Re: now POP ...
On Sun, November 9, 2014 11:36 pm, DaleKelly wrote: > On 11/10/2014 12:20 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: >> I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3 >> configuration for getmail just in case you are interested: > > thanks, I'll archive this in case I can't get the POP in mutt to work, > especially want to leave a copy of the messages on the server That is the function of the "delete" command; simply specify "delete=false'. Getmail is a marvelous package which provides excellent control, such as limiting the number of messages downloaded in a single session. And getmail can log each transaction (which is to say, each message downloaded). Also, getmail can pass downloaded messages to maildrop for sorting. RLH
Re: now POP ...
On Mon, November 10, 2014 4:24 am, Russell Harris wrote: > On Sun, November 9, 2014 11:36 pm, DaleKelly wrote: > >> On 11/10/2014 12:20 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote: >> >> >>> On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: >>> I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3 >>> configuration for getmail just in case you are interested: >> >> thanks, I'll archive this in case I can't get the POP in mutt to work, >> especially want to leave a copy of the messages on the server > > That is the function of the "delete" command; simply specify > "delete=false". > > > Getmail is a marvelous package which provides excellent control, such as > limiting the number of messages downloaded in a single session. And > getmail can log each transaction (which is to say, each message > downloaded). Also, getmail can pass downloaded messages to maildrop for > sorting. An additional consideration: Strive for both simplicity and reliability, and consider the difficulty of diagnostic and future expansion of functionality. And do not make the mistake of equating simplicity with a minimal number of packages. >From the standpoint of ease of maintenance and diagnostics, a collection of single-function tools often is a better solution than is a single multi-function tool; this is true of the combination of getmail and Mutt, as opposed to Mutt configured to fetch messages from a POP3 server. And the use of maildrop to categorize messages into different directories is a great time-saver, because Mutt can open only the directories (such as "mutt-users") in which you are interested at the moment, eliminating the necessity of looking at every incoming message each time you stop to check mail. RLH
address book?
how can I configure/maintain an address book? -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: address book?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:34:58AM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: > how can I configure/maintain an address book? > > -- > (my whereabouts below) > http://www.dalekelly.org/ Look in the man page for aliases. They're pretty basic but work pretty well. If you're looking for something a bit more robust check out the little brothers database (https://www.spinnaker.de/lbdb/). It supports querying multiple sources with in mutt for address book type functionality. Regards, -- Joshua Smith Lead Systems Administrator WVNET Montani Semper Liberi
Re: address book?
Check out abook in the repository. John > On 10 Nov 2014, at 14:34, DaleKelly wrote: > > how can I configure/maintain an address book? > > -- > (my whereabouts below) > http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: address book?
On 11/10/2014 08:55 AM, John Niendorf wrote: Check out abook in the repository. John On 10 Nov 2014, at 14:34, DaleKelly wrote: how can I configure/maintain an address book? -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/ already installed, how do I interface it with mutt? -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: address book?
On 11/10/2014 09:23 AM, Russell Harris wrote: Unless you have a high volume of incoming mail and you need to add the addresses to you address book, the alias capability of Mutt may be perfectly adequate. I'll look at the alias compatibility -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: address book?
* DaleKelly [11-10-14 09:22]: > On 11/10/2014 08:55 AM, John Niendorf wrote: > >Check out abook in the repository. > > > >John > > > > > >>On 10 Nov 2014, at 14:34, DaleKelly wrote: > >> > >>how can I configure/maintain an address book? > >> > >>-- > >>(my whereabouts below) > >>http://www.dalekelly.org/ > > > > > > already installed, how do I interface it with mutt? Honestly, from a *long* time linux user... man abook -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: address book?
On Mon, November 10, 2014 7:34 am, DaleKelly wrote: > how can I configure/maintain an address book? The first thing to do whenever you have a question such as that is to submit to Google (or whatever search engine you prefer) the query "mutt address book". Then look over the list of links which the search engine returns and click and click on the links which appear most promising. My own search with Google just now shows several approaches, including the "aliases" capability of mutt and a package called "abook". The second thing to do is look at the Mutt documentation. A search for "mutt manual address book" turns up several links. Once you have gained a bit of perspective from your own searching, then you are ready to ask the list for advice concerning a particular approach, or for advice as to which approach to take. Much depends upon how many addresses you need to manage and how the addresses are obtained. When you ask the mutt-users list for help, you need to mention such details. Unless you have a high volume of incoming mail and you need to add the addresses to you address book, the alias capability of Mutt may be perfectly adequate. But if you have a high volume of email and many addresses, you may need to utilize a database package to manage the address book. RLH
Re: address book?
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:08:03AM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:08:03 -0500 > From: DaleKelly > To: John Niendorf > CC: "mutt-users@mutt.org" > Subject: Re: address book? > already installed, how do I interface it with mutt? in .muttrc: macro index I "!abook\n" macro pager I "!abook\n" -- Gerard ___ *** * Created with "mutt 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u2" * * under Debian Linux WHEEZY version 7.6 * * Registered Linux User #388243 * * https://Linuxcounter.net * ***
Re: address book?
On 11/10/2014 09:23 AM, Russell Harris wrote: The first thing to do whenever you have a question such as that is to submit to Google (or whatever search engine you prefer) the query "mutt address book". Then look over the list of links which the search engine returns and click and click on the links which appear most promising. My own search with Google just now shows several approaches, including the "aliases" capability of mutt and a package called "abook". The second thing to do is look at the Mutt documentation. A search for "mutt manual address book" turns up several links. Once you have gained a bit of perspective from your own searching, then you are ready to ask the list for advice concerning a particular approach, or for advice as to which approach to take. I try to do this, but I am kind of a hack, short attention span, I'm over 50, sometimes its just as easy to search and ask at the same time I remember about 20 years ago on Unix there were some HOWTO formatted documentations coming around, whatever happened to this format in documentation?, man pages aren't that easy for me I'll try harder, thanks, it might extend my attention span -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: address book?
On 11/10/2014 09:24 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: Honestly, from a*long* time linux user... man abook I'll try, about 20 years ago on Unix they were doing some HOWTO format documentation on things you wanted to do, not much around any more -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: address book?
On 11/10/2014 10:18 AM, Gerard ROBIN wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:08:03AM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:08:03 -0500 From: DaleKelly To: John Niendorf CC: "mutt-users@mutt.org" Subject: Re: address book? already installed, how do I interface it with mutt? in .muttrc: macro index I "!abook\n" macro pager I "!abook\n" THANKS honorable guru -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: address book?
* DaleKelly [11-10-14 14:53]: > On 11/10/2014 09:24 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > >Honestly, from a*long* time linux user... > > > >man abook > > I'll try, about 20 years ago on Unix they were doing some HOWTO > format documentation on things you wanted to do, not much around any > more Then stop complaining about age, we all endeavour to age and you are quite young. There are still howto's and much information on google. You are only making excuses or "just taking the LAZY way" utilizing others time w/o regard for them. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: address book?
On 11/10/2014 10:18 AM, Gerard ROBIN wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 09:08:03AM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:08:03 -0500 From: DaleKelly To: John Niendorf CC: "mutt-users@mutt.org" Subject: Re: address book? already installed, how do I interface it with mutt? in .muttrc: macro index I "!abook\n" macro pager I "!abook\n" when I press I in mutt, I get an empty abook, a put my addresses in abook what can I do to get the populated one instead? how do you select and send? -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: address book?
On 11/10/2014 03:31 PM, DaleKelly wrote: when I press I in mutt, I get an empty abook, a put my addresses in abook what can I do to get the populated one instead? got it, in mutt abook, I choose "l" to import the addressbook after I exported it using "w" from just abook, the commands are in "?" in abook thanks everyone -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
POP? (read some docs first)
read "?" on mutt read POP in Mutt docs searched Ubuntu wiki searched google I get Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server. SSL/TLS seemes to make a connection before the error comes up SMTP with SSL/TLS works fine abook is working fine "?" on my Ubuntu repository version, says "G" launches fetch-mail Ubuntu version 14.04 LTS repository Mutt 1.5.21-6.4ubuntu2 grep -v ^# /etc/Muttrc is at the bottom -- here is what I added to my Muttrc set realname="Dale" set from="d...@dalekelly.org" set smtp_url="smtps://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465" set smtp_pass="mypassword" set pop_host="pops://d...@dalekelly.org@pop.secureserver.net:995" set pop_pass="mypassword" set signature="~/.signature" macro index I "!abook\n" macro pager I "!abook\n" specifying pop_user gives me the same error, I currently have it separate (pop_port gives an error, so I put in in the pop_host) dale@dale-W3653:~$ grep -v ^# /etc/Muttrc ignore * unignore from: subject to cc date x-mailer x-url user-agent hdr_order date from to cc subject bind editor"\e"kill-word bind editor"\e" kill-word bind editor delete-char set sort=threads unset bounce_delivered set mixmaster="mixmaster-filter" set ssl_ca_certificates_file="/etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt" macro index \eb "~b " "search in message bodies" macro index,pager,attach,compose \cb "\ set my_pipe_decode=\$pipe_decode pipe_decode\ urlview\ set pipe_decode=\$my_pipe_decode; unset my_pipe_decode" \ "call urlview to extract URLs out of a message" macro generic,pager " zcat /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz | sensible-pager" "show Mutt documentation" macro index,pager y "?" "show incoming mailboxes list" bind browser y exit mime_lookup application/octet-stream set time_inc=250 attachments +A */.* attachments -A text/x-vcard application/pgp.* attachments -A application/x-pkcs7-.* attachments +I text/plain attachments -A message/external-body attachments -I message/external-body source /usr/lib/mutt/source-muttrc.d| set realname="Dale" set from="d...@dalekelly.org" set smtp_url="smtps://d...@dalekelly.org@smtpout.secureserver.net:465" set smtp_pass="mypassword" set pop_host="pops://pop.secureserver.net:995" set pop_user="d...@dalekelly.org" set pop_pass="mypassword" set signature="~/.signature" macro index I "!abook\n" macro pager I "!abook\n" -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: POP? (read some docs first)
On 11/10/2014 05:58 PM, DaleKelly wrote: Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server. APOP authentication failed. proceeds the above error although it works!!! don't like errors, any help appreciated much I'll write a full HOWTO on Ubuntu Mutt on my website below and post it to the mailing list and usenet group thanks again, I'm off to bother the slrn folk now, already got a version of ircii running, when slrn is done I can shut Thunderbird down -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: POP? (read some docs first)
On Mon, November 10, 2014 5:29 pm, DaleKelly wrote: > On 11/10/2014 05:58 PM, DaleKelly wrote: > >> Login failed. Command USER is not supported by server. >> > > APOP authentication failed. > proceeds the above error > > although it works!!! > > don't like errors, any help appreciated much If I recall correctly, POP interface was added to Mutt as an afterthought. A search on "mutt retrieve pop" reveals that others have found Mutt in the role of retrieving messages from a POP server to be problematic. But why waste time with a Mutt function which is questionable, when a good POP solution is available in getmail? Switch to getmail and be done with it. getmail knows how to retrieve mail from most types of mail server. getmail is reliable. And getmail can provide a log of each transaction; this facilitates diagnostics. RLH
Re: now POP ...
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 04:24:33AM -0600, Russell Harris wrote: > On Sun, November 9, 2014 11:36 pm, DaleKelly wrote: > > On 11/10/2014 12:20 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:54:19PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: > >> I use getmail [1] to obtain what you wrote above. Sample pop3 > >> configuration for getmail just in case you are interested: > > > > thanks, I'll archive this in case I can't get the POP in mutt to work, > > especially want to leave a copy of the messages on the server > > That is the function of the "delete" command; simply specify "delete=false'. > > Getmail is a marvelous package which provides excellent control, such as > limiting the number of messages downloaded in a single session. And > getmail can log each transaction (which is to say, each message > downloaded). Also, getmail can pass downloaded messages to maildrop for > sorting. As does fetchmail. :) -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X
Re: Now Pop...
On Mon, November 10, 2014 10:25 pm, beni wrote: > hello, > > thank you for your answers regarding mutt and pop3 mail in mutt.user, > they've given me at least a chance of getting everything working that i > need to get going. :) > > i'm halfway there (i can get things from my ISP, but i haven't figured out > exim4 to my ISP connection yet). > > one step at a time... What distribution are you running? In Debian, the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) is Exim4; your distribution may use Sendmail or some other MTA. The Debian maintainer of Mutt compiles Mutt to hand outgoing messages to Exim4 for transmission; no user configuration of Mutt is needed for this function. During installation (or afterward, using "dpkg-reconfigure exim4.config"), one of the details which you as the user specify is whether to use a "smarthost" for outgoing mail. The smarthost typically is the SMTP server of your ISP. If you specify that a smarthost is to be used, the reconfiguration dialogue asks you to specify the URL of the smarthost -- something such as "smtp.myisp.com". And that should be all that is required to configure the system for sending mail. RLH
