Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[o1bigtenor via Python-list]

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 4:24 AM Peter J. Holzer via Python-list <
python-list@python.org> wrote:

> On 2024-08-03 15:17:11 -0500, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> > One of the tools I need to be able to use is esptools - -  well in the
> > devuan world you need to run that on either Devaun 3 or 5 - - - its just
> > not available on devuan 4.
>
> Couldn't you just upgrade to Devuan 5, then?
>

I like uptime and not measured in hours either so I'm presently not running
Devuan 5
or testing - - - although I used to. Just found that I didn't need the most
recent versions
of most of the tools I was using so find the stability (except for the
bloody browsers)
in stable version is to be appreciated.

>
>
> > Tried installing all the tools I need using downloads and .deb installs
> but
> > then I need to have python3.12 and that's also not part of Devuan4.
>
> It seems weird that something would work with the (presumably) older
> version of Python in Devuan 3 and the (presumably) newer version of
> Python in Devuan 5, but not with the version in Devuan 4.
>

Well - - - pstool was available in a version that worked in Devuan 3,
psytool is available in a version that works in Devuan 4 - - - beyond my
pay
grade as to why there isn't a version available for Devuan 4.

>
>
> > Not versed enough to set up a good venv (if that's possible) so that I
> > could work in that specific venv and have my cake (and get to eat it too
> > (grin!).
>
> You need to install Python first to create a venv. AFAIK there is no way
> to set up a venv first and then install Python into it.
>
> Does Devuan have a testing or unstable suite? You might be able to
> install a newer Python version from that. If not your best bet is to
> install Python from source.
>
>
First question answered earlier.
If I installed python 3.12 from source I would create a hung system for
myself.
(Been there and done that - - - got the T-shirt and it still stinks!)

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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[o1bigtenor via Python-list]

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wichmann via Python-list <
python-list@python.org> wrote:

> On 8/3/24 20:03, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
>
> > My question was, is and will be (and the doc absolutely doesn't cover it)
> > how do I install a different version in the venv so that python 3.11.x on
> > the
> > system is not discombobulated by the python 3.12.x in the venv.
> > That python 3.12 would let me run the tools needed.
> > (Its the how to install the next version of python that I just haven't
> been
> > able to find information on - - - and I would be looking for information
> > on how to install on a *nix.)
>
> To get a different Python "in" the venv, you use the version you want in
> the construction of the venv. For example:
>
>
> $ python3.13 -m venv new_venv
> $ new_venv/bin/python --version
> Python 3.13.0b4
> $ source new_venv/bin/activate
>
>
 "https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/ PEP 668, which prevents pip from
interacting with the OS installed python. This change has been done in red
hat and other distros too . . . "

similarly your first command produces and error code for the same reason.

Sorry - - - not my policy - - -

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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[Mats Wichmann via Python-list]

On 8/5/24 06:48, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wichmann via Python-list <
python-list@python.org> wrote:


On 8/3/24 20:03, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:


My question was, is and will be (and the doc absolutely doesn't cover it)
how do I install a different version in the venv so that python 3.11.x on
the
system is not discombobulated by the python 3.12.x in the venv.
That python 3.12 would let me run the tools needed.
(Its the how to install the next version of python that I just haven't

been

able to find information on - - - and I would be looking for information
on how to install on a *nix.)


To get a different Python "in" the venv, you use the version you want in
the construction of the venv. For example:


$ python3.13 -m venv new_venv
$ new_venv/bin/python --version
Python 3.13.0b4
$ source new_venv/bin/activate



  "https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/ PEP 668, which prevents pip from
interacting with the OS installed python. This change has been done in red
hat and other distros too . . . "

similarly your first command produces and error code for the same reason.

Sorry - - - not my policy - - -


What? Yes, the *system* pip should have some restrictions, if it's a 
system mainly managed by a package manager.


Setting up a venv is the *expected* approach to such situations, and 
creating one doesn't cause any problems. You end up with a pip in the 
activated venv that's going to install to a different path (the one in 
the venv), and will not be marked as externally managed, as the package 
manager has no control over that path.


That's the whole point.  What error are you getting?  The venv module is 
not the pip module so restrictions on the system pip have nothing to do 
with it.




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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[o1bigtenor via Python-list]

Matt - if you would rather that you were not included in the address list -
-
please advise.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann  wrote:

> On 8/5/24 06:48, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wichmann via Python-list <
> > python-list@python.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/3/24 20:03, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> >>
> >>> My question was, is and will be (and the doc absolutely doesn't cover
> it)
> >>> how do I install a different version in the venv so that python 3.11.x
> on
> >>> the
> >>> system is not discombobulated by the python 3.12.x in the venv.
> >>> That python 3.12 would let me run the tools needed.
> >>> (Its the how to install the next version of python that I just haven't
> >> been
> >>> able to find information on - - - and I would be looking for
> information
> >>> on how to install on a *nix.)
> >>
> >> To get a different Python "in" the venv, you use the version you want in
> >> the construction of the venv. For example:
> >>
> >>
> >> $ python3.13 -m venv new_venv
> >> $ new_venv/bin/python --version
> >> Python 3.13.0b4
> >> $ source new_venv/bin/activate
> >>
> >>
> >   "https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/ PEP 668, which prevents pip from
> > interacting with the OS installed python. This change has been done in
> red
> > hat and other distros too . . . "
> >
> > similarly your first command produces and error code for the same reason.
> >
> > Sorry - - - not my policy - - -
>
> What? Yes, the *system* pip should have some restrictions, if it's a
> system mainly managed by a package manager.
>
> Setting up a venv is the *expected* approach to such situations, and
> creating one doesn't cause any problems. You end up with a pip in the
> activated venv that's going to install to a different path (the one in
> the venv), and will not be marked as externally managed, as the package
> manager has no control over that path.
>
> That's the whole point.  What error are you getting?  The venv module is
> not the pip module so restrictions on the system pip have nothing to do
> with it.
>
> set up pyenv
activated a venv
trying to install python3.12 into it

1. download of python3.12 (blahblahblahetc).deb will not install
2. download of python3.12.tar.xz similarly will not install

(venv2) memyself@devuanbigbox:~$ pip install
/home/memyself/Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz
Processing ./Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz
ERROR: file:///home/memyself/Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz does not appear
to be a Python project: neither 'setup.py' nor 'pyproject.toml' found.

seems that I need a different version (installable as it were) of
python3.12
or my approach is all wrong!

Please advise

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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[Bill Deegan via Python-list]

Your approach is wrong.
You don't build python from source using pip.

You don't install new versions of python into a venv either.

Have you read the following?
https://docs.micropython.org/en/latest/esp8266/tutorial/intro.html

That seems to have instructions for what you want to do..

-Bill



On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 1:41 PM o1bigtenor via Python-list <
python-list@python.org> wrote:

> Matt - if you would rather that you were not included in the address list -
> -
> please advise.
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann  wrote:
>
> > On 8/5/24 06:48, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wichmann via Python-list <
> > > python-list@python.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 8/3/24 20:03, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> My question was, is and will be (and the doc absolutely doesn't cover
> > it)
> > >>> how do I install a different version in the venv so that python
> 3.11.x
> > on
> > >>> the
> > >>> system is not discombobulated by the python 3.12.x in the venv.
> > >>> That python 3.12 would let me run the tools needed.
> > >>> (Its the how to install the next version of python that I just
> haven't
> > >> been
> > >>> able to find information on - - - and I would be looking for
> > information
> > >>> on how to install on a *nix.)
> > >>
> > >> To get a different Python "in" the venv, you use the version you want
> in
> > >> the construction of the venv. For example:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> $ python3.13 -m venv new_venv
> > >> $ new_venv/bin/python --version
> > >> Python 3.13.0b4
> > >> $ source new_venv/bin/activate
> > >>
> > >>
> > >   "https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/ PEP 668, which prevents pip from
> > > interacting with the OS installed python. This change has been done in
> > red
> > > hat and other distros too . . . "
> > >
> > > similarly your first command produces and error code for the same
> reason.
> > >
> > > Sorry - - - not my policy - - -
> >
> > What? Yes, the *system* pip should have some restrictions, if it's a
> > system mainly managed by a package manager.
> >
> > Setting up a venv is the *expected* approach to such situations, and
> > creating one doesn't cause any problems. You end up with a pip in the
> > activated venv that's going to install to a different path (the one in
> > the venv), and will not be marked as externally managed, as the package
> > manager has no control over that path.
> >
> > That's the whole point.  What error are you getting?  The venv module is
> > not the pip module so restrictions on the system pip have nothing to do
> > with it.
> >
> > set up pyenv
> activated a venv
> trying to install python3.12 into it
>
> 1. download of python3.12 (blahblahblahetc).deb will not install
> 2. download of python3.12.tar.xz similarly will not install
>
> (venv2) memyself@devuanbigbox:~$ pip install
> /home/memyself/Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz
> Processing ./Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz
> ERROR: file:///home/memyself/Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz does not appear
> to be a Python project: neither 'setup.py' nor 'pyproject.toml' found.
>
> seems that I need a different version (installable as it were) of
> python3.12
> or my approach is all wrong!
>
> Please advise
>
> TIA
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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[Mats Wichmann via Python-list]

On 8/5/24 14:39, o1bigtenor wrote:
Matt - if you would rather that you were not included in the address 
list - -

please advise.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann > wrote:


On 8/5/24 06:48, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
 > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wichmann via Python-list <
 > python-list@python.org > wrote:
 >
 >> On 8/3/24 20:03, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
 >>
 >>> My question was, is and will be (and the doc absolutely doesn't
cover it)
 >>> how do I install a different version in the venv so that python
3.11.x on
 >>> the
 >>> system is not discombobulated by the python 3.12.x in the venv.
 >>> That python 3.12 would let me run the tools needed.
 >>> (Its the how to install the next version of python that I just
haven't
 >> been
 >>> able to find information on - - - and I would be looking for
information
 >>> on how to install on a *nix.)
 >>
 >> To get a different Python "in" the venv, you use the version you
want in
 >> the construction of the venv. For example:
 >>
 >>
 >> $ python3.13 -m venv new_venv
 >> $ new_venv/bin/python --version
 >> Python 3.13.0b4
 >> $ source new_venv/bin/activate
 >>
 >>
 >   "https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/
 PEP 668, which prevents pip from
 > interacting with the OS installed python. This change has been
done in red
 > hat and other distros too . . . "
 >
 > similarly your first command produces and error code for the same
reason.
 >
 > Sorry - - - not my policy - - -

What? Yes, the *system* pip should have some restrictions, if it's a
system mainly managed by a package manager.

Setting up a venv is the *expected* approach to such situations, and
creating one doesn't cause any problems. You end up with a pip in the
activated venv that's going to install to a different path (the one in
the venv), and will not be marked as externally managed, as the package
manager has no control over that path.

That's the whole point.  What error are you getting?  The venv
module is
not the pip module so restrictions on the system pip have nothing to do
with it.

set up pyenv
activated a venv
trying to install python3.12 into it

1. download of python3.12 (blahblahblahetc).deb will not install
2. download of python3.12.tar.xz similarly will not install

(venv2) memyself@devuanbigbox:~$ pip install 
/home/memyself/Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz

Processing ./Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz
ERROR: file:///home/memyself/Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz does not 
appear to be a Python project: neither 'setup.py' nor 'pyproject.toml' 
found.


seems that I need a different version (installable as it were) of 
python3.12

or my approach is all wrong!



you can't install Python "into" a venv.

you use a version of Python as the base when *creating* a venv, the venv 
will use the same binary as the base python (symlinks if possible, as in 
the Linux case), but with different paths.


Since you've already got pyenv, use it to build the version you want to 
use - I think you said there wasn't a deb for 3.12 in your distro? 
That's something like


pyenv install 3.12.4

that will use the build recipe it has... and hopefully work.  Distro 
Pythons sometimes have some strange setups that are hard to reproduce. 
Pyenv knows how to build micropython, too, should it ever come to that.


If you indeed found a deb for the right Python, use apt to install it, 
and then use *that* Python to create your venv.


If you have the pyenv-virtualenv plugin, you can ask it to make the 
virtualenv for you, if pyenv built the Python





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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[o1bigtenor via Python-list]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:55 PM Bill Deegan 
wrote:

> Your approach is wrong.
> You don't build python from source using pip.
>
> You don't install new versions of python into a venv either.
>
> Have you read the following?
> https://docs.micropython.org/en/latest/esp8266/tutorial/intro.html
>
> That seems to have instructions for what you want to do..
>

See item 1.4 - - - - that's where I'm at (and that's where the problems
are hidden at as well!)

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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[o1bigtenor via Python-list]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:56 PM Mats Wichmann  wrote:

>
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 8:51 AM Mats Wichmann  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 8/5/24 06:48, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> >  > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 AM Mats Wichmann via Python-list <
> >  > python-list@python.org > wrote:
> >  >
> >  >> On 8/3/24 20:03, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >>> My question was, is and will be (and the doc absolutely doesn't
> > cover it)
> >  >>> how do I install a different version in the venv so that python
> > 3.11.x on
> >  >>> the
> >  >>> system is not discombobulated by the python 3.12.x in the venv.
> >  >>> That python 3.12 would let me run the tools needed.
> >  >>> (Its the how to install the next version of python that I just
> > haven't
> >  >> been
> >  >>> able to find information on - - - and I would be looking for
> > information
> >  >>> on how to install on a *nix.)
> >  >>
> >  >> To get a different Python "in" the venv, you use the version you
> > want in
> >  >> the construction of the venv. For example:
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> $ python3.13 -m venv new_venv
> >  >> $ new_venv/bin/python --version
> >  >> Python 3.13.0b4
> >  >> $ source new_venv/bin/activate
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >   "https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/
> >  PEP 668, which prevents pip from
> >  > interacting with the OS installed python. This change has been
> > done in red
> >  > hat and other distros too . . . "
> >  >
> >  > similarly your first command produces and error code for the same
> > reason.
> >  >
> >  > Sorry - - - not my policy - - -
> >
> > What? Yes, the *system* pip should have some restrictions, if it's a
> > system mainly managed by a package manager.
> >
> > Setting up a venv is the *expected* approach to such situations, and
> > creating one doesn't cause any problems. You end up with a pip in the
> > activated venv that's going to install to a different path (the one
> in
> > the venv), and will not be marked as externally managed, as the
> package
> > manager has no control over that path.
> >
> > That's the whole point.  What error are you getting?  The venv
> > module is
> > not the pip module so restrictions on the system pip have nothing to
> do
> > with it.
> >
> > set up pyenv
> > activated a venv
> > trying to install python3.12 into it
> >
> > 1. download of python3.12 (blahblahblahetc).deb will not install
> > 2. download of python3.12.tar.xz similarly will not install
> >
> > (venv2) memyself@devuanbigbox:~$ pip install
> > /home/memyself/Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz
> > Processing ./Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz
> > ERROR: file:///home/memyself/Downloads/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz does not
> > appear to be a Python project: neither 'setup.py' nor 'pyproject.toml'
> > found.
> >
> > seems that I need a different version (installable as it were) of
> > python3.12
> > or my approach is all wrong!
>
>
> you can't install Python "into" a venv.
>
> you use a version of Python as the base when *creating* a venv, the venv
> will use the same binary as the base python (symlinks if possible, as in
> the Linux case), but with different paths.
>
> Since you've already got pyenv, use it to build the version you want to
> use - I think you said there wasn't a deb for 3.12 in your distro?
>

correct


> That's something like
>
> pyenv install 3.12.4
>

$ pyenv install 3.12.4
bash: pyenv: command not found


>
> that will use the build recipe it has... and hopefully work.  Distro
> Pythons sometimes have some strange setups that are hard to reproduce.
> Pyenv knows how to build micropython, too, should it ever come to that.
>
> If you indeed found a deb for the right Python, use apt to install it,
> and then use *that* Python to create your venv.
>
> If you have the pyenv-virtualenv plugin, you can ask it to make the
> virtualenv for you, if pyenv built the Python
>
>
pyenv is not a 'global' package

there is a mountain of /root/.pyenv  files though
there is also quite a number of /root/.pyenv/plugins/pyenv-virtualenv/
files

when looking in the /root/.pyenv files I can find options for all the older
version of python
but none for anything newer than what is on my system

is there something else to install to achieve this 'version freedom' that
pyenv promises?

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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[Mats Wichmann via Python-list]

On 8/5/24 15:17, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:


That's something like

pyenv install 3.12.4



$ pyenv install 3.12.4
bash: pyenv: command not found




pyenv is not a 'global' package

there is a mountain of /root/.pyenv  files though
there is also quite a number of /root/.pyenv/plugins/pyenv-virtualenv/
files

when looking in the /root/.pyenv files I can find options for all the older
version of python
but none for anything newer than what is on my system

is there something else to install to achieve this 'version freedom' that
pyenv promises?


It has to go somewhere your shell can find it.  Mine is a shell 
function, but it was set up so many years ago I don't remember details. 
It's presumably the pyenv installation instructions...




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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[Bill Deegan via Python-list]

Did Mats suggestion of:
python3.13 -m venv new_venv
$ new_venv/bin/python --version
Python 3.13.0b4
$ source new_venv/bin/activate

Not work?
That should work on any system, with any system installl python.
It's not trying to modify the system installed python in anyway...

If not, please paste the error output you're getting.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:13 PM Mats Wichmann via Python-list <
python-list@python.org> wrote:

> On 8/5/24 15:17, o1bigtenor via Python-list wrote:
>
> >> That's something like
> >>
> >> pyenv install 3.12.4
> >>
> >
> > $ pyenv install 3.12.4
> > bash: pyenv: command not found
> >
>
> > pyenv is not a 'global' package
> >
> > there is a mountain of /root/.pyenv  files though
> > there is also quite a number of /root/.pyenv/plugins/pyenv-virtualenv/
> > files
> >
> > when looking in the /root/.pyenv files I can find options for all the
> older
> > version of python
> > but none for anything newer than what is on my system
> >
> > is there something else to install to achieve this 'version freedom' that
> > pyenv promises?
>
> It has to go somewhere your shell can find it.  Mine is a shell
> function, but it was set up so many years ago I don't remember details.
> It's presumably the pyenv installation instructions...
>
>
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python C-api and thread

[aotto1968 via Python-list]

hi,

Is it possible to run two completely independent Python interpreters in one 
process, each using a thread?

By independent, I mean that no data is shared between the interpreters and thus the C API can be used without any other 
"lock/GIL" etc.


mfg
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Re: python C-api and thread

[Grant Edwards via Python-list]

On 2024-08-05, aotto1968 via Python-list  wrote:

> Is it possible to run two completely independent Python interpreters
> in one process, each using a thread?
>
> By independent, I mean that no data is shared between the
> interpreters and thus the C API can be used without any other
> "lock/GIL" etc.

No, not using any OS I've ever seen. The usual definition of "threads"
is that they share data, and the definition of "processes" is that
processes don't share data.

How exactly does what you're trying to do differ from runnig two
Python interpreters in two processes?

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Re: python C-api and thread

[Chris Angelico via Python-list]

On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 at 08:48, aotto1968 via Python-list
 wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> Is it possible to run two completely independent Python interpreters in one 
> process, each using a thread?
>
> By independent, I mean that no data is shared between the interpreters and 
> thus the C API can be used without any other
> "lock/GIL" etc.
>

You're probably thinking of subinterpreters:

https://peps.python.org/pep-0734/

ChrisA
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Re: Help needed - - running into issues with python and its tools

[Bill Deegan via Python-list]

why reply to me instead of to the list?
It's generally considered bad form to do so.


Do you have any python 3 installed on your system?
Or python 2.7?
If not, can you install such via system package?

-Bill



On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 6:06 PM o1bigtenor  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 5:28 PM Bill Deegan via Python-list <
> python-list@python.org> wrote:
>
>> Did Mats suggestion of:
>> python3.13 -m venv new_venv
>> $ new_venv/bin/python --version
>> Python 3.13.0b4
>> $ source new_venv/bin/activate
>>
>> Not work?
>> That should work on any system, with any system installl python.
>> It's not trying to modify the system installed python in anyway...
>>
>> If not, please paste the error output you're getting.
>>
>
>  # python3.13 -m venv new_venv
> -bash: python3.13: command not found
>
> $ python3.13 -m venv new_venv
> bash: python3.13: command not found
>
> There you have it - - - the first one run as superuser and the second as
> usr.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
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Issue bootstrapping Python - troubleshooting steps?

[Piper McCorkle via Python-list]

Hi!

I'm working on a Linux From Scratch sort of system, and part of that is 
bootstrapping Python. I'm running into an error message in the compilation 
though - could anyone help me with next steps on troubleshooting the error?

Error:

> ./_bootstrap_python /tmp/sources/Python-3.12.4/Programs/_freeze_module.py abc 
> /tmp/sources/Python-3.12.4/Lib/abc.py Python/frozen_modules/abc.h
> Fatal Python error: init_import_site: Failed to import the site module
> Python runtime state: initialized
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/tmp/sources/Python-3.12.4/Lib/site.py", line 80, in 
> PREFIXES = [sys.prefix, sys.exec_prefix]
> ^^
> AttributeError: module 'sys' has no attribute 'prefix'
> make[2]: *** [Makefile:1329: Python/frozen_modules/abc.h] Error 1

I'm essentially trying to build Python with the following commands:
$ cd /tmp/build/Python
$ /tmp/sources/Python-3.12.4/configure --enable-shared --with-system-expat 
--enable-optimizations --prefix=
$ make
$ make install

I'm building Python 3.12.4.
$ sha256sum sources/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz
f6d419a6d8743ab26700801b4908d26d97e8b986e14f95de31b32de2b0e79554  
sources/Python-3.12.4.tar.xz

I've attached a complete build log. If you need any more information in order 
to help me, please feel free to ask! I'd appreciate if you can CC me on any 
replies, so that they end up in my inbox instead of in the mailing list digest.

Piper McCorkle (https://piperswe.me)
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