Most important parts on the LOA are the explicit ASN, the name to be found in the cross-connect order portal and local contact data. Contractors need that.
Global networks rarely have a contact appropriate for provisioning in a public facing database. On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 14:50 Sean Donelan <s...@donelan.com> wrote: > Authentication by letterhead? > > Paper LOAs are unauthenticated documents, not worth the paper they are > written on. Usually FAXed, which is even less authenticatable (is that a > word?). > > Prosecutors are capable of using digital documents. Do it all the time > with echecks, credit cards, ecommerce orders and ACH payments. But LOAs > are typically civil disputes, not criminal, when someone mistypes an IP > address. > > They should verifiy the information in the paper LOA with a registry > anyway. Since LOAs have no intrinsic value, wouldn't be worth the > prosecutors time. > > Usually a salesperson or order entry clerk thinks its required because > they've always required it. But no one in the legal department actually > knows what to do with a LOA or how to authenticate them. > > Because carriers never authenticate LOAs. > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, Matt Erculiani wrote: > > A paper LOA is a legally binding document, an IRR record is an IRR > record. > > Falsifying an LOA that is transmitted digitally is wire fraud and can > > basically be handed right over to a DA for injunction and prosecution. > > > > Falsifying IRR records on the other hand leaves more work for the ISP's > > lawyers to walk a judge (and jury) through the entire purpose and use of > > that system, as opposed to "here's a super important sheet of paper that > > they lied on case closed". > > > > -Matt > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 11:57 AM Seth Mattinen via NANOG < > nanog@nanog.org> > > wrote: > > Why do companies still insist on, or deploy new systems that > > rely on > > paper LOA for IP and ASN resources? How can this be considered > > more > > trustworthy than RIR based IRR records? > > > > And I'm not even talking about old companies, I have a situation > > right > > now where a VPS provider I'm using will no longer use IRR and > > only > > accepts new paper LOAs. In the year 2024. I don't understand how > > anyone > > can go backwards like that. > > > > ~Seth > > > > > > > > -- > > Matt Erculiani > > > > >
