Re: AS 714/6185 IX Peering

[Ren Provo]

Third time should be the charm?
(Thanks Job!)

Cheers! -Ren
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On May 27, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Ren Provo  wrote:
> 
> Several folks have written to ensure I spotted this during RIPE.  Indeed, the 
> reminder to engage contacts posted at http://as714.peeringdb.com - namely 
> peering-...@apple.com - was sent.  Y'all didn't see it because it was sent 
> from an email that is not registered on this list.  Spotted the rejection 
> later.  Hence take two today and a confirmation Graham's concern has been 
> noted within Apple.
> 
> Cheers! -Ren
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
>> On May 26, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Graham Johnston  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there anyone from AS 714/6185 that can reach out to me, AS 19016, to try 
>> and get traffic from your network to come to me via your Equinix IX 
>> connection instead of a transit connections.
>> 
>> Graham Johnston
>> Network Planner
>> Westman Communications Group
>> 204.717.2829
>> johnst...@westmancom.com<mailto:johnst...@westmancom.com>
>> P think green; don't print this email.
>> 

Re: Calling LinkedIn, Amazon and Akamai @ DE-CIX NY

[Ren Provo]

Hi Thomas,

You probably should remove sessions with networks explicitly *not*
participating in route servers versus displaying them on a global shame
list.

Cheers, -ren

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 5:06 PM Thomas King  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your support! This helps us getting all peers on the new IPv4
> space.
>
>
>
> Our looking glass shows which peers already have changed the IP settings
> (see section “BGP session established”) and which peers are still working
> on it (see section “BGP sessions down”):
>
> https://lg.de-cix.net/routeservers/rs1_nyc_ipv4#sessions-up
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NANOG  on behalf of James Stankiewicz <
> stankiew...@njedge.net>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 30. January 2019 at 19:32
> *To: *Jared Mauch 
> *Cc: *North American Network Operators' Group 
> *Subject: *Re: Calling LinkedIn, Amazon and Akamai @ DE-CIX NY
>
>
>
> Microsoft an Edgecast has not yet made there changes.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 12:20 PM Jared Mauch 
> wrote:
>
> Akamai is working on doing our part. Apologies.
>
> Sent from my iCar
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2019, at 12:02 PM, Mehmet Akcin  wrote:
>
> Pinged my contacts in each
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 05:52 Jason Lixfeld 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> In late October 2018, DE-CIX announced that they would be renumbering
> their IPv4 address block in New York between 01-28-19 and 01-30-19.
>
> This was followed by numerous reminders in months, weeks and even days
> leading up to the renumbering activity.
>
> The renumbering activity has come and gone, but LinkedIn, Amazon and
> Akamai are still using the old IPs.
>
> If three months has gone by and the numerous reminders that have been sent
> have resulted in these organizations still living on the old IP space, it
> seems to me that there may be some sort of a disconnect between who
> receives the notifications from IXPs and how they are filtered upstream.
>
> I’m hopeful that the eyeballs who read this list are some of those folks
> who should have received the notifications from DE-CIX, or can at least
> filter the info back downstream to whoever can perform the renumbering
> activity.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Mehmet
> +1-424-298-1903
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Jim Stankiewicz*
>
> *Principal Network Architect*
>
> *NJEdge*
>
> *W:855.832.EDGE(3343)*
>
> *c:201.306.4409*
>
> *[image:
> https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B15Cb24EwZVsOUhIa0lWbG9ZT2c&revid=0B15Cb24EwZVsdVB2SlJ3ekFEUllPRDZyMGZ5cUtkbko2bWQ0PQ]*
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Why are paper LOAs still used?

[Ren Provo]

Most important parts on the LOA are the explicit ASN, the name to be found
in the cross-connect order portal and local contact data.  Contractors need
that.

Global networks rarely have a contact appropriate for provisioning in a
public facing database.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 14:50 Sean Donelan  wrote:

> Authentication by letterhead?
>
> Paper LOAs are unauthenticated documents, not worth the paper they are
> written on. Usually FAXed, which is even less authenticatable (is that a
> word?).
>
> Prosecutors are capable of using digital documents. Do it all the time
> with echecks, credit cards, ecommerce orders and ACH payments.  But LOAs
> are typically civil disputes, not criminal, when someone mistypes an IP
> address.
>
> They should verifiy the information in the paper LOA with a registry
> anyway.  Since LOAs have no intrinsic value, wouldn't be worth the
> prosecutors time.
>
> Usually a salesperson or order entry clerk thinks its required because
> they've always required it.  But no one in the legal department actually
> knows what to do with a LOA or how to authenticate them.
>
> Because carriers never authenticate LOAs.
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Matt Erculiani wrote:
> > A paper LOA is a legally binding document, an IRR record is an IRR
> record.
> > Falsifying an LOA that is transmitted digitally is wire fraud and can
> > basically be handed right over to a DA for injunction and prosecution.
> >
> > Falsifying IRR records on the other hand leaves more work for the ISP's
> > lawyers to walk a judge (and jury) through the entire purpose and use of
> > that system, as opposed to "here's a super important sheet of paper that
> > they lied on case closed".
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:57 AM Seth Mattinen via NANOG <
> nanog@nanog.org>
> > wrote:
> >   Why do companies still insist on, or deploy new systems that
> >   rely on
> >   paper LOA for IP and ASN resources? How can this be considered
> >   more
> >   trustworthy than RIR based IRR records?
> >
> >   And I'm not even talking about old companies, I have a situation
> >   right
> >   now where a VPS provider I'm using will no longer use IRR and
> >   only
> >   accepts new paper LOAs. In the year 2024. I don't understand how
> >   anyone
> >   can go backwards like that.
> >
> >   ~Seth
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Matt Erculiani
> >
> >
>

Re: N91 Women mixer on Sunday?

[Ren Provo]

I beg to differ here and second Ilissa’s comments.  I miss WiT.  Lunch
during the meeting worked.  Giving up more of the weekend to travel does
not show half the population gathering matters.


On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 15:16 Morris, Tina via NANOG 
wrote:

> Illissa,
> The mixer is at 5pm Sunday, this allows people to network and prepare for
> the week. Sunday also has a hackathon, registration, and often a welcome
> social. NANOG has a very compressed schedule and another time would
> actually mean that the women participating would have to pick between this
> event and another event or talk  that may be critical to their job
> function, which is also unfair.
>
> We are advertising this mixer to make sure all are aware and can attend,
> and the mixers will  be on the schedule at the same approximate time at
> each meeting going forward.
>
> I hope we will see you there.
>
> Tina Morris
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2024, at 14:12, Thomas Scott  wrote:
>
> 
>
> *CAUTION*: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know
> the content is safe.
>
> > While the times are changing, women continue to remain primary
> caregivers for families and this will require them to desert their families
> a day early.  I find it offensive personally and feel like you may have
> missed the mark.
>
> The hackathon has for (as far as I’ve known about it) been on Sunday. I
> don’t work on Sundays - it’s a day for my family (unless the almighty pager
> goes off), so I’ve never gone - even though it’s one of the parts of NANOG
> I’d enjoy, and would benefit from the most.
>
> There are tradeoffs for everything - perhaps the idea was to keep the
> women’s mixer separate from the other evening events, so that those who
> wish to participate, can do all of the evening events, and not have to give
> up anything, at the cost of the extra day. That being said, I agree, moving
> more to Sunday is not an acceptable answer to me.
>
> Best Regards,
> -Thomas Scott
>
> On Mar 28, 2024 at 1:45:07 PM, Ilissa Miller  wrote:
>
>> For those that know me, I rarely provide constructive input about NANOG
>> matters due to my past affiliation, however, I just saw that NANOG
>> announced the Women mixer on Sunday before NANOG 91 and am outraged for all
>> of the young professional women
>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart
>> This Message Is From an Untrusted Sender
>> You have not previously corresponded with this sender.
>>
>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd
>>
> For those that know me, I rarely provide constructive input about NANOG
>> matters due to my past affiliation, however, I just saw that NANOG
>> announced the Women mixer on Sunday before NANOG 91 and am outraged for all
>> of the young professional women who would like to participate in NANOG.
>> While the times are changing, women continue to remain primary caregivers
>> for families and this will require them to desert their families a day
>> early.  I find it offensive personally and feel like you may have missed
>> the mark.
>>
>> The amount of times I hear people complain about having to leave their
>> families is one of the reasons this industry has a problem keeping young
>> people - especially women.
>>
>> Does anyone else feel the same?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Ilissa Miller*
>> *CEO, iMiller Public Relations
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: IOS new versions and network load

[Ren Provo]

Thank you Jason!  

Big week ahead for http://as714.peeringdb.com

Cheers! -ren.pr...@gmail.com

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 5:48 AM, Christopher Morrow  
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 11:05 PM, JASON BOTHE  wrote:
>> 
>> My best experience with Apple has been directly peering with them.
>> Definitely handles the update issue without putting strain on transit
>> links. Apple is very well connected.
>> 
>> https://www.peeringdb.com/net/3554
>> 
>> 
> apple is AS714 though, right? or are they having the trucking company do
> their delivery of bits?
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 21:50, Mel Beckman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is still there. MacMiniColo.
>>> 
>>> -mel beckman
>>> 
 On Sep 17, 2017, at 7:48 PM, Mel Beckman  wrote:
 
 There used to be a Mac mini "hotel" at Switch networks in Vegas. I
>> think it's still there.
 
 -mel
 
>> On Sep 17, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei <
>> jfmezei_na...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2017-09-17 19:37, Eduardo Schoedler wrote:
>> 
>> Server is an app now, any MacOS can have it running.
> 
> But do carriers/ISPs really want to deal with a rack unfriendly Mac
>> Mini
> or iMac at a carrier hotel?  If the Server App could run on Linux, or
>> if
> OS-X could boot on standard servers, perhaps, it it seems to be a very
> bad fit in carrier/enterprise environments.
> 
>> Implementation will be a little tricky, because you need your
>> customers to look a record in your domain.
> 
> 
> I've tried reading some about it.
> The cache server app registers with Apple its existence and the IP
> address ranges it serves
> 
> When a client wants to download new IOS version, Apple checked and
>> finds
> that the client's IP is served by the caching server whose "local" IP
>> is
> a.b.c.d (akaL the inside NAT IP address). Tells client to get version
>> of
> software from that IP address.
> 
> The DNS TXT records are used by the Caching Server to get the list of
>> IP
> blocks it can serve.  (not needed in the target small office
> environments where everyone is on same subnet and the caching server
>> can
> tell the apple serves the one subnet it seves).
> 
>> 

Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast's Actions

[Ren Provo]

http://blog.comcast.com/2010/11/comcast-comments-on-level-3.html

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Dave CROCKER  wrote:

>
>
> On 11/29/2010 2:40 PM, Rettke, Brian wrote:
>
>> Essentially, the question is who has to pay for the infrastructure to
>> support
>> the bandwidth requirements of all of these new and booming streaming
>> ventures. I can understand both the side taken by Comcast, and the side of
>> the content provider, but I don't think it's as simple as the slogans
>> spewed
>> out regarding "Net Neutrality", which has become so misused and abused as
>> a
>> term that I don't think it has any credulous value remaining.
>>
>
>
> I find it helpful to distinguish "participant neutrality" from "service
> neutrality".  The first says that you and I pay the same rate.  The second
> says the my email costs the same as my voip.
>
> As described, it appears that Level3 is being singled out, which makes for
> participant non-neutrality.  On the other hand, if Comcast were charging
> itself for xfinity traffic, this might qualify as service non-neutrality
> (assuming there is a plausible meaning to "charging itself"...
>
> d/
>
> --
>
>  Dave Crocker
>  Brandenburg InternetWorking
>  bbiw.net
>
>

Re: 3500 Egyptian prefixes?

[Ren Provo]

~25 million people live in Cairo alone, many under the age of 30 given
another 'arrival' is said to occur every 10 minutes.  When we were there
earlier this month most had cell phones and wi-fi spots were available all
around the area that is being streamed on CNN right now.  As a society they
are very social and a fair amount of their marketing materials have shifted
to email addresses vs. phone/fax contacts.  Internet access is a big part of
their society.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

> On the Renesys blog
> http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/01/egypt-leaves-the-internet.shtml
> it says that 3500 prefixes disappeared. 1% of the global table seems a lot,
> especially considering that according to AfriNIC Egypt only has 122 IPv4 and
> 7 IPv6 prefixes.
>
> What gives?
>

Re: Pricing for Comcast Connectivity

[Ren Provo]

Hi Oscar,

John is right about the NDA.  Feel free to reach out to Steve Lacoff,
as noted at http://www.comcast.com/dedicatedinternet/

Volume, location, term, etc. are all factors to consider.  Steve will
be at NANOG if you, or others have questions.

Cheers, -ren

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:01 PM, John van Oppen  wrote:
> I think all pricing is under NDA for the direct connectivity...   we have it, 
> and I know it is under NDA for us...
>
> Comcast is in the becoming a tier1 game in a big way so avoiding people who 
> don't already peer with the is probably a plus if you want great connectivity 
> to them.    The AS paths I would avoid are _3356_7922_ (usually fine, but 
> subject to the fight de jour between level3 and Comcast) and anything on 
> _6453_7911_ (subject to being saturated all the time).   Last I checked 
> AS2914 and a few others still only see Comcast via 6453 which made that 
> sub-optimal.
>
>
> I can send you a AS7922 sales contact if you need it, just hit me up off 
> list...  they also have a good list of info on peeringdb for people to 
> contact.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John van Oppen
> Spectrum Networks  AS 11404
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Oscar Caraig [mailto:oscarcar...@safe-mail.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:28 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Pricing for Comcast Connectivity
>
> List,
>
> Does anyone have sample pricing for Comcast's Paid Peering 
> (http://www.comcast.com/dedicatedinternet/) service they'd be able to share?
>
> Also, are there any transit ISPs to avoid when reaching Comcast?  I remember 
> discussion last winter about Tata being congested, and would like to 
> understand how common these issues are.  I'm preparing to launch a large 
> video broadcast for the state, so any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> Oscar Caraig
>
>
>

Fwd: [NANOG-announce] NANOG 53 Update

[Ren Provo]

Thanks for the reminder Betty!

Comcast is hosting a social on Sunday night, October 9th, from
6:30-9:30pm on the 43rd floor at Comcast Center.

NANOG and ARIN participants, registered by Wednesday the 5th of
October, will be on the guest list with security in the lobby.  Late
registrants will need to work with security onsite so please register
early instead.  Photo ID will be required for all participants to
proceed from the lobby to the 43rd floor.

A pair of trolley cars will make an optional continuous loop between
the Loews Hotel and Comcast Center.  The stroll is about a half a mile
/ 15 minutes with Philadelphia City Hall at the mid-spot.

https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN-XXVIII/social.html has
details as well.

We look forward to a great night in Philly to kick-off the week.

Cheers, -ren

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Betty Burke  wrote:
> Colleagues:
>
> A short NANOG 53 reminder and update. NANOG 53 will be held in Philadelphia,
> PA on* October 9-12, 2011*.  NANOG 53 will begin with tutorials starting
> early Sunday afternoon, October 9th. The meeting will adjourn approximately
> 12 noon on Wednesday, October 12th.
>
> Thank you to our NANOG 53 Speakers and to the NANOG Program Committee.
>  Attendees are sure to enjoy another fantastic program.  The posted agenda
> continues to be updated, however, the NANOG 53 program is expected to remain
> as posted!  Do not delay, register for NANOG 53 now as the* registration
> rate will increase on October 4, 2011.*
> http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog53/agenda.html
> http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog53/nanog53_registration.html
>
>
> Please note the Loews Philadelphia *Hotel Group Rate Expires on September
> 23, 2011*.  Make your reservation as soon as possible.
> http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog53/hotel.php
>
> In addition to a wonderful program, attendees will be treated to our famous
> "Sponsor Socials".  NANOG 53 Attendees will have ample social networking
> opportunities during each day and through out the evening.  Philadelphia is
> a wonderful place to visit and NANOG is grateful to our host, Comcast, for
> the opportunity to return to the City of Brotherly Love.  Make sure to join
> us and be a part of the NANOG experience.
>
> Should you have any questions or concerns regarding your reservation, the
> hotel, or NANOG 53 in general, please be sure to send a note to *
> nanog-supp...@nanog.org or phone us at +1 510 492 4030.*
>
>
> Betty
>
> Betty Burke
> NewNOG/NANOG Executive Director
> Office (810) 214-1218
>
> ___
> NANOG-announce mailing list
> nanog-annou...@nanog.org
> https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce
>

Re: CDN locations for US eyeball networks

[Ren Provo]

Hi John,

Take a look at -

http://as7018.peeringdb.com
http://as701.peeringdb.com
http://as7922.peeringdb.com
http://as7843.peeringdb.com
http://as22773.peeringdb.com
http://as20115.peeringdb.com

Most list interconnect locations, others have policy pointers which
list cities of interest.  Cheers, -ren

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John Bell  wrote:
> Hello NANOGers.
>
> I am in the process of scouting for CDN node
> locations for content delivery to end users in the US. Currently looking
>  at Seattle, Los Angeles, Dallas, Chicago, Miami and New York.
> Would
> much appreciate any recommendations, best practices or advice on
> how/where to get good connectivity to the large eyeball networks. Being
> small fish, connectivity will be based on the transit I can score or in
> general connectivity that DCs/server providers offer in the locations
> chosen.
>
>
> John
>
>

Re: Comcast NOC Contact

[Ren Provo]

Uhm, no I did not.  I'd be happy to review your request.  Send over
your ASN to the proper channels please. -ren_pr...@cable.comcast.com


On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Vinod K  wrote:
>
> What congested links r u seeing?
>
> When we contacted Comcast for peering, Ren Provo explain that ratios r 
> balanced b/c of their media and cloud products... imbalance is common 
> misunderstanding.
>
> Vinod
>
>> From: wingc...@hotmail.com
>> To: j...@baylink.com; nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: Comcast NOC Contact
>> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:35:59 -0500
>>
>> Yeah, I've been hitting congested links with several of my customers. This 
>> was just a case of one of our customer's prefixes taking an extra long 
>> journey from one region to another.
>> Thank you to all who responded! I think we might on our way to remediating 
>> this small issue!
>> -Rob
>>
>> > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 11:03:10 -0500
>> > From: j...@baylink.com
>> > To: nanog@nanog.org
>> > Subject: Re: Comcast NOC Contact
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > > On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Nick Hilliard  wrote:
>> >
>> > > > For providers who have an overall asymmetric traffic profile towards
>> > > > Comcast, it's a matter of perspective as to whether you view this as
>> > > > the providers sending Comcast traffic or Comcast customers pulling it.
>> > > > So it's hardly surprising that there are disagreements about who gets 
>> > > > to pay
>> > > > the other for the interconnection arrangements.
>> >
>> > Saying that it's a matter of perspective is a false dichotomy.
>> >
>> > If the providers go away, the Comcast customers will pull traffic from
>> > other providers.
>> >
>> > If the *customers* go away...
>> >
>> > Nope; Comcast is acting as the agent of its customers to pull in traffic
>> > they want to see, and if it isn't charging them enough for that, that is
>> > *Comcast's* problem.
>> >
>> > It's really a bright-line answer.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -- jra
>> > --
>> > Jay R. Ashworth  Baylink   
>> > j...@baylink.com
>> > Designer The Things I Think   RFC 
>> > 2100
>> > Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover 
>> > DII
>> > St Petersburg FL USA   #natog  +1 727 647 
>> > 1274
>> >
>>
>

Re: Cogent for ISP bandwidth

[Ren Provo]

Keep in mind http://bgp.he.net is not always accurate.  It is a great
start but even after years of pointing it out there are adjacencies
missing and oddly some listed as direct where no relationship even
exists.

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jason Baugher  wrote:
> I appreciate the reference to bgp.he.net, I had not used that tool before.

Re: Comcast Paid Peer Pricing

[Ren Provo]

What is your ASN Nabil so I can find out what you submitted for a
request, including scope and term. -ren

On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Nabil Sharma  wrote:
>
> Dear NANOG:
> I seek pricing on Comcast AS7922 paid peer at following commit level:
> 1G
> 10G
> 100G
> Please reply in private and I will sum up on list.
> Sincerely,
> Nabil
>

Re: Comcast vs. Verizon for repair methodologies

[Ren Provo]

Hi Patrick,

Yikes.  We can work together on getting this sorted.  Will give you
details directly.  Cheers, -ren


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore  wrote:
> Given the recent VZ thread, I thought I'd show why my new house has crap 
> Internet.
>
> The story: A piece of underground cable went bad.  The techs didn't pull new 
> underground cable.  They decided it was better to do it "arial" (if you can 
> call 2 feet "arial").  They took apart the two pedestals on either side of 
> the break and ran a new strand of RG6 (yes, the same stuff you use inside 
> your home, not the outside-plant rated stuff) tied to trees with rope.
>
> 
>
> These pedestals have looked like this for months apparently.  I called the 
> 800 # and complained, they rolled a truck.  The guy didn't even come in my 
> house, just gave me his supervisor's number and said that he's a home tech, 
> the outside plant guys are the problem and he can't fix it.  A second guy 
> rolled up while we were chatting and told me he had a call around the block 
> for the same thing.  They've been taking complaints about this for months and 
> are as tired of it as we are.  I assured them I was more tired of it, given 
> he was getting paid while I was paying, but I understood their situation.
>
> Of course, since the other "broadband" option at my house is 1 Mbps Verizon 
> DSL, I don't have much leverage. :(
>
> --
> TTFN,
> patrick
>
> P.S. Worst part is AT&T sux there too, so I have a picocell - which runs over 
> the Comcast cable mode
>
>

Re: Anyone else suddenly getting shaped/throttled by comcast this morning?

[Ren Provo]

An outage in the Bay Area is being worked at present Ray. -ren

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Ray Wong  wrote:
> Looks to have started at almost exactly 8am Eastern, though in our
> case it's mostly west coast traffic(dst to comcast retail customers),
> so seems unlikely to be aftermath of storm damage, unless someone
> didn't look very closely at their traffic before noodling things.
> Still, coming up on 3 hours my outbound hasn't topped exactly a gbit,
> which seems a little convenient...
>
>
>
> -R>
>

Re: net neutrality and peering wars continue

[Ren Provo]

Even better by Verizon -
http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog/entry/unbalanced-peering-and-the-real-story-behind-the-verizon-cogent-dispute

Some may recognize the name of the author for the WSJ article given
she attended NANOG in Orlando -
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323836504578553170167992666-lMyQjAxMTAzMDEwOTExNDkyWj.html


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Randy Bush  wrote:
> good article by Stacey Higginbotham
>
> http://gigaom.com/2013/06/19/peering-pressure-the-secret-battle-to-control-the-future-of-the-internet/
>

[NANOG-announce] Reminder - NANOG46 registration fees - $525 => $600 on Monday

[Ren Provo]

Hi folks,

Just a few reminders -

The registration fee for NANOG46 is set to go up from US$525 to US$600
on Monday.   https://nanog.merit.edu/registration/

The general program is full at this time.  Lightning talks are being
accepted at http://pc.nanog.org.  Three lightning talks will be
selected next Tuesday for presentation on Monday the 15th of June.

http://nanog46.comcast.net offers suggestions for site-seeing, food
and transport.  Some have asked what is the best way to get to the
Loews Hotel from the Philadelphia Airport.  Without a doubt the train
is the best bang for your $7.  Follow the signs when baggage claim,
ground transportation and exit are mentioned.  You can purchase the
ticket on the train.  Market East is the exit and the hotel is across
the street from the Hard Rock at the corner of 12th & Market.

See you in about a week!  -ren

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Re: Use of Default in the DFZ: banned in philly, see it now on the net!

[Ren Provo]

One point of clarity here.  Lightning talks are scheduled in a more spur of
the moment fashion than the traditional submission process for general
sessions.  We often schedule lightning talks around a topic with potential
to run short if Q&A isn't significant or we have a 15 minute gap before a
break.  Unfortunately that means dates, or times, have the potential to
shift and flexibility is required by the party presenting.  Randy was
offered an alternative as soon as it was discovered the original time slot
on Monday was not going to prove viable.  Options later in the meeting were
not chosen by Randy due to his schedule constraints.  If a specific date is
required on the NANOG agenda please consider submitting a presentation well
in advance of posted deadlines for the general sessions.  The NANOG PC does
consider comments made in the tool at http://pc.nanog.org when scheduling
the agenda.  Short duration presentations have been accepted well in advance
of the meeting for about a year now and we welcome interesting topics, much
like Randy details below.  We hope to see Randy back up at the microphone on
stage at future NANOG meetings.  Cheers! -ren

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Randy Bush  wrote:

> due to nanog pc silliness, my lightning talk on $subject was not given
> in philly.  i had promised to report to nanog the results of our winter
> experiment which used as path poisoning.  here is the lightning talk i
> would have given.
>
>   http://archive.psg.com/090615.nanog-default.pdf
>
> this is really meant to be a talk, so the slides can be a bit hard.
>
> on slide 6
>  /20 is the as path length of a /20, i.e. a 'normal' distribution,
>  as seen from bgp monitors at RV, RIS, and a jillion others
>  /25 is the as path length distribution we saw pinging from the /25
>  BGP is the as path length distribution we saw from RV/RIS
> i.e. BGP views are significantly skewed.  but most of us knew that.
>
> on slides 10 and 11, the categories stub, small isp, large isp are from
> a ucla study.  imiho, you should take them with a grain of salt.
>
> on 12, the reason for the funniness around 30 test points is because, we
> really wanted >= 30 test points in an AS.  so if we got close, we
> scanned harder to find them.
>
> please do check your as at  and then actually
> look at your router config.  i found one of my routers still had a
> default from when i was bringing it up.
>
> randy
>
>

NANOG47 - Program Committee will meet next week to review second round submissions

[Ren Provo]

Hi folks,

There are many interesting abstracts in the tool at
http://pc.nanog.org and we hope to see a few more presentations arrive
prior to next Wednesday.

Lightning talks will not be accepted until October.  That doesn't mean
you can't kick out that first draft to a friend for inspiration!

Election season is also drawing close.  The election timeline is now
online at http://www.nanog.org/governance/elections/2009elections/

Last but not least, the hotel group rate expires this month -
http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/hotel.php

Cheers, -ren

Re: Outages BOF - NANOG 44 (los angeles).

[Ren Provo]

Hi Virendra,

Putting my NANOG Program Committee Member hat on, please work with Joel
Jaeggli, also on the NANOG PC.  He is moderating a Tools BOF Monday
afternoon at 4:30 in the Heinsbergen Room as per
http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog44/agenda.php

If you are interested in leading an outages specific BOF please put in a
request at http://www.nanogpc.org for NANOG45.  January 2009 will be here
before you know it!   Cheers, -ren

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:26 PM, virendra rode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
>
> Just wondering if there's any interest in meeting up during nanog 44
> (los angeles) and sharing your thoughts, challenges or your outages
> experience in general or would like to simply vent and empty your head.
>
>
> Topics of interest:
>
> * Service provider(s) participation in outages notification?
>
> * What monitoring  tools do you use to monitor your environment? How do
> they work for your environment? Does it scale for your environment? What
> would you like to see out of such a tool (open-source or commercial).
>
> Collaboration/participation is one of the key things that I'm aiming to
> achieve w/o the need for an overarching organizational body and have a
> broad base of representation. So come and speak your mind.
>
>
> Please respond to me directly and not the list so I can arrange for a
> meeting room.
>
>
> grateful thanks,
>
>
> regards,
> /virendra
> moderator, outages.org
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
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>

Re: NANOG 45: Register Now, Hotel Link Available

[Ren Provo]

Hi folks,

As a reminder Peter Cohen is running the new and improved Peering BOF survey
during NANOG45.  If you wouldn't mind answering questions posted at
http://tinyurl.com/bofsurvey after you register we would all appreciate it.
Thanks!  -Ren Provo

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Tom Daly  wrote:

> Folks,
> NANOG 45 in the Dominican Republic is fast approaching, so now is the time
> to go get registered for the conference.
>
> You can register for NANOG 45 at:
>
> https://nanog.merit.edu/registration/
>
> I'm also pleased to report that our hotel has provided us with with a
> direct link for online reservations. You can make your reservations online
> at:
>
> http://cwp.marriott.com/sdqgw/nanog/
>
> Be aware: the hotel is offering very nice rooms at a great rate (part of
> what should make your travel justification easier), so be sure to register
> soon.
>
> Also, consider booking travel soon.  A number of airlines have
> substantially discounted flights at the moment, but one never knows when
> they might expire.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you all in SDQ,
>
> Tom Daly,
> for the NANOG Program Committee
>
> --
> Tom Daly
> t...@dyndns.com
> Dynamic Network Services, Inc.
> http://dynamicnetworkservices.com/
>
>

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

[Ren Provo]

Hi Randy (and the cast of characters on this thread),

Could you please put in a lightning talk for this experiment?  It would be
great to hear more about this in .DR.  We're accepting submissions now for
lightning talks on Monday the 26th of January.  http://www.nanogpc.org is
the best place.  Cheers, -ren

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Randy Bush  wrote:

> On 09.01.13 07:42, Paul Stewart wrote:
>
>> For us, it was annoying - we look for prefix hijackings or what appear
>> to be.
>>
>
> i think herein lies the rub.  it is not prefix hijacking and in no way
> should it appear that way to you.  i suggest tuning your detectors.  i am
> told that path poisoning is used (futilely, we hope to show) in day to day
> ops by folk to try to avert dos attacks.
>
> randy
>
>

Re: Anyone notice strange announcements for 174.128.31.0/24

[Ren Provo]

Fair enough.  Unfortunate, and I'll miss you in .DR, but understood.

Now that doesn't mean other operators can't put in a lightning talk about
the impact or 'event' this triggered in their own NOC environments along
with what they recommend operators do to reduce the spun cycles 

Cheers, -ren

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Randy Bush  wrote:

>  Could you please put in a lightning talk for this experiment? It would
>> be great to hear more about this in .DR. We're accepting submissions now
>> for lightning talks on Monday the 26th of January.
>>
>
> a - i will not be in dr.  i really wanted to support the dr meeting,
>but it's hard to justify after four years of service.  maybe i'll
>make the next one.
>
> b - we can not present results before papers are submitted.
>
> c - we hope to present results at ops fora, nanog included, if they
>are good enough to warrant as opposed to just good sensationalist
>blah blah.
>
> randy
>

Re: Inauguration streaming traffic

[Ren Provo]

BitGravity did a great job.

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Christopher Morrow <
morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As an aside... thanks to BBC for streaming this, I couldn't find
> another source that wasn't overloaded/jerky/ugly :(
>
> Thanks Brandon.
>
> -Chris
>
>

[NANOG-announce] NANOG46 - abstracts, trains & hotels - oh my!

[Ren Provo]

Hi folks,

NANOG46 is only a few months away and I hear many are getting their ducks in
a row to participate.

We, the Program Committee, would like to remind all who have submitted
abstracts at http://pc.nanog.org that the time has come to get your
presentation materials uploaded.  For those of you still considering
submitting presentations it is not too late to request a BOF, tutorial,
track, or general session slot.  Lightning talk submissions will be welcomed
in May.

Shifting gears to represent the host, Comcast, I would encourage folks to
consider exploring Philly either before or after NANOG46, which runs 14-17
June.  http://nanog46.comcast.net includes links for sightseeing,
socializing and general transportation guidance.  This is a work in
progress, yes it will be IPv6 ready shortly, and if folks have
recommendations for inclusion please do email me directly.

Amtrak is running a special until July (must purchase by 12-Jun-09) which
can significantly reduce costs, a bonus in this economy.  Go to
http://www.amtrak.com and click on 'Hot Deals' for the lower fares on Acela
Express.  Washington, DC to Philly is only $73 and you get to keep your
shoes on!

Philly is a walking city and there is no need to rent a car.  Whether you
arrive by Amtrak or airplane consider using the SEPTA Rail trains to take
you to the conference hotel.  Market East would be the right stop to exit,
also known as Convention Center.  Follow the signs for the Hard Rock Cafe
and you'll spot the Loews Hotel across the street.  Of course if you really
want to explore Philly above ground take the Segway tour -
http://reservations.gophila.com/nexres/activities/detail.cgi?src=10018788&ses=1829b368884e04999bcd78b4bc0455e9&airport_code=PHL&city=Phl&actType=tours&supplier_id=22653

Hotel reservations for the Loews can be made at
http://www.phlgroupbooking.com/NANOG/  The NANOG Group Rate is $199 (plus
15.2% tax) which includes guest room Internet access.
Group rate expires: May 29, 2009

Registration is open and we look forward to a fun NANOG in Philly!

Cheers, -Ren Provo
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Re: NAT64/NAT-PT update in IETF, was: Re: Important New Requirement for IPv4 Requests [re "impacting revenue"]

[Ren Provo]

Ron Bonica is leading a BOF during NANOG46 in Philly which may be of interest -

BOF: IETF OPS & MGMT Area,
Ron Bonica, Juniper Networks
Presentation Date: June 14, 2009, 2:00 PM - 3:30 PM

Abstract:
The IETF OPS & MGMT Area documents management technologies and
operational best common practices. The purpose of this BoF is to
review activities in that area and solicit feedback to determine the
usefulness of those activities to the operator community. We will also
solicit proposals for new work that is of interest to users.

The full agenda is up at - http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog46/agenda.php
Cheers, -ren


On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum
 wrote:
>
> On 22 apr 2009, at 22:12, Jack Bates wrote:
>
>> I think this annoys people more than anything. We're how many years into the 
>> development and deployment cycle of IPv6? What development cycle is expected 
>> out of these CPE devices after a spec is FINALLY published?
>
> That's certainly one way to look at this, and I'm just as unhappy about how 
> long this has taken as you. On the other hand, it has been argued that these 
> issues are outside the scope of the IETF in the first place, as it's just 
> application of already established protocols, not developing something new. 
> So another way to look at it is that at least the IETF is finally doing 
> something because so far, nobody else has. What would have helped here is 
> more push in this direction.
>
>> If the IETF is talking "future" and developers are also talking "future", us 
>> little guys that design, build, and maintain the networks can't really do 
>> much. I so hope that vendors get sick of it and just make up their own 
>> proprietary methods of doing things. Let the IETF catch up later on.
>
> People who run networks can do a lot: believe it or not, the IETF really 
> wants input from network operators, especially in the early phases of 
> protocol development when the requirements are established.
>
> Proprietary methods duking it out in the market place is nice for stuff that 
> happens inside one box or at least within one administrative domain, but it 
> would be a nightmare in broadband deployment where I want my Windows box to 
> talk to my Apple wifi base station and my Motorola cable modem to the ISP's 
> Cisco headend and their Extreme switches and Juniper routers.
>
>

Re: [NANOG] Comcast (AS 7922 -> 33491) issues?

[Ren Provo]

Hi Darrell,

This should be resolved shortly. -ren

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Darrell Hyde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm seeing tons of availability issues to networks with AS paths ending
> in "7922 33491". A couple of the prefixes in question are 98.214.0.0/15,
> 69.137.240.0/20, 73.117.0.0/16, and 67.175.0.0/16.
>
> I spoke with Abovenet earlier this morning - they say its due to L3
> suppressing those announcements to some of their peers. Initially I
> thought they were just making things up, until I started seeing "%
> Network not in table" responses to BGP lookups on the router where I
> peer with Sprint:
>
> #show ip bgp 98.214.184.18
> % Network not in table
>
> #show ip bgp 69.137.251.134
> % Network not in table
>
> And yet...
>
> #show ip bgp 98.214.184.18
> BGP routing table entry for 98.214.0.0/15, version 26493985
> Paths: (2 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table)
>  Advertised to update-groups:
> 3  4
>  3491 7922 33491
>63.218.31.1 from 63.218.31.1 (63.218.30.9)
>  Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, external, best
>  Community: 228787176 228787177 228794098
>  6395 3356 7922 33491
>216.140.65.73 from 216.140.65.73 (216.140.9.56)
>  Origin IGP, metric 160, localpref 100, valid, external
>
> #show ip bgp 69.137.251.134
> BGP routing table entry for 69.137.240.0/20, version 26493909
> Paths: (2 available, best #1, table Default-IP-Routing-Table)
>  Advertised to update-groups:
> 3  4
>  3491 7922 33491
>63.218.31.1 from 63.218.31.1 (63.218.30.9)
>  Origin IGP, localpref 100, valid, external, best
>  Community: 228787176 228787177 228794098
>  6395 3356 7922 33491
>216.140.65.73 from 216.140.65.73 (216.140.9.56)
>  Origin IGP, metric 160, localpref 100, valid, external
>
> Based on what I'm seeing, someone out there has to be seeing similar
> behavior. Anybody? Bueller?
>
> D.
>
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Re: Comcast peering contacts

[Ren Provo]

Hi Manolo,

Peeringdb.com is the best place to cross-check what is available at a
certain IX for public or private interconnection.
http://as7922.peeringdb.com is what you are looking for WRT Comcast.
http://www.comcast.com/peering details settlement-free interconnection
guidelines.

Cheers, -ren

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 4:40 PM, manolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> All,
>
>  I have misplaced the website that lists the contacts for bgp peering with
> a provider at a NAP. Does anyone have this link handy or have a email for
> requesting direct peering with comcast?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Manolo
>
>

[NANOG-announce] Reminder - NANOG PC tool is accepting presentations for both NANOG 44 & 45

[Ren Provo]

Hi folks,

As mentioned in the NANOG Program Committee call minutes, posted at
http://www.nanog.org/pc.nanog44_minutes.html, we are currently accepting
presentations for both NANOG44 and NANOG45.  Several abstracts have been
received for the October meeting and we are going to assume they are
intended for NANOG44.  Please clearly mark submissions if NANOG45 is your
intention.

Our next call is scheduled for early July so keep the submissions, and
promised slides for those with abstracts in the tool at present, flowing.

Thanks! -Ren, on behalf of the NANOG Program Committee
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[NANOG-announce] Reminder: Presentation materials for NANOG44/45 are welcomed

[Ren Provo]

Hi folks,

The tentative agenda for NANOG44 will be released shortly and registration
will open for the October meeting.  There are many time slots marked as
'speaker - pending' or 'tutorial - pending' due to abstracts lacking actual
presentations.  We believe there are many good ideas lurking within the
abstracts and highly encourage those who consider their submission a work in
progress to complete the presentation portion and submit it to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] today.

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Re: SBCglobal routing loop.

[Ren Provo]

What did your upstream transit supplier advise before you escalated this to
the global audience at NANOG?
This is the second time in 24hrs you have requested assistance here which
could have been handled via other methods.
-ren

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Logan Rawlins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Anyone from sbcglobal out there?  i'm seeing a routing loop.  Please
> contact me off list  thanks.
>
> sourceip:  69.16.137.66
>
>
> tracert 75.58.215.133
>
> Tracing route to adsl-75-58-215-133.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net [
> 75.58.215.133]
> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>
> 1 2 ms<1 ms<1 ms  192.168.113.1
> 2 1 ms 2 ms 2 ms  69.16.137.66
> 3 1 ms 2 ms 2 ms  e-2-21-1000m.core-04.phx2.puregig.net
> [69.16.128
> .110]
> 4 2 ms 2 ms 5 ms  v303.ar1.ph.hwng.net [69.16.128.137]
> 5 1 ms 1 ms 2 ms  ve1011.r2.ph.hwng.net [69.16.190.161]
> 611 ms20 ms11 ms  2-1.r1.la.hwng.net [69.16.191.37]
> 712 ms11 ms11 ms  vl101.ar1.lax1.us.nlayer.net [69.31.127.29]
> 811 ms11 ms11 ms  ae0-60.cr1.lax1.us.nlayer.net
> [69.31.127.165]
> 911 ms11 ms11 ms  ex1-g12-0.eqlaca.sbcglobal.net
> [69.31.127.50]
> 1011 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 1111 ms11 ms11 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 1211 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 1311 ms11 ms11 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 1414 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 1511 ms11 ms11 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 1611 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 1711 ms12 ms11 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 1811 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 1912 ms11 ms11 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 2012 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 2111 ms11 ms12 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 2211 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 2314 ms11 ms12 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 2411 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 2511 ms11 ms16 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 2614 ms11 ms12 ms  151.164.188.139
> 2711 ms12 ms12 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 2812 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
> 2911 ms12 ms12 ms  bb2-p14-0.scrm01.sbcglobal.net
> [151.164.188.138]
>
> 3011 ms11 ms11 ms  151.164.188.139
>
> Trace complete.
>
>
>

Re: Comcast Email/Abuse Dept Contact Request

[Ren Provo]

Hi Sean,

I'll connect you with our team.  There is a thread looking for assistance at
your organization running for about that same amount of time.  Bogon filters
are fun. -ren

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Sean Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> All,
>
>
>
> If there's anyone out there from Comcast's Email Administration or Abuse
> dept, can you please contact me off list?
>
> I've had a ticket open for over a week now and lets just say it's "being
> dealt with poorly".   ;-)
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> --
>
> Sean Doyle
>
> Systems/Network Engineer
>
> KDDI America, Inc. - Chicago Office
>
> Direct: 630-227-1373 Main: 630-227-1350
>
> Cell:   630-808-7207 Fax:  630-227-1360
>
>
>
> NOTE: This electronic mail message may contain confidential and privileged
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> received information is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in
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> message and all related copies.
>
>
>
>

Re: austin eats

[Ren Provo]

Daniel I hope you'll be able to join us at Iron Cactus on Sunday night
- http://renster.multiply.com/photos/album/553/Sunday_night_in_Austin

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Daniel Fox  wrote:
> Just ate at iron cactus on 6th and both the talapia and spicy shrimp tacos 
> are phenomonal! Margaritas are really good too... 90 plus tequillas to choose 
> from...great staff
>
> Daniel Fox
> Smarsh Inc
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Boyd 
> Sent: 17 February 2010 14:42
> To: North American Network Operators Group 
> Subject: Re: austin eats
>
>
> On Feb 17, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Will Clayton wrote:
>
>> Maudi's on Lake Austin and Taco Deli are always on my menu. We just got some 
>> Buffalo Wild Wings in town if you are in to that. If you make it to NXNW get 
>> the Calimari. If you wind up ordering pizza, shop local and get the best 
>> pizza for the best price in town at Austin's Pizza.
>
> Austin's is good, but HomeSlice on South Congress is better, and you can walk 
> on down to Trophy's, Continental Club, or the garden at Guero's and take in a 
> band.
>
> http://www.homeslicepizza.com/
> http://austin.citysearch.com/profile/10210801/austin_tx/trophy_s_bar_grill.html
> http://www.continentalclub.com/
> http://www.guerostacobar.com/
>
>