full save
Recent SVN Activity 2007-07-05 04:29 - bursa Add URL file (with the original URL) and Inventory file (listing URLs of objects) to Full Saves. Brilliant! James, many thanks. Tony
full save
Recent SVN Activity 2007-07-05 04:29 - bursa Add URL file (with the original URL) and Inventory file (listing URLs of objects) to Full Saves. Brilliant! James, many thanks. Tony I sent this message yesterday, but nothing appeared. Sorry if it appears twice.
Re: full save
On 6 Jul 2007, Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I sent this message yesterday, but nothing appeared. Sorry if it > appears twice. Apologies. It seems that Yahoo takes a dim view of the new mailing list and had dumped a couple of dozen posts into the spam bin! I've now reset the Yahoo filters and all seems to be well - I hope. Tony
Re: full save
On 7 Jul 2007, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Harriet Bazley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Excellent! > > Agreed, but whilst the application full-save is fresh in the mind: > > Forgive me if I've mentioned it before - I've often thought it, > certainly: > > It would be very useful if the full-save applications could be renamed > without losing the icon sprite. > > There exists, AFAIK in the public domain, a little utility which, when > called from the Run file, will ensure that the first sprite in the > sprites file is named the same as the application name. It is called > !ChkSpr. > > I have incorporated in my generated Pic_Index album applications for > this reason - so they can be usefully renamed without losing the icon. > > The utility is only 457 bytes long, and, even with the Run line is > unlikely to increase the overhead by more than 500 bytes. With NetSurf, the easiest way of doing this is to copy the _file_ ChkSpr (utility) to Boot:Library:User, and then add a Boot file to each NetSurf full-save pseudo-application. The Boot file need contain only: ifthere run:chkspr then chkspr iconsprites .!sprites I had thought that a feature request for this had already been made but, just now, I cannot find it. > Do I need to raise a formal feature request, or will this posting > suffice? I would suggest that a feature request is better, since is easier for the developers (and others) to track it. Tony
Re: full save
On 7 Jul 2007, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I had thought that a feature request for this had already been made > > but, just now, I cannot find it. > > > > Do I need to raise a formal feature request, or will this posting > > > suffice? > > > I would suggest that a feature request is better, since is easier > > for the developers (and others) to track it. > > So am I to assume you think it's a good idea? Yes, I do. I already add a Boot file to any full-save file that I wish to re-name, and it would be much easier if the Boot file were already present. I had thought that I had already made the feature request but, as I said, I cannot find it. I'll leave it to you. Tony
Re: full save
On 8 Jul 2007, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I had thought that a feature request for this had already been made > > but, just now, I cannot find it. > > Have you seen NetSurf's find text facillity? Yes, but I had mistakenly thought that I had submitted the request, so I looked only in my local records. > On http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=464315&group_id=51719 press F4 > and search for "chkspr" or "full save", etc. > > #1580902 -- Add chkspr utility to Full Save -- 19 Oct 2006 Submitted by [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've now added a further comment about Boot vs Run. Tony
Re: full save
On 8 Jul 2007, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've now added a further comment about Boot vs Run. > > Having looked at your comment, I agree with the idea of using a Boot > file to call the utility, but think it should call the utility within > the application directory. Fair enough. > The minuscule increase in overhead is worth it to provide a complete > functional implementation rather than the functionality being > dependent on the presence of the utility in the user's library. I find it more convenient to copy only one item into the full-save directory. However, if all items needed are saved automatically, this would no longer be relevant. > I may add this as a note after others have had the opportunity to > discuss it. As for me, please do so. Tony
Re: full save
--- John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The existing ChkSpr utility seems to think the underscore is not a > legal character for naming sprites and leaves them out. Thus a > trivial renaming which continues to include underscores in the first > 10 (or so) characters will fail to give the desired effect. > > So it seems we will require someone clever to 'correct' this > behaviour in ChkSpr before the scheme is practicable. This has been done already by David Pitt. Please see http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.netsurf.devel/5912/focus=6021 I can't easily get to any further details at the moment - at home we're in the middle of a scheduled 12 hour power outage, so I'm in an internet cafe struggling with Yahoo and Gmane. Tony ___ Juggling multiple email accounts? Why bother? Consolidate them all in Yahoo! Mail with our quick, easy tool. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/trueswitch_overview
Re: full save
On 14 Jul 2007, tony moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The existing ChkSpr utility seems to think the underscore is not a > > legal character for naming sprites and leaves them out. Thus a > > trivial renaming which continues to include underscores in the first > > 10 (or so) characters will fail to give the desired effect. > > > > So it seems we will require someone clever to 'correct' this > > behaviour in ChkSpr before the scheme is practicable. > > This has been done already by David Pitt. Please see > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.netsurf.devel/5912/focus=6021 > > I can't easily get to any further details at the moment David's fixed chkspr is at http://www.pittdj.co.uk/software/index.htm Tony
full-save url-file
NetSurf (05 Jul 2007 04:30) introduced the much welcomed feature: 'Add URL file (with the original URL) and Inventory file (listing URLs of objects) to Full Saves.' The feature is missing from NetSurf 1.1 (13 Aug 2007), but I'm pleased to see that it has returned in Netsurf (20 Aug 2007 02:45) r3529. I had assumed that 1.1 would consolidate the features of the development versions, up to that date, but that seems to be incorrect. Could someone please describe the relationship between the numbered, and the development versions. Tony
Re: full-save url-file
On 21 Aug 2007, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > I had assumed that 1.1 would consolidate the features of the > > development versions, up to that date, but that seems to be > > incorrect. > > Indeed, that is incorrect. No new features will appear in release > versions until 2.0. > > > Could someone please describe the relationship between the numbered, > > and the development versions. [snip explanation] > The upshot of this is that only major revision number changes carry > new features. The minor revision numbers reflect maintenance > releases. Rob, many thanks for that - all is clear now! Tony
Re: Suggestion about Netsurf website
On 14 Sep 2007, Paul Vigay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I keep links to Netsurf, Builds and Bugs on my local home page which > > opens whenever I run any browser except firefox. Or you could just > > bookmark it. > > Yeah. I might just add a link direct on my intranet page. I don't use > the bookmarks in NetSurf, mainly because it seems a bit intermittent > and occasionally loses the entire bookmarks file for no apparent > reason If you keep backup copies of all the files in Choices:WWW.NetSurf , any of them can be reinstated if lost or corrupted. Tony
bbc 'new look' website
In http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/over_to_you.shtml the BBC says that "Over the coming months the BBC World Service will be working on creating a new look and feel to the English site and we could really use listeners help. ... To join in the discussions ... please visit ... http://www.virtualsurveysdiscussion.com/news/express-signup " For me, using NetSurf, that link redirects to 'Access denied ...' at http://www.virtualsurveysdiscussion.com/news/init-survey and no obvious way of creating a new account. Does anyone else fare better? Tony
Re: [Netsurf-develop] YahooGroups
On 17 Sep 2007, John Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] John, I've just noticed that you posted to the old mailing list. The current address is Tony
Re: [Netsurf-develop] YahooGroups
On 18 Sep 2007, Evan Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > https://login.yahoo.com/config/login_verify2?.intl=us&.src=ygrp&.done=http%3a//tech.groups.yahoo.com%2Fgroup%2Fdp2discuss%2Fmessages > > still logs in to dp2discuss, using NetSurf (29 Aug 2007) r3535. > > > Have I missed something? > > Maybe you opted earlier to be kept logged in. Not as far as I know. In fact I usually log-out, after visiting the website. What happens if you click on my link, above? If it works, you could easily change to point to other groups. Tony
Re: [Netsurf-develop] YahooGroups
On 18 Sep 2007, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 18 Sep 2007 Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 18 Sep 2007, Evan Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >>Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [snip] > > >>> https://login.yahoo.com/config/login_verify2?.intl=us&.src=ygrp&.done= > >>> http%3a//tech.groups.yahoo.com%2Fgroup%2Fdp2discuss%2Fmessages > >>> still logs in to dp2discuss, using NetSurf (29 Aug 2007) r3535. > >> > >>> Have I missed something? > >> > >> Maybe you opted earlier to be kept logged in. > > > Not as far as I know. In fact I usually log-out, after visiting the > > website. What happens if you click on my link, above? If it works, you > > could easily change to point to other groups. > > I had already tried that, and I got the non-working sign-in page. The link above is broken. You did join the two lines before clicking? Tony
Re: History Q
On 1 Oct 2007, Dave Symes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does NetSurf have a configurable Remove items from Global History > after NN Days or weeks? > > Or do I have to do it manually? No. Set Choices... > Security > Site history Tony
Re: History Q
On 2 Oct 2007, Dave Symes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1 Oct 2007, Dave Symes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Does NetSurf have a configurable Remove items from Global History > > > after NN Days or weeks? > > > > > > Or do I have to do it manually? > > > No. Set Choices... > Security > Site history > > > Tony > > Thanks for that... > Which at present is set at 3 days. But my Global History now has three > weeks worth starting 15th Sept. It doesn't work quite as it should. My copy is also set to three days, and the majority of entries _are_ wiped correctly, however '2 weeks ago' and '3 weeks ago' always contain a few stragglers. These eventually fall off the end of the queue, so it's not a major issue. The matter was discussed here a long while ago, and I thought that a bug report had been made, but I can't find it now. Would you like to report it, or shall I? [snip] Tony
Re: History Q
On 2 Oct 2007, Dave Symes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The matter was discussed here a long while ago, and I thought that a > > bug report had been made, but I can't find it now. Would you like to > > report it, or shall I? [snip] > Please. You can [snip] Done: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1806826&group_id=51719&atid=464312 Tony
Re: separator icon
On 6 Oct 2007, Gavin Wraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apologies if this has been raised before, but I could not find a > search facility for the maillist archive. If you mean Hotlist, there is no search facility. > When it comes to editing the toolbar, the separator icon is hard to > pick up, if you do not know it is there It would be easier to find if it had a black border - on the editing bar only. > seeing that its whole purpose is to be invisible. This suggests that > on the editbar the separator icon should be represented by something > else of the same size; perhaps by a "pseparator" icon? Or is this > already implemented but the theme I am using does not know about it? I believe that all the themes are the same. Tony
bizarre redraw problem
When NetSurf (30 Sep 2007) r3613 displays http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx if the vertical scroll bar is moved down, bits of the Windows logo and the search box overwrite the NetSurf toolbar. Using a StrongED window, to wipe away the mess, causes the StrongED window to be overwritten too. Is this a NetSurf or RISC OS 6.06 problem? Tony
Re: bizarre redraw problem
On 7 Oct 2007, John McCartney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian > Howlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6 Oct, Tony Moore wrote: > > > > When NetSurf (30 Sep 2007) r3613 displays > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx if the > > > vertical scroll bar is moved down, bits of the Windows logo and > > > the search box overwrite the NetSurf toolbar. Using a StrongED > > > window, to wipe away the mess, causes the StrongED window to be > > > overwritten too. > > > > Is this a NetSurf or RISC OS 6.06 problem? > > > It doesn't happen with the 4-10-07 21:30 r3622 build, on Iyonix with > > RO5.13 > > Same NetSurf build here on VRPC-SA Adjust (RISC OS 4.39) and I *do* > get the effect. It can be wiped away with any window or menu. I've also tried NetSurf (04 Oct 2007) r3622 and find that the effect occurs with RO6.06 and RO4.39. As John says, _any_ window can wipe the mess, but that window too is then contaminated. I've submitted a bug report http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1808893&group_id=51719&atid=464312 and attached a screen grab showing the effect http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=51719&atid=464312&file_id=248602&aid=1808893 Tony
Re: bizarre redraw problem
On 7 Oct 2007, "David J. Ruck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7 Oct 2007 Brian Howlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 6 Oct, Tony Moore wrote: > > > When NetSurf (30 Sep 2007) r3613 displays > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx if the > > > vertical scroll bar is moved down, bits of the Windows logo and > > > the search box overwrite the NetSurf toolbar. Using a StrongED > > > window, to wipe away the mess, causes the StrongED window to be > > > overwritten too. > > >> Is this a NetSurf or RISC OS 6.06 problem? > > > It doesn't happen with the 4-10-07 21:30 r3622 build, on Iyonix with > > RO5.13 > > Does with r3622 on 5.13 here. Michael Drake has now commented, via the bug tracker, that the effect is seen only if page menu > Display > Render > 'Buffer all rendering' is unset. If 'Buffer all rendering' is set, the problem disappears. Tony
Re: Greedy little...
On 16 Oct 2007, "David J. Ruck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I have noticed over the last few weeks of test builds that whenever I > look at the task manager, even soon after starting up, NetSurf has > already filled up its DA with 128MB, which didn't previously happen > until you browsed a lot of sites with images. > > Its not a big problem for me as I don't use all of the Iyonix's 512M > memory very often, but on a Risc PC this will potentially eat > everything. Doesn't seem to be a problem here. Using NetSurf (10 Oct 2007) r3631 running on RPC 128MB RO6.06, I've just looked at half a dozen websites, including BBC News, and the DA memory used is less than 10MB. Until I tried Dave Symes' search, at the start of this thread, I'd not seen 'running out of memory', for a long time, despite frequent use. > Plus I don't think NetSurf's memory settings are having any affect on > limiting the DA. Image memory, both direct and compressed, is set to automatic handling. Tony
Re: Multitasking (not)
On 21 Oct 2007, "David J. Ruck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 20 Oct 2007 Jess Hampshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have noticed that sometimes Netsurf singletasks. > > Well thats really going to help developers track down the > circumstances. It's been discussed before. Single-tasking occurs whenever objects are fetched from a secondary url - two timers appear in the status bar and NetSurf single-tasks until the second timer completes, or times-out. I thought that a bug report had been filed, but I cannot find it for now. [snip] Tony
Re: Multitasking (not)
On 21 Oct 2007, Jess Hampshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 21 Oct 2007, "David J. Ruck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 20 Oct 2007 Jess Hampshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I have noticed that sometimes Netsurf singletasks. > > > > > > Well thats really going to help developers track down the > > > circumstances. > > > > It's been discussed before. Single-tasking occurs whenever objects > > are fetched from a secondary url - two timers appear in the status > > bar and NetSurf single-tasks until the second timer completes, or > > times-out. I thought that a bug report had been filed, but I cannot > > find it for now. > > I hadn't pinned down the circumstances, I hadn't thought of it as a > bug as such, but if it is, it'll be nice when it's fixed. I've found the bug report now, filed on 1 June 2007 by Harriet Bazley http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1729711&group_id=51719&atid=464312 and still assigned to 'nobody', unfortunately. Tony
Re: Cookies problem again?
On 30 Oct 2007, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just wondering whether this problem has re-occurred or whether this is > just an awkward site? > > URI 100# NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (15 Oct 2007 23:00) r3633 > > http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cookie_setting_error.html > Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies Which URL led to that error message? Tony
Re: Cookies problem again?
On 31 Oct 2007, Evan Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > And for anyone interested, it's now possible to log in to Yahoo > Groups. I've never had any problem logging in to Yahoo Groups, or Yahoo Mail, but NetSurf builds later than 30 Sep 2007, including r3638, display my Yahoo Mail inbox as a completely blank page. I've filed a bug report, including the page html source, at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1815016&group_id=51719&atid=464312 Fortunately I have an SMTP account, so that I don't often visit the web, but I'd be interested to know if others also see a blank page. Tony
Re: New Builds
On 11 Nov 2007, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 10:01 +, John Williams wrote: > > > I have experienced difficulties finding out about new builds because > > (presumably) my ISP (NTL) caches pages. The more often I check, the > > less likely, it seems, to find them! Try subscribing to cia.navi.cx/stats/project/NetSurf/.rss Tony
Re: New Builds
On 11 Nov 2007, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Try subscribing to cia.navi.cx/stats/project/NetSurf/.rss > > A useful suggestion - but: > > It involves having Ticker being constantly loaded or invoked. Hermes fetches RSS feeds, which may contain several updates, and MPro displays new items, together with other email. I don't know if this can be done with Pluto (which your headers show you to be using). > The current message bears today's date - but lists (today) the > improvements made to 5th November. The last item which I received, on 5 November, was dated 5 November and concerned NetSurf r3651 (which _is_ a new version). > This it doesn't tell me there's actually a new version unless I've > memorised the last 'improvement'. Agreed, that a new RO build is not _necessarily_ implied by SVN change but, certainly, if there is _no_ SVN change there will _not_ be one. Using dialup, I launch the 10-minute wget-download only if the SVN change-details suggest that a new version exists. If unsure, I check the download page, first. Tony
Re: New Builds
On 12 Nov 2007, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Using dialup, > > Same here ATM. > > > I launch the 10-minute wget-download > > Mine uses cURL > > > only if the SVN change-details suggest that a new version exists. If > > unsure, I check the download page, first. > > Which is where I came in - the download page does not, here, always > show updates. Rob will correct me if I am wrong, but I understand that a new RISC OS build will not follow SVN changes related to documentation files, etc., or, obviously, if the changes are Linux related. > I had assumed this was due to a cache somewhere along the line, as I > can fool it by adding a fictional PHP-type query to the URL. > > Unfortunately NetSurf remembers all these, and I am running out of > inventiveness. It would be better if it didn't happen - which was why > I requested that the page didn't allow itself to be cached. NetSurf doesn't cache pages between sessions and, within the same session, the re-load button will fetch the page again. > Rob tells me NTL don't cache anymore, so I'm at a loss as to what is > going on! Maybe there's no cache problem - if there's no new build, you'll see the same page every time. Tony
Re: New Builds
On 12 Nov 2007, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maybe there's no cache problem - if there's no new build, you'll see > > the same page every time. > > In my earlier posting, Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you > will see that I wrote: > > > Using the query string trick, I managed to have the current and > > previous versions on my screen, reloadable, concurrently. > > Which means that there was a new version page, but the standard URL > gave a reloadable version of the older page. > > This was/is my problem. I cannot see - unless it is a cache problem - > how http://www.netsurf-browser.org/builds/ gives the old page, whilst > a URL of, say, http://www.netsurf-browser.org/builds/?a=rubbish can > give the current (new) page. Both consistently. > > I don't know how to make this any clearer. It's clear now - sorry that I didn't read your earlier post properly. You see the old and new pages simultaneously when you use NetSurf, but what happens when you use a different browser? If the problem persists, it would suggest that NetSurf is not causing it. [snip] Tony
bbc beta
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/14/bbc_hompage_update/ may be of interest. The beta home page is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/beta/ and a justification (with bbc owl) and discussion is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2007/12/a_lick_of_paint_for_the_bbc_ho.html Tony
Re: Background colours
On 16 Dec 2007, Dave Symes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Got a problem... guess there is an answer but can't seem to find it. > > Silly people create sites with black backgrounds, then plonk grey text > on it... or Dark blue text. > > In Oregano, If I tick Off the "Use Document colours" the black > background is replaced with white and I can see the grey text. > > Is there a comparable option in NetSurf? I'm using NS (02 Dec 2007 > 06:00) Ctrl-A selects all the text, which is then readable - but, of course, the layout is then not quite as intended. Tony
netsurf buttonbar
Anyone who, like me, has difficulty in remembering keyboard shortcuts, may be interested in http://oldcoaster.drobe.co.uk/ns_bbar.zip [30KB] Tony
Re: netsurf buttonbar
On 2 Jan 2008, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anyone who, like me, has difficulty in remembering keyboard shortcuts, > > may be interested in http://oldcoaster.drobe.co.uk/ns_bbar.zip [30KB] > > Looks good. Thanks. > I don't know if you knew but three of the functions are already > available from NetSurf's own toolbar. If you click menu over NetSurf's > toolbar and select "Edit toolbar", you can drag extra icons onto the > toolbar. Thank you for the reminder - I had forgotten about that. > There is a Print icon Which, as you say, has the same function. > and the Save icon provides "Save as HTML" on select clicks and "Full > save" on adjust clicks. Here, I prefer my own, which allow the writable icons to be cleared, on adjust clicks. [snip] Tony
Re: netsurf buttonbar
On 2 Jan 2008, Paul Vigay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > > > Just one minor point though - when you click on a link that throws > > up a save dialogue, the button bar is attached to the dialogue box. > > I don't think this was intended. [replying here because the original has not arrived] As you say, not intended, but to fix it would require changes to ButtonBar itself, which I didn't write. As it stands, the buttonbar attaches itself to any NetSurf window which has input focus - including Hotlist, Global History and Cookies, where at least the navigation buttons are useful. > Also, another minor point is that when you click on a button and > NetSurf /doesn't/ have the caret I can't reproduce that here. When a NetSurf window loses input focus, its buttonbar closes. > odd things happen to other applications. I suspect this is because the > button bar is simply passing certain keypresses onto the wimp (for any > other application to act on). It might be better to detect whether or > not NetSurf has the caret or not As far as I know, ButtonBar already does this. [snip] Tony
Re: netsurf buttonbar
On 2 Jan 2008, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (but post recieved three days later): > On 2 Jan 2008 Tony Moore wrote: > > > Anyone who, like me, has difficulty in remembering keyboard shortcuts, > > may be interested in http://oldcoaster.drobe.co.uk/ns_bbar.zip [30KB] > > Thanks Tony, that should be useful though page up/down and cursor > controls aren't really a problem to remember. That's true but, when reading a web page, I prefer to move around using only the mouse. > It would be nice to have buttons to save the page location as > URL/URI/text. Using BBarEdit http://www.flypig.co.uk/dnload/dnload/utilities/bbar.zip it's very simple to add/remove buttons to/from the buttonbar. [snip] Tony
bug tracker filesize
I have just attempted to report a bug, and 134K zipped log file, to http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=51719&atid=464312 but it was rejected with the error '500 - Internal Server Error'. I suspect that this may have been caused by the size of the attached file, but there is no indication on the report page the maximum size. May I suggest that the pink box, on the report page, should contain a note as to the maximum acceptable size of file - if there is one. The bug was an instance of pressing f4, to search, crashing NetSurf. I believe that this may have been reported before - and I thought that it had been fixed - but the bug persists in NetSurf r3800 under RO6.06. Please let me know if anyone would like to see the log file. Tony
Re: bug tracker filesize
On 31 Jan 2008, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 31 Jan 2008 Tony Moore wrote: > > > I have just attempted to report a bug, and 134K zipped log file, to > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=51719&atid=464312 > > but it was rejected with the error '500 - Internal Server Error'. > > > I suspect that this may have been caused by the size of the attached > > file, but there is no indication on the report page the maximum > > size. > > No, if you submit a file that's too long you get a corrupted response > screen, not a 500 error. That's another unspecified problem. When I saw the error, I assumed that the bug report had been rejected but, on inspecting the tracker, I find that the report and attachment _are_ both present. As you say, 500 must be another problem. > > May I suggest that the pink box, on the report page, should contain > > a note as to the maximum acceptable size of file - if there is one. > > It's more like 300kB. Is that mentioned anywhere in the SourceForge documentation? Tony
Re: Tracker login problems
On 1 Feb 2008, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1 Feb 2008 Michael Drake wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I used to be permanently logged in to the tracker. Now I am told > > > to log in every time, and then when I log in I get the response > > > "Error: choose a group" instead of being sent back to the tracker. > > > What group? > > > Sourceforge use a session cookie for your login. It expires when you > > quit NetSurf so you have to log in again next session. Firefox > > behaves in the same way. > > This is new - I used to stay logged in. Today, I complained to SourcForge, that it is inconvenient to have to log-in for every bug-report, and I have just received the following response from Daniel Hinojosa: Ya, I agree. There was an issue back in the fall that caused us to turn this off for now. Reference the Site Status (https://sourceforge.net/docs/A04/) page for details. On this issue, that is here: (2007-12-05 14:27:43 - SourceForge.net Web Site) On 2007-12-05 starting at 9:44 AM Pacific until 12:55 PM Pacific there was an issue with user misattribution that could impact users who post to forums, trackers, etc. could be attributed to. This did not allow for permissions escalation or anything other than making posts as another user to the site features, project services (such as shell, CVS, SVN, etc.) are not affected. This issue was related to a defect in the remember me feature, which we have now disabled. We are working on fixing item attribution, but welcome any Support Requests reporting item misattribution. Tony
Re: Running out of memory
On 24 Feb 2008, "David Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > NetSurf is running out of memory etc I had several windows > open ...(I say "had" because the machine decided to hang when I went > to count them)...at least four I seem to remember reading about this > problem before. If so how do I find List Archives? http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.netsurf.devel [snip] > Up date : I find that even after shutdown and reboot the site I was > trying to access brings up the message any time I try to access it > viz: www.isogg.org With 90MB free memory, I see the 'Running out of memory ...' warning immediately NetSurf connects to that URL, ie when no significant fetch has taken place. (NetSurf 17 Feb 2008 r3859). Tony
Re: Running out of memory
On 25 Feb 2008, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 24 Feb 2008, "David Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If so how do I find List Archives? > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.netsurf.devel > > That's a mirror of the developer's mailing list. Seems it's time to update my Hotlist - sorry to muddy the waters! Tony
error pages
In recent SVN Activity, I had hoped that 2008-02-27 18:48 - jmb - r3871 - (in trunk/netsurf) Explicitly mark error pages as non-fresh so they'll get purged from the cache ASAP would provide a fix for http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1675059&group_id=51719&atid=464312 which concerns the inability of NetSurf to re-load a page, if a previous attamept to fetch it had been made while the machine was offline. Unfortunately, not. Tony
Re: Group still active?
On 21 Mar 2008, Brian Howlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 21 Mar, glavallin wrote: > > > Hello All > > > This is a bit of a test as I have not received any posts this month. > > Perhaps I should re-subscribe? > > Well, this one came through all right, but besides this I appear to > have received 15 other posts so far this month. Here, 41 other posts since 1 March. It seems that you've missed some. Tony
Re: NetSurf 1.2 released
On 22 Mar 2008, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > The NetSurf developers are happy to announce the immediate > availability of NetSurf 1.2. John-Mark Many thanks for all your efforts, which have gone into NetSurf, over the years, and which have produced such a remarkable application. Thank you too for the pesonalised announcement of 1.2 - which I guess was sent to those who had posted to the mailing list - a nice touch. Tony
Re: UnSubbing
On 27 Mar 2008, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I haven't worked out how to show headers in webmail - details to > unsub please! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony
Re: Illegal window handle
On 13 May 2008, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a new one on me - when I clicked on the icon bar icon to open > a window there was a bleep. Underneeath the NetSurf window there was a > warning: "An unexpected Window Manager error occurred: Illegal window > handle". It happens every time a new NS window is opened. NetSurf version? Tony
filetypes
I'm editing a document comprising many HTML pages. Each page refers to example files, located in a sub-directory in the same directory as the HTML page. On each page Examples opens an index page for the sub-directory holding the example files, which can then be 'downloaded'. Using NetSurf r4179, common files (GIF, HTML, JPEG, Obey, PNG, Sprite, Text) download correctly filetyped, however BASIC and DrawFile files download as Data, and DPscript files download as Database. Initially, I thought that the MimeMap was incorrect but, when using Fresco 2.13 _all_ files download correctly filetyped and, so far as I can see, both Fresco and NetSurf use the same MimeMap. Can anyone please suggest what may be wrong? Tony
Re: filetypes
On 21 May 2008, Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm editing a document comprising many HTML pages. Each page refers to > example files, located in a sub-directory in the same directory as the > HTML page. On each page Examples > opens an index page for the sub-directory holding the example files, > which can then be 'downloaded'. > > Using NetSurf r4179, common files (GIF, HTML, JPEG, Obey, PNG, Sprite, > Text) download correctly filetyped, however BASIC and DrawFile files > download as Data, and DPscript files download as Database. > > Initially, I thought that the MimeMap was incorrect but, when using > Fresco 2.13 _all_ files download correctly filetyped and, so far as I > can see, both Fresco and NetSurf use the same MimeMap. Maybe the above is not clear enough, so I've put a demo file at http://oldcoaster.drobe.co.uk/filetypes.zip [20KB]. Could someone please look at it and tell me what I've misunderstood - or why, apparently, Fresco out-performs NetSurf? Tony
corrupted hotlist thumbnails
I've just noticed that, in my copy of NetSurf r4179, _none_ of the Hotlist thumbnail images is correct. Some relate to other websites, in the Hotlist. Others are thumbnails of complete images in other websites. I seldom look at the thumbnails, so the corruption may have occurred some time ago. Does anyone else have this problem? Tony
Re: filetypes
On 23 May 2008, James Bursa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 22 May 2008, Tony Moore wrote: [snip problem] > This is a bug or artifact of the way NetSurf handles local files. [snip] > There are two possible solutions: > > 1. Add lines for all those types to MimeMap (although you'd probably >have to make up some MIME types) That would mean that anyone wanting to read the document would have to change their MimeMap. > 2. NetSurf could somehow preserve the file type information too for >local files Shall I post a bug report, or is this exchange sufficient? Tony
Re: filetypes
On 23 May 2008, James Bursa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > There are two possible solutions: [snip] > 2. NetSurf could somehow preserve the file type information too for >local files >From the RSS feed: Use local filetype directly, if we're "downloading" a local file Commit by jmb:: r4189 Many thanks for that. Unfortunately, it seems that _all_ filetypes are now unknown, and download as Text. Tony
Re: filetypes
On 23 May 2008, Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23 May 2008, James Bursa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > There are two possible solutions: > > [snip] > > > 2. NetSurf could somehow preserve the file type information too for > >local files > > >From the RSS feed: > >Use local filetype directly, if we're "downloading" a local file >Commit by jmb:: r4189 > > Many thanks for that. Unfortunately, it seems that _all_ filetypes are > now unknown, and download as Text. RSS feed: Unescape URL before attempting to read filetype Commit by jmb:: r4195 Brilliant! Now all the local files 'download' correctly filetyped. Many thanks indeed. Tony
Re: How do I get MIDI files to read in Sibelius?
On 29 May 2008, Michael Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I have now installed the latest Netsurf, the same as you have, (28 Apr > 200 11:15) r4110, and actually that is what I had before, there hasn't > been an update for a month! There have been several. I'm using r4210, which may not be the latest. Try http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/development/netsurf.zip > There's no change in performance. > > I have Sibelius installed on the Iconbar You don't need to have Sibelius installed to download a MIDI file. > and at the bottom of the window :- > > http://www.contemplator.com/midimusic/pontchar.mid > > I get the message OK(0.7s) Converting 14919 bytes, so it seems that > Netsurf is RECEIVING data, but cannot display it. 14919 is the correct length of that MIDI file, so it has been received but, as you say, NetSurf cannot display it. You need to force NetSurf to download the file, without attempting to display it: Hold down and select-click the link (on the page containing the original link). First, you will see a blank NetSurf window, over which a download dialogue box should open. Drag the MIDI icon from the dialogue box, to wherever you wish to save the file. Then drop the saved file into Sibelius. Tony
export pdf
An RSS feed on 15 Jun 2008 says that This enables "Export PDF" in RISC OS build: - Docs/Doxyfile(PREDEFINED): Added... Commit by joty:: r4337 [snip] Add 'Export->PDF' menu entry.riscos/menus.h(menu_action): [snip] but I cannot find "Export PDF" in the r4339 build. Have I misunderstood something? Tony
Re: export pdf
On 17 Jun 2008, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Tony Moore wrote: > > > An RSS feed on 15 Jun 2008 says that > > > > This enables "Export PDF" in RISC OS build: - > > Docs/Doxyfile(PREDEFINED): Added... Commit by joty:: r4337 > > [snip] > > Add 'Export->PDF' menu entry.riscos/menus.h(menu_action): > > [snip] > > > > but I cannot find "Export PDF" in the r4339 build. Have I > > misunderstood something? > > Yes -- "(in branches/adamblokus/netsurf)". > > Test builds are only created for trunk/netsurf. Thanks. Will that branch eventually be merged with the trunk? Tony
Re: export pdf
On 17 Jun 2008, John Tytgat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 17 Jun 2008, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > > > I cannot find "Export PDF" in the r4339 build. Have I > > > > misunderstood something? > > > > > > Yes -- "(in branches/adamblokus/netsurf)". > > > > > > Test builds are only created for trunk/netsurf. > > > > Thanks. Will that branch eventually be merged with the trunk? > > Yes, that's the intention. BTW, this is work in progress by one of > our GSoC students Adam Blokus, cfr his introduction in this mailing > list about a month ago. Excellent work! Tony
Re: Halting problem
On 19 Jun 2008, Chris Terran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Before reporting this on the tracker, I'd be grateful for confirmation > that it happens on other people's setups. I'm not totally sure it's a > NetSurf problem. > > Go to http://www.shutterstock.com/ Enter something in the search box > (eg "fruit"). Wait until the page has rendered, then click on "Next". > > After 4 or 5 repeats of clicking on "Next" (it varies), the whole > thing grinds to a halt, with fewer and fewer thumbnails being > displayed. When that happens, how much memory is free? > Other network problems also start to appear -- Oregano2 sometimes > won't start, News Ticker freezes, and NS won't display new pages. > > Quitting NS seems to reset things. Because its DA memory has benn released? [snip] Tony
Re: Halting problem
On 19 Jun 2008, "David J. Ruck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19 Jun 2008 Chris Terran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > After 4 or 5 repeats of clicking on "Next" (it varies), the whole > > thing grinds to a halt, with fewer and fewer thumbnails being > > displayed. > > > Other network problems also start to appear -- Oregano2 sometimes > > won't start, News Ticker freezes, and NS won't display new pages. > > > Quitting NS seems to reset things. > > Sounds like its eating sockets. My older version of NS uses up to 20 > rendering the pages, but seems to give them back agaim. > > Run !SktCtr (http://www.pittdj.co.uk/software/index.htm to monitor the > number of free sockets during rendering. My SARPC, 128MB, RO6.06, NS (17 Jun 2008) r4376, fetched pages 1-12 simultaneously, without any problem. The socket count reduced from 89 to 69, and then returned to 89, when the fetch was complete. NetSurf used about 10MB of memory. The machine behaved normally throughout. Tony
Re: Altering default window size
On 28 Jul 2008, Tricia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm fairly sure I did know how to alter the default size of the window > in NetSurf but have forgotten (senior moments in spades these days) > and although I've looked in the archives cannot find the information. Open the window as you wish it to be, then menu over the window > Utilities > Window > Set as default position. Tony
Re: Spurious
On 12 Aug 2008, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > This fault is extremely sensitive to what else is on the page. Try running the html through Tidy. The RISC OS port is at http://www.archifishal.co.uk/software/riscos/tidy.shtml and a user guide by Dave Raggett is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/ *tidy -mi will fix any bugs and 'pretty print' the html (take a copy first in case you wish to compare the input and output). Tony
Re: Spurious
On 12 Aug 2008, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 12 Aug 2008 Tony Moore wrote: > > On 12 Aug 2008, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > This fault is extremely sensitive to what else is on the page. > > > Try running the html through Tidy. The RISC OS port is at > > http://www.archifishal.co.uk/software/riscos/tidy.shtml and a user > > guide by Dave Raggett is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/ > > Well that's not really the point. I have modified the page so that the > fault doesn't appear. It's very hard to replicate and I can't easily > raise a bug report Is the problem with NetSurf, or your file? > without going to a lot of trouble to remove all the login details from > the formlets. > > > *tidy -mi will fix any bugs and 'pretty print' the html > > (take a copy first in case you wish to compare the input and > > output). > > The html is well laid-out and I don't want it "pretty-printed"! No problem. *tidy without switches, will report any errors in a throwback window, without changing the original html file. Tony
Re: Degraded multi-tasking?
On 4 Nov 2008, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, Rob Kendrick wrote: > > On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:46:02 GMT Dave Higton > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have the impression that recent versions of NetSurf have poorer > > > multi-tasking while a page is being loaded. I just observed > > > !Alarm freezing for 16 seconds, during which nothing but the mouse > > > cursor moved, of course. > > > > How recent? Can you compare to earlier versions to find the > > revision it seems faster in? > > Indeed. Also, can you give any indication of what stage NetSurf may be > at in handling whichever page causes the problem? The status bar > contents may shed some light on the issue, particularly if it's > started fetching. If it's stalled /before/ fetching, then it could be > having difficulty performing DNS resolution. > > Effectively, without much more information, we're basically poking > around in the dark. Harriet Bazley reported this problem to the bug tracker, in June 2007. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1729711&group_id=51719&atid=464312 Her description Recent builds of Netsurf display a habit of single-tasking for extended periods while 'secondary' downloads are taking place, i.e. progress indicated to the right of the main percentage display at the bottom of the page. While this is happening nothing on the entire desktop updates except for the figures on Netsurf's progress indicator, which change very rapdily in tenths of a second. corresponds exactly with what, frequently, still happens here. Tony
Re: Degraded multi-tasking?
On 5 Nov 2008, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Rob Kendrick wrote: > > > NetSurf working with WebJames on the same machine working at all is > > already a miracle. We spent many hours trying to discover the cause > > of the deadlock, but to no avail. I seem to recall we pointed the > > finger of blame at the RISC OS networking stack, as well as the > > co-operative multi-tasking. There's no reason it /should/ be > > blocking, but does it. Perhaps now the sources the the IP stack are > > available, somebody might spend some time making it less dreadful. > > It's a timing-based issue. So that NetSurf can do work when busy, it > will only poll the Wimp every N centiseconds (wnere N is some number I > can't recall ottomh -- see gui_multitask in riscos/gui.c for the "do > we poll the Wimp this time" logic). Removing this logic results in the > thing working fine. There is utterly no good explanation for this > being the case. Therefore, I'm utterly unwilling to remove this logic. > Not least as it will make NetSurf significantly less performant in > every other situation. Does that explain the single-tasking, which occurs when WebJames is _not_ in the frame? Here, the appearance of NetSurf's secondary timer indicates that single-tasking is in progress and, if the remote object is not found, one has to wait for NetSurf to abort the fetch. Tony
parsing error
Using NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (21 Oct 2008 18:15) r5612 both the following urls http://www.timeco.com.cn/pages/24.htm http://www.timeco.com.cn/pages/25.htm lead to the message 'Parsing the document failed.' Can anyone else please confirm this? Using NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (05 Aug 2008 10:00) r4912 (immediately prior to incorporation of the new html parser) both pages load without problem. Tony
Re: parsing error
On 5 Nov 2008, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5 Nov 2008 Tony Moore wrote: > > > Using NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (21 Oct 2008 18:15) r5612 both the following > > urls > > >http://www.timeco.com.cn/pages/24.htm > >http://www.timeco.com.cn/pages/25.htm > > > lead to the message 'Parsing the document failed.' > > > Can anyone else please confirm this? > > Yes, this happens with r5649. Thanks. I've now submitted a bug report https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2226692&group_id=51719&atid=464312 Tony
Re: Changing address in the address bar
On 28 Nov 2008, Alan Calder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >Xavier Tardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there any easy way to change the address in the address bar ? > > Double clicking doesn't do anything, and I can't do better than > > erasing the address to type a new one. > > Double-clicking certainly highlights the existing address for me. I > agree that typing in a new address doesn't work as might be expected > ie deleting the highlighted text and replacing it with the new text. > Wish it did! It does here. Double-click to select the old url, then type the new url, which replaces the old one. NetSurf r5755, RO 6.10. Tony
hotlist and global history thumbnails
NetSurf (03 Dec 2008 11:45) r5872, RO 6.10 !Scrap.ScrapDirs.IDdisabled.www.NetSurf.Cache contains about 26MB of data but, having started NetSurf, when I open the Hotlist or Global History windows, and expand all entries, _none_ of the entries displays a thumbnail. After using NetSurf for some time, the Global History window displays thumbnails of recents visits, but they don't survive NetSurf quitting and re-starting. I thought that, possibly, the data was not being saved to the Cache, but files are there datestamped only a few minutes ago. Before I make a bug report, can I ask if anyone else sees this problem? Tony
netsurf out-performs ie8 ?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/04/interent_explorer_8_list/ IE 8, currently in beta, makes it hard to view millions of existing web pages because it's the first version of Microsoft's browser that claims to be fully standards-compliant. Hoisted on its own petard? Tony
Re: saving out the URL -- gotcha
On 8 Dec 2008, Jim Nagel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Drake wrote on 8 Dec: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > >Jim Nagel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > the gotcha, as i discovered the hard way, is that Netsurf gives > > > this URL a filename that is the same as the leafname of the URL. > > > which in the case of http://www.avisoft.force9.co.uk/TaskUsage.htm > > > was TaskUsage, which happened also to be the name of the main > > > module within the app. > > > Iconbar menu > Choices... Open the "Interface" section and untick > > "Strip filename extensions when saving". > > OK, that saves my URL as "taskusage/htm". it isn't an HTML file, but > i guess i can live with this inelegancy since it makes the gotcha less > likely to happen. That doesn't solve the problem. If a link points to, say, download.zip , both the downloaded zip, and the saved url file, will have the leafname download/zip , so that one overwrites the other. I would support Jim's earlier suggestion that the url file should be named with a /url extension. Even download/zip/url would be ok. Tony
not a jpeg
The web page http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7771259.stm displays without the images which should appear in the text. If I attempt to fetch the first of these images, at http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45278000/jpg/_45278895_08-10957-pawl-1.jpg I see the Warning from NetSurf 'Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x47 0x49'. Does this indicate that something is wrong with the JPEG, or NetSurf? Tony
Re: not a jpeg
On 9 Dec 2008, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Tony Moore wrote: > > > If I attempt to fetch the first of these images, at > > http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45278000/jpg/_45278895_08-10957-pawl-1.jpg > > I see the Warning from NetSurf 'Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x47 > > 0x49'. > > That'll be because it's a GIF. I've subsequently found that other BBC pages currently have the same problem. Auntie seems to have her knickers in a twist. What is the correct browser behaviour? NetSurf complains that the goods are not as advertised but Firefox 3.0, on a WinXP machine, displays the original link, bogus JPEGs and all, without any problem. Tony
r6324 crashes on loading
SARPC RO 6.14 32K colour NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (31 Jan 2009 16:30) r6324 crashes on loading. Please see log attached to bug report https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2553069&group_id=51719&atid=464312 Tony
odd characters in bug report
Having just submitted a bug report, I see that its title is now [ 2553069 ] r6324?crashes?on?loading where ? represents ff/da I cut and pasted the title from StrongED, where all spaces are ascii 32. Would anyone know where the odd characters came from? Tony
Re: r6324 crashes on loading
On 31 Jan 2009, John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 17:30 +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > SARPC RO 6.14 32K colour > > > > NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (31 Jan 2009 16:30) r6324 crashes on loading. > > > > Please see log attached to bug report > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2553069&group_id=51719&atid=464312 > > Please send me, off list, a zipped copy of your NetSurf choices > directory. John I sent a copy to you on 1 February 2009 but, from your off-list message today, it seems that you didn't receive it. Earlier today I sent another copy to you. Did it arrive? Tony
Re: r6324 crashes on loading
On 6 Feb 2009, John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 23:48 +, John-Mark Bell wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 17:30 +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > > SARPC RO 6.14 32K colour > > > > > > NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (31 Jan 2009 16:30) r6324 crashes on loading. > > > > > > Please see log attached to bug report > > > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2553069&group_id=51719&atid=464312 > > > > Please send me, off list, a zipped copy of your NetSurf choices > > directory. > > Fixed in r6370. Have checked r6371, which is fine. Many thanks. Tony
Re: saving text loses spaces
On 25 Feb 2009, Jim Nagel wrote: > when text is saved from (say) a Wikipedia article, Netsurf loses the > space character immediately following the ">" closing an HTML tag. Agreed. However, if you select the text in the NetSurf window, and drag the selection to a filer window, the saved text file is correct. Tony
website crashes netsurf
NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (16 Feb 2009 20:30) r6542 After double clicking on http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=171203805 NetSurf crashes, without opening its main window, and disappears from the iconbar. Can anyone else please confirm that this happens, before I file a bug report. Log file available. Tony
Re: website crashes netsurf
On 26 Feb 2009, Russell Hafter - Lists wrote: > In article <4866bc3350.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony > Moore wrote: > > > Can anyone else please confirm that this happens, before I file a > > bug report. Log file available. > > Page loaded fine using r5991 (8 Jan 2009) and here too, having upgraded to the current r6635 Thanks to all, for their responses. Tony
Re: website crashes netsurf
On 26 Feb 2009, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:14:46 GMT > Tony Moore wrote: > > > NetSurf 2.0 (Dev) (16 Feb 2009 20:30) r6542 > > > > After double clicking on > > http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=171203805 > > NetSurf crashes, without opening its main window, and disappears > > from the iconbar. > > The first thing you should do is confirm that it crashes with the > latest version. Point taken, but r6542 is not actually very old, and I was hoping to avoid another download if others confirmed the problem. Tony
Re: website crashes netsurf
On 26 Feb 2009, Rob Kendrick wrote: [snip] > On this subject, are there a significant number of people still on > dial-up? In fact, I'm using wireless 'broadband', which achieves about 50KB/sec, but since its tariff is traffic based, I try to avoid 'large' downloads. > Do I need to write some sort of incremental upgrade downloader tool if > downloading 2MB is a chore for people? I've been thinking about this > for a while. The current download zipfile is 2492KB, whereas its zipped !RunImage is 1636KB. Assuming that nothing else has changed, an incremental upgrade would save about one third of the download time/size (unless there is a way of patching the !RunImage file). This would be helpful, but not as large a difference as might be expected. Tony
Re: losing an unreadable colour scheme
On 2 Mar 2009, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:07:36 GMT Jim Nagel > wrote: > > > > > now, gold ol' Fresco had an option (Display > Document colours) > > > > that could be deselected in a case like this. Shift-F5 for > > > > short. > > > > > > > This has been a long-standing feature request, and it will happen > > > when somebody with the spare time chooses to do it. > > > > a couple of sites just to underline this longstanding feature > > request: > > We are well-aware of the reasons for people wanting it. It still > doesn't make the problem interesting or urgent enough for it to get > done. Meanwhile, a workaround is to click in the window then press ctrl-a, to select all the text, which is then readable, black on white. Tony
Re: Font Scanning
On 2 Apr 2009, Dave Symes wrote: > Updated Netsurf to Yesterdays (1st April) version. Running the same version here, no problem. > The message reads "Scanning fonts-please wait" So how many hours does > one wait while the machine is frozen literally, for this scan to > finish. > > After a substantial amount of time at Times.New.Roman and 88% showing > on the hourglass the only way I could get control of the machine was a > back button reset. Try removing that font from your !Fonts directory. If that solves the problem it means that something is amiss with the font. Having scanned the fonts when it is first run, NetSurf stores the result in !Scrap. Thus, to avoid font-scanning at every start-up, !Scrap should not be kept in a RAMdisc. After the fonts have been scanned, NetSurf normally loads in about ten seconds, on a SARPC. Tony
Re: Font Scanning
On 2 Apr 2009, Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > As I mentioned, temporarily switching all my fonts off in EFP, then > running Netsurf, then switching the fonts back on sorted that bit 'o > constipation. You do that each time you start NetSurf, or did the problem not recur? Tony
Re: Tracker
On 9 Apr 2009, Richard Porter wrote: > What's happened to the tracker? It's horrible! It's not too bad in a 256-grey-scale screen mode! > How do you make it display more than 10 messages? At the right, above and below the messages, a writable icon can be set to 100 maximum but, since the site seems to have reverted to session cookies, that needs to be re-set at each visit. Reversion to session cookies, also results in it being necessary to log-in, at each visit. > Is it possible to use the old one? If so, it's not apparent. For some time, the current layout has been promoted as an optional 'beta', so it looks as though its perpetrators have now judged it suitable for permanent use! Tony
Re: Tracker
On 9 Apr 2009, Richard Porter wrote: > On 9 Apr 2009 Tony Moore wrote: > > > > How do you make it display more than 10 messages? > > > At the right, above and below the messages, a writable icon can be > > set to 100 maximum but, since the site seems to have reverted to > > session cookies, that needs to be re-set at each visit. Reversion to > > session cookies, also results in it being necessary to log-in, at > > each visit. > > I tried that but nothing happens. I guess as Michael says it needs > javascript to work. As soon as you click Next or any page number you > just get another ten bugs. Yes, you and Michael are right. I should have checked before posting! Tony
netsurf and ro6 64k colour mode
Tinct 0.14, available at http://www.tinct.net/Downloads/Tinct-014.zip enables NetSurf to render correctly the new 64K colour mode in RO 6. The new version of Tinct is not yet bundled with the NetSurf download. Many thanks to Richard Wilson, who wrote it. Tony
full save anomaly
If 'page1' is full-saved, by dragging the icon from the 'Save as' dialogue box, it is saved as, say, ADFS::ide.$.!page1 , where the pling has been inserted automatically by NetSurf. If, now, 'page2' is full-saved, NetSurf remembers the previous path and the 'Save as' dialogue box offers ADFS::ide.$.page2 , _without_ a pling - which, if accepted, results in a plain directory being saved. Tony
Re: full save anomaly
On 7 May 2009, Richard Porter wrote: > On 7 May 2009 Tony Moore wrote: > > > If 'page1' is full-saved, by dragging the icon from the 'Save as' > > dialogue box, it is saved as, say, ADFS::ide.$.!page1 , where the > > pling has been inserted automatically by NetSurf. > > > If, now, 'page2' is full-saved, NetSurf remembers the previous path > > and the 'Save as' dialogue box offers ADFS::ide.$.page2 , _without_ > > a pling - which, if accepted, results in a plain directory being > > saved. > > See bug report 2576557 "Subsequent full save path error". Thanks - saved me the trouble! Tony
Re: Quit and Restart Required
On 19 May 2009, list wrote: > I have this problem where after maybe 5 or 6 pages on certtain site > the pages refuse to load. Showing a countdown by seconds as it tries. > After 60s I give up, quit NS, restart and the page loads up nicely > within couple a seconds. BUT then the 4th or 5th page does the delay > thing again... and so on. Iconbar Choices... > Connection, try increasing the number of fetches. Tony
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: > In article <55618f6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, >Roger Darlington wrote: [snip] > > This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. This > > contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files. > > The reason for the slow load and big cache is you have NetSurf set to > remember a year of browsing history. > > In NetSurf's choices choose Security, and lower the value for Duration > in Site history. The default it 28 days. In my copy of NetSurf, Site history is set to 1 day, but Global history still has entries for Yesterday, Tuesday, Monday, Last week, 2 weeks ago and 3 weeks ago. It seems that expiry doesn't work correctly. I filed a bug report on 3 October 2007: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1806826&group_id=51719&atid=464312 The Cache contains thumbnail images, which should be displayed in the expanded entries in Global history. However, the association, between url and thumbnail, appears to be lost when NetSurf is quit so that, apart from those relating to the current session, the thumbnails - and cache - are superfluous. I described this problem, on 3 Dec 2008, in message <03ccf80750.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk> but, in the absence of any response, didn't file a bug report. Perhaps I should do so now? Tony
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: > In article <715a976250.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, > Tony Moore wrote: > > On 28 May 2009, Michael Drake wrote: > > > In article <55618f6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, > > >Roger Darlington wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > This also prompted me to look in ScrapDirs.WWW.NetSurf.Cache. > > > > This contains a whopping 202MB in 5866 files. > > > > > > The reason for the slow load and big cache is you have NetSurf set > > > to remember a year of browsing history. > > > > > > In NetSurf's choices choose Security, and lower the value for > > > Duration in Site history. The default it 28 days. > > > In my copy of NetSurf, Site history is set to 1 day, but Global > > history still has entries for Yesterday, Tuesday, Monday, Last week, > > 2 weeks ago and 3 weeks ago. > > If I understand it right, the site history setting controls how long > things like thumbnails are kept in the cache. I think the global > history is fixed at 28 days. The User Guide says otherwise: Site history NetSurf records all the web sites you have visited as part of its global history feature. Entries can be deleted from the global history window directly and NetSurf allows the length of time items are kept in global history to be configured. Duration This option can be used to set the length of time entries are stored in global history, before they are deleted. Setting the duration to zero days turns off the global history feature. Tony
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
On 28 May 2009, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > [I] didn't file a bug report. Perhaps I should do so now? Done https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2798361&group_id=51719&atid=464312 Tony
Re: target=_new_window
On 12 Jun 2009, Richard Porter wrote: > It is very annoying when you click on a link to a pdf file and a blank > window pops up obscuring the directory you were going to put it in. Using NetSurf, you can close the blank window, as soon as the download dialogue box appears. The download continues unaffected. Tony
Re: target=_new_window
On 27 Jun 2009, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 27 Jun, Jim Nagel wrote in message > : > > Tony Moore wrote on 12 Jun: > > > > > Using NetSurf, you can close the blank window, as soon as the > > > download dialogue box appears. The download continues unaffected. > > > > is there a keyboard shortcut to close such a window? if not, is that > > a useful feature suggestion? > > Would the RISC OS standard of Ctrl-F2 do the trick? NetSurf already > supports that. That attempts to close the download dialogue box, which is in front of the blank window. Tony
Re: amending autocompletion list
On 13 Oct 2009, Jim Nagel wrote: > some months ago i stupidly typed "archive.co.uk" into the URL field > rather than "archivemag.co.uk". now, foreverafter, the wrong entry is > the first one on the auto-completion list that pops up when i start > typing. > > how can i delete the wrong entry from the list? Try editing the text-file Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Recent Tony
Re: no logfile after crash
On 26 Nov 2009, Jim Nagel wrote: [snip] Jim Do you know that you are sending three copies of each message? Tony
Re: 9764 grabs all the free memory
On 6 Jan 2010, Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <50d15036bbalan_cal...@o2.co.uk>, >Alan Calder wrote: > > In article <92c13ad150...@rickman.argonet.co.uk>, > > wrote: > > > <3e6526d150.wra...@wra1th.plus.com> Gavin Wraith wrote: > > > > > NetSurf 9764 appears to grab all the free memory once it has > > > > downloaded http://slashdot.org/ , making it impossible to use. > > > > On RO 5.14. > > > > It isn't just 9764 - the same thing happens on the current stable > > > release 2.1 (23 may 2009). > > > So it does! Just what has slashdot got that other websites lack? > > (RO 4.39. RPC) > > 9765, however, seems to work fine (Iyonix 5.11). Using r9784, downloaded today, slashdot displays correctly (SARPC 6.20), but consumes 85MB of memory in the process. This happens immediately after starting NetSurf, prior to displaying any other pages. On quitting the slashdot page, 25MB of DA memory is released, but NetSurf continues to occupy 60MB. Tony
Re: crash and 34M logfile
On 11 Jan 2010, Jim Nagel wrote: > i have also uploaded the /bz2 version of the logfile: > www.abbeypress.net/netsurflog100111.bz2 > > by the way, clicking this /bz2 link in the MPro email client causes > Netsurf to download it into a browser window. Shift-click on the link to force a file download. Tony
