Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

[Michael Fratoni]

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On Sunday 30 March 2003 02:03 am, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote:
> At 07:33 PM 3/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Saturday 29 March 2003 06:55 pm, Rodolfo J. Paiz wrote:
> > > At 04:05 PM 3/25/2003 -0900, you wrote:
> > > >After 12 months, up2date goes away if you don't use enterprise.
> > >
> > > Please provide evidence that this is true, as it does not match my
> > > reading of the available literature. A URL will suffice.
> >
> >http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/
> >
> >- From that page:
> >
> >Red Hat Linux -- Beginning with the 8.0 release, Red Hat will provide
> >errata maintenance for at least 12 months from the date of initial
> >release. At certain times, Red Hat may extend errata maintenance for
> >certain popular releases of the operating system. End of Life dates
> > for errata maintenance for currently supported products are listed
> > below:
>
> Ah, my friend. I trust your objectivity but again disagree with your
> reading.
>
> "Red Hat will provide errata maintenance for AT LEAST 12 months [...
> and] may extend errata maintenance for certain popular releases[.]"

Not my reading 
I just provided the link you were looking for. I should have included a 
disclaimer clarifying my opinion.

> Yes, up2date MAY go away for your RH release 12 months after it came
> out, but there is no certainty that it will do so. And, in general, I
> would expect 7.3 to receive support for longer just like 6.2 did. 8.0 I
> couldn't tell you... I guess it will depend on what comes in 9.

I don't disagree with you. I thought that posting Red Hat's actual policy 
statement would be a useful inclusion of fact in this thread. 

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RE: Mozilla 1.3 and Java j2sdk-1.4.1_02-fcs

[Pavel Rozenboim]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Vanecek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sat, March 29, 2003 5:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Mozilla 1.3 and Java j2sdk-1.4.1_02-fcs
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:34:08 -0500, Michael Fratoni wrote
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> > On Friday 28 March 2003 04:02 pm, Mike Vanecek wrote:
> > 
> > > Did not work for me. My guess is that I have 
> j2sdk-1.4.1_02-fcs from
> > > java.sun installed. However, the blackstone is for j2sdk-1.4.1-01.
> > > Installation details shown below. The java plugin shows 
> up in Mozilla,
> > > but if I link to something that uses java Mozilla hangs.
> > >
> > > Do you see anything I missed?
> > >
> > > I guess I either wait for a gcc 3.2 from sun or I rpm -e the sun
> > > version and install the blackstone version.
> > >
> > > Sun version of java installed:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# rpm -qa | grep -i j2
> > > j2sdk-1.4.1_02-fcs
> > 
> > Looks like the only real difference is the java version.
> > 
> > $ rpm -qa | grep -i j2
> > j2re-1.4.1-fcs
> 
> It appears that this is a critical difference. I find that 
> Blackstone works
> fine, but the Blackstone plugin does not work with either 
> 1.4.1_01 or 1.4.1_02
> from sun. I did not try to go back to 1.4.1 since you have it working.
> 
> > The only difference I see is that I didn't rename the plugin.
> 
> Should not make a difference if it shows up in the About 
> Plugin? The name
> should not cause a hang.
> 
> > Just to be sure, I tested a few applets in mozilla and they all 
> > worked fine. I poked around here:
> http://javaboutique.internet.com/stats/archive.html
> 
> The biggest difference is that you are using j2re1.4.1. I removed
> j2sdk1.4.1_02 and installed j2sdk1.4.1_01 from sun, copied 
> the plugin over,
> and Mozilla still hangs (even though it is visible at About 
> Plugins). I
> installed the Blackstone sdk1.4.1_01 and everything works as 
> advertised.
> Evidently something happened after _00 to _01 that makes a difference.
> 
> I was really surprised to find that the Blackstone plugin 
> would not work with
> the Sun sdk when both were version 1.4.1_01. I expected them 
> to be compatible.
> I am downloading the sun non-rpm version 1.4.1_01 sdk and 
> will do a quick
> compare (when I get a chance) to see if I can find where the 
> two builds
> differ. I would be so much easier if sun would just make a 
> gcc 3.2 version
> available...
> 
> I would like to have an rpm of the java sdk. I have been 
> doing this on my test
> machine. Mozilla 1.3 is really much better than 1.3a in terms 
> of speed. I
> guess I will need to do a rpm -e on the production machine 
> and install the
> Blackstone version. I wish someone would provide a rpm or 
> spec file so that
> the install could be recorded in the rpm database.
> 

Did you copy the plugin file to mozilla plugins dir? I think it is important
to create a symbolic link to a plugin and not to copy the file. Also do you
use a plugin from mozilla directory or netscape4 directory?

BTW, I believe it's blackdown.org not blackstone :)

Pavel.

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Re: Red Hat 9 -- April 7th -- Price & Compatibility?

[Marek]

Colburn wrote:
OK, RedHat will try to resolve the many flaws in RH8 with their new
release, RH9 on April 7th.
Any idea what they will charge retail for this?  

(I also paid for my RH8 release, though considering the hundreds of
wasted hours trying to get it to do what it promised to do I feel as
though I am due a refund and more.  Sigh.)
Since I have a ton of stuff on the hard disk with RH8 I am thinking it
may be wise to purchase a second hdd and to do a clean load.  With all
of the patches and problems I really don't trust a load of RH9 on top of
RH8 to be clean.
Is that a reasonable fear?

doc



Flaws ? and many ? i don't have *any* so far since last October.

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Re: WineX

[Keith Winston]

Joe Klemmer wrote:
On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 19:40, Keith Winston wrote:


The way I've been updating my servers lately is with a nice program 
called yum.  Check it out here:

http://www.linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/


	Hey, that's Seth's util.  I have also found current to be a good
alternative. 

I haven't tried current yet because yum has been working so well.  I 
monitor the yum list and Seth seems to fix bugs within a day or two of 
them being reported.  Lots of folks from the fermilab involved with that 
project, too.

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Re: RH 9.0 - changelog?

[Keith Winston]

Gordon Messmer wrote:
The Pine license doesn't allow anyone to distribute modified packages, 
which means that Red Hat can't publish a security update until UW does. 
 That's not an acceptable, or Free, license.
BTW, while I don't know of a GPL pine clone, there is a very fine GPL 
pico clone called nano:

http://www.nano-editor.org/

I've been using it since before version 1.0 and it has a few features 
that pico doesn't.

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Re: About RH9 "usefulness"

[Arjan van de Ven]

On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 04:45, M. Fioretti wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 00:28:52 at 12:28:52AM -0800, Eric Burke ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > 
> > The bottom line is for a corporate desktop, RH no
> > longer serves the purpose. Once compatibility is broken by adding
> > something no one else is doing, all else is out the window. Sorry, but
> > the whole NPTL gains nothing...no speed...nothing.No other Linux distro
> > is using it or planning on it. That in itself breaks compatibility and
> > the products usefulness.

how about "it provides Posix compliant, non-broken threading" for the
first time in linux history


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Re: About RH9 "usefulness"

[Michael Fratoni]

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On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:13 am, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 00:28:52 at 12:28:52AM -0800, Eric Burke wrote:
> > > The bottom line is for a corporate desktop, RH no
> > > longer serves the purpose. Once compatibility is broken by adding
> > > something no one else is doing, all else is out the window. Sorry,
> > > but the whole NPTL gains nothing...no speed...nothing.No other
> > > Linux distro is using it or planning on it. That in itself breaks
> > > compatibility and the products usefulness.
>
> how about "it provides Posix compliant, non-broken threading" for the
> first time in linux history

Oh, please!
Let's not start adding fact and rational argument to this thread now. ;)

It's much more fun to read the FUD. After all, there is no 8.1 because Red 
Hat jumped the gun and went right to Red Hat Linux 9. That changes 
everything, Chicken Little. If they had just called it Red Hat Linux 8.1, 
it would have prevented the sky from falling.

The product that would have been 8.1 would have been just perfect! This 
trash that is being released as Red Hat Linux 9 is simply useless. 
Everything that would have worked under 8.1 fails under 9. See, like all 
the other posters on this and related threads, I've already loaded and 
evaluated it. 

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RE: About RH9 "usefulness"

[Pavel Rozenboim]

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Fratoni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sun, March 30, 2003 4:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: About RH9 "usefulness"
> 
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> On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:13 am, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 00:28:52 at 12:28:52AM -0800, Eric 
> Burke wrote:
> > > > The bottom line is for a corporate desktop, RH no
> > > > longer serves the purpose. Once compatibility is broken 
> by adding
> > > > something no one else is doing, all else is out the 
> window. Sorry,
> > > > but the whole NPTL gains nothing...no speed...nothing.No other
> > > > Linux distro is using it or planning on it. That in 
> itself breaks
> > > > compatibility and the products usefulness.
> >
> > how about "it provides Posix compliant, non-broken 
> threading" for the
> > first time in linux history
> 
> Oh, please!
> Let's not start adding fact and rational argument to this 
> thread now. ;)
> 
> It's much more fun to read the FUD. After all, there is no 
> 8.1 because Red 
> Hat jumped the gun and went right to Red Hat Linux 9. That changes 
> everything, Chicken Little. If they had just called it Red 
> Hat Linux 8.1, 
> it would have prevented the sky from falling.
> 

May be RedHat will release an errata to redhat-release package that changes
version to 8.1. I'm sure it will fix a lot of broken things :)

Pavel.

> The product that would have been 8.1 would have been just 
> perfect! This 
> trash that is being released as Red Hat Linux 9 is simply useless. 
> Everything that would have worked under 8.1 fails under 9. 
> See, like all 
> the other posters on this and related threads, I've already 
> loaded and 
> evaluated it. 
> 
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Re: Red Hat 9 -- April 7th -- Price & Compatibility?

[Colburn]

I have placed my order with Amazon in advance.  Am on a dial-up out here
in the woods (no other options yet).

May try a download from work and burn to a CD but want a clean and
original CD with docs.

If I do the download I may test it as a server load on an old 200MHz box
-- to replace the M$ 2000 mess a friend had loaded on the thing.

Thanks for the heads-up!

doc 

On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 14:38, M A Young wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Colburn wrote:
> 
> > OK, RedHat will try to resolve the many flaws in RH8 with their new
> > release, RH9 on April 7th.
> >
> > Any idea what they will charge retail for this?
> 
> Amazon will sell it to you for 31.49 GBP
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B8Y8KL
> or 36.99 dollars
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B8QODZ
> 
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Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

[Gerald Henriksen]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 01:03:41 -0600, you wrote:

>"Red Hat will provide errata maintenance for AT LEAST 12 months [... and] 
>may extend errata maintenance for certain popular releases[.]"
>
>Yes, up2date MAY go away for your RH release 12 months after it came out, 
>but there is no certainty that it will do so. And, in general, I would 
>expect 7.3 to receive support for longer just like 6.2 did. 8.0 I couldn't 
>tell you... I guess it will depend on what comes in 9.

We all know about the "at least" clause.  However if you actually read
the errata page you would see that Red Hat is showing by example that
you cannot expect multi-year support anymore on the base Red Hat
Linux.

Both 7.3 and 8.0 errata end Dec 31 of this year.  That means 8.0 will
receive about 15 months of updates, and 7.3 about 21 months.




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Re: SV: Spam ? (RH9)

[Joe Klemmer]

On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 00:22, Gerald Henriksen wrote:

> > Why do you quote my posts and attribute them to others?  This is not
> >the first one I've seen.  Pleas do not do it anymore.
> 
> He doesn't.
> 
> If you care to look at the originating message of this thread you will
> see the message by Marie-Thérèse Lorentzen (which Guy Fraser was
> replying to) does not quote your post at the bottom of her message.
> As such any mail client would get the quotes wrong in any reply.

If one can't be responsible enough to edit their replies they shouldn't
be posting messages.  It's bad enough to see people replying to email
with 4 or 5 levels of quoting or top posting with mega-k's worth of junk
below.  But it's inexcusable to reply in such a way as to change the
meaning of someone posts or to make it look like someone else wrote when
they said.

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Re: Preference Files In Use (2nd Try)

[Joe Klemmer]

On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 02:50, Cameron Simpson wrote:

> It's probably just Gnome being anal.

That's almost a redundant statement.  ;-)

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Re: WineX

[Joe Klemmer]

On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 08:38, Keith Winston wrote:

> >>http://www.linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/
> > 
> > Hey, that's Seth's util.  I have also found current to be a good
> > alternative. 
> 
> I haven't tried current yet because yum has been working so well.  I 
> monitor the yum list and Seth seems to fix bugs within a day or two of 
> them being reported.  Lots of folks from the fermilab involved with that 
> project, too.

Isn't Software Libre great?  So many choices and so many abilities. 
It's just so much fun.

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RE: About RH9 "usefulness"

[Joe Klemmer]

On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 10:13, Pavel Rozenboim wrote:

> > It's much more fun to read the FUD. After all, there is no 
> > 8.1 because Red Hat jumped the gun and went right to Red Hat
> > Linux 9. That changes everything, Chicken Little. If they had
> > just called it Red Hat Linux 8.1, it would have prevented the
> > sky from falling.
> 
> May be RedHat will release an errata to redhat-release package that changes
> version to 8.1. I'm sure it will fix a lot of broken things :)

ROTFLMAO!!!

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Re: Lilo and mounted boot partition

[Thomas Molina]

On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, MW Mike Weiner (5028) wrote:

> Dear list readers - 
> 
> I have a question, one which I have never really done or thought of doing
> before, though I am sure there is some way to do it. Where I am at is as
> follows, I have a server with a "cloned" disk that I have mounted
> temporarily so that I can work on it and make some tweaks before throwing it
> into another machine as its primary drive. What I am trying to do, and not
> sure I can, is to fix the boot partition on the temp mounted drive. So I
> have 2 disks currently mounted, primary disk with the normal boot and root
> partitions, and a clone of that disk. I want to run lilo -v on the CLONE,
> but not disturb the primary disk and its boot sector. Is there any way to
> accomplish this and modify the CLONE boot sector with lilo?? I thought
> something along the lines of the following:

If the second disk is truly a cloned disk there is a simpler way.  
Assuming the cloned disk is mounted (for example) at /mnt/disk you could 
do a chroot /mnt/disk.  You can do your tweaks either before or after 
this if making the tweaks doesn't depend on having the original disk 
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Xnest access

[Charles Curley]

I can launch programs using the main X server just fine. However, I
cannot use a second server, such as Xnest.

I fire up Xnest like so:

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[1] 15263
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jhereg]# Could not init font path element 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from list!

When I try to use it, I get this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ccurley]$ xterm -display :1 &
[1] 15271
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ccurley]$ Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1


Is the font path problem above related? How do you sepcify a font
path? Xnest does not appear to use XF86Config.

Also, is there a way to shut down Xnest that does not leave the lock
file and socket behind?

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Re: Recovering a Damaged RH 8.0 System

[Thomas Molina]

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Robert Styma wrote:

> After recharging the battery, the machine would not
> boot.  After digging around after booting with the CD,
> we found the problem was the soft links in /lib were
> corrupted.  The link contents were corrupted differently
> on each link, but letters were changed.  For example,
> on many links, the 'i' in lib was changed to a ')'.
> The 's' in .so was often changed to a '3'.
> 
> Telling the CD to upgrade the system does no good because
> the check against the RPM files says nothing needs to be
> changed and nothing gets done.  So we are going through
> the links and fixing them one at a time.
> 
> Has anyone seen this before?
> 
> Is there any automated way to recover this without wiping
> out the partitions?

After booting from the CD, run fsck manually on the partition in question, 
forcing a check.  

After you come up with a clean partition, try using the command line from 
the CD to mount the partition as root.  If you can do this, you can do an 
rpm -Va to check packages.  Given the problems rpm has had on 8.0 I would 
probably delete the __* files from /var/lib/rpm and rebuilddb also.  At 
this point you can reinstall any of the suspect packages and you are back 
in business.

If you can't mount the affected partition as root, you are probably forced 
to reinstall and restore data from backup.  

You DO have a backup, right?



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iscsci daemon and scsi emulation

[Redhat]

Hello to everyone in the list. 

What does the iscsi daemon do?  I setup scsi emulation for an atapi cdrw
drive so I could burn cdroms.  I can still access my cdrw drive and burn
cdroms whether or not iscsi is running.  

What does iscsi do and how is it related to scsi emulation?

Thanks,

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Re: RH Folks -- A Entitlement Wish

[Mike Vanecek]

On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:09:52 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote
> On Saturday 29 March 2003 17:43, Mike Vanecek uttered:
> > I have 3 RH 8 systems on paid basic entitlements. That works real nice for
> > standard up2date updates. However, sometimes I need something that is not
> > provided by up2date. E.g., I wanted to download the rawhide version of
> > logwatch since it reportedly fixed some problems in the version in the RH 8
> > distro. Trying to get a ftp connection to rawhide was a real pain. I wish
> > paid RHN customers could also be given priority access to at least rawhide.
> 
> Why not use a local mirror?

I tried one and it was busy too. Just gave up and waited a couple of days.
Which one do you recommend?

OTOH, my suggestion would be one more reason for folks to pay their $60 for a
subscription.




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Re: RH Folks -- A Entitlement Wish

[Jesse Keating]

On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:39, Mike Vanecek uttered:
> I tried one and it was busy too. Just gave up and waited a couple of days.
> Which one do you recommend?

Where are you located?

> OTOH, my suggestion would be one more reason for folks to pay their $60 for
> a subscription.

True.

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Re: iscsci daemon and scsi emulation

[Jesse Keating]

On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:42, Redhat uttered:
> Hello to everyone in the list.
>
> What does the iscsi daemon do?  I setup scsi emulation for an atapi cdrw
> drive so I could burn cdroms.  I can still access my cdrw drive and burn
> cdroms whether or not iscsi is running.  
>
> What does iscsi do and how is it related to scsi emulation?

Er, didn't we already answer this one?  iSCSI is for SCSI over TCP/IP for 
shared storage, a cheap way to do FibreChannel(or something close do that).  
Definatly not necessary for IDE SCSI emulation, necessary for burning CDs in 
the current kernel.

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Re: RH Folks -- A Entitlement Wish

[Ed Wilts]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 11:39:06AM -0600, Mike Vanecek wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:09:52 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote
> > On Saturday 29 March 2003 17:43, Mike Vanecek uttered:
> > > I have 3 RH 8 systems on paid basic entitlements. That works real nice for
> > > standard up2date updates. However, sometimes I need something that is not
> > > provided by up2date. E.g., I wanted to download the rawhide version of
> > > logwatch since it reportedly fixed some problems in the version in the RH 8
> > > distro. Trying to get a ftp connection to rawhide was a real pain. I wish
> > > paid RHN customers could also be given priority access to at least rawhide.
> > 
> > Why not use a local mirror?
> 
> I tried one and it was busy too. Just gave up and waited a couple of days.
> Which one do you recommend?

There are lots of mirrors, and some will be fast for you but slow for
me, and vice versa.  Go to http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html and try a
few  that might look like they're close.

An unofficial fast mirror with good connectivity is redhat.newaol.com.
They're not always current so you do have to be careful, but when
they're up to date, they're very fast.
 
> OTOH, my suggestion would be one more reason for folks to pay their $60 for a
> subscription.

I've raised this issue to Red Hat through their community ambassador
program but haven't seen an answer yet (and may not - many issues are
dealt with without me hearing about the resolution).  One of the issues
Red Hat would have to deal with is that up2date does automatic
dependency resolution and nothing is guaranteed with rawhide.  You could
very quickly render your system unusable if you're not *very* careful.
For example, say you wanted a rawhide version of mailman.  Rawhide isn't
version specific, so you could ask for this from a 7.3 system.  mailman
needs the latest python which needs the latest glibc, and before you
know it, your entire system is at a rawhide release when all you really
wanted was mailman.  Binary compatibility would have been lost along the
way.  So yes, Red Hat could probably make it available (perhaps for an
additional fee since there could potentially be a *lot* more network
bandwidth utilized), but I'm not convinced they'd want to put up with
the complaints they'd get.  Given the complaining I've seen just from
numbering a release 9 instead of 8.1, I can't begin to fathom the
complaining they'd get the first time somebody tried to update a trivial
package from rawhide and left their system totally unusable.

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Re: Red Hat 9

[Mike Vanecek]

On 29 Mar 2003 22:01:46 -0500, Joe Klemmer wrote
> On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 11:53, Guy Fraser wrote:
> 
> > What about the extra US$60/year for the entitlement, US$60/year x 500 = 
> > US$30,000. For each 500 entitlements, a persons salary can be paid for a 
> > year.
> 
>   You have many other options for this.  One that we are using at 
> work is to setup current (see freshmeat) and have all our RH boxes 
> sync through it.  Works like a charm.  There's other RHN-alikes as 
> well.  Then there's also apt-rpm and the plethora of tools like 
> autorpm and autoupdate.

The http://freshmeat.net/projects/current/?topic_id=253%2C865 looks very
useful. How will you handle things when the RHN support is terminated for a
disto?  Will you manually maintain updates on your server and then have the
rest of the machines sync?

Can this process be used with the enterprise license?  I.e., buy one license
and do the same thing? At $179/year per system, will you not have the same
problem? 

Can the enterprise system be freely distributed?  I have a teaching lab for
which the new setup will start to be a problem. I'd like to reduce the number
of updates that I have been doing in the past with the least cost.

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RE: Mozilla 1.3 and Java j2sdk-1.4.1_02-fcs

[Mike Vanecek]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:16:46 +0200, Pavel Rozenboim wrote

> 
> Did you copy the plugin file to mozilla plugins dir? I think it is important
> to create a symbolic link to a plugin and not to copy the file. Also 
> do you use a plugin from mozilla directory or netscape4 directory?

Yes, 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# d /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
total 1.6M
drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4.0K Mar 28 20:55 ./
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4.0K Jan 19 21:04 ../
-rw-r--r--1 root root  856 Jan 19 21:15 flashplayer.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   62 Mar 28 20:55 javaplugin_oji.so ->
/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.1/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root 1.4M Jan 19 21:14 libflashplayer.so*
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root 127K Oct 17 00:08 nppdf.so*
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root  28K Aug 28  2002 plugger.so*

It works fine with blackdown (not stone ...), re: my current setup above.

I could NOT get it to work with either 1.4.1_01 or 1.4.1_02 from sun by
copying the javaplugin_oji.so from the blackdown 1.4.1 package to the
appropriate location in either sun directory. I had to rpm -e the sun install
and use the blackdown tar.

If someone has this working, I would really like to know the specific steps
they used. 

> BTW, I believe it's blackdown.org not blackstone :)

Ooops, thank you.



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RE: About RH9 "usefulness"

[Keith Sharp]

On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 16:47, Joe Klemmer wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 10:13, Pavel Rozenboim wrote:
> 
> > > It's much more fun to read the FUD. After all, there is no 
> > > 8.1 because Red Hat jumped the gun and went right to Red Hat
> > > Linux 9. That changes everything, Chicken Little. If they had
> > > just called it Red Hat Linux 8.1, it would have prevented the
> > > sky from falling.
> > 
> > May be RedHat will release an errata to redhat-release package that changes
> > version to 8.1. I'm sure it will fix a lot of broken things :)
> 
> ROTFLMAO!!!

Go on, knock yourself out:

  http://www.employees.org/~kmsharp/rpms/redhat-release-8.1-1.i386.rpm
  http://www.employees.org/~kmsharp/rpms/redhat-release-8.1-1.src.rpm

To much time on my hands...

Keith.

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A7N266-VM(AA) + RH 8.0 No graphics mode install

[Seth Bardash]

Anyone running the A7N277-VM or -VM/AA based on the nVidia 220-D
chipset (other similar motherboards may also use this procedure)
and wanting to install RH 8.0:

The problems encountered are:

1) RH 8.0 Install CD hangs system in graphics install - Use
"linux text" mode.
2) Grub does not work on the A7N266-VM/AA - Use lilo.
3) 2 sets of drivers required: get them at http://www.nvidia.com
   nForce chip set for LAN and audio (used rev 1.0-0248)
   nVidia unified graphics for X Windows
4) Rebuild src.tar.gz files for #3 for compatibility with your
kernel rev.
5) Up2date hangs and must be restarted to complete. 
   It also does not update the lilo.conf file.

See bugzilla bug number 86303 for complete work-around at end of
comments or email me for the word .doc / .pdf of same.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=86303

This will show you how to get RH Linux 8.0 installed, install
chipset drivers and install LAN and graphics drivers. Also how
to set the system to come up in graphics mode at boot.

Seth Bardash

Integrated Solutions and Systems

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Re: Subject: Re: Red Hat 9

[Stephen Carville]

On Saturday 29 March 2003 08:02 pm, Joe Klemmer wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 18:11, Guy Fraser wrote:
> 
> > I trusted RH not to cause such a huge problem. I personaly do not 
do the 
> > upgrades, but it was through my encouragement that RH was 
installed to 
> > reduce overhead costs, when everyone who had upgraded glibc and 
things 
> > broke it was put on me to get the systems fixed after the other 
people 
> > could not get their apps that run under wine to work.
> 
>   This is for anyone else reading this list.
> 
>   If you have "mission critical apps" that are MS-Windows based you
> should run them on an MS-Windows OS.  Use the right tool for the 
job. 
> Don't get caught up in politics or religious wars.  Evaluate all the
> options and find the one that best fits the situation.

I have to agree.  I recently had a problem with an in house app 
written using some third party DLL's that crashes if the data files 
are stored on a Samba server but run OK -- more or less -- if the 
data files are stored on a W2K server.  The solution?  Put the damed 
things on a W2K server.  It's not like we don't have a couple (that 
have to be rebooted every moring but that's another story :-)

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Re: RH 9.0 - changelog?

[Kevin Waterson]

This one time, at band camp,
Keith Winston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > 
> > The Pine license doesn't allow anyone to distribute modified packages, 
> > which means that Red Hat can't publish a security update until UW does. 
> >  That's not an acceptable, or Free, license.
> 
> BTW, while I don't know of a GPL pine clone, there is a very fine GPL 
> pico clone called nano:
> 
> http://www.nano-editor.org/
> 
> I've been using it since before version 1.0 and it has a few features 
> that pico doesn't.
Pico is also available without pine

Kevin

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Re: [psyche] Re: Red Hat 9

[Rodolfo J. Paiz]

At 02:05 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
So, let me re-phrase the question. What significant difference is there 
(if any) between RH8/9 outfitted compltetly open-source and RH secure 
server? Is secure server *NOT* open source. Can RH8/9 serve as a secure 
enterprise server system just as well as secure server? Is the fundamental 
difference the level of support?
Security is not a binary, yes-or-no thing; it is a spectrum where you can 
have more or less security (with tradeoffs in convenience and cost, among 
other factors). You can make a Red Hat server, using only the open-source 
packages supplied with the distro, a pretty secure choice. There are, 
additionally, packages to help you increase security such as Bastille 
Linux. So no, I don't think there is any real difference between a "normal" 
and "secure" Red Hat server other than careful configuration.

Alternately, there are other options for you. The NSA and HP both offer 
heavily-hardened products, and Trustix is a Linux OS very focused on 
security. These and many others are available for your consideration.

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Re: RH 9.0 - changelog?

[Rodolfo J. Paiz]

At 07:44 AM 3/31/2003 +1000, you wrote:
Pico is also available without pine
If you use pico without pine, does the license change?

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Re: RH 9.0 - changelog?

[Jesse Keating]

On Sunday 30 March 2003 13:44, Kevin Waterson uttered:
> Pico is also available without pine

But not w/out the UW license.

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Re: Preference Files In Use (2nd Try)

[Michael Wardle]

On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 15:01, Ronald W. Heiby wrote:
> Since sharing my home directory using NFS / automount, I sometimes
> find the following message on the X Window screen before Gnome gets
> going.
> 
> "Your preferences files are currently in use. (If you are logged in to
> this same account from another computer, the other login session is
> probably using your preferences files.) You can choose to continue,
> but be aware that other login sessions may become temporarily
> confused. If you are not logged in elsewhere, it should be harmless to
> continue." [Cancel] [Continue]

I get this every time I log in, and it's really annoying me.  I think
it's been occurring for me ever since GNOME started playing up: Nautilus
sits there saying "Searching your hard disks for Trash folders"
indefinitely, and the Log Out menu item does not log me out.  For me
this is probably just a symptom of a bigger problem.

> So, who's holding what preferences files open

Probably nobody.

> Am I the first one to try sharing home directories via NFS and
> automount? Or, am I doing something remarkably stupid?

For everything to work properly, you need NFS locking enabled, but I
think you get a different error message if you don't have locking.

A possible way to get the error message to disappear is to log out,
remove ~/.gconfd, remove ~/.gconf/%gconf-xml-backend.lock, and log back
in, but chances are you'll see it again if something else is amiss.

Hope this helps

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Let's Move RH 9 stuff to redhat-list!

[Richard Potter]

Nuff said.


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Re: RH 9.0 - changelog?

[Michael Wardle]

On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 05:32, Guy Fraser wrote:
> Now that pine is gone, there will be no pico. All I am left with is vi.

There is a free clone of pico called nano (as in mili -> micro -> pico
-> nano) available with recent Red Hat releases or at
.  You will also find the jed and joe
editors with recent Red Hat releases, and many other third-party editors
available on their Web sites.

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RE: Need help...Sybase12.5

[Connie Sieh]

So what glibc rpms were installed?
You can check with
rpm -q --qf "%{name}\t%{arch}\n" glibc

There seems to be a issue with the "i386" version of the glibc libraries.
Sybase tech support has reproduced the problem internally and has
forwarded the issue to engineering.  The issue seems to be in sprintf -->
vsprintf --> vfprintf which is where it dies.  The i686 versions of the
libraries work just fine.

So if you are on a i686 then you should install the i686 versions of
glibc.

-Connie Sieh

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Naum Stolarskiy wrote:

> This is what I got:
>
> # ldd dataserver
> libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4003)
> libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40051000)
> libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x40054000)
> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x40068000)
> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40098000)
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
> I checked /lib there no i686 directory.
> Thanks,
> Naum.
>
>
> On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:20, csieh wrote:
> > Naum,
> >
> > Go to $SYBASE/ASE-12_5/bin and runs
> > "ldd dataserver" what path does it show on the libc
> > library? It should show /lib/i686/libc.so.xxx
> >
> > -Connie Sieh
> > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Naum Stolarskiy wrote:
> >
> > > Removed /lib;/usr/lib from ld.so.conf
> > > # more /etc/ld.so.conf
> > > /usr/lib/qt-1.45/lib
> > > /usr/kerberos/lib
> > > /usr/lib/wine
> > > /usr/lib/mysql
> > > /usr/lib/sane
> > > /usr/sybase-12.5/lib
> > > /usr/lib/qt-2.3.0/lib
> > > /usr/lib/qt-3.0.5/lib
> > > /usr/X11R6/lib
> > > /opt/sybase-12.5/OCS/lib
> > > /opt/sybase-12.5/ASE/lib
> > >
> > > Ran ldconfig -v
> > >
> > > # $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> > > bash:
> > > /opt/office52/adabas/lib:/opt/office52/adabas/lib:/opt/office52/adabas/lib
> > >
> > >
> > > ran asecfg
> > > ... same result...same error message
> > > Thanks,
> > > Naum..
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 16:42, csieh wrote:
> > > > Naum,
> > > >
> > > > So, the issue seems to be that if /lib:/usr/lib are in LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> > > > then /lib/libc-2.2.4.so is used; and with them not /lib/i686/libc-2.2.4.so
> > > > is used. The 686 lib is working, the other is not. Investigation is
> > > > underway
> > > >
> > > > So since you have /lib and /usr/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf I suggest taking
> > > > those out and rerunning ldconfig.  And make sure /lib:/usr/lib are not
> > > > part of LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
> > > >
> > > > Note that the issue above is described in Bugzilla 86398 and 86359.
> > > >
> > > > -Connie Sieh
> > > > Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory
> > > > On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Naum Stolarsky wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > replaced glibc-2.3.2 with glibc-2.2.5-93
> > > > > Same result...
> > > > > Is there any problems if glibc -2.2.4-32 is used on
> > > > > RH8.0?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Naum
> > > > > Stolarskiy
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:59 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: RE: Need help...Sybase12.5
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here it is:
> > > > > /lib
> > > > > /usr/lib
> > > > > /usr/lib/qt-1.45/lib
> > > > > /usr/kerberos/lib
> > > > > /usr/lib/wine
> > > > > /usr/lib/mysql
> > > > > /usr/lib/sane
> > > > > /usr/sybase-12.5/lib
> > > > > /usr/lib/qt-2.3.0/lib
> > > > > /usr/lib/qt-3.0.5/lib
> > > > > /usr/X11R6/lib
> > > > > /opt/sybase-12.5/OCS/lib
> > > > > /opt/sybase-12.5/ASE/lib
> > > > > Naum.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 17:52, csieh wrote:
> > > > > > Naum,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What are the contents of /etc/ld.so.conf and the
> > > > > value of LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Connie Sieh
> > > > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, csieh wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Naum,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What version of glibc do you have?
> > > > > > > Any error messages?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Connie Sieh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Naum Stolarsky
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here we go again...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Did anybody installed Sybase 12.5 on RH8.0?
> > > > > > > > What version of glibc do you have?
> > > > > > > > My srvbuild can't create master.dat...
> > > > > > > > Everything I've found so far points to glibc.
> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > > > > Naum.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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Re: RH Folks -- A Entitlement Wish

[Mike Vanecek]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:53:40 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote
> On Sunday 30 March 2003 09:39, Mike Vanecek uttered:
> > I tried one and it was busy too. Just gave up and waited a couple of days.
> > Which one do you recommend?
> 
> Where are you located?

Most of the time either in Texas or Arkansas.



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Re: JFFS2 support in RH 8.0?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On 30 Mar 2003, David Woodhouse wrote:

> On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 15:15, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >   i have an (alleged) JFFS2 format file that i would like
> > to mount (via -o loop) and examine on my RH box, so i'm
> > trying to build in JFFS2 filesystem support.
> 
> You cannot use '-oloop' because /dev/loop0 is a block device and JFFS2
> does not work on those. JFFS2 works only on MTD devices.
> 
> Load the equivalent fake MTD device 'mtdram', with appropriate
> total_size and erase_size options to match the file system image you
> have, copy your image onto that and mount it.
> 
> cf. http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/LoopBack

actually, i've already been there -- instructions
are somewhat misleading, so i dicked around, figured
out how it finally worked, and posted to my local
LYG, since some people there were interested.

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RE: Mozilla 1.3 and Java j2sdk-1.4.1_02-fcs

[Pavel Rozenboim]

> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Vanecek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sun, March 30, 2003 8:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Mozilla 1.3 and Java j2sdk-1.4.1_02-fcs
> 
> 
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:16:46 +0200, Pavel Rozenboim wrote
> 
> > 
> > Did you copy the plugin file to mozilla plugins dir? I 
> think it is important
> > to create a symbolic link to a plugin and not to copy the 
> file. Also 
> > do you use a plugin from mozilla directory or netscape4 directory?
> 
> Yes, 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# d /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
> total 1.6M
> drwxr-xr-x2 root root 4.0K Mar 28 20:55 ./
> drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4.0K Jan 19 21:04 ../
> -rw-r--r--1 root root  856 Jan 19 21:15 
> flashplayer.xpt
> lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   62 Mar 28 20:55 
> javaplugin_oji.so ->
> /usr/java/j2sdk1.4.1/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 1.4M Jan 19 21:14 
> libflashplayer.so*
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 127K Oct 17 00:08 nppdf.so*
> -rwxr-xr-x1 root root  28K Aug 28  2002 plugger.so*
> 
> It works fine with blackdown (not stone ...), re: my current 
> setup above.
> 
> I could NOT get it to work with either 1.4.1_01 or 1.4.1_02 
> from sun by
> copying the javaplugin_oji.so from the blackdown 1.4.1 package to the
> appropriate location in either sun directory. I had to rpm -e 
> the sun install
> and use the blackdown tar.
> 
> If someone has this working, I would really like to know the 
> specific steps
> they used. 

Hmm, actually I have both java 1.4.1_02 from Sun and blackdown.org and the
plugin works fine. I haven't done any special steps to make it work. I just
unpacked the blackdown.org jre to /usr/java/ dir and made a symbolic link to
a plugin. May be you have some environment vars pointing to Sun java
installation that confuse plugin? 

Pavel.

> 
> > BTW, I believe it's blackdown.org not blackstone :)
> 
> Ooops, thank you.
> 
> 
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Re: find and replace text in files

[Piero Calucci]

On Fri, 2003-03-28 at 18:27, Philippe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Good answer, but if your want to replace all "search" terms in a line
> (and not only the first found), just add the "g" parameter at the end of
> sed command : (g = globally)...

there was an implicit man sed ;-)

P.



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