Re: New mail notify with Maildir "spools"?

[Nicolas Rachinsky]

* On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 10:16:46PM +0100,
* Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> »Nicolas Rachinsky« sagte am 2002-03-11 um 01:03:16 +0100 :
> > What does ? show? Somebody asked this question
> 
> Hm, just one directory.  Changing to just "=" gives me all the
> directories.
> 
> Well, seems like it fixed my problem.  Thanks!  Also thanks for, uhm,
> "das Du so lange nachgebohrt hast" ;)

No problem. I'm glad I was able to help.

Nicolas

Re: orange editor -> vim + highlight search

[Sven Guckes]

* Michael Tatge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020311 13:12]:
> Todd Kokoszka muttered:
> > I happily use vi as my editor with mutt. However, when I started using
> > commands like d/. or c/; and the like (changing or deleting a line
> > until a specific character), my vi display under mutt changed.
> > Each character that I chose became highlighted in orange.
> Don't know about vi, but in vim set nohlsearch.

yup - that's probably it.

Todd - search for any character within your vi ("/.") -
is everything red/orange now?  If so then :set nohls".
And it's quite probably Vim - check with ":version".

Sven

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removing 'move read' prompt and deleting to a folder

[Scott]

Hi all,
I'm sure these two are easy to fix:
1) How can I turn off the prompt to move read mail into mbox when I quit mutt?  I like 
all my mail to stay in /var/mail so I can retrieve it later via POP.  I assume if 
there is a way then you can also do the same for the purge deleted prompt?

2) Instead of actually deleting mail marked with 'D', is there a way to move deleted 
mail to another folder?  Without tagging and copying?  (ie. go through the normal 
deletion/puge process but have mutt move the mail instead of purging).

Pls. replay to me personally as I am not subscribed to this list.

TIA,
Scott
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Re: orange editor

[Ben Logan]

On Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 12:13:07PM +0100, Todd Kokoszka wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I happily use Vi for my editing with Mutt, but I have a problem that
> only exists under mutt, not when I regularly run vi.
> 
> When I used the commands d/, or c/> and the like (change or delete
> to a specific character, the display of that specific character
> became orange. Today I think I did d/. and now my entire vi display,
> under mutt, is orange, except for the background.

Try

:set nohls

The hls and nohls args turn "hilight search" on and off.  That's the
only thing I can think of that would turn the background orange.

Regards,
Ben

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Re: removing 'move read' prompt and deleting to a folder

[Nicolas Rachinsky]

* On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 10:29:16PM +1100,
* Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm sure these two are easy to fix:
> 1) How can I turn off the prompt to move read mail into mbox when I quit mutt?  I 
>like all my mail to stay in /var/mail so I can retrieve it later via POP.  I assume 
>if there is a way then you can also do the same for the purge deleted prompt?

set move=no

> 2) Instead of actually deleting mail marked with 'D', is there a way to move deleted 
>mail to another folder?  Without tagging and copying?  (ie. go through the normal 
>deletion/puge process but have mutt move the mail instead of purging).

http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/

> Pls. replay to me personally as I am not subscribed to this list.

You should set your Mail-Followup-To header.
try "lists [EMAIL PROTECTED]" in your muttrc.

You should break your lines after about 70 characters.

Nicolas

mutt's cvs

[Дмитрий Сиваченко]

Hello!

Is there CVS tree of mutt available?
I wish to taste smime support which should be already in cvs.

Thanks!

Re: mutt's cvs

[Will Yardley]

??? ? wrote:
> 
> Is there CVS tree of mutt available?
> I wish to taste smime support which should be already in cvs.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mutt+cvs

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Emails to different folders

[Oliver Fuchs]

Hi,
I am using mutt on SuSe 7.3 Pro to replace my Lotus Notes distribution. I managed the 
.muttrc file and here is my question:
Am I able to move emails in different folders after they have been read? E.g. emails 
from the mutt-users-list should automatically moved in a folder like 
/home/me/mutt/user_list?
Is there a possibility to set this in my .muttrc file?

Re: Emails to different folders

[Nicolas Rachinsky]

Please DO NOT reply to random mails, except you want to confuse people
who use a threaded view. Thanks

Please break lines after about 70 characters. Thanks


* On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:15:02PM +0100,
* Oliver Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am using mutt on SuSe 7.3 Pro to replace my Lotus Notes distribution. I managed 
>the .muttrc file and here is my question:
> Am I able to move emails in different folders after they have been read? E.g. emails 
>from the mutt-users-list should automatically moved in a folder like 
>/home/me/mutt/user_list?
> Is there a possibility to set this in my .muttrc file?

It looks like "mbox-hook" could helb you, just search in the manual
for mbox-hook.

Nicolas

inadvertent undeletions

[N. Thomas]

Blah. I don't know how it happened but right now mutt somehow undeleted a
whole bunch of messages in 3 folders that I had marked as deleted. Had to go
through an delete them all again...

I'm thinking I might have inadvertently hit some keystroke that did this. Is
there a function that will do something like this?

(I'm using the maildir mbox format with $maildir_trash set.)

noble

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Re: Emails to different folders

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:24:00PM +0100, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote:
> Please DO NOT reply to random mails, except you want to confuse people
> who use a threaded view. Thanks
> 
> Please break lines after about 70 characters. Thanks
> 
> 
> * On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:15:02PM +0100,
> * Oliver Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am using mutt on SuSe 7.3 Pro to replace my Lotus Notes distribution. I managed 
>the .muttrc file and here is my question:
> > Am I able to move emails in different folders after they have been read? E.g. 
>emails from the mutt-users-list should automatically moved in a folder like 
>/home/me/mutt/user_list?
> > Is there a possibility to set this in my .muttrc file?
> 
> It looks like "mbox-hook" could helb you, just search in the manual
> for mbox-hook.
> 
> Nicolas
Thank you for the hints but still do not get it. 
I tried: mbox-hook '~C mutt-users' +mutt.users
but nothing is working. Is something wrong? I do not see how to handle it, how to move 
emails with To or Cc
to folder/mbox mutt.users.

Re: Emails to different folders

[Nicolas Rachinsky]

* On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:58:34PM +0100,
* Oliver Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:24:00PM +0100, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote:
> > * On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:15:02PM +0100,
> > * Oliver Fuchs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I am using mutt on SuSe 7.3 Pro to replace my Lotus Notes distribution. I 
>managed the .muttrc file and here is my question:
> > > Am I able to move emails in different folders after they have been read? E.g. 
>emails from the mutt-users-list should automatically moved in a folder like 
>/home/me/mutt/user_list?
> > > Is there a possibility to set this in my .muttrc file?
> > 
> > It looks like "mbox-hook" could helb you, just search in the manual
> > for mbox-hook.
> Thank you for the hints but still do not get it. 
> I tried: mbox-hook '~C mutt-users' +mutt.users
> but nothing is working. Is something wrong? I do not see how to handle it, how to 
>move emails with To or Cc
> to folder/mbox mutt.users.

mbox-hook moves all mail from one folder to another. The regex matches
the name of the first folder.

You get all your mails into one folder? I don't know a simple command
to achieve what you want. A step would perhaps be, to setup a
save-hook.

I sort the mails as soon as they are arriving via procmail, and use
afterwards mbox-hooks or save-hooks and moving them by hand, or via a
folder-hook when entering the folder.

Nicolas

Re: inadvertent undeletions

[David T-G]

Noble --

...and then N. Thomas said...
% 
% Blah. I don't know how it happened but right now mutt somehow undeleted a
% whole bunch of messages in 3 folders that I had marked as deleted. Had to go
% through an delete them all again...

Ouch :-)


% 
% I'm thinking I might have inadvertently hit some keystroke that did this. Is
% there a function that will do something like this?

Did you accidentally e'x'it out of mutt -- without a sync -- rather than
'q'uitting, perhaps?


% 
% (I'm using the maildir mbox format with $maildir_trash set.)

I dunno how the trash option works, but I imagine that it doesn't purge
the mailbox immediately...


% 
% noble
% 
% -- 
% N. Thomas
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% http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nthomas
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HTH & HAND

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Re: Emails to different folders

[David T-G]

Oliver, et al --

...and then Oliver Fuchs said...
% 
% Thank you for the hints but still do not get it. 
% I tried: mbox-hook '~C mutt-users' +mutt.users

From what I read in the manual, that won't work.  The mbox-hook command
lets you specify a place to which to move mail for each spool file, not
for various types of messages within one file.  To wit, for mail
delivered to =Mailbox, =mutt-users, =spam, and so on you might have

  mbox-hook Mailbox =Archive/Mailbox
  mbox-hook mutt-users =mutt-users.old
  mbox-hook spam /tmp/spam

or something similar so that when you exit the "Mailbox" folder and tell
mutt to go ahead and move read messages it will save in =Archive/Mailbox
and so on.


% but nothing is working. Is something wrong? I do not see how to handle it, how to 
move emails with To or Cc
% to folder/mbox mutt.users.

You don't have to do it all in one program any more now that you've left
Lotus Notes :-)

If you really can't bring yourself to use procmail, maildrop, or some
other delivery-time filter program, then fcc-save-hook is probably what
you need.  Your muttrc quickly fills with save directives, though, and
tagging can pick one save location when you might have meant another,
so (for those reasons if none other) something like procmail is really
the better tool.


HTH & HAND

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Re: inadvertent undeletions

[N. Thomas]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 09:25:10AM -0500, David T-G wrote:

> ...and then N. Thomas said...
>
> > I'm thinking I might have inadvertently hit some keystroke that did
> > this. Is there a function that will do something like this?
> 
> Did you accidentally e'x'it out of mutt -- without a sync -- rather than
> 'q'uitting, perhaps?

Possibly, but this shouldn't have had any effect as the mails were deleted
(or rather marked as trash) from a previous session.

This happened once again after I sent my initial email, feh!

> > (I'm using the maildir mbox format with $maildir_trash set.)
> 
> I dunno how the trash option works, but I imagine that it doesn't purge
> the mailbox immediately...

According to $MUTT/etc/Muttrc, the $maildir_trash only tags deleted messages
with the (T)rashed flag...but I suspect the problem was because I had set
$delete to "no".

The default for this option was ask-yes, and I didn't want mutt to keep
asking me whether or not I wanted to delete messages (because since
$maildir_trash, it wasn't a big deal). So I set it to "no".

I'm thinking this confused mutt, and so it undeleted all my deleted
messages. Anyways, I set $delete to "yes" and so far it hasn't happened
again.

I'm guessing this was my fault, as things didn't make sense the way the two
options were set...oh well.

noble

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Re: system hang, lost mutt function

[Sven Guckes]

* MuttER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020310 02:58]:
> Knute, later in this thread solved my problem.
> The .signature file was missing!

A missing signature file causes mutt 1.3.27 to hang?
Well, I just tried to verify this - but no problem!
I'll say - the problem must be something else...

> Pat Shanahan »»···»···»···   »»···  Registered Linux User #207535
> »· »··   Registered at: http://counter.li.org
> »·»···9:55pm  up  4:31,  3 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.09, 0.10

sigs looks bad when your editor shows you the TABs. ;-)

Sven

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Re: inadvertent undeletions

[David T-G]

Noble, et al --

...and then N. Thomas said...
% 
% On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 09:25:10AM -0500, David T-G wrote:
% 
% > ...and then N. Thomas said...
% >
% > > I'm thinking I might have inadvertently hit some keystroke that did
% > > this. Is there a function that will do something like this?
% > 
% > Did you accidentally e'x'it out of mutt -- without a sync -- rather than
% > 'q'uitting, perhaps?
% 
% Possibly, but this shouldn't have had any effect as the mails were deleted
% (or rather marked as trash) from a previous session.

That's interesting.  Is this an IMAP connection?  I didn't think that any
of the local mailbox formats would allow you to keep a D flag through a
sync, or that the trash flag would be any different...


% 
% This happened once again after I sent my initial email, feh!

Ick :-)


% 
% > > (I'm using the maildir mbox format with $maildir_trash set.)
% > 
% > I dunno how the trash option works, but I imagine that it doesn't purge
% > the mailbox immediately...
% 
% According to $MUTT/etc/Muttrc, the $maildir_trash only tags deleted messages
% with the (T)rashed flag...but I suspect the problem was because I had set
% $delete to "no".

Ah.  Yes, I imagine that would do it.


% 
% The default for this option was ask-yes, and I didn't want mutt to keep
% asking me whether or not I wanted to delete messages (because since
% $maildir_trash, it wasn't a big deal). So I set it to "no".

Right.


% 
% I'm thinking this confused mutt, and so it undeleted all my deleted
% messages. Anyways, I set $delete to "yes" and so far it hasn't happened
% again.

Well, you may have to particularly define "confused" as "didn't do what I
expected it to" :-)  I expect that that's what it was, though.


% 
% I'm guessing this was my fault, as things didn't make sense the way the two
% options were set...oh well.

You know the rule: expound on how and why it was unclear and submit a doc
patch! :-)


% 
% noble
% 
% -- 
% N. Thomas
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HTH & HAND

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Re: system hang, lost mutt function

[David T-G]

Sven, et al --

...and then Sven Guckes said...
% 
% * MuttER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020310 02:58]:
% > Knute, later in this thread solved my problem.
% > The .signature file was missing!
% 
% A missing signature file causes mutt 1.3.27 to hang?
% Well, I just tried to verify this - but no problem!
% I'll say - the problem must be something else...

Perhaps not a signature file, but perhaps a signature *pipe*.  All of
these folks playing with sigrot get to have fun but leave themselves open
to difficulties...


% 
% > Pat Shanahan »»···»···»···   »»···  Registered Linux User #207535
% > »· »··   Registered at: http://counter.li.org
% > »·»···9:55pm  up  4:31,  3 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.09, 0.10
% 
% sigs looks bad when your editor shows you the TABs. ;-)

Hey, that's kinda slick.  Now I have to go back to your pages to figure
out how to show tabs that way! :-)  [It would be nice if my mutt pager
would show them that way instead of as an escaped octal, too *sigh*]


% 
% Sven
% 
% -- 
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flagged messages in folder_format?

[Ryan Singer]

just checked the manual, and it appears that there isn't a way to
indicate whether or not a mailbox has flagged messages in it while
in the file browser (folder_format has no equivalent to
index_format's %S).

is there a workaround for this? i'd love to be able to flag messages
that i need to deal with later and then see which mailboxes contain
such important messages.

-- 
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"I call architecture frozen music." 
   - Goethe

Transcoding

[Vincent Lefevre]

Could Mutt do transcoding when a character isn't available in the
current user's charset?

For instance, some people use the "oe" that is in ISO-8859-15. But
my charset is ISO-8859-1 (if Mutt can switch the terminal's charset,
this would be fine, but I don't know if this is possible). I'd like
to see 2 characters "o" and "e" instead of the current question mark.
Similarly, some people use the euro symbol (not in ISO-8859-1), and
I'd like to see "EUR" instead.

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Re: flagged messages in folder_format?

[David T-G]

Ryan, et al --

...and then Ryan Singer said...
% 
% just checked the manual, and it appears that there isn't a way to
% indicate whether or not a mailbox has flagged messages in it while
% in the file browser (folder_format has no equivalent to
% index_format's %S).

I'd agree, though I haven't researched it.


% 
% is there a workaround for this? i'd love to be able to flag messages
% that i need to deal with later and then see which mailboxes contain
% such important messages.

I strongly doubt it.  mutt does not look into the folders it lists in the
browser and cannot tell you how many messages are in there or read or
unread or anything else (Maildir possibilities aside, since they aren't
implemented anyway).  As such, you also won't see any flag notes.


% 
% -- 
% Ryan Singer :: http://feltpresence.com
% 
% "I call architecture frozen music." 
%- Goethe

HTH & HAND


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mutt 1.3.25 soaking up 100M of memory

[David T-G]

Hi, all --

I have a running mutt (pointing to my mutt-users folder, in fact, with
some 9200 messages in it) that is currently soaking up 100M of memory.
It's been running for quite a while, just like my other mutt processes,
but they aren't big (by one, in one case, or two orders of magnitude).
When I start a new mutt on the same folder it only takes some 11M
of memory.

How can I debug this running instance to perhaps see why it's using so
much?  Will I, in fact, be able to tell anything?  Is it worth poking
around or should I just exit, restart, and forget it?

I'm running 1.3.25 with many patches and it's certainly possible that any
of these might have introduced a memory leak not present in the stock
distribution.  Since a new instantiation doesn't soak up so much memory,
though, I can't start removing patches to identify such a culprit.

Any ideas are welcome; TIA.


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Re: flagged messages in folder_format? -> grep

[Sven Guckes]

* Ryan Singer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 15:45]:
> just checked the manual, and it appears that there isn't
> a way to indicate whether or not a mailbox has flagged
> messages in it while in the file browser (folder_format
> has no equivalent to index_format's %S).

correct.  mutt won't be able to see them from outside.
so mutt won't know - and therefore cannot indicate them.

> is there a workaround for this?

select a folder - and let mutt look inside!  :-)

> i'd love to be able to flag messages that i
> need to deal with later and then see which
> mailboxes contain such important messages.

  grep -l -s -F 'X-Status: F' ~/Mail/*

just an idea..

Sven

-- 
grep -c -s -F 'X-Status: F' $MAIL
839

Re: mutt 1.3.25 soaking up 100M of memory

[Sven Guckes]

* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 15:57]:
> I have a running mutt .. that is currently soaking up 100M of memory.
> It's been running for quite a while, just like my other mutt processes,
> but they aren't big (by one, in one case, or two orders of magnitude).
> When I start a new mutt on the same folder it only takes some 11M
> of memory.  How can I debug this running instance to perhaps see why
> it's using so much?

perhaps the first mutt is female and
the second one is a male mutt? *grin*

> I'm running 1.3.25 ..

install 1.3.27 and try again, please.

Sven

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Re: Transcoding -> use display_filter

[Sven Guckes]

* Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 15:49]:
> Could Mutt do transcoding when a character isn't
> available in the current user's charset?
> .. some people use the euro symbol (not in
> ISO-8859-1), and I'd like to see "EUR" instead.

Should be possible for you with "display_filter"...

Sven

Re: mutt's cvs

[Sven Guckes]

* ??? ? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 12:08]:
> Is there CVS tree of mutt available?

Yes.

Sven

-- 
$ dog http://www.mutt.org/ | grep -i cvs | sed -e 's###g'
The Mutt CVS server has moved from ftp.guug.de to ftp.mutt.org.

Re: Mutt with IMAP - Mozilla and Kmail faster?

[Sven Guckes]

* Gerhard Hring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 02:11]:
> Le 11/03/02 à 17:15, Gerhard Häring écrivit:
> > Le 11/03/02 à 15:54, Simon White écrivit:
> > > [mutt & imap is slow]
> > Reading the ~5000 emails from my mutt-user folder takes approx. 18
> > seconds. That's really slow, IMNSHO.
> Apparently, such a best doesn't exist and it wouldn't solve
> our problem, either. If I run mutt from my imap server machine,
> it's equally slow.  Mozilla seems to be faster, though.
> Apparently it caches the overview data on disk. kmail seems
> to also cache overview data, but its lost after restart.

"Dann geht doch rueber!"  ;-)

Sven

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Re: system hang, lost mutt function

[Sven Guckes]

* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 15:25]:
> ...and then Sven Guckes said...
> % * MuttER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020310 02:58]:
> % > Knute, later in this thread solved my problem.
> % > The .signature file was missing!
> % 
> % A missing signature file causes mutt 1.3.27 to hang?
> % Well, I just tried to verify this - but no problem!
> % I'll say - the problem must be something else...
> 
> Perhaps not a signature file, but perhaps a signature *pipe*.
> All of these folks playing with sigrot get to
> have fun but leave themselves open to difficulties...

right - anyone using sigrot without knowledge
about pipes will shoot himself in the foot.

> % > Pat Shanahan »»···»···»···   »»···  Registered Linux User #207535
> % > »· »··   Registered at: http://counter.li.org
> % > »·»···9:55pm  up  4:31,  3 users,  load average: 0.16, 0.09, 0.10
> % sigs looks bad when your editor shows you the TABs. ;-)
> Hey, that's kinda slick.  Now I have to go back to your
> pages to figure out how to show tabs that way! :-)

David - I will you as as soon as use revert to standard
quote_indent and use a proper attribution (name+address) - ok?
(and learn to delete unnecessarily quoted line blocks!)

> [It would be nice if my mutt pager would show them
> that way instead of as an escaped octal, too *sigh*]

maybe use display_filter for that, too?

Sven

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Re: mutt 1.3.25 soaking up 100M of memory

[David T-G]

Sven, et al --

...and then Sven Guckes said...
% 
% * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 15:57]:
% > I have a running mutt .. that is currently soaking up 100M of memory.
...
% > When I start a new mutt on the same folder it only takes some 11M
...
% 
% perhaps the first mutt is female and
% the second one is a male mutt? *grin*

*snort*


% 
% > I'm running 1.3.25 ..
% 
% install 1.3.27 and try again, please.

Yeah, but there are some patches in the cocktail which break on .27 and
so I haven't been able to go forward.  I expect that everything will
apply just fine by the time .28 comes out and I'll be ready for 1.4...

OK, so when I said "Any ideas are welcome" I really meant about this
particular instantiation :-)


% 
% Sven
% 
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% Eine Frau - ein Woeterbuch.


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Re: multiple attachments from command line

[Sven Guckes]

* Eduardo J. Gargiulo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020307 19:20]:
> How can I attach more than one file to a message,
> without having to press a and browse for each one?

  mutt -a file1 -a file2 ... -a fileN address

Sven

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Re: system hang, lost mutt function

[David T-G]

Sven, et al --

...and then Sven Guckes said...
% 
% * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 15:25]:
% > 
% > Perhaps not a signature file, but perhaps a signature *pipe*.
% > All of these folks playing with sigrot get to
% > have fun but leave themselves open to difficulties...
% 
% right - anyone using sigrot without knowledge
% about pipes will shoot himself in the foot.

Yep.


% 
% > Hey, that's kinda slick.  Now I have to go back to your
% > pages to figure out how to show tabs that way! :-)
% 
% David - I will you as as soon as use revert to standard

Did you mean to say that you'd show me how or did you mean something
else?


% quote_indent and use a proper attribution (name+address) - ok?

*grin*  Never!  I like my %_ and I'm stickin' with it.  When all of you
folks move from >_ to > then *perhaps* you can come back and argue with
me some more.

I didn't know there was a standard for attribution, and I'm not terribly
impressed with yours.  No problem, though.


% (and learn to delete unnecessarily quoted line blocks!)

Hey, I thought I trimmed enough.


% 
% > [It would be nice if my mutt pager would show them
% > that way instead of as an escaped octal, too *sigh*]
% 
% maybe use display_filter for that, too?

I'm sure mutt should display it properly; I just haven't had the time to
play with charsets and everything else that might be involved.


% 
% Sven
% 
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% ATTRIBUTE!   http://learn.to/attribute
% Summary: Name+Address of the author; short date+time optional.

Oh, you mean like that.  Nice page, but you really shouldn't use two-digit
years these days and I don't have a conclusive opinion on local vs UTC
but would pick the latter if I had to choose.


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showing corresponding filename in maildir format

[N. Thomas]

(This question pertains to Mutt using a Maildir mbox.)

If I have a message called

   $MUTT/foo/cur/1015848003_20331_beach:2,ST

that mutt will show as message #34 or whatever. There is nothing in the
default display to indicate that message number #34 in folder foo
corresponds to the above file.

How could I get the filename of this message?

noble

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Re: mutt 1.3.25 soaking up 100M of memory

[Christopher S. Swingley]

David,

> OK, so when I said "Any ideas are welcome" I really meant about this
> particular instantiation :-)

Well, it won't tell you much about memory, but you can see what system
functions are being called inside the program by using the 'strace'
program.  Once you've found the process ID number with 'top' or 'ps'
you can type 'strace -p PID' and it'll show you what's happening.
Unfortunately, it won't show you much about memory, and in fact when
I just ran this command on my current mutt process, it was pretty
clear that mutt wasn't doing much of anything at the system level
until I switched folders / opened email / etc.

Assuming you built mutt with -g (debugging) you could attach 'gdb'
to the running process, and this might give you a better view into
the program than strace would.  But I've never actually used 'gdb'
this way, so I don't know how smart it is when confronted with a
running executable and no source code to go along with it.

You'd probably need to be pretty familiar with the source code,
variables and structure definitions, etc. for 'gdb' to really help
you figure out what's going on.

Not much help, I know, but you did say ``Any ideas are welcome'' !

Chris
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Re: showing corresponding filename in maildir format

[David T-G]

Noble --

...and then N. Thomas said...
% 
% (This question pertains to Mutt using a Maildir mbox.)
...
% How could I get the filename of this message?

Does it, by chance, have anything to do with the Message-ID: field?

If not then I'm at a loss; trying to save the message will put it
wherever your rules say rather than to an original filename like an
attachment...


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Re: Transcoding -> use display_filter

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 17:04:47 +0100, Sven Guckes wrote:
> * Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 15:49]:
> > Could Mutt do transcoding when a character isn't
> > available in the current user's charset?
> > .. some people use the euro symbol (not in
> > ISO-8859-1), and I'd like to see "EUR" instead.
> 
> Should be possible for you with "display_filter"...

Which means that the header parsing and decoding process must be
performed twice? Isn't there a more efficient way? Otherwise, I
can still use message-hook to call the filter only when needed.

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Re: mutt's cvs

[David Collantes]

* Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12-03-02 10:48 AM EST]:

> * ??? ? <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 12:08]:
> > Is there CVS tree of mutt available?
> 
> Yes.

I think we are all been smarty pants. Here is what he needs:

cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/roessler/cvs login

Enter anonymous at the password prompt.

cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/roessler/cvs co mutt

Then cd into mutt, do ./prepare; make; make install (assuming you've got 
root)

Cheers,

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Re: Transcoding -> use display_filter

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 18:01:24 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 17:04:47 +0100, Sven Guckes wrote:
> > Should be possible for you with "display_filter"...
> 
> Which means that the header parsing and decoding process must be
> performed twice? Isn't there a more efficient way? Otherwise, I
> can still use message-hook to call the filter only when needed.

There is another problem: what can I do for the index, e.g. if the
subject contains non-ISO-8859-1 characters?

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Re: mutt 1.3.25 soaking up 100M of memory

[David T-G]

Chris, et al --

...and then Christopher S. Swingley said...
% 
% David,
% 
% > OK, so when I said "Any ideas are welcome" I really meant about this
% > particular instantiation :-)
% 
% Well, it won't tell you much about memory, but you can see what system
% functions are being called inside the program by using the 'strace'

Hmmm...  Hokay.


% program.  Once you've found the process ID number with 'top' or 'ps'

That part is easy.


% you can type 'strace -p PID' and it'll show you what's happening.

Thanks.


% Unfortunately, it won't show you much about memory, and in fact when
% I just ran this command on my current mutt process, it was pretty
% clear that mutt wasn't doing much of anything at the system level
% until I switched folders / opened email / etc.

OK.  I haven't switched folders at all, but I certainly read and write
mail.  I'll see what that gets me.


% 
% Assuming you built mutt with -g (debugging) you could attach 'gdb'

Actually, I dunno that I did; I'd be surprised.  ...  Nope, I did; my
mutt -v reports +DEBUG.  One step down...


% to the running process, and this might give you a better view into
% the program than strace would.  But I've never actually used 'gdb'
% this way, so I don't know how smart it is when confronted with a
% running executable and no source code to go along with it.

I could dig the source code back out, too; it's in the cocktail archive.
The problem I see, though, ...


% 
% You'd probably need to be pretty familiar with the source code,
% variables and structure definitions, etc. for 'gdb' to really help
% you figure out what's going on.

... is this one.  I can hardly spell gdb, much less use it.


% 
% Not much help, I know, but you did say ``Any ideas are welcome'' !

Indeed I did :-)  Thanks a bunch!


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Re: flagged messages in folder_format?

[darren chamberlain]

Quoting Ryan Singer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Mar 12, 2002 10:46]:
> just checked the manual, and it appears that there isn't a way
> to indicate whether or not a mailbox has flagged messages in it
> while in the file browser (folder_format has no equivalent to
> index_format's %S).

I wouldn' think that there would be; mutt would have to look
inside each folder to figure that out, and that would be hugely
expensive.

> is there a workaround for this? i'd love to be able to flag
> messages that i need to deal with later and then see which
> mailboxes contain such important messages.

Workaround?  Yes, save all your important messages to
=important. ;)

(darren)

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Re: Emails to different folders

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 09:32:09AM -0500, David T-G wrote:
> Oliver, et al --
> 
> ...and then Oliver Fuchs said...
> % 
> % Thank you for the hints but still do not get it. 
> % I tried: mbox-hook '~C mutt-users' +mutt.users
> 
> From what I read in the manual, that won't work.  The mbox-hook command
> lets you specify a place to which to move mail for each spool file, not
> for various types of messages within one file.  To wit, for mail
> delivered to =Mailbox, =mutt-users, =spam, and so on you might have
> 
>   mbox-hook Mailbox =Archive/Mailbox
>   mbox-hook mutt-users =mutt-users.old
>   mbox-hook spam /tmp/spam
> 
> or something similar so that when you exit the "Mailbox" folder and tell
> mutt to go ahead and move read messages it will save in =Archive/Mailbox
> and so on.
> 
> 
> % but nothing is working. Is something wrong? I do not see how to handle it, how to 
>move emails with To or Cc
> % to folder/mbox mutt.users.
> 
> You don't have to do it all in one program any more now that you've left
> Lotus Notes :-)
> 
> If you really can't bring yourself to use procmail, maildrop, or some
> other delivery-time filter program, then fcc-save-hook is probably what
> you need.  Your muttrc quickly fills with save directives, though, and
> tagging can pick one save location when you might have meant another,
> so (for those reasons if none other) something like procmail is really
> the better tool.
> 
> 
> HTH & HAND
> 
> :-D
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> 
and then I say: Thank you for the time you spent ... O.K. I am going to use procmailI 
think this is a very good hint ...
I am not going to do it all in one ...you are absolutly right ... 
> tagging can pick one save location when you might have meant another,
... tagging was something I was thinking of before you wrote ... so, welcome to the 
world of procmail (what is the name of the mailing list?)

Oliver

Re: Emails to different folders

[David T-G]

Oliver --

My, but you really should work on your quote trimming.  At least I get
rid of *some* of the original message!

...and then Oliver Fuchs said...
% 
% On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 09:32:09AM -0500, David T-G wrote:
...
% > http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg!
% > 
% and then I say: Thank you for the time you spent ... O.K. I am going to use 
procmailI think this is a very good hint ...

You're quite welcome.  Good idea.


% I am not going to do it all in one ...you are absolutly right ... 
% > tagging can pick one save location when you might have meant another,
% ... tagging was something I was thinking of before you wrote ... so, welcome to the 
world of procmail (what is the name of the mailing list?)

This one or the procmail list?  I dunno the latter...  I'm sure that a
quick google search will turn it up, though.


% 
% Oliver


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Re: attribution and quotes

[Sven Guckes]

* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 16:31]:
> ...and then Sven Guckes said...
> % * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020312 15:25]:
> % > Hey, that's kinda slick.  Now I have to go back to your
> % > pages to figure out how to show tabs that way! :-)
> % David - I will you as as soon as use revert to standard
> Did you mean to say that you'd show
> me how or did you mean something else?

yes - "show" (it was missing).

> % quote_indent and use a proper attribution (name+address) - ok?
> *grin*  Never!  I like my %_ and I'm stickin' with it.
> When all of you folks move from >_ to > then *perhaps*
> you can come back and argue with me some more.

well, ">_" is standard with many programs, so one
should stick with it to allow recognition of quoted
text with programs who do not allow configuration.
"be nice to Mozilla and Outlook Express users".

> I didn't know there was a standard for attribution, and
> I'm not terribly impressed with yours.  No problem, though.

well, at least my attribution contains the persons address
so you can still use this info when following up to my mail.
it is vital on mailing lists as there is no repository as there
is with news servers from which you could request the parent message.

with your attribution this is simply no possible -
unless you have the parent message to mine.

moreover, an attribution without any "words" can be used
on any mailinglists - independent of its language.

> % (and learn to delete unnecessarily quoted line blocks!)
> Hey, I thought I trimmed enough.

you send lots of quoted empty lines - didn't you notice?

> % ATTRIBUTE!   http://learn.to/attribute
> % Summary: Name+Address of the author; short date+time optional.
> Oh, you mean like that.  Nice page, but you really shouldn't
> use two-digit years these days and I don't have a conclusive opinion
> on local vs UTC but would pick the latter if I had to choose.

I am aware that the short date form like 020312 could be mistaken for
1902-03-12 or 2102-03-12 - but so far it has not been a problem.  ;-)

Sven

Re: attribution and quotes

[Rob Reid]

At  3:19 PM EST on March 12 Sven Guckes sent off:
> I am aware that the short date form like 020312 could be mistaken for
> 1902-03-12 or 2102-03-12 - but so far it has not been a problem.  ;-)

You sound like a 1970s COBOL programmer ;->  Anyway, if I didn't know that
today is March 12, 2002, I'd be tempted to read 020312 as an American zip code,
or Feb. 3, 2012.  6 digits just aren't very robust when taken out of context,
or read with someone else's context.

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Re: showing corresponding filename in maildir format

[Michael Elkins]

N. Thomas wrote:
> (This question pertains to Mutt using a Maildir mbox.)
> 
> If I have a message called
> 
>$MUTT/foo/cur/1015848003_20331_beach:2,ST
> 
> that mutt will show as message #34 or whatever. There is nothing in the
> default display to indicate that message number #34 in folder foo
> corresponds to the above file.
> 
> How could I get the filename of this message?

There isn't a user accessible way to acces this information.  You'd have
to write a patch to get this info.

NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[Ken Weingold]

I am trying to build mutt even with no configure options, and get this
in config.log:

configure:1109: checking for strerror in -lcposix
configure:1128: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.c -lcposix   1>&5
/usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lcposix: No such file or directory
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure: failed program was:
#line 1117 "configure"
#include "confdefs.h"
/* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error.  */
/* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2
builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply.  */
char strerror();

int main() {
strerror()
; return 0; }


Before I saw that, running make errored.  Anyone know why this is?

Thanks.


-Ken

Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[Thomas Dickey]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 01:32:01PM -0800, Ken Weingold wrote:
> I am trying to build mutt even with no configure options, and get this
> in config.log:
> 
> configure:1109: checking for strerror in -lcposix
> configure:1128: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.c -lcposix   1>&5
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lcposix: No such file or directory

that's normal (the script is checking if strerror() is in the cposix library,
which doesn't happen for many platforms - a special case so it can add -lcposix
to the library list if needed).

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Re: inadvertent undeletions

[David DeSimone]

N. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking I might have inadvertently hit some keystroke that did
> this.  Is there a function that will do something like this?

If you hit the "%" key, it will toggle the folder to read-only mode. 
None of your changes will be saved when you exit the folder.

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Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[Ken Weingold]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 01:32:01PM -0800, Ken Weingold wrote:
> > I am trying to build mutt even with no configure options, and get this
> > in config.log:
> > 
> > configure:1109: checking for strerror in -lcposix
> > configure:1128: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.c -lcposix   1>&5
> > /usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lcposix: No such file or directory
> 
> that's normal (the script is checking if strerror() is in the cposix library,
> which doesn't happen for many platforms - a special case so it can add -lcposix
> to the library list if needed).

Oh, so then maybe it's not related to why make crapped out.  Here's
the error:

pgpkey.o: In function `pgp_ask_for_key':
/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/pgpkey.c:701: undefined reference to `beep'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Re: attribution and quotes

[Knute]

On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Rob Reid wrote:

> At  3:19 PM EST on March 12 Sven Guckes sent off:
> > I am aware that the short date form like 020312 could be mistaken for
> > 1902-03-12 or 2102-03-12 - but so far it has not been a problem.  ;-)

> You sound like a 1970s COBOL programmer ;->  Anyway, if I didn't know that
> today is March 12, 2002, I'd be tempted to read 020312 as an American zip code,

American zip codes are either 5 or 9 digits, not 6!  :)

> or Feb. 3, 2012.  6 digits just aren't very robust when taken out of context,
> or read with someone else's context.

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Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[Thomas Dickey]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 02:08:41PM -0800, Ken Weingold wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 01:32:01PM -0800, Ken Weingold wrote:
> > > I am trying to build mutt even with no configure options, and get this
> > > in config.log:
> > > 
> > > configure:1109: checking for strerror in -lcposix
> > > configure:1128: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.c -lcposix   1>&5
> > > /usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lcposix: No such file or directory
> > 
> > that's normal (the script is checking if strerror() is in the cposix library,
> > which doesn't happen for many platforms - a special case so it can add -lcposix
> > to the library list if needed).
> 
> Oh, so then maybe it's not related to why make crapped out.  Here's
> the error:
> 
> pgpkey.o: In function `pgp_ask_for_key':
> /tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/pgpkey.c:701: undefined reference to `beep'

beep() is a function in the curses (or ncurses) library.

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Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[Ken Weingold]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> > Oh, so then maybe it's not related to why make crapped out.  Here's
> > the error:
> > 
> > pgpkey.o: In function `pgp_ask_for_key':
> > /tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/pgpkey.c:701: undefined reference to `beep'
> 
> beep() is a function in the curses (or ncurses) library.

Huh.  Would that cause make to error out?  I now get this.  I think
the difference was using 'gcc3'.  I get "undefined reference" all over
the place, btw.

/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/pgpkey.c:701: undefined reference to `beep'
resize.o: In function `mutt_resize_screen':
/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/resize.c:79: undefined reference to
`resizeterm'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [mutt] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27'
gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2



-Ken

Can I open a folder with all threads collapsed?

[Michel]

Hello folks, maybe the subject tell for yourself...
I'm interested in this feature: open a folder with old mails collapseds (or all mail 
if only it's function)...

Thanks
--
Michel - Sorry about my bad english :)

Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[David DeSimone]

Ken Weingold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Would that cause make to error out?
> 
> /tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/pgpkey.c:701: undefined reference to `beep'
> resize.o: In function `mutt_resize_screen':
> /tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/resize.c:79: undefined reference to
> `resizeterm'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> gmake[2]: *** [mutt] Error 1
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27'
> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27'
> gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

You are not supplying sufficient information for this list to tell you
what is wrong.  All the above messages mean is that function beep()
could not be found.  It doesn't tell us WHY it could not be found.

Perhaps it is not found because you are linking to a deficient curses
library.  Perhaps your ncurses is not up to date.  Perhaps the correct
location of ncurses has not been determined.  These are things that are
very difficult to tell from so far away out on the net, as we are.

Perhaps you could post the entire output from "make", or maybe even the
output from "configure" if you so desire.

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OT: Re: attribution and quotes

[Rob Reid]

At  5:25 PM EST on March 12 Knute sent off:
> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Rob Reid wrote:
> > Anyway, if I didn't know that today is March 12, 2002, I'd be tempted to
> > read 020312 as an American zip code,
> 
> American zip codes are either 5 or 9 digits, not 6!  :)

Oh?  90210...yep.  Anyway, as a nonamerican I'm allowed to get confused,
especially since Canadian postal codes do have 6 characters.

Just to bring this somewhat away from snail mail and closer to email, my point
is that as much as I support Sven's various public education campaigns*, I'm
against 6 digit dates as a communication standard because they're easy to
misinterpret.

Modified Julian Dates are completely numeric and therefore suitable for all
Earthlings (not just astronomers) but unfortunately my /bin/date, from Red
Hat's sh-utils-2.0-11 RPM, doesn't support them.  It really should.

As far as including email addresses in the attribution, not everyone wants
their address (re)posted, because of spammers.  (I suspect Sven is against
being scared of spammers.)  Conceivably a mailing list could strip the original
sender's address anyway.

* Although I prefer to lobby all MTA distributors to enable
  CORRECT_DAVIDS_QUOTING by default since there're fewer of them than
  Netscape/LookOut users, and David himself seems to enjoy the attention.
  If his PGP sig gets broken, fine.  

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Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[Thomas Dickey]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 03:10:27PM -0800, Ken Weingold wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2002, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> > > Oh, so then maybe it's not related to why make crapped out.  Here's
> > > the error:
> > > 
> > > pgpkey.o: In function `pgp_ask_for_key':
> > > /tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/pgpkey.c:701: undefined reference to `beep'
> > 
> > beep() is a function in the curses (or ncurses) library.
> 
> Huh.  Would that cause make to error out?  I now get this.  I think
> the difference was using 'gcc3'.  I get "undefined reference" all over
> the place, btw.

yes - I don't see the whole log of course, but the warnings you're seeing
are due to the link either missing the curses library altogether or
having the wrong library.  The NetBSD curses library for instance is
an incomplete subset of X/Open curses (especially compared to ncurses ;-)

Perhaps the configure script didn't find ncurses (which is a port), or
was fooled into trying to use the NetBSD curses library (not recommended).

> 
> /tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/pgpkey.c:701: undefined reference to `beep'
> resize.o: In function `mutt_resize_screen':
> /tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27/resize.c:79: undefined reference to
> `resizeterm'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> gmake[2]: *** [mutt] Error 1
> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27'
> gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/hazmat/mutt-1.3.27'
> gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
> 
> 
> 
> -Ken

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Re: Can I open a folder with all threads collapsed?

[Rob Reid]

At  9:38 PM EST on March  9 Michel sent off:
> Hello folks, maybe the subject tell for yourself...
> I'm interested in this feature: open a folder with old mails collapseds (or all mail 
>if only it's function)...

Yes.

For your .muttrc:

# Expand all threads containing unread mail
unset collapse_unread


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Re: Can I open a folder with all threads collapsed?

[Knute]

On Sat, 09 Mar 2002, Michel wrote:

> Hello folks, maybe the subject tell for yourself...
> I'm interested in this feature: open a folder with old mails collapseds (or all mail 
>if only it's function)...

> Thanks

Add this to your ~/.muttrc file:

folder-hook . 'push \eV' #collapse all threads when entering a folder




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Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[tim lupfer]

* thus spaketh Thomas Dickey (Mar 12 at 06:46PM):

> Perhaps the configure script didn't find ncurses (which is a port), or
> was fooled into trying to use the NetBSD curses library (not recommended).

...i'm jumping in a bit late on this conversation; but I am using
mutt with netbsd curses with no problems whatsoever (both 1.2.5 and
1.3.x).

-- 
timothy lupfer
http://sadlittleboy.com

(*) I've accomplished detach of new mails

[Michel]

Hello folks!

There was several thread about this in this week!
How to personalize viewing of folders in folder_format...
See my folder table (the subdirectory "Linux")...

1 mar 09 23:55   1024 .. ../
2 mar 09 19:37   38911 . debian_news
3 N   mar 09 23:37   178641  debian_user
4 mar 09 09:05   7014 ... inscricoes
5 mar 09 19:53   58414  mutt

It's a mark for new messages in "debian_user", I thought it doesn't work because when 
I downloaded e-mails, it really didn't worked (the guilty was the exim or the procmail 
- they were late in delivery - really there wasn't new messages in folder :)...
It doesn't work with old marked "O" messages, only with new...
Tagged messages also work (maybe), but I don't do this... Mutt don't marked messages 
with "*", I tried but mutt didn't saved the change...
Flag function normally, a "!" mark stay in messages...

Maybe someone achieve to tag messages, if do try my folder_format:
set folder_format= "%\%C %N %t %d %\  %s %>. %f %\   "
Thanks
--
Michel - Brasil
Ariman

Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[Ken Weingold]

On Tue, Mar 12, 2002, tim lupfer wrote:
> * thus spaketh Thomas Dickey (Mar 12 at 06:46PM):
> 
> > Perhaps the configure script didn't find ncurses (which is a port), or
> > was fooled into trying to use the NetBSD curses library (not recommended).
> 
> ...i'm jumping in a bit late on this conversation; but I am using
> mutt with netbsd curses with no problems whatsoever (both 1.2.5 and
> 1.3.x).

Well with either no path to curses on the command line or using what I
found on the system, I get the problems.  There is a mutt 1.3.25i
installed on the system, and mutt -v says 'System: NetBSD 1.5.2 (i386)
[using ncurses 5.2]'.  Any way to find out what build parameters were
used for it to find ncurses 5.2?  Looks like it was installed as a
package, actually.  But /pkg/mutt-1.3.25 is a sym link to /usr/local.
:-/


-Ken

Can I save all thread collapsed?

[Michel]

> > Thanks
> 
> Add this to your ~/.muttrc file:
> 
>   folder-hook . 'push \eV' #collapse all threads when entering a folder
Still in this thread: How to save all messages of a thread?
I need this because I don't got filter mails from mutt users with procmail... The rule 
is:

:0:
* ^TO.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux/mutt

is this correct?
I get do filter in follow rule:

:0:
* ^TO.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux/debian_user

What is going on?

thanks
--
Michel - ps: sorry my bad english :)

Re: NetBSD build problems - -lcposix?

[tim lupfer]

* thus spaketh Ken Weingold (Mar 12 at 04:35PM):

> Well with either no path to curses on the command line or using
> what I found on the system, I get the problems.  There is a mutt
> 1.3.25i installed on the system, and mutt -v says 'System: NetBSD
> 1.5.2 (i386) [using ncurses 5.2]'.  Any way to find out what build
> parameters were used for it to find ncurses 5.2?  Looks like it
> was installed as a package, actually.  But /pkg/mutt-1.3.25 is a
> sym link to /usr/local.  :-/

I haven't been following this thread very closely, so you will have
to pardon my ignorance. What type of problems are you having?
compilation or running? is /usr/pkg/lib included in /etc/ld.so.conf?

./configure --with-curses=/usr/pkg might be of some benefit if you
are having compilation problems.

slang is also an option if ncurses won't fly.

-- 
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Re: Can I save all thread collapsed?

[Will Yardley]

Michel wrote:

> Still in this thread: How to save all messages of a thread?
> I need this because I don't got filter mails from mutt users with procmail... The 
>rule is:
> 
> :0:
> * ^TO.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Linux/mutt

that might work, but it's generally better not to use ^TO if possible
since it's a bit more expensive.  i use:

:0
* ^Return-Path: 

Re: OT: Re: attribution and quotes

[Michael Bain]

* Rob Reid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [12 Mar 2002 15:44]:
> 
> I'm against 6 digit dates as a communication standard because they're
> easy to misinterpret.

Same; hence my choice of the above attribution :-) It's bad enough
trying to sort out 12/03/02, 03/12/02 or 02/03/12. Trying to read
120302, 031202 or 020312 causes my mental parser to have a nervous
breakdown. It's one of the few quibbles I have with Sven's configs.
(which I've otherwise shamelessly co-opted, thanks Sven!)
 
> As far as including email addresses in the attribution, not everyone wants
> their address (re)posted, because of spammers.

Although, if I were a spammer trolling for addresses, I'd just snarf the
'From' header. 

Mike

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