Re: [NANOG] Multihoming for small frys?

[Joe Warren-Meeks]

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:08:32PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
> For multihomed, /22 is still the rule.

Over here in RIPE-land, I just got a /23 for AS44947, announced as two
/24's. Seems to work fine.

 -- joe.

Hughes Network

[Joe Blanchard]

Pardon the request,

Is their anyone on the NANOG list from Hughesnet? I'm facing an
issue with reverse DNS (RFC1912) that
is difficult at best to resolve in India. ;)
Please contact me off list.

Regards,
Joe Blanchard

RE: Hughes Network

[rar]

I have tried everything I can think of to get good technical support
from Hughesnet.  I sent a Fed Ex package outlining a problem to the
President.  Never heard a word.  The people in India where a nightmare.
I worked with one of their sales reps and no satisfaction.  

If you find anyone who can help with technical issues, and they are
willing to help another soon to be ex-customer with an issue in Haiti,
let me know.

Bob Roswell
System Source
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(410) 771-5544 ext 4336



-Original Message-
From: Joe Blanchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:38 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Hughes Network



Pardon the request,

Is their anyone on the NANOG list from Hughesnet? I'm facing an
issue with reverse DNS (RFC1912) that
is difficult at best to resolve in India. ;)
Please contact me off list.

Regards,
Joe Blanchard

Splitting ARIN assignment

[James Kelty]

Hey all,

I'm looking for an opinion from the group. I have an ARIN /21 assignment 
and a new requirement for a second data center. Rather than ask for 
another assignment, I would like to advertise one /22 from one location 
and the other /22 from the second location both with the same asn. My 
apps will work that way, so I don't have an issue internally, but I'm 
looking for a broader base opinion on that.


Thanks a lot!

-James

RE: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Scott Morris]

As long as your upstreams/partners are cool with that, there is no related
designation between how addresses are allocated versus how they are
announced.

In other words, TECHNICALLY you could advertise a whole bunch of /30's
You just run the risk of being filtered and/or ridiculed along the way.  :)

But splitting the /22's from the same announcing AS shouldn't cause any
problems as long as you design your connectivity ok.

Scott 

-Original Message-
From: James Kelty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:39 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Splitting ARIN assignment 

Hey all,

I'm looking for an opinion from the group. I have an ARIN /21 assignment and
a new requirement for a second data center. Rather than ask for another
assignment, I would like to advertise one /22 from one location and the
other /22 from the second location both with the same asn. My apps will work
that way, so I don't have an issue internally, but I'm looking for a broader
base opinion on that.

Thanks a lot!

-James

RE: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Ben Butler]

Hi,

I do appreciate real life is often more complex than high flying ideals.
But aggregation and general good practice would mean in an ideal world
you would invest in the internal infrastructure to connect your data
centres together with a network and run an IGP+iBGP plus advertise the
/21 eBGP at both sites to upstreams.  It could be argued that the cost
of building the network to run your AS is part and parcel of the expense
of opening new datacenter - rather than this ever increasing route table
growth.

Plus if you de-aggregate as intended you can not announce a covering
route for the /21 due to no internal connectivity and if this puts the
/22 under the minimum allocation size for the RIR block your IP space
comes from then don't be surprised when it gets filtered out and people
end up having to accept no routing to your network at all or, sum
optimal via a default.

But life is rarely as simple as ideals.

My 2e

Ben

-Original Message-
From: Scott Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 May 2008 17:49
To: 'James Kelty'; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Splitting ARIN assignment 

As long as your upstreams/partners are cool with that, there is no
related designation between how addresses are allocated versus how they
are announced.

In other words, TECHNICALLY you could advertise a whole bunch of
/30's
You just run the risk of being filtered and/or ridiculed along the way.
:)

But splitting the /22's from the same announcing AS shouldn't cause any
problems as long as you design your connectivity ok.

Scott 

-Original Message-
From: James Kelty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:39 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Splitting ARIN assignment 

Hey all,

I'm looking for an opinion from the group. I have an ARIN /21 assignment
and a new requirement for a second data center. Rather than ask for
another assignment, I would like to advertise one /22 from one location
and the other /22 from the second location both with the same asn. My
apps will work that way, so I don't have an issue internally, but I'm
looking for a broader base opinion on that.

Thanks a lot!

-James

Re: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Joe Maimon]

James Kelty wrote:

Hey all,

I'm looking for an opinion from the group. I have an ARIN /21 assignment 
and a new requirement for a second data center. Rather than ask for 
another assignment, I would like to advertise one /22 from one location 
and the other /22 from the second location both with the same asn. My 
apps will work that way, so I don't have an issue internally, but I'm 
looking for a broader base opinion on that.


Thanks a lot!

-James


You should attempt to advertise the /21 at each site along with the 
site's /22


If you dont have dedicated interconnectivity between the sites, 
tunneling *carefully* should do the trick.


This will ensure that if/when those who filter on strict allocation 
boundaries dont hear your /22, there will still be reachability, even if 
suboptimal, to your sites.

Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Joe Maimon]

Looking for some advice for a first-timer.

What are your recommendation regarding gear?

- laptop and charger only

- laptop with small bag

- the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing

Thanks,

Joe

Re: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Justin M. Streiner]

On Thu, 22 May 2008, James Kelty wrote:

I'm looking for an opinion from the group. I have an ARIN /21 assignment and 
a new requirement for a second data center. Rather than ask for another 
assignment, I would like to advertise one /22 from one location and the other 
/22 from the second location both with the same asn. My apps will work that 
way, so I don't have an issue internally, but I'm looking for a broader base 
opinion on that.


You can do this and it shouldn't be much of an issue.  Note tht if you 
change your routing policy in the future and opt to announce the full /21 
from both data centers, you will need to make provisions for connectivity 
between the two sites since both sites would be advertising reachability 
for the full block.


jms

RE: Hughes Network

[Jason J. W. Williams]

Has anyone else noticed that the [NANOG] prefix has been missing
intermittently from the list traffic over the last couple of days?

-J
---
Jason J. W. Williams
COO/CTO, DigiTar
http://www.digitar.com

E: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
V: 208-343-8520
M: 208-863-0727
F: 208-322-8520
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-Original Message-
From: rar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:04 AM
To: Joe Blanchard; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Hughes Network

I have tried everything I can think of to get good technical support
from Hughesnet.  I sent a Fed Ex package outlining a problem to the
President.  Never heard a word.  The people in India where a nightmare.
I worked with one of their sales reps and no satisfaction.  

If you find anyone who can help with technical issues, and they are
willing to help another soon to be ex-customer with an issue in Haiti,
let me know.

Bob Roswell
System Source
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(410) 771-5544 ext 4336



-Original Message-
From: Joe Blanchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:38 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Hughes Network



Pardon the request,

Is their anyone on the NANOG list from Hughesnet? I'm facing an
issue with reverse DNS (RFC1912) that
is difficult at best to resolve in India. ;)
Please contact me off list.

Regards,
Joe Blanchard


!SIG:48359a1571591351813437!

Re: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Hyunseog Ryu]

I I were you, I will advertise as following.

/21 Original ARIN allocation
/22 First half of ARIN allocation
/22 second half of ARIN allocation

In this case, you will have backup /21 route just in case of filtering
or something like that.
But in normal case, traffic will be routed based on more specific
routes, which are /22s.

In some case, upstream ISPs may filter based on strict filtering, which
means all BGP prefix announcement should be matched with registered CIDR
info including subnet size.
In most case, upstream ISP will accept any subnet size between
registered size (/21) and /24 size.

Because of load sharing and traffic engineering requirement, it is easy
to handle those situation with /22 size.

Make sure that your two location is inter-connected directly, and have
enough capacity when each of location upstream connection goes down.


Hyun


ames Kelty wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm looking for an opinion from the group. I have an ARIN /21
> assignment and a new requirement for a second data center. Rather than
> ask for another assignment, I would like to advertise one /22 from one
> location and the other /22 from the second location both with the same
> asn. My apps will work that way, so I don't have an issue internally,
> but I'm looking for a broader base opinion on that.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> -James
>
>
>
>

Re: Hughes Network

[Michael Holstein]

Has anyone else noticed that the [NANOG] prefix has been missing
intermittently from the list traffic over the last couple of days?
  


Different SMTP servers, it appears (looks like they might have been 
using an Ironport box to do anti-spam, and it was probably doing the 
subject re-writes as well)


With the [NANOG] in subject :

received: from linuxbox.org ([24.155.83.21])
by thor.merit.edu with ESMTP; 20 May 2008 10:27:41 -0400

Without the subject tag :

Received: from nameserver2.ttec.com ([64.95.32.37] helo=smtp.ttec.com)
by s0.nanog.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD))
(envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1JzEFp-0006tP-1S
for nanog@nanog.org; Thu, 22 May 2008 17:07:01 +


Cheers,

Michael Holstein
Cleveland State University

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Lynda]

Joe Maimon wrote:


Looking for some advice for a first-timer.

What are your recommendation regarding gear?

[snippy]

- the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing


Personally, I'd go with the latter. I've done it all, from backpack 
(that'll start to be a nuisance, trust me) to laptop only, to a small 
square cart thing (I don't remember what they're called) that I could 
dump the laptop and various stuffs in.


My current bag is swiss army (I *love* it), can hold two laptops if 
necessary (and I've been there), and whatever else I think I might need, 
depending on the conference/meeting/work assignment that I'm involved 
with. I even carry a tool set, for stuffing in checked luggage when 
flying, and patch cables, but for you, that's probably overkill.


One of the things that makes me popular is that I carry a PowerSquid 
(one of the best inventions *evaire*), just in case.


The case is easier on your back, has nice handles, and even a shoulder 
strap, if you need them, has pockets and compartments forever, and fits 
in the overhead. I think it's called a Victorinox.


--
Die Gedanken sind frei

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Paul Wall]

I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
is a good plan.

Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
Park.

Paul

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>
> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>
> - laptop and charger only
>
> - laptop with small bag
>
> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Hyunseog Ryu]

Third option. ^.^
You may need to have notepad, pens, and other stuffs.
Also when you collect brochure or something like that, it is easy to
carry around.

Hyun


Joe Maimon wrote:
> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>
> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>
> - laptop and charger only
>
> - laptop with small bag
>
> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>
>

Re: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Yamasaki, Charles]

> Make sure that your two location is inter-connected directly,

Why is this required?  If you put static routes to point the remote /21 to
the upstream provider on each side wouldn't that take care of the origin AS
loop?



On 5/22/08 10:45 AM, "Hyunseog Ryu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I I were you, I will advertise as following.
> 
> /21 Original ARIN allocation
> /22 First half of ARIN allocation
> /22 second half of ARIN allocation
> 
> In this case, you will have backup /21 route just in case of filtering
> or something like that.
> But in normal case, traffic will be routed based on more specific
> routes, which are /22s.
> 
> In some case, upstream ISPs may filter based on strict filtering, which
> means all BGP prefix announcement should be matched with registered CIDR
> info including subnet size.
> In most case, upstream ISP will accept any subnet size between
> registered size (/21) and /24 size.
> 
> Because of load sharing and traffic engineering requirement, it is easy
> to handle those situation with /22 size.
> 
> Make sure that your two location is inter-connected directly, and have
> enough capacity when each of location upstream connection goes down.
> 
> 
> Hyun
> 
> 
> ames Kelty wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I'm looking for an opinion from the group. I have an ARIN /21
>> assignment and a new requirement for a second data center. Rather than
>> ask for another assignment, I would like to advertise one /22 from one
>> location and the other /22 from the second location both with the same
>> asn. My apps will work that way, so I don't have an issue internally,
>> but I'm looking for a broader base opinion on that.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot!
>> 
>> -James
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Charles Yamasaki
Manager Network Engineering
Move Inc.
30700 Russell Ranch Rd
Westlake Village, CA 91362
O:   805.557.3829
M:  805.603.6492
F:   805.557.3870

Re: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Hyunseog Ryu]

What if upstream connection - Internet - goes down?
If you have fully redundant system implemented from both locations, so
you don't need another site for operation,
that will be fine.
But in normal situation, there is some dependency.
Also, if you have massive backup and/or data transaction between two
location,
it may good to have inter-connection - private link - between both location.

Origin AS loop can be resolved by BGP configuration feature, or putting
default route back to upstream connection. So probably that's not an
issue at all.

Real issue will be data/operation dependency between two locations such
as DNS server IP address and things like that.

If you are 100% sure about that there is no dependency between two
locations, you may omit the requirement for inter-connection between two
locations.

Hyun



Yamasaki, Charles wrote:
>> Make sure that your two location is inter-connected directly,
>> 
>
> Why is this required?  If you put static routes to point the remote /21 to
> the upstream provider on each side wouldn't that take care of the origin AS
> loop?
>
>
>
> On 5/22/08 10:45 AM, "Hyunseog Ryu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I I were you, I will advertise as following.
>>
>> /21 Original ARIN allocation
>> /22 First half of ARIN allocation
>> /22 second half of ARIN allocation
>>
>> In this case, you will have backup /21 route just in case of filtering
>> or something like that.
>> But in normal case, traffic will be routed based on more specific
>> routes, which are /22s.
>>
>> In some case, upstream ISPs may filter based on strict filtering, which
>> means all BGP prefix announcement should be matched with registered CIDR
>> info including subnet size.
>> In most case, upstream ISP will accept any subnet size between
>> registered size (/21) and /24 size.
>>
>> Because of load sharing and traffic engineering requirement, it is easy
>> to handle those situation with /22 size.
>>
>> Make sure that your two location is inter-connected directly, and have
>> enough capacity when each of location upstream connection goes down.
>>
>>
>> Hyun
>>
>>
>> ames Kelty wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for an opinion from the group. I have an ARIN /21
>>> assignment and a new requirement for a second data center. Rather than
>>> ask for another assignment, I would like to advertise one /22 from one
>>> location and the other /22 from the second location both with the same
>>> asn. My apps will work that way, so I don't have an issue internally,
>>> but I'm looking for a broader base opinion on that.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> 
>
> Charles Yamasaki
> Manager Network Engineering
> Move Inc.
> 30700 Russell Ranch Rd
> Westlake Village, CA 91362
> O:   805.557.3829
> M:  805.603.6492
> F:   805.557.3870
>
>
>
>
>   

Internet Week NY Jun 2 - Jun 9

[WWWhatsup]

>

Please note that Internet Week NY coincides with the NANOG meet.

Some events may be of interest: http://www.internetweekny.com/schedule/list




Joly MacFie

http://isoc-ny.org 

Re: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Joe Maimon]

Yamasaki, Charles wrote:

Make sure that your two location is inter-connected directly,


Why is this required?  If you put static routes to point the remote /21 to
the upstream provider on each side wouldn't that take care of the origin AS
loop?


Origin AS is easily handled by the allow-as-in neighbor command and 
better replaced with more flexible as-path and prefix-lists in route-maps.


The interconnection is required to be able to advertise the entire space 
as a "covering" prefix at both sites.


Doing that without interconnectivity and using your static route idea 
would generate routing loops.

Re: Splitting ARIN assignment

[Yamasaki, Charles]

Sorry, typo'd the /21.  He wants to carve into /22.


On 5/22/08 11:45 AM, "Joe Maimon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> Yamasaki, Charles wrote:
>>> Make sure that your two location is inter-connected directly,
>> 
>> Why is this required?  If you put static routes to point the remote /21 to
>> the upstream provider on each side wouldn't that take care of the origin AS
>> loop?
> 
> Origin AS is easily handled by the allow-as-in neighbor command and
> better replaced with more flexible as-path and prefix-lists in route-maps.
> 
> The interconnection is required to be able to advertise the entire space
> as a "covering" prefix at both sites.
> 
> Doing that without interconnectivity and using your static route idea
> would generate routing loops.

Charles Yamasaki
Manager Network Engineering
Move Inc.
30700 Russell Ranch Rd
Westlake Village, CA 91362
O:   805.557.3829
M:  805.603.6492
F:   805.557.3870

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Kevin Oberman]

> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:07:48 -0400
> From: "Paul Wall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
> 
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.

I think some of this is seriously exaggerated. The white earbud thing is
pretty silly these days as about half the folks on the subway seem to be
wearing them. (Watch out if you have fancy Bose buds, though.)

Leaving a backpack unattended ANYWHERE is a really bad idea. A lock is
of limited value, but, in a room full of laptops, it makes yours less
attractive. If you are just going between your room and te meeting in
the hotel, off-load as much as possible. The backpack gets heavy after a
while. Don't take it to lunch. Drop it in your room.

Marriott has always provided pads and pens at the meeting, although I
prefer my own pen and keep most notes on my laptop.

As far as safety, the parts in lower Manhattan and Brooklyn Heights
where we will mostly be is safer than some other places NANOG has
met. (I won't get specific as I don't want to inspire people from those
places to fill my mailbox with defenses.) Be careful. Don't wander alone
after dark. Common sense, an uncommon thing, is your best guide.
-- 
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Phone: +1 510 486-8634
Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4  EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751


> Paul
> 
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
> >
> > What are your recommendation regarding gear?
> >
> > - laptop and charger only
> >
> > - laptop with small bag
> >
> > - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> 


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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Martin Hannigan]

We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao Paolo. I think 
my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in New York City. :).

Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross Bronx 
Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour. 

-M<



- Original Message -
From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
is a good plan.

Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
Park.

Paul

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>
> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>
> - laptop and charger only
>
> - laptop with small bag
>
> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[David Diaz]

Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.

I gave basic smart tips for any big city.  Just wear a Telx hat and  
you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from  
the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get  
'about it



Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!

David
The Host of Nanog43 in The City!



On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:



We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao  
Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in  
New York City. :).


Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross  
Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.


-M<



- Original Message -
From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
is a good plan.

Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
Park.

Paul

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Looking for some advice for a first-timer.

What are your recommendation regarding gear?

- laptop and charger only

- laptop with small bag

- the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing

Thanks,

Joe

RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Rod Beck]

I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of the 
safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement. 

New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle, Los 
Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia. 

http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/chapter09_files/sheet002.htm

I refuse to go to NANOG events in Florida - now there is a dangerous place as 
well as a foreign country ...

Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829. 
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert 
Einstein. 



-Original Message-
From: David Diaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 9:13 PM
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
 
Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.

I gave basic smart tips for any big city.  Just wear a Telx hat and  
you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from  
the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get  
'about it


Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!

David
The Host of Nanog43 in The City!



On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

>
> We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao  
> Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in  
> New York City. :).
>
> Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross  
> Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
>
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>>
>> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>>
>> - laptop and charger only
>>
>> - laptop with small bag
>>
>> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Martin Hannigan]

Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)




- Original Message -
From: David Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.

I gave basic smart tips for any big city.  Just wear a Telx hat and  
you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from  
the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get  
'about it


Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!

David
The Host of Nanog43 in The City!



On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

>
> We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao  
> Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in  
> New York City. :).
>
> Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross  
> Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
>
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>>
>> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>>
>> - laptop and charger only
>>
>> - laptop with small bag
>>
>> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Chris McDonald]

a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.







On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
>
> Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: David Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Martin Hannigan
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.
>
> I gave basic smart tips for any big city.  Just wear a Telx hat and
> you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
> the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
> 'about it
>
>
> Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!
>
> David
> The Host of Nanog43 in The City!
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
> >
> > We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> > Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> > New York City. :).
> >
> > Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> > Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
> >
> > -M<
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> > Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> > Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >
> > I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> > is a good plan.
> >
> > Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> > exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> > printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> > Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> > to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> > Park.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
> >>
> >> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
> >>
> >> - laptop and charger only
> >>
> >> - laptop with small bag
> >>
> >> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

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| a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc
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|> Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)

Nothing to be afraid of in NYC especially with NANOG coming to town
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RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Rod Beck]

There is no disagreement between Mr. Rubenstein and myself. 

:)

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Einstein. 



-Original Message-
From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 5/22/2008 10:06 PM
To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
 
> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one
of
> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.

While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
like saying "all routers are cisco"

There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be
overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a
herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem. 


> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.

Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
valid.

RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Alex Rubenstein]

> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of
> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.

While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
like saying "all routers are cisco"

There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly
concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct,
there shouldn't be a problem. 


> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.

Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
valid.

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Chip Marshall]

On May 22, 2008, Rod Beck sent me the following:
> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one
> of the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
> 
> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
> 
> http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/chapter09_files/sheet002.htm
> 
> I refuse to go to NANOG events in Florida - now there is a dangerous
> place as well as a foreign country ...

Interesting data, but potentially skewed due to population differences.
New York City's metropolitan area population is 18,818,536, whereas
Miami is only 5,919,036.

Miami:  7116.2 per 100,000 = 0.071162 crimes per person
0.071162 * 5919036 = 421,210.44 crimes

NYC:2771.0 per 100,000 = 0.02771 crimes per person
0.02771 * 18818536 = 521,461.63 crimes

So it's not really that there is less crime, there's just less chance of
a particular person being the perpetrator or victim.

Also, my population numbers are based on 2006 data provided by
Wikipedia, and therefore are not to be trusted.

-- 
Chip Marshall
System Administrator
Dynamic Network Services, Inc.
http://www.dyndns.com/


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Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Martin Hannigan]

Seriously, Dave was taken out of context by the usual suspects.  Brooklyn / NYC 
is pretty OK. 

Oh, ObOp! Thanks a ton, Telx! 



- Original Message -
From: Chris McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thu May 22 21:00:15 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.








On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)




- Original Message -
From: David Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin Hannigan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 

Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.

I gave basic smart tips for any big city.  Just wear a Telx hat and
you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
'about it


Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!

David
The Host of Nanog43 in The City!



On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

>
> We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> New York City. :).
>
> Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>
> -M<
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>
> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> is a good plan.
>
> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> Park.
>
> Paul
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>>
>> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>>
>> - laptop and charger only
>>
>> - laptop with small bag
>>
>> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Jay R. Ashworth]

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Lynda wrote:
> One of the things that makes me popular is that I carry a PowerSquid 
> (one of the best inventions *evaire*), just in case.

They're nice, but the little 8-outlet (5 + 3-transformer) yellow and
black thing from Walmart is just as useful, and only 8 bucks.  With
cable management.
-- j
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Designer The Things I Think   RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24
St Petersburg FL USA  http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274

 Those who cast the vote decide nothing.
 Those who count the vote decide everything.
   -- (Joseph Stalin)

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Christian]

the area in BKLYN where the Mariott is fine, its a one of the better
neighborhoods - i believe its Brooklyn Heights, though can be confused with
DUMBO and downtown brooklyn as they are all adjacent

/christian

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Alex Rubenstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of
> > the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
>
> While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
> like saying "all routers are cisco"
>
> There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
> Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly
> concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding
> instinct,
> there shouldn't be a problem.
>
>
> > New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
> > Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
>
> Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
> valid.
>
>
>
>

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Valdis . Kletnieks]

On Thu, 22 May 2008 17:10:29 EDT, Alex Rubenstein said:

> Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
> valid.



That's not a router.  Now *that's* a router...



:)


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RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Rod Beck]

Now that we have television shows like Miami Vice (which are available here in 
Paris in French), I expect the American public to be less biased in their views 
of New York. It is all a question of what cities are used as the background for 
the crime shows. :)

Roderick S. Beck

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Hyunseog Ryu]

Probably if you stick to common sense, it will be o.k.
If you see broken windows and/or lots of graffiti in the wall,
probably I wouldn't go there. ^>^

Since you will be seeing more people in NYC area,
you may get some stress to see lots of people,
but overall it's not that bad.
Just stick to your instinct, and common sense.

Hyun


Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is one of
>> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
>> 
>
> While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is safe" is
> like saying "all routers are cisco"
>
> There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know how the
> Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be overly
> concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a herding instinct,
> there shouldn't be a problem. 
>
>
>   
>> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, Seattle,
>> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
>> 
>
> Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah CCW is
> valid.
>
>
>
>
>
>   

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[andrew young]

Once you all get there, you will realize how awesome this place is.
There is nothing to be afraid. Just remember, carry around an unlimited
metrocard and a subway map. Taking cabs everything can get expensive. 

for those that are planning to spend the weekend in NYC, be sure to
check out http://www.bigapplebbq.org/ its huge every year. 
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On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 21:16 +, Martin Hannigan wrote:

> Seriously, Dave was taken out of context by the usual suspects.  Brooklyn / 
> NYC is pretty OK. 
> 
> Oh, ObOp! Thanks a ton, Telx! 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Martin Hannigan
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
> Sent: Thu May 22 21:00:15 2008
> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> 
> a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   - Original Message -
>   From: David Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: Martin Hannigan
>   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
> 
>   Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
>   Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>   
>   Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.
>   
>   I gave basic smart tips for any big city.  Just wear a Telx hat and
>   you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
>   the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
>   'about it
>   
>   
>   Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!
>   
>   David
>   The Host of Nanog43 in The City!
>   
>   
>   
>   On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>   
>   >
>   > We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
>   > Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
>   > New York City. :).
>   >
>   > Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross
>   > Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>   >
>   > -M<
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > - Original Message -
>   > From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
>   > Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
>   > Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>   >
>   > I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
>   > is a good plan.
>   >
>   > Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
>   > exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
>   > printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
>   > Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
>   > to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
>   > Park.
>   >
>   > Paul
>   >
>   > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   >> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>   >>
>   >> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>   >>
>   >> - laptop and charger only
>   >>
>   >> - laptop with small bag
>   >>
>   >> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>   >>
>   >> Thanks,
>   >>
>   >> Joe
>   >>
>   >>
>   >
>   
>   
> 
> 

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Hyunseog Ryu]

One more thing...
Rent-car may be not a good idea.
Sometimes it's hard to find the parking spot. ^.^
As Andrew said, it will be better to use public transportations such as
cab, bus, and sub-way.
It may take more time, but sometimes the driving style of New Yorker may
be a little bit offensive, and finding parking lot may be a challenge. :-)
If you are one of owls, there are plenty of places you can visit in
night/early morning when you are not in the mood for sleeping ^>^

Hyun


andrew young wrote:
> Once you all get there, you will realize how awesome this place is.
> There is nothing to be afraid. Just remember, carry around an unlimited
> metrocard and a subway map. Taking cabs everything can get expensive. 
>
> for those that are planning to spend the weekend in NYC, be sure to
> check out http://www.bigapplebbq.org/ its huge every year. 
> -  
> 
> Andrew Young
> Webair Internet Development, Inc
> Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1
> FAX: 516.938.5100
> http://www.webair.com
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>
> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 21:16 +, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
>   
>> Seriously, Dave was taken out of context by the usual suspects.  Brooklyn / 
>> NYC is pretty OK. 
>>
>> Oh, ObOp! Thanks a ton, Telx! 
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Chris McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Martin Hannigan
>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
>> Sent: Thu May 22 21:00:15 2008
>> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>>
>> a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc knowledge.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: David Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  To: Martin Hannigan
>>  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
>> 
>>  Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
>>  Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>>  
>>  Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.
>>  
>>  I gave basic smart tips for any big city.  Just wear a Telx hat and
>>  you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
>>  the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
>>  'about it
>>  
>>  
>>  Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!
>>  
>>  David
>>  The Host of Nanog43 in The City!
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>>  
>>  >
>>  > We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
>>  > Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
>>  > New York City. :).
>>  >
>>  > Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross
>>  > Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
>>  >
>>  > -M<
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > - Original Message -
>>  > From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  > To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  > Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
>>  > Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
>>  > Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>>  >
>>  > I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
>>  > is a good plan.
>>  >
>>  > Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
>>  > exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
>>  > printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
>>  > Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
>>  > to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
>>  > Park.
>>  >
>>  > Paul
>>  >
>>  > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  >> Looking for some advice for a first-timer.
>>  >>
>>  >> What are your recommendation regarding gear?
>>  >>
>>  >> - laptop and charger only
>>  >>
>>  >> - laptop with small bag
>>  >>
>>  >> - the whole normal kit&caboodle, wheeled backpack thing
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks,
>>  >>
>>  >> Joe
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  
>>  
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: Hughes Network

[Jim Popovitch]

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Jason J. W. Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that the [NANOG] prefix has been missing
> intermittently from the list traffic over the last couple of days?

This was planned, and then announced approx 5 days ago.  You are
subscribed to nanog-announce, right? ;-)

-Jim P.

Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[andrew young]

some useful links for getting around NYC using public transportation: 

http://www.hopstop.com/

http://www.mta.info/mta/maps.htm

http://tripplanner.mta.info/


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On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 16:41 -0500, Hyunseog Ryu wrote:

> One more thing...
> Rent-car may be not a good idea.
> Sometimes it's hard to find the parking spot. ^.^
> As Andrew said, it will be better to use public transportations such as
> cab, bus, and sub-way.
> It may take more time, but sometimes the driving style of New Yorker may
> be a little bit offensive, and finding parking lot may be a challenge. :-)
> If you are one of owls, there are plenty of places you can visit in
> night/early morning when you are not in the mood for sleeping ^>^
> 
> Hyun
> 
> 
> andrew young wrote:
> > Once you all get there, you will realize how awesome this place is.
> > There is nothing to be afraid. Just remember, carry around an unlimited
> > metrocard and a subway map. Taking cabs everything can get expensive. 
> >
> > for those that are planning to spend the weekend in NYC, be sure to
> > check out http://www.bigapplebbq.org/ its huge every year. 
> > -  
> > 
> > Andrew Young
> > Webair Internet Development, Inc
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> > FAX: 516.938.5100
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> >
> > On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 21:16 +, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Seriously, Dave was taken out of context by the usual suspects.  Brooklyn 
> >> / NYC is pretty OK. 
> >>
> >> Oh, ObOp! Thanks a ton, Telx! 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Chris McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: Martin Hannigan
> >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
> >> 
> >> Sent: Thu May 22 21:00:15 2008
> >> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >>
> >> a glock 27 takes the same magazine as a glock 22. that's good nyc 
> >> knowledge.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Heheh. Good tip. Where do we get our shields on Sunday? :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: David Diaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: Martin Hannigan
> >>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; nanog@nanog.org 
> >> 
> >>Sent: Thu May 22 20:13:29 2008
> >>Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >>
> >>Dave as in David D has spent TOO much time in NY.
> >>
> >>I gave basic smart tips for any big city.  Just wear a Telx hat and
> >>you are safe. That is like the crips there in NY. Lots of respect from
> >>the gangs. Otherwise no one can make bets with their bookie, fo'get
> >>'about it
> >>
> >>
> >>Enjoy your travels everyone! Come early, stay long, network with all!
> >>
> >>David
> >>The Host of Nanog43 in The City!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On May 22, 2008, at 3:57 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> We're in the Marriot, not a crack house. And it's NYC, not Sao
> >>> Paolo. I think my friend Dave needs to actually spend some time in
> >>> New York City. :).
> >>>
> >>> Don't buy any bridges.  And if you're driving, stay off the cross
> >>> Bronx Expresseway. It's moidah during rush hour.
> >>>
> >>> -M<
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message -
> >>> From: Paul Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: Joe Maimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
> >>> Sent: Thu May 22 18:07:48 2008
> >>> Subject: Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
> >>>
> >>> I've not been to the conference myself, but I hear laptop and charger
> >>> is a good plan.
> >>>
> >>> Following the advice of our host, David Diaz (Telx), care should be
> >>> exercised to make sure your laptop bag does not have the text "LAPTOP"
> >>> printed on it, as that would make it a target for thieves.
> >>> Additionally, don't wear white iPod earbuds, as that will likely lead
> >>> to you getting mugged on the subway, or zapped by lightning in Central
> >>> Park.
> >>>
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 22, 2008

RE: Hughes Network

[Jason J. W. Williams]

Guess I missed it. I remember the announcement for the move from
merit.edu to nanog.org.

-J

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-Original Message-
From: Jim Popovitch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:47 PM
To: nanog
Subject: Re: Hughes Network

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Jason J. W. Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that the [NANOG] prefix has been missing
> intermittently from the list traffic over the last couple of days?

This was planned, and then announced approx 5 days ago.  You are
subscribed to nanog-announce, right? ;-)

-Jim P.

!SIG:4835ea2f71591632796761!

RE: Hughes Network

[Jason J. W. Williams]

Actually, I'm not subscribed to nanog-announce.

-J

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-Original Message-
From: Jim Popovitch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:47 PM
To: nanog
Subject: Re: Hughes Network

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Jason J. W. Williams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that the [NANOG] prefix has been missing
> intermittently from the list traffic over the last couple of days?

This was planned, and then announced approx 5 days ago.  You are
subscribed to nanog-announce, right? ;-)

-Jim P.

!SIG:4835ea2f71591632796761!

RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

[Scott Weeks]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: "Rod Beck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Now that we have television shows like Miami Vice (which are available here in 
Paris in French), I expect the American public to be less biased in their views 
of New York. It is all a question of what cities are used as the background for 
the crime shows. :)
---


Then Honolulu must seem as a crime infested city to the rest of the world.  
There have been a gazillion shows like that here.  (Hawaii 5-0, Magnum PI, 
etc.)  BTW, it's not. :-)

scott

Re: [Nanog-futures] Announce list: Re: Hughes Network

[Jim Popovitch]

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM, someone wrote:
> Add me to the list of never-saw-that. In addition, I just checked the
> nanog archives, and there isn't an announcement of that type in the
> archives.

Below is the full email, with headers, from Monday.  Hopefully it will
put this issue to rest but somehow I doubt that. ;-)

-Jim P.

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Hi everyone,

Following the discussion on nanog-futures, we'd like to let you all know
that the [NANOG] in the subject line and the three extra info lines
mailman appends will be dropped from all future messages going to the
NANOG list, starting in around 24 hours from now.

If any of you have you changed your  e-mail filtering
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Re: [Nanog-futures] Announce list: Re: Hughes Network

[James R. Cutler]

The announcement was made to nanog-announce, but not to nanog. I would  
expect that there are scads more readers of nanog than of nanog  
announce.


For some, that could cause unexpected results, especially with the 24  
hour notice.


Corroborative detail below. (Oops, top posting)

Regards.

On May 22, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote:


On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM, someone wrote:

Add me to the list of never-saw-that. In addition, I just checked the
nanog archives, and there isn't an announcement of that type in the
archives.


Below is the full email, with headers, from Monday.  Hopefully it will
put this issue to rest but somehow I doubt that. ;-)

-Jim P.

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