Re: Yes..., I can destroy your system!
On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:58:41 -0800 "zhiren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Really interesting! Let me prove it, so you can see it for yourself: Sorry. Your trick requires that: 1. I log in as root and interact with various apps that receive things from outside the machine. I don't. 2. I run programs as root that are susceptible to operating on such malicious code. I don't. Not that nobody does that. But they've been warned enough if they've heard twice not to do it. If being told doesn't do the trick, this method is just the lesson they need before something seriously bad happens. This just shows why I'm in no big hurry to see ordinary Win*DOH*s users rushing in and using linux without some education first. They need to start unlearning the pavlovian habit of running whatever they happen across, and to make sure to protect things by not using $SUPERUSER full time. But, anyone desiring to learn can use things like this as a good tool. Having something run "chmod -R a+wrx /" as root is another useful lesson for anyone wishing to see what that brings. Let's just say, it may as well be "rm -rf /" for the damage it does. -- Death is just Nature's way of saying, "Hey! You're not alive anymore!" -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 09:36:30 -0500 John Lowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You don't know me, Mr. Lowell, and I don't know you. Nor will we ever get to know each other. I've just introduced you to my "delete at server" filter, a special status reserved for the very elite asswipes among us. Soon you'll be replying only to your own posts, I suspect. It appears you are slowly pushing everyone to institute similar policies wrt their own mail. HAND -- There's no place like ~ -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: install5 report
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 23:43:21 +1200 "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No 5 > no format, auto desktop no format. > had to click for KDE, changed mouse to wheel ps/2. > > still the same hassle of garbage and banl screens,. ended up with > gmnome, no mouse, ctl-alt-bspace shutdown. > > woof Is there an interpreter in the house? If you want to try again: 1. Put some context. Is this a reply or continuation of something? If so, where is whatever it is you're replying to or carrying on with? If you don't have it handy, it might help to include a little explanation for those of us that can't/don't watch the mailing list closely. 2. Did you have some sort of problem? if so, what was it and what made you think doing what you did might work? I'm not saying what you did is right or wrong. But I have no idea why you did it. I'm not altogether sure I understand what you did for that matter. 3. Write sentences. What garbage are you talking about? I don't know what you want, so I have no idea if I can understand what "banl" means. Maybe that's the garbage you mention, but I haven't a clue. 4. I gather no mouse. OK, if so, how did you click on something to change it so that you found out you didn't have it? It reads as though you had a mouse, changed it and lost the mouse. If that isn't what happened, I'm flumoxed. Assuming it is correct, why did you change a functional mouse to something that didn't work? 5. I have no idea how you could be in KDE, click something to change a mouse, then end up in Gnome. That's the way it seems to read. Again, I sure can't be certain because I have trouble understanding any of it. HTH HAND -- KLEZ: An original Microsoft webcrawler. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: RPM mess
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:29:50 -0500 "Marcio Alejandro Regalado M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there > > I have some RPM packages installed in my linyx box that are not being > recognized by the package manager (the program similar to gnoRPM) is > there any way to fix this problem ??? > > i.e. I have AbiWord installed an the package manager says I do not, I > try to un-install AbiWord and the system says I haven't AbiWord > installed, I try to install a new version of AbiWord and the system > says AbiWord is already there and that some RPMs conflict with other > older files. > > can anybody help me with this issue??? I'd say you either have abiword and you want it install AbiWord, vice versa, or you have AbiSuite installed. Case makes all of the difference in the world. "A" is not the same as "a" where linux is concerned. Then there's another problem. One person creates the package as AbiWord. Another decides to call it AbiSuite. They're the same thing, but RPM doesn't see them as the same. However, when you try to install new or update one from the other, they look like different packages because of how they're named, and they'll show conflicts because they have the same files. The best thing to do is to uninstall what you have. Open a term as root and rpm -e AbiWord rpm -e abiword rpm -e AbiSuite rpm -e abisuite (I've not seen that last one, but I wouldn't be surprised.) That should get rid of it no matter which one is installed. Another way (and actually simpler) would be something like this: bash-2.05b$ which abiword /usr/bin/abiword bash-2.05b$ rpm -qf /usr/bin/abiword abiword-1.0.2-6 The first line (with 'which' in it) locates where the binary is and displays the second line. The third line queries which rpm the file belongs to, which produces the last line. -- Conformist revolution.
Re: local-printer-connection lost ...
On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:12:43 +0100 hans schneidhofer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > got a little bad problem with my printer : after a reboot I have > forgot to switch on my local-connected printer and kudzu tells me that > I didn't have a local printer anymore. But I h've NOT read it and was > hitting the return-key a liitle too fast, so kudzu deleted my printer > - it's really my own bad failure - but now I cannot get it reinstalled > - the error I get is as follows : > Printer: LOCAL@mozart > Queue: 1 printable job > Server: pid 1573 active > Unspooler: pid 1574 active > Status: waiting for subserver to exit at 20:05:45.329 > Rank Owner/ID Class Job Files Size > Time > stalled(568sec) root@mozart+572 A 572 /usr/share/cups/data 14547 > > 19:56:40 > error root@mozart+371 A 371 ERROR: aborting operations > > have tried a "switch" with the Printer System Switcher but no success. > can anyone give me some hints, what I can do now ? > > thanks one more time for helping > bye hans Either reboot with the printer turned on, or rerun kudzu at the commandline as root with the printer turned on. You can also run redhat-config-printer as root to add it back in. You may have to delete the print job before it will continue (man lprm). For similar reasons, I have kudzu turned off and run it manually when warranted. -- Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. You choose.
Re: USB Zip 100
On 04 Nov 2002 10:25:45 +0930 James McArthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Just started using a USB 100M Zip drive .. it worked with RH8 > "straight out of the box". One question though; to get to the disk I > used, > > mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip > > Why did it pick sda4? Is this common across all USB Zip Linux > installs?(ie, could it have chosen sda0 instead?) Because you're using a winders ZIP. For whatever reason that was never published to my knowledge, they chose 4 to be the one and only partition on windos ZIP disks. In linux you can choose whatever partition number(s) you desire (except 0). You can even partition it into extended partitions and use those. Why anyone would is beyond me, but the capability is there. The 0 isn't allowed as a partition. Not for any partition on any device. A device itself can have it in the name (scd0 or fd0 for example). -- Practice random acts of intelligence and senseless acts of self-control.
Re: CDROM / fstab question
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:28:16 -0700 "Daniel WELLS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After I installed RH 8 I was very impressed. Unfortunately, things > have not stayed rosy. Sound was the first thing to stop working, now > whenever I reboot the computer I have to jump through all sorts of > hoops to be able to mount a CD. > > With not modification the message I get is something like: > > "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or > too many mounted filesystems (could this be the IDE device where you > in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)" > > This usually involves editing the" fstab" file (which get overwritten > on reboot) from: > > /dev/cdrom/mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0 > > to > > /dev/cdrom/mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,user,kudzu,ro0 0 > > I then have to deal with the link to the device. On checking I found > that "/dev/cdrom" was pointing to "/dev/hdc". This is reset each time > I reboot so I have to delete the old link and created a new link > "dev/cdrom" pointing to "/dev/scd0". > > I can then mount the CD ROM. What am I missing? Are there some > configuration settings that need to be changed? > > Any help in pointing me in the right direction will be deeply > appreciated. > > Thanks! As root, run ntsysv (or learn how to use chkconfig, or run setup and set system services from there [basically, it runs ntsysv]) and turn kudzu off. Set everything in fstab and make sure the symlink is correct, or ignore the symlink and make sure fstab points to the actual device instead of the symlink (i.e. points to /dev/scd0, not /dev/cdrom). It will now survive a reboot. You could even take the "kudzu" part out of the fstab entry. But kudzu sometimes has a mind of its own and will take it over anyway, or it will add another entry with /dev/cdrom as the target. -- Well, what was the ham cured OF? -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Gigabyte Motherboards
On 14 Nov 2002 20:06:16 -0500 "Robert L. Cochran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there anyone out there using the Gigabyte GA-8IHXP2 motherboard? If > so, what is your experience...what do you think of this motherboard? > Does anyone have opinions to offer about Gigabyte boards in general? > > Thanks > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA I don't have that model. I use a GA-7ZXE and it works flawlessly in 8.0. I wasn't able to get sound to work in 7.3 or any of the 3 betas for 8.0, but now it works like a champ. And sound was the only problem I ever had with it. Since I don't know that model, I can't comment. I'd check the specs on the board itself and see if everything is supported. One issue I had when sound didn't work on mine is that the same sound chipset worked on some other mobos, just not on mine (and was even specified as such in a couple of places). You may find something similar, so do your homework. -- Earth first! We'll strip-mine the other planets later. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Gigabyte Motherboards
On 18 Nov 2002 19:30:23 -0500 "Robert L. Cochran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have the new motherboard now, and am starting to install it. I'm > starting to realize slowly that one issue is that many of the drivers > for the motherboard need Microsoft Windows to install properly. > > Bob Cochran > Greenbelt, Maryland, USA Yeah. All of the drivers except the ones that offer the same functionality in linux and come with it as well. Which is mostly all of them. -- Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Wallpaper Changer
On 22 Nov 2002 12:26:54 -0500 "Randolph L. Chrismon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is anyone aware of a program that will automatically change the > Bluecurve/Gnome wallpaper on some regular schedule? I've tried CHBG > but it seems unable to actaully change the wallpaper. Interestingly, > the RH 8.0 documentation says that gqview is able to set the wallpaper > using ctrl-w or a menu option. That, however, does not work either. In > any event, I'm looking for an application that will let me select > either a directory or multiple files then randomly set one of those > files as the desktop background on some schedule. I have chbg allowing me to change backgrounds in either KDE or gnome (well, I did in Gnome until the panel stopped working; now only in KDE). It was giving me problems as well. I set the backgrounds to None in the settings for each and it allowed chbg to work. -- Secret hacker rule #11: hackers read manuals. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Wallpaper Changer
On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 21:22:48 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Randolph "Randy" L. Chrismon > > > On Sat, 2002-11-23 at 01:48, ABrady wrote: > > > On 22 Nov 2002 12:26:54 -0500 > > > "Randolph L. Chrismon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Is anyone aware of a program that will automatically change the > > > > Bluecurve/Gnome wallpaper on some regular schedule? I've tried > > > > CHBG > > > > > > I have chbg allowing me to change backgrounds in either KDE or > > > gnome(well, I did in Gnome until the panel stopped working; now > > > only in > KDE). > > > It was giving me problems as well. I set the backgrounds to None > > > in > the > > > settings for each and it allowed chbg to work. > > > > > > -- > > > Secret hacker rule #11: hackers read manuals. > > -- > > Regards, > > > > Steve Sykes > > I'm sorry, I've missed something. I'm seeing a quoted message with > your signature attached but no additional information. Do you know of > something that would help? Obviously, the lack of changing wallpaper > is not a life-threatening issue. Still, it's something I'd like to > have. In my case, I used chbg, as I stated. My info is all there. I didn't send anything additional excepting what I stated before. But, the following mentions something I did send, so I decided to go ahead and reply. > As for the secret hacker's rule, I work for a living. I don't have > time, patience, or inclination to read hundreds of pages of poorly > written documentation with no boolean search capability just to find > the one tidbit that might relate to the problem I'm having. Sorry; > it's my pet peeve. Where I work, the coding is not complete until the > documentation is (b-trieve) indexed. Don't take it personally. It' random. It's only a signature that holds no significance whatsoever. It wasn't directed at you or anyone else. It gets added at random out of a list of such things. Just like the one at the end of this post (which I haven't taken the time to read yet). Take a look again at what I've written. I got chbg on freshmeat and compiled it. I also had to set the backgrounds in KDE and Gnome to "None" or they controlled the process and wouldn't let chbg do its thing. Now, you're welcome to take this personally. Or not. Granted, it may be a bit intimidating to have to go through tons of documents to find answers. But many, including me, won't just hand you the answers you seek without first wanting you to show that you're serious about using linux. Something as simple as this will usually get something. Things that are more involved may not. Generally all that some like me ask is that you do some of the work. We (I) won't just hand you the answers outright or you'll never learn anything. If not learning anything is what you want, there are platforms suited to those purposes. Linux isn't one of them. However, if you show an inclination toward trying to figure out how to do things on your own, and you find yourself stumped or unable to locate suitable documentation, we'll (I'll) bend over backward to help. Lack of time is a suitable excuse. But it won't always work, especially if it appears to be overused. I don't know what you do for a living. But I have a full time job, have a 4-year-old while I'm at the ripe old age of 50, and have numerous responsibilities in both my personal and professional lives. I still find time in all of that to seek answers to problems and to learn. If I didn't or couldn't, I'd use something other than linux. -- Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. You choose. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Wallpaper Changer
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 11:26:38 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 01:40:11 -0600, ABrady said: > > > > > > Secret hacker rule #11: hackers read manuals. > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Steve Sykes > > > > As for the secret hacker's rule, I work for a living. I don't have > > > time, patience, or inclination to read hundreds of pages of poorly > > > written documentation with no boolean search capability just to > > > find the one tidbit that might relate to the problem I'm having. > > > Sorry; it's my pet peeve. Where I work, the coding is not complete > > > until the documentation is (b-trieve) indexed. > > > Granted, it may be a bit intimidating to have to go through tons of > > documents to find answers. But many, including me, won't just hand > > you the answers you seek without first wanting you to show that > > you're serious about using Linux. Something as simple as this will > > usually get something. Things that are more involved may not. > > > > Generally all that some like me ask is that you do some of the work. > > We(I) won't just hand you the answers outright or you'll never learn > > anything. If not learning anything is what you want, there are > > platforms suited to those purposes. Linux isn't one of them. > > > > However, if you show an inclination toward trying to figure out how > > to do things on your own, and you find yourself stumped or unable to > > locate suitable documentation, we'll (I'll) bend over backward to > > help. > > > > Lack of time is a suitable excuse. But it won't always work, > > especially if it appears to be overused. > > > > Therapy is expensive, popping bubble wrap is cheap. You choose. > > Thank you for the thoughts and the earlier information. > > My response really was directed to Mr. Sykes. His message appears to > add nothing but his signature to your message. I am, therefore, > perplexed. Did he mean to add something that would help? Was he > reiterating your message in an attempt to say "me too?" Or, was he > trying to suggest that it's all so simple and I should RTFM? > > For the most part, I agree with you. I wouldn't be a developer if I > didn't like to figure things out. My peeve isn't with you -- or those > like us -- who don't want to abet peoples' laziness. In my practice as > a developer and manager, I truly believe -- and insist -- that the > project is not finished until the documentation is finished... and the > documentation ain't finished until, at the very least, it is keyword > indexed. > > The Linux community frequently presents it's documentation as HTML > pages with a hyper-linked table of contents. There is no mechanism for > searching the entire set of html pages for the keywords that will lead > me to the answer I seek. This, in my opinion, is not acceptable > documentation. The man pages, because of their very narrow scope, are > no better. The list archives are a gold mine of information but also > suffer from extremely limited search capability. Help files, > generally, don't exist. This is the ONE area where MS has the > advantage of Linux. There have been a large number of alternatives presented for indexing/archiving the mailing lists over the past few years. Those have been things that were done by individuals in their spare time. They have been limited to a few select groups at a time, or they've been short-lived because of the time and resources needed for maintaining them. While the efforts of those doing the archiving have been helpful, the limitations make the situation completely unsatisfactory. There have been a lot of people come and go that have lobbied for Redhat to do a better job of making the archives searchable. The current situation is generally how things end: not very useful. The whole documentation situation has been a complaint for a number of years as well. It's better than it was, but it still has a long way to go before it reaches a good enough level to make it actually useful.The HoWTOs have come a long way. The problem is that average users end up writing them. They are commonly missing the time, the tools or the knowledge of methods to make the documents friendlier to end users. With the way things are structured, it's highly unlikely that great documentation will become the norm. Only someone willing to spend the time and money to fix things can solve it. For little or no return no less, I don't see that happening. The "help" systems are in a similar boat. There are a number of WMs,
Re: Wallpaper Changer
On 28 Nov 2002 22:44:28 -0500 Dan Clowater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well we can see the joys of email in this thread. Far too often > people say things that become misinterpreted. I definitely have > overreacted to email/messengers before - just because its so easy to > give/take the wrong impression! So let's not take this stuff too > personal, even when someone inevetibly takes a cheap shot at something > write - its a discussion list not a trial affidavid. =) SEW if you > wanna flame someone - email them directly - not wasting people's time > on the list. Please oh please for the love of cod! LOL > > ..Digressing all the way - I saw this thred and though gee I want > to get that running. I grabbed the rpm and installed it. I am running > the 2.4.18-18.8.0 kernel with Gnome 2.(whatever it is) ;) I have the > background with Nautalus set to none. Well the chbg is doing nuffin > but sitting there sleeping. Any thoughts on how to get this to run? > > Cheers, > DC > > The setup dialogue box opens up and I can fiddle away with settings. > Now I tried to start it and nothing. Alright. Once you add backgrounds there are some buttons you can push. One of those is "Hide Setup window and run with actual settings." That does what it says. Is that not working for you? Have you played with the various settings, etc? I had to set "Effects/Picture changing effect" and "Effects/Background shading effect" to None to get things working OK. Basically, once backgrounds are added and the settings are made, it should run fine. At last it's been doing that for me for a couple of years (or more) now. If you manage to get it working, you can avoid the popup window with "chbg -scenario ~/ &" in your .xsession or .xinitrc (depends on how you log in, and is a subject for another discussion). Substitute whatever name you give it when saving it for . In my case I called it chbg so I wouldn't get confused about the purpose later on. You should perhaps read the docs to tell you more about using it. It depends on who packaged it for where they're located (I package my own and have them in an odd place). Typing: rpm -ql chbg will give a list of everything in the RPM and show you where the docs are located. Not sure if it makes any difference, but I dumped nautilus before starting chbg up. I don't know if it ever interfered, but I had other problems with it and haven't kept in installed for a long time now. That may or may not keep it from working right. -- Sarcasm is just one of the many services we offer. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Starting MySQL and Apache at boot time
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:31:11 -0800 (PST) Ryan McDougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I just want to make sure if I have this correctly. To start these 2 up > at boot time I can just rename the script in /etc/rc.d/rc#.d/K##mysql > to S##mysql correct? If not please let me know how to do this... Oh > yeah I only have a CLI no X on this beast!! Oh yeah and which rc#.d > folder would I make the change in? > If there is a CLI config tool for this could someone please let me > know. > > TIA No! ln -s /etc/init.d/ /etc/rc?.d/S?? That would work (and be correct). So would using chkconfig (--help or manpage) or ntsysv (has a manpage, but it's so easily understood I'm not sure why). The K?? is supposed to be used to shut the process down when leaving a runlevel. -- Intel: where Quality is job number 0.9998782345! -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
Re: Problems with background jobs with linux
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 10:49:12 -0500 Margaret_Doll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a system running 2.4.18-18.8.0 RH > > A job started in the background dies when I log out.I want > users > to be able to dial into the system, start long jobs (jobs taking > several days to complete), and then be able to log out while the job > continues to run. > > On a system running 2.4.18-17.8.0, > > If a user starts and job in the background and then logs out, > no one > else can log into the system on the console until the job is complete. > > Is there a fix for these problems? man screen Once you start using it, you're gonna love it! For example, I ssh in from machine A to machine B. I run: screen top I CTRL-A D out, I log out of machine B. Now I go look at machine B directly, the one I just logged out of. I find 'top' is still running, as is the screen process. I can ssh back into the machine and rejoin, or I can rejoin it from the same account on machine B (I haven't actually tried that last, but since I went in as $USER I see no reason why the machine would differentiate if I log in as the same user locally and pick the session back up). All I have to do with this or any other process is at some point go pick it back up and end it properly to clean the session up. If I'm going to continually need a process or two there, I can just keep them open and join them or drop out as needed. The remote connection can stay closed except those times when I need to actually be connected, making things a bit more secure. This can be tested on the machine in front of you until you get comfortable with how it works. HTH HAND -- Earth first! We'll strip-mine the other planets later. -- Psyche-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
