Re: Stairway to Hell
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Barry.Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "No Referer header found!" "Your browser did not send the HTTP 'Referer' > header field" Is the 'Send site referral information' option turned on in the NetSurf security settings? I routinely have this turned off, and that can lead to the error message above, in which case you need to temporarily turn it back on if you want to visit the site giving problems.
Suggestion about Netsurf website
I've got a minor suggestion for the NetSurf website Would it be possible to put a link to the bug tracker on the development builds page at http://www.netsurf-browser.org/builds/ ? I can never seem to find the bug tracker without searching through loads of pages and links. It would be quite handy to have a quick link to it. Paul
Re: Suggestion about Netsurf website
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's linked quite obviously from the front page (in the section on the > right entitled "Links"). Clicking on the NetSurf logo at the top of any > page will take you to the front page. I'm not sure there's much benefit > in adding it to the builds page, too. Oh, I guess so. I didn't spot that. I was going through the offline documentation, and it just seemed overly complex in terms of mouse clicks and searching around! :-) Just submitted a bug. Looks like font names in exported draw files are incorrect (having confirmed with Castle)
Re: Suggestion about Netsurf website
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I keep links to Netsurf, Builds and Bugs on my local home page which > opens whenever I run any browser except firefox. Or you could just > bookmark it. Yeah. I might just add a link direct on my intranet page. I don't use the bookmarks in NetSurf, mainly because it seems a bit intermittent and occasionally loses the entire bookmarks file for no apparent reason, and unrepeatable so I can't submit a bug report. I just got into the habit of not using the bookmark feature.
Serious bug in NetSurf2?
I've just discovered what I believe to be a serious bug in NetSurf2 (not tried with NS1 yet) and I'm just off to report it in the bug tracker. However, NetSurf is not correctly encoding characters in web forms. Things like %91 and %92 characters are simply encoded as question marks, which is corrupting any forms submitted via NetSurf. I've just knocked up a quick test script at http://www.truefacts.co.uk/cgi-bin/test which allows you to cut and paste characters into a form and see what they're encoded as. NetSurf is not working correctly. As an example, try pasting Israelis blew apart Syrian nuclear cache into the form. The correct output should be Israelis %91blew apart Syrian nuclear cache%91 but NetSurf is outputting Israelis %3Fblew apart Syrian nuclear cache%3F
Re: Serious bug in NetSurf2?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Vigay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just discovered what I believe to be a serious bug in NetSurf2 (not > tried with NS1 yet) and I'm just off to report it in the bug tracker. [Snip] Just a quick follow-up, having done some more tests. It also does it incorrectly on NetSurf 1.1 Bug reported in tracker
Re: Serious bug in NetSurf2?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The character set used for form submission is defined as follows: > If there is an accept-charset attribute on the form, then use the most > appropriate entry in the list. > Otherwise, if there is a document character set, use that. > Otherwise, fall back to ISO-8859-1. Cheers for clarifying that. I'll add an accept-charset=UTF-8 to my form entry on the page that was failing, and see if that fixes the problem. > Other browsers encode unrepresentable characters as if they were HTML > entities (e.g. ‘), then percent encode that (so it comes out as > %26%238216%3B). This approach forces server-side processors to be HTML > entity aware for no good reason, That's probably why it worked ok when I tested it on a variety of Mac browsers. My form processor on the server-side has got fairly good entity processing in it, so decodes the received data ok. Paul
Re: BBC "New Look" website (a bit long, sorry).
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [Snip] > I tried subscribing to this forum using RISC OS Firefox, and was > initially doing well, until Firefox did one of its "evaporating" tricks > when I tried to set a username and password. I then got, unexpectedly, a > mail from the person behind the website, saying "Thank you for joining > the Tomorrow's News Research Forum." and so on. Would you mind sharing the email address of the person who contacted you? I'm preparing an official letter to them at the moment - as managing director of a national ISP, who's had 100's of customers saying they can' access the forum site hehe. The only address I could find on their website is [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 19. Give religious tracts to each passenger.
CNN not working on NetSurf
I think something may have changed on CNNs website, as a lot (but not all) of their stories are now blank when viewed using NetSurf. For example, http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/02/blackwater.hearing/index.html doesn't display the story text, but if you press f8 to examine the source, the text is visible in the source, and appears within ... tags. I'm assuming something elsewhere on the page is confusing NetSurf? Works ok with Oregano, even with scripting turned off, so I presume it's a parsing error somewhere?
Re: Table centering going awry?
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Barry.Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> muttered: > In the latest versions of Netsurf, including 28th Oct r3636 I don't think > the table in the following link should be centered. > With version 1.1 it isn't. > http://www.zen57462.zen.co.uk/nowirul/emadd/test.htm > Is it a bug which should be reported? Yes, it's a bug. It's getting confused by the align=center in the first (outer) table. Remove that and it displays correctly.
Re: Table centering going awry?
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> muttered: > I don't think it is a bug. If you put align="center" into the table tag > then it should apply to each cell in the table unless overrridden. If > you put it in the row tag then it applies to every cell in that row > unless overridden. Therefore the contents of the outer table cell (i.e. > the inner table) should be centered. No. That's incorrect. Using a table align=center tag aligns the table itself. The inside of the table shouldn't be affected. > If you want the outer table centred, but not it's contents then use > (deprecated) or or equivalent style. That will work too.
Re: Anomaly, feature - or bug?
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Torrens (RiscOS) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> muttered: > Server Side Includes... But they're handled by the server, so if the server is working correctly, the browser won't actually see the original code, merely the HTML that the server sends to it. I presume the original poster was referring to viewing said pages in an offline mode, whereby the SSIs won't be executed and NetSurf will see the 'raw', original HTML code?
Re: bbc beta
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > It may be of interest, but it's a /total/ dog's breakfast with NetSurf. > Are they really going to foist this on us instead of the current site? Looks like they're trying to copy something like Facebook! :-(
Re: netsurf buttonbar
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Just one minor point though - when you click on a link that throws up a > save dialogue, the button bar is attached to the dialogue box. I don't > think this was intended. Also, another minor point is that when you click on a button and NetSurf /doesn't/ have the caret, odd things happen to other applications. I suspect this is because the button bar is simply passing certain keypresses onto the wimp (for any other application to act on). It might be better to detect whether or not NetSurf has the caret or not (not sure how difficult this is though, but should be possible by reading NetSurf's task handle and then reading the active window and comparing window handles.
Re: netsurf buttonbar
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > I can't reproduce that here. When a NetSurf window loses input focus, its > buttonbar closes. That's odd. I can't reproduce it myself today! Yesterday, the buttonbar wasn't disappearing when NetSurf lost the input focus
Re: netsurf buttonbar
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Thank you for the reminder - I had forgotten about that. > Which, as you say, has the same function. I don't think it harms it by duplicating some of the functions. That way you can optionally turn off the various icons on the main NetSurf bar, in order to get a longer URL bar, which might be useful to some people.
Re: NetSurf printing
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Ashbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: [Snippety snip] > There is a Boot file but am reluctant to run this as I unaware of its > effect on my system - nice and reliable at the moment. > None of this is meaningful. How do I preceed from here please You need to download the previous copy of the binaries, which included a copy of !Printers. The most recent binary only contains update files and not the full application. Having said that, I've encountered weird redraw problems with !Printers 1.73 so I've gone back to the previous version to avoid crashing the machine. :-(
Bad redirect URL
I've just upgraded to the latest NetSurf (29th Jan) and I've noticed that my forum at http://forum.vigay.com no longer works. It always used to. Indeed, I chose 'CuteCast' specifically because it was RISC OS and NetSurf friendly. All that happens now is that it comes up with "Bad redirect URL" after a few seconds of not doing anything. Paul
History thumbnails
Are there currently any plans to fix the long-standing bug whereby the small thumbnail images in the visual history window don't work on the Iyonix? The odd thing is that sometimes they work and sometimes all you get is a blank window. I thought that if you started off browsing from a local file and followed links then there'd be no images, but it seems quite random whether you get them or not. Using Iyonix ROS 5.13 and latest NetSurf (ie. todays) Paul
Re: History thumbnails
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: [Snippety snip] > corrupt. Now, it's possible to ignore broken bitmaps and carry on > plotting but that's a bit pointless if the root cause of the issue is > unknown. This is not a RO5 or Iyonix specific issue. Oh, that's interesting, because I've never seen the problem occur on the Risc PC (RISC OS 6). Indeed, I've been experimenting just now, and the RPC seems to display the history thumbnails correctly for each page, or new page etc., including all my local pages which don't display on the Iyonix. > Please add any more evidence you have to this bug report: > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1611551&group_id=51719&atid=464312 Will do - but not managed to locate anything meaningful or objective yet. :-(
Re: Bad redirect URL
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John McCartney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > It seems all right here, Paul, and I downloaded the new version this > morning. This is using RISC OS 4.39 on VRPC-Adjust (StrongARM model). > No, the page came up straight away. Thanks for confirming that it works ok in NetSurf. Saying that, made me think it was my machine somewhere. I've just zapped the cookies and all is now working ok here too - so I guess one of the cookies must have got corrupt somehow. I'll bear that in mind in future if odd things start happening. Thanks.
Re: Bad redirect URL
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: [Snippety snip] > properly and provide the relevant information when asked. If you can't do > that then I'd rather you didn't bother me with bug reports. I wasn't bothering /you/ with bug reports. I was posting a generic question on the mailing list to see if anyone else was experiencing the same problem. Sheesh, some people in the RISC OS world get so tetchy about things! People need to chill out more. Speaking as a developer myself, it can often be very difficult to diagnose what's an actual bug and what's just a misconfiguration or local problem with a particular machine, hence a quick plea to see if anyone else was getting the same effects. IF other people had reported the same thing, then I'd have investigated further and hopefully obtained more meaningful diagnosis and log files, which would have been duly submitted to the bug tracker. No point clogging it up with pseudo or false-alarm 'bugs' until some of the more serious bugs already catalogued in it have been fixed. Paul
Re: Bad redirect URL
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > I have an outstanding bug report on the same problem which was reported Of course, this is another issue that can possibly lead to confusion. If I spot something which doesn't behave as I believe it should, it's difficult to know if it's already been reported as a bug in the past, without searching through the entire bug tracker looking for anything which could be the same issue. But, without searching through the entire bug tracker, aren't you likely to run into the same bugs being reported multiple times but with different descriptions?
Re: Font tags
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Howlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: [Snippety snip] > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=51719&atid=464312 > in a NetSurf (30 Jan 2008 20:00 r3809) window at the moment - moving the > pointer over any part of the window changes the pointer to a hand, and > clicking *anywhere* on the page takes me to > http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php > It's like the whole page is a link... Odd. That page all seems to work ok here. NetSurf same date, 01:45
Re: Font tags
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Howlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: [Snippety snip] > It's like the whole page is a link... Further to my previous posting, I've just upgraded to the 20:00 version of NetSurf and I now get the same effect as you, so I presume something has changed between todays two versions?
Re: Online banking with NetSurf
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Please try the latest test build and report back. (I don't have a > Barklays account.) According to he recent SVN activity on the bug tracker r3817 says to "Treat font tag relative sizes of +/- >1 the same as one." This is incorrect. Correct (albeit now deprecated) operation should allow for font relative sizes of +/- up to 4 (for valid font sizes 1 - 7) See HTML4 standards at http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/graphics.html This has actually been quite a long-standing bug in NetSurf.
Re: Font tag support
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Of course, but it improves on what we had before. Font tag sizes don't > sit well with NetSurf's CSS based innards, so it is not straightforward. Of course, I have no idea how NetSurf's internals work, but assuming the parser can read the font size value, isn't it a simple(!!) case of temporarily knocking the font size up or down a size until the closing tag. If or can make a small portion of text bold or italic (which currently works ok), couldn't you just go up or down a point size (as presumably it knows what point size it's currently plotting text in) and assuming the existing size is 9pt then make font +1 temporarily use 10pt and font-1 use 8pt ? I wouldn't have thought it would be a great deal different to changing to a bold or italic font style, but then I know nothing :-)
Re: SVG rendering - impressive start!
Talking of SVG, it appears to be 'squashing' SVG images vertically, so that circles come out as ellipses. Is this a bug for reporting? or is SVG treated as an unsupported extra bonus? To see an example of what I mean, visit my crop circle site at http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/info.cgi?d=uk2007aa&c=s&k=Oliver's%20Castle,%20nr%20Devizes,%20Wiltshire,%20UK&y=15th%20Apr,%202007 (clicking on the link at the bottom of the page will give the original Draw file) and the image (which does view ok in NetSurf) should be circular. There's a small thumbnail at http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/?d=x&y=2007&c=uk&m=Apr which shows what it 'should' look like.
Re: SVG rendering - impressive start!
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > As Rob said, if you think NetSurf gets something wrong, report it. Righto. Done. I was (perhaps erroneously) assuming that the SVG support was an unsupported experimental 'bonus' which wasn't fully working yet anyway. > The drawfile URL appears to be broken: > http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/cc-draw/uk2007aa.drw Odd. Not sure how that happened - but I've now uploaded it so it's now there. Incidentally, if you now go back to the link I gave originally (to the SVG version) and then click the 'draw' format at the bottom of the page, NetSurf now crashes completely. I'll reboot my machine and make sure I've got the latest NetSurf and then I'll report as a bug if it still does it.
Re: SVG rendering - impressive start!
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > NetSurf will display it as a drawfile if you send it with an accurate > Content-Type. Various Content-Types will cause NetSurf to treat the file > as a drawfile: Cool. I didn't know NetSurf could render drawfiles natively! :-) The drawfiles were left on my CC website as a legacy thing for Fresco users. I've now reconfigured the server to allow this, so it now views properly instead of test. Thanks for the tip. Paul
Cookies
Is there a way of completely disabling ALL cookies in NetSurf? I can't see a 'choices' option, and I'd have thought an option to turn them on and off might be handy, even in lieu of more comprehensive 'per site' cookie handling. Basically, I want to ignore all cookies permanently. Paul
Re: Running out of memory
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > > Up date : I find that even after shutdown and reboot the site I was > > trying to access brings up the message any time I try to access it > > viz: www.isogg.org > With 90MB free memory, I see the 'Running out of memory ...' warning > immediately NetSurf connects to that URL, ie when no significant fetch > has taken place. (NetSurf 17 Feb 2008 r3859). The problem with www.isogg.com is an empty frame set at the bottom of the page. If you view the source code (wget or something), then at the bottom of the file, remove the and it works fine in NetSurf. So, report the broken HTML to the web site owner and report the empty frameset bug in NetSurf on the bug tracker.
Re: Before I complain ...
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > The site is http://www.kenmoremedicalcentre.co.uk/default.asp > It looks as if http://www.opg.co.uk/contact.asp would be the place to > complain but can someone tell me what specifically is the problem before > I do so? Or is it just a Netsurf problem since it also scales properly on > O2? It contains contradictory HTML, so I assume NetSurf's priority is different to other browsers - so not necessarily wrong. At the beginning is a table width="100%" tag (which I presume O2 and Windows) are obeying, to fix the table as wide as your screen window. However, later down in the code (line 160) there's a td width=2000 for the inner column, which is forcing it to be very wide. I assume NetSurf is interpreting this correctly and allowing it to overrule the outer table width="100%" of the page, hence the horizontal scroll bar. I would say that NetSurf is acting correctly, but correct action in the case of contradictory HTML is possibly subjective anyway. Paul
Re: Before I complain ...
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > However there is a general problem with NetSurf's handling of tables > containing unclosed elements. Just try to view the SWI list on the OS3 > PRM CD. It will stagger table cells to the right instead of placing them > in a column as intended. Also mixing up percentage widths and absolute > widths is a nightmare to sort out unless you're very careful. I'm not sure if there's an official (W3C?) recommendation, but I'd have said that absolute widths should precedence over relative widths. My logic for this is that if you want something say roughly a 1/3rd of the page you could use a table/column width of say "30%", which is more of a 'I want it to look narrower than the rest', whereas if you specifically want a navigation bar or something to be a precise size you'd use something like or something. Thus, exact sizes are generally chosen because that's exactly what you want, whereas percentage/relative sizes are chosen because you're not /that/ fussed but you want it roughly that size relative to the browser window or rest of the page etc.
Re: NetSurf printing
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Has there been a new 1.73, perhaps? Or am I missing some necessary > modules? If so, what should I have, and where do I get them? I've got all the latest versions installed here and I still can't get printing to postscript printers from NetSurf.
Re: NetSurf printing
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Ashbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Brilliant it now works - well, on some sites anyway. Is this the ink jet driver, or postscript? I presume PostScript is still broken, as I can't seem to get it to work here.
Re: Improbable colour scheme
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Harriet Bazley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly:
> Why does this page - http://www.shebloggedbynight.com - and other blogs
> I've encountered - appear to sport a dark-grey and black colour scheme?
Looking at that page, it's a problem with the HTML. Neither the tag
or the CSS (div 'container') specify a font colour, so NetSurf is
defaulting to black text.
> And is there any way of forcing NetSurf to ignore CSS colour schemes when
> they result in unreadable displays such as these?
You can temporarily change it by editing the !NetSurf.Resources.CSS file
and adding color: #ff; to the end of the body { ... } style default
definition. This will change the colour of the text to white on the above
page.
Intermittent thumbnail images in history window....
Following a bit of discussion about this on the Archive mailing list, I've done some more experiments here, and I'm wondering whether or not the intermittent appearance of thumbnails is due (possibly in part) to the fully (or not) qualified domain name in the URL. As it very rarely works here on my Iyonix, I thought it was something to do with not thumbnailing local sites (ie. pages on my hard drive or local intranet). My default homepage is "http://intranet"; which resolves to "http://avalon.vigay.com/"; (on my machine both names are entries in the Hosts file pointing to a local server, so no external access is required). I've never had thumbnails appear in the history list, even when clicking on links on my intranet page. However, if I went directly to an external URL (such as news.bbc.co.uk) then I'd get the thumbnails ok. Anyway, on a whim I decided to change the homepage to http://avalon.vigay.com (remembering that it still resolves to exactly the same place/route) and lo-and-behold, NetSurf starts thumnailing, even the intranet page. Change back to http://intranet and it doesn't thumbnail the history. This is 100% repeatable on this machine here, and the only difference I can spot is the URL - the destination is exactly the same machine and page. Not sure if this gives a clue as to the intermittent history thumbnails but thought I'd report it here, as it's about the only consistent way of causing the problem I can find. Paul
Re: Intermittent thumbnail images in history window....
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Please add your findings to the relevant bug report on the tracker. I've just tried (typing blind) to report this on the bug tracker - but NetSurf (1st March build) is displaying text as invisible on all form entry boxes in the bug tracker. In the end I cut and pasted my email to this list, as I couldn't see what I was typing. I guess this in itself is another bug to report, if I can.
NetSurf not displaying properly
Following on from someone the other day who said that NetSurf is not displaying pages correctly, I've found another one. http://www.drobe.co.uk/features/artifact1034.html and all the comment disappear from 'md0u80c9's comment downwards. Oddly, saving the source code to hard disc and then double-clicking on it, views perfectly ok I'd better file a bug report. :-) (NetSurf 22 Mar 2008 14:00 build)
Re: NetSurf not displaying properly
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John-Mark Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > This is the same issue. It's a bug in the HTML parser that NetSurf uses. > It's not particularly high on the list of things to fix (not least as > we're replacing the HTML parser, anyway). Aha. Thanks for clarifying that. The other thing I suspected it could be was the style sheet or something, as obviously viewing online would implement a style sheet, whereas saving as HTML and viewing offline would prevent any stylesheet from loading too.
Re: bethere.co.uk
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > On Monday 14 April 2008 16:32:24 David Mills wrote: > > My son has suggested that I transfer from Demon to Be > > I logged on to > > www.bethere.co.uk > > > > using Iyonix Riscos 5.11 and Netsurf 1.2 (28th March) > > a scrolllable part of the window seems not to bee displayed properly. > > Any reasons? > That wouldn't be the Flash part in the middle of the page would it? Switch to Orpheus (we're offering free migration at the moment) and our entire website is 100% compatible with NetSurf - mainly because it was created with the aid of NetSurf. :-)
Re: NetSurf at Wakefield 2008
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > The developers present will be at least: > John-Mark Bell > Michael Drake > Rob Kendrick > Daniel Silverstone > ( http://www.netsurf-browser.org/about/team ) I think that web page should have mug shots added to it, so we can recognise them all. :-) I must confess that I didn't recognise everyone on the NetSurf stand at Wakefield, and didn't really want to embarrass myself totally by have to go and ask who was who!
Re: Sourceforge down?
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > I can't get any response from sourceforge.net this morning. Nor can I. Just been trying to download the latest SquirrelMail, although I did successfully download NetSurf about half an hour ago.
Auto-completion
Are there any plans to add auto-completion to forms in NetSurf, along the lines of the URL bar auto-completion? Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends?
Re: Auto-completion
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > If it is information that you regularly use then my Form Filler app could > be what you want. I did think of that. Thanks. However, it's not quite what I'm looking for. I've got a few forms which have about 50 or 60 different regular values for a single field. With Safari, I start typing and it will guess which one I want from previous entries, which saves retyping long entries and also saves having to remember all the possible values. Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Do not become that which you seek to destroy.
Another suggestion for NetSurf
I know what would be good When you click 'back' on NetSurf, it could keep any data entered into forms. There are numerous times when I complete a lengthy form and click submit, only to find that I've mistyped the captcha or some other error has occurred, and the site solution is to click back and complete the missing fields - which mean you have to re-type the whole form again, which is a pain if you've entered a lengthy comment. The only (occasional) way around this is to adjust click on the submit button to submit into a new window, but sometimes this doesn't work. Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Life is life!
Iyonix history bitmaps
Ooh! I just downloaded the latest NetSurf (June 15) and was pleased to see that the little graphical history window appears to work properly. It did work intermittently before-hand but some pages didn't have a thumbnail, but now, after a quick bit of testing it does seem to give me a thumbnail for each page - including my intranet page, which never worked previously. :-) Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Change is inevitableexcept from vending machines.
Re: Poor display
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > This right hand side of this site shows text overlying links. I'm sure > that's not what was intended. This is a fairly common fault, though not > a hanging offence. > http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/crops/index.htm Whereabouts? The "Looking for" sidebar on the right views fine here, with no overlap - using NetSurf r4491 Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ If the answer is Microsoft, the question must have been quite stupid.
Silly question time...
... but what does "Actualized and clarified the current state of RISC OS 5 printing." mean?? Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ If life deals you lemons, make lemonade; if it deals you tomatoes, make Bloody Marys.
Object scroll bars
Are there any plans (or timescale) to add support for scroll bars on embedded objects? I'm currently developing a website for a client, and I'm using the tag instead of frames. Whilst it 'almost' works on NetSurf, there is no scrollbar so you can't read the bottom. Example at http://test.digitalphenomena.co.uk/abar/menu2.html Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how popular it remains?
Re: Object scroll bars
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Why not use a frame instead? For embedding HTML content, they're > conceptually identical in so far as their annoyances and flaws. I didn't really want to use frames due to having to recode the rest of the page, especially as I've made extensive use of SSIs which would mean I'd have to do that page differently to all the others. > I lost interest when attempting to wget this results in a 403. That's because it's not a live site yet and is currently running from my test server, which blocks attempts to grab development code off it. :-) Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 44. Pull your gum out of your mouth in long strings.
Re: Object scroll bars
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > How is this different from using ? A single tag as opposed to an entire frameset which has to be in the section of the website. > You won't get any precise input from me, then :) Although I could just > tell wget via command line parameters to use a different user agent (as > anybody else would who wanted to grab your development code), it's not > worth the 5 seconds of my time it would take! :-) Well, it's not /that/ important. If it was, I'd just bung an .htaccess on it. It's only to stop casual grabbers and automated bots/spiders etc. Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Butterflies taste with their feet.
Re: Object scroll bars
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Not "frames", use an IFRAME instead of OBJECT. Righto. I've changed it to an iframe, which does indeed correctly give a scroll bar in NetSurf, but the background is fixed at white, instead of being transparent - although that's obviously not so important. Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow.
Re: New HTML parser integrated into NetSurf
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Barry E Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > It doesn't seem to take any notice of the background color in a Table. > see:- Something has broken WGT to table colouring, as the latest build breaks the listing at http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/?d=x&y=2008&c=uk&m=Aug The only dark green background should be the column headings at the top. All the data rows should alternate between light green and white graph paper. The rows that should be white (same colour as the page background) are coming out in dark green (same colour as the top row titles). Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
Can't mark text
For some reason, you can't drag the pointer to mark text on the page at http://www.prisonplanet.com/largest-naval-deployment-since-1991-heads-for-persian-gulf.html Using build r5066 Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 7. Shave.
Re: Website that crashes NS.
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jess Hampshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > http://www.jessops.com/Downloads/Cameras > Does this crash for everyone? Yep. Crashes here on an Iyonix running build r5066 Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 4. Whistle the first seven notes of "It's a Small World" incessantly.
Re: Crash on directline.com
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Using both the 12th August version & also the latest 15th August (r5120) > I get an immediate crash from a fresh start on www.directline.com I can confirm I get the same - using r5122 build. Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ If you want to be original, be yourself - no two people are alike.
Broken tables
Does anyone know when the broken table code (ie. background colouring just repeating the first occurrence) is likely to get fixed. It's been broken for about a month now! Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ It's what we learn after we think we know it all that counts.
Re: Broken tables
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > > Does anyone know when the broken table code (ie. background colouring > > just repeating the first occurrence) is likely to get fixed. > Could you produce a test case? There are several, but you could view http://ccdb.cropcircleresearch.com/?d=x&y=2008&c=uk&m=Aug The table should be alternating rows of light green and white 'graph paper'. The darker green is only used for the title row. As far as I can work out, if NetSurf receives a background colour for a row (the first/top row in the table above is the 'dark green', colour #85cd8d) it inherits that colour for all subsequent rows (TRs). The light green graph paper appears correctly because it's specified by which specifies the background wallpaper. However, the rows where the dark green appears should be the background colour of the page because they're specified by just (and hence picking up the previous tr colour I presume). The table itself doesn't have a background colour, so any rows which just contain should show through the page background colour, which is the white graphpaper. View on a different web browser to see what it /should/ look like. Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Humour is such a subjective thing, wouldn't you say?
Re: Broken tables
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Test case: > > yellow background > no background > I think it always inherits the /first/ colour defined, thus, to add to your test case; yellow background no background red background no background the bottom row appears as yellow (first one specified) and not red (last one specified). Paul Vigay Editor, www.RISCOS.org -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ There are 2 theories to arguing with a woman...neither works.
Image positioning
Is this a problem with NetSurf's CSS or something extra like Javascript or something - although I've not looked at the source code in detail, I suspect it's possibly NetSurf's handling of floating images. All the articles on the Scientific American website have the main image shifted over to the right, so that you can't read the text. Example at http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=sandia-anthrax-mailing-investigation -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 21. Bet the other passengers you can fit a quarter in your nose.
Re: Image positioning
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > > Example at > > http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=sandia-anthrax-mailing-investigation > Fixed in r5395. Excellent. It is indeed. :-) Many thanks. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ How many of you believe in telekinesis? Raise my hand...
CNN news stories
I've just noticed that NetSurf has stopped displaying the main news stories on CNN. It used to work, but I'm not sure when it stopped working, as I've only just tried it (using build r5404). An example story is at http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/23/ahmadinejad.us/index.html?iref=topnews You can see the header, footer, main title heading and highlights. In fact you can pretty much see everything, except the main text of the story. If you 'view source' you can see the text is all there, and it doesn't appear to be within Javascript or comment tags. There are loads of SSI tags, so I'm wondering if perhaps the new Parser in NetSurf is getting confused over the number of comments or script sections - the code looks a bit of a mess to me. However, the main story text does appear to be all there, so I wonder if NetSurf could be likely to find it. :-) -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ I drive way too fast to worry about cholesterol.
Re: A new eBay problem :(
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Daniel Silverstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > I can use eBay (although admittedly not as far as actually bidding on > something since I was just testing) with NetSurf. Including logging in > and navigating my account. Same here. Just accessed 'My eBay' and all appears to work ok. I bid on something last week and it worked ok with NetSurf, so unless something has changed since then, I think it works ok. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 7. Shave.
Parsing the document failed....
When you go to http://www.rfidglobal.org/ NetSurf (build r5462) downloads the page but then immediately comes up with a "Parsing the document failed" error and all you get is a blank page. I grabbed it using wget and although the HTML looks reasonable, NetSurf is still unable to view the local copy either. I'll submit a bug report, but wonder if this is a problem with the new parser, as NetSurf 1.2 views the site ok. Paul -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ If all the world is a stage, where is the audience sitting?
Re: Parsing the document failed....
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > The page says in an HTML header (rather than an HTTP one) that its > encoding is "gb-2312", which is I believe meant to be "gb2312", and is a > simplified chinese character encoding. That may be the first hurdle. Aha. Thanks for that. Removing the line from the source code appears to fix it, or rather it allows the locally stored copy to load into NetSurf ok. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Nothing is fool-proof to a talented fool.
Re: Parsing the document failed....
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > The other problem I noticed was that when you get this error you can't > shift-drag or ctrl-drag the URL into another browser or an editor. Why > not? I've noticed that. In fact there are a number of conditions which prevent the URL being dragged. Why is this? Shouldn't you be allowed to drag *any* URL which is in the bar? -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ It is easier for a father to have children than for children to have a real father.
Re: Apple's NetSurf like patentfiling
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Daniel Silverstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > While it may be possible to challenge part of this filing based on prior > art in NetSurf, I've just filed an official complaint with the US Patent Office. It will be interesting to see what kind of reply I get - if I receive one. Paul -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 23. Show other passengers a wound and ask if it looks infected.
Overlapping text problem again
I'm this this one had been sorted in the past, but I've just looked at the Daily Mail (I'm not a reader, someone emailed me the link, honest gov) website and all the text is overlapping one of the side-bars, which makes it very difficult to read. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-486930/The-sinister-truth-childrens-fingerprints.html I'm using NetSurf build r5480 (3rd Oct) Paul -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ The art of living is to want less and experience more.
Re: Overlapping text problem again
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > > it very difficult to read. > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-486930/The-sinister-truth-childrens-fingerprints.html > > I'm using NetSurf build r5480 (3rd Oct) > OK here with r5524 (9 Oct). That's weird, as I've just downloaded the latest build (r5530) and it's still doing it. It appears to be a fixed width page so it doesn't make any difference if I make the NetSurf window much wider - it still overlaps all the text, making it unreadable. :-( -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ You can't have everything, where would you put it?
Re: Overlapping text problem again
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > Screenshot sent off-list, to see if what I see is in fact different. Screenshot sent in return. And yes, what you're seeing is totally different. I'm envious! :-) -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Love is for sharing.
Re: Overlapping text problem again
In a dim and distant universe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Howlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enlightened us thusly: > On 10 Oct, Richard Ashbery wrote: Largely works OK here with today's > version - just a couple of issues... > A bit congested above Advanced Search (top right of page) - > http://www.brianhowlett.me.uk/images/mail1.png > Some text that looks like it should be in the RH column appears in the > main text, near the bottom - > http://www.brianhowlett.me.uk/images/mail2.png How strange. I'm using today's build (r5531) and I'm getting something completely different - on an Iyonix with RISC OS 5.13 I've put an example image up at http://www.vigay.com/window.jpg to show the effect. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ "Men for the sake of getting a living forget to live." - Margaret Fuller
Re: Apple's NetSurf like patentfiling
Well, I've just had a reply from the US patents office Protests by a member of the public against pending applications will be referred to the examiner having charge of the subject matter involved. A protest specifically identifying the application to which the protest is directed will be entered in the application file if: (1) The protest is submitted prior to the mailing of a notice of allowance under rule 1.311; and (2) The protest is either served upon the applicant in accordance with rule 1.248, or filed with the Office in duplicate in the event service is not possible. For more detailed information on protesting a patent, you may visit our Web site at http://www.uspto.gov/main/patents.htm for the Manual of Patent Examining Procedures (MPEP). If you have any further questions or if you require additional information, please call the USPTO Contact Center at 1-800-786-9199 or (571) 272-1000 and reference the following Service Request number: 1-132889024 -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem.
Re: Vanishing BBC
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since I upgraded to r5588, www.bbc.co.uk times out without loading > anything. It works with Windows Firefox. Has anyone else found this? If > so, I'll file a bug report. As per the replies to your comment, it appears to be working again now. However, I'm wondering if the timeout period within NetSurf can be extended/customised by the user at all. As people know, I've been developing some printer driver software for the big Xerox printers, and as part of that, I've got some code which will launch a window to NetSurf, so that you can upload "walk up" jobs to the printer without having to rely on the Javascript/Active-X code in the printer web front-end. When you start sending a (very) large file to the printer, it can take 5-6 minutes transferring data, but recently NetSurf has been timing out, thinking the remote site is not responding. Unfortunately, the printer doesn't send a response until the whole file has been uploading (often >200MB or so), which is confusing things and often an error such as "Broken >pipe" is given. I've got a temporary way around this by browsing to the printer's web front-end whilst the print job is transferring and randomly clicking on links or refreshing, which seems to fool NetSurf into thinking the remote site is still responding, so the other window doing the file upload doesn't time out. It would be good if there was an option to extend/disable or otherwise customise the period after which NetSurf decides to timeout. Paul -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 29. Leave a box between the doors.
Re: Vanishing BBC
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rob Kendrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you not just do the HTTP request to post the file yourself, rather > than hacking in a call to a web browser? That is on my 'todo' list for my XeroxUtil, but for the time being, simply sending via NetSurf was a quick way to get stuff working without extra development time. :-) -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ You can't have everything, where would you put it?
Another case of NetSurf wrapping text over itself
I've just found another case where NetSurf is unable to wrap the text correctly, resulting in text being written over the top of itself, making reading difficult. Example at http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-10030134-46.html -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Always try to be modest and be proud of it!
Re: Another case of NetSurf wrapping text over itself
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ian Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It works if you don't have 'Hide advertisements' ticked. So it does! :-) Perhaps that's a cunning advertising plan? ;-) -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Experience is a wonderful thing. It enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it.
Re: Overlapping text and pictures
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David H Wild <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It shows correctly here with the same version of Netsurf. I think it has something to do with the font sizes - but I've just set NetSurf back to the 'default' font settings (which incidentally I find far too big for normal use) but it still overlaps all the text. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 21 of Life's Unanswered Questions... 7. Why is a boxing ring square?
Re: Failure to save a multimap as pdf or gif
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A friend has sent me this link to a Yellow Pages -> Multimap. > http://www.yell.com/myyell/us.do?key=00C4J0 [Snip] > But it doesn't work! I get the text, but not the map. It may be that > Multimap is trying to stop its map being copied. Click MENU over the map itself and then export the page as a Draw file. It will then save the map. I suspect the page is a frameset, which means the save icon at the top will only export the parent frame, which is blank. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ It is easier for a father to have children than for children to have a real father.
Re: Degraded multi-tasking?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dave higton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it will happen to order, which is the first and biggest > obstacle. I think it's while fetching, but I can't be sure. Is there > something that I can observe in NetSurf's frame that will tell me? Or > can I turn up the log level and get a timed log of function calls? I've not noticed any degradation in the multi-tasking on my Iyonix here, and NetSurf is pretty much constantly loaded. You could try running Martin Avison's !TaskUsage and seeing what that displays. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 51 things to do in a lift 38. Say "I wonder what all these do" and push the red buttons.
Something still wrong with default font size
Browsing different sites, with http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1085372/Angelina-Jolie-Im-definitely-quitting-acting-time-mum.html as an example, if you make the "default font size" in NetSurf's choices anything less than 11.9pt (everything else left as the default settings in Fonts choices) then you get the text all overlapping itself. This is a bit of a pain because 11.9pt is far too big for normal viewing of sites. I presume something in the redraw or CSS handling/parser is getting confused somewhere because if you set to 11.9 or bigger the page appears to view correctly, so the HTML can't be /that/ dodgy (although I've not looked). Paul -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ No word in the English language rhymes with month.
Possibly off-topic for this list but....
I've just installed OpenSSL on my test server so that I can create a WebMail system which runs via https instead of normal http. This is at http://webmail.vigay.com/ Now NetSurf is asking about the validity of the security certificate on the server. I suspect this is because it's a self-signed certificate, so I was wondering if anyone knows enough about OpenSSL to know if this is something I can configure on the server, or just something I have to put up with because it's self-signed (the latter of which appears to be the case, judging from my brief Google search). OpenSSL is one area where I get rather confused. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Where theres a will I want to be in it.
More overlapping text
Using NetSurf (latest build), and having reset the font settings to their default values (which occasionally fixed this problem in the past), all the text and headings at http://www.badidea.co.uk/index.php are overlapping, making it impossible to read. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier'n puttin' it back.
Re: More overlapping text
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dr Peter Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yet again, it's all fine here, same build. There must be something > different about Paul's settings. That's odd. Last time you said it worked ok for you, it turned out that I'd made the font sizes a lot smaller from the default, so I specifically reset NetSurf to the default values before testing this time. Odd. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
Saving background images
Is there a way to save/export the background image from a web page? Irrespective of where you click, NetSurf's 'Object' menu item is greyed out. Fresco used to export the background image by clicking MENU somewhere over the background in the top-left corner of the page. I'm trying to save the background image from a website, but looking at the source, it's quite fiddly to find, involving manually searching through loads of CSS files. Is there an easier way that I'm missing? Paul -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ 101 uses for a Bill Gates: 9: A megalomaniac egotist
Redraw problem
In view of all the recent Mary Whitehouse style furore, I tried to look at the following URL, which initially appears ok in NetSurf, but then a few seconds later is obscured by (I presume) some sort of CSS background image completely obscuring the foreground, rendering the page unviewable. http://www.the-scorpions.com/english/discography/records/ NetSurf latest build on RISC OS 5.13 -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ You are slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut butter.
Re: Redraw problem
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Open the Images section and set "Disable animations". Aha. Thanks for that. :-) -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ The truth evades the person with the closed mind.
Re: The Register
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just started getting errors on the home page of > http://www.theregister.co.uk/ . The errors are "invalid block type" and > "invalid code lengths set". Oregano 1 can read the page. Why is NetSurf > turning its nose up at it? Memory corruption? Is it worth rebooting the machine and trying again? I've just viewed the site ok with build r5897 -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ An idle mind is the Devil's workshop.
Somewhat extreme text overwriting
I know many people have reported sites on which NetSurf repeatedly overwrites text, making it rather difficult to read properly, but the following site does this to a rather extreme example - overwriting the text about 20 times, making it impossible to read. http://www.colinandrews.net/Government02.html -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Turn your Pentium into a Gameboy: Type WIN at C: prompt
Running out of memory
When I click on the following link I get an error about NetSurf running out of memory and to free some and try again, so it doesn't display anything. Tried from a fresh boot with 512MB memory in machine. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129227 Latest build. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ A willing helper does not wait to be called.
Re: Running out of memory
In article , Frits Polak wrote: > I can confirm that this problem is solved in the lates build (6035). Indeed. It works fine for me too. :-) > Thanks for an even better Netsurf, I'll second that! -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Why does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut saves you thirty cents???
Re: Text overlap
In article <501ceafb6eba...@e-allen.me.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > I have similar problems with my TalkTalk bill which all comes out on one > line. > see:- > http://www.bparkfc.plus.com/allen/talktalkbill.html That looks like it's suffering from the same problem as a friend of mine's website at www.colinandrews.net which is completely unreadable with NetSurf - and I have complained to him about it. Unfortunately he knows nothing about HTML so I think he uses some kind of site creator to do it in - which means that I expect lots of other people will be creating sites which give the same problem when viewed with NetSurf. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ There are two words in the English language that have all five vowels in order: "abstemious" and"facetious."
Re: Text overlap
In article <501cf02066li...@torrens.org.uk>, Torrens (lists) wrote: > I looked around a bit. Plus.net's pages validate with very few errors. I > am in process of swapping to them - I have yet to find anything on > Plus.net that doesn't work properly with Netsurf! Support is via the www > site - but it works, and does get actioned. Check their WebMail offering too though, as that's one area which can cause problems. Orpheus' website is 100% RISC OS compatible (I write and test it using NetSurf) and our WebMail system is 100% NetSurf compatible too. :-) Indeed, as NetSurf is my no.1 browser now, *ALL* my websites are fully compliant with it, including ones I do for clients. > RISC OS users would save themselves trouble by using ISPs that took > notice of standards! Erm, Orpheus! :-) -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ "Without deviation progress is not possible" - Frank Zappa
Re: Text overlap
In article <20090113095326.589eb...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > If people can deconstruct the HTML and make a minimal test case, that'll > help us towards that. Well, from a quick look at my friends page, removing the following couple of lines makes the top half of the page render correctly (starting at line 26 in the source code to the link I posted earlier). -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ "Stewardesses" is the longest word typed with only the left hand. With your right, "lollipop."
Re: Text overlap
In article <501cf6213eli...@torrens.org.uk>, Torrens (lists) wrote: > www.torrens.org.uk/NetSurf/0001.html > one minimal page that shows the problem. As it seems to be settings > dependant, the same directory holds a copy of my > !Boot.Choices.Users.Single.WWW.NetSurf.Choices and a screen shot of the > Netsurf window as it renders. Well, just to confuse the issue (especially in view of Peter's comment!) that page works fine from here, using an Iyonix ROS 5.13 and the latest version of NetSurf (build r6035) -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
Re: Text overlap
In article <501cf68db3...@timil.com>, Tim Hill wrote: > Should (does) NS assume pixels, points or parsecs when no units are > present? Looking at various rogue sites (or rather sites which NetSurf won't render) it looks like the browser should assume that any values without a unit are pixels (px) - but I reserve the right to be wrong. I don't have my reference books on CSS to hand at the moment. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Divine love always has met, and always will meet, every human need.
NetSurf not handling redirect...?
I'm not sure if anyone here has tried Untangle (www.untangle.com) but I've just built an untangle server for a client and am testing the web proxying/filtering on it. When a website is blocked, you should get a nice big warning message saying the web page was blocked because it was considered inappropriate etc., with a no entry sign graphic and a reason code/which filter triggered it. This works as I've just tried visiting a blocked site using Oregano. However, NetSurf doesn't give the untangle server error page, instead just giving a RISC OS error message saying "Bad redirect URL". Any ideas? This is the latest (r6145) build. Paul -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Going to a mosque doesn't make you a Muslim any more than going to a garage makes you a mechanic.
Re: NetSurf not handling redirect...?
In article <14a4952050.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter wrote: > The "Bad redirect URL" problem has been around for a long time. I have > probably raised a bug report for it but I can't remember when. If it's any help, I get the following when I try fetching a blocked site via wget *wget -S --spider http://www.domai.com --11:46:42-- http://www.domai.com/ => `index.html' Resolving www.domai.com... 64.38.197.113 Connecting to www.domai.com[64.38.197.113]:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 1 HTTP/1.1 307 Temporary Redirect 2 Location: http://192.168.1.1/webfilter/blockpage?nonce=e2c01ae50a9a2c79&tid=10 3 Content-Type: text/plain 4 Content-Length: 0 5 Connection: Keep-Alive Location: http://192.168.1.1/webfilter/blockpage?nonce=e2c01ae50a9a2c79&tid=10 [following] --11:46:43-- http://192.168.1.1/webfilter/blockpage?nonce=e2c01ae50a9a2c79&tid=10 => `blockpage?nonce=e2c01ae50a9a2c79&tid=10' Connecting to 192.168.1.1:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 1 HTTP/1.1 200 OK 2 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:46:44 GMT 3 Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_jk/1.2.15 mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7e 4 Set-Cookie: JSESSIONID=46EB32A9D7568A1F0222E94068AA0482; Path=/webfilter 5 Content-Length: 1434 6 Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100 7 Connection: Keep-Alive 8 Content-Type: text/html;charset=UTF-8 200 OK If I double-click on the http://192.168.1.1/webfilter/blockpage?nonce=e2c01ae50a9a2c79&tid=10 I do get the web filter warning page, so the resulting HTML is ok (ie. no Javascript which NetSurf doesn't like). It looks like NetSurf doesn't like the 307 temporary redirect. Paul -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
Re: NetSurf not handling redirect...?
In article <20090120114742.2da36...@trite.i.flarn.net.i.flarn.net>, Rob Kendrick wrote: > This doesn't help, either. Details, however, will. I've found an external site which gives exactly the same problem. It's Mark Rowan's site at http://www.tamias.co.uk so you can possibly try it yourself and see the error. -- Using, programming and promoting RISC OS - the most productive computer system in the world. Check it out now, and change your view of computers!! To reply/email, visit http://www.riscos.org/feedback/ If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
