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Re: [MlMt] Any Other OS 10.9 (Mavericks) Users Here?

2016-07-21 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen


On 16 Jul 2016, at 23:17, Billy Youdelman wrote:

I'm having some problems with recent versions of MailMate (both 1.9 
and the 2.0 beta) running on OS 10.9, and I'm wondering if it's just 
me, or ...?


It's probably not based on your description.


So..  Thanks a lot to anyone who can contribute any clues here.


I think there's an “exception” involved here which does not crash 
MailMate but leaves it in a semi-bad state. Try launching MailMate from 
a Terminal window and then send me any suspicious output:


/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate

You can send it to me off list and hopefully it's easily fixed.


And, Benny, pardon my asking in the list about this now,


No problem.


and please continue to enjoy your vacation.


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Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags

2016-07-21 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen


On 14 Jul 2016, at 21:45, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Just a simple lowercase 't' will bring up the Tags box. That is what 
is swallowing the first letter of "todo" or "toread".  :-)


If that was so simple... as I said, small t changes the color of the 
highlight of the selected message but does not bring any box.


It should be a text field just below the headers of the message? You do 
not see this?


The offer to create (partly swallowed) new tags shows up if I just 
type after the t and press return. But blind typing is not the optimal 
way to create tags for me.


Yes, it's not supposed to be “blind”. Sounds like the view is 
somehow not visible for you.


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Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?

2016-07-21 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen


On 14 Jul 2016, at 22:53, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:52, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:

On 14 Jul 2016, at 13:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

With “new messages” I assumed you meant the Composer. If that is 
not the case then you can change the font like you do with other 
parts of the GUI (click on the view to focus it and then use 
“Format ▸ Show Fonts”). The size of the headers view is not 
updated until after you change the selected message.


I do mean Composer (I guess). See the screen shot here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xb9093jigejnw4l/Screenshot%202016-07-14%2016.48.06.png


I'm afraid the link no longer works (probably because I took too long to 
reply to this email).


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Re: [MlMt] tagging issues 3

2016-07-21 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen


On 20 Jul 2016, at 23:00, Robert Brenstein wrote:


Saga continues...


Sorry about all your issues with tags. Something is definitely not 
working as it should. For the record, MailMate does not auto-tag 
anything and the Tags mailbox should never have an “Other” item. 
This item only exists if the parent mailbox contains any untagged 
messages and this is not the case for the default Tagged mailbox.


After computer was in sleep, I turned it on and I am back to seeing 
Other tags. Worse, the tags keep multiplying without me asking for it. 
The current counts are


Tagged: 1300
   Other: 164
   ToDo: 50
   ToRead: 1096

This behavior makes tagging totally useless, at least for me.


I don't think (yet) this is a general issue. I need to know more about 
your setup and IMAP server(s) and therefore I'll take debugging off 
list. Hopefully I can reproduce the issue somehow and fix or work around 
whatever is causing this behavior.


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Re: [MlMt] enhancement, I think

2016-07-21 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen


On 20 Jul 2016, at 16:27, Marc ARC wrote:


On 18 Jul 2016, at 5:30, Howard Wettstein wrote:

I’d like to run MM on my 3 machines: home, office and laptop. As I 
configure increasingly many smart folders on my home (main) machine , 
it becomes a headache to reconfigure to other two to match. It would 
be great if there was a way to update the other machines.


I’m sure that Benny has this still on his list since it has been 
asked in the past.


I do, but I've also made no progress on it :|

It's one of those features which sounds simply in theory, but in 
practice there is likely to be all kinds of tricky synchronization 
issues. I really should revisit it though, particularly for the purpose 
of smart mailboxes and tags.


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Re: [MlMt] enhancement, I think

2016-07-21 Thread Alain Israel

I agree, this is probably one of the only weak points of MM. However 
based on my experience with other applications, this is definitively not 
a trivial issue, and it is certainly dependent on the IMAP server. 
Benny, in one of your previous emails, you mentioned that the lack of 
tag syncing (meaning I have to re-tag by hand dozens of emails each time 
I change computer) coudl be somehow debugged. Is this correct?

Alain

On 21 Jul 2016, at 11:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 20 Jul 2016, at 16:27, Marc ARC wrote:


On 18 Jul 2016, at 5:30, Howard Wettstein wrote:

I’d like to run MM on my 3 machines: home, office and laptop. As I 
configure increasingly many smart folders on my home (main) machine 
, it becomes a headache to reconfigure to other two to match. It 
would be great if there was a way to update the other machines.


I’m sure that Benny has this still on his list since it has been 
asked in the past.


I do, but I've also made no progress on it :|

It's one of those features which sounds simply in theory, but in 
practice there is likely to be all kinds of tricky synchronization 
issues. I really should revisit it though, particularly for the 
purpose of smart mailboxes and tags.


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Re: [MlMt] enhancement, I think

2016-07-21 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen


On 21 Jul 2016, at 12:05, Alain Israel wrote:

I agree, this is probably one of the only weak points of MM. However 
based on my experience with other applications, this is definitively 
not a trivial issue, and it is certainly dependent on the IMAP server.


To be clear, a solution would involve some kind of private “message” 
within an IMAP folder on an IMAP server (as also seen with other email 
clients). This could of course be hidden by MailMate, but it would be 
visible in other email clients -- annoying but necessary. There is no 
standardized way to do these things via IMAP. This also means that IMAP 
server bugs are not likely to be a major issue.


Benny, in one of your previous emails, you mentioned that the lack of 
tag syncing (meaning I have to re-tag by hand dozens of emails each 
time I change computer) coudl be somehow debugged. Is this correct?


Certainly, but maybe best done off list. Write me an email via “Help 
▸ Send Feedback” and describe a (short) set of steps needed to 
reproduce the issue. Note that if it's an Exchange server then it's a 
known issue. Exchange does not support custom IMAP keywords.


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Re: [MlMt] sent mail box #3

2016-07-21 Thread Julien Cellario



hello Marc,

I don’t see any screenshot attached ? however… however, one of the 
sent sub-mailbox (my main account) is still shown as failed


cheers

Julien

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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:25:54 +0200
From: "Marc ARC" 
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Subject: Re: [MlMt] sent mailbox
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Deselect the first check box like in the screenshot I send you

bàv

Marc

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Bonjour Marc,

thanks for the prompt answer.. the screenshot is attached
julien

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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:44:09 +0200
From: "Julien Cellario" 
To: Mailmate 
Subject: [MlMt] sent mailbox
Message-ID: <87b99586-6c49-4263-9ac2-e3753f952...@mie.mc>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

Hi there,

I’m pretty confused about my _sent_ mailbox.

First, looks like it’s not totally synchronized as I can’t find
all
messages sent. Today, I could see few messages sent this morning, 
and

later the last one I coud see are those sent yesterday.

Then, I use two google accounts, so I have two sub-mailbox in the 
the

« sent » mailbox.
However, on one of them I see 3 kind of sub _mailbox_  (actually I
wouldn’t know how to call them, but there are clearly not mailbox)
related to specific adresses, including mine.

I’m 100% I’ve never created them : I wouldn’t even know how to
!
(cf screenshot attached)

I can see strange things on my gmail webmail as well… beside the
sent
folder, sub sent mailbox have been created (using the tag)

I’m quite lost… as a noob I could do things wrong, but I really
don’t see what could be the problem. By the way, I really need to
have
my sent mailbox well synchronized.

thanks to the community, (Benny keep resting if you’re still on 
the

island, I can wait)

best

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Julien,

Double click on your Sent Messages mail box and see what the
submailboxes-tab looks like.

You can set it as in the attached screen shot

Bonne chance !

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Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags

2016-07-21 Thread Robert Brenstein


Hi Benny,

No, no text field. I will make a screen recording 
and send to you off the list tonight or tomorrow.


Robert

On 21.07.2016 at 10:34 Uhr +0200 Benny Kjær Nielsen apparently wrote:

On 14 Jul 2016, at 21:45, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Just a simple lowercase 't' will bring up the 
Tags box. That is what is swallowing the first 
letter of "todo" or "toread".  :-)


If that was so simple... as I said, small t 
changes the color of the highlight of the 
selected message but does not bring any box.


It should be a text field just below the headers 
of the message? You do not see this?


The offer to create (partly swallowed) new tags 
shows up if I just type after the t and press 
return. But blind typing is not the optimal way 
to create tags for me.


Yes, it's not supposed to be "blind". Sounds 
like the view is somehow not visible for you.


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Re: [MlMt] tagging issues 3

2016-07-21 Thread Robert Brenstein


Hi Benny,

The self-tagging continues. I will provide technical details off the list.

Robert

On 21.07.2016 at 10:48 Uhr +0200 Benny Kjær Nielsen apparently wrote:

On 20 Jul 2016, at 23:00, Robert Brenstein wrote:


Saga continues...


Sorry about all your issues with tags. Something 
is definitely not working as it should. For the 
record, MailMate does not auto-tag anything and 
the Tags mailbox should never have an "Other" 
item. This item only exists if the parent 
mailbox contains any untagged messages and this 
is not the case for the default Tagged mailbox.


After computer was in sleep, I turned it on and 
I am back to seeing Other tags. Worse, the tags 
keep multiplying without me asking for it. The 
current counts are


Tagged: 1300
   Other: 164
   ToDo: 50
   ToRead: 1096

This behavior makes tagging totally useless, at least for me.


I don't think (yet) this is a general issue. I 
need to know more about your setup and IMAP 
server(s) and therefore I'll take debugging off 
list. Hopefully I can reproduce the issue 
somehow and fix or work around whatever is 
causing this behavior.


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[MlMt] Cancel or Delete Send fails

2016-07-21 Thread Ralph Alvy

I notice that if I have a Send (with an attachment) running, and decide 
to Cancel or Delete it while it’s in Drafts because it’s taking too 
long, this cannot be done. Cancel has no obvious effect, and Delete 
deletes the entry in Drafts but it continues to Send to completion.

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Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?

2016-07-21 Thread John D. Muccigrosso


On 21 Jul 2016, at 4:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 14 Jul 2016, at 22:53, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:52, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:

On 14 Jul 2016, at 13:48, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:



With “new messages” I assumed you meant the Composer. If that is 
not the case then you can change the font like you do with other 
parts of the GUI (click on the view to focus it and then use 
“Format ▸ Show Fonts”). The size of the headers view is not 
updated until after you change the selected message.




I do mean Composer (I guess). See the screen shot here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xb9093jigejnw4l/Screenshot%202016-07-14%2016.48.06.png


I'm afraid the link no longer works (probably because I took too long 
to reply to this email).


My bad. Here’s a new one:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r8sksrufj9y61fz/Screenshot%202016-07-21%2017.11.51.png

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Re: [MlMt] enhancement, I think

2016-07-21 Thread John D. Muccigrosso


On 21 Jul 2016, at 6:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 21 Jul 2016, at 12:05, Alain Israel wrote:

I agree, this is probably one of the only weak points of MM. However 
based on my experience with other applications, this is definitively 
not a trivial issue, and it is certainly dependent on the IMAP 
server.


To be clear, a solution would involve some kind of private 
“message” within an IMAP folder on an IMAP server (as also seen 
with other email clients). This could of course be hidden by MailMate, 
but it would be visible in other email clients -- annoying but 
necessary. There is no standardized way to do these things via IMAP. 
This also means that IMAP server bugs are not likely to be a major 
issue.


Benny, in one of your previous emails, you mentioned that the lack of 
tag syncing (meaning I have to re-tag by hand dozens of emails each 
time I change computer) coudl be somehow debugged. Is this correct?


Certainly, but maybe best done off list. Write me an email via “Help 
▸ Send Feedback” and describe a (short) set of steps needed to 
reproduce the issue. Note that if it's an Exchange server then it's a 
known issue. Exchange does not support custom IMAP keywords.


Why couldn’t MM store smart-mailbox info in iCloud?

John
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Re: [MlMt] enhancement, I think

2016-07-21 Thread Steven M. Bellovin


On 21 Jul 2016, at 6:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 21 Jul 2016, at 12:05, Alain Israel wrote:

I agree, this is probably one of the only weak points of MM. However 
based on my experience with other applications, this is definitively 
not a trivial issue, and it is certainly dependent on the IMAP 
server.


To be clear, a solution would involve some kind of private 
“message” within an IMAP folder on an IMAP server (as also seen 
with other email clients). This could of course be hidden by MailMate, 
but it would be visible in other email clients -- annoying but 
necessary. There is no standardized way to do these things via IMAP. 
This also means that IMAP server bugs are not likely to be a major 
issue.


Any chance of an interim solution involving generating a tar file that 
can then be imported elsewhere?


--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb


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Re: [MlMt] enhancement, I think

2016-07-21 Thread Volker Kopetzky


+1 for the export/import user story. From my side that would suffice:

1. export mailbox configuration on desktop
2. copy one file over to laptop
3. import mailbox configuration into laptop
  - overwrite mailbox settings
 - mailboxes
 - Conditions
 - Submailbox settings
 - Rules
  - ? import tags (if tags have internal IDs, they could also be 
overwritten?)
  - ? how to handle a mailbox that exists on the target but not in the 
source?



On 22 Jul 2016, at 9:12, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:


On 21 Jul 2016, at 6:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 21 Jul 2016, at 12:05, Alain Israel wrote:

I agree, this is probably one of the only weak points of MM. However 
based on my experience with other applications, this is definitively 
not a trivial issue, and it is certainly dependent on the IMAP 
server.


To be clear, a solution would involve some kind of private 
“message” within an IMAP folder on an IMAP server (as also seen 
with other email clients). This could of course be hidden by 
MailMate, but it would be visible in other email clients -- annoying 
but necessary. There is no standardized way to do these things via 
IMAP. This also means that IMAP server bugs are not likely to be a 
major issue.


Any chance of an interim solution involving generating a tar file that 
can then be imported elsewhere?


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Re: [MlMt] search for different Flags

Re: [MlMt] Change font size in new-message headers?

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