Re: EUreferendum
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, AW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What stops EUreferendum.blogspot.com from formatting correctly? It > should have the links bar down the LHS AIUI. It's one of the main UK > blogs and it would be good to post a picture of RISC OS showing it > properly - if possible. > Andrew My guess would be that the 943 errors shown here may be a clue... http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2FEUreferendum.blogspot.com&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Loss of border
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Ashbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I often convert an EasiWriter document to HTML but when viewed in > NetSurf any border placed around a picture frame is lost. The border is > very useful and provides a nice way of separating the body text from a > diagram thus making the document easier to read. Oregano displays it > correctly. Is there anyway of correcting this. It is obviously up to the developers to have NetSurf respond appropriately to the BORDER attribute of the IMG tag and I notice various border issues are mentioned in the CSS to-do lists. In the meantime you could add a border to the bitmap before dropping it into EW. The added benefit is that such borders will look identical in every browser, whether BORDER is supported or not, and yours don't have to be common-or-garden borders; you could give them rounded corners, for example. T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Problems with ZEN forms.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Barry.Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Folks, > I use a few webforms on my websites which are with ZEN. > When a form is completed, up should come a page which says thank-you > for filling in the form, but with Netsurf a page comes up which says:- I received the following blank page: http://www.zen57462.zen.co.uk/cgi-bin/linkback All it contains is: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic10.dtd";> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; lang="en-US">Untitled Document > "Automatic form response > Problem Encountered > The page you sent the form from was not set up correctly. Please let > the author know. > The author of the page needs to include the following HTML tag within > the form: > < INPUT NAME = "recipient" VALUE = "your_email_address_here" TYPE = > HIDDEN > " In ZEN forms they don't need a line like the one above. > They have, I think, a better method where the recipient's address is > just a number. This number is used to look up the email address in an > address file on the server. I think they do; that message is not likely to be generated by Netsurf. Most good ISPs have made some serious efforts to stop web forms being used by spammers and the like and insist that they contain one of their own valid addresses. Why not put in the line it was asking for and see what happens? > An example of one of my forms is at:- > http://www.zen57462.zen.co.uk/nowirul/emadd/9.htm -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Background colours
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Symes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Got a problem... guess there is an answer but can't seem to find it. > Silly people Guilty m'lud. > create sites with black backgrounds, then plonk grey text > on it... or Dark blue text. oops www.tightfittheatre.co.uk/index.htm > In Oregano, If I tick Off the "Use Document colours" the black > background is replaced with white and I can see the grey text. Okay, so our text isn't the darkest blue in Netsurf, and there's more white than grey text. Is it legible? > Is there a comparable option in NetSurf? I'm using NS (02 Dec 2007 > 06:00) Maybe NS assumes eyes and a monitor of the highest quality? ;-) (There are times I would like to apply gamma adjustment to web pages, to see dark pictures or over-exposed ones without having to download and fiddle with an editor. Not such a problem with my new spectacles. ;-)) I wonder how many web sites are developed on new LCDs, rather than ratty old ray-tubes such as the example on my right: it has an okay picture as long as the case has a sharp blow once in a while. It struggles with the RiscPC's apparently 'weak' output and it's old, it's burnt in and it's dying. Nope, they look okay to me. But wait! Netsurf renders the colours wrongly and the _always_underlined_links_ are dark blue, rather than the chosen hue of pale green (see any other browser). So you maybe don't need to be able to disable colours, you perhaps need to be able to turn them on!!! Someone else can hunt around the bug-tracker for that one, I'm off to bed. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Background colours
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nope, they look okay to me. But wait! Netsurf renders the colours
> > wrongly and the _always_underlined_links_ are dark blue, rather than
> > the chosen hue of pale green (see any other browser).
> NetSurf has never supported link colours set as attributes in the BODY
> tag. If you set them in the STYLE tag, they will work.
> body { background-color:#00; color: #ff; }
> a:link{ color: #ccffcc; }
> a:visited { color: #cc; }
> a:active { color: #ff; }
> That does in CSS what you currently do in the BODY tag.
Thanks for that. I've been meaning to add that for ages. Now done. :-)
> Note also that NetSurf currently only supports link colours, not active
> and visited link colours.
A shame.
T
--
Tim Hill,
www.timil.com
Re: Background colours
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Snip] > > Nope, they look okay to me. But wait! Netsurf renders the colours > > wrongly and the _always_underlined_links_ are dark blue, rather than > > the chosen hue of pale green (see any other browser). So you maybe > > don't need to be able to disable colours, you perhaps need to be able > > to turn them on!!! > Its pale green here (CRT, NS 28Dec07) It should be. The rest of this thread will reveal why, particularly Message with ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: background colour in TABLEs ?
[Snip] > although bgcolor is a deprecated tag - CSS is preferred. See > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.1 for more on > this. For the g'zillionth time, it may be deprecated for new content but recommended that browsers support deprecated tags to support existing pre-deprecation content. IYSWIM The meaning of bgcolors in tables is clearer if you are able to see this in a browser which does all three, such as Netsurf. :-o hello world Each element can have its own bgcolor. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: background colour in TABLEs ?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 06 Jan, Tim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [Snip] > > > although bgcolor is a deprecated tag - CSS is preferred. See > > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.1 for > > > more on this. > > For the g'zillionth time, it may be deprecated for new content but > > recommended that browsers support deprecated tags to support existing > > pre-deprecation content. IYSWIM > Hang on! I only said it was deprecated. I didn't say "don't use it, it > doesn't work". If you look through some of the tables I use myself, > you'll find that I use bgcolor rather a lot, and will be continuing to > do so for some time to come! I've found that putting bgcolor in > tags has a mixed reception, not just in Netsurf, so I normally advise > people to put it in the cells rather than the header. Indeed. And I wasn't attempting to cast aspersions. IIRC there are only three (now obscure) tags which are obsolete and therefore not meant to be supported; all are replaced by which itself is, er, little used I suspect. Of course, bgcolor in the headers has a different effect to bgcolor in the cells or rows, as my example should have illustrated. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: background colour in TABLEs ?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Barry E Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Of course, bgcolor in the headers has a different effect to bgcolor > > in the cells or rows, as my example should have illustrated. > I may be missing something obvious but I can't see, having looked at > your example, how bgcolor in the headers has a different effect to > bgcolor in the cells or rows Did you copy and paste the html to a file and load it into a browser? Here it is again, slightly amended, to make the three various locations for bgcolor show off their differences, I hope more obviously. well, hello world -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: background colour in TABLEs ?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 7 Jan 2008 Tim Hill wrote: > > IIRC there are only three (now obscure) tags which are obsolete and > > therefore not meant to be supported; all are replaced by which > > itself is, er, little used I suspect. > Actually I use quite a lot particularly on what's new/history > pages because it saves a lot of bother typing in lots of table tags. If you structure the contents of a table physically across the page in, say, StrongEd, it's possible to mark the entire block and insert row and cell tags down the entire page in a one line edit. Using a macro inserter saves typing too. HTML³ is good for tables. > > Of course, bgcolor in the headers has a different effect to bgcolor > > in the cells or rows, as my example should have illustrated. > What do you mean by "the headers"? I didn't think your example had any > table header cells. You're right, it didn't. And I didn't mean headers in the literal sense of but okay... well, hello world a footer header > I have noticed that different browsers treat the cell spacing in > different ways if you put a bgcolor attribute in the table or row tag. > Sometimes the colour is applied to the whole table or row unless > overridden and other times it is only applied inside the cells. It depends where the bgcolor is placed which I thought is where we came in. But yes, the placing of stuff like tables does vary (as on an old W98 laptop on which an old MIE completely screwed up the placing of the timeline on Radio Times today). -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Netsurf and the Euro
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alexander Ausserstorfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> James Bursa > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Friday 18 January 2008, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote: > >> Netsurf (version 1.1 from 13. August) isn't able to show the > >> (EUR)-sign correctly, is it? Or do I something wrong? > > > >That should work. NetSurf will even use the symbol from a different > >font if your selected font doesn't have it. What do you see instead of > >the Euro? > I can see some small numbers: 00 or 00 96 80 > I suppose that 00 should be the Euro-sign. 80 I think 20 AC would be the Unicode Euro. (Hex 20AC) see http://unicode.org/reports/tr8/#Euro%20Sign In XML € In HTML it should surely be € irrespective of the actual code, though I realise it is deprecated and not included in XML thanks to goalpost syndrome. Netsurf here (2.0 1.11.2007) responds correctly to either. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: This I really do not believe
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > > >> Would somebody please be so kind as to check this out for me with > >> NetSurf. > >> > >> http://www.audio-t.co.uk/ > >> > >> I have tried it both on the Iyonix with NS 2.0 (Dev) (26 Feb 2008 > >> 22:45) r3869 and RiscPC with NS 1.1. > > > >It displayed first as text. I saved it to RAMdisc, gave it type &FAF, > >and then NS displayed it. The first table is missing its first > >tag. Much else, probably unprintable, could be said of the code in the > >page. On RO5.13 with NS 2.0 (Dev) (26 Feb 2008 22:45) r3869. > Hi Gavin, > Thanks for the reply. I thought I was going mad. It must be a well > messed up site to be sending the page as text. Unfortunately, the site works in windoze browsers here so they may do nothing but I have asked them to check the configuration of their server anyway. (Download the page, change the filetype to html and it works, after a fashion. 125 errors at w3c) The page uses javascript for layout so will look 'wrong' in NetSurf. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: This I really do not believe
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Sprangers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.audio-t.co.uk/ > Seems to work nicely here. Iyonix 5.13, NetSurf 26 Feb 2008. > Kind regards, Paul Sprangers The web site has changed in some way. I can confirm the site now displays 'properly' in NetSurf 22.1.2008. T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Parsing failed?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it a NetSurf problem, or is there something amiss with this page? : > http://www.glassdoctors.co.uk/chipsandmot.html I can only get the error > "Parsing the document failed" on any of the pages of this site. > They all seem to work on Windoze :o( A shame that windoze browsers do work but should they? The page begins with . -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Another suggestion for NetSurf
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Snip] > Btw, it's "a criterion" - spell checkers don't spot grammatical and > semantic errors. I hope one day someone will come along with a pedantry checker. ;-) -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
OT (was: Re: Another suggestion for NetSurf)
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 13 May 2008 Tim Hill wrote: > >> Btw, it's "a criterion" - spell checkers don't spot grammatical and > >> semantic errors. > > I hope one day someone will come along with a pedantry checker. ;-) > I knew someone would say that! > Using the right word or ending instead of the wrong one isn't > pedantry! No, your intervention was pedantry. And OT. [Snip] ShuSH! -- Tim Hill www.tjrh.eu
Re: Changing the colour in Google lists when it has been read.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the things that I truly miss after Fresco is that when I had a > list of Google finds, once I had read it, the colour changed to a > darker shade of blue. So I didn't go back and read the same find > again. But now I do. An irritation! The marker doesn't have to be a > change in colour, anything would do. Some people have difficulties > with colour, my brother is red-green colour blind, so I am very aware > of it, though it's not my problem. I don't know how the developers feel about the urgency of this one but I would have thought it a pretty fundamental function of any helpful hypertext browser to indicate (usually with colour) any visited links, including those on legacy pages. This may be under the catch-all "HTML4 - Nearly Done" and "CSS 1 - Nearly Done". vlink is also present in HTML5 so perhaps we must but wait. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Changing the colour in Google lists when it has been read.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5 Jun 2008 Tim Hill wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael > > Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> One of the things that I truly miss after Fresco is that when I had > >> a list of Google finds, once I had read it, the colour changed to a > >> darker shade of blue. So I didn't go back and read the same find > >> again. But now I do. An irritation! The marker doesn't have to be a > >> change in colour, anything would do. Some people have difficulties > >> with colour, my brother is red-green colour blind, so I am very > >> aware of it, though it's not my problem. > > I don't know how the developers feel about the urgency of this one > > but I would have thought it a pretty fundamental function of any > > helpful hypertext browser to indicate (usually with colour) any > > visited links, including those on legacy pages. > > This may be under the catch-all "HTML4 - Nearly Done" and "CSS 1 - > > Nearly Done". vlink is also present in HTML5 so perhaps we must but > > wait. > I think the problem is that the developers have chosen to implement > HTML4 and CSS before HTML1. Link colours in the tag are > ignored. This is a long standing issue. Indeed. I always wonder about all those non-css pre-HTML4 pages with _only_ body tags? -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Report attached as requested
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:41:26 +0100 Richard Porter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Snip apparent confusion about clarity of bug submission message] Perhaps it would be helpful to everyone if the error message spat out by NetSurf told the reporter exactly what please they should do. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger > >Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> So why does it not work when you use the third and much more obvious > >> and visible alternative: The magnifying glass 'find'? The Magnifying Glass tool is Search is it? > > It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in this > > case and therefore has no content. > Perhaps that is also a bug, then, as other browsers (Firefox, Safari, > etc) do search more than just the frameset... Good for them. Just because they work one way.. What's the point to developing a new browser (or anything for that matter) which is no better than being the same as every other boring piece of windows crap? Software development is not limited to emulation. Something is not good just because 95% of idiots think so. > I think that perhaps it is the act of clicking on the page to show it > which to search, and then clicking on a magnifying glass which > confuses it and it starts searching where the magnifying glass is? It is not confused. You are. ;-) > And of course, it finds nothing... . . . because it's the scale view tool! :-D -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5 Sep 2008 Michael Drake wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 5 Sep 2008 Michael Drake wrote: > >>> It searches the top level document, which is just a frameset in > >>> this case and therefore has no content. > >> But the user isn't concerned with how the page is constructed. (S)he > >> just wants to find a text string wherever it happens to be on the > >> page. The search facility should search all framesets recursively. > > Yes, of course. I'm simply describing how it works at the moment. > > Anyone is welcome to change it or submit a feature request so someone > > else might change it. > I don't think a feature request should be necessary to correct an > obvious shortcoming. Obvious to you perhaps. > Feature requests should be used for features over > and above normal operation of the browser. That's what you're asking for. > The search facility itself > is a feature, but once it's been implemented the fact that it can't > handle some types of pages is a bug No it isn't. The failure was in the knowledge base of the user about how the browser works. > (accepting that it can't at > present be expected to find strings generated by javascript). Say what now? Javascript don't work here so it won't generate anything to be found. To search the page /including scripts and tags/ hit f8 and search in your editor. As with the search function, you need to click in the frame you want to edit (or the address bar for the frameset) before hitting f8. It is clear to this reader that you are asking for the functionality of the search function to be changed. That's a feature request. It would be a bug if you searched for 'lemon' and found 'orange'. Do you think that every frame and the frameset should all appear at once in an editor in pressing f8? Please, God, no. There are some of us who maintain web sites and the way the search (and edit) functions work is just fine and dandy, thanks. (Though I am not averse to configurable change.) Sorry to butt in. T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger > > Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 5 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: > > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger > > > >Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> So why does it not work when you use the third and much more > > > >> obvious and visible alternative: The magnifying glass 'find'? > > The Magnifying Glass tool is Search is it? > Not in the default theme. In the default theme the magnifying glass is > "Scale view". I think other themes do it differently. > It makes more sense to talk of the "Scale view button" and the "Find > text button". Indeed. My point. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6 Sep 2008, Tim Hill wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger > > Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 5 Sep 2008, Michael Drake wrote: > >> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger > >> >Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> So why does it not work when you use the third and much more > >> >> obvious and visible alternative: The magnifying glass 'find'? > > > > The Magnifying Glass tool is Search is it? [Snip] > > > > > It is not confused. You are. ;-) > > > >> And of course, it finds nothing... > > > > . . . because it's the scale view tool! :-D > > > What rubbish!!! > When you press it, up comes a 'Find box!! > Is it you who is confused? No, but you need to be aware that different themes have different icons. Talking about specific buttons has to be done with care. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Bug: 'Search Text' does not work in framed sites.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roger Darlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6 Sep 2008, Tim Hill wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 5 Sep 2008 Michael Drake wrote: > >> The search facility itself is a feature, but once it's been > >> implemented the fact that it can't handle some types of pages is a > >> bug > > > > No it isn't. The failure was in the knowledge base of the user about > > how the browser works. > Was it? > The find function works using magnifying glass in all other browsers > that have a magnifying glass, but not Netsurf... ...and in cars the indicator stalk isn't always on the left. You may have to glance at the manual to find it's on the right. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Odd behaviour ?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:53:28 + (GMT) "Torrens (lists)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How come, if the domain name is illegal, it has been accepted for > > registration? I did a whois on it. > Because registrars are lax. Hostname segments should not begin with > digits, and this makes it difficult to tell the difference between IP > addresses and names. Is it? http://3663.co.uk/ makes perfect sense. There is something here in email address validation which may be of relevance: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=712630 "The new syntax expands the set of names to allow leading digits, so long as the resulting representations do not conflict with IP addresses in decimal octet form." > > they sure as hell do need someone to do things properly! Both are > > microsoft server based. > That's not actually telling of the competence of the designer. The > problem itself is actually in a PHP script. It appears whoever wrote > it does not know how to use it correctly, Okay. > which is sadly true of most > people who choose to use PHP Oh dear! Not a PHP fan? I have implemented quite a bit of PHP: you must tell me what I am doing wrong: what is the right way? There's me thinking Larry Ullman's book would show me the right way: http://www.amazon.co.uk/World-Wide-Visual-QuickStart-Guides/dp/0201727870/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1225297865&sr=11-1 My email address is genuine. Please do not reply to this post here. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Odd behaviour ?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:41:24 + (GMT) Tim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Snip] > If you didn't want me to reply here, you should have sent your message > to me, and not the list. Merely my polite way of saying 'this is OT please shut up' and letting the list know. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Failure to save a multimap as pdf or gif
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Snip] > I was able to export the page as a drawfile. The map was intact but I > lost some of the other text. I was able to ungroup the map n number of > times then select the map (which was only one object) & export it for > printing. RiscOS Adjust 4.39 - Netsurf 26 )ct r5632 It /really/ is /much/ simpler to click menu over the map, then Object, Export, Sprite, and drag it into an app for printing. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Failure to save a multimap as pdf or gif
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Newman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Snip] > > I was able to export the page as a drawfile. The map was intact but I > > lost some of the other text. I was able to ungroup the map n number > > of times then select the map (which was only one object) & export it > > for printing. RiscOS Adjust 4.39 - Netsurf 26 )ct r5632 > It /really/ is /much/ simpler to click menu over the map, then Object, > Export, Sprite, and drag it into an app for printing. . . .in fact I've just remembered - all you have to do is + to export a bitmap object as a sprite to an application. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Should 'Reading GIF failed' fail to display a GIF?
I refer to the following animated gif which I know has been a bit broken since creation but which does seem to display in every browser /except/ netsurf. http://www.tightfittheatre.co.uk/sprite.gif> Why is that? -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Should 'Reading GIF failed' fail to display a GIF?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I refer to the following animated gif which I know has been a bit > > broken since creation but which does seem to display in every browser > > /except/ netsurf. > > http://www.tightfittheatre.co.uk/sprite.gif> > It does work in older versions such as that of 20th April 2007 19:15. > But it does have that bit of 'interference' near the bottom in some of > the frames. > Why not remake it from the sprite sequence, correcting the interference > and see what happens? I could but that's not the point. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: streetmap.co.uk
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 4 Dec 2008 Bernard Boase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh dear. That s useful site http://www.streetmap.co.uk has now > > been redesigned. [Snip] > > then use Draw to solve the jigsaw. > This new site is a real pig's ear! [Snip] cc. of email to street map: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: advertising query Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:40 Hi Claire I was thinking about advertising on streetmap but I see your company doesn't understand how web pages should work so my adverts wouldn't work on every device someone may use. i.e. Mobile phones, non-javascript enabled browsers etc. Can you please tell me when you expect your site to be compliant with internet standards before I go any further. You may want to run a few of your pages through http://validator.w3.org/ to see what I mean. If I was asking you to do a mailshot, I wouldn't expect 10% not to fit through an unknown brand of size-compliant letterbox. T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: streetmap.co.uk
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Validation results aren't a guarantee of anything. It's a start. The chances are that if they can't get that bit right... -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: streetmap.co.uk
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:03:29 + (GMT) Tim Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Validation results aren't a guarantee of anything. > > > > It's a start. > > > > The chances are that if they can't get that bit right... > Not really. No, yes, really. My point is that sloppiness in one area will indicate sloppiness in others. [snip] -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: streetmap.co.uk
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Snip] > I'd be all for people never mentioning validators here ever again. They > serve no useful purpose for the development of web browsers. That's such a bizarre statement I would frame it but for the fact this isn't paper. :-D So, we can all write our web sites in the most terribly convoluted html nonsense in the understanding that we don't have to worry because all web browser developers will take care of everything that may be wrong. That's a load off my mind and will save so much time. But okay, point noted, shan't mention validators here again but I reserve the right to spit them in the face of so-called web developers who think 'everyone uses a pee sea'. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: streetmap.co.uk
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Snip missed irony] > The end. Let's hope so. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Text overlap
In article <20090113095326.589eb...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:42:15 + (GMT) Paul Vigay > wrote: > > In article <501ceafb6eba...@e-allen.me.uk>, Barry E Allen > > wrote: [Snip] > > > http://www.bparkfc.plus.com/allen/talktalkbill.html > > > > That looks like it's suffering from the same problem as a friend of > > mine's website at www.colinandrews.net which is completely unreadable > > with NetSurf - and I have complained to him about it. > > > > Unfortunately he knows nothing about HTML so I think he uses some > > kind of site creator to do it in - which means that I expect lots of > > other people will be creating sites which give the same problem when > > viewed with NetSurf. > If this is the case, the solution is to make NetSurf render the tool's > output, not for you to complain at him about it. > If people can deconstruct the HTML and make a minimal test case, > that'll help us towards that. Dare I say that I passed the phone bill though a CSS validator which came up with many "You must put an unit after your number" (two for each positioning element 'top' and 'left'in each page). But I know I'll be told Validators are crap and a waste of time, irrelevant, and should all be expunged so I'll shut up soon. Putting 'px' after each occurrence should render the page correctly. And does. Should (does) NS assume pixels, points or parsecs when no units are present? -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
spurious newlines in lists in tables
I have just noticed an oddity, even with the latest build. Please will someone check that I'm not going mad and I haven't done something inadvertent to the HTML in the extract here: http://www.timil.com/riscos/netsurf_query.htm This file is an extracted part of the very old index page which lives on my intranet and may be available here: http://81.31.96.206/ as the home page. If you don't see an extraneous newline between "panel" and "Radio" try making the window narrower. Though the line is packed with other browsers I have tried don't seem to miscalculate the need for a newline. On my home page, the third column gathers many extraneous newlines when the page narrows, but only after the word 'configuration' in each case. :-/ -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: spurious newlines in lists in tables
In article <692fe22650.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > On 1 Feb 2009 Tim Hill wrote: > > I have just noticed an oddity, even with the latest build. Please > > will someone check that I'm not going mad and I haven't done > > something inadvertent to the HTML in the extract here: > > http://www.timil.com/riscos/netsurf_query.htm [Snip] > Yes, well I expect that all the white space between the and the > has a lot to do with it. The resulting single space spills > over onto the following line and then you get another newline for the > next tag. Get rid of the extraneous formatting of your html! [Snip] Formatting? Ah, yes it does display as it should if it's a mess. ;-) I thought browsers ignored white space and in no way thought that would be the problem. Other browsers obviously must not translate white space into an extra newline where none is needed. Sometimes Netsurf does. I feel a bug report coming on. T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: spurious newlines in lists in tables
In article <5026fac702asg...@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , Richard Porter > wrote: > > On 1 Feb 2009 Tim Hill wrote: [Snip] > Netsurf still inserts a space after an end tag - so that > an end tag immediately followed by a visible or invisible character can > throw onto the next line. This bug was reported a couple of years ago > and still seems to occur under certain circumstances even with r6326. > Mind you Netsurf isn't the only browser which has that problem. I'm still trying to find one. ;-) Every browser I have on WinXP and RISC OS 5 exhibits the expected behaviour. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Extra Space (was: spurious newlines in lists in tables)
Just to follow-up this issue of Netsurf generating extra space, I have found an even simpler case: .(italic normal). I refer to the extra space which coincides with the . Keith Hopper mentioned that ... > This bug was reported a couple of years ago and still seems to occur > under certain circumstances So, is this well known by the team or is a bug report required for each occurrence? -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Extra Space (was: spurious newlines in lists in tables)
In article , Roger Darlington wrote: > On 3 Feb 2009, Tim Hill wrote: > > > > Just to follow-up this issue of Netsurf generating extra space, I > > have found an even simpler case: > > > > .(italic normal). > > > > I refer to the extra space which coincides with the . > > > And doesn't it also miss out the space between and 'normal' - it > does here... I don't think so. The reduced space between c and n is due to the proximity of an italic and normal typeface. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Graphics refresh problem
In article <5b936c2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > http://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/ I can't comment on your graphic refresh problem but have noticed you expect everyone to have hugely wide display. At 1280 pix wide, I still can't see all your last column without buying a new screen. At first, Netsurf displayed only the overlapping row of images at the top until I dragged the bottom right and the columnar frames suddenly appeared. You may find screen usage statistics interesting: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp Half of users are still on 1024 or less horizontal pixels. T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: spurious newlines in lists in tables
In article <502eafeecaasg...@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <920b6d2e50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington > wrote: > > On 1 Feb 2009, Keith Hopper wrote: > > > In article , Richard Porter > > > wrote: > [snip] > > > Yes, but Netsurf still inserts a space after an end tag - > > It doesn't if that end tag is . > > So a line like this with 'this' in italics and a space before > > the 'with' shows 'thiswith' all next to each other with no space > > between. > How quirky! I must admit to never using the 'i' element as it has > been deprecated for some years - but interesting. NOT deprecated. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/present/graphics.html#h-15.2.1 http://www.w3Schools.com/ (search for "") T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: spurious newlines in lists in tables
In article , Richard Porter wrote: > On 17 Feb 2009 Keith Hopper wrote: > > The element which should be used is the 'em' element and, instead of > > the 'b' element, use 'strong'. The reason for the others being > > deprecated they're not [Snip] -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Netsurf failing on APOD
In article <52916f3550.br...@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk>, Brian Howlett wrote: > On 1 Mar, Dave Higton wrote: > > In message <50356818e4sjcl...@ormail.co.uk> Steve Clark > >wrote: > >> Can anyone confirm that recent versions of Netsurf are failing to > >> display http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/. > > Blank white window here, r6658, Iyonix, RO5.11, 512 MB. > Works fine here - r6658 on RO 5.13 Today's page has the tag missing so Netsurf r6662 thinks the whole document is the title. Look at the title bar of the window. I have emailed one of the authors but given how long it took them to fix the < (missing ;) problem, don't hold your breath but perhaps use a different, more tolerant, browser in the meantime. Oregano2 works. A nuisance though, if like me you use Organizer to open it every day T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Play.Com
In article <5035a76bd8ian.hamil...@aaug.net>, Ian Hamilton wrote: > I raised this on the tracker list as 2133915 but it has been closed but > not fixed. The search box at the top of www.play.com (between 'All > products' and 'Search' displays as a narrow bar rather than the correct > width. If text is entered the box width changes to the length of the > text. The culprit seems to be . If it had a size="n" (or equivalent CSS) attribute I think Netsurf wouldn't assume a length of zero, even though maybe it shouldn't. Perhaps your bug report was closed because someone thought a zero length field makes sense. ;-) In the meantime, you could use this link for play.com searching: http://www.play.com/Search.aspx?searchstring=type+here HTH T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: losing an unreadable colour scheme
In article <1f59773a50@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel
wrote:
[Snip]
> Jim wrote on March 2:
> > a couple of sites just to underline this longstanding feature
> > request: http://libraryofavalon.org.uk
> > http://www.smoothartist.com this one is close to home! ;=}
> today i met the designer of the first site and the colour issue came
> up. he points out that it is designed to be simple black text on a
> white background. i tried Firefox, and verily i see simple black on
> white. i checked with Fresco, and it too shows black on white.
Look at the source of http://libraryofavalon.org.uk
It refers to a CSS loa.css, the source of which says:
body { background-color: 00; .}
i.e. black. There are no other colo(u)r definitions I can see, so
everything else is default. So you have black text on black in NetSurf.
Other browsers don't get this 'right' because it should say:
body { background-color: #00; .}
^
NetSurf isn't bothered by a little missing hash. All other browsers are
hippies, obviously.
> so why is Netsurf (r6761 and 6288 before) showing unreadable blue on
> black?
It's right. Sort of. But FF, MIE, Opera, Safari, and Chrome also don't
agree and want their hash.
> the second site is by Michael Drake. Netsurf shows his links as
> unreadable blue on black, whereas Firefox shows them underlined white
> on black.
Michael has defined colours in the body tag
Unfortunately (and perhaps very surprisingly) NetSurf ignores LINK and
VLINK in BODY so unless link colours are set with a CSS default colours
only apply. When the background and default link colour are the same or
too similar, netsurf is useless. Wonderful otherwise, of course. :-)
HTH
T
--
Tim Hill,
www.timil.com
Re: Link colour
In article <7ea8523b50.da...@david.wanadoo.fr>,
David J Worden wrote:
> In a two-language website for a friend I have used the colour red on
> English pages and blue on French pages (in headings, etc., at her
> request), and so I have specified the link colour as green rather than
> the default blue.
I hope I'm not teaching you to suck eggs but the problem of ignored link
body tags (discussion of which may need to be preceded by a strict
definition of the subjective term "not difficult" ;) can be easily
overcome _if_ you have control of the web site. To control main document
colours with CSS use:
body{
background-color: #00;
color: #ff;
}
a:visited { color: #cc }
a:link{ color: #ccffcc }
a:hover { color: #ff }
"My" sites were driving me mad so NetSurf did me the favour of forcing me
to 'upgrade' to CSS because of this seemingly bizarre omission from its
fundamental repertoire. (It's as if, like, they thought "nobody uses body
tags" because they're deprecated, ain't they? But not when those pages
were written, they wasn't? A shame so it is that the term deprecated
seems misunderstood so widely? Innit?)
With apologies to Armstrong and Miller.
T
--
Tim Hill,
www.timil.com
Re: Layout of this site?
In article <3c5a8d3b50.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > On 13 Mar 2009, Frank de Bruijn wrote: [Snip] > > Solution? Use absolute positioning for the images as well or redesign > > the site (forcing people to scroll browser windows sideways is evil). > Oh, well, I'll leave it up to you to tell them that :-) Hey! Interesting use of multiple . The author is lucky it didn't all end up spiralling off the screen onto the floor. Photos with captions is a popular reason to (ab)use tables but its much better to use summat like phpshow: http://panmental.de/public/programming_projects/Slideshow%20script%20in%20PHP/ Some of it needs javascript so it's not entirely suitable to be mentioned on this list. Sorry. :-( -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Link colour
In article <85d3403c50.da...@david.wanadoo.fr>, David J Worden wrote: [snip] > Whatever its shortcomings may be, I have graduated via Fresco, Oregano > and Oregano2 to NetSurf and I now use it exclusively under RISC OS > (other than when checking that my websites work satisfactorily with > the other browsers). Absolutely. "Me too." I was not meaning to cast aspersions on the excellent work by the NetSurf team. I find it so quick (combined with booting RISC OS) that compared to loading FF (on a reasonably quick but booting PC) I can have researched something via Google all the way to a page that doesn't quite work in RO Netsurf and transferred a URL file to a common directory before the PC has booted and FF is ready to paste it in! Though less capable, I find it an invaluably better tool in terms of productivity. It is no wonder to me that FF on Iyonix is slow and not because anything its porter has done, I am certain. It means that the native NetSurf is streets ahead of the competition, albeit without some of the wallpaper and ornaments. At least I can be pretty sure that if a web page works as intended in Netsurf it will pretty much work everywhere. After that I find MIE the quirky one for which changes to table cell alignment have to be made, for one thing. NetSurf has its foibles but so does everything. If you have many web sites gradually to change over to CSS it is a simple-ish exercise to begin by adding after the and change to on every page. Webchange is ideal for this. http://www.webchange.co.uk/ If you have all your web sites stored in a master web site directory (as here) those changes can be made to every HTML page in every site in one go. Then give each web site its own style.css file. Unfortunately, if you have the habit of varying the old attributes from page to page this will be of limited use. ;-) Also unfortunately, there are some issues with NetSurf loading CSS files locally so you may not know it all works except when uploaded to your web space. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Extracting a JPEG from a web page for a backdrop generator
In article <5040ace5f2ris...@gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery wrote: > Ref: JPEG only required > Adjust-clicking over the save icon or Shift-F3 or even Select-clicking > the packet icon if ButtonBar is loaded enables me to do a full-save on > a selected image resolution on a site like > http://hubblesite.org/gallery/wallpaper > * and then dragging to a filer > window. The full-saved file can then be opened, the relevant jpeg > identified, selected and dragged to a filer window. The unwanted html > gifs and css can then be binned. If many images are needed it becomes > quite time consuming - Is there a simpler way? Yes. navigate to the page which contains the image you want and drag it from the page to the filer. A slightly more long-winded way is to click menu over the image on the page then follow Object > Object > Save > and save it! > If I had the programming skills I would write a routine to this > automatically. Someone already has! > *Incidentally what a superb site. Indeed. Setting up Organizer to open APOD is great too: Create a task alarm with URIdispatch http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ in the Message section. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: automating login details
In article <3591db4c50@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > is there any way of automatically providing my username and password > when i go to a certain website i need to use frequently? > i have got as far as saving a URL file so that at least i don't have > to type that part every time. perhaps there's a standard way (which i > should know but don't) of including the username and password in the > URL file? It depends entirely on the site in question. A look at the HTML of the signing in page may give some clues - please email the page or the URL and I'll take a look. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Nominate NetSurf!
In article , Richard Porter wrote: > On 23 May 2009 Dave Lawton wrote: > > On Sat, May 23, 2009 10:33 am, Richard Porter wrote: > >> for SourceForge Community Choice Award 2009 > >> > > Snip Richard's link which doesn't seem to work properly > Eh? it was Ctrl-dragged straight from Netsurf's URL bar and certainly > works for me. It might not work with some browsers that can't handle > the escaped characters. > > Hopefully this one will [Snip] Not perhaps the control chars but the fact it was split across lines as this one is too. > > http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/nominate/?project_name=NetSurf&; > > project_url=http://sourceforge.net/projects/netsurf/ tinyurl.com is invaluable if you chose to use an editor which breaks long urls: http://tinyurl.com/vote4NetSurf is much better. :-) T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: NetSurf rendering speed test
In article , Chris Young wrote: > Hello :) > Please can somebody try accessing the following site in NetSurf and > tell me how it compares speed-wise to any other page: > http://www.amigaimpact.org Seems like any other well served page: loads in a couple of seconds and scrolls immediately and smoothly with page up/down or with window tools. Iyonix RISC OS 5.15 and NetSurf r7518 HTH [Snip] -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: target=_new_window
In article <1d1e386a50.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > On 12 Jun 2009 Rob Kendrick wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:41:04 +0100 Richard Porter > > wrote: > >> I can't see why you'd need to open a new window unless you are going > >> to put something in it. > > I can't see why web masters seem to think I'm not able to do it > > myself if I wish, personally. > > It's not really NetSurf's fault if a web site does something thick. > I agree entirely, but I suspect that the designers think that everyone > has a PDF plugin and will display the document in the browser window. This happens in the pee sea too. It is equally frustrating with Firefox when a PDF handler has been installed and the damn' thing still opens blank windows. IIRC the answer with NetSurf is to shift/click the link. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Slashdot unloadable
In article , Ian J Hartley wrote: > In message > li...@davebarnett.me.uk wrote: > > Using r7730 on 4.39, attempting to load Slashdot http://slashdot.org/ > > causes Netsurf icon to disappear from the iconbar. > Dose not disappear here r7730 on Iyonix. Nor here on r7730 (RISC OS 5.15). -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: NS2.1 Unicode font library could not be initialized
In article <20090706092842.4389c...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:01:42 +0100 Dave Symes > wrote: > > In article <20090706003522.53717...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>, > >Rob Kendrick wrote: > > > On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:03:02 +0100 Mike Hobbs > > > wrote: > > > > > > And all this trouble seems to be over fonts which NetSurf is > > > > never likely to use. > > > > > But NetSurf doesn't know this unless it scans them. The solution > > > to people swapping their sets of fonts all the time is to remove > > > the reason for them swapping fonts all the time. > > Could you expand on that a bit Rob... Not quite sure what you meant? > I'm not sure how; I don't understand why people swap their fonts > around. To make use of them? I don't understand how anyone can manage with (a) only a handful of font families, and (b) everything they produce looking 'the same'. :-) With hundreds of magpied font families, some may only be used once or never, for a specific (printed on paper) document or to create a web image. You use a font manager to avoid having hundreds of seldom-used decorative and blackletter fonts active all the time and consequent slowness and HUGE font menus in programs such as (insert name of any program which allows you to select a font). I would imagine that if I didn't swap active fonts around, and had them all active all the time, NetSurf would take at least three eons to scan them all several times every day and other software would explode, as would my brain. ;-) I have tried it now: my usual active collection on Myonix takes a few mere seconds to be scanned. It has just taken 15 minutes to scan all 200 or so families and the NetSurf font picker is 40 screens high. Soft loading RISC OS 5.15 at boot seems always to cause NetSurf to re-scan fonts (don't get me wrong; this is not a major issue to me - I don't mind it scanning my active fonts!). If I load an old document by dropping it on my font manager to auto-activate the (probably decorative) fonts it contains the next load of NetSurf (RUfl?) detects the change and it then chunters though the font scanning doo-dad again. Again, not a problem with only a few active fonts. > As soon as somebody works out why, perhaps they could put some > effort into removing the reasons. I don't imagine many people will change the way they work. Too many (not that many) active fonts results in very long and unwieldy font menus and general font related slowness. So, would somebody please re-write every app which has a font menu to provide instead a standard interface to my font collection ordered by the arbitrary groups I keep them in. i.e. detect the next font I select with EasyFontPro and use that. It appears there is an "incompatibility" between NetSurf's approach and font managers which hide the bulk of your collection from the font$path. It seems that RUfl assumes we don't change the 'active' selection more often than its developer changes his. ;-) For all the font scanning, though, I have a font Inkburrow but NetSurf doesn't use it even though it's active and here in h1: http://www.sarva.co.uk/style.css A different font issue methinks but ironic that NetSurf has bothered to scan this active font but isn't able to use it, except maybe if it has unique unicode characters to substitute elsewhere.
Re: NS2.1 Unicode font library could not be initialized
In article <507792044drh.li...@phone.coop>, Russell Hafter - Lists wrote: [Snip] Replied off-list.
NS2.1 Unicode font library could not be initialized
In article <1247005795.32517.169.ca...@duiker>, John-Mark Bell wrote: > Not really. There's just no sensible way to determine that the > available fonts have changed. ? Other apps (e.g. Artworks) seem to notice when changes are made to the available fonts. > At least, not without yet another support > module. Ah.
Re: NS2.1 Unicode font library could not be initialized
In article <1247166925.32517.183.ca...@duiker>, John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 19:35 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: > > In article <1247005795.32517.169.ca...@duiker>, John-Mark Bell > > wrote: > > > Not really. There's just no sensible way to determine that the > > > available fonts have changed. > > > > ? Other apps (e.g. Artworks) seem to notice when changes are made to > > the available fonts. > > > > > At least, not without yet another support module. > > > > Ah. > There are many useful state-change notifications which are only sent to > modules. The font path changing is one of them. > Aside from this, making RUfl (and its clients) able to handle this > information is decidedly non-trivial. Personally, I've better things to > be doing with my time. Fair enough. As I have said elsewhere, I don't find font scanning too intrusive personally and frankly though it would perhaps be more complete to include such functionality there would be little or no benefit in scanning many fonts used on an ad-hoc basis. There are even other font issues more pressing than this, never mind the other more beneficial things you are up to. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Lists
In article <9990838e50.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > Something funny's happened recently with unordered (and probably > ordered) lists. If the list is centred on the page, then the text of > the list items is centred but the bullet is left aligned. > This isn't usually a problem because I would normally put the list > inside a table to left-align the items but centre the list as a whole > (I'm sure somebody will point out that I should be doing it in css). You can try one two buckle but that doesn't work either. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Running out of memory
In article <6e37389b50.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > On 15 Sep 2009 Chris Newman wrote: > > I'd also like a copy as my backups don't go back that far. (A lesson > > learned there then). I'm sure you don't want to be pestered by oodles > > of us asking for a copy. Could anyone host that version for us all to > > have access to. > I've uploaded a copy to http://www.richardporter.me.uk/riscos/r8643.zip To further assist anyone, I have uploaded my most recent seven NetSurf downloads: r9554, r7730, r7518, r7188, r7024, r6662 and r6397. I have earlier versions too, if anyone is interested, but I'll not upload any of those until someone asks. They are in their original format (zip files called netsurf.zip) so please take care. My NetSurf downloads are here: www.timil.com/riscos/netsurf T -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup
In article <4c6a9b0d0909160539q561ea62aj8996cbfdc7813...@mail.gmail.com>, A W wrote: [Snip] > Can you not just take some time out and modify the RO front end? I know the answer is going to be: If has the time and enthusiasm, why doesn't do the job? Round-and-round we go. It has been stated clearly here and elsewhere that the (former RISC OS) developers have moved on and don't use RISC OS as much as some of the rest of us (probably partly because RISC OS lacks a fully capable browser;). What I believe is needed is a RISC OS devotee who both has the time and the ability to program in whatever environment is suited to continued development of the RISC OS version. Some of us may think we could do it if it was in well commented BBC Basic but I suspect that not to be the case! Personally, the only way I could do it would be to learn the rest of 'C' first and then get stuck in to the probable hours, days, weeks, months necessary. I and others need to eat, pay bills and have a roof above. Bluntly, if users stump up some cash, I or someone else could do it after a bit of re-training. In the meantime, continued begging at the feet of the developers is unlikely to bear fruit. They have moved on. Though why onto other platforms replete with more capable browsers may remain a mystery to some of us. ;-) Are there 500 user of the RISC OS version of NetSurf willing to donate £4 a month to support a developer? www.pledgebank.com/netsurf4riscos Go on, prove the septics wrong -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup
In article <509ca47aa6rh.li...@phone.coop>, Russell Hafter - Lists wrote: > The adverts tend to take much longer to load than the actual data, and > they also reload frequently. AFAIK the adverts are loaded using > Javascript, so with NetSuf they do not load. Many adverts on the Web these days are Flash animations. On a pee sea I have installed Flash blockers in order to make sites like the Radio Times acceptable which makes FF more like NS!!! Some advertisers must have become wise to this as some seem to be reverting to animated GIFs. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup
In article <20090918232452.30c5f...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:58:23 +0100 Tim Hill wrote: > > Are there 500 user of the RISC OS version of NetSurf willing to > > donate £4 a month to support a developer? > > > > www.pledgebank.com/netsurf4riscos > Can I ask what happens if your patches aren't accepted, for whatever > reason? > This is why we've never taken any money for development. Suddenly a > hobby becomes a ball and chain. "whoosh" (That's the sound of the point being missed by nearly everyone.)
Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup
In article <20090919113634.422f6...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > I think you can assume that if everybody's missed your point, it is > your explanation of it that is at fault. Perhaps you could try again? I have not given a simple explanation so I can't try again; but I didn't expect everyone to be so slow on the uptake. ;-) Just think about what the motivation was to ask for 500 (FIVE HUNDRED) people to fund development of ANY RISC OS app before results are known of the outcome. (We have all been kicked in the balls too often by jam tomorrow scenarios I'll wager). I was responding to the bleaters who think you and others should drop everything and get on with the RISC OS stuff. A few people may commit to paying someone who otherwise has no time but will 500? That was rhetorical, by the way. As I said elsewhere, if the sky turns yellow with pink spots and 500 people commit to support a developer, it won't necessarily be me - the pledge is just worded that way. Is that clear now? -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Google Summer of Code Roundup
In article , Vince M Hudd wrote: > Rob Kendrick wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:42:49 +0100 Tim Hill wrote: > > > As I said elsewhere, if the sky turns yellow with pink spots and > > > 500 people commit to support a developer, it won't necessarily be > > > me - the pledge is just worded that way. > > > > Is that clear now? > > > As mud. > Tim was, I think, saying that there quite simply _won't_ be 500 people > coming forward to make a pledge. The point he was - obtusely - making > is that users are happy to sit back and moan about how things they > aren't paying for aren't being done the way they'd like, but not > (enough would) offer financial support to make it more viable for > someone to devote more time to it. > Or something along those lines. I suspect. Quite. And not just because there are not 500 users that keen. Paying up front for stuff in /our/ marketplace is fraught with danger, whether it be for software, a magazine subscription, or a new laptop. Only 497 to go...
Re: Global history in RISC OS
In article , Dr Peter Young wrote: > Ah, but I can load it into StrongED and search for URLs and launch > them from there. You may have to edit some as the URL has been split. > Shortcuts for hotlist and global history are now > both in my NeXTBar. Problem solved! Maybe so, and I may be thick: Open a NetSurf window. click the History button. In the Global History window History > Export > drag the HTML icon to the NetSurf iconbar icon or the filer or whatever. Ah, doesn't it look like Fresco. ;-) That seems to provide exactly what you are after. Two clicks, a slide and a drag too many? -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: RISC OS autobuilder re-enabled
In article <5109526ca3t...@netsurf-browser.org>, Michael Drake wrote: > Please test the latest build [Snip] > I'd like to hear from users of NetSurf and WebJames on the same > machine. The old deadlocking issue should be fixed, so please let us > know if things are now working as they should. Hurrah! I can confirm this combination now works! Aw, and I was just getting used to having to use ChromePlus in the pee sea to test my local sites. :-) -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Amusing logic
[huge snip of QUOTED mis-posting} You didn't mean to post this here did you? Please don't reply to this!
Re: test builds after 2.5
In article <56328.82.109.43.222.1274200724.squir...@91.84.211.154>, Steve Fryatt wrote: [snip] > And, for the record, once things have stabilised following 2.5, I hope > there will still be work done on the RISC OS front-end -- time > permitting. Excellent news. Thanks for the clarification. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: test builds after 2.5
In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 18 May, george wrote in message : > > You did say it. OK, the word 'stable' was not used, but implied: see > > TIB article 'Last RISC OS version of NetSurf announced', dated 14 Jan > > 2010: > > > > "Team spokesman Michael Drake said earlier today: "NetSurf 2.5 is > > likely to be the last release for RISC OS. It is unlikely that RISC > > OS development builds will function for much longer after this, > > either." > You can make statements say anything you want, if you take selective > bits out of context and quote them. The rest of that Iconbar article > made the situation clear, although the headline was a lillte tabloid > (and I pointed that out at the time). Well, tabloid papers tell lies, so what does that mean?! ;-) Before entering into another "didn't say that" debate may I please point out that the essence of good communication is ensuring that the message received is the one sent. If discussion reveals that an unintended message is received by some there can be many reasons for this, not just what was originally (not) said. Constantly repeating 'that's not what was meant, read it' is unhelpful if the wrong nuances are still clouding minds. What does 'likely' mean to different people? Almost certain? Many corporate press releases are intended to clarify as well as inform. I believe that you have confirmed that limited development of RISC OS NetSurf continues, despite the /impression/ given elsewhere. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: test builds after 2.5
In article <7c95871951.davehig...@dsl.pipex.com>, Dave Higton wrote: > In message <20100518172458.4024b...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net> Rob > Kendrick wrote: > > On Tue, 18 May 2010 16:35:12 +0100 george > > wrote: > > > > > Since the developers have stated that NetSurf 2.5 will be the last > > > stable RISC OS release > > > > Where did the developers say this? I don't remember any of us every > > saying this. Just that it was likely if somebody didn't come in and > > help with the RISC OS front end. > > > > Can people who keep saying this please stop saying it until we say it. > Agreed. I continue to be amazed at the number of people who post to RO > mailing lists and newsgroups, who have poor comprehension skills; i.e. > they read some words and somehow extract a meaning from them that is > clearly different from what was written. Welcome to the real world. www.plainspeaking..co.uk is worth a read. A tip: try and avoid woolly words and be precise in what you say. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Viewing box outlines
In article <8ed4de1951.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > On 19 May 2010 Gavin Wraith wrote: > > I am happy to see the SHIFT-F11 function for viewing box outlines. > > How does one turn it off? > SHIFT-F11 Or click a button with www.timil.com/riscos/Buttonbar4Netsurf.zip -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: star-command to fetch a web page
In article , Jim Nagel wrote: > does there exist a command i can put in an obeyfile or type in a > taskwindow that would tell the browser to fetch a certain web page? > (and launch the browser if it's not already running?) > e.g. *heyfetch > i'm trying to set up a Keystroke to do this from a selected bit in a > textfile. *wget is on the right line but of course fetches the stuff > only as text in a taskwindow. URIdispatch http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ works in Organizer as a task alarm or in an obey file. I guess that's what you're after. :-) -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: star-command to fetch a web page
In article <5c25af3151@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: [Snip] > (Impulse, i now recall, is the Computer Concepts behind-the-scenes > protocol by which operations such as mailmerge are done. i'm curious > now to know what else it can do.) I'm sure others will answer that but I was under the impression (hah!) that Impulse started out as CC's replacement for the Arthur OS which they decided was unable to run decent software on the Archimedes. RISC OS hit the streets first but Impulse was retained to provide their proprietary means of clipboard handling, for example. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Netsurf failure on a BBC site
In article <0a7a9a3351.michaelb...@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>, Michael Bell wrote: > In message <1278590633.4c35bea90a...@netmail.pipex.net> dave higton >wrote: > > Quoting Michael Bell : > >> A Netsurf failure log, it trips up on some sites but the BBC is > >> usually kosher. > > Is there any reason that you didn't report this as a bug via the > > proper route instead of sending here? > > Dave > Because I didn't know the proper route. Tell it to me. > Michael Bell In NetSurf's hotlist follow the entry NetSurf to 'NetSurf bug tracker' where you can peruse 1125 entries before using 'add new' if you need to. HTH -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Netsurf failure on a BBC site
In article <861b503451.old_coas...@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > On 9 Jul 2010, Harriet Bazley wrote: > [snip] > > Presumably we're still supposed to be using the page pointed to via > > 'Contact the developers' in .Docs.welcome.index_en, i.e. > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=51719&atid=464312 > > > > Or has this, as comments further down this thread suggest, been > > superseded by some other bug tracker - the Sourceforge one doesn't > > seem to sport a 'Groups' pulldown menu > Try http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=51719&atid=464312 > which allows a new bug to be added. The address which you quote, above, > leads to a schedule of previously reported bugs. ...but you do want to peruse that full list _before_ submitting a new bug which isn't, don't you? The page address linked to the bug tracker from the hotlist in V.3.00 is http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=464312&group_id=51719 -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Netsurf failure on a BBC site
In article , Tony Moore wrote: > On 10 Jul 2010, Anthony Hilton wrote: > [snip] > > Or is an old hotlist in use because we have actually added entries or > > our own? > > > > Whenever I install a new versionn of Netsurf I delete the previous > > before placing the latest into the directory where I store it. > That will not affect the Hotlist, which is stored in > choices:www.NetSurf together with choices, cookies etc. Something has affected my hotlists! I have older versions of NetSurf's choices stored here: the one dated 2004-10-31 has the two entries mentioned hereabouts but two dated 2007-01-03 both have all five hotlist entries (and that's all). Currently I am using (and I have always used) a development version which I see needs to be updated as it's r10466 and I'm sure it's past that now. IIRC, if you rename Boot:Choices.WWW.NetSurf to something else a new NetSurf choices folder will be created. Perhaps including the elusive hotlist entries. It will be easy enough to copy across (bits of) files you want to keep as they're all pretty straightforward and human-readable. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: e-address not shown
In article <20110221115811.gc3...@rjek.com>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:54:00AM +, Richard Porter wrote: > > On 21 Feb 2011 Erving wrote: > > > > > Why is it that > > > > > http://www.brentfordhighstreet.com//index.php?option=com_mtree&task=vi > > > ewlink&link_id=49&Itemid= > > > > > viewed with Firefox displays the E-mail address but with NetSurf > > > there is just a blank space? > > > > I haven't looked at it, but I suspect they're using javascript to > > display the address in the hope that spambots won't pick it up. I'd > > be very surprised if any self-respecting spambot would baulk at a > > little bit of javascript. > And indeed they don't. Firstly, it's not a common method of harvesting > anymore (they just blat the mail server with a million random addresses > in the hope one will stick), and secondly rendering engines are fast > enough these days that when spidering, they just lay it out and scrape > the result. And for some reason, the twerp who has used this javascript to 'hide' the email address has used the addresses as the links on the page so they can be easily scraped, or cut and pasted: there are simpler and more complex methods which hide things better from spambots and/or people. These days it is more important to have good ISP filters in place which at least rid you of the tiny minority of people who are known spammers. With good filters in place you can splash your email address across the 'net with gay abandon. -- Tim Hill, www.timil.com
Re: Shortcut for Save Location??
In article <9a25cab051.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > Steve, > Is it possible for us to have a keyboard shortcut key for > Page > Save Location > Ant URL / Acorn URI > please. [Snip] Is there a reason why you don't or the URL from the address bar? I appreciate this is a keyboard shortcut involving the mouse (!) but it is better than navigating menus IMO. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: r11929 not downloading properly
In article <4d775095.30...@druck.org.uk>, David J. Ruck wrote: > On 09/03/2011 09:53, Brian Bailey wrote: > [Mimemap] > > I've got both the new and the old files open in front of me at the > > moment and there appear to be significant differences between the > > two, just related to Archive, zip and other related file types. I > > have to ask, because I have no way of understanding/assessing these > > differences myself, is 20110307 'correct', please? It is /for me/. > The moto of the story is; don't update system files which you don't > understand with those from 3rd parties, if your machine is working > correctly - i.e. it hasn't been recommended to solve a particular > problem you have experienced. > This isn't the first time there have been problems with Tim's mimemap > files. Really? Please tell me about any specific /unresolved/ problems. (Naturally everything else released is always perfect and never needs updates...) . There are sometimes clashes between how one person wants something mapped and another. The software you have is likely different to mine. Some entries are how they are because it /works for me/ as I think is clearly and probably over-stated everywhere. If there hadn't been a complete balls-up by archiving software (using the same filetype for different content which couldn't be read by different programs) the Archive filetype wouldn't be in the mess that it's in! Fortunately, those of us blessed with SparkFS are hidden from these issues as it doesn't seem to matter what compressed filetype is used for zip or arc. SparkFS sorts it all out and re-types if necessary. Perhaps having that has made me complacent. Certainly, it is not a problem here but I will make changes asked (a) if it benefits others and (b) has no detrimental effect here. :-) I remember there were issues with RISC OS .arc files being uploaded onto web sites as .zip because some web servers didn't know what to do with an .arc. Then at least if all archives (.zip and .arc) became Archive/DDC it would download and could be sorted out later. Perhaps people should also consider giving feedback in the way requested instead of sniping in an irrelevant forum which only coincidentally I read. Perhaps someone else could help by publishing details of all up-to-date filetype allocations. Apart from rummaging though various !Boot files the lists available online state clearly that DDC /is/ ZIP and that A91 not only does not exist, if it did it is in an area of the types reserved for 'Acorn and other commercial software'. Given that many zip progs are not commercial we must assume that different criteria are used by RISC OS Ltd to allocate filetypes. I wonder what. Ah! Because SparkFS is commercial perhaps. I would have thought &219 would have been more memorable and relevant to being a .zip file. ;-o RISCOS Ltd were gathering information to publish all this filetype stuff online in 2002 and 2003 so it must be nearly ready by now. http://www.riscos.com/news/news_items/PR211002.htm Good grief. If something goes wrong, or it doesn't work as you wish, restore your backup mimemap file. If you didn't make one /as instructed/, take this pointy hat and sit in the corner. If you still have problems or suggestions, /contact me by email/. Further discussion here about my mimemap file will be ignored by me as this is not where it belongs. Sorry about the long posting. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: r11929 not downloading properly
Thanks for the feedback. Funny, though. I don't remember asking for it to be posted to this Iyonix-specific group. In article , David Pitt wrote: [Snip] > > > > www.timil.com/riscos/mimemap [Snip] > application/zip Archive a91 .zip > which needs to be :- > application/zip Zip a91 .zip [Snip] Okay, that change makes sense and will be made to the file for the next release soon. Do you think I should change the catch-all zip entry too, or didn't you look that far? Perhaps consider that .zip .arc and for that matter .cab are all classified as Archive types in the pee sea and the official Acorn position used to be that many types (.ARJ, .GZ, .HPK, .HQX, .LHA, .LZH, .SIT, .SPK, .UU, .ZIP or .ZOO ) were included in &DDC as a result. That and the problem that .arc files used not to be recognised by some web servers so knowing all Archive types were DDC anyway, .arc files would be called .zip instead so they would download. Uploaders didn't always think to call them leafname.arc.zip though, which may have saved me a few headaches in the past. This is partly why a mimemap file may need to be tailored for each system. It is unlikely there will ever be one size fits all. Your software and ability will determine your needs but then so will any file you may try and download tomorrow. I try to keep my mimemap up-to-date so as not to be surprised, even if I download, say, an .flv or .docx file. We used to suffer many comments on c.s.a.usenet along the lines of "I have downloaded a file with extension .xxx but it is typed 000 and appears as a white square. I can't get it to run [etc]". Having a mimemap file as up-to-date-as possible will avoid such confusion. Beware some people who operate on the "wait 'til it breaks then fix it" paradigm. They just like telling you what to do when it does. :-) You managed to email me last year when you had a suggestion about mimemap, I'm not sure why you thought it necessary or appropriate to rant in semi-public and give Druck the chance to whinge. ;-) Sorry, this is my last posting on the topic here. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: RISC OS SW Show 2011
In article , Erving wrote: > From: Brian Bailey Date: 12 Mar 2011 > > In article , David Pitt > > wrote: > > > > snip > > > Like this?? > > > > > http://www.a4com.de/riscos/46auto/Medium/P9271641.JPG >^ ^^^ I wonder > how this got changed? It took me ages to spot why this link did not > work, so easy to see what you expect, not what is actually there! I know exactly how. JPG is not in Brian Bailey's Pluto spell check dict. Perhaps next time he needs to add JPG to his dictionary instead of just hitting return and taking whatever alteration the program suggests! Mangled URLs are not uncommon. Going back to the Original posting often sorts it. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: mobile Facebook
In article , Jim Nagel wrote: [facebook] > can't work out how to post a picture, but still quite usable. Not with NetSurf directly but photos can be sent by email. http://www.facebook.com/mobile/ for your personalised address (needs javascript). The Subject of the email is the attached photo's caption. (Been meaning do that myself: send them with Pluto, rather than firing up a bloated browser on an already busy PC has got to be quicker.) Or straight from a camera phone via an App, MMS, or email of course. How long will it be before every camera has a 'share' button? These will have one: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dadgrvAQrRAJ:www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml%3Fpq-path%3D2709%26pq-locale%3Den_US%26gpcid%3D0900688a80c5a9c4+facebook+button+camera&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&ie=UTF-8&source=www.google.co.uk -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
OT (was:Re: Sloppy writing generates false positive spam warnings (was Re: aggravating pane))
In article , Simon Smith wrote: > On 18 Mar, Jim Nagel wrote in message > <286dfbb551@nails.abbeypress.net>: > > there appears to be no way to scroll right to read the rest of the > > text in the inner pane of this warning generated by Netsurf: > > www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NS-certificatepane.png (12K). > Those two very vague subjects of 'aggravating pane' and 'mobile > Facebook' (sic) combined with the mostly lower-case, unpunctuated body > text both looked so much like maillist spam to me that I nearly > consigned the original poster to spam-filter oblivion without looking > any closer. You need to write more properer than that, Jim; it's a bad > idea to write so sloppily you generate false positives on people's spam > filters. I'm not even talking about a computer-controlled filter here - > this time you almost fooled the human. And if I'd actually bothered to > set up a computer-moderated filter with the criteria I was mentally > applying, you certainly would have been caught by it. This is a good example of stifling creativity or at least a personal style. One could criticise you for your subjective assessment of perfectly good subject lines, sentence length, use of words such as 'properer' and 'maillist', mis-use of a semi-colon, starting a sentence with 'And', the use of contractions in written English, and a split infinitive. Pot. Kettle. i am sure jim may ignore the shift key and punctuation for a good reason no meaning is lost Perhaps you should use an ISP who uses proper spam eradication techniques instead of a sledgehammer approach based on what you think prose should look like. While you ponder that, please also reply elsewhere as your post had nothing to do with the brilliant NetSurf.
OpenDNS and (Re: Problem on test build page.)
In article <51b7e679a2brian.jord...@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
wrote:
> In article <20110322095119.ga4...@digital-scurf.org>, Daniel
> Silverstone wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 04:44:09PM +, Dr Peter Young wrote:
> > > Internal Server Error
> > Could you please let us know which URL is causing this error, and
> > whether or not it still does?
> I confirm that I also see what Peter has reported.
> All of the links under Recent SVN Activity on
> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/riscos/testbuilds give an
> error page when clicked on eg 12120 leads to
> http://source.netsurf-browser.org/?rev=12120&view=rev
[Snip]
As a side note, this also reveals that OpenDNS may not be a good idea
with NetSurf because OpenDNS error pages use javascript and the
section doesn't work here either.
(Yes, I know, I cried too..)
The page address returned is
http://guide.opendns.com/?url=source.netsurf-browser.org%2F%3Frev%3D12120%26view%3Drev&servfail
Here's the noscript bit...
The page is completely blank in NetSurf.
--
Tim Hill
..
www.timil.com
Re: OpenDNS and (Re: Problem on test build page.)
In article <20110322111353.gb15...@rjek.com>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > Anyway, this isn't related to NetSurf, or the problem reported (which > is an accidental server misconfiguration, not a DNS fault.) What about its inablility to render the bit in my OP? -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: iGoogle not displaying?
In article , Brian Howlett wrote: > On 24 Mar, Chris Shepheard wrote: > > Has anybody else found that the iGoogle page no longer displays on > > Netsurf? [Snip] > > I'm pretty sure this problem > > must be the result of a change in the page that Google is sending. Indeed. > On the latest version (r12128) it just displays the page's background > colour as well. View Source shows that pretty much the whole page is > Javascript, so it's no wonder NetSurf fails to render it. There is a section which should display: it tells you to enable javascript! -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
OT other browsers (was Re: iGoogle not displaying?)
In article <51b97dea78d...@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > Rumours? of a version 4, keep up that man at the back, Beta 4 versions > have been out and about for ages... Well I've had them on my machines > for what seems like ages. ;-) Though (very) OT for this group new adopters of FF4 may wish to take care. Since the last few iterations of the beta version (and the release candidate!) of FF4 I have had many problems with its inability to correctly work alongside Adobe Viewer in some cases. Being unable to print postage created on the Royal Mail's site is a pain in the bum. FF is also dreadfully slow to load compared to Chrome10 and MIE8. And there are other things FF and MIE can do that Chrome can't. I am sorry to report I find myself using MIE more and more these days. Mozilla's FF has, unfortunately joined the slow bloatware club with a platinum membership. Others with faster, newer PCs may not notice quite so much. (Any responses elsewhere please) -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: setting size and position of window
In article <0a05d4bb51@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel wrote: > can anybody suggest a trick whereby i could make a Netsurf window open > at a certain size and position on screen, to display a local file? > the page in mind is the control panel for my networked monsterprinter. > it's useful to have it handy during a print job without taking up too > much screen space. Alternatively, if you have a tailored browser homepage (I use the same one across all browsers on all OSes on my local network) you could include an of the appropriate size and position containing your printer's home page. I use one here to include a local webcam which 'refreshes itself' but it could just as easily hold any page, local or otherwise. It can be found directly here: http://42.tjrh.eu/ when Myonix is up. (i.e. it's not a copy, it's my actual homepage here served by WebJames) Warning: some people will hate this page with a vengeance. At times I do. It may pass the validator but If you are easily offended by too much content, an over-use of tables for layout, unnecessary transparency, garish background images and some links which seem simply broken, walk away now. Thank you. It has been gestating since 2004 but has grown into a ratty toddler. ;-) It is interesting to use a mainstream browser alongside NetSurf to see the differences in rendering. Not many, really, except the lack of opacity in NetSurf's CSS and its occasional extra line feed in table cells. That, and you miss the google ads included by using a javascript script. Shame. ;-) -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search
In article <671ef3c551.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, Tony Moore wrote: > First may I join in thanks to the Developers, for their continued work > on this project. It is greatly appreciated here. Hear, hear. On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement search from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the bar and a search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find http://banana -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Searching from the URL text input icon - RISC OS (was:Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search)
In article , Chris Young wrote: > On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: > > On the subject of searching, is there any future plan to implement > > search from the URL bar? I would like to type, say, 'banana' into the > > bar and a search result to appear if a DN lookup fails to find > > http://banana > That was present at one point but has been disabled/removed. Some of > the other frontends have a dedicated search bar alongside the URL bar, > you might want to put a feature request in for one to be added to the > RISC OS frontend. Um, no. I would rather the search from the RISC OS front end was performed from the single text input icon, as I think I said. Having a 'search box' alongside it is a waste of screen real-estate as it could be performed within existing furniture. I understand there may be technical problems to be overcome and some DNSes which misbehave so an activate/deactivate option would seem to be appropriate. (In a similar way, OpenDNS can return javascript-laden - i.e. blank - error pages so I don't use that service any more.) Searching from the URL input icon would be not only handy, it makes sense anyway: that is where the cursor is placed when a NetSurf window is opened. Plus, I would rather a clean Google Chrome look than a more cluttered FF or Microsoft Internet 'Exploder' look (I know: in later versions they can be 'streamlined' a bit). ;-) Bizarrely, the latter and other mainstream browsers /do/ search from the URL bar but still provide a specific search box alongside. Why? :-/ You can then add more downloaded toolbar clutter with free games which inevitably add yet more search boxes; I cleaned up two users' browsers yesterday. In one case nearly 50% of the screen was covered in add-on toolbars to MIE. :-o Doncha just love Windows' redundancy paradigm? Thanks heavens for f11. I think what I most like about both Chrome and NetSurf is that they are both more like swans, with a clean and simple appearance above the waterline... . Other browsers could be compared to other, less attractive, aquatic things. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: Searching from the URL text input icon - RISC OS (was:Re: netsurf 2.7 and google-search)
In article <0bd6efc751.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > On 22 Apr 2011 Tim Hill wrote: > > In article > > , > > Chris Young wrote: > >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:12:23 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: [Snip] > > Um, no. I would rather the search from the RISC OS front end was > > performed from the single text input icon, as I think I said. Having > > a 'search box' alongside it is a waste of screen real-estate as it > > could be performed within existing furniture. > I agree, but why not just put a search box on your local home page? I have, but when you open a NetSurf window, the cursor isn't in the search box, it remains in the URL. Also, it would be just simpler and quicker not to have to load another page just to search from one you have finished with. > My > default startup page has [Snip] Mine has lots of stuff too. http://dev.timil.com ;-) > [snip] > > In one case nearly 50% of the screen was covered in add-on toolbars > > to MIE. :-o Doncha just love Windows' redundancy paradigm? Thanks > > heavens for f11. > I've just had to set up a Windross laptop. Internet Exploder was so > full of crap I didn't even bother to clean it up - I just used it to > download Firefox. Sadly, I seem only to be able reliably to download pre-paid postage PDFs from royalmail.com with MIE and even then, it took a second attempt today. Perhaps someone from RM can explain* why something so intrinsically simple (printing a stamp) has to be made so darned complex. If the final item wears one of those square barcode thingies, simple PHP HTML and forms and output to an image file ought to do. Grown like topsy, it has. Sorry, now OT, 'bye. T * any questions herein are rhetorical. ;-) -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Generic 'font' styling in CSS
In article , Harriet Bazley wrote: > So, should work... > and yes, it does. :-) http://www.w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_font Is another good example. (For anyone not familiar, http://w3schools.com is an excellent resource. Whilst full explanations are not always there, examining their code - maybe cutting and pasting - pays dividends. I say maybe because it doesn't work with Netsurf it seems.) -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: Generic 'font' styling in CSS
In article <51d9dde821joh...@ukgateway.net>, John Williams wrote: > In article <51d9dc4a02...@timil.com>, Tim Hill wrote: [snip] Okay, you can forget what I posted, which was wrong. A re-boot reinstated NetSurf (r12443)'s ability to cut'n'paste and I have not noticed problems with any hard spaces either. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: HTML Drop-down menu on Netsurf
In article , Graham Pickles wrote: > It does not operate satisfactorily in Netsurf (r12493 - 19 Jun 2011) > being run on my RiscBook (Risc OS 4.02). The menus do not drop down. > Both the XHTML and CSS validates on W3C. I would be interested to know > the reason as I wish to develop this type of menu again and would like > to develop work using Risc OS with Netsurf as my browser. I too implemented (found on the net somewhere) a CSS menu structure which doesn't work on NetSurf but seems to be okay in other browsers. http://www.youngtheatre.co.uk/ I chose CSS and eschewed Javascript in order to appease The God Net-of-Surf. But, and this is purely a guess based on the CSS Menu sheet I found somewhere, but is it that NetSurf CSS doesn't implement what you need yet: e.g., does it 'do' 'hover' yet or is it that 'content' isn't implemented at all? In the progress documentation, 'Selectors' are 'Nearly done', 'content' is 'Not started'. http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/progress I think that if you have a look at the CSS of your menu's stylesheet against the list here, you may see what functionality is missing and why. I guess we will need to write a pop-out or drop-down menus in the bits of CSS that NetSurf does understand but I suspect it isn't possible and it needs the bits it doesn't do (yet). Unless some kind soul could point us at a CSS file which successfully implements dynamic CSS menus in NetSurf? (Though let's not go overboard à là www.RoyalMail.com if you do.) -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: HTML Drop-down menu on Netsurf
In article <3f01e750248.4c109...@smtp.ntlworld.com>, Chris Young wrote: > On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 16:44:53 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: > > I guess we will need to write a pop-out or drop-down menus in the > > bits of CSS that NetSurf does understand but I suspect it isn't > > possible and it needs the bits it doesn't do (yet). > It won't work without dynamic layout changes, currently scheduled for > NetSurf 4.0. Thanks for that. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: No more Google for us
In article , David Pitt wrote: > In message <0db4c80452.acl...@tiscali.co.uk> george >wrote: > > In message Mike > > Hobbs wrote: > >> Well, thats it then... Google requires javascript !! > >> > > Seems to work OK still under NetSurf r12638 here; I can open the > > Google home page, and navigate to the sites displayed thereon, just > > as before. What am I not understanding? > That some of us are using old versions of NetSurf. The issue has been > fixed. Unless you log in to iGoogle and then google.co.uk in NetSurf is 'blank' in NetSurf r12640. :-( -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
Re: No more Google for us
In article , Chris Shepheard wrote: > In message george >wrote: > > Aaargh! Foolishly clicked on iGoogle in NetSurf and now find myself > > trapped in the JS version and unable to revert to the non-iGoogle > > version. Is there a fix? > You'll need to delete the cookie (iconbar>Open>Sjow cookies...) then > quit and reload Netsurf.. > Now you should be able to type www.google.co.uk into the URL bar and > get the default page back. [Snip] Thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten how easy it is to do that. -- Tim Hill .. www.timil.com
