Re: People that CC mailing lists

2013-02-17 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* s. keeling :
> Incoming from Alexander Dahl:
> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:51:54AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
> > > But dumbing things down also causes problems.  People should learn
> > > some social graces.  Email is one of the basic forms of communication
> > > in our new electronic world.  I think this facade does them no favors.
> > 
> > This would mean to convince them willingly put time in understanding
> > mailing lists, choose a sophisticated MUA with reply to list feature
> > or check and probably change To/Cc in each and every mail. Good luck
> > with this. I stay with accepting there are dumb people (no offense)
> > and am happy if they use e-mail at all.
> 
> Roger that.  The mortals I know think email's old-school/obsolete.
> They consider it hard to use, their inboxes are full of UCE (or

If you use http://automx.org setting up a new account is a matter of seconds.
And as for UCE: You get what you pay for. Go to freemail providers and, well,
judge for yourself. Keeping UCE out of mailboxes is no rocket science. 

> worse), and it seems my sister receives my multi-paragraph replies to
> her questions on her iPhone, which only displays the first one or two
> lines of them.  Great.

If SMSes were 2k characters long it would be the same. That's a limitiation
introduced by device. I - personally - still believe the only thing these
devices are good at is transmitting and receiving voice aka phone calls.


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RE Pattern Problem in Macro

2013-02-17 Thread James Griffin
Hi

For each folder-hook I have bound  to a macro that is supposed to
archive mail based on its score, which in turn is defined by its ages in
terms of date-received.

I cannot get the pattern to recurse into collapsed threads. Here is what
I have so far but I have tried so many different combinations in the
macro and at the index view by trying to tag messages manually. None of
my patterns work as intended. I'm now totally stuck:


folder-hook +.mutt '\
macro index  "'~n0-30 | ~v 
~n0-30'+.archive/.mutt" 
"Archive Old Messages" ;\
...
'

I understand the ~v pattern will get messages that are part of a
collapsed thread but it doesn't seem to work at all. I think it's
something to do with incorrect logical grouping or quoting or both, but
I can't seem to get it right.

You should be able to see from the example macro what I'm trying to
achieve, would someone mind giving me some hints/tips on what is wrong
with it and how I can tag messages recursively through collapsed threads
so they can be archived.

Many thanks. Jamie

PS: I left the macro line in one full line in my editor, not sure how it
will display. I didn't want to split it up in case it made it more
difficult to read.

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Re: RE Pattern Problem in Macro

2013-02-17 Thread James Griffin
- James Griffin  [2013-02-17 10:46:21 +] - :

...

Sorry, I think I have found a way around it: to get the macro to 
the view to messages based on the score first; then tag them all; then
archive them. The  function seems to uncollapse threads so It
would then be easier and I could expand it further by having a macro for
each score range that way.

Still confused about why I couldn't get the pattern to recursively tag
messages in collapsed threads though :-/


Re: People that CC mailing lists

2013-02-17 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Patrick Ben Koetter:
> * s. keeling :
> > 
> > Roger that.  The mortals I know think email's old-school/obsolete.
> > They consider it hard to use, their inboxes are full of UCE (or
> 
> If you use http://automx.org setting up a new account is a matter of

That looks cool, but you misunderstood me. *They consider email itself
hard to use!*  I've been pointing some of my geeky friends at mutt for
years, and even they don't get it.  How hard is it to check your
mailbox once a day?  Apparently too hard for them.  mutt?  Rocket
science!  mutt's always been drop dead simple and easy to train for
me.  For other people, not so much.  No, I don't get it either.

> seconds.  And as for UCE: You get what you pay for. Go to freemail
> providers and, well, judge for yourself. Keeping UCE out of
> mailboxes is no rocket science.

I've spent a few months testing a free account at mail.com and it's
worked fine for me.  3-5 UCE per week, and it just works.  I believe
they used to be called AOL.  :-|  Huh.

I used to pop mail from my ISP and filter with procmail.  Now, I'm
trying to figure out how to use imapfilter in its place instead.

> introduced by device. I - personally - still believe the only thing
> these devices are good at is transmitting and receiving voice aka
> phone calls.

ACK.


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Re: People that CC mailing lists

2013-02-17 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* s. keeling :
> Incoming from Patrick Ben Koetter:
> > * s. keeling :
> > > 
> > > Roger that.  The mortals I know think email's old-school/obsolete.
> > > They consider it hard to use, their inboxes are full of UCE (or
> > 
> > If you use http://automx.org setting up a new account is a matter of
> 
> That looks cool, but you misunderstood me. *They consider email itself
> hard to use!*  I've been pointing some of my geeky friends at mutt for
> years, and even they don't get it.  How hard is it to check your
> mailbox once a day?  Apparently too hard for them.  mutt?  Rocket
> science!  mutt's always been drop dead simple and easy to train for
> me.  For other people, not so much.  No, I don't get it either.

mutt, like vi and other command line programs, have an invisible user
interface. One needs to internalize the interface in order to use it
efficiently. If takes lots of time to learn such an interface and to become
productive. Anyone who went that road knows the reward great. There's nothing
that distracts you. You can focus and all switches are within reach of a few
finger presses. No need to leave the keyboard and use your eyes to find the
right button. You think it and you can type it. No need to check with the
eyes.

But it is hard to get there and I respect anyone unwilling to go that way.

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