not polite
conversation in utility cycling circles, where IGHs are surrounded by
a sort of religious devotion. So it was with some satisfaction that I
read today's Riv blog post about IGHs.

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Scott G.]

The Brits back in the day felt the same way about derailleurs.

I think the tech is right, modern IGHs are designed for casual users,
Rohloff excepted. IGHs for racing went out in the 50s.

The great thing about the old racing IGHs was you could fix
them yourself.

Have you had problems with the Sunrace AW hubs ?
It'll be interesting to see how the S3X hubs hold up,
maybe try one of those with a freewheel for your
exuberant customer ?

Scott G.
apprentice Sturmey wallah.

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

So far Sunrace SA has provided the most readily available replacement
parts and the most knowledgeable customer service.

A friend, who is the most knowledgeable IGH person I know, is using
the S3X, left-drive of course.

On Feb 18, 8:10 am, "Scott G."  wrote:
> The Brits back in the day felt the same way about derailleurs.
>
> I think the tech is right, modern IGHs are designed for casual users,
> Rohloff excepted. IGHs for racing went out in the 50s.
>
> The great thing about the old racing IGHs was you could fix
> them yourself.
>
> Have you had problems with the Sunrace AW hubs ?
> It'll be interesting to see how the S3X hubs hold up,
> maybe try one of those with a freewheel for your
> exuberant customer ?
>
> Scott G.
> apprentice Sturmey wallah.

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Of course, the Brits, back in the day, didn't have very good
dérailleurs. And there was a lot of misinformation about the
efficiency losses of a spring tensioned chain, not to mention
nationalistic rivalries with the French and other dérailleur
superpowers...

On Feb 18, 8:10 am, "Scott G."  wrote:
> The Brits back in the day felt the same way about derailleurs.
>
> I think the tech is right, modern IGHs are designed for casual users,
> Rohloff excepted. IGHs for racing went out in the 50s.
>
> The great thing about the old racing IGHs was you could fix
> them yourself.
>
> Have you had problems with the Sunrace AW hubs ?
> It'll be interesting to see how the S3X hubs hold up,
> maybe try one of those with a freewheel for your
> exuberant customer ?
>
> Scott G.
> apprentice Sturmey wallah.

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Kris]

Sounds like Shimano to me.  The 8 speed Alfine with a disc brake
option was/is begging to be used by mountain bikers.

On Feb 18, 8:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
 The tech told me that IGHs are for "cruisers
> and other low-torque applications".

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Mountain bikers may use the Alfine, except that the dérailleurs they
have been using work really well and don't complicate wheel removal
and reinstall. I've installed and removed Alfine wheels probably 50
times, and I still think it's a hassle.
In my opinion, the Nexus/Alfine hubs are at their best on Big Dummies
and other cargo bikes. Being able to shift while stopped is a real
advantage with a heavy load of cargo.

On Feb 18, 8:32 am, Kris  wrote:
> Sounds like Shimano to me.  The 8 speed Alfine with a disc brake
> option was/is begging to be used by mountain bikers.
>
> On Feb 18, 8:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>  The tech told me that IGHs are for "cruisers
>
>
>
> > and other low-torque applications".

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Marty]

FYI - Riv has a longish piece on IGH in the NEWS section today.

On Feb 18, 9:43 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> Mountain bikers may use the Alfine, except that the dérailleurs they
> have been using work really well and don't complicate wheel removal
> and reinstall. I've installed and removed Alfine wheels probably 50
> times, and I still think it's a hassle.
> In my opinion, the Nexus/Alfine hubs are at their best on Big Dummies
> and other cargo bikes. Being able to shift while stopped is a real
> advantage with a heavy load of cargo.
>
> On Feb 18, 8:32 am, Kris  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sounds like Shimano to me.  The 8 speed Alfine with a disc brake
> > option was/is begging to be used by mountain bikers.
>
> > On Feb 18, 8:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > wrote:
> >  The tech told me that IGHs are for "cruisers
>
> > > and other low-torque applications".

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[RBW] Re: Cross Levers Only?

[johnb]

If you do this, I would love to see pictures of it.

john

On Feb 18, 6:54 am, Marty  wrote:
> So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
> with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
> levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
> compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
> bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
> front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
> like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
> not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
> you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
> not to try this set up?
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: Cross Levers Only?

[Earl Grey]

My buddy and list member Kip just set up his Bomba with interruptors
and thumbies on a Noodle last week, and it seems to work well, though
getting all those cables routed in such a tight space requires some
compromises in routing.

But why not keep the drop bar brake levers? The weight penalty
compared to dummy levers is slight or non-existent, and the added
safety of having those brakes on the hoods (esp. if you are used to
having brakes there) seems worth it.

Gernot

On Feb 18, 7:44 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> It works fine. We're setting up a Surly Travelers Check like that now.
>
> On Feb 18, 5:54 am, Marty  wrote:
>
>
>
> > So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
> > with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
> > levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
> > compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
> > bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
> > front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
> > like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
> > not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
> > you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
> > not to try this set up?
>
> > Marty

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[RBW] SoCal Rivendell Ride on 2/21

[cyclotourist]

60 or so miles around L.A. this Sunday.  Going down the River, out to Palos
Verdes, up the Promenade along the Pacific.  It's organized through the RBW
list, but you do NOT need to be on the list or have a Rivendell to join us.
Pace is moderate, not fast, not slow.  There are typically lots of stops and
re-groupings.  We'll meet up around 9:30 for a 10:00 ride.  90% chance of it
being the Wilshire/Vermont Metro stop which has parking and is served by Red
and Purple lines.  A chance that it'll be Wilshire/Western stop.  More info
and final arrangements will get posted here:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157623162236373/

Hope we can get a lot of folks out and enjoying the day!!!

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[RBW] Re: Cross Levers Only?

[Dave Craig]

No real issue come to mind. The argument about access to brakes has
been stated before. Really though, in terms of braking, it's not much
different than riding on the flats on a road bike set up without cross
levers or using long bar ends on an MTB. I just cover the brakes when
I'm riding in situations where they are likely to be used (e.g., heavy
traffic, crowded bike/ped paths). At higher speeds, it's often a
better tactic to do a "quick turn" as opposed to braking when
confronted with an unexpected obstacle.

I'm setting up my Bombadil for touring this summer with MTB flat bars,
drop bar ends and stoker levers. On a big bike like the 60cm Bomb,
having "modular" flat bars and shorter cables instead of 48cm noodles
will make packing the bike a bit easier.

Dave

On Feb 18, 4:54 am, Marty  wrote:
> So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
> with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
> levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
> compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
> bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
> front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
> like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
> not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
> you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
> not to try this set up?
>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: lively, low rolling resistance 700C road/off-road tire?

[Patrick in VT]

On Feb 18, 1:52 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> Thanks all, for your suggestions.

nah, the Grifo XS definitely doesn't run wide - it's barely 32mm.  but
it's fast tire on all kinds of off-road surfaces and it's very lenient
with psi, which is more important than nominal width in my
experience.  personally, i wouldn't ride it on the road, but it sounds
like you want at least a little bite in the tread profile.

is the 25% dirt really knarly or what?  the marathon extreme (and some
other tires considered here) seems very aggressive if you're looking
to spend, say 90mins out of 120mins on the road and want a lively,
fast rolling tire.

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Re: [RBW] Hilsen Pics

[Robert F. Harrison]

Wow! That's a sweet ride. As a commuter myself I really like they way you've
put it together and your bar tape really tops it off. Your light mounts are
a great touch too. Are those wooden dowel sections?

Aloha!

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:

> I took some pictures of my 59cm Hilsen in Seattle after this morning's
> commute:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/HilsenV20#
>
> It's currently got a front basket, porteur bars, and the Shopsack for
> commuting.  So far this setup has been my favorite commute rig mainly due to
> the simplicity and functionality of the the basket and sack, although I may
> have to get the new bar bag and put the basket in the back. I've been on
> this combination now for a few months.  I just cleaned the grunge off this
> past weekend - it was pretty dismal with at least a quarter inch of road
> slime caked inside the fenders.  They cleaned right up with a little
> scrubbing, however, and it's back to it's quiet, smooth self.
>
> On really crappy days, I ride my old mountain bike, and it's like night and
> day when I get back on this one.  Awesome!
>
> Brian
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[RBW] Re: lively, low rolling resistance 700C road/off-road tire?

[Earl Grey]

1 or 2 short dirt sections I currently walk on the Mythos Slick 42s
(steep, deeply rutted jeep trail with a very variable amount of gravel
and sharp, fist-sized rocks sprinkled about, in an attempt to fill the
ruts, probably). But in order to ride those sections, I'd have to go
50-60mm, I think, so I am happy to keep walking those 50 meters. So I
am hoping for similar dirt performance as the Mythos, but less buzz on
the road.

There really seem to be two approaches to this kind of tire:

1. Marathon Extreme style: short, very large "knobs" with relatively
narrow grooves in between, with a fairly round profile.

2. Specialized Borough SC Pro style: smooth center section with
relatively tall and widely spaced side knobs.

Presumably style 1 does better in on-road cornering, while incurring a
weight penalty, but can anyone comment on other differences between
the styles? Does style 2 really improve off-road cornering? Note that
I am not really concerned with going fast off-road, I just want to be
able to ride through some relatively technical stuff, while still
having a compliant and smooth ride on the way there.

Gernot

On Feb 18, 10:15 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Feb 18, 1:52 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > Thanks all, for your suggestions.
>
> nah, the Grifo XS definitely doesn't run wide - it's barely 32mm.  but
> it's fast tire on all kinds of off-road surfaces and it's very lenient
> with psi, which is more important than nominal width in my
> experience.  personally, i wouldn't ride it on the road, but it sounds
> like you want at least a little bite in the tread profile.
>
> is the 25% dirt really knarly or what?  the marathon extreme (and some
> other tires considered here) seems very aggressive if you're looking
> to spend, say 90mins out of 120mins on the road and want a lively,
> fast rolling tire.

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[RBW] Re: lively, low rolling resistance 700C road/off-road tire?

[Earl Grey]

Btw, there was a relevant discussion at

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=432707

listing a whole bunch of other tires. Ritchey ZEDs get high marks, but
are no longer made (?), and probably don't roll that well on pavement.
The Specialized Borough XC Pro 45mm seem to run very narrow (acc. to
one poster), making them much less attractive, IMO.

On Feb 18, 10:15 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:
> On Feb 18, 1:52 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
> > Thanks all, for your suggestions.
>
> nah, the Grifo XS definitely doesn't run wide - it's barely 32mm.  but
> it's fast tire on all kinds of off-road surfaces and it's very lenient
> with psi, which is more important than nominal width in my
> experience.  personally, i wouldn't ride it on the road, but it sounds
> like you want at least a little bite in the tread profile.
>
> is the 25% dirt really knarly or what?  the marathon extreme (and some
> other tires considered here) seems very aggressive if you're looking
> to spend, say 90mins out of 120mins on the road and want a lively,
> fast rolling tire.

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[JoelMatthews]

Jim:

What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?

When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
traditional hub and cassette wheel.

On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.

On Feb 18, 8:43 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> Mountain bikers may use the Alfine, except that the dérailleurs they
> have been using work really well and don't complicate wheel removal
> and reinstall. I've installed and removed Alfine wheels probably 50
> times, and I still think it's a hassle.
> In my opinion, the Nexus/Alfine hubs are at their best on Big Dummies
> and other cargo bikes. Being able to shift while stopped is a real
> advantage with a heavy load of cargo.
>
> On Feb 18, 8:32 am, Kris  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sounds like Shimano to me.  The 8 speed Alfine with a disc brake
> > option was/is begging to be used by mountain bikers.
>
> > On Feb 18, 8:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > wrote:
> >  The tech told me that IGHs are for "cruisers
>
> > > and other low-torque applications".- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Jim:
>
> What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?
>
> When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
> of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
> easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
> wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
> traditional hub and cassette wheel.
>
> On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
> engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
> approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
> blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.
>

on the nexus redline hubs I have used the process was:

- set the grip shift into 1st
- pull the little bolt fixer-do-flochy to disconnect it from the rear
hub bracket
- take the wheel out
- change tire
- put wheel back in
- put chain back on cog
- reconnect the bolt fixer do-flochy
- shift things to make sure the magic lines are aligned on the hub
- bolt stuff tight after tensioning the chain
- ride off.

maybe there's a step I'm missing b/c it never took me much time to do it.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> Jim:
>>
>> What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?
>>
>> When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
>> of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
>> easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
>> wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
>> traditional hub and cassette wheel.
>>
>> On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
>> engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
>> approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
>> blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.
>>
>
> on the nexus redline hubs I have used the process was:
>
> - set the grip shift into 1st
> - pull the little bolt fixer-do-flochy to disconnect it from the rear
> hub bracket
> - take the wheel out
> - change tire
> - put wheel back in
> - put chain back on cog
> - reconnect the bolt fixer do-flochy
> - shift things to make sure the magic lines are aligned on the hub
> - bolt stuff tight after tensioning the chain
> - ride off.
>
> maybe there's a step I'm missing b/c it never took me much time to do it.
>

ooo - even better:

http://www.hubstripping.com/shimano-alfine/shimano-nexus-cables-hooking-en.jpg

-sv

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[RBW] Atlantis Drive Train

[Mitch Browne]

I'm putting together my first Atlantis and feeling my way along.

Riv says 107BB and I think the Sugino XD2 they recommend is good but
unsure of crank arm length. The difference between 170 and 172.5 seems
minimal to me.

Also, I have a choice buy the following derailleurs from Craigslist
today:

-New XTR Rear derailleur M972 SGS
-New XT front derailleur M771 dual pul

for $175. Does this with 8sp barends and an 11-32 8spd cassette all
make sense?

Thanks as always.

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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Dave Lloyd]

Civia has some nice videos in their tech section:
http://www.civiacycles.com/civiaMedia/civiaTech.php

It does take a bit
longer to remove than a wheel with a QR, but I didn't find it horrible by
any stretch of the imagination, and my IGH bike has a roller brake and full
chaincase. The trick to removing the cable from the cassette joint is using
a 2mm allen wrench ot move the cassette joint around to take the tension off
the cable so that you can easily unhook the cable end.  Needle nose pliers
are also handy for removing the housing end from the cassette joint.

What would be truly nice is if shops that sold bikes equipped with IGHs
would give their customers demos on how to remove the rear wheel.  I was
able to figure it out, but not everyone is mechanically minded the same way
I am.

For city riding, I really like the IGH.  Really a hop on and ride sort of
utility bike, no thinking about what pants you're wearing, if the drivetrain
is gunked up, etc. with the bike I have. Plus, shifting at stoplights is
truly great.

That said, I will be selling my IGH bike (anyone interested in a gently used
Trek L200?) since I find I just don't ride anything but my Xtracycle these
days.

--dlloyd

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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Ray Shine]

Agree with Seth mostly, but my Alfine instructions were to place gear in 4th at 
the red line on the shift indicated. All else as he said.  I've never had any 
trouble with the hub.

Sent From My iPhone

On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
Jim:

What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?

When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
traditional hub and cassette wheel.

On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.


on the nexus redline hubs I have used the process was:

- set the grip shift into 1st
- pull the little bolt fixer-do-flochy to disconnect it from the rear
hub bracket
- take the wheel out
- change tire
- put wheel back in
- put chain back on cog
- reconnect the bolt fixer do-flochy
- shift things to make sure the magic lines are aligned on the hub
- bolt stuff tight after tensioning the chain
- ride off.

maybe there's a step I'm missing b/c it never took me much time to do it.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Cross Levers Only?

[Jeremy Till]

List member Ray Shine set up his quickbeam exactly as you describe:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg/2007/ssg074-rayshine0307.html

I've seen him ride it and it seems to work great for him.  Maybe he'll
chime in with further impressions...

On Feb 18, 6:56 am, Dave Craig  wrote:
> No real issue come to mind. The argument about access to brakes has
> been stated before. Really though, in terms of braking, it's not much
> different than riding on the flats on a road bike set up without cross
> levers or using long bar ends on an MTB. I just cover the brakes when
> I'm riding in situations where they are likely to be used (e.g., heavy
> traffic, crowded bike/ped paths). At higher speeds, it's often a
> better tactic to do a "quick turn" as opposed to braking when
> confronted with an unexpected obstacle.
>
> I'm setting up my Bombadil for touring this summer with MTB flat bars,
> drop bar ends and stoker levers. On a big bike like the 60cm Bomb,
> having "modular" flat bars and shorter cables instead of 48cm noodles
> will make packing the bike a bit easier.
>
> Dave
>
> On Feb 18, 4:54 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
> > with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
> > levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
> > compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
> > bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
> > front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
> > like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
> > not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
> > you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
> > not to try this set up?
>
> > Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cross Levers Only?

[Ray Shine]

Yes, I like the set up for all riding except steep down grades in dirt. It 
would be more advantageous to have a wider bar with levers at the ends. 
Otherwise, for road riding and in the city, I like the set up a lot.

Sent From My iPhone

On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:

List member Ray Shine set up his quickbeam exactly as you describe:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg/2007/ssg074-rayshine0307.html

I've seen him ride it and it seems to work great for him.  Maybe he'll
chime in with further impressions...

On Feb 18, 6:56 am, Dave Craig  wrote:
No real issue come to mind. The argument about access to brakes has
been stated before. Really though, in terms of braking, it's not much
different than riding on the flats on a road bike set up without cross
levers or using long bar ends on an MTB. I just cover the brakes when
I'm riding in situations where they are likely to be used (e.g., heavy
traffic, crowded bike/ped paths). At higher speeds, it's often a
better tactic to do a "quick turn" as opposed to braking when
confronted with an unexpected obstacle.

I'm setting up my Bombadil for touring this summer with MTB flat bars,
drop bar ends and stoker levers. On a big bike like the 60cm Bomb,
having "modular" flat bars and shorter cables instead of 48cm noodles
will make packing the bike a bit easier.

Dave

On Feb 18, 4:54 am, Marty  wrote:

So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
not to try this set up?

Marty

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The Rohloff is much easier to use, from a wheel removal/replacement
standpoint, than the Nexus/Alfine.

In my experience, the Alfine/Nexus remove/replace process was not that
complicated, as Seth points out. Where I got frustrated was trying to
get the cable positioned correctly in a tight space with my clumsy
bratwurst-like fingers, while making sure the chain was tight, etc.
And that was in a shop repair stand with all my tools and good
lighting. I might tolerate that if I saw some real advantage to using
the IGH, but since I don't see any advantages, my tolerance for the
extra hassle is pretty low.

Much easier to drop the chain to the small cog, open the q/r, and drop
the wheel out... What was wrong with derailleurs again?

On Feb 18, 10:46 am, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Jim:
>
> What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?
>
> When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
> of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
> easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
> wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
> traditional hub and cassette wheel.
>
> On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
> engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
> approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
> blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.
>
> On Feb 18, 8:43 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>
> > Mountain bikers may use the Alfine, except that the dérailleurs they
> > have been using work really well and don't complicate wheel removal
> > and reinstall. I've installed and removed Alfine wheels probably 50
> > times, and I still think it's a hassle.
> > In my opinion, the Nexus/Alfine hubs are at their best on Big Dummies
> > and other cargo bikes. Being able to shift while stopped is a real
> > advantage with a heavy load of cargo.
>
> > On Feb 18, 8:32 am, Kris  wrote:
>
> > > Sounds like Shimano to me.  The 8 speed Alfine with a disc brake
> > > option was/is begging to be used by mountain bikers.
>
> > > On Feb 18, 8:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> > > wrote:
> > >  The tech told me that IGHs are for "cruisers
>
> > > > and other low-torque applications".- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Esteban]

I agree with Grant.  I think that if you're going for simplicity, 1x9
is the way to go.  My Kogswell had that before I changed it out for a
Nexus redline by default (my wife wanted touring gearing after all on
her bike).  I preferred the 1x9 - the steps were more even, lighter,
etc.  I like the IGH only because its different from my other bikes,
and fully loaded (70lbs groceries + child), its nice to not think
ahead about shifting down as I approach a stop.

This being said, I liked this quote:
"If I were riding my bike to the Birmingham coal mines every day and I
got home too bushed to brush my teeth, I'd go for an internal gear and
hope the gear-chain dealybob didn't slip and leave me spinning air"

I've had a long love affair with the Birtish 3-speed.  They're like
sliding around on a heavy, elegant steel sled.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.



On Feb 18, 9:17 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Agree with Seth mostly, but my Alfine instructions were to place gear in 4th 
> at the red line on the shift indicated. All else as he said.  I've never had 
> any trouble with the hub.
>
> Sent From My iPhone
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>
> Jim:
>
> What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?
>
> When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
> of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
> easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
> wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
> traditional hub and cassette wheel.
>
> On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
> engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
> approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
> blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.
>
> on the nexus redline hubs I have used the process was:
>
> - set the grip shift into 1st
> - pull the little bolt fixer-do-flochy to disconnect it from the rear
> hub bracket
> - take the wheel out
> - change tire
> - put wheel back in
> - put chain back on cog
> - reconnect the bolt fixer do-flochy
> - shift things to make sure the magic lines are aligned on the hub
> - bolt stuff tight after tensioning the chain
> - ride off.
>
> maybe there's a step I'm missing b/c it never took me much time to do it.
>
> -sv
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Dustin Sharp]

The best thing about my Rohloff is that it never leaks, never requires any
maintenance, right?

To think of all the time I could be spending fussing with derailleurs if I
didn't have to keep sending my Rohloff back for repair.

Dustin


> From: Esteban 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:07:27 -0800 (PST)
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: IGH
> 
> I agree with Grant.  I think that if you're going for simplicity, 1x9
> is the way to go.  My Kogswell had that before I changed it out for a
> Nexus redline by default (my wife wanted touring gearing after all on
> her bike).  I preferred the 1x9 - the steps were more even, lighter,
> etc.  I like the IGH only because its different from my other bikes,
> and fully loaded (70lbs groceries + child), its nice to not think
> ahead about shifting down as I approach a stop.
> 
> This being said, I liked this quote:
> "If I were riding my bike to the Birmingham coal mines every day and I
> got home too bushed to brush my teeth, I'd go for an internal gear and
> hope the gear-chain dealybob didn't slip and leave me spinning air"
> 
> I've had a long love affair with the Birtish 3-speed.  They're like
> sliding around on a heavy, elegant steel sled.
> 
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 9:17 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
>> Agree with Seth mostly, but my Alfine instructions were to place gear in 4th
>> at the red line on the shift indicated. All else as he said.  I've never had
>> any trouble with the hub.
>> 
>> Sent From My iPhone
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM, JoelMatthews  wrote:
>> 
>> Jim:
>> 
>> What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?
>> 
>> When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
>> of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
>> easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
>> wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
>> traditional hub and cassette wheel.
>> 
>> On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
>> engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
>> approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
>> blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.
>> 
>> on the nexus redline hubs I have used the process was:
>> 
>> - set the grip shift into 1st
>> - pull the little bolt fixer-do-flochy to disconnect it from the rear
>> hub bracket
>> - take the wheel out
>> - change tire
>> - put wheel back in
>> - put chain back on cog
>> - reconnect the bolt fixer do-flochy
>> - shift things to make sure the magic lines are aligned on the hub
>> - bolt stuff tight after tensioning the chain
>> - ride off.
>> 
>> maybe there's a step I'm missing b/c it never took me much time to do it.
>> 
>> -sv
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Hilsen Pics

[Brian Hanson]

Those are corks.  They are holding up OK but needed a zip tie to really bind
them to the thin basket web.

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Robert F. Harrison
wrote:

> Wow! That's a sweet ride. As a commuter myself I really like they way
> you've put it together and your bar tape really tops it off. Your light
> mounts are a great touch too. Are those wooden dowel sections?
>
> Aloha!
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>
>> I took some pictures of my 59cm Hilsen in Seattle after this morning's
>> commute:
>>
>> http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/HilsenV20#
>>
>> It's currently got a front basket, porteur bars, and the Shopsack for
>> commuting.  So far this setup has been my favorite commute rig mainly due to
>> the simplicity and functionality of the the basket and sack, although I may
>> have to get the new bar bag and put the basket in the back. I've been on
>> this combination now for a few months.  I just cleaned the grunge off this
>> past weekend - it was pretty dismal with at least a quarter inch of road
>> slime caked inside the fenders.  They cleaned right up with a little
>> scrubbing, however, and it's back to it's quiet, smooth self.
>>
>> On really crappy days, I ride my old mountain bike, and it's like night
>> and day when I get back on this one.  Awesome!
>>
>> Brian
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[RBW] Re: Hilsen Pics

[Matt Critchlow]

great job. everything is practical and well thought out. I really like
the setup choices you made.

Also your pics made me miss Seattle!

On Feb 18, 10:11 am, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> Those are corks.  They are holding up OK but needed a zip tie to really bind
> them to the thin basket web.
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Robert F. Harrison
> wrote:
>
> > Wow! That's a sweet ride. As a commuter myself I really like they way
> > you've put it together and your bar tape really tops it off. Your light
> > mounts are a great touch too. Are those wooden dowel sections?
>
> > Aloha!
>
> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Brian Hanson  wrote:
>
> >> I took some pictures of my 59cm Hilsen in Seattle after this morning's
> >> commute:
>
> >>http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/HilsenV20#
>
> >> It's currently got a front basket, porteur bars, and the Shopsack for
> >> commuting.  So far this setup has been my favorite commute rig mainly due 
> >> to
> >> the simplicity and functionality of the the basket and sack, although I may
> >> have to get the new bar bag and put the basket in the back. I've been on
> >> this combination now for a few months.  I just cleaned the grunge off this
> >> past weekend - it was pretty dismal with at least a quarter inch of road
> >> slime caked inside the fenders.  They cleaned right up with a little
> >> scrubbing, however, and it's back to it's quiet, smooth self.
>
> >> On really crappy days, I ride my old mountain bike, and it's like night
> >> and day when I get back on this one.  Awesome!
>
> >> Brian
>
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[RBW] Re: Cross Levers Only?

[Marty]

Fantastic QB Ray! Thanks for thinking to do this before I did - I
think I'll give it a go on my next build.

Marty


On Feb 18, 12:35 pm, Ray Shine  wrote:
> Yes, I like the set up for all riding except steep down grades in dirt. It 
> would be more advantageous to have a wider bar with levers at the ends. 
> Otherwise, for road riding and in the city, I like the set up a lot.
>
> Sent From My iPhone
>
> On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> List member Ray Shine set up his quickbeam exactly as you describe:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg/2007/ssg074-rayshine0307.html
>
> I've seen him ride it and it seems to work great for him.  Maybe he'll
> chime in with further impressions...
>
> On Feb 18, 6:56 am, Dave Craig  wrote:
> No real issue come to mind. The argument about access to brakes has
> been stated before. Really though, in terms of braking, it's not much
> different than riding on the flats on a road bike set up without cross
> levers or using long bar ends on an MTB. I just cover the brakes when
> I'm riding in situations where they are likely to be used (e.g., heavy
> traffic, crowded bike/ped paths). At higher speeds, it's often a
> better tactic to do a "quick turn" as opposed to braking when
> confronted with an unexpected obstacle.
>
> I'm setting up my Bombadil for touring this summer with MTB flat bars,
> drop bar ends and stoker levers. On a big bike like the 60cm Bomb,
> having "modular" flat bars and shorter cables instead of 48cm noodles
> will make packing the bike a bit easier.
>
> Dave
>
> On Feb 18, 4:54 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
> with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
> levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
> compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
> bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
> front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
> like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
> not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
> you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
> not to try this set up?
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Bill Connell]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Dave Lloyd  wrote:
> The trick to removing the cable from the
> cassette joint is using a 2mm allen wrench ot move the cassette joint around
> to take the tension off the cable so that you can easily unhook the cable
> end.  Needle nose pliers are also handy for removing the housing end from
> the cassette joint.

If everything else were equal, i think knowing i'd have to carry a 2mm
allen on the bike at all times might break the deal for me. I've done
some minimal work on IGH bikes, in new/like new condition, and on a
work stand. That was fine, but i don't know that i'd want to swap in a
tube in the cold and/or rain when there's a very lose-able,
hard-to-maneuver-with-cold-hands tiny wrench involved.

On the idea that IGH bikes aren't meant for hard use, that makes me
wonder about the hubs used for racing in Britain back in the day. Were
they really that much more durable, or was regular repair just an
accepted fact with them?

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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Eric Norris]

The Sturmey Archer hub doesn't require any special fittings on the frame--it 
basically goes in and out just like a fixed/ss wheel.  The only added items are 
the shifter cable, which doesn't require tools to remove, and the anti-rotation 
washers on the axle.  Shift into the highest gear (to take tension out of the 
cable), unhook the cable from the hub, and proceed as usual.

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On Feb 18, 2010, at 8:46 AM, JoelMatthews wrote:

> Jim:
> 
> What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?
> 
> When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
> of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
> easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
> wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
> traditional hub and cassette wheel.
> 
> On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
> engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
> approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
> blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.
> 
> On Feb 18, 8:43 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>> Mountain bikers may use the Alfine, except that the dérailleurs they
>> have been using work really well and don't complicate wheel removal
>> and reinstall. I've installed and removed Alfine wheels probably 50
>> times, and I still think it's a hassle.
>> In my opinion, the Nexus/Alfine hubs are at their best on Big Dummies
>> and other cargo bikes. Being able to shift while stopped is a real
>> advantage with a heavy load of cargo.
>> 
>> On Feb 18, 8:32 am, Kris  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Sounds like Shimano to me.  The 8 speed Alfine with a disc brake
>>> option was/is begging to be used by mountain bikers.
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 8:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
>>> wrote:
>>> The tech told me that IGHs are for "cruisers
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[PATRICK MOORE]

Dave: I am interested in the Trek: what size, what style -- tourer, sport
tourer, racing -- what tubing, what braze-ons; what IGH. Photos if size,
kind, hub are what I want?

Thanks.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Dave Lloyd  wrote:

> Civia has some nice videos in their tech section:
> http://www.civiacycles.com/civiaMedia/civiaTech.php
>
> It does take a bit
> longer to remove than a wheel with a QR, but I didn't find it horrible by
> any stretch of the imagination, and my IGH bike has a roller brake and full
> chaincase. The trick to removing the cable from the cassette joint is using
> a 2mm allen wrench ot move the cassette joint around to take the tension off
> the cable so that you can easily unhook the cable end.  Needle nose pliers
> are also handy for removing the housing end from the cassette joint.
>
> What would be truly nice is if shops that sold bikes equipped with IGHs
> would give their customers demos on how to remove the rear wheel.  I was
> able to figure it out, but not everyone is mechanically minded the same way
> I am.
>
> For city riding, I really like the IGH.  Really a hop on and ride sort of
> utility bike, no thinking about what pants you're wearing, if the drivetrain
> is gunked up, etc. with the bike I have. Plus, shifting at stoplights is
> truly great.
>
> That said, I will be selling my IGH bike (anyone interested in a gently
> used Trek L200?) since I find I just don't ride anything but my Xtracycle
> these days.
>
> --dlloyd
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[RBW] Re: Cross Levers Only?

[Michael_S]

not to challenge anyones personal choices... which depends on the
actual use of the bike, but I can't see myself on some rocky rutted
dirt trail or fast winding downhill road trying to steer from the
center of the bars. The leverage needed to ride safely in those
situations,I think, mandates brakes at  the outside of the bar.

Kinda reminds me of those people I see riding their fixed gear bike
with 12" wide bars... scary.


On Feb 18, 10:17 am, Marty  wrote:
> Fantastic QB Ray! Thanks for thinking to do this before I did - I
> think I'll give it a go on my next build.
>
> Marty
>
> On Feb 18, 12:35 pm, Ray Shine  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes, I like the set up for all riding except steep down grades in dirt. It 
> > would be more advantageous to have a wider bar with levers at the ends. 
> > Otherwise, for road riding and in the city, I like the set up a lot.
>
> > Sent From My iPhone
>
> > On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>
> > List member Ray Shine set up his quickbeam exactly as you describe:
>
> >http://www.cyclofiend.com/ssg/2007/ssg074-rayshine0307.html
>
> > I've seen him ride it and it seems to work great for him.  Maybe he'll
> > chime in with further impressions...
>
> > On Feb 18, 6:56 am, Dave Craig  wrote:
> > No real issue come to mind. The argument about access to brakes has
> > been stated before. Really though, in terms of braking, it's not much
> > different than riding on the flats on a road bike set up without cross
> > levers or using long bar ends on an MTB. I just cover the brakes when
> > I'm riding in situations where they are likely to be used (e.g., heavy
> > traffic, crowded bike/ped paths). At higher speeds, it's often a
> > better tactic to do a "quick turn" as opposed to braking when
> > confronted with an unexpected obstacle.
>
> > I'm setting up my Bombadil for touring this summer with MTB flat bars,
> > drop bar ends and stoker levers. On a big bike like the 60cm Bomb,
> > having "modular" flat bars and shorter cables instead of 48cm noodles
> > will make packing the bike a bit easier.
>
> > Dave
>
> > On Feb 18, 4:54 am, Marty  wrote:
>
> > So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
> > with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
> > levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
> > compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
> > bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
> > front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
> > like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
> > not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
> > you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
> > not to try this set up?
>
> > Marty
>
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[RBW] Re: IGH

[JoelMatthews]

> The best thing about my Rohloff is that it never leaks, never requires any
> maintenance, right?
>
> To think of all the time I could be spending fussing with derailleurs if I
> didn't have to keep sending my Rohloff back for repair.

My experience as well.  It almost seems as though the brilliant
engineers are all clamoring to work on the gearing and no one is
interested in the journeyman stuff like getting seals right.

And to Jim's point, the more I used the Rohloff, the less I found any
real advantage over a der system.

However, I do wonder whether the forthcoming Alfine 11 will have the
easier Rohloff mount/dismount connection.

On Feb 18, 12:10 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
> The best thing about my Rohloff is that it never leaks, never requires any
> maintenance, right?
>
> To think of all the time I could be spending fussing with derailleurs if I
> didn't have to keep sending my Rohloff back for repair.
>
> Dustin
>
>
>
> > From: Esteban 
> > Reply-To: 
> > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:07:27 -0800 (PST)
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: IGH
>
> > I agree with Grant.  I think that if you're going for simplicity, 1x9
> > is the way to go.  My Kogswell had that before I changed it out for a
> > Nexus redline by default (my wife wanted touring gearing after all on
> > her bike).  I preferred the 1x9 - the steps were more even, lighter,
> > etc.  I like the IGH only because its different from my other bikes,
> > and fully loaded (70lbs groceries + child), its nice to not think
> > ahead about shifting down as I approach a stop.
>
> > This being said, I liked this quote:
> > "If I were riding my bike to the Birmingham coal mines every day and I
> > got home too bushed to brush my teeth, I'd go for an internal gear and
> > hope the gear-chain dealybob didn't slip and leave me spinning air"
>
> > I've had a long love affair with the Birtish 3-speed.  They're like
> > sliding around on a heavy, elegant steel sled.
>
> > Esteban
> > San Diego, Calif.
>
> > On Feb 18, 9:17 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
> >> Agree with Seth mostly, but my Alfine instructions were to place gear in 
> >> 4th
> >> at the red line on the shift indicated. All else as he said.  I've never 
> >> had
> >> any trouble with the hub.
>
> >> Sent From My iPhone
>
> >> On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM, JoelMatthews  
> >> wrote:
>
> >> Jim:
>
> >> What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?
>
> >> When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
> >> of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
> >> easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
> >> wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
> >> traditional hub and cassette wheel.
>
> >> On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
> >> engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
> >> approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
> >> blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.
>
> >> on the nexus redline hubs I have used the process was:
>
> >> - set the grip shift into 1st
> >> - pull the little bolt fixer-do-flochy to disconnect it from the rear
> >> hub bracket
> >> - take the wheel out
> >> - change tire
> >> - put wheel back in
> >> - put chain back on cog
> >> - reconnect the bolt fixer do-flochy
> >> - shift things to make sure the magic lines are aligned on the hub
> >> - bolt stuff tight after tensioning the chain
> >> - ride off.
>
> >> maybe there's a step I'm missing b/c it never took me much time to do it.
>
> >> -sv
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Drive Train

[manueljohnacosta]

sounds good

On Feb 18, 9:09 am, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> I'm putting together my first Atlantis and feeling my way along.
>
> Riv says 107BB and I think the Sugino XD2 they recommend is good but
> unsure of crank arm length. The difference between 170 and 172.5 seems
> minimal to me.
>
> Also, I have a choice buy the following derailleurs from Craigslist
> today:
>
> -New XTR Rear derailleur M972 SGS
> -New XT front derailleur M771 dual pul
>
> for $175. Does this with 8sp barends and an 11-32 8spd cassette all
> make sense?
>
> Thanks as always.

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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> The Rohloff is much easier to use, from a wheel removal/replacement
> standpoint, than the Nexus/Alfine.
>
> In my experience, the Alfine/Nexus remove/replace process was not that
> complicated, as Seth points out. Where I got frustrated was trying to
> get the cable positioned correctly in a tight space with my clumsy
> bratwurst-like fingers, while making sure the chain was tight, etc.
> And that was in a shop repair stand with all my tools and good
> lighting. I might tolerate that if I saw some real advantage to using
> the IGH, but since I don't see any advantages, my tolerance for the
> extra hassle is pretty low.
>
> Much easier to drop the chain to the small cog, open the q/r, and drop
> the wheel out... What was wrong with derailleurs again?


Now, let me make sure I'm clear: I don't have a problem with
deraillers. Nor do I have a predilection toward igh. I just said I
hadn't had a bad time taking the rear wheel off to change it out .

I'm not arguing with your other points about the durability of the
shimano ighs in bad weather or rougher conditions..

I was just explaining what I had seen about taking the rear wheel off.

-sv
4 bikes in the house and 1 of them is igh..

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Re: [RBW] Re: IGH

[Dustin Sharp]

I think Rohloff's claim is that getting the seals right would produce an
unacceptable amount of drag. Whether that's true or not, I'd just settle for
a hub that only seeped but did not bleed oil. They are now replacing all of
the internals of my hub, so let's hope I have better luck this time.


> From: JoelMatthews 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:51:54 -0800 (PST)
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Subject: [RBW] Re: IGH
> 
>> The best thing about my Rohloff is that it never leaks, never requires any
>> maintenance, right?
>> 
>> To think of all the time I could be spending fussing with derailleurs if I
>> didn't have to keep sending my Rohloff back for repair.
> 
> My experience as well.  It almost seems as though the brilliant
> engineers are all clamoring to work on the gearing and no one is
> interested in the journeyman stuff like getting seals right.
> 
> And to Jim's point, the more I used the Rohloff, the less I found any
> real advantage over a der system.
> 
> However, I do wonder whether the forthcoming Alfine 11 will have the
> easier Rohloff mount/dismount connection.
> 
> On Feb 18, 12:10 pm, Dustin Sharp  wrote:
>> The best thing about my Rohloff is that it never leaks, never requires any
>> maintenance, right?
>> 
>> To think of all the time I could be spending fussing with derailleurs if I
>> didn't have to keep sending my Rohloff back for repair.
>> 
>> Dustin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> From: Esteban 
>>> Reply-To: 
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:07:27 -0800 (PST)
>>> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> Subject: [RBW] Re: IGH
>> 
>>> I agree with Grant.  I think that if you're going for simplicity, 1x9
>>> is the way to go.  My Kogswell had that before I changed it out for a
>>> Nexus redline by default (my wife wanted touring gearing after all on
>>> her bike).  I preferred the 1x9 - the steps were more even, lighter,
>>> etc.  I like the IGH only because its different from my other bikes,
>>> and fully loaded (70lbs groceries + child), its nice to not think
>>> ahead about shifting down as I approach a stop.
>> 
>>> This being said, I liked this quote:
>>> "If I were riding my bike to the Birmingham coal mines every day and I
>>> got home too bushed to brush my teeth, I'd go for an internal gear and
>>> hope the gear-chain dealybob didn't slip and leave me spinning air"
>> 
>>> I've had a long love affair with the Birtish 3-speed.  They're like
>>> sliding around on a heavy, elegant steel sled.
>> 
>>> Esteban
>>> San Diego, Calif.
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 9:17 am, Ray Shine  wrote:
 Agree with Seth mostly, but my Alfine instructions were to place gear in
 4th
 at the red line on the shift indicated. All else as he said.  I've never
 had
 any trouble with the hub.
>> 
 Sent From My iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 18, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>> 
 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:46 AM, JoelMatthews 
 wrote:
>> 
 Jim:
>> 
 What is the process for changing an Alfine equipped wheel?
>> 
 When I had the Rohloff equipped bike changing the wheels was the least
 of my problems.  The cables attached to the hub throug some sort of
 easy off device.  With OEM Rohloff drop outs anyway, removing the
 wheel from that point on was not any more difficult than removing a
 traditional hub and cassette wheel.
>> 
 On the other hand, what should have been simple issues given the
 engineering of the hub - ie seals that worked and finding Rohloff
 approved oil - turned into such a hassle I wound up getting rid of the
 blasted bike.  And it was a real beauty.
>> 
 on the nexus redline hubs I have used the process was:
>> 
 - set the grip shift into 1st
 - pull the little bolt fixer-do-flochy to disconnect it from the rear
 hub bracket
 - take the wheel out
 - change tire
 - put wheel back in
 - put chain back on cog
 - reconnect the bolt fixer do-flochy
 - shift things to make sure the magic lines are aligned on the hub
 - bolt stuff tight after tensioning the chain
 - ride off.
>> 
 maybe there's a step I'm missing b/c it never took me much time to do it.
>> 
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[RBW] Re: SoCal Rivendell Ride on 2/21

[manueljohnacosta]

sounds like an interesting ride. Have fun!

On Feb 18, 6:55 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> 60 or so miles around L.A. this Sunday.  Going down the River, out to Palos
> Verdes, up the Promenade along the Pacific.  It's organized through the RBW
> list, but you do NOT need to be on the list or have a Rivendell to join us.
> Pace is moderate, not fast, not slow.  There are typically lots of stops and
> re-groupings.  We'll meet up around 9:30 for a 10:00 ride.  90% chance of it
> being the Wilshire/Vermont Metro stop which has parking and is served by Red
> and Purple lines.  A chance that it'll be Wilshire/Western stop.  More info
> and final arrangements will get posted 
> here:http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...
>
> Hope we can get a lot of folks out and enjoying the day!!!
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[RBW] Re: lively, low rolling resistance 700C road/off-road tire?

[Patrick in VT]

On Feb 18, 11:07 am, Earl Grey  wrote:

i feel like this is where 650b really shines - fat "road" tires that
can be ridden at very low pressures for off-road comfort and
traction.  it really makes for a great transition from pavement to off-
road.

seems like everything in 700c that is bigger than 35ish gets really
aggressive, or is a stout commuting/trekking tire.

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[RBW] Various questions about the Sam Hillborne

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'm toying, just toying, with the thought of buying a SH as an allrounder
touring bike to complement my stable of (a) road bikes with max cap of 28s
with fenders and (b) a full, 65mm-tired 29er. So:

1. How big a load, front + rear, can the SH comfortably handle, assuming you
are using top quality racks, like Tubus?
2. How does a front load affect wheel flop? (I recently added a small bar
bag to my custom Riv Road and find that even a few lbs increase flop
noticeably; of course, this bike has very light and very narrow 559 wheels,
which may be more affected by weight over the front wheel.)
3. How much weight do you find you can tolerably carry on front?
4. It does have fork-leg braze-ons for a small front rack, right? What racks
fit? And how much weight can they carry?

FWIW, I am 170 buck nekkid and am planning a dirt road tour in late spring,
and while I love the idea of the Fargo, it is probably too much of a
duplicate of my (God willing)
in-the-process-of-being-customized-by-local-builder Monocog 29er, for which,
were I to choose the Monocog for the tour, I would buy a nice Alfine
hub-geared touring wheelset (with disc-braked dynohub front!)..

I know that the Atlantis is the cat's pyjamas, but perhaps the SH is more
roadish and fits better into the gaps of my present bike stable.

All comments welcome if they are intelligent and well articulated.

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Re: [RBW] Various questions about the Sam Hillborne

[Dustin Sharp]

Bork!

Does that count?

>>All comments welcome if they are intelligent and well articulated.


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Re: [RBW] Various questions about the Sam Hillborne

[PATRICK MOORE]

Articulate, but not very intelligent.

Patrick "3.6 FSU" Moore

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Dustin Sharp  wrote:

>  Bork!
>
> Does that count?
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[RBW] Re: Various questions about the Sam Hillborne

[stevep33]

4.  SH mid fork braze-on fits a Nitto Mini Campee perfectly (http://
store.somafab.com/nica32frmira.html).  The max load is   A
saleswoman at Harris Cyclery also showed me how a Tubus Tara rack can
be fitted by inverting the stays going to the mid-fork braze-ons -
that's a sturdy rack.

Interestingly, I saw this writeup on a Handsome Cycles
Devil...supposedly XO-1 inspired but low trail (dare I mention
trail).  The EcoVelo writeup is good, commenting that that a 50/50
load split worked well. 
http://www.ecovelo.info/2010/02/16/handsome-cycle-co-devil-2/
Anyway, in this case, I think this frame is an interesting alternative
for the purpose you describe.

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Re: [RBW] Cross Levers Only?

[James Dinneen]

I have a Surly Steamroller singlespeed, not fixed (poor man's Quickbeam). It 
came with cross levers but no brakes on the curve of the drops. I found it very 
disconcerting not to have the brakes in the usual place. I changed to a flat 
bar. I am not sure that time on the bike would have helped me adapt. I like to 
ride on the hoods with fingers on the brakes. 
 
Jim D. Massachusetts

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From: Marty 
Subject: [RBW] Cross Levers Only?
To: "RBW Owners Bunch" 
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 6:54 AM


So I'm thinking out loud here: Any reason not to set up some noodles
with cross levers up top and tandem stoker levers where normal brake
levers would be? Could even combine that with thumbies for an ultra
compact command center, and avoid those long wrap-around cables from
bar-end shifters that seem to always interfere with a rando bag out
front. I like the idea of varied positions on the noodles, but would
like to eliminate redundant braking and use the cross levers alone -
not as interrupters. Only down side I suppose is in emergencies when
you happen to be in the drops, or riding the hoods. Any other reasons
not to try this set up?

Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: Various questions about the Sam Hillborne

[andrew hill]

i was going to buy a Handsome Devil myself, when deciding what to replace my 
XO-1 with..  but once i figured in the cost of the components, etc., the 
difference in frame costs didn't made justifying the Sam hard at all.. 

e.g. talking about a ~$1500 versus ~$2200 build and getting a more expanded 
geometry and lugs (both important for me) made the Sam a no-brainer.  
especially since i wanted a threaded stem b/c the Devil didn't have a 
compatible bullmoose (found something similar for clamped stems, but it had big 
ugly bolts all over it :)

now that i've ridden the Sam a bit, i'm quite pleased that i chose it over the 
Atlantis, even.. really perfect fit for me with the larger sloping top-tube, 
and it might not have been quite so perfect with bullmoose on an Atlantis, as 
i've got em at the max-height line on the Sam.


On Feb 18, 2010, at 1:34 PM, stevep33 wrote:

> 4.  SH mid fork braze-on fits a Nitto Mini Campee perfectly (http://
> store.somafab.com/nica32frmira.html).  The max load is   A
> saleswoman at Harris Cyclery also showed me how a Tubus Tara rack can
> be fitted by inverting the stays going to the mid-fork braze-ons -
> that's a sturdy rack.
> 
> Interestingly, I saw this writeup on a Handsome Cycles
> Devil...supposedly XO-1 inspired but low trail (dare I mention
> trail).  The EcoVelo writeup is good, commenting that that a 50/50
> load split worked well. 
> http://www.ecovelo.info/2010/02/16/handsome-cycle-co-devil-2/
> Anyway, in this case, I think this frame is an interesting alternative
> for the purpose you describe.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Various questions about the Sam Hillborne

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:49 PM, andrew hill  wrote:
> i was going to buy a Handsome Devil myself, when deciding what to replace my 
> XO-1 with..  but once i figured in the cost of the components, etc., the 
> difference in frame costs didn't made justifying the Sam hard at all..
>
> e.g. talking about a ~$1500 versus ~$2200 build and getting a more expanded 
> geometry and lugs (both important for me) made the Sam a no-brainer.  
> especially since i wanted a threaded stem b/c the Devil didn't have a 
> compatible bullmoose (found something similar for clamped stems, but it had 
> big ugly bolts all over it :)
>


I have to agree the ease of adjusting a threaded stem heigh is a nice
benefit if you're not quite sure where you want the bars, or if you
want to change the bars out from time to time.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: lively, low rolling resistance 700C road/off-road tire?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 12:43 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote:
> On Feb 18, 11:07 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
> 
> i feel like this is where 650b really shines - fat "road" tires that
> can be ridden at very low pressures for off-road comfort and
> traction.  it really makes for a great transition from pavement to off-
> road.

Yes.  Transition == note the sign, keep right on truckin', say "Man,
those Hetres are simply amazing!".

> 
> seems like everything in 700c that is bigger than 35ish gets really
> aggressive, or is a stout commuting/trekking tire.
> 

Exactly.



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[RBW] S24O - Hawk Camp, Marin Headlands

[manueljohnacosta]

After a quick 35ish mile group ride in San Jose, me and a buddy of
mine, out of the blue, to go camping at Hawk Camp. Scrambling along to
get out gear, we head over to bart to try to beat the sun. Once we get
on embaracdero, we were greeted by an amazingly warm weather all the
way to salsalito, where we pick up a pizza to bring to the campsite.
After a couple of miles of hiking and biking, cramping starts to
settle in and the thought of a cold pizza and a warm sleeping bag
fuels us to push on. Once we get to the campsite we share our pizza
with an unexpected visitor, Dav, a professional hike leader who biked
across the country in the early 80's. We fall asleep with the coyote's
howling and ships blowing their horns into the night. When we wake up
we're surround by dense fog all the way back to bart. Tired and in
dire need of a bath we still had a great time.

Pictures can be found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623462389672/


- Manny "Random trips are fun trips!" Acosta

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[RBW] Re: Hilsen Pics

[Vijay]

looks great!  Is that a medium sack?  I have been considering getting
one, but not not sure about the carrying capacity.  How have you found
it?

On Feb 18, 12:40 am, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> I took some pictures of my 59cm Hilsen in Seattle after this morning's
> commute:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/HilsenV20#
>
> It's currently got a front basket, porteur bars, and the Shopsack for
> commuting.  So far this setup has been my favorite commute rig mainly due to
> the simplicity and functionality of the the basket and sack, although I may
> have to get the new bar bag and put the basket in the back. I've been on
> this combination now for a few months.  I just cleaned the grunge off this
> past weekend - it was pretty dismal with at least a quarter inch of road
> slime caked inside the fenders.  They cleaned right up with a little
> scrubbing, however, and it's back to it's quiet, smooth self.
>
> On really crappy days, I ride my old mountain bike, and it's like night and
> day when I get back on this one.  Awesome!
>
> Brian

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Re: [RBW] lively, low rolling resistance 700C road/off-road tire?

[Rene Sterental]

I've used other variations of the Borroughs previously, mainly for
commuting and found them great on the road. Didn't really ride them
off-road.

The Extremes have no buzz on the road and rolled great. Right now I
think I prefer them. Still have a pair of the Borroughs 32;
Armadillos, I think. Almost new, still a long life left in them. You
can have them for $30 + shipping. I'm traveling now but can confirm
when what version they are when I get home on Saturday.

René

On 2/18/10, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 12:43 -0800, Patrick in VT wrote:
>> On Feb 18, 11:07 am, Earl Grey  wrote:
>>
>> i feel like this is where 650b really shines - fat "road" tires that
>> can be ridden at very low pressures for off-road comfort and
>> traction.  it really makes for a great transition from pavement to off-
>> road.
>
> Yes.  Transition == note the sign, keep right on truckin', say "Man,
> those Hetres are simply amazing!".
>
>>
>> seems like everything in 700c that is bigger than 35ish gets really
>> aggressive, or is a stout commuting/trekking tire.
>>
>
> Exactly.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hilsen Pics

[Brian Hanson]

Yes - it's the medium shop sack.  I can carry a towel and change of cloths.
Anything bigger goes in the basket under the sack.  It's been big enough for
me.  If you need to carry a laptop, it's not ideal unless it's a net book.
I was using a MacBook Air for a while, and that worked.

Brian

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Vijay  wrote:

> looks great!  Is that a medium sack?  I have been considering getting
> one, but not not sure about the carrying capacity.  How have you found
> it?
>
> On Feb 18, 12:40 am, Brian Hanson  wrote:
> > I took some pictures of my 59cm Hilsen in Seattle after this morning's
> > commute:
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.com/stonehog/HilsenV20#
> >
> > It's currently got a front basket, porteur bars, and the Shopsack for
> > commuting.  So far this setup has been my favorite commute rig mainly due
> to
> > the simplicity and functionality of the the basket and sack, although I
> may
> > have to get the new bar bag and put the basket in the back. I've been on
> > this combination now for a few months.  I just cleaned the grunge off
> this
> > past weekend - it was pretty dismal with at least a quarter inch of road
> > slime caked inside the fenders.  They cleaned right up with a little
> > scrubbing, however, and it's back to it's quiet, smooth self.
> >
> > On really crappy days, I ride my old mountain bike, and it's like night
> and
> > day when I get back on this one.  Awesome!
> >
> > Brian
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[RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions

[Kentileguy]

I looked, I rode, I bought! The actual standover height with 700 x
33.3 Jack Browns is 83.3cm. Thanks again for all your help, Ken

On Feb 17, 7:18 pm, Kentileguy  wrote:
> It appears the answer to my question is a resounding yes! I'm checking
> it out tomorrow morning. According to the weather report I should have
> a 15 degree test ride. Thanks for all the helpful responses, Ken
>
> On Feb 17, 4:30 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
>
>  wrote:
> > They told me the same thing -- I measured PBH at about 85.5, and they put 
> > me on a 61cm Hilsen (which fits perfectly), despite fact that geometry 
> > chart lists standover at 87cm.
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Seth Vidal
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:28 PM
> > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions
>
> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Andrew  wrote:
> > > I built up a 59cm with 35mm tires and the standover was closer to
> > > 83.5-84cm mid toptube. I asked Rivendell and they said the website
> > > over estimates the Homer Hilsen standover.
>
> > That's interesting. by how much?
>
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[RBW] schwinn 49cm for free

[Rene Valbuena]

I have a 49cm Schwinn LeTour I am giving up for free to those who can pick
it up in San Jose, California. The wheels are 27" and the rear rim is wider
than the front by a few millimeter. It has a vintage suntour front
derailleur which some of you might be looking for. Please note that the pair
of SKS fenders is NOT included.  Here's the photo:

 

http://tinyurl.com/schwinn4free

 

You can email me off-list.

 

n  Rene

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[RBW] Re: S24O - Hawk Camp, Marin Headlands

[Pondero]

Love the "let's not over-think this" spirit.  The photo of the pizza
box beausage says it all


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Re: [RBW] S24O - Hawk Camp, Marin Headlands

[Anne Paulson]

That looks so great. It's going on my list- maybe an s24o in April.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:06 PM, manueljohnacosta
 wrote:
> After a quick 35ish mile group ride in San Jose, me and a buddy of
> mine, out of the blue, to go camping at Hawk Camp. Scrambling along to
> get out gear, we head over to bart to try to beat the sun. Once we get
> on embaracdero, we were greeted by an amazingly warm weather all the
> way to salsalito, where we pick up a pizza to bring to the campsite.
> After a couple of miles of hiking and biking, cramping starts to
> settle in and the thought of a cold pizza and a warm sleeping bag
> fuels us to push on. Once we get to the campsite we share our pizza
> with an unexpected visitor, Dav, a professional hike leader who biked
> across the country in the early 80's. We fall asleep with the coyote's
> howling and ships blowing their horns into the night. When we wake up
> we're surround by dense fog all the way back to bart. Tired and in
> dire need of a bath we still had a great time.
>
> Pictures can be found here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623462389672/
>
>
> - Manny "Random trips are fun trips!" Acosta
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Drive Train

[doug peterson]

IIRC, the 107 mm BB listed is an error.  My Atlantis came from Riv
with a 115 & the same crank you've got.  When I replaced the BB, my
measurements & research suggested a 110 would work.  It did but just
barely.  I'd go 113 as a minimum.  My crank has 175 arms and 24/36/46
rings.

No comment on the derailers (whatever Riv put on mine work fine) but
IMHO the 11-32 8 speed is not a good touring set-up.  Mine came with
that & I found no use whatsoever for the 11 and minimal use for the
13.  So most riding was in the 15-18-21 and the gaps seemed too big.
I cobbled together my own 12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32 by subbing old 7
speed cogs for the lower 3.  I rode that for a couple of years but
still didn't like the 18 to 21 shift and the 12 wasn't much use.  When
that set up wore out I picked up a 13-26 8 speed and made my own
13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32 by using the 3 original big cogs with 5 from
the 13-26.  For touring this provides nice steps in the range that's
actually used most.  Harris makes this as a custom or you can blend a
couple of cassettes together to create your own.  Loads of fun.

dougP


On Feb 18, 9:09 am, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> I'm putting together my first Atlantis and feeling my way along.
>
> Riv says 107BB and I think the Sugino XD2 they recommend is good but
> unsure of crank arm length. The difference between 170 and 172.5 seems
> minimal to me.
>
> Also, I have a choice buy the following derailleurs from Craigslist
> today:
>
> -New XTR Rear derailleur M972 SGS
> -New XT front derailleur M771 dual pul
>
> for $175. Does this with 8sp barends and an 11-32 8spd cassette all
> make sense?
>
> Thanks as always.

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[RBW] Re: S24O - Hawk Camp, Marin Headlands

[manueljohnacosta]

Pondere - We were so head strung about going that we both forgot to
bring a pump. If we had a flat that would make an great adventure into
an amazing one.

Anne - April would be amazing, just some advice, at Hawk Camp there is
no water or fires there. But it's free and I was able to reserve the
campsite a couple hours before we got there.

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Drive Train

[Mitch Browne]

Doug,

Based on previous comments like yours I called Riv and specifically
asked about the Atlantis BB recommendation on their website. Dave
asked me how old the frame I have is and I told him 5 yrs. Grant said
107 so I feel compelled but a little uneasy about something that
shouldn't be.

Thanks for the tip on Harris, I agree, on my current bike I have rare
use for the 11.

The learning curve continues.

On Feb 18, 4:51 pm, doug peterson  wrote:
> IIRC, the 107 mm BB listed is an error.  My Atlantis came from Riv
> with a 115 & the same crank you've got.  When I replaced the BB, my
> measurements & research suggested a 110 would work.  It did but just
> barely.  I'd go 113 as a minimum.  My crank has 175 arms and 24/36/46
> rings.
>
> No comment on the derailers (whatever Riv put on mine work fine) but
> IMHO the 11-32 8 speed is not a good touring set-up.  Mine came with
> that & I found no use whatsoever for the 11 and minimal use for the
> 13.  So most riding was in the 15-18-21 and the gaps seemed too big.
> I cobbled together my own 12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32 by subbing old 7
> speed cogs for the lower 3.  I rode that for a couple of years but
> still didn't like the 18 to 21 shift and the 12 wasn't much use.  When
> that set up wore out I picked up a 13-26 8 speed and made my own
> 13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32 by using the 3 original big cogs with 5 from
> the 13-26.  For touring this provides nice steps in the range that's
> actually used most.  Harris makes this as a custom or you can blend a
> couple of cassettes together to create your own.  Loads of fun.
>
> dougP
>
> On Feb 18, 9:09 am, Mitch Browne  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm putting together my first Atlantis and feeling my way along.
>
> > Riv says 107BB and I think the Sugino XD2 they recommend is good but
> > unsure of crank arm length. The difference between 170 and 172.5 seems
> > minimal to me.
>
> > Also, I have a choice buy the following derailleurs from Craigslist
> > today:
>
> > -New XTR Rear derailleur M972 SGS
> > -New XT front derailleur M771 dual pul
>
> > for $175. Does this with 8sp barends and an 11-32 8spd cassette all
> > make sense?
>
> > Thanks as always.

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[RBW] Re: IGH

[EricP]

The biggest problem I ran into on my IGH bike was getting the chain
tension right after tube/tire changes.  And, yes, having a 2mm around
was more than a bit of a pain.

(Especially the time I had to change a flat on a bridge in near zero
temps.  That's what made me decide a derailer system was preferable.)

My Brompton does have a SA 3 speed hub.  No problems at all with
that.  And it has been from one end of the country to the other.  So
IGH can work well.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Feb 18, 12:20�pm, Bill Connell  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Dave Lloyd  wrote:
> > The trick to removing the cable from the
> > cassette joint is using a 2mm allen wrench ot move the cassette joint around
> > to take the tension off the cable so that you can easily unhook the cable
> > end. �Needle nose pliers are also handy for removing the housing end from
> > the cassette joint.
>
> If everything else were equal, i think knowing i'd have to carry a 2mm
> allen on the bike at all times might break the deal for me. I've done
> some minimal work on IGH bikes, in new/like new condition, and on a
> work stand. That was fine, but i don't know that i'd want to swap in a
> tube in the cold and/or rain when there's a very lose-able,
> hard-to-maneuver-with-cold-hands tiny wrench involved.
>
> On the idea that IGH bikes aren't meant for hard use, that makes me
> wonder about the hubs used for racing in Britain back in the day. Were
> they really that much more durable, or was regular repair just an
> accepted fact with them?
>
> --
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[RBW] Re: Various questions about the Sam Hillborne

[EricP]

Not sure of the total amount of weight, but figure have carried 25 to
30 pounds on my Hillborne.  My weight last summer was 240.  So, I'd
say the bike could carry 260-270 without problems.

Did not notice extra wheel flop with a front load.  But my front bag
is usually a hobo bag.  I also may be immune to most flop issues.

My setup is just the small Nitto rack on the front of the Hillborne.
With a small bag and handlebar bag, probably not more than 10 pounds.
But that was just this year.

FWIW, the bike is shod with Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 700x40 and
fenders.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Feb 18, 2:47�pm, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> I'm toying, just toying, with the thought of buying a SH as an allrounder
> touring bike to complement my stable of (a) road bikes with max cap of 28s
> with fenders and (b) a full, 65mm-tired 29er. So:
>
> 1. How big a load, front + rear, can the SH comfortably handle, assuming you
> are using top quality racks, like Tubus?
> 2. How does a front load affect wheel flop? (I recently added a small bar
> bag to my custom Riv Road and find that even a few lbs increase flop
> noticeably; of course, this bike has very light and very narrow 559 wheels,
> which may be more affected by weight over the front wheel.)
> 3. How much weight do you find you can tolerably carry on front?
> 4. It does have fork-leg braze-ons for a small front rack, right? What racks
> fit? And how much weight can they carry?
>
> FWIW, I am 170 buck nekkid and am planning a dirt road tour in late spring,
> and while I love the idea of the Fargo, it is probably too much of a
> duplicate of my (God willing)
> in-the-process-of-being-customized-by-local-builder Monocog 29er, for which,
> were I to choose the Monocog for the tour, I would buy a nice Alfine
> hub-geared touring wheelset (with disc-braked dynohub front!)..
>
> I know that the Atlantis is the cat's pyjamas, but perhaps the SH is more
> roadish and fits better into the gaps of my present bike stable.
>
> All comments welcome if they are intelligent and well articulated.
>
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Re: [RBW] schwinn 49cm for free

[Rene Sterental]

René,

I'd like to pick it up on Saturday or Sunday, when it isn't raining. I
can't email you directly from my BlackBerry, but could do so tonight.

René
orthie...@gmail.com

On 2/18/10, Rene Valbuena  wrote:
> I have a 49cm Schwinn LeTour I am giving up for free to those who can pick
> it up in San Jose, California. The wheels are 27" and the rear rim is wider
> than the front by a few millimeter. It has a vintage suntour front
> derailleur which some of you might be looking for. Please note that the pair
> of SKS fenders is NOT included.  Here's the photo:
>
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/schwinn4free
>
>
>
> You can email me off-list.
>
>
>
> n  Rene
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[RBW] Re: IGH

[Angus]

Thanks for the input Jim...I was toying with the idea of a 8 speed IGH
on my All-Rounder/Commuter but I think I'll spend my money elsewhere.

Angus

On Feb 18, 7:50 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
> One of my more exuberant customers killed his 2nd or 3rd 3-speed hub
> in 2 years. I called the highly regarded manufacturer of the most
> recent one to get another warranty replacement, which it turns out, is
> no longer available (they've never had parts, so we always just
> replace the whole hub). The tech told me that IGHs are for "cruisers
> and other low-torque applications". Anyway, this is about Chapter 20
> of my book of frustrations with IG hubs, which is not polite
> conversation in utility cycling circles, where IGHs are surrounded by
> a sort of religious devotion. So it was with some satisfaction that I
> read today's Riv blog post about IGHs.

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[RBW] FS: Keen Commuter SPD sandals NIB

[cyclotourist]

I just purchased these on ebay, and they run a size (maybe two) smaller than
the regular Keen sandals.  I can't return them, so anyone interested?  I
really like the color on them, kind of a brownish/olive color.  Better than
the regular black IMHO.

$90 which includes shipping.  $80 if someone local wants them on Sunday's
Riv ride.  Priority given to the local sale.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4369470246/in/photostream/

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Re: [RBW] Re: SoCal Rivendell Ride on 2/21

[cyclotourist]

Next time you're down south...  :-)

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:35 AM, manueljohnacosta <
manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> sounds like an interesting ride. Have fun!
>
> On Feb 18, 6:55 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > 60 or so miles around L.A. this Sunday.  Going down the River, out to
> Palos
> > Verdes, up the Promenade along the Pacific.  It's organized through the
> RBW
> > list, but you do NOT need to be on the list or have a Rivendell to join
> us.
> > Pace is moderate, not fast, not slow.  There are typically lots of stops
> and
> > re-groupings.  We'll meet up around 9:30 for a 10:00 ride.  90% chance of
> it
> > being the Wilshire/Vermont Metro stop which has parking and is served by
> Red
> > and Purple lines.  A chance that it'll be Wilshire/Western stop.  More
> info
> > and final arrangements will get posted here:
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_soc...
> >
> > Hope we can get a lot of folks out and enjoying the day!!!
> >
> > --
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> > David
> > Redlands, CA
> >
> > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
> > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
> > scientist guy
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Re: [RBW] schwinn 49cm for free

[Rene Valbuena]

Hi René,

Sorry. The mixte has been claimed.

Thanks for your interest.

-- René


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>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [RBW] schwinn 49cm for free
>
>René,
>
>I'd like to pick it up on Saturday or Sunday, when it isn't raining. I
>can't email you directly from my BlackBerry, but could do so tonight.
>
>René
>orthie...@gmail.com
>
>On 2/18/10, Rene Valbuena  wrote:
>> I have a 49cm Schwinn LeTour I am giving up for free to those who can pick
>> it up in San Jose, California. The wheels are 27" and the rear rim is wider
>> than the front by a few millimeter. It has a vintage suntour front
>> derailleur which some of you might be looking for. Please note that the pair
>> of SKS fenders is NOT included.  Here's the photo:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/schwinn4free
>>
>>
>>
>> You can email me off-list.
>>
>>
>>
>> n  Rene
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[RBW] Re: FS: Keen Commuter SPD sandals NIB

[Earl Grey]

NIce to know they run small, but what size are they (either nominal or
real? :)

Do they run small because they are more narrow, or are they smaller in
all directions?

Gernot


On Feb 19, 9:06 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I just purchased these on ebay, and they run a size (maybe two) smaller than
> the regular Keen sandals.  I can't return them, so anyone interested?  I
> really like the color on them, kind of a brownish/olive color.  Better than
> the regular black IMHO.
>
> $90 which includes shipping.  $80 if someone local wants them on Sunday's
> Riv ride.  Priority given to the local sale.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4369470246/in/photostream/
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
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> wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
> scientist guy

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Keen Commuter SPD sandals NIB

[cyclotourist]

You were supposed to click on the flickr linkety-link :-)

They are 44/10.5 as that's what I wear with regular Keen sandals.  But my
toes are pushed back in the front, so I would definitely need a 45/11 or
possibly a 46/11.5.  So these fit more like a 43/10 narrow.  Definitely
narrow too.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Earl Grey  wrote:

> NIce to know they run small, but what size are they (either nominal or
> real? :)
>
> Do they run small because they are more narrow, or are they smaller in
> all directions?
>
> Gernot
>
>
> On Feb 19, 9:06 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > I just purchased these on ebay, and they run a size (maybe two) smaller
> than
> > the regular Keen sandals.  I can't return them, so anyone interested?  I
> > really like the color on them, kind of a brownish/olive color.  Better
> than
> > the regular black IMHO.
> >
> > $90 which includes shipping.  $80 if someone local wants them on Sunday's
> > Riv ride.  Priority given to the local sale.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4369470246/in/photostream/
> >
> > --
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> > David
> > Redlands, CA
> >
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> > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
> > scientist guy
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[RBW] Re: schwinn 49cm for free

[JoelMatthews]

Very nice Mixte as well.  Hope whoever got it does a good build.
Right nice of you to do this!

On Feb 18, 8:21 pm, Rene Valbuena  wrote:
> Hi René,
>
> Sorry. The mixte has been claimed.
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
> -- René
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Rene Sterental 
> >Sent: Feb 18, 2010 8:38 PM
> >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [RBW] schwinn 49cm for free
>
> >René,
>
> >I'd like to pick it up on Saturday or Sunday, when it isn't raining. I
> >can't email you directly from my BlackBerry, but could do so tonight.
>
> >René
> >orthie...@gmail.com
>
> >On 2/18/10, Rene Valbuena  wrote:
> >> I have a 49cm Schwinn LeTour I am giving up for free to those who can pick
> >> it up in San Jose, California. The wheels are 27" and the rear rim is wider
> >> than the front by a few millimeter. It has a vintage suntour front
> >> derailleur which some of you might be looking for. Please note that the 
> >> pair
> >> of SKS fenders is NOT included.  Here's the photo:
>
> >>http://tinyurl.com/schwinn4free
>
> >> You can email me off-list.
>
> >> n  Rene
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[RBW] Re: IGH

[JoelMatthews]

Eric:  Was this with OEM drop outs or a chain tensioner?

On Feb 18, 7:21 pm, EricP  wrote:
> The biggest problem I ran into on my IGH bike was getting the chain
> tension right after tube/tire changes.  And, yes, having a 2mm around
> was more than a bit of a pain.
>
> (Especially the time I had to change a flat on a bridge in near zero
> temps.  That's what made me decide a derailer system was preferable.)
>
> My Brompton does have a SA 3 speed hub.  No problems at all with
> that.  And it has been from one end of the country to the other.  So
> IGH can work well.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Feb 18, 12:20 pm, Bill Connell  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Dave Lloyd  wrote:
> > > The trick to removing the cable from the
> > > cassette joint is using a 2mm allen wrench ot move the cassette joint 
> > > around
> > > to take the tension off the cable so that you can easily unhook the cable
> > > end. Needle nose pliers are also handy for removing the housing end from
> > > the cassette joint.
>
> > If everything else were equal, i think knowing i'd have to carry a 2mm
> > allen on the bike at all times might break the deal for me. I've done
> > some minimal work on IGH bikes, in new/like new condition, and on a
> > work stand. That was fine, but i don't know that i'd want to swap in a
> > tube in the cold and/or rain when there's a very lose-able,
> > hard-to-maneuver-with-cold-hands tiny wrench involved.
>
> > On the idea that IGH bikes aren't meant for hard use, that makes me
> > wonder about the hubs used for racing in Britain back in the day. Were
> > they really that much more durable, or was regular repair just an
> > accepted fact with them?
>
> > --
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Drive Train

[Earl Grey]

The derailers should work fine, though I don't particularly like the
aggressive looks of the new XTR shadow rear mech, and you can
certainly spend a lot less without reducing performance. Check
chainreactioncycles.com for NOS (new old stock) Shimano derailers (and
hubs, etc.) at great prices. Shipping to the US is very reasonable.
(No affiliation, just a happy customer.)

Re. cranks: What's your inseam or PBH? There are a couple of crank arm
length calculators on the web. Also take into consideration how high
your normal/favorite cadence is. Preference for a higher cadence
benefits from a shorter crank for a given leg length. If you want to
read something controversial on the topic, try 
http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crankset.html.
But in the end, the difference between 170 and 172.5 is pretty
minimal, considering the wide range of lengths cranks USED to be
available in. I ride 175s, and have a PBH of 83cm, and keep my cadence
just below 80 usually (though I don't really pay attention to
cadence...)

Gernot

On Feb 19, 12:09 am, Mitch Browne  wrote:
> I'm putting together my first Atlantis and feeling my way along.
>
> Riv says 107BB and I think the Sugino XD2 they recommend is good but
> unsure of crank arm length. The difference between 170 and 172.5 seems
> minimal to me.
>
> Also, I have a choice buy the following derailleurs from Craigslist
> today:
>
> -New XTR Rear derailleur M972 SGS
> -New XT front derailleur M771 dual pul
>
> for $175. Does this with 8sp barends and an 11-32 8spd cassette all
> make sense?
>
> Thanks as always.

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[RBW] Re: Best Rentals in the Bay Area?

[Justin Miller]

A few years ago while traveling I rented two bikes (road and mtn.)
from Karim in Berkeley.  My experience was very positive.  I just
stopped by their shop and asked what they might have in my size.
http://www.teamkarim.com/bikes/used/

Justin Miller
Philadelphia, PA



On Feb 15, 8:20 pm, Beardpapa  wrote:
> Heading out to the east bay for a visit in April.   We plan on
> stopping by Jitensha and Riv.  What's the best place to get a decent
> Rivish type rental and what's a good ride out in Walnut Creek?  Thanks
> in advance!

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[RBW] for a good time....

[Seth Vidal]

And if you're REALLY bored and wish to be mildly amused

read the cycles grand bois web site using google translate.

It takes a while to figure out that 'cedar' is the translation of 'ring'

I think I might take to calling my cranks double or triple cedars from now on.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: S24O - Hawk Camp, Marin Headlands

[RoadieRyan]

Cool looking trip love the fog shots, and nice use of John Irish strap
btw.  Curious what kind of Saddle bag were you using?

On Feb 18, 2:06 pm, manueljohnacosta 
wrote:
> After a quick 35ish mile group ride in San Jose, me and a buddy of
> mine, out of the blue, to go camping at Hawk Camp. Scrambling along to
> get out gear, we head over to bart to try to beat the sun. Once we get
> on embaracdero, we were greeted by an amazingly warm weather all the
> way to salsalito, where we pick up a pizza to bring to the campsite.
> After a couple of miles of hiking and biking, cramping starts to
> settle in and the thought of a cold pizza and a warm sleeping bag
> fuels us to push on. Once we get to the campsite we share our pizza
> with an unexpected visitor, Dav, a professional hike leader who biked
> across the country in the early 80's. We fall asleep with the coyote's
> howling and ships blowing their horns into the night. When we wake up
> we're surround by dense fog all the way back to bart. Tired and in
> dire need of a bath we still had a great time.
>
> Pictures can be found here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623462389672/
>
> - Manny "Random trips are fun trips!" Acosta

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Re: [RBW] Re: S24O - Hawk Camp, Marin Headlands

[Anthony Castellino]

EPIC!!! Great jobsounds like a blast!

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:02 PM, manueljohnacosta <
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> Pondere - We were so head strung about going that we both forgot to
> bring a pump. If we had a flat that would make an great adventure into
> an amazing one.
>
> Anne - April would be amazing, just some advice, at Hawk Camp there is
> no water or fires there. But it's free and I was able to reserve the
> campsite a couple hours before we got there.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions

[Anthony Castellino]

Congrats!

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Kentileguy  wrote:

> I looked, I rode, I bought! The actual standover height with 700 x
> 33.3 Jack Browns is 83.3cm. Thanks again for all your help, Ken
>
> On Feb 17, 7:18 pm, Kentileguy  wrote:
> > It appears the answer to my question is a resounding yes! I'm checking
> > it out tomorrow morning. According to the weather report I should have
> > a 15 degree test ride. Thanks for all the helpful responses, Ken
> >
> > On Feb 17, 4:30 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
> >
> >  wrote:
> > > They told me the same thing -- I measured PBH at about 85.5, and they
> put me on a 61cm Hilsen (which fits perfectly), despite fact that geometry
> chart lists standover at 87cm.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:
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> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:28 PM
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> > > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions
> >
> > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Andrew 
> wrote:
> > > > I built up a 59cm with 35mm tires and the standover was closer to
> > > > 83.5-84cm mid toptube. I asked Rivendell and they said the website
> > > > over estimates the Homer Hilsen standover.
> >
> > > That's interesting. by how much?
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Re: [RBW] schwinn 49cm for free

[Rene Sterental]

Thanks René.

On 2/18/10, JoelMatthews  wrote:
> Very nice Mixte as well.  Hope whoever got it does a good build.
> Right nice of you to do this!
>
> On Feb 18, 8:21 pm, Rene Valbuena  wrote:
>> Hi René,
>>
>> Sorry. The mixte has been claimed.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest.
>>
>> -- René
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> >From: Rene Sterental 
>> >Sent: Feb 18, 2010 8:38 PM
>> >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>> >Subject: Re: [RBW] schwinn 49cm for free
>>
>> >René,
>>
>> >I'd like to pick it up on Saturday or Sunday, when it isn't raining. I
>> >can't email you directly from my BlackBerry, but could do so tonight.
>>
>> >René
>> >orthie...@gmail.com
>>
>> >On 2/18/10, Rene Valbuena  wrote:
>> >> I have a 49cm Schwinn LeTour I am giving up for free to those who can
>> >> pick
>> >> it up in San Jose, California. The wheels are 27" and the rear rim is
>> >> wider
>> >> than the front by a few millimeter. It has a vintage suntour front
>> >> derailleur which some of you might be looking for. Please note that the
>> >> pair
>> >> of SKS fenders is NOT included.  Here's the photo:
>>
>> >>http://tinyurl.com/schwinn4free
>>
>> >> You can email me off-list.
>>
>> >> n  Rene
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[RBW] Re: S24O - Hawk Camp, Marin Headlands

[manueljohnacosta]

Ryan - the bag is a carradice barley bag. Awesome bag. Depsite it's
size I've fit a number of oversize items, which all worked out
perfectly.

On Feb 18, 7:38 pm, Anthony Castellino 
wrote:
> EPIC!!! Great jobsounds like a blast!
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:02 PM, manueljohnacosta <
>
>
>
> manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Pondere - We were so head strung about going that we both forgot to
> > bring a pump. If we had a flat that would make an great adventure into
> > an amazing one.
>
> > Anne - April would be amazing, just some advice, at Hawk Camp there is
> > no water or fires there. But it's free and I was able to reserve the
> > campsite a couple hours before we got there.
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Keen Commuter SPD sandals NIB

[cyclotourist]

Weird update:   I've been wearing them around the house, and without socks
they fit.  But with socks (Smart wool bikey ones) they are really too
tight.  I figured it out and it's not the length, not the width, but the
height of the toe box area.  It's very low and made of kinda' hard-ish
plastic.  So there's no room to move the little piggies around up there.
The next size up would be way to long.   H, more investigation needed...

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> You were supposed to click on the flickr linkety-link :-)
>
> They are 44/10.5 as that's what I wear with regular Keen sandals.  But my
> toes are pushed back in the front, so I would definitely need a 45/11 or
> possibly a 46/11.5.  So these fit more like a 43/10 narrow.  Definitely
> narrow too.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Earl Grey  wrote:
>
>> NIce to know they run small, but what size are they (either nominal or
>> real? :)
>>
>> Do they run small because they are more narrow, or are they smaller in
>> all directions?
>>
>> Gernot
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 9:06 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> > I just purchased these on ebay, and they run a size (maybe two) smaller
>> than
>> > the regular Keen sandals.  I can't return them, so anyone interested?  I
>> > really like the color on them, kind of a brownish/olive color.  Better
>> than
>> > the regular black IMHO.
>> >
>> > $90 which includes shipping.  $80 if someone local wants them on
>> Sunday's
>> > Riv ride.  Priority given to the local sale.
>> >
>> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4369470246/in/photostream/
>> >
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>> > David
>> > Redlands, CA
>> >
>> > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
>> > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
>> > scientist guy
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Keen Commuter SPD sandals NIB

[andrew hill]

you know, i just bought some Keen Coronado's (think low Chuck Taylors) and they 
are the same 10.5 fit in the sandals, but these are a wee bit tight.  i wore 
them around for about half a day though, and they seemed too adjust a wee bit - 
these are the canvas-like uppers, so maybe that's part of it..  

toe box is a bit "low" (compared to the generous cup of the couple pair of 
sandals i have) and that same plastic, but the material aside from the plastic 
is giving a bit.  maybe get some super-thin socks?  :)

-a

On Feb 18, 2010, at 10:59 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Weird update:   I've been wearing them around the house, and without socks 
> they fit.  But with socks (Smart wool bikey ones) they are really too tight.  
> I figured it out and it's not the length, not the width, but the height of 
> the toe box area.  It's very low and made of kinda' hard-ish plastic.  So 
> there's no room to move the little piggies around up there.  The next size up 
> would be way to long.   H, more investigation needed...
> 
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> You were supposed to click on the flickr linkety-link :-)
> 
> They are 44/10.5 as that's what I wear with regular Keen sandals.  But my 
> toes are pushed back in the front, so I would definitely need a 45/11 or 
> possibly a 46/11.5.  So these fit more like a 43/10 narrow.  Definitely 
> narrow too.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Earl Grey  wrote:
> NIce to know they run small, but what size are they (either nominal or
> real? :)
> 
> Do they run small because they are more narrow, or are they smaller in
> all directions?
> 
> Gernot
> 
> 
> On Feb 19, 9:06 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > I just purchased these on ebay, and they run a size (maybe two) smaller than
> > the regular Keen sandals.  I can't return them, so anyone interested?  I
> > really like the color on them, kind of a brownish/olive color.  Better than
> > the regular black IMHO.
> >
> > $90 which includes shipping.  $80 if someone local wants them on Sunday's
> > Riv ride.  Priority given to the local sale.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4369470246/in/photostream/
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > David
> > Redlands, CA
> >
> > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something
> > wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym."  ~Bill Nye,
> > scientist guy
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[RBW] Re: 59cm AHH fit questions

[Big Paulie]

As a 86.5 cm PBH person happily riding a 59 AHH with JBB 33.3's, all I
can say is brace yourself for a lot of fun!

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