Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Darrell First, what I want is to try this player to see if there is anything wrong with it ?? How can I intelligently comment on something when it may even work for me if I need it to. And there may be other ways at getting at the same stations I much prefer. What you have here is a warning, folks, which may mean there is a problem for all or some folks. But it would be nice also to have some firsthand experience both in using the product and perhaps in working work arounds before crying wolf. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Albert I saw the msg; but, on the other hand, experiences of actual users will be even more valuable. The heads-up from the AOL exec certainly puts everyone on notice and watch; but, many times, what someone technically views as inaccessible may well be usable. The problem with this whole accessability issue is that so many things that even the "evangelists" (bothering Darrell's term) treat as so unusable, turns out to be perfectly workable after some playing around and brainstorming. And often there are other ways of getting at the same stream other than that one player. So the way I look at this is that we have a warning presented here that the moment that requires some vigilance and evaluation, not panic. It is also possible that the screen reader vendors, either through scripts or otherwise, may make this new player usable. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ujnfortunate AOL News and Information
For as long as I can recall, which is ever since AOL has been around, their services have not been that accessible to Blind people. I know I have heard that they have done some things to make their services more accessible to us, but it has been a struggle for them to even do anything. I guess I am wondering why blind people continue to support companies who don't seem to care anything about our accessability needs and continue to put out products that make us work very hard at using them. Now, about the AOL's new CBS Player, AOL knew of their plan to change their program, so why couldn't they test and make sure the product is accessible to screen readers before they installed it. It makes absolutely no sense to put out a product that is not accessible to all of its users. AOL knows blind people use their service, especially radio and music playing components of their system, so why do they continue to disregard us? Maybe just because they can. I don't buy that argument that "business requirements forced them to rush the product in prior to them wanting to do so. CBS has been around for a while and I often access their stations and theeir player seems to be accessible enough. Does the one AOL uses work differently than the CBS stations would use? It sickens me when companies continue to cry about not making things accessible because of business reasons. We blind people pay our subscription fees to them, so shouldn't our needs matter too. I think blind people make up a pretty sizeable market for their types of services. My question would also be, if it is so hard to do, then how do other companies do it. Like someone said, doesn't they (AOL) own Winamp? Why not use Winamp for their needs? I have had enough of this stuff and excuses. I will no longer spend my money with companies who act this way. I can take my money elsewhere. We should do this across the board and let those companies who don't seem to care know what we are doing. Those companies that we have to use, then we can sue them into complying with the law; those who we only use for pleasure and entertainment, we should let go. You know, blind people get such treatment because we accept it and continue to buy stuff that don't work for us. Companies like Apple, who makes a cell phone with no keyboard or bluetooth accessability; Intuit (Quicken), who produces an almost totally inaccessible tax program, even though blind people have to do taxes to and want and need to do their own taxes; and most of their radio automated programs (OTSDJ), which require us to always script them into shape; and many more, who just don't seem to care, should be dropped by us and not used. I know we will say that we need some of these programs, but these companies don't seem to care and only give lip service to making their products more accessible. I would say to AOL, "Get your act in Order." Make this product accessible, it is only a software thing and shouldn't take too long to take care of it. Excuse time is over and better service is in order. Finally, every person who continue to use these types of products despite their companies' failure to care about our needs are contributing to the problem; stop keeping them into budsiness to discriminate against you and put your money where your needs are. If they say, our money is not enough to make a difference, then let's move on and find a product that meets out needs. If we need the product and it is the only one around, then sue those companies into making their products accessible. I heard this stuff fifteen to twenty years ago, when I got my first (PCXT) and should not be hearing it now; we are trying, but business requirements make us go backwards or do nothing at all. Let's get our butts in gear and start demanding better service; there is absolutely no reason why any software should be inaccessible to blind people, as the technology is there to make anything accessible. AOL and similar companies should ask us before emplimenting programs that don't meet our needs and maybe we can help them know what route to take. James Robinson Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: talks
Yes, and nearly all of those phones are nokia's I think there is one seamens and samsung, but all people I know use talks use them on nokia phones. and, don't just go out and buy a nokia phone, becuase not all of them will work. It has to be either 2nd generation or 3rd generation symbian, series 60 or 80. check out for the specification of supported phones: http://nuance.com/talks HTH, Orhan Deniz. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN/Windows Live ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: Orhan.deniz63 Blog: Http://WorldAndOther.wordpress.com Twitter: Http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008 - Original Message - From: John covici To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:05 AM Subject: Re: talks Sorry talks won't work on that phone -- must be using the Symbian operating system of certain types. on Saturday 06/07/2008 DJ DOCTOR P([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote > Hello Tyler, > My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: > http:/./www.verisandwireless.com > Will Talks work on it? > My best regards. > John. > - Original Message - > From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: talks > > > > Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a screen > > reader for your phone, as I understand it. > > > > > > Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! > > > > contact details: > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > skype: the_conman283 > > > > system details: > > Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc > > AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, > > Fujitsu > > 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio > > - Original Message - > > From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM > > Subject: Re: talks > > > > > >> High Paul, > >> What is Talks? > >> Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for blind > >> people? > >> Thanks. > >> John. > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Paul Oeser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM > >> Subject: talks > >> > >> > >>>I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file > >>> which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see > >>> what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to my > >>> phone? > >>> > >>> My question is how to install talks on the phone? > >>> > >>> > >>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > >>> http://www.pc-audio.org > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > >> http://www.pc-audio.org > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: 6/6/2008 > > 8:01 AM > > > > > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News FromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Mike, I couldn't agree more. It's not time to panic yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 6:14 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News FromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio Albert I saw the msg; but, on the other hand, experiences of actual users will be even more valuable. The heads-up from the AOL exec certainly puts everyone on notice and watch; but, many times, what someone technically views as inaccessible may well be usable. The problem with this whole accessability issue is that so many things that even the "evangelists" (bothering Darrell's term) treat as so unusable, turns out to be perfectly workable after some playing around and brainstorming. And often there are other ways of getting at the same stream other than that one player. So the way I look at this is that we have a warning presented here that the moment that requires some vigilance and evaluation, not panic. It is also possible that the screen reader vendors, either through scripts or otherwise, may make this new player usable. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
Well, I fully believe that law suits should be a last resort, and we shouldn't "panic". In this case though, I'd like to point out a few things. "we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience" I believe Curtis Chong when he says "Mr. Wlodkowski ... is a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities.", but it sounds to me like our inability to access AOL or CBS Radio is considered a mere inconvenience to AOL. Since we have other streaming options, I suppose technically it is just an inconvenience, but if everyone providing on line streams and media players felt this way then it wouldn't be long before this vital source of information and entertainment would be inaccessible to the blind. I agree that as blind persons and Americans, we have bigger issues facing us, but you can always say that about any given issue. Furthermore, more and more people are getting their information on these weighty issues over the internet, and the blind should be able to do the same. "The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9." When did AOL and others know about this dramatic increase in royalty rates paid to internet radio? Is it really the case that they didn't have ample time to deal with accessibility issues? Why are they waiting until June 9th to address this issue with CBS radio? Like I said, we shouldn't "panic", although I'm not sure I've seen anyone panic yet, and we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that anyone needs to file a law suit. On the other hand, although AOL and Mr. Wlodkowski are coming clean with this issue, I don't think they should be given a free pass either. For my part, I'm not convinced they couldn't have addressed this issue before June 9. Furthermore, I don't think business needs are a justification to break the law. Well, that's just my $0.02, and I know people who are a lot smarter than me and who are a lot familiar with all of these issues are looking into this. I'm just tossing out my opinion, so feel free to hit the delete key and ignore it! -- Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
Well, guess this doesn't really apply to me, since I'm not in america (hence, don't have to pay healthcare and the dollar is good- but that's off topic), but I believe with james on this issue;we should be looking at different solutions, after all, there are a lot out there- just to name a few: http://www.mikesradioworld.com http://www.bluebeat.com launchcat.yahoo.ca etc, and they're all free! And most of them use mainstream players like winamp, or windows media player. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) > Well, I fully believe that law suits should be a last resort, and we > shouldn't "panic". In this case though, I'd like to point out a few > things. > > "we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use > of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience" > > I believe Curtis Chong when he says "Mr. Wlodkowski ... is a man of > integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's > services by all people with disabilities.", but it sounds to me like our > inability to access AOL or CBS Radio is considered a mere inconvenience to > AOL. Since we have other streaming options, I suppose technically it is > just an inconvenience, but if everyone providing on line streams and media > players felt this way then it wouldn't be long before this vital source of > information and entertainment would be inaccessible to the blind. I agree > that as blind persons and Americans, we have bigger issues facing us, but > you can always say that about any given issue. Furthermore, more and more > people are getting their information on these weighty issues over the > internet, and the blind should be able to do the same. > > "The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic > increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action > by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way > to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and > accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective > address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team > is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and > is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player > interface launches on June 9." > > > When did AOL and others know about this dramatic increase in royalty > rates paid to internet radio? Is it really the case that they didn't > have ample time to deal with accessibility issues? Why are they waiting > until June 9th to address this issue with CBS radio? > > Like I said, we shouldn't "panic", although I'm not sure I've seen > anyone panic yet, and we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that anyone > needs to file a law suit. On the other hand, although AOL and Mr. > > Wlodkowski are coming clean with this issue, I don't think they should be > given a free pass either. For my part, I'm not convinced they couldn't > have addressed this issue before June 9. Furthermore, I don't think > business needs are a justification to break the law. > > Well, that's just my $0.02, and I know people who are a lot smarter than > me and who are a lot familiar with all of these issues are looking into > this. I'm just tossing out my opinion, so feel free to hit the delete key > and ignore it! > > > -- > Christopher > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
Chris, in the main I agree with your stance on this issue. However, I don't think it's important that we know whether AOL could have made a decision sooner. While I'd like to satisfy my curiosity with regard to this issue it will be very difficult to prove. Furthermore I don't believe the law mandates that every aspect of a site be accessible. I do think owners of these large sites have to make a reasonable effort to make it so. Therefore if Curtis Chung and the AOL person are working together in good faith toward a solution we need to be satisfied with that partnership and those goals for the moment. AOL has made great strides toward the development of fully accessible web content and it appears they're interested in progressing toward the same end goal as before. It will be interesting to see how quickly we have access to the on line radio back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:44 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Well, I fully believe that law suits should be a last resort, and we shouldn't "panic". In this case though, I'd like to point out a few things. "we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience" I believe Curtis Chong when he says "Mr. Wlodkowski ... is a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities.", but it sounds to me like our inability to access AOL or CBS Radio is considered a mere inconvenience to AOL. Since we have other streaming options, I suppose technically it is just an inconvenience, but if everyone providing on line streams and media players felt this way then it wouldn't be long before this vital source of information and entertainment would be inaccessible to the blind. I agree that as blind persons and Americans, we have bigger issues facing us, but you can always say that about any given issue. Furthermore, more and more people are getting their information on these weighty issues over the internet, and the blind should be able to do the same. "The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9." When did AOL and others know about this dramatic increase in royalty rates paid to internet radio? Is it really the case that they didn't have ample time to deal with accessibility issues? Why are they waiting until June 9th to address this issue with CBS radio? Like I said, we shouldn't "panic", although I'm not sure I've seen anyone panic yet, and we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that anyone needs to file a law suit. On the other hand, although AOL and Mr. Wlodkowski are coming clean with this issue, I don't think they should be given a free pass either. For my part, I'm not convinced they couldn't have addressed this issue before June 9. Furthermore, I don't think business needs are a justification to break the law. Well, that's just my $0.02, and I know people who are a lot smarter than me and who are a lot familiar with all of these issues are looking into this. I'm just tossing out my opinion, so feel free to hit the delete key and ignore it! -- Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: talks
Personally, I'd avoid Series 80 and Series 60 2nd edition phones right now. Nuance has updated Talks for Series 80 phones in a while and Nokia hasn't released a Series 80 phone in a while either. Similarly, Series 60 2nd edition phones aren't being produced any more, and I don't know how much longer Nuance will be putting out updates for the Series 60 2nd edition phones. In short, I'd focus on Series 60 3rd edition phones. The link Orhan provided below can lead you to the list of Series 60 3rd edition phones supported by Talks. Orhan Deniz wrote: > Yes, and nearly all of those phones are nokia's I think there is one seamens > and samsung, but all people I know use talks use them on nokia phones. > and, don't just go out and buy a nokia phone, becuase not all of them will > work. > It has to be either 2nd generation or 3rd generation symbian, series 60 or > 80. > > check out for the specification of supported phones: > http://nuance.com/talks > > HTH, > Orhan Deniz. > E-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSN/Windows Live ID: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: > Orhan.deniz63 > > Blog: > Http://WorldAndOther.wordpress.com > Twitter: > Http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008 > - Original Message - > From: John covici > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: talks > > > Sorry talks won't work on that phone -- must be using the Symbian > operating system of certain types. > > on Saturday 06/07/2008 DJ DOCTOR P([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote >> Hello Tyler, >> My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: >> http:/./www.verisandwireless.com >> Will Talks work on it? >> My best regards. >> John. >> - Original Message - >> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM >> Subject: Re: talks >> >> >> > Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a > screen >> > reader for your phone, as I understand it. >> > >> > >> > Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! >> > >> > contact details: >> > >> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > skype: the_conman283 >> > >> > system details: >> > Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc >> > AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, >> > Fujitsu >> > 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM >> > Subject: Re: talks >> > >> > >> >> High Paul, >> >> What is Talks? >> >> Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for > blind >> >> people? >> >> Thanks. >> >> John. >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Paul Oeser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM >> >> Subject: talks >> >> >> >> >> >>>I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file >> >>> which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see >> >>> what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to > my >> >>> phone? >> >>> >> >>> My question is how to install talks on the phone? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG. >> > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: > 6/6/2008 >> > 8:01 AM >> > >> > >> > >> > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> > http://www.pc-audio.org >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > >John Covici >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Arch
Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News FromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
You may not like AL very well; however, they have made their capcha accessable which is more than Yahoo has done. Marsha Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: talks
Hi christopher, I agree. Personally, I would recommend either E series or N series phones. These phones have E and N model numbers Like E65 and N73 Hth, Orhan.Orhan Deniz. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN/Windows Live ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: Orhan.deniz63 Blog: Http://WorldAndOther.wordpress.com Twitter: Http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008 - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: talks Personally, I'd avoid Series 80 and Series 60 2nd edition phones right now. Nuance has updated Talks for Series 80 phones in a while and Nokia hasn't released a Series 80 phone in a while either. Similarly, Series 60 2nd edition phones aren't being produced any more, and I don't know how much longer Nuance will be putting out updates for the Series 60 2nd edition phones. In short, I'd focus on Series 60 3rd edition phones. The link Orhan provided below can lead you to the list of Series 60 3rd edition phones supported by Talks. Orhan Deniz wrote: > Yes, and nearly all of those phones are nokia's I think there is one seamens > and samsung, but all people I know use talks use them on nokia phones. > and, don't just go out and buy a nokia phone, becuase not all of them will > work. > It has to be either 2nd generation or 3rd generation symbian, series 60 or > 80. > > check out for the specification of supported phones: > http://nuance.com/talks > > HTH, > Orhan Deniz. > E-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSN/Windows Live ID: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: > Orhan.deniz63 > > Blog: > Http://WorldAndOther.wordpress.com > Twitter: > Http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008 > - Original Message - > From: John covici > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: talks > > > Sorry talks won't work on that phone -- must be using the Symbian > operating system of certain types. > > on Saturday 06/07/2008 DJ DOCTOR P([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote >> Hello Tyler, >> My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: >> http:/./www.verisandwireless.com >> Will Talks work on it? >> My best regards. >> John. >> - Original Message - >> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM >> Subject: Re: talks >> >> >> > Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a > screen >> > reader for your phone, as I understand it. >> > >> > >> > Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! >> > >> > contact details: >> > >> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > skype: the_conman283 >> > >> > system details: >> > Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc >> > AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, >> > Fujitsu >> > 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM >> > Subject: Re: talks >> > >> > >> >> High Paul, >> >> What is Talks? >> >> Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for > blind >> >> people? >> >> Thanks. >> >> John. >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Paul Oeser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM >> >> Subject: talks >> >> >> >> >> >>>I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file >> >>> which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see >> >>> what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to > my >> >>> phone? >> >>> >> >>> My question is how to install talks on the phone? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG. >> > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: > 6/6/2008 >> > 8:01 AM >> > >> > >> > >> > Audio Lis
Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL)
Hi Albert, Chris and all, I do think Tom Wlodkowski is doing his best in this situation, but it is also clear to me that AOL's accessibility team has no real significant power. They can give advice to others within the company. Sometimes, those others decide to follow it, other times they do not. I do agree that, given the existence of accessible technology in this area, there's no good reason for CBS to have dropped the ball and for AOL to have just accepted the situation. I hope it gets resolved soon, and that anyone concerned about this issue will indeed send their feedback to both AOL and CBS. - Original Message - From: "albert griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: RE: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Chris, in the main I agree with your stance on this issue. However, I don't think it's important that we know whether AOL could have made a decision sooner. While I'd like to satisfy my curiosity with regard to this issue it will be very difficult to prove. Furthermore I don't believe the law mandates that every aspect of a site be accessible. I do think owners of these large sites have to make a reasonable effort to make it so. Therefore if Curtis Chung and the AOL person are working together in good faith toward a solution we need to be satisfied with that partnership and those goals for the moment. AOL has made great strides toward the development of fully accessible web content and it appears they're interested in progressing toward the same end goal as before. It will be interesting to see how quickly we have access to the on line radio back. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 10:44 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Unfortunate News From America Online (AOL) Well, I fully believe that law suits should be a last resort, and we shouldn't "panic". In this case though, I'd like to point out a few things. "we will take some significant steps backward as we transition to the use of a third party player. We apologize for the inconvenience" I believe Curtis Chong when he says "Mr. Wlodkowski ... is a man of integrity and a person who is deeply committed to ensuring access to AOL's services by all people with disabilities.", but it sounds to me like our inability to access AOL or CBS Radio is considered a mere inconvenience to AOL. Since we have other streaming options, I suppose technically it is just an inconvenience, but if everyone providing on line streams and media players felt this way then it wouldn't be long before this vital source of information and entertainment would be inaccessible to the blind. I agree that as blind persons and Americans, we have bigger issues facing us, but you can always say that about any given issue. Furthermore, more and more people are getting their information on these weighty issues over the internet, and the blind should be able to do the same. "The necessity of this new business model was driven by the dramatic increase in the music royalty rates paid for Internet Radio. This action by the record labels left AOL no choice but to look for an alternative way to stay in the internet radio business. Given the business demands and accelerated transition, there wasn't ample time for us to effective address the major usability issues with the CBS Player. The AOL Radio team is aware of the accessibility barriers presented by this transition, and is committed to addressing the issue with CBS Radio once the new player interface launches on June 9." When did AOL and others know about this dramatic increase in royalty rates paid to internet radio? Is it really the case that they didn't have ample time to deal with accessibility issues? Why are they waiting until June 9th to address this issue with CBS radio? Like I said, we shouldn't "panic", although I'm not sure I've seen anyone panic yet, and we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that anyone needs to file a law suit. On the other hand, although AOL and Mr. Wlodkowski are coming clean with this issue, I don't think they should be given a free pass either. For my part, I'm not convinced they couldn't have addressed this issue before June 9. Furthermore, I don't think business needs are a justification to break the law. Well, that's just my $0.02, and I know people who are a lot smarter than me and who are a lot familiar with all of these issues are looking into this. I'm just tossing out my opinion, so feel free to hit the delete key and ignore it! -- Christopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List He
RE: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate NewsFromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Marsha, this is why I feel we should give them the benefit of the doubt given their progress over the last few years. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marsha Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:01 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate NewsFromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio You may not like AL very well; however, they have made their capcha accessable which is more than Yahoo has done. Marsha Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ujnfortunate AOL News and Information
Hi James, I think that a bunch of blind people organizing a boycott wouldn't do any good, however, if we can find ways to convince our sighted colleagues, friends, relatives and neighbors to purchase only from companies that also happen to pay attention to accessibility, then, we would have something useful. :-) In many other areas, AOL has actually made great strides forward in accessibility. AOL's Instant Messenger and Mail services are known to work well with screen readers. I use AIM on my job to communicate with other members of my team around the world. - Original Message - From: "TheLearningCenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:32 AM Subject: Ujnfortunate AOL News and Information For as long as I can recall, which is ever since AOL has been around, their services have not been that accessible to Blind people. I know I have heard that they have done some things to make their services more accessible to us, but it has been a struggle for them to even do anything. I guess I am wondering why blind people continue to support companies who don't seem to care anything about our accessability needs and continue to put out products that make us work very hard at using them. Now, about the AOL's new CBS Player, AOL knew of their plan to change their program, so why couldn't they test and make sure the product is accessible to screen readers before they installed it. It makes absolutely no sense to put out a product that is not accessible to all of its users. AOL knows blind people use their service, especially radio and music playing components of their system, so why do they continue to disregard us? Maybe just because they can. I don't buy that argument that "business requirements forced them to rush the product in prior to them wanting to do so. CBS has been around for a while and I often access their stations and theeir player seems to be accessible enough. Does the one AOL uses work differently than the CBS stations would use? It sickens me when companies continue to cry about not making things accessible because of business reasons. We blind people pay our subscription fees to them, so shouldn't our needs matter too. I think blind people make up a pretty sizeable market for their types of services. My question would also be, if it is so hard to do, then how do other companies do it. Like someone said, doesn't they (AOL) own Winamp? Why not use Winamp for their needs? I have had enough of this stuff and excuses. I will no longer spend my money with companies who act this way. I can take my money elsewhere. We should do this across the board and let those companies who don't seem to care know what we are doing. Those companies that we have to use, then we can sue them into complying with the law; those who we only use for pleasure and entertainment, we should let go. You know, blind people get such treatment because we accept it and continue to buy stuff that don't work for us. Companies like Apple, who makes a cell phone with no keyboard or bluetooth accessability; Intuit (Quicken), who produces an almost totally inaccessible tax program, even though blind people have to do taxes to and want and need to do their own taxes; and most of their radio automated programs (OTSDJ), which require us to always script them into shape; and many more, who just don't seem to care, should be dropped by us and not used. I know we will say that we need some of these programs, but these companies don't seem to care and only give lip service to making their products more accessible. I would say to AOL, "Get your act in Order." Make this product accessible, it is only a software thing and shouldn't take too long to take care of it. Excuse time is over and better service is in order. Finally, every person who continue to use these types of products despite their companies' failure to care about our needs are contributing to the problem; stop keeping them into budsiness to discriminate against you and put your money where your needs are. If they say, our money is not enough to make a difference, then let's move on and find a product that meets out needs. If we need the product and it is the only one around, then sue those companies into making their products accessible. I heard this stuff fifteen to twenty years ago, when I got my first (PCXT) and should not be hearing it now; we are trying, but business requirements make us go backwards or do nothing at all. Let's get our butts in gear and start demanding better service; there is absolutely no reason why any software should be inaccessible to blind people, as the technology is there to make anything accessible. AOL and similar companies should ask us before emplimenting programs that don't meet our needs and maybe we can help them know what route to take. James Robinson Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org T
Re: Ujnfortunate AOL News and Information
Could we please respect the list moderator's request that this discussion not continue on this list? Thank you. Bruce -- An accessible captcha solution that does not take into account the needs of the deaf-blind is no acceptable solution at all. Bruce Toews Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sun, 8 Jun 2008, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > Hi James, > > I think that a bunch of blind people organizing a boycott wouldn't do any > good, however, if we can find ways to convince our sighted colleagues, > friends, relatives and neighbors to purchase only from companies that also > happen to pay attention to accessibility, then, we would have something > useful. :-) > > In many other areas, AOL has actually made great strides forward in > accessibility. AOL's Instant Messenger and Mail services are known to work > well with screen readers. I use AIM on my job to communicate with other > members of my team around the world. > > - Original Message - > From: "TheLearningCenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:32 AM > Subject: Ujnfortunate AOL News and Information > > > For as long as I can recall, which is ever since AOL has been around, their > services have not been that accessible to Blind people. I know I have heard > that they have done some things to make their services more accessible to > us, but it has been a struggle for them to even do anything. I guess I am > wondering why blind people continue to support companies who don't seem to > care anything about our accessability needs and continue to put out products > that make us work very hard at using them. > > Now, about the AOL's new CBS Player, AOL knew of their plan to change their > program, so why couldn't they test and make sure the product is accessible > to screen readers before they installed it. It makes absolutely no sense to > put out a product that is not accessible to all of its users. AOL knows > blind people use their service, especially radio and music playing > components of their system, so why do they continue to disregard us? Maybe > just because they can. > > I don't buy that argument that "business requirements forced them to rush > the product in prior to them wanting to do so. CBS has been around for a > while and I often access their stations and theeir player seems to be > accessible enough. Does the one AOL uses work differently than the CBS > stations would use? > > It sickens me when companies continue to cry about not making things > accessible because of business reasons. We blind people pay our > subscription fees to them, so shouldn't our needs matter too. I think blind > people make up a pretty sizeable market for their types of services. > > My question would also be, if it is so hard to do, then how do other > companies do it. Like someone said, doesn't they (AOL) own Winamp? Why not > use Winamp for their needs? > > I have had enough of this stuff and excuses. I will no longer spend my > money with companies who act this way. I can take my money elsewhere. We > should do this across the board and let those companies who don't seem to > care know what we are doing. Those companies that we have to use, then we > can sue them into complying with the law; those who we only use for pleasure > and entertainment, we should let go. You know, blind people get such > treatment because we accept it and continue to buy stuff that don't work for > us. Companies like Apple, who makes a cell phone with no keyboard or > bluetooth accessability; Intuit (Quicken), who produces an almost totally > inaccessible tax program, even though blind people have to do taxes to and > want and need to do their own taxes; and most of their radio automated > programs (OTSDJ), which require us to always script them into shape; and > many more, who just don't seem to care, should be dropped by us and not > used. I know we will say that we need some of these programs, but these > companies don't seem to care and only give lip service to making their > products more accessible. > > I would say to AOL, "Get your act in Order." Make this product accessible, > it is only a software thing and shouldn't take too long to take care of it. > Excuse time is over and better service is in order. > > Finally, every person who continue to use these types of products despite > their companies' failure to care about our needs are contributing to the > problem; stop keeping them into budsiness to discriminate against you and > put your money where your needs are. If they say, our money is not enough > to make a difference, then let's move on and find a product that meets out > needs. If we need the product and it is the only one around, then sue those > companies into making their products
SV: Irritating with stiream companion.
Hi! I solved the problem. I was not aware of that you couldn't play the 3gp files on the computer with stream companion. /Anders. -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För constantine (on laptop) Skickat: den 5 juni 2008 05:22 Till: PC Audio Discussion List Ämne: Re: Irritating with stiream companion. Hi What makes you think this? In stream companion, go to notes tab, select the stream, hit space on all the notes you want to select? Not that hard...imho, anyway. doesn't take that long, iether. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: "Anders Holmberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: Irritating with stiream companion. > Hello! > One thing i have found out when using the stream companion is that yu > can not select all notes end convert them in to wav files. I think > this is really bad because if you have many notes you'll have a lot > of extra work to do. > Or maybe blind people have extra time in their life-). > /Anders. > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.6/1482 - Release Date: 6/4/2008 7:10 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate NewsFromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Yeah, but yahoo has, at least found a solution; call or email them. In my experience, this has bearly been an inconvenience. I was on the phone in minutes, and I had my acount created by a representitive. Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: "Marsha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate NewsFromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio > You may not like AL very well; however, they have made their capcha > accessable which is more than Yahoo has done. > > Marsha > > > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 11:17 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: talks
Hello Garry, I have some bad news for you man, my cell phone will not support Talks. I say that because the LG VX-8350 wasn't listed among the cell phones that can run Talks. But thanks for the info any way! My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: "Gary King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Re: talks > John, > > Go to: > > http://www.nuance.com/talks/phones.asp > > to see a list of supported phones. > > Gary King > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: talks > > >> Hello Tyler, >> My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: >> http:/./www.verisandwireless.com >> Will Talks work on it? >> My best regards. >> John. >> - Original Message - >> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM >> Subject: Re: talks >> >> >>> Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a >>> screen >>> reader for your phone, as I understand it. >>> >>> >>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! >>> >>> contact details: >>> >>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> skype: the_conman283 >>> >>> system details: >>> Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc >>> AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, >>> Fujitsu >>> 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: talks >>> >>> High Paul, What is Talks? Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for blind people? Thanks. John. - Original Message - From: "Paul Oeser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: talks >I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file > which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see > what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to my > phone? > > My question is how to install talks on the phone? > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: 6/6/2008 >>> 8:01 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate NewsFromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Hi. I think this discussion has really gone beyond what we're supposed to be talking about here so I'll just make my last comment on it by turning things back to some kind of audio related thing here. I understand both points, I see how Darrell feels because on one hand people shouldn't have to jump through all kinds of hoops just to listen to the radio stations they want to. The player should be right there, something that almost anyone can use...I understand that. But as I've said so so many times on every single list I've been on, this idea of "accessibility..it's just so incredibly objective. I've been able to tackle a few programs and websites that some of my friends seem to struggle with all the time, so to me, the website or program in question is accessible to *me* because I know how to use it. However to them, it's not, because they struggle with it. It's a very personal sort of deal. The idea of "accessibility for all" sounds absolutely beautiful, but the fact remains people, that it just isn't going to happen, not without accessibility actually built in when a program, or a media player is *first* designed. CBS Radio has no clue about how many blind people use the net, how the hell should they know? Hell we're probably not even on some of their radar screens. I'm glad that AOL at least understands that this player they plan to use may be difficult for some of us to access. But before we start screaming "lawsuit" and yelling and screaming, let's actually get a look, or maybe I should say listen to the thing so that maybe we can offer them suggestions about how to improve not only the accessibility of it, but maybe the sound quality of it as well. I've heard some of the streams and some of them are a bit weird at times. So let's wait and see what happens when this new player is released and as time goes on let's see how they do. That's really the best idea I have here. At 07:37 PM 6/8/2008, you wrote: >Yeah, but yahoo has, at least found a solution; call or email them. In my >experience, this has bearly been an inconvenience. I was on the phone in >minutes, and I had my acount created by a representitive. > > >Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! > >contact details: > >email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >skype: the_conman283 > >system details: >Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc >AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu >100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio >- Original Message - >From: "Marsha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:01 AM >Subject: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate >NewsFromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio > > > > You may not like AL very well; however, they have made their capcha > > accessable which is more than Yahoo has done. > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1489 - Release Date: 6/7/2008 >11:17 AM > > > >Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >http://www.pc-audio.org > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >__ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 3165 (20080606) __ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: talks
Talks does not work with any Verizon phone, since there are no Verizon phones running the Symbian OS. I'm not really sure how this relates to the subject matter of this list, so just thought I would pop in to say that if anyone does want to discuss cell phones and their use by blind people, you are welcome to join the blind phones list by sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P Sent: Monday, 9 June 2008 12:01 p.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: talks Hello Garry, I have some bad news for you man, my cell phone will not support Talks. I say that because the LG VX-8350 wasn't listed among the cell phones that can run Talks. But thanks for the info any way! My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: "Gary King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:23 PM Subject: Re: talks > John, > > Go to: > > http://www.nuance.com/talks/phones.asp > > to see a list of supported phones. > > Gary King > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - Original Message - > From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: talks > > >> Hello Tyler, >> My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: >> http:/./www.verisandwireless.com >> Will Talks work on it? >> My best regards. >> John. >> - Original Message - >> From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM >> Subject: Re: talks >> >> >>> Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a >>> screen >>> reader for your phone, as I understand it. >>> >>> >>> Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! >>> >>> contact details: >>> >>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> skype: the_conman283 >>> >>> system details: >>> Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc >>> AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, >>> Fujitsu >>> 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" >>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: talks >>> >>> High Paul, What is Talks? Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for blind people? Thanks. John. - Original Message - From: "Paul Oeser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: talks >I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file > which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see > what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to my > phone? > > My question is how to install talks on the phone? > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: 6/6/2008 >>> 8:01 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [gui-talk] Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News FromAmerica Online (AOL) Radio
Hi, Ok, so how do we get the companies to make video game consoles, and video games accessible? I know for a fact that playstation and other games support stereo, 3d, and surround sound. They have for years now. But yet we still cannot play most games. How hard would it be to add some kind of speech to the games or some accessibility features to the games and the consoles? Josh email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jkenn337 - Original Message - From: "Darrell Shandrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Wlodkowski, Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [gui-talk] Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News FromAmerica Online (AOL) Radio > Hello Everyone, > > As an accessibility evangelist, of course, I disagree with any and all > those > who frequently make statements emphasizing our "smallness" and > insignificance in the world at large as a means to justify doing little or > nothing about accessibility challenges. Yes. We are very tiny in number > in > comparison with the rest of the population who is not blind, but that > really > has nothing to do with how well we can make our voices heard in order to > achieve positive changes for the better. One possible metaphore might be > to > compare us with those who profess their faith in the Jewish religion here > in > the United States, which is an incredibly small minority in number as > compared with catholics and evangelical Christians. Despite their small > numbers, the Jewish seem to experience little or no difficulty making > their > needs known and they tend to enjoy great success and wealth in all walks > of > life. > > I'd like to see something similar happen for those of us who are blind. > We > can't look to others to make this happen, but only to ourselves. It must > start with us! We must decide that we are valuable human beings deserving > of our human rights, of the accessibility and equal treatment with our > sighted peers we must enjoy in order to be able to fully participate in > society on a par with the sighted. Though it starts with us, a > technological world dictates that we have equal access to information in > the > information and knowledge age. Accessibility must ultimately be available > if we are to actively and productively participate in such critical areas > of > life as education, employment and leisure. > > We must achieve equality of opportunity through making our own > accessibility > solutions where practical and advocating for reasonable accomodations when > accessibility is required in order for us to participate. The issues boil > down to one of these two needs in all cases. There is no third option of > taking the path of least resistance; not if we want to count ourselves as > fully living and breathing human beings and citizens, possessing the same > inalienable rights and responsibilities already enjoyed by the sighted. > > One excellent example of a project where we are making our own > accessibility > is Benetech's Bookshare project available at http://www.bookshare.org. > Blind people and others with print reading disabilities subscribe to a web > based service where they may download and read from a selection of tens of > thousands of books available in an accessible, electronic format for use > on > their computers and portable assistive technology. This is all made > possible by a team of blind and sighted volunteers who scan books into > electronic format and validators who correct scanning errors and reformat > the books for final entry into the collection. > > Another example of making our own accessibility is the existence of the > blindness access technology industry. We spend tens of thousands of > dollars > on screen readers, Braille displays, scanners with optical character > recognition software, specialized personal digital assistants (PDAs) and a > myriad of other high and low technology items on which we have grown to > depend in order to adapt ourselves to the world. In many cases, > government > agencies purchase some or all of this technology under specific > circumstances, but this is, by no means, guaranteed. > > Despite our own efforts, there often remains a wide gap between that which > we are able to make accessible on our own and that technology which we > must > use in the classroom, on the job, etc. When we are not able to close > these > gaps through our own efforts and assistive technology, reasonable > accomodations on the part of the developer of that technology are required > if we are to be permitted full and equal participation. Failures to > reasonably accomodate our needs often result in the curtailment of > educational opportunities and even the needless loss of jobs! > > As a blind community, we can take actions such as the following to improve > our accessibility to the world o
Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate NewsFromAmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Chris I agree with you entirely. What blind people have to keep in mind that even sighted folks can have problems in using certain pieces of software. Just because someone can see doesn't mean that every peice of software will necessarily work on everyone's pc. Some software is just out of the realm of certain folks for whatever reason. Also, even if a piece of software passed every accessability test (whatever that is supposed to mean) doesn't mean that every blind person will use it without a hitch. Some folks have marginal pc skills so, unless they got handholding at every step, this still might lock them out. As with sighted users, just some audio programs won't work for certain folks. Personally, I could care less about all this as I have never used the AOL player. And I truly wonder how many blind users an AOL player has anyway. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ujnfortunate AOL News and Information
Hi, I agree. and as a person who is trying to get sony to comply with their games and consoles. My brother has a playStation and x-box and a few other systems. I've seen the games he plays, and I know for a fact. that if the companies wanted to make these consoles and games accessible, they could do so in a heartbeat. oh, by the way, the contact form for sony's consumer services is quite accessible. Josh email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jkenn337 - Original Message - From: "TheLearningCenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: Ujnfortunate AOL News and Information > For as long as I can recall, which is ever since AOL has been around, > their services have not been that accessible to Blind people. I know I > have heard that they have done some things to make their services more > accessible to us, but it has been a struggle for them to even do anything. > I guess I am wondering why blind people continue to support companies who > don't seem to care anything about our accessability needs and continue to > put out products that make us work very hard at using them. > > Now, about the AOL's new CBS Player, AOL knew of their plan to change > their program, so why couldn't they test and make sure the product is > accessible to screen readers before they installed it. It makes > absolutely no sense to put out a product that is not accessible to all of > its users. AOL knows blind people use their service, especially radio and > music playing components of their system, so why do they continue to > disregard us? Maybe just because they can. > > I don't buy that argument that "business requirements forced them to rush > the product in prior to them wanting to do so. CBS has been around for a > while and I often access their stations and theeir player seems to be > accessible enough. Does the one AOL uses work differently than the CBS > stations would use? > > It sickens me when companies continue to cry about not making things > accessible because of business reasons. We blind people pay our > subscription fees to them, so shouldn't our needs matter too. I think > blind people make up a pretty sizeable market for their types of services. > > My question would also be, if it is so hard to do, then how do other > companies do it. Like someone said, doesn't they (AOL) own Winamp? Why > not use Winamp for their needs? > > I have had enough of this stuff and excuses. I will no longer spend my > money with companies who act this way. I can take my money elsewhere. We > should do this across the board and let those companies who don't seem to > care know what we are doing. Those companies that we have to use, then we > can sue them into complying with the law; those who we only use for > pleasure and entertainment, we should let go. You know, blind people get > such treatment because we accept it and continue to buy stuff that don't > work for us. Companies like Apple, who makes a cell phone with no > keyboard or bluetooth accessability; Intuit (Quicken), who produces an > almost totally inaccessible tax program, even though blind people have to > do taxes to and want and need to do their own taxes; and most of their > radio automated programs (OTSDJ), which require us to always script them > into shape; and many more, who just don't seem to care, should be dropped > by us and not used. I know we will say that we need some of these > programs, but these companies don't seem to care and only give lip service > to making their products more accessible. > > I would say to AOL, "Get your act in Order." Make this product > accessible, it is only a software thing and shouldn't take too long to > take care of it. Excuse time is over and better service is in order. > > Finally, every person who continue to use these types of products despite > their companies' failure to care about our needs are contributing to the > problem; stop keeping them into budsiness to discriminate against you and > put your money where your needs are. If they say, our money is not enough > to make a difference, then let's move on and find a product that meets out > needs. If we need the product and it is the only one around, then sue > those companies into making their products accessible. > > I heard this stuff fifteen to twenty years ago, when I got my first (PCXT) > and should not be hearing it now; we are trying, but business requirements > make us go backwards or do nothing at all. Let's get our butts in gear > and start demanding better service; there is absolutely no reason why any > software should be inaccessible to blind people, as the technology is > there to make anything accessible. AOL and similar companies should ask > us before emplimenting programs that don't meet our needs and maybe we can > help them know what route to take. > > James Robinson > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and
Re: talks
Hi, and if you want a go phone or trac-phone, go with the nokia n75 with the pay as you go plan and mobile speak or talks. Or you can get a smart phone with mobile speak pocket if it runs windows CE6 or windows mobile6. Josh email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jkenn337 - Original Message - From: "Orhan Deniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:48 AM Subject: Re: talks > Yes, and nearly all of those phones are nokia's I think there is one > seamens > and samsung, but all people I know use talks use them on nokia phones. > and, don't just go out and buy a nokia phone, becuase not all of them > will > work. > It has to be either 2nd generation or 3rd generation symbian, series 60 or > 80. > > check out for the specification of supported phones: > http://nuance.com/talks > > HTH, > Orhan Deniz. > E-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSN/Windows Live ID: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Skype: > Orhan.deniz63 > > Blog: > Http://WorldAndOther.wordpress.com > Twitter: > Http://www.twitter.com/kvp2008 > - Original Message - > From: John covici > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: talks > > > Sorry talks won't work on that phone -- must be using the Symbian > operating system of certain types. > > on Saturday 06/07/2008 DJ DOCTOR P([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote > > Hello Tyler, > > My cell phone, is an LG VX-8350 from: > > http:/./www.verisandwireless.com > > Will Talks work on it? > > My best regards. > > John. > > - Original Message - > > From: "constantine (on laptop)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 PM > > Subject: Re: talks > > > > > > > Tox is a program designed to work on nokia phones. Its basically a > screen > > > reader for your phone, as I understand it. > > > > > > > > > Have a good day from Tyler C. Wood! > > > > > > contact details: > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > skype: the_conman283 > > > > > > system details: > > > Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc > > > AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, > > > Fujitsu > > > 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "DJ DOCTOR P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:19 AM > > > Subject: Re: talks > > > > > > > > >> High Paul, > > >> What is Talks? > > >> Is it some kind of firmware to make the phone more assessable for > blind > > >> people? > > >> Thanks. > > >> John. > > >> - Original Message - > > >> From: "Paul Oeser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" > > >> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM > > >> Subject: talks > > >> > > >> > > >>>I just bought a new cell phone. I have downloaded the talks file > > >>> which is a zip file. I unziped it in to my unzip directory to see > > >>> what it was there are 2 files. I'm assumming that I unzip them to > my > > >>> phone? > > >>> > > >>> My question is how to install talks on the phone? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > >>> http://www.pc-audio.org > > >>> > > >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > >> http://www.pc-audio.org > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG. > > > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1487 - Release Date: > 6/6/2008 > > > 8:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > > http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: > How do > you spend it? > > John Covici > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list,
Easy CDDA Audio Converter
Hi all, I'm using this to convert a bunch of stuff to AAC+ for my N82. Does anyone have some advice regarding how you specify the folder for the converted files? I've managed to get it to the root folder of my D drive, but I want to have the files placed in a folder called d:\aac and am having trouble figuring out how one does that. Thanks, Jonathan Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SV: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio
Hello! Mike i think you're right here. Ok i am not good at american accessibility issues neither american politics. But from my point of view here in Sweden there are many things that is more important than a player. For example crossing the street with no fear, getting help in a store etc etc. There are other pages with i guess similar stations as aol has. Why is aol radio so important to you? Does it have stations that does not excist anywhere or wht is it? /Anders happy but tired. -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Mike Pietruk Skickat: den 8 juni 2008 06:03 Till: PC Audio Discussion List Ämne: Re: Accessibility Evangelism and Unfortunate News From AmericaOnline(AOL) Radio John and Darrell While I sympathize with your cause (and at this point do you guys even know what problems this player will present, if any), blind people in particular and Americans in general have far bigger things on their plate these days then worrying if someone can get at a media player. John, your safely crossing a street deserves 250% greater attention than this CBS/AOL player. Perhaps this player will prove workable via scripts or whatever. Perhaps other players can and will play the same streams. Frankly, I am ffar more concerned about the spiraling cost of gas, how expensive medical care and insurance is, that, in the case of northern Florida, you guys are fighting the Central part of the state over water wrights, and the myriads of other social issues that involve quality of life. Sure, it would be nice if this player worked out of the box; but having watched so many of these blindness evangelist battles, I often have found that the things that get complained about are usable either directly or indirectly. It is not that this isn't important; but there are far more things that ought to be viewed as important and perhaps some values are totally out of whack when quantums of energy get directed to an audio player rather than other things. There aren't unlimited dollars out there; and frankly I have a greater concern that John can get home safely than whether he'll have to use another player to listen to his favorite sports talk show. why? Well, if he cannot get around safely, he won't be able to listen to those shows anyway? And if he cannot afford adequate health care directly or indirectly, he won't be around to listen either. America is going through tough times these days; look at home foreclosures, rising unemployment rates, and all the rest. Politicians cannot embrace the types of things we are talking here at the moment as frankly it is even sad that we can give these things greater importance when there are true hurts out there, not just inconveniences. Yes, I'll be curious Monday to see what this means if anything. However, I am guessing that all of us will be listening to most of the same things we do today, but perhaps in a slightly different way. And before writing off the new AOL player, I would suggest first looking at the product to see if the warnings are warranted. Perhaps they are, but they may not be also. And there are many ways to listen to the same thing. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
