login password after latest upgrade

[don bishop]

Hi all,

Just upgraded to the latest el capitan and the upgrade went smoothly. This is 
on a macbook pro. 
Before the upgrade, I could turn on the machine and it would boot ready for 
use. 
After the upgrade, I'm always asked for a password before I can get enterance 
to the machine. Olbiously something chaoged inthe upgrade. 
Does anyone know how to bypass the password request? This is the machine 
password, not the apple-id or icloud passwork. 
Once I enter the machine lonin password, everything seems to work fine. 

Thanks for any help with this, 
Don  

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moving an app to the dock

[don bishop]

Using Mavericks on an imac.  Just got yorufukrou and it’s installed and in the 
applications folder.  I want to move it to the dock.  I select it and then hit 
command shift t but all that does is to show or hide the tab bar.  
What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

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copying music from itunes

[don bishop]

Hi,

I have all my music on idevices and the cloud.  I want to copy some items from 
itunes to an sd card to play in another device, not an idevice.
What’s the best way to copy music out of itunes and onto the card?
Thanks,
Don


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Re: copying music from itunes

[don bishop]

Thanks guys,  that's a real help.

Don


On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi Don,
> 
> The easiest way in my opinion is to place the songs you want into a playlist, 
> then Interact with that same playlist, cmd-a to Select All, cmd-c to Copy 
> these songs, get to the Finder, either create a new folder or open an 
> existing one, then paste them into that folder.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:27 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have all my music on idevices and the cloud.  I want to copy some items 
>> from itunes to an sd card to play in another device, not an idevice.
>> What's the best way to copy music out of itunes and onto the card?
>> Thanks,
>> Don
>> 
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facebook app on the iphone

[don bishop]

Sorry for posting this here, but thee viphone list seems to have gone away or 
something.  
Using the facebook app on a 5s running ios7.  When I select newsfeeds the first 
story may be something like "joe smith commented on on this"  The app says to 
two-finger double tap to  interact with the story.  When I try that I only see 
the options to like hide etc., bt never am able to see what's being commented 
on nor the comments.  Also, there doesn't seem to be a way to back out of that 
screen.  
What am I missing here?

Thanks,
don 

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mrnutab questions/problem

[don bishop]

Hi all,

I am trying  to run menutab pro on my imac under Mavericks.  The only way I can 
get it to work is to access it from finder with control f.  If I open the 
application directly, there are no windows open and I can’t figure out how to 
open one from there.
Is there a way to bypass all the stuff at the top of a facebook page and move 
directly to  the items  in newsfeed?  
Also, whenever I attempt to bring up the menu with vo m the program terminates. 
 

Any ideas as to what I may be doing wrong?

Thanks,

Don


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Re: control no longer stops speech in Mavericks?

[don bishop]

Control will usually stop speech with Mavericks on my imac, but there are times 
when it will not.  I haven't figured out a pattern to this behavior. 
Don


On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Nope.  Control still stops speech for me.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
> 
> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've noticed that since upgrading to Mavericks, hitting the control key no 
>> longer stops speech.  Is anyone else seeing this?  Has that keystroke 
>> changed?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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notification center

[don bishop]

Okay, dumb question of the day.  How do you get into the notification center on 
the imac using Mavericks?  
Thanks, 
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Re: Installing windows 7 home premium into vm fision from an iso

[don bishop]

Alex,
I thought you could install windows itself without sighted help.  Of course, 
you'd need help with installing speech unless you're familiar with the 
keystrokes to get your speech going.  
Isn't this how it works?  Thinking of doing it here.
Thanks,
Don



- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: Installing windows 7 home premium into vm fision from an iso

>
>
> You will need sighted help. Voiceover can handle installations of mac 
> operating systems or updates just fine, but creating a VM is essentially 
> installing Windows, albeit on a virtual disk instead of a physical one. So, 
> Voiceover cannot see anything Windows does because Windows is its own 
> operating system, and so you will not be able to get speech feedback (thanks, 
> Microsoft).
> 
> --
> Have a great day,
> Alex
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > Wow that's really nice. Now with both of us being blind would we still 
> > need sighted assistance during the install process or would voiceover work 
> > to tell us what's going on during this installation?
> >  
> > Take care,
> > Shannon Gerdts
> >  
> > From: Alex Hall
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:07 PM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Installing windows 7 home premium into vm fision from an iso
> >  
> > I did that recently, and it's really simple. You create a new VM, choose to 
> > install from existing file or CD, then navigate to the iso when you are 
> > prompted to open the location of the Windows install disk or file. Pressing 
> > enter launches the process, and Windows installs. That's all there is to it!
> > 
> > --
> > Have a great day,
> > Alex
> > mehg...@gmail.com
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > On Feb 11, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
> > 
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>   Ok so I  purchased a new macbook pro 13" for my wife's birthday.  We're 
> >> now wanting to see about installing windows onto her macbook using fusion 
> >> since that will allow her to run windows and her mac OS side by side so 
> >> that she can switch between the two and run applications as needed.  
> >> However, I'm trying to do some searches for doing such a thing since the 
> >> newest macbook pros no longer come with an optical drive so I'm not sure 
> >> how to go about this task using an iso.
> >>   I did manage to get ahold of the windows 7 version I have in an iso form 
> >> but would love to get some feedback on how I go about using this iso and 
> >> installing it into fusion.
> >>   I want to thank all of you for any help on this matter ahead of time as 
> >> it will be tremendously appreciated from the both of us.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Shannon Gerdts 
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> You will need sighted help. Voiceover can handle installations of mac 
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> Voiceover cannot see anything Windows does because Windows is its own 

Re: Installing windows 7 home premium into vm fision from an iso

[don bishop]

You make some good points and I'll file that away for future reference.  



- Original Message -
From: Alex Hall 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 3:16 pm
Subject: Re: Installing windows 7 home premium into vm fision from an iso

>
>
> If you don't have speech, you are sort of stuck. VMWare can do some 
> configuration, but I installed it once and had to just press enter, and 
> another time it prompted for a whole bunch of settings. Both were Windows 7, 
> both on virtual machines. Once you are up and running, you can launch 
> Narrator and use that to get a real screen reader installed, though the 
> process is horribly tedious. I find it much simpler to just have a sighted 
> person click through everything, then grab NVDA from www.nvda-project.org and 
> install it. Once I have that, I'm all set, but up to that point it is much 
> easier and error-free to have sighted help.
> 
> --
> Have a great day,
> Alex
> mehg...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 6:11 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> > Alex,
> > I thought you could install windows itself without sighted help.  Of 
> > course, you'd need help with installing speech unless you're familiar with 
> > the keystrokes to get your speech going.  
> > Isn't this how it works?  Thinking of doing it here.
> > Thanks,
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Alex Hall 
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:41 pm
> > Subject: Re: Installing windows 7 home premium into vm fision from an iso
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> You will need sighted help. Voiceover can handle installations of mac 
> >> operating systems or updates just fine, but creating a VM is essentially 
> >> installing Windows, albeit on a virtual disk instead of a physical one. 
> >> So, Voiceover cannot see anything Windows does because Windows is its own 
> >> operating system, and so you will not be able to get speech feedback 
> >> (thanks, Microsoft).
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Have a great day,
> >> Alex
> >> mehg...@gmail.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hello,
> >>>Wow that's really nice. Now with both of us being blind would we still 
> >>> need sighted assistance during the install process or would voiceover 
> >>> work to tell us what's going on during this installation?
> >>> 
> >>> Take care,
> >>> Shannon Gerdts
> >>> 
> >>> From: Alex Hall
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:07 PM
> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Installing windows 7 home premium into vm fision from an iso
> >>> 
> >>> I did that recently, and it's really simple. You create a new VM, choose 
> >>> to install from existing file or CD, then navigate to the iso when you 
> >>> are prompted to open the location of the Windows install disk or file. 
> >>> Pressing enter launches the process, and Windows installs. That's all 
> >>> there is to it!
> >>> 
> >>> --
> >>> Have a great day,
> >>> Alex
> >>> mehg...@gmail.com
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>  Ok so I  purchased a new macbook pro 13" for my wife's birthday.  We're 
> >>>> now wanting to see about installing windows onto her macbook using 
> >>>> fusion since that will allow her to run windows and her mac OS side by 
> >>>> side so that she can switch between the two and run applications as 
> >>>> needed.  However, I'm trying to do some searches for doing such a thing 
> >>>> since the newest macbook pros no longer come with an optical drive so 
> >>>> I'm not sure how to go about this task using an iso.
> >>>>  I did manage to get ahold of the windows 7 version I have in an iso 
> >>>> form but would love to get some feedback on how I go about using this 
> >>>> iso and installing it into fusion.
> >>>>  I want to thank all of you for any help on this matter ahead of time as 
> >>>> it will be tremendously appreciated from the both of us.
> >>>> 
> >>>

Re: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone

[don bishop]

Can't speak to your question on bibles but when I start the latest twitter, 
after I'm logged in, I get this welcome screen and it says swipe between 
timelines, but there seems to be no control on the page to do anything at all 
so I'm stuck there.  

Don



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To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:51 pm
Subject: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone

>
>
> Twitter fir iPhone
> I realize that this is off-topic, but I couldn't figure out where else to ask.
> Has anyone had issues to where, if you started the new twitter iPhone app, it 
> only says welcome to Twitter and shows no tabs like home, etc?
> It also says discover new timelines, and shows nothing else.
> Bible.is
> Does anyone have the app called Bible.Is?
> I ask because I cannot figure out how to retweet bible verses from that app. 
> If anyone has that app, I'd appreciate help with it as well.
> Thanks.
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Re: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone

[don bishop]

I should have mentioned I'm using iphone 5s and latest ios.

Don


- Original Message -
From: don bishop 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone

>
>
> Can't speak to your question on bibles but when I start the latest twitter, 
> after I'm logged in, I get this welcome screen and it says swipe between 
> timelines, but there seems to be no control on the page to do anything at all 
> so I'm stuck there.  
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel C 
> To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:51 pm
> Subject: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone
> 
> >
> >
> > Twitter fir iPhone
> > I realize that this is off-topic, but I couldn't figure out where else to 
> > ask.
> > Has anyone had issues to where, if you started the new twitter iPhone app, 
> > it only says welcome to Twitter and shows no tabs like home, etc?
> > It also says discover new timelines, and shows nothing else.
> > Bible.is
> > Does anyone have the app called Bible.Is?
> > I ask because I cannot figure out how to retweet bible verses from that 
> > app. If anyone has that app, I'd appreciate help with it as well.
> > Thanks.
> > 
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Re: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone

[don bishop]

I've beeen experimenting  with the latest version of twitter for the iphone.  I 
finally figured out how to get to your timeline and past the intro screen.
When the  intro screen comes  up, turn voiceover off and then swipe to the 
right.  Finally turn voiceover back on again and you can read your tweets. 
Not sure just how accessible this version of the app with vo, but at least it's 
a start.  
Don

  

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To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:36 pm
Subject: Re: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone

>
>
> Just as I figured in regards to Twitter. Just wanted to be sure it wasn't me. 
> I hope they fix that.
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Re: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone

[don bishop]

What I did was to let the twitter app load until I got that welcome screen.  
That's when I turned vo off and swiped to the right.  Not sureif youhave to 
swipe 1 or 2 times, but then turn vo back on and you should be able to tap on 
the screen to make things happen.  
Kind of confusing, bit it worked for me.

Don



- Original Message -
From: Daniel Chavez 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: OT: New Twitter and Bible.is for iPhone

>
>
> Odd. the swipe to the right didn't work, though when I quickly turned V O off 
> as twitter was loading, then back on, it knew that VO was on, but it made no 
> difference in the end.
> Still stuck I'm afraid.
> Any other ideas?
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Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO

[don bishop]

Hi Robert,

Glad to see you here.  I made the switch from windows a few months ago and 
haven't regretted it.
Are you aware of the interactive tutorial for vo?  To start the tutorial press 
command vof8.  It's divided into several sections with a section to practice 
what's been discssed for that particular tutorial section.  Since you're in the 
tutorial, you don't have to worry about accidently performing some action.  

Check it out if you haven't already. 

Don



- Original Message -
From: Robert C 
To: MacVisionaries 
Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:26 pm
Subject: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO

>
>
> Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem 
> to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and 
> view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years. 
> Thanks for any assistance here.
> 
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Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO

[don bishop]

Robert,
Do you happen  to have a bluetooth neckloop.  Mine works very well.  Don't 
useit much now that I've lived with the speech for a while, but it was a real 
when getting started.
Also I had to adjust some of the speech settings for better understandability, 
especially the  intonation setting, but the settings really are personal.  I do 
suggest playing around with them though.
I haven't tried this myself, but you might also get a wired loop to work 
through theheadphone jack.  
Just some ideas.  
At first, I alsoslowed the speech rate down a bit, but I've gotten used to it, 
so havespeeded it back up.

Don



- Original Message -
From: Robert C 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO

>
>
> Hi Don,
> We seem to both get around, dont we?
> 
> Yes I have played with the tutorial a few times, but due to hearing, 
> did not get a lot from it.
> 
> I wont have any regrets either once I get past this roadblock.
> 
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> On 2/13/2014 5:41 PM, don bishop wrote:
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > Glad to see you here.  I made the switch from windows a few months ago and 
> > haven't regretted it.
> > Are you aware of the interactive tutorial for vo?  To start the tutorial 
> > press command vof8.  It's divided into several sections with a section to 
> > practice what's been discssed for that particular tutorial section.  Since 
> > you're in the tutorial, you don't have to worry about accidently performing 
> > some action.
> >
> > Check it out if you haven't already.
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Robert C 
> > To: MacVisionaries 
> > Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:26 pm
> > Subject: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>  Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem
> >> to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and
> >> view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years.
> >> Thanks for any assistance here.
> >>
> >> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
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facebook question

[don bishop]

I've tried  to do this on the mac and the iphone, but can't figure out how to 
do it. 
I want to hide the posts from a particular person and still be a friend.  I'm 
sure there's a way to do this.  Can I do it from the m.facebook site or the 
standard facebook site, and how do I do it? 
Thanks,
Don

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Re: facebook question

[don bishop]

hi,
I have an iphone 5s running oios 7.06 
Don



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From: Mike 
To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:52 am
Subject: Re: facebook question

>
>
> I don't know how to do this on the computer. What kind of phone do you have 
> the because it's really easy on iOS.
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> www.malarsie.com
> 
> > On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> > 
> > I've tried  to do this on the mac and the iphone, but can't figure out how 
> > to do it. 
> > I want to hide the posts from a particular person and still be a friend.  
> > I'm sure there's a way to do this.  Can I do it from the m.facebook site or 
> > the standard facebook site, and how do I do it? 
> > Thanks,
> > Don
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Re: facebook question

[don bishop]

Mike,

Thanks a lot.  That did the trick, and you're right, it really iseasy.

Don



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From: Mike 
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Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: facebook question

>
>
> In that case all you need to do is find the status in your newsfeed, do a two 
> finger double tap, scroll down to the bottom and select "more". This will 
> take you to a new menu where you can hide that status or the person 
> completely. I have no clue how to undo that though so be warned.
> 
> Mike Malarsie 
> www.malarsie.com
> 
> > On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:13 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> > 
> > hi,
> > I have an iphone 5s running oios 7.06 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mike 
> > To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
> > Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:52 am
> > Subject: Re: facebook question
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I don't know how to do this on the computer. What kind of phone do you 
> >> have the because it's really easy on iOS.
> >> 
> >> Mike Malarsie 
> >> www.malarsie.com
> >> 
> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:27 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I've tried  to do this on the mac and the iphone, but can't figure out 
> >>> how to do it. 
> >>> I want to hide the posts from a particular person and still be a friend.. 
> >>>  I'm sure there's a way to do this.  Can I do it from the m.facebook site 
> >>> or the standard facebook site, and how do I do it? 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Don
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playing dvd's

[don bishop]

Hi,

Is there a way to play a dvd which has multiple programs on it which allows you 
to select a particular program?  I have an imac with the apple external cd/dvd 
drive.  

Also, some tv programs have a third channel for audio description.  Is there a 
way to play that channel along with the stereo channels on the mac?  

Thanks for any info you can provide,

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moving windows favorites to the mac

[don bishop]

I got my mac several months ago and have moved quite a bit of data over from my 
 windows machine.  I have a favorites folder in windows I'd like to move over 
to the mac.  The folder is currently on a portable hard drive so moving them is 
not a problem.
My question is do I move them into bookmarks or favorites.  Mac bookmarks 
appear to be te same thing as windows favorites. so how can I best get tehse 
items into the mac environment so safari will see them.

Thanks,

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Re: moving windows favorites to the mac

[don bishop]

Thanks for all the helpful replies.  Looks like I can't just copy and paste 
them over tothemac.

Don



- Original Message -
From: Chris G 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:53 am
Subject: Re: moving windows favorites to the mac

>
>
> Hi Don,
> I have used a utility called xmarks from www.xmarks.com.
> It is a browser extension that synchronizes favorites from one browser 
> to another, it works in Internet Explorer, Firefox, Chrome on Windows 
> and Safari and Chrome on the mac.
> You create your account, install the extension on each browser/computer 
> and forget about it.
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> On 3/25/2014 10:21 PM, don bishop wrote:
> > I got my mac several months ago and have moved quite a bit of data over 
> > from my  windows machine.  I have a favorites folder in windows I'd like to 
> > move over to the mac.  The folder is currently on a portable hard drive so 
> > moving them is not a problem.
> > My question is do I move them into bookmarks or favorites.  Mac bookmarks 
> > appear to be te same thing as windows favorites. so how can I best get 
> > tehse items into the mac environment so safari will see them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> 
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deleting trash on iphone5s with ios 7.1

[don bishop]

Hi, ,
I've deleted a lot of message in the mail app on the iphone 5s under ios 7..1.  
Is there a way to empty the trash in one or maybe two steps without having to 
delete each  message individually?

Thanks,
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jump to window with braille edge and mac

[don bishop]

Hi, 
I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my 
imac. 
There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the 
vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is 
the key combination?   

Thanks,
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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[don bishop]

Thanks Alex. 
What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  for 
several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come 
across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of actual 
messages.  

Hope that clarifies.  
Don


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From: Alex Hall 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

>
>
> I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your 
> subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you 
> want to assign is "jump to linked item". I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but 
> don't have a display right here to check.
> 
> On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my 
> imac. 
> There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to 
> the vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so 
> what is the key combination?   
> 
> Thanks,
> Don  
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Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac

[don bishop]

Thanks Robert and Alex,

The jump to linked item is what I was looking for.  
Robert, I couldn't agree with you more regarding the command lists.  The whole 
thing is very confusing.  Most lists I've seen talk about the "most commonly 
used commands", but I want a list of each and every available command.  
Oh well, mayhbe someday.

Don


On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Robert C  wrote:

> Don and Alex,
>   There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. 
> HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when 
> the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement.
> 
>   I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it.
> 
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> On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote:
>> Thanks Alex.
>> What I am doing is in mail I use  the classic view and have filters set up  
>> for several mailboxes.  So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I 
>> come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump  to the list of 
>> actual messages.
>> 
>> Hope that clarifies.
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Alex Hall 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm
>> Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your 
>>> subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you 
>>> want to assign is "jump to linked item". I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but 
>>> don't have a display right here to check.
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my 
>>> imac.
>>> There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to 
>>> the vo j command.  Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so 
>>> what is the key combination?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Don
>>> 
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odd email behavior on mac

[don bishop]

Hi all,

I've been having an odd email problem for some time and finally getting annoyed 
to the point that I'm writing to the list.

I'm using an imac with Mavericks and the email app.  I have one account set up 
with a bunch of folders under the inbox and have filters to set up moving 
messages into the correct folder.  

The problem is that when I get mail, some messages go directly to the inbox 
because I haven't set up filters to move them elsewhere.  When I get a message 
into the inbox vo often automatically reads it even when I'm on the list of 
folders.  Using classic view.  I use vo j to move from the folders list to the 
messages for that folder.  
The automatic reading seems to only occur with messages put into the inbox 
itself, but not every message is read.  
I hope I've given enough information for someone to possibly suggest a setting 
I could change to stop this random reading.  Now I just turn down the volume 
when receiving messages, but that's really not a good solution.

Anyone have an idea as to what's going on?

Thanks,

Don


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Re: odd email behavior on mac

[don bishop]

Hi, 
I can get into the notifications center in system preferences  and do see mail, 
but can't seem to change any settings related to it.  I thought I was figuring 
this machine out.
So, once I'm in notification center and locate mail, what do I do?  

Thanks,

Don


On Apr 20, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Don,
> 
> Have a look in System preferences under Notifications, and see what you have 
> set for Mail. I hate Notifications so I put everything in the Not in 
> notifications section.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 21 Apr 2014, at 07:21, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been having an odd email problem for some time and finally getting 
>> annoyed to the point that I'm writing to the list.
>> 
>> I'm using an imac with Mavericks and the email app.  I have one account set 
>> up with a bunch of folders under the inbox and have filters to set up moving 
>> messages into the correct folder.  
>> 
>> The problem is that when I get mail, some messages go directly to the inbox 
>> because I haven't set up filters to move them elsewhere.  When I get a 
>> message into the inbox vo often automatically reads it even when I'm on the 
>> list of folders.  Using classic view.  I use vo j to move from the folders 
>> list to the messages for that folder.  
>> The automatic reading seems to only occur with messages put into the inbox 
>> itself, but not every message is read.  
>> I hope I've given enough information for someone to possibly suggest a 
>> setting I could change to stop this random reading.  Now I just turn down 
>> the volume when receiving messages, but that's really not a good solution.
>> 
>> Anyone have an idea as to what's going on?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don
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deleting an email account on mac

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I have a fair amount of documentation here, but cannot seem to find how to 
delete an email account in  mavericks. How can you do this?
I created something and screwed it up so would like to start over so need to 
get rid of the old one.

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airplay setting on the mac

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I've been having a problem the past few days.  When I boot up, I get vo speech 
for a few seconds and then no speech.  Also the keyboard appears to be 
unresponsive. I do have a braille display and I can sometimes get it to respond 
to  the keyboard without speech.

After a few minutes I get speech back and the machine works perfectly until I 
"put it to sleep".  When it "wakes up" the same problem begins again and the 
machine finally starts working perfectly. 

Today while this was all going on, I happened to notice a message on the 
braille display about airplay.  So far as I know airplay isn't active or at 
least shouldn't be.  Wonder if that could be part of my problem.  Where is the 
airpllay setting located?

If anyone has other suggestions they're welcome.

Thanks,
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VO KNOWLEDGABLE TECH AT APPLE SUPPORT

[don bishop]

- Forwarded Message -
From: don bishop 
To: macvisionarr...@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, May 2, 2014 5:01 pm
Subject: VO KNOWLEDGABLE TECH AT APPLE SUPPORT

>
>
> Hi,  
> I'm having a problem with a setting in mavericks mail.  Does anyone know of a 
> person I could contact in apple support who is knowledgable about voiceover?  
> I know some of their techs are not.  Also, if there's a special phone number 
> to call, I'd appreciate that as well.  
> I do have apple care.  
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> 
> Don 

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problem after most recent Mavericks update

[don bishop]

Hi all,

I'm having a problem where I loose voiceover speech for several seconds 
periodically.  I can't see a pattern to the speech loss, and it eventually 
comes back.  I've been noticing this since the last Mavericks update.  I took 
the machine into the Apple store and the tech cleaned up a bunch of thigs and 
also said that other people have been having problems since the last update 
also.  

I haven't seen anything on the list regarding this, and wonder if others are 
having issues since the last update.  When I do have speech, the imac seems to 
work just fine.

Thanks,

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turning off the mac

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Hi All,

I assume most people turn their mac off at night rather than just putting it 
into sleep mode.  Right?  
If you do turn it off, how do you do it?  I turn mine off using vo command 
eject.  I purchased the learning the mac discussed a few days back, and in 
there she says to press the power button for about 3 seconds to shut down.

Is one method any better than the other?  

Thanks,
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ejecting a sd card

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Hi everyone,

I'm trying to figure out how to eject an sd card from my imac so I don't get 
the error that the disc was ejected improperly.  

I press the eject key on the keyboard, but apparently I have to do more than 
that.  

How can I properly eject a card or drive?

Thanks,
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yosemite safari question

[don bishop]

I should know this, but honestly I don't. When in safari and down a page, like 
the middle for example, how do you quickly jump to the top of the page using 
vo? 

thanks,
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Re: yosemite safari question

[don bishop]

Thanks Alex, that really helps.

Don  


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Date: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: yosemite safari question

>
>
> Use either cmd-up (new in Yosemite) or vo-home. On a laptop, that second one 
> is vo-fn-left. You may need to add shift to it, too; shift takes you to the 
> top, no shift takes you to the visible top. I don't normally notice a 
> difference, but if one fails to do what you're after, try the other. All that 
> said, cmd-up should work just fine.
> > On Mar 30, 2015, at 10:52 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> > 
> > I should know this, but honestly I don't. When in safari and down a page, 
> > like the middle for example, how do you quickly jump to the top of the page 
> > using vo? 
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Don
> > 
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> Use either cmd-up (new in Yosemite) or vo-home. On a laptop, that second one 
> is vo-fn-left.. You may need to add shift to it, too; shift takes you to the 
> top, no shift takes you to the visible top. I don't normally notice a 
> difference, but if one fails to do what you're after, try the other. All that 
> said, cmd-up should work just fine.
> 
> On Mar 30, 2015, at 10:52 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> 
> I should know this, but honestly I don't. When in safari and down a page, 
> like the middle for example, how do you quickly jump to the top of the page 
> using vo? 
> 
> thanks,
> Don
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upgrading to osx 10.4

[don bishop]

Hi all,
I haven't used my mac for a few weeks because of other personal matters. The 
machine was left on and itunes and imovies updates were installed.  

However I want to install osx 10.4, but can't see anythsh inthe menus or app 
store to allow me to install it. What am I missing?  

Many thanks,

Don  

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Re: upgrading to osx 10.4

[don bishop]

Thanks for that, it's a great help. Don't know why it's not showing up inthe 
app store. Seems rather strange. 

Don  



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Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:51 am
Subject: Re: upgrading to osx 10.4

>
>
> I had the same problem. The 10.10.4 update didn't show up in the app 
> store for either of my machines. I ended up just manually downloading 
> the update installer from the Apple web site here:
> 
> https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1819?locale=en_US
> 
> I updated one machine but not the other yet. Install was like any other 
> Apple updater/installer.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/8/15 1:38 PM, Shaf wrote:
> > I think s/he means 10.10.4.
> > Go to App Store > Updates and you should see an update there.
> >
> > On 7/8/2015 6:33 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> >> You wanna install Tiger?
> >>
> >> Uh, why?
> >>
> >> Chris.
> >>
> >> - Original Message - From: "don bishop" 
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 1:29 PM
> >> Subject: upgrading to osx 10.4
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> I haven't used my mac for a few weeks because of other personal 
> >>> matters. The machine was left on and itunes and imovies updates were 
> >>> installed.
> >>>
> >>> However I want to install osx 10.4, but can't see anythsh inthe 
> >>> menus or app store to allow me to install it. What am I missing?
> >>>
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> >>>
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multiple apple id's on 1 mac

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herei,
Is it possible to set up multiple accounts on 1 mac using separate apple id's? 
Thanks,
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Re: Answering a Skype Call on a Mac

[don bishop]

Actually I haven't put skype on my Mac yet, so this is probably a dumb 
question. Thanks for the heads-up on answering a call; how do you end a call?  
Thanks,
Don  

 

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Subject: Re: Answering a Skype Call on a Mac

>
>
> when I get a call, the Skype call pop up automatically pops up, and I just 
> hit return which answers the call.
> > On Aug 15, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Mauricio Molina  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All, 
> >  
> > Using VoiceOver, what is the easiest way to answer a Skype call on a Mac? 
> > In Windows one would have to configure the accessibility shortcut for 
> > answering a call with Alt+Up Arrow under the Tools menu/Options. Is there a 
> > similar configuration change required on a Mac or is there a default 
> > command that works out of the box? 
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Fw: clearing facebook notifications

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Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2015 3:24 pm
Subject: clearing facebook notifications

>
>
> I'm using the m_facebook_com page for reading newsfeeds and it also shows 
> notifications. 
> There used !be a button where you could clear notifications, but they've 
> changed things so I'm now seeing old notifications as well as the new ones. 
> 
> Does anyone know how to clear notifications? 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
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accessing cloud on a windows 10 machine

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Hi all,
Just got a windows laptop and intend to install itunes. Do I need to install 
anything else to access my apple account (music) on icloud? 

Thanks, 
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Re: accessing cloud on a windows 10 machine

[don bishop]

Thanks, exactly what I wanted to know. 


Don  


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To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  
Date: Friday, March 11, 2016 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: accessing cloud on a windows 10 machine

>
>
> iTunes is all you need on Windows to get to your iTunes Music subscription or 
> iTunes Match, if that's what you're asking.
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bootcamp question

[don bishop]

Hi all, 
I purchased my mac with maverick a couple years back. In the carton is a copy 
of bootcamp. I suspect it's badly outdated by now, I'm now running el capitan. 
Where would I go to get a current vwithsion of bootcamp?


Thanks,  

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vmware fusion

[don bishop]

Hi,

I’I’m thinking of getting fusion or maybe installing bootcamp and I have a 
auestion which I think applies to both.

Do you also need to have and install a copy of windows?  
Thanks for any clarification on this,

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battery life for trackpad

[don bishop]

Hi all,

I’ve had this imac for a bit over a month and just today I see the trackpad not 
working properly.  I’m guessing it’s the internal battery which drives the 
bluetooth.  First, not sure exactly how to access the batteries and secondly, 
what sort of life should I expect from these batteries.   
Thanks,

Don 

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Re: Stopping VO Speech

[don bishop]

Using an imac and mavericks, I've seen this but it'snot consistent. Sometimes 
control will work, but it's sluggish.  
Don



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Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:05 am
Subject: Stopping VO Speech

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>
> Hello,
> 
> I am having a bit of trouble with stopping VO when it gets too verbose. I am 
> running Mavericks on a 2012 MacBookPro with Retina.
> 
> Whenever I try and stop VO from talking by pressing the Control key nothing 
> happens. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what the problem may be. I 
> have already tried resetting VO to the defaults but this doesn't change the 
> behavior .
> 
> Thanks for any help,
> 
> Scott Rumery
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getting mac to see other pc's on my home network

[don bishop]

Hi,
I have at&t UVerse as my provider and using the router they provide.  The imac 
connects to it just fine and writing this on it now.  However, I also have 2 
windows pc’s on the network.  They can “see” each other just fine, but I can’t 
get the mac to  see them. I don’t see anything on the imac in network settings 
which I should change, but I’m still rather new with the mac so might be 
missing something.  
Also looked at the sharing options on the imac and believe they’re set 
correctly.  

Btw, using Mavericks here.

Any help would be appreciated. 

Thanks,
Don


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locating hardware stats

[don bishop]

Hi,

I’m looking at installing Fusion 6, but before I do anything, I’d like to get 
some idea of the hardware status such as available memory, disc space etc.  

I’m sure it’s there somewhere, but can’t seem to locate it.  I’m getting pretty 
comfortable with the Imac now, but still have a lot to learn and old windows 
habbits to break.   

Thanks for any help,

Don


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delay in obtaining mail in apple mal

[don bishop]

Hi,

I have the mail configuration set to check for new mail every minute.  This is 
with Mavericks.  
But, after I either start the machine and mail app or after I “wake up” the 
machine, it can take several minutes to get the mail downloaded.  I know the 
messages are just sitting there on the server because I can see them on my 
notetaker which is set to leave messages on server.

Is anyone else seeing this delay in gettint messages?

Thanks,
Don 

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safari question

[don bishop]

Hi again,

This time a Safari question with Mavericks.  
When I was running Mountain Lion and started Safari, it would come up with my 
home page displaying.  Now, under Mavericks, Safari just opens on the tool bar. 
 Is there a setting I can change to get the display of home page back again?
Thanks,
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best way to import music into itunes

[don bishop]

I have a couple of mp3 tracks on an sd which I’d like to import into my itunes 
library.  Would I use “add to library” and then paste the filenames in or is 
there a better way.

Thanks much,

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connecting speaker via bluetooth

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Hi,

I’ve done this before when running Mountain Lion but not with Mavericks.  I’m 
trying to connect my big jambox as a speaker, but for some reason I can’t 
locate how to get the Imac into pairing mode.  
Could someone please refresh my memory?

Thanks,

Don


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Re: connecting speaker via bluetooth

[don bishop]

Hi Les,

Actually, I was talking about doing it from the mac end; probably wasn’t clear. 
 How do you get the mac to search for the big jambox and then connect to it?   
Is it in systems preferences under bluetooth somewhere?  That’s what I can’t 
find.

Don  


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> Hi Don,
> 
> Under the on/off button is another button.  Hold that button in for a few 
> seconds until you hear "Jambox is in pairing mode, waiting for device to 
> connect?.  I know what you mean, I haven't done this procedure for a while 
> either.
> 
> Les
> On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve done this before when running Mountain Lion but not with Mavericks.  
>> I’m trying to connect my big jambox as a speaker, but for some reason I 
>> can’t locate how to get the Imac into pairing mode.  
>> Could someone please refresh my memory?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don
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adding a bluetooth device

[don bishop]

I’ve done this before but for the life of me I can’t remember what I did.  
Using Mavericks I want to connect my big jambox as a speaker but can’t remember 
what I do in system preferences/bluetooth to do this.
Could someone please refresh my memory?  Maybe it’s just late in the week.  
 
Using an imac.  

Thanks,

Don


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uninstalling a program on the mac

[don bishop]

I have an iphone so am used to getting apps from the app store, and I assume I 
can install in the same way on the mac.  
However I’d like to know how you uninstall a program on the mac if you decide 
you  don’t want it.  

Thanks,
Don


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apps for facebook and twitter

[don bishop]

Hi,
I’ve tried accessing both facebook and twitter using safari and find the 
interface not the most friendly.
I use the facebook app and also twitterific or tweetlist on my iphone and find 
there is a lot less clutter.
What apps are people using on the mac to access either or both of these 
services?
Thanks,
Don

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Re: apps for facebook and twitter

[don bishop]

thanks Dave, these sound interesting and will definitely check them out.  I’m 
pretty new at the mac, so still trying to get acquainted with what apps are 
available as well as which are accessible.

Thanks,

Don


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> Hi,
> 
> On the Mac I use YoruFukurou for Twitter. You can search on night owl if that 
> is easier. For FB I use MenuTab Pro for Facebook. While this is a menubar 
> app, you can set it so that you press control-f and it comes to the 
> foreground. It basically gives you the web interface, though you can easily 
> switch between mobile and desktop modes. Most parts of the FB site are easy 
> to navigate if you learn the heading structure, particularly the news feed.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
> 
> On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:19, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I’ve tried accessing both facebook and twitter using safari and find the 
>> interface not the most friendly.
>> I use the facebook app and also twitterific or tweetlist on my iphone and 
>> find there is a lot less clutter.
>> What apps are people using on the mac to access either or both of these 
>> services?
>> Thanks,
>> Don
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fusion question

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I’ve recently moved to a mac from windows and don’t regret the change at all. 
However, there are a few windows apps I’d still like to run, so I will probably 
go with Fusion 6., especially since no sighted assistance is required to 
install.
I still have my old pc running windows 7 and would like to use the fusion 
migrating assistant to get windows onto the machine.  Before I start I’d like 
to know if there are any issues using the assistant and also if it’s possible 
to run it without sighted assistance.

Many thanks,

Don


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Re: fusion and windows iso

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Hi, 
Please escuse my ignorance, but what is an iso?  
Thanks,
Don  



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Date: Saturday, November 30, 2013 6:46 am
Subject: fusion and windows iso

>
>
> Hi,
> I have an ISO of win 7 and want to use that to install windows 7 in fusion...
> 
> How do I go about this?  I really don't want to have to burn it to a dvd if I 
> don't have to!
> 
> thanks in advance!
> Caitlyn
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Re: fusion and windows iso

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Hi,
I assume you get the .iso from microsoft as they appear to be free downloads.  
Do you need some sort of authorization key to activate it?  If so, where can I 
locate it.  I still have a pc running windows 7.  
Thanks,
Don



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Subject: Re: fusion and windows iso

>
>
> Hey Kaitlyn. When I installed Windows 7 onto my Mac, I just told Fusion 
> to use the Iso file that was located in my downloads folder. So the 
> answer to your question is no, you don't have to burn it onto a DVD.
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auto system checking

[don bishop]

Hi,

Seems to me I remember reading somewhere that the imac will do a check of the 
system automatically.  Is this true?  If so is that on by default or do you 
have to set it up.  If so, where do you do this?

Thanks,

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Re: auto system checking

[don bishop]

Thanks,  that’s is what I was hoping.  

Don

On Dec 3, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The MacOS also does daily, weekly and monthly software tuneups.  These are 
> pre-defined operations done at some un-godly hour of the night/morning when 
> most of us should be sleeping.  If your computer is off or closed when these 
> operations normally run, they are performed when the unit is first awakened 
> or started up.  There is a set of Terminal commands you can run to run these 
> operations on demand but it is unnecessary, really.
> 
> Later…
>  
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 3, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Jessica D  wrote:
> 
>> There are problems with his page. Can you send a different one with the same 
>> information?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe you're referring to something else but the Mac does a hardware 
>>> self-check each time it boots up. So if you do a shutdown (not sleep) and 
>>> then bring it back up, when you hear the startup sound that means the 
>>> hardware check passed. More info here:
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_startup
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>>> On 12/2/13 8:43 PM, don bishop wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Seems to me I remember reading somewhere that the imac will do a check of 
>>>> the system automatically.  Is this true?  If so is that on by default or 
>>>> do you have to set it up.  If so, where do you do this?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Don
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moving an item to the dock

[don bishop]

Hi,
Just purchased Radium for the mac.  The program downloaded okay and it 
installed all automatically.
It’s in the applications folder where it should be (I think) 
I’m trying to move it to the dock, but commmand shift t doesn’t seem to do 
anything.  What am I missing?

Thanks,

Don


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Re: moving an item to the dock

[don bishop]

Hi I tried the control shift t and all it does is make the ding sound.  I’m 
pretty sure I had radium selected before doing this.  Also, I have all the 
default icons on the dock.  Do I need to remove some of them to make room for 
the radium icon?

Simply unsure as to what I’m doing wrong here.

Don


On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Gerry Cook  wrote:

> comand control shift t will add it to the dock. 
> cheers gerry have a nice day
> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
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> Twitter: @gerrycook52
> 
> On 8 Dec 2013, at 5:07 pm, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Just purchased Radium for the mac.  The program downloaded okay and it 
>> installed all automatically.
>> It’s in the applications folder where it should be (I think) 
>> I’m trying to move it to the dock, but commmand shift t doesn’t seem to do 
>> anything.  What am I missing?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don
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Re: moving an item to the dock

[don bishop]

Thanks tim,  That worked perfectly.  I’m a happy camper again!  
Don

On Dec 8, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> It’s cmd-ctrl-shift-t, you were missing the cmd key in your sequence.  
> There’s no need to take anything off as you can put tons of items there if 
> you wish.
> 
> Later…
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:22 AM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi I tried the control shift t and all it does is make the ding sound.  I’m 
>> pretty sure I had radium selected before doing this.  Also, I have all the 
>> default icons on the dock.  Do I need to remove some of them to make room 
>> for the radium icon?
>> 
>> Simply unsure as to what I’m doing wrong here.
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Gerry Cook  wrote:
>> 
>>> comand control shift t will add it to the dock. 
>>> cheers gerry have a nice day
>>> Email: gerryc...@optusnet.com.au
>>> Skype: gerry.cook1 
>>> Twitter: @gerrycook52
>>> 
>>> On 8 Dec 2013, at 5:07 pm, don bishop  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Just purchased Radium for the mac.  The program downloaded okay and it 
>>>> installed all automatically.
>>>> It’s in the applications folder where it should be (I think) 
>>>> I’m trying to move it to the dock, but commmand shift t doesn’t seem to do 
>>>> anything.  What am I missing?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Don
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an embarrassing question

[don bishop]

Hi,
I haven’t been a mac user for too long, and when I started out I really didn’t 
know the commands well at all, so ended up pressing wrong keys very often.  
Anyway, during all that nonsense I managed to screw up the word Macintosh in 
the finder.  Problem is I can’t figure out how to correct the problem.  It now 
says acintosh and I can’t figure out how to put the m back in there.  

Could someone please help out a dumb user?

Thanks,Don  

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Re: an embarrassing question

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Cheryl and les,

Thanks for your help, that did the trick.

Don


On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> It actually says Macintosh HD, right? And it's on your desktop?
> 
> Okay, vokeys-arrow over to it and press return. It will say acintosh HD 
> contents selected. Don't start typing or you'll have to type the whole thing 
> because you will be replacing the name instead of adding to  it. Left arrow 
> and make sure you are at the beginning of acintosh and type the capital m 
> (it's okay to then left and right arrow through the word to make sure it's 
> right but don't use vo-keys, just arrows) and then press return again. Don't 
> panic if you then get "finder has no windows" just command-tab away and back 
> again and everything should look fine.
> 
> Nothing dumb about this. I accidentally did this and ended up searching on 
> google to make sure I hadn't messed up my path to all my files; the panic 
> wasn't necessary but it scared me! I was NOT a new Mac user when I did it 
> plus I had run linux and windows but it still made my heart miss a beat or 
> two!
> 
> -- 
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> 
> Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
> meet Immanuel (God with us),
> Jesus, the crucified Savior,
> Christ, the risen Lord.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:17 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I haven’t been a mac user for too long, and when I started out I really 
>> didn’t know the commands well at all, so ended up pressing wrong keys very 
>> often.  Anyway, during all that nonsense I managed to screw up the word 
>> Macintosh in the finder.  Problem is I can’t figure out how to correct the 
>> problem.  It now says acintosh and I can’t figure out how to put the m back 
>> in there.  
>> 
>> Could someone please help out a dumb user?
>> 
>> Thanks,Don  
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fusion and windows install

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Hi, 
I am considering loading fusion on to this imac and then loading windows from 
the original discs.  
My question: does the fusion installer ask for windows discs (or whatever you 
wish to install) and is this done under osx so you have speech throughout the 
windows install?

Thanks,
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locating edit boxes on web pages

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Hi,

Is there an easy and quick way to locate a field on a web page where you need 
to enter data such as a username or even a search argument.  
Currently withsafari and mavericks I just poke around until I find it.  This is 
especially a problem with a new web page or  one I don’t visit often.

Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.  
Thanks,
Don

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Re: locating edit boxes on web pages

[don bishop]

Hi all,

Thanks for the responses to my question.  It really helps a lot.

Don

On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Jessica D  wrote:

> Another thing you could do, that makes this easy for me, his use the web 
> Brodeur and make sure that text boxes is in there. The option is called "text 
> fields "
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Don,
>> 
>> You can turn quicknav on by pressing both left and right-arrow keys, then 
>> navigate to form fields by pressing up-arrrow and one of the side arrows 
>> till you get there. At this point, you can use the up and down arrow keys to 
>> find form fields. The other thing you can do is press command-VO-J to move 
>> between form fields. Command-VO-shift-J works to go backward. As far as I 
>> know, there's no command for moving between text boxes.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>>> On 12/14/2013 06:31 PM, don bishop wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is there an easy and quick way to locate a field on a web page where you 
>>> need to enter data such as a username or even a search argument.
>>> Currently withsafari and mavericks I just poke around until I find it.  
>>> This is especially a problem with a new web page or  one I don’t visit 
>>> often.
>>> 
>>> Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Don
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Re: Downloading Audible Audiobooks on the Mac

[don bishop]

I recently moved from windows to the mac.  I used audible managerwith windows 
which was a real clunk.  
Do your instructions mean that you can do it all with safari and don't have to 
use any audible software?  If so, that would be great!  
Don  


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From: Cheryl Homiak 
To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" 
Date: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: Downloading Audible Audiobooks on the Mac

>
>
> The directions I sent were for using safari. It appears now that if you hit 
> download on a book the whole book is downloaded; there is probably still a 
> way to download by part but it isn't necessary unless you only want one part.
> 
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> Christ, the risen Lord.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 25, 2013, at 10:05 PM, Nicholas Parsons 
>  wrote:
> 
> > I now have a partial answer to my own question, which I will write here as 
> > it might benefit others and might help me remember for next time too. :) 
> > However, if anyone else has any other tips please still let me know.
> > 
> > I tried viewing my Library in Google Chrome. I was able to interact with 
> > the table which displays my audiobooks and by using VO-SHIFT-SPACE ensure 
> > that parts were shown for the book I was trying to download. I was then 
> > able to tab to the various parts of the audiobooks, and following each part 
> > the download link. When on the download link, the VoiceOver curser would 
> > announce that "blank" was in the VoiceOver curser, and "blank" was under 
> > the mouse, however the download link would be in the keyboard curser. I was 
> > unable to move the VoiceOver curser to the keyboard curser with 
> > VO-SHIFT-F4. Pressing space didn't seem to activate the download link, 
> > however, pressing return brought up a save dialog box and I was able to 
> > save the files and they then proceeded to download.
> > 
> > So, to summarise the exact steps:
> > " Launch Google Chrome and navigate to your Audible Library;
> > " Navigate to the table with your audiobooks and interact with it;
> > " Navigate by link to the audiobook you wish to download, continue 
> > navigating by link past all the 1 star 2 star etcetera rating links until 
> > you get to the "Write a review" link;
> > " Tab to the file you wish to download, and then tab once more to the 
> > download link;
> > " Press return to open the save dialog box, and save it wherever you like. 
> > The download should begin.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Nic
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iphone list

[don bishop]

Hi,

I know there are quite a few people who are also on the viphone list.  

I haven’t gotten anything from viphone for a day or two and am wondering if the 
list is down or if I somehow got unsubscribed.  

Thanks,

Don 

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Re: iphone list

[don bishop]

well, sounds like something’s going on on that end.  Hopefully they will fix it 
soon.
Don

On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:20 PM, Scott Erichsen  wrote:

> I have the same problem here. I can post to the iPhone list, but can't 
> receive anything. If somebody could look into it, that would be fantastic!
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2013, at 4:06 pm, don bishop  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I know there are quite a few people who are also on the viphone list.  
>> 
>> I haven’t gotten anything from viphone for a day or two and am wondering if 
>> the list is down or if I somehow got unsubscribed.  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don 
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Re: Background Sounds Getting Softer

[don bishop]

wish there was a similar setting in ios7 for the iphone.  
Don



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Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: Background Sounds Getting Softer

>
>
> This is called audio ducking. You can change the setting by going to your VO 
> utility, select sound, and uncheck audio ducking.
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> 
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 4:37 PM, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm noticing on the new OS X that when Voiceover speaks, all the other 
> > sounds go into the background. This is quite annoying. Is there a setting 
> > to change this?
> > 
> > Brandon
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power saver sliders in system preferences (mavricks)

[don bishop]

I see a couple sliders in the power saver section of system preferences. 
However they’re apparently not labeled as vo isn’t speaking the field names, 
just the slider values.

Anyone know what each one does and their order?

Thanks,
Don


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Re: power saver sliders in system preferences (mavricks)

[don bishop]

Using the latest Mavericks, but for whatever reason the slider labels aren’t 
being read.  Seems to me I remember that they were read under ml.  

Don


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> What version of OSX are you on? On my OSX 10.8 laptop the sliders read just 
> fine. The first one is Computer sleep and the second is display sleep.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/9/14 12:39 PM, don bishop wrote:
>> I see a couple sliders in the power saver section of system preferences. 
>> However they’re apparently not labeled as vo isn’t speaking the field names, 
>> just the slider values.
>> 
>> Anyone know what each one does and their order?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Don
>> 
>> 
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buying mp3 from amazon.com

[don bishop]

Hi,
I’ve bought mp3 files from amazon.com before under windows, but not sure how to 
do it using the mac.  
Any tips or suggestions?  Is there an app you download or is it done somehow 
via itunes?
Thanks,
Don


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Re: Braille sense with the mac

[don bishop]

Guess this problem doesn't apply to the braille edge as have been using it 
successfully with bluetooth since upgrading to Mavericks.
Don



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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:55 pm
Subject: RE: Braille sense with the mac

>
>
> Hi Matt,
> Sorry to give you bad news, but the BrailleSense devices will not work under 
> mavericks as Bluetooth braille displays at the moment.
> It will work via USB.
> Apple are awhere and we just have to wait for an update.
> Sorry about that.
> Scott
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dierckens
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 7:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Braille sense with the mac
>  
> Hello guys.
> I have a client who has a Braille sense U2, and we're trying to pair it with 
> his macbook air running Mavriks.
> The only problem is:
> 1. We need a pass code. I assume its ?
> 2. Whenever he types in , the window disappears, and promptly appears 
> again. What should we do?
> Also, is there a command list of the Braille sense keys for VO? I have a 
> Brailliant display but not sure how to use the Braille sense with VO. Any 
> help appreciated. Thank you.
> Matt Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
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icloud mail questions

[don bishop]

I have my own domain and use mail forwarding through my sbcglobal account.  I 
seem to be loosing messages with sbcglobal which is a part of at&t.  So, I'm 
considering setting up an icloud account on the mac and iphone.  I'm wondering 
if there are any limitations on message size or attachment size.  

Also, does icloud filter out any messages?  
Anything I should be aware of before committing my mail to an icloud account?

Thanks,

Don


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testing to see if I'm still on list

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Haven't received amy messages for this list for some time and wondering if I'm 
still subscribed.

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smtp mail port settings in apple mail

[don bishop]

I have an account i'm trying to set up under apple mail. This provider doesn't 
use ssl.  I can receive mail just fine, but can't locate the port number or 
optional login info for the smtp (outgoing) side of things.  
Any help would be greatly appreciated on how to get to the smtp settings using 
vo.   I'm writing this on my braille sense mini until I get the smtp set up 
correctly.  

Thanks,
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email test please ignore

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Teing only. Do not respond.

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connectives in mac mail rules

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Hi all,

I'm setting up several rules to filter mail.  I'd like to filter mail from more 
than one list into a folder.  How do I indicate connectors for multiple 
conditions such as and, or etc?

Thanks,

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Re: connectives in mac mail rules

[don bishop]

No, my problem is how to connect the two criterian.  Example:

If condition 1 or condition 2.  How would I select the "or" connector?  I'm 
sure there's gotta be a way.  


On Oct 2, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

>   Hello,
> if I understand what you want correctly.
> When you are creating or editing a filter as you tab through the fields you 
> will hear add criterion. Click on that and you can add another rule in that 
> field.
> Hope that is what you need.
> Max.
> 
> On 03/10/2013, at 1:43 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm setting up several rules to filter mail.  I'd like to filter mail from 
>> more than one list into a folder.  How do I indicate connectors for multiple 
>> conditions such as and, or etc?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don 
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macbook pro question

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Hi all,  
Don't think my original message went through so here goes again.
I am getting a macbook pro and I have heard that voiceover will come up 
automatically several seconds after the machine starts so you can use the setup 
assistant with speech. 
Is this truch? I'd really like to do the whole thing withou sighted assistance. 
 

Thanks,  

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transfering settings from mac to macbook pro

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Hi everyone,
I have a mac and getting and macbookpro and I'd like to transfer things like my 
email settings from the mac to the new machine as I have several mailboxes set 
up using filters and really don't want to have to crccte them again if I can 
help it.
Can I do this using wifi or do I need some sort of cable such as firewire? 

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Fw: battery status on macbook pro

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>
> My macbook pro is supposed to arrive tomorrow. One of the first things I want 
> to do after setup is check the battery status.  Is there an easy way to do 
> that?  
> 
> Thanks, 
> Don  
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Re: battery status on macbook pro

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got it! Thanks 


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Date: Monday, May 23, 2016 6:47 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: battery status on macbook pro

>
>
> VO plus m twice to reach the menu extras then VO right until you 
> find the battery.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/23/2016 6:41 PM, don bishop wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> My macbook pro is supposed to arrive tomorrow. One of the first things I 
> >> want to do after setup is check the battery status.  Is there an easy way 
> >> to do that?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Don
> >>
> >
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turning off vo hints on the mac

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Hi all, 
How do you turn off the vo hints on the mac. I set the verbosity options to low 
whereever I found them, but this doesn't shut off the long command 
descriptions. I can't find where to turn these off. Any help will be greatly 
appreciated. 

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navi%gating in itunes 12.4

[don bishop]

Just got a macbook which has itunes 12.4 and trying to figure out how to get to 
my music: I click on "my music", but can't seem to locate anything. 
Also, I go to "for you" and only can find one item. 
I assume I'll figure it out eventually, but in the meantime, does anyone have 
any pointers on navigation with voiceover?  

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unauthorizing devices from itunes

[don bishop]

Over the years I guess I authorized several machines in itunes including a 
couple windows machines which have now bitten the dust. 
I've reached my limit of 5 authorizations and would like to authorize my 
macbook pro. Is there any way I can unauthorize the old machines or do I need 
to call applecare and have them do it? 

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Re: unauthorizing devices from itunes

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Thanks guys. This is a real help. 
Don

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Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016 9:38 am
Subject: Re: unauthorizing devices from itunes

>
>
> Hi,
> 
> No need to call Apple Care.  Go into iTunes, press the iTunes Store button, 
> interact with the HTML content, navigate to the bottom of the HTML area and 
> locate the Account link.  Activate this link and enter your Apple ID 
> credentials.  Interact with the Summary area and find the Computer 
> Authorizations section.  There is a "De-Authorization All" link there.  
> Activate it and confirm.  This will, of course, de-authorize all of your 
> computers, so, you'll just need to re-authorize the ones you want and you're 
> good to go.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 29, 2016, at 10:30, don bishop  wrote:
> 
> Over the years I guess I authorized several machines in itunes including a 
> couple windows machines which have now bitten the dust. 
> I've reached my limit of 5 authorizations and would like to authorize my 
> macbook pro. Is there any way I can unauthorize the old machines or do I need 
> to call applecare and have them do it? 
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copying settings from mac to macbook pro

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Does anyone know which program you use to copy settings from a mac to macbook 
pro? I looked through applications and especially utilities, but don't see 
anything that looks like what I'm looking for.

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seeing icloud contents on new macbook pro

[don bishop]

Hi, it's me again.
I have had a mac and iphone for severeral years and they both see the same 
music on the cloud. 
On my new macbook pro I can't see any of my music on the cloud. 
I have signed onto my account and again in icloud. I also authorized the new 
machine, but still not seeing any of my music inthe library. I'm obviously 
missing something. Does anyone have an idea as to what I'm missing?  

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Fw: seeing my contacts on my new mac

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>
> Hi all,
> The macbook pro is working well, but one problem. I have an imac and iphone. 
> I see my contacts on both. But, can't see them on the new macbook. Contacts 
> seems 6be set in icloud on the new mac, so not sure what I need to do to see 
> my contacts.  
> Any suggestions? 
> 
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Re: Search tab in iOS app store seems totally busted!

[don bishop]

Yes, I've noticed that too.  

Don  


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Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 11:43 am
Subject: Search tab in iOS app store seems totally busted!

>
>
> So... When I go, in iOS10 to the app store, then to the search tab, I only 
> some of the time now see my search box at the top of the screen.  If I do see 
> it, I double tap.  The keyboard comes up, but if I then flick back up to the 
> text box, it doesn't say is editting.  If I try using Siri to dictate, 
> nothing gets inserted into the box.  If I manually type my query in, it'll 
> then type in the box, but the search button isn't showing at the bottom of 
> the keyboard.  in fact, as soon as I put my finger in the bottom right 
> quadrant of the screen to tap search, the keyboard disappears entirely, and I 
> land on the update tab instead.  I know I quote, need to just move my finger 
> up a little bit.  Trust me, I am profoundly familiar with the app store, and 
> how it works.  I'm doing this 100% correctly, I assure you beyond a doubt.
>  
> Plus, I have enough low vision to see what it's doing.  I'm definitely doing 
> it correctly.
>  
> The one time I somehow managed to get the search to carry out, mind you I 
> dono what the heck I did to do so, there were no results.  The key word I 
> searched for, just to see if I could make anything come up, not that I was 
> gonna download it was, Pokimon G.  No results came up after doing the search. 
>  Further, when I clicked clear search after the search field, it wouldn't 
> clear out what I typed.
>  
> I've rebooted the phone.  NO good.  I disconnected and reconnected to my 
> wifi.  No good.  I tried on cellular.  No good.  I even factory reset the 
> phone.  NO good, and no, after doing so, I didn't restore from a backup.  I 
> don't do that with major updates like this.  I just start over clean.
>  
> It wasn't doing this earlier this morning,  and what's weirded on the mac is, 
> when I open ITunes, I can't even get to the store anymore with 
> command+Shift+Have in the update that just came out.  It bwonks at me, if I 
> try.  I literally have to vo+Right arrow to the store radio button, then 
> VO+Space on it.  Incredibly, incredibly! clunky!
>  
> Is anyone else seeing this stuff?
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hotkey to start safari

[don bishop]

Hi all, 
How do you activate the hotkey (command so) to start safari?
I think it's a setting in system preference but not sure which one. 

Thanks, 
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