Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

I believe it’s configurable with in google mail but as I understand it there is 
an anti spam component to this.  You should be able to configure the behavior 
with in google though.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> This happens with people that are using Google mail. Normally I am able to 
> figure out whether addresses and news D right arrow key to copy just the 
> address after hitting reply. And that normally works.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com 
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
> 
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> I know, I wrote the list apologizing.  I'm not sure why some people it says 
>> name via mac visionaries, where others the headers actually contain their 
>> physical e-mail address.  It doesn't make any sense to me.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Joseph Hudson 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read
>>> 
>>> Chris, be sure you check the headers because that ended up in my inbox I 
>>> hope he sees it so that she can write you a off list.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
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>>> 
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
 On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
 Hi Peggy,
 
 I am writing you this off list.
 
 Where are you located?  I ask this as I'm trying to coordinate a schedule 
 timeframe that would be best suited for most people.  It's looking right 
 now like we're thinking either Tuesday or Wednesday evenings after work 
 hours, obviously.  If this doesn't work for you, let me know, and all of 
 us can try to negotiate.  Obviously I'm never gonna find something that 
 every single person totally agrees upon, but I'd like to get as close as I 
 can.  Ideally, I'd like the first one hour long lesson to be next week.
 
 Chris.
 
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Don’t blame you, don’t like the non standard stuff either.  Not a huge FaceTime 
user for the same reason.  Likes my protocols open.:)

I had to manage some Skype to SIP gateways and it was unpleasant.


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 4:14 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> No Skype.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 16:04, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have Skype call? And when ever is good for you I will try to work 
>> with my schedule to make things work. Before anybody asks or you ask my 
>> services are free unless I have to come there to assist you.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
>>> time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on 
>>> the Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and 
>>> be more independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my 
>>> Mac, the person made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave 
>>> me a lesson to remember.
>>> 
>>> So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.
>>> 
>>> Kawal. 
 On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
 wrote:
 
 Guys,
 
 I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the days 
 of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
 
 I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
 story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few.  I'd 
 say out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 
 minutes to an hour out of that timeframe.
 
 So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
 telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, or 
 Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
 basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
 Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge 
 for this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for you 
 all in a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  I 
 would make them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a small 
 portion of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be helping 
 you all better understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  Over time, 
 the coriculum would be:
 
 Deciding which mac is right for you
 The differences in keyboard layouts
 Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
 Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
 Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
 Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
 Basic VO keyboard navigation
 Basic VO trackpad navigation
 Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
 Completing the first time setup assistant
 Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
 The basics of Quick Nav
 Accessing and navigating menu bars
 Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
 Connecting to a wifi network
 Configuring Finder view options to your liking
 Accessing right click context menus
 Navigating the dock, and what is it
 Switching between opened applications
 The Running applications window
 Switching between opened windows within an application
 The Window chooser
 System Preferences, and useful configurations
 The Finder, and basic navigation
 Opening files/folders
 Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
 The Finder sidebar
 The finder browser
 Icon, list, and column views within the Finder
 Changing between the three different views
 Renaming files/folders
 Copy/pasting files/folders
 Selecting files/folders contiguously
 Selecting file/folders noncontiguously
 Adding items to the dock
 Aliuses, what are they, and how to create them
 Properly disconnecting USB drives, and external media
 Closing opened windows
 Quitting applications
 Force quitting applications, and when to do so
 An entire class hour long devoted to the Voiceover Utility
 An entire class devoted to the concept of interacting
 Routing the mouse pointer
 Querying location of keyboard, Voiceover, and mouse focus
 Getting very detailed coordinant locations of cursors
 Moving and resizing windows with no sighted help
 Hiding vs. minimizing
 Zooming vs. maximizing
 Closing vs. quitting
 Setting some useful preferences for Safari
 Two dedicated classes to surfing the web
 One dedicated class to working with E-mail
 Three dedicat

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Totally bogus statement.

Apple has things as a closed system as a pure money making move only.  It has 
nothing to do with liability, consumer ability or anything imaginary like that.

Apple sells memory upgrades for $1000, this same upgrade costs $150 from 
Crucial or it did when I did the work myself.  This is a huge money center for 
our favorite fruit manufacturer.  Same with the SSD.  For a 1 TB SSD they 
charge a grand premium, you can buy the same size drive that performs better 
and has a faster write rate than the Apple offering for $300.  By requiring a 
wave soldering machine to replace parts you put the ability of replacing the 
hardware outside the abilities of most people because they don’t have a 7 
figure soldering machine.  So you are forced to buy the Apple offering and 
forced to pay their prices even though there are better, far less expensive 
options.
Cisco Systems does this very same thing with their memory modules.

I happen to have access to a wave soldering machine so I can remove parts from 
PC (perforated circuit) boards the same way Apple does it.  But again these are 
7 figure devices usually used in manufacturing.  I bet there are consumer 
options available just like you can by a consumer 3D printer or milling machine 
but still big $$$.

So to put it simply, Apple has you by the short and curly’s.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:14 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> No no.  Apple could definitely fix the unit.
> 
> They just don't want consumers doing it themselves, as it could void the 
> warranty, and plus, if you don't know what you're doing... generally, it's 
> quite easy, but they close the units like that more as a liability thing.
> 
> And besides, the odds that the memory chip would go bad like that are 
> incredibly slim.  I didn't say it's impossible, I'll grant you that, but I've 
> had the same mac system as one of the units I use since April of 2011, and 
> that thing hasn't even remotely came close! to biting the dust.  Most mac 
> computers hold up really really well!
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Arnold Schmidt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 12:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the
> Apple store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know
> I would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went
> bad.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of
> devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able
> to, or the mac mini like you could before,
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM
> upgrades.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
 They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, very good question.

You probably your self don’t have the tools any more to work on Apple hardware. 
 They wave solder the hardware right to the boards now so where you used to 
have memory slots and removable drives you now just have a PC board with 
everything hard wired.  You can however take it to an Apple repair tech and 
they can handle replacing parts.  You’ll probably pay more because they will 
have to replace a full board instead of just a component.  More importantly, 
you’ll have to pay the Apple prices for upgrades and have to pay them up front 
instead of upgrade the machine later.  Older Apple products do not have this 
restriction.  For an example, I upgraded a 2011 Macbook Pro with 32 GB of RAM 
(something Apple won’t even offer) and a TB, faster SSD disk for about $450 
total instead of over 2000 if Apple provided the parts.  Apple will only sell 
you 16GB as well and the SSD they use is a bit slower.

It’s all about the Benjamins baby.  (as the song says)

One good thing though about the design, there’s a lot fewer things to break.  A 
memory module or CPU will probably not fail.  The most likely thing in the box 
to fail is the fan or the power supply.  An apple tech or of course Apple 
themselves will service your machine just fine though.

Also, in many cities, Boston being one, you can call a service and they come to 
you and do the work.  My coworker broke his iPhone screen and a guy showed up 
in a company smart car and did a screen replacement for him right on the cafe 
table down stairs in our lobby.  Great service, decent price point and 
convenient as all get out. They service Apple laptops and Desktops the same way.

Good luck


Closed just means you pay the Apple money and can’t provide your own parts.  
(easily)

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> When you say closed unit, does that mean that one has to take it to the Apple 
> store for repairs, or is it closed even to them?  I would hate to know I 
> would have to throw the whole thing away just because a memory chip went bad.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Simon Fogarty" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of devices, 
> as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able to, or the 
> mac mini like you could before,
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only
 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.
 They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Simon, I think it’s even worse now.  I believe in many cases they have replaced 
the screws with hex nuts and or special proprietary fasteners so you need to 
buy the $400 Apple tool to crack the box open.  (or a $17 chinese knockoff tool 
like I bought heh)

Stuff is so packed inside the Apple laptops and iMac, you’re so right there.  I 
had to have a girl with really small hands pop in the memory module because my 
fat fingers couldn’t make it work.


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit,
> I gave it a good go getting the base off one in a store near my home and 
> couldn't move it although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty 
> closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of devices, 
> as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be able to, or the 
> mac mini like you could before, 
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the ram 
> And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch models 
> to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 
 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
 They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you buy 
it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an access 
panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered to the 
board.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
 gig
 of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
 about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Makes no difference at all what you replace the existing drive with as long as 
it has the correct interface.  Apple, at least in all the units I’ve popped 
open uses a standard spec drive interface with a normal pin out.  I believe 
it’s all SATA.  Just buy an SSD with the same interface and you’re good to go.  
I like Crucial drives which are Mikron produced and very very high quality.  
Also a fraction of the cost of Apple with better read and write performance.  
Fusion is another option but I wouldn’t bother.  SSD’s performance is so good I 
don’t see the point of hybrids.

I have a client who has 4.5 petabytes of SSD storage in a filer and uses it to 
produce popular films including a series with a certain talking Donkey and the 
performance and reliability is just unsurpassed.  It was actually the profits 
from Shrek that funded the purchase of the filer.

If you’re doing any sort of recording or video editing, forget anything with 
rotating media, it’s just to slow and you’ll be fighting with it.  The filer I 
speak of I personally saw handle thousands of clients all rendering and 
editing.  Most clients were connected at 10G or greater and all that continued 
access and hammering would have leveled anything with rotating media.  Speeds 
are 45 times faster with a good SSD over anything that rotates.  Even fusion 
drives with whopper sized caches.
While you may not have a billion dollars for a drive array, you would 
get a huge boost in your home applications by migrating to SSD and it’s cheap, 
$300 or so for a TB.

Good luck


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:40 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know in a late 2012 mac mini, if those things would be able to 
> support either an SSD drive, or a Fusion Drive instead of it's stocked 
> platter drive?
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>> - Original Message -
>> From: Simon Fogarty 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 6:06 AM
>> Subject: RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Hi Arnold,
>> 
>> That price in kiwi dollars is bloody good.
>> 
>> As for the 4 gig ram, in the 2011 mac mini it’s really easy to change ram 
>> and you should be able to put 16 gig in to that model of mini.
>> 
>> I had a 2010 server that was updated by myself to 16 gb ram, and I did the 
>> same with my current mac mini from 2012.
>> 
>> Shame I’m not using it as much now and looking to sell it.
>> 
>> Good luck with it
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 4:51 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want 
>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

So officially supported by apple is 16 gb but I have a 2011 Macbook Pro with 32 
no problem.  Fits in the same slots and OS X addresses all the memory nicely.


Great with virtual machines.  You can assign each one a gig more and let them 
run just about as well as if they were natively.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
> 
> Portia.
> 
> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> Hey Arnold,
>> 
>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>> 
>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>> gig
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.

You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.

Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.  


> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
> ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
> $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Andy, no worries here.  You can get a spec case that the air fits in, sort of 
like the life proof cases for iPhones or other hardened shells and your air 
will take that beer like a pro.:)

And I envy you for your thriving pub scene and an environment where you feel 
safe enough to leave your air while you make room for more beer.:)  If someone 
should happen to make off with your air though there are features in the Apple 
that allow it to be tracked, it’s called find my mac.  When I lived out in 
California someone close to me had a laptop stolen and we were able to find it 
on a map as well as use the camera to snap a picture of the user and I won’t 
get in to a lot of detail here but we retrieved the laptop along with some um 
compensation for their thievery.

Costs for such cases are low on Amazon.

Good luck as always

If I ever get to Scotland, beers on me and I’ll take some of that 22 year old 
single malt if it’s available.:) 


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim.
> 
> Funny, I never considered the possibility of spilling my beer!  I've been 
> more concerned about how it would look when I took my Macbookk Air to the 
> toilet.  Do you think that all of my friends in the pub will think that I 
> don't trust them and that they may lift my computer while I was away from my 
> table?  It's a thought!
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Tim Kilburn" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> That's a good savings Andy.  Just be careful not to spill your beer onto your 
> macBook Air while in the Pub.  Makes the cost of ownership sky rocket :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:42, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max and all.
> 
> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.
> 
> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I can 
> carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of 
> beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm buying a 
> refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already been told 
> that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand new Macbook 
> Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new 
> computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS 
> and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an 
> almost new computer.
> 
> I thought it was worth considering this option.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
> be. Thanks, Max
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, 
>> although the Air would be less expensive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>> option would be nice. thanks, max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're 
>>> willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, 
>>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  
>>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a 
>>> blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant mor

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Very good points, bump up that processor too if you want to hold on to it for a 
long time.  Pretty good gain for only a $150 or $300 bump in price.  Especially 
if it’s going to last you a long time.  Good philosophy..


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:47 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> i just have to remind myself of two things. one, when i buy not to skimp on 
> ram and hard drive because I will have it longer than most people keep 
> theirs. and that at least I don't have to pay freedom scientific or some 
> other company for third party speech software. later, Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I do realize that there is both WiFi and Lightning storage, my thoughts 
>> though were whether there may be something in the future that works with iOS 
>> for external storage.  Maybe there is and I'm out of the loop, but I haven't 
>> noticed it.  With respect to pricing, I'm only quoting Canadian pricing from 
>> apple.ca  where a 13" MacBook Air with 256 GB Flash 
>> storage and 8 GB RAM goes for $1449 CAD and a 13" MacBook Pro with 256 GB 
>> storage and 8 GB RAM goes for $1799 CAD.  Note that the Pro has a faster, 
>> more powerful processor, Retina Display, Force-Touch Trackpad and more.  So, 
>> you are getting more computer for the extra expenditure.  Each of these are 
>> upgradable with more RAM, more storage etc.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 13:15, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> There are already both wifi and Lightning storage devices, for the record. 
>> As to slots on iOS, I doubt it. Apple released the Retina MacBook last year, 
>> including only one port aside from the headphone jack. This suggests less 
>> expansion, not more, especially on their mobile products. I, too, have no 
>> special knowledge or anything, but I can't imagine them allowing expansion 
>> slots to take up space.
>> 
>> The Air is, I believe, about $200 cheaper than the Pro. That depends heavily 
>> on what processor, drive, and ram configuration you choose, though. I find 
>> the Apple Store app on iOS to be a good way of building different Macs to 
>> look at their prices, though you can, of course, do that on apple.com 
>>  too.
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 14:28, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
>>> be. Thanks, Max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Max,
 
 Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
 fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
 believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
 not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
 seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
 someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions 
 that will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible 
 from your iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what 
 you're hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
 So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
 ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
 probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think 
 this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
 storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
 having that option would be nice. thanks, max 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
> DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
> Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
> you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
> displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
> powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
> and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
> machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
> that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
> take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and 
> iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it 
> will be a 

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price.  I hope you enjoy it.

Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I think 
it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply.  I sell my 
gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new model.  Apple 
especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so every year I go 
through new laptops and phones especially.  There’s a 2016 refresh going on 
now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive the new chipsets and 
upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are last years in exchange for 
this years latest and greatest.  Being a sharp shopper I think you’re making a 
good move getting a lot for your money by buying the previous version.
 

I hope you have a good time with your training.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max and all.
> 
> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.
> 
> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I can 
> carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple of 
> beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm buying a 
> refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already been told 
> that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand new Macbook 
> Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many almost new 
> computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at the new OS 
> and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be getting an 
> almost new computer.
> 
> I thought it was worth considering this option.
> 
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
> be. Thanks, Max
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>> 
>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products.  Who's to say that 
>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're hoping, 
>> although the Air would be less expensive.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>> option would be nice. thanks, max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're 
>>> willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, 
>>> usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  
>>> Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a 
>>> blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more 
>>> for the everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would 
>>> be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive 
>>> model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way 
>>> things are moving towards in the future, but it will be a while before they 
>>> become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS device excepting 
>>> enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO 
>>> on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or 
>>> Desktop unit.
>>> 
>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor. This will make 
>>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usef

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  Google 
is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had their way 
these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, not a huge fan of 
SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know others feel 
differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also because of the need 
for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. So, 
> I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch ibook 4 
> because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would probably 
> go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this means 
> future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i know now 
> we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that option 
> would be nice. thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
>> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
>> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, 
>> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user 
>> require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the 
>> everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, 
>> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The 
>> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving 
>> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You 
>> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so 
>> that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is 
>> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>> 
>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>>> 
>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>>> 
>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
>>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
>>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering 
network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense 
applications.  Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to 
look over his shoulder.  So there are some applications where a blind person 
who you might not think has any need for a screen does.  Maybe not for direct 
use but there can be other benefits.

It’s all about the use cases I guess.
 

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, with 
> all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user require a 
> better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the everyday user. 
>  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, and actually do 
> it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very 
> nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the 
> future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most 
> everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option 
> as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where 
> near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
> 
> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
> in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
> book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
> the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
> much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
> player instead. what do you think? Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>> 
>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>> 
>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring 
>> both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the blue 
>> tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about everything you need. Have 
>> any of you had your hands on the new iPad pro? If you could only pick one 
>> would you go with a mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max 
>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools for 
the Financial space and can speak to this first hand.

The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera and 
wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks.  If you do a lot of 
other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that extra 
horsepower will be appreciated.  If all you want to do is regular internet 
access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely.  Also more 
portable.  For that matter, we had great results with iPads for pure video 
plays.  We installed our application and enabled the cellular modem and 
executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and securely from 
anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences.  Either device will 
treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to do with it.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot of 
> online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want as 
> much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the air 
> than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 inch 
> might be what I need. thanks, Max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Hi Max,
>>  
>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
>> storage
>>   And up to 8gb ram.
>>  
>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
>> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>>  
>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
>> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>>  
>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
>> And a great battery life
>>  
>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
>> sizes,
>>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>>  
>> As do the prices.
>>  
>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
>> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
>> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching 
>> tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>>  
>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>>  
>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>>  
>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
>> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>  
>> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
>> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
>> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
>> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>>  
>> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
>> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
>> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
>> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
>> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. 
>> Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. 
>> The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I 
>> already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, 
>> what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) 
>> iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :)
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>> 
>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>> I miss something obvious?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

SSD is your only option now on any of the Apple Laptops I believe that are 2013 
and newer.  Also, the DVD drive thankfully is long gone.  You also get AC 
networking so nice and zippy on the wireless side.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:43 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models 
>> Apart from the faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more 
>> to them than the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it 
>> wasn't great for quad speakers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>>> 
>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>>> I miss something obvious?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
>>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
>>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
>>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
>>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
>>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
>>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

The airs have already received such an upgrade this year.

Not positive on the pro if that’s happened yet but it’s eminent.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> There's also the updates to consider, Rumors have it that Apple will announce 
> a new Pro, and maybe a new 12-inch retina MacBook, sometime this fall. At 
> that time, you can get the new one, or take advantage of deals on the older 
> ones (what is now the current model). In other words, the iPads likely won't 
> be updated for a while, but the MacBooks could be updated soon. If you're 
> thinking of a Mac, I'd wait until the end of the year to see what changes.
> 
> I, too, don't really see the advantage of the Pro over the Air2 for a blind 
> user. The Pro has a more powerful CPU and better graphics performance, 
> certainly, but other than that it has little the Air2 doesn't. It comes in 
> the larger screen size, which I suppose could work out for those needing a 
> good deal of screen enlargement. As to Macs, people have already described 
> the differences. For a more thorough and (maybe overly) detailed breakdown, 
> see my guide to all of Apple's Mac computers:
> http://www.applevis.com/guides/miscellaneous/explaining-myriad-models-macs 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 05:55, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Max,
>>  
>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
>> storage
>>   And up to 8gb ram.
>>  
>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
>> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>>  
>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has the 
>> same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>>  
>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
>> And a great battery life
>>  
>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
>> sizes,
>>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>>  
>> As do the prices.
>>  
>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 512gb 
>> hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of it when 
>> using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m watching 
>> tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>>  
>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>>  
>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>>  
>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as I 
>> said it depends on your kind of usage.
>>  
>>  
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] 
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>  
>> i think a mac book is still right for me. next question is what are the 
>> differences between the pro and air. thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The iPad Pro is 12.9 inches. It comes with a maximum of 256gb, I believe, 
>> which is a lot, but far less than you can get for MacBooks. Plus, it lacks 
>> the expansion ports of a Mac.
>>  
>> As to which is better, that depends on your use case. iOS still lacks many 
>> keyboard shortcuts found in macOS, and honestly, an Air or a 12-inch MacBook 
>> isn't much larger or heavier than the Pro. Plus, if you need Windows, you 
>> can't run that on iOS like you can on macOS. I haven't used an iPad Pro, but 
>> I do have an iPhone 6s Plus, and the OS will be the same on both. 
>> Personally, I'd rather save up a little more money and get a good MacBook. 
>> The iPad Pro is a fine device, but I've never understood having an iPad if I 
>> already have an iPhone. Aside from the braille screen input and battery, 
>> what can an iPad do for me, as a blind person, that my (much more portable) 
>> iPhone can't? JMO, obviously. :)
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 22:15, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>> 
>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>> I miss something obvious?
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> 

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Hey Arnold, very good, just remember, that rotating drive will start to slow 
over time and also is the most likely thing to fail in the box.  So as always, 
keep good backups in case you need to reformat to boost up that speed again.  
If you can swing it go SSD sooner than later.  That’s even a bigger deal than 
memory to me because of the massive boost in performance from rotating disks to 
all solid state.

Let us know if you need any help on that Mac.  I like your move here buying a 
computer that doesn’t break the bank to get started with and no pressure or 
time constraints.  I think you’re making a good move.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if 
> not before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the 
> moment.  I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard 
> drive when the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this 
> vista computer, from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard 
> drive.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: Scott Granados <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.
>> 
>> You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
>> more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
>> could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now 
>> and then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with 
>> your high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw 
>> to much at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB 
>> drive, slap it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on 
>> funds SSD in the Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe 
>> there’s a  second bay if you want to have both internal.
>> 
>> Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got 
>> a powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to 
>> learn on for small dollars.  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt >> <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig 
>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want 
>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 
>>>  
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>  
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Hahaha Arnold, good question.  Being it was less than 14 days  or in that range 
I bet it just gets a new set of packing material and is sold new.  I wouldn’t 
set it though, you’re making a great move and a good financial move as well, 
save that money and the headache of new and take your time and enjoy the 
process.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I looked and looked on that refurbished list for a Mac Mini before I bought 
> the new one, which I took back.  There never were any.  I wonder if the one I 
> took back will now appear on that list, now that I have ordered the used one? 
>  I don't think I will look, I don't need to know.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> Hi andy, that’s a pretty good price.  I hope you enjoy it.
> 
> Just to add though, I don’t think it’s the new OS freaking people out, I 
> think it’s the people upgrading that provides a lot of the older supply.  I 
> sell my gear myself but a lot of people trade in for credit towards a new 
> model.  Apple especially has a lot of us trained to upgrade every year so 
> every year I go through new laptops and phones especially.  There’s a 2016 
> refresh going on now, the Airs were one of the first I believe to receive the 
> new chipsets and upgrades so likely a lot of the models available are last 
> years in exchange for this years latest and greatest.  Being a sharp shopper 
> I think you’re making a good move getting a lot for your money by buying the 
> previous version.
> 
> 
> I hope you have a good time with your training.
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Andy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Max and all.
>> 
>> Sorry for butting in with my pennies worth.
>> 
>> I purchased the 27 Retina desk-top about five weeks ago and in order to 
>> undergo training, I have decided to also buy a Macbook Air.  This means I 
>> can carry it easily to my training event and also take it out for a couple 
>> of beers and play with it.  However, I'm not buying a new machine.  I'm 
>> buying a refurnished model from the Apple Store in Glasgow.  I've already 
>> been told that they can give me a 13 inch, 2015 model for £625.00.  A brand 
>> new Macbook Air is £800.00.  When I asked as to why they would have so many 
>> almost new computers for sale, I was told that loads of buyers freek out at 
>> the new OS and return it within 14 days.  So for a saving of £175.00 I'd be 
>> getting an almost new computer.
>> 
>> I thought it was worth considering this option.
>> 
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Tim; I appreciate the feedback. i wonder how much cheaper the air would 
>> be. Thanks, Max
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Max,
>>> 
>>> Apple seems to be focusing on the Cloud and keeping their devices slim and 
>>> fairly free of, what they might consider, extraneous ports.  So, I don't 
>>> believe that SD slots or some such expansion will be on their radar.  I'm 
>>> not an insider, nor do I have any more insight than most others, it just 
>>> seems to be the trend historically with Apple products. Who's to say that 
>>> someone may not develop reliable, quick and portable storage solutions that 
>>> will work with WiFi, Bluetooth or Lightning technology accessible from your 
>>> iDevice.  Regarding the MacBook Pro or Air, both will do what you're 
>>> hoping, although the Air would be less expensive.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:21, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>>> option would be nice. thanks, max
>>&

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Don’t be Max, there’s nothing to be afraid of if you use a reputable provider.  
Apple, Google, Amazon, very good options and very security conscious companies.

I just traveled for example and left everything in the cloud.  Granted, I 
stayed with in the US so your area may differ but I never felt separated from 
my data or felt at a disadvantage, having everything remote was so convenient. 
I even had WiFi on the plane so was never isolated from my content even in the 
air.  I realize others may not have the inflight unlimited internet option but 
you can download what you need for the flight.  Cloud is good if done well.

Maybe it’s being an old mainframe user that got me used to having my stuff 
elsewhere.  My how we have come full circle.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:49 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi; I'm one of those who is a bit leary of storing my data in the cloud. 
> thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  
>> Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies had 
>> their way these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, not a 
>> huge fan of SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know others 
>> feel differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also because of 
>> the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I would 
>>> probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you think this 
>>> means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional storage? i 
>>> know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but having that 
>>> option would be nice. thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
>>>> DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
>>>> Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
>>>> you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
>>>> displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
>>>> powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
>>>> and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
>>>> machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
>>>> that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't take 
>>>> the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS 
>>>> is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but it will be 
>>>> a while before they become one.  You can do most everything on an iOS 
>>>> device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as well.  the 
>>>> keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where near what can 
>>>> be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>>>> 
>>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>>>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
>>>> will do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at 
>>>> least 8 GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This 
>>>> will make sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its 
>>>> usefulness.
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>>>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying 
>>>> with a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking 
>>>> pro but without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I 
>>>> do; it would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external 
>>>> drive or portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty 

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Max, an iPhone is more than enough to handle all the tasks you mentioned so any 
of the laptops will treat you well.  That rotating drive is probably the 
slowest part of your machine.  Swap that out and you’ll feel like a new laptop 
has taken it’s place.

With a proper implementation of a video service all the transcoding and tricky 
stuff is done with big servers in the cloud so your end device is less 
critical.  What ever you choose I bet you’ll be very happy.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:54 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live 
> events through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face time 
> and zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have enough 
> horse power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got 4 gb of 
> ram and passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard drive at the 
> time. Thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing tools 
>> for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand.
>> 
>> The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera 
>> and wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks.  If you do a 
>> lot of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that extra 
>> horsepower will be appreciated.  If all you want to do is regular internet 
>> access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely.  Also more 
>> portable.  For that matter, we had great results with iPads for pure video 
>> plays.  We installed our application and enabled the cellular modem and 
>> executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted and securely 
>> from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences.  Either device 
>> will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to do with it.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot of 
>>> online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I want 
>>> as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different on the 
>>> air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book air 13 
>>> inch might be what I need. thanks, Max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Max,
>>>>  
>>>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
>>>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
>>>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE flash 
>>>> storage
>>>>   And up to 8gb ram.
>>>>  
>>>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as they 
>>>> only have sertain machines as general builds.
>>>>  
>>>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has 
>>>> the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>>>>  
>>>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
>>>> And a great battery life
>>>>  
>>>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch screan 
>>>> sizes,
>>>>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>>>>  
>>>> As do the prices.
>>>>  
>>>> I have a 11inch air which has full specs of I7 processor, 8gb ram and 
>>>> 512gb hard drive space and it’s great I get approx. 7 hours of life out of 
>>>> it when using windows and more than that if using the mac osx  unless I’m 
>>>> watching tv or movies in which case things drop by about 25%
>>>>  
>>>> The air is really an entry level product but has guts to work hard.
>>>>  
>>>> The pro is for the power user and slightly heavier at around 2Kg in weight.
>>>>  
>>>> Depending on what your doing most people can get away with the air but as 
>>>> I said it depends on your kind of usage.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] 
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:43 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.co

Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Pardon the off topic but a blind RN, that’s pretty cool!  I don’t know why of 
anyone it shouldn’t but there are some jobs that I hear of blind people doing 
that surprise me.  RN is one but I mean that in a supportive good way I’m not 
sure how you do it but I’m glad you figured a way. A blind furniture maker was 
another one that surprised the heck out of me, engine rebuilder was another but 
I sort of get that having worked on cars myself.

Thank you for sharing what profession you’re in you’ve expanded my horizons a 
little.


Sorry for the topic distraction it just impressed me.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> Hi, am not sure if i am experienced or not, but I'm an RN, so well i
> know a thing or two.
> I use the mac for anything, and windows for scanning and well a few
> games like lone woolf.
> That is about it , and i will admit it , if i need to read fast
> nothing beats eloquence. And i mean like nothing.
> Now that you get a new mac, let us know if you need any help. there
> gotta be documents we can toss at you for getting you started :)
> 
> On 7/9/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> For me, the things I tend to use windows for are some games, and sometimes,
>> kurzweil 1000.  I have to say, though, that I am not using k1000 hardly at
>> all these days, and really don’t miss it that much.  I am considering taking
>> the vm off my laptop, and I don’t have it on my desktop at all anymore.
>> 
>> For scanning, I use either docuscan(great for pdf’s), and/or abby fine
>> reader.
>> 
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
>>> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
>>> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things
>>> simply work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the
>>> user simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
>>> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
>>> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be
>>> available to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System
>>> Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing
>>> everything into a word processing app is about more trouble than it is
>>> worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else
>>> does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Eloquence is all about speed.  It may be highly mechanical but it’s easy to 
pick out with the speed accelerated.  Also doesn’t lag in spots as much as the 
more natural sounding voices constructed from samples.  That’s the big 
difference for me.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't use Windows much at all.  Probably once a month or so for Server 
> stuff, and that's it.  Not sure why people love Eloquence so much either.  
> I've heard others praise its glories, but I've never found it pleasant 
> myself.  I guess to each their own.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:52, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
> 
> Hi, am not sure if i am experienced or not, but I'm an RN, so well i
> know a thing or two.
> I use the mac for anything, and windows for scanning and well a few
> games like lone woolf.
> That is about it , and i will admit it , if i need to read fast
> nothing beats eloquence. And i mean like nothing.
> Now that you get a new mac, let us know if you need any help. there
> gotta be documents we can toss at you for getting you started :)
> 
> On 7/9/16, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> For me, the things I tend to use windows for are some games, and sometimes,
>> kurzweil 1000.  I have to say, though, that I am not using k1000 hardly at
>> all these days, and really don’t miss it that much.  I am considering taking
>> the vm off my laptop, and I don’t have it on my desktop at all anymore.
>> 
>> For scanning, I use either docuscan(great for pdf’s), and/or abby fine
>> reader.
>> 
>> hth,
>> Caitlyn
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
>>> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
>>> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things
>>> simply work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the
>>> user simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
>>> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
>>> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be
>>> available to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System
>>> Access works, and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing
>>> everything into a word processing app is about more trouble than it is
>>> worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else
>>> does windows do better?  Thanks for any opinions.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> 
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Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, to let you know from my angle I started out as a windows user on the PC 
side and in about 2008 migrated to the Mac.  For me I’ve been able to move all 
my functions away from windows.  Most things I hear that people have issue with 
are OCR reading or other very specialized adaptive software like braille 
translation.  Also I know some industries like Insurance have mainly windows 
based tools.  So professionally you may not have a choice.  I just passed on a 
job that required the use of windows by the end user.  I have no desire to 
fight the virtual desktop battle just to do something I can do better and 
faster for my needs anyway with a Mac. So that’s the long way of saying I bet 
you could switch over entirely especially if you’re already to think laterally 
when you hit an issue like your example of using a KNFB reader.  Also remember 
if you do have the desire to run windows you can do so on your Mac with VM 
Fusion while OS X is running or using bootcamp you could boot in to windows if 
you needed to.  The fusion method is the one I find most preferable.  So lucky 
for you with a good Mac you have the best of both worlds available in one box.

Good luck.


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you 
> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now 
> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply 
> work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user 
> simply does not know how to do something well when they say something doesn't 
> work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more experienced 
> users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be available to me on the 
> Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System Access works, and it sounds 
> as if scanning and reading, by importing everything into a word processing 
> app is about more trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB 
> reader on my iPhone.  But what else does windows do better?  Thanks for any 
> opinions.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>  
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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Scott Granados]

Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.

Public being the key word here.

Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are strictly 
> forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the beta testing of 
> IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well as the public beta.  
> Bear in mind that the public beta is public strictly in the sence that the 
> public has access to it without paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion 
> of findings is strictly forbidden.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List folks,
>>  
>> Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 10 
>> beta release.
>>  
>> Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in IOS 
>> 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.
>>  
>> The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after 
>> updating.
>>  
>> But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in 
>> the touch sensor.
>>  
>> Cheers for any information.
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Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Cheap solution to this whole problem… Paper plates.

Paper plates are the best or really plastic laminated paper plates.:)

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Andy  wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon.
>  
> I find your generosity astonishing my friend.  Do you not think it would be 
> cheeper getting a house-cleaner rather than spend all that lovely cash flying 
> me over and ofcourse accomodating me in a five star hotel, from Scotland, 
> just to wash your dishes.  This must be the height of lazyness!
>  
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Simon Fogarty 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:34 AM
>> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> Andy,
>>  
>> Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Andy
>> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>  
>> Hi Arnold.
>>  
>> I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?   
>>  I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  
>> That's the way I like it!
>>  
>> I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
>> every new experience and see this learning experience as an important 
>> milestone in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it 
>> aint!
>>  
>>  
>> I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member 
>> of this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm 
>> a happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
>> importantly, I'll enjoy it!
>>  
>> Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
>> different!
>>  
>> Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>  
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Katie Zodrow 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>>  
>>> Hi Arnold.
>>> That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
>>> continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
>>> won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
>>> Katie
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, 
 I am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one 
 back the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.
  
 Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - 
> From: Simon Fogarty 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Hi arnld,
> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the 
> apple os.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough 
> struggles. My information that I would like you to have been say is below 
> in my signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret 
> getting it. I will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now 
> that I couldn't work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is 
> not just for Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac 
> still free to use interviews my information in my signature as well as 
> you wish.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com 
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
> 
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>> On Jul 6, 201

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Simon, you want to look towards the unix tools for this type of thing.  the 
Open LDAP stuff along with SMB4 aught to be able to help here.  Aught to be 
able to edit LDAP Schema that way with the Open LDAP browser etc.  I try to 
stay away from this windows stuff but I’ve seen a lot recently for complete 
domain controller replacements with Linux and interaction with the databases 
etc.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sandy mark and others,
> 
> Yeah the mac is great for being able to run a bootcamp or dual boot system.
> 
> As a power user of the windows environment I need to have it with me where 
> ever I go, at least that is my reason for always having my notebook with me.
> 
>  But apple also now allow you through or with vm fusion to run mac os vms 
> which you can't do on a windows machine,
>  The mac os and voiceover allow for the same usage of the touch pad on a 
> notebook such as my mac book air to be used like I use my iPhone touch screan.
> 
>  What I am currently looking for though is an app for my mac book air on the 
> mac OSX side that will allow me to interact with an active directory domain 
> inferstructure  doing such things as group creation adding and  removing 
> users setting up and changing computers and possibly some work with Group 
> policies in some OU's for the organisation.
> 
> But at this point I appear to be pushing things a bit.
> 
> Does anyone know of any OSX apps that will allow this kind of access to a 
> domain inferstructure?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Jazmin Kruse
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find out what 
> do people need, and take it from there.
> As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i use 
> windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
> For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write write. 
> it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid questions are 
> the once not asked.
> Sandi
> 
> On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Arnold,
>> 
>> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  
>> Because, you remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac 
>> journey.  This is to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I 
>> found that learning how to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely 
>> frustrating, at first--especially given my then expertise with Jaws for 
>> Windows.
>> 
>> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they 
>> merely wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to 
>> themselves that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of 
>> frustration with the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does 
>> something can, in many instances directly affect the outcome of the 
>> exploration, itself.
>> 
>> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac 
>> because I was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering 
>> that they deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature 
>> that shipped with the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy 
>> of that particular beta which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly 
>> comprehensive installation experience for a totally blind user.  It 
>> never crossed my mind that they would pull that feature in subsequent 
>> beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.
>> 
>> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking 
>> heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the 
>> feature as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, 
>> reliving the experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
>> 
>> But I digress.
>> 
>> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local 
>> Mac store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my 
>> primary motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and 
>> tired of Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and 
>> low vision users--especially given that they had proven that it could 
>> be done and that it could be done well.
>> 
>> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of 
>> many, the Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
>> 
>> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, 
>> etc are all marvelous accessibility tools.
>> 
>> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows 
>> and Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need 
>> to choose one over the other.
>> 
>> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be 
>> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when 
>> you need to know it.  That's jus

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Mark, I’m fuming reading this.  Microsoft removed such an option and it really 
worked?  Do you know how many blind technologists that limitation makes their 
jobs difficult?  I suspect you do that’s probably one of the reasons you found 
that upsetting like I do.

I also did not know this feature existed.  Thank you for pointing it out.  I 
have yet another reason to not like Microsoft.  I too think that security 
response is just laughable.  Since when has Microsoft given a you know what 
about security?  Sounds like a bogus response to me. Something to shut you up 
because who wants to mess with security. Sometimes i wish Redmond would just 
fall in to the sea and do us all a favor.

Ah well,

BTW +1 on the rest of your comments, very well said.


> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:38 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Arnold,
> 
> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  Because, you 
> remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my Mac journey.  This is 
> to say, even after owning an iPhone for some time, I found that learning how 
> to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, extremely frustrating, at first--especially 
> given my then expertise with Jaws for Windows.
> 
> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they merely 
> wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to themselves that 
> they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out of frustration with the 
> status quo.  My point is that, why, one does something can, in many instances 
> directly affect the outcome of the exploration, itself.
> 
> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac because I was 
> completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering that they deliberately 
> removed the self-voicing installation feature that shipped with the first 
> beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy of that particular beta which, via 
> Narrator, offered a flawlessly comprehensive installation experience for a 
> totally blind user.  It never crossed my mind that they would pull that 
> feature in subsequent beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.
> 
> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft talking heads, 
> up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they pulled the feature as a 
> result of security concerns.  Even as I write this, reliving the experience 
> in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially boil.
> 
> But I digress.
> 
> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local Mac store 
> and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my primary 
> motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and tired of Microsoft 
> restricting installation access to its blind and low vision users--especially 
> given that they had proven that it could be done and that it could be done 
> well.
> 
> Having said all of this, let me add that, despite the opinions of many, the 
> Macintosh is not for everyone or not better in all situations.
> 
> Windows is a fine operating system and Jaws, Window Eyes, Zoomtext, etc are 
> all marvelous accessibility tools.
> 
> Generally speaking, I think it's best to learn how to use both Windows and 
> Mac OS.  Financial limitations notwithstanding, there is no need to choose 
> one over the other.
> 
> I want to applaud your effort in exploring the Macintosh.  Do not be 
> disappointed in yourself; you will learn what you need to know when you need 
> to know it.  That's just the way the universe works, in my opinion.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from 
> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000, 
> learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  I know what I 
> want to do, but how to do it is almost totally different.  Hey, control c 
> copies something and control v pastes it, they have that in common.  But I 
> have come up with the best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and 
> learn to do it.  Even if I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a 
> whole lot I can do, in all caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I learned 
> to do it, and will be able to speak? mac as well as windows.  That is a 
> pretty good reason to do it.  I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I didn't 
> have my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes, than in 
> windows iTunes.  We'll see, eventually. Now, if I just didn't have to work 40 
> hours a week, becoming proficient in mac would happen sooner.
> This was one of my vacation weeks.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kimber Gardner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It 

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Kawal, very well stated.

Only thing I’d say and it’s not so much apple related but more life related, I 
know it may be easy to say but don’t fear failure.  Treat failure like another 
data point.  The very successful fail a lot they just adjust, move on and take 
another swing.  Use that failure to add to your experience.  

I’ve started a bunch of businesses, guess what, the first few failed wildly.  I 
had a mentor at one point who told me that I should expect that my first at 
least 3 businesses would eventually fail but each attempt would grow easier 
from experience.  I know it’s easy to get down and have failure work against 
you and rob you of confidence but just remember, emotion especially in business 
but really in all things is just a result.  Go ahead and fail but study why you 
failed, learn from it, thank the process and move on.  Failure can be a better 
teacher than success almost always.

Keep on failing because eventually you’ll succeed.  The Bard put it much better 
than I did but it’s true.
 
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Just been reading this thread with interest as I rarely post to this list due 
> to time etc.
> 
> 
> I like the last person who said, that they would learn the Mac slowly and not 
> hurry.  If you all think of it this way.
> 
> Learning something new takes time and it’s like learning a new musical 
> instrument.
> 
> Two years ago, I started learning the flute.  For me that has been a 
> demanding instrument and last year as I felt I was getting no where, I 
> thought about giving it up.  I was really depressed as that made me feel that 
> I was a failure.  However, I told myself that giving this up would be a 
> failure as I had invested in getting a flute.  So this year, I’m much better 
> at it and am now going to work towards my Grade 3 examination.
> 
> I’ve been using the Mac since 2010 and for a week, I had a dear friend who 
> was patient.  He taught me the basics and I learnt in a week the mac basics.
> 
> These days I’m no expert and there are lots of things I don’t know about the 
> Mac.  However it doesn’t bother me that I’m no expert because whilst I’m a 
> Window user at work, at home I use the Mac and slowly I pick things up.  I 
> use to get upset if I couldn’t work something but the older I get, I don’t 
> let things bother me so much.
> 
> The worst happened to me two years ago and my life was almost ruined.  
> Nothing can hurt me now as I won’t let it and as long as I can work the Mac 
> to get on the Internet as that is my main priority, nothing really matters.  
> I know enough to sort out my internet needs as I live alone  and have a few 
> friends who will help me if I can’t do something.  I am much better on the 
> Macs these days.  I was going to use Windows on VM and although I have an 
> up-to-date VM, I’ve not installed windows.  I like it that whilst at home, I 
> exclusively use the Mac and at work I need to use Windows.  But I’m not so 
> good with jaws anymore but as long as I can do my day job, nothing really 
> worries me.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 20:56, Andy > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Arnold.
>>  
>> I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?   
>>  I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  
>> That's the way I like it!
>>  
>> I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
>> every new experience and see this learning experience as an important 
>> milestone in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it 
>> aint!
>>  
>>  
>> I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member 
>> of this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm 
>> a happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
>> importantly, I'll enjoy it!
>>  
>> Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
>> different!
>>  
>> Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.
>>  
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
>>  
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Katie Zodrow 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>> 
>>> Hi Arnold.
>>> That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
>>> continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
>>> won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
>>> Katie
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, 
 I am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one 
 back the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.
  
 Arnold Schm

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, good man, I like your sticktuitiveness to use an over used business 
made up word.:)

I’m sorry if my initial response was overly harsh I was just responding to what 
I saw and being completely honest which especially with the lack of tone in 
emails can come off really the wrong way.

No matter what you do you know what’s best for you.  I’m glad you re going to 
give it another shot and you’re in the right place to get the help you need.  I 
absolutely wish you nothing but success and do keep posting your impressions 
and questions.  Also don’t take anything I say personally, I can be overly 
direct but I do have respect for you especially now with your desire to keep on 
slugging away and I do know the complexity of the undertaking you’re involved 
with.

Good luck!
 

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, I 
> am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one back 
> the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Simon Fogarty 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
>> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> Hi arnld,
>>  
>> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
>>  
>> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple 
>> os.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>  ] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>  
>> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
>> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. 
>> My information that I would like you to have been say is below in my 
>> signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I 
>> will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't 
>> work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for 
>> Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac still free to use 
>> interviews my information in my signature as well as you wish.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com 
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 
>> 
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89  
>>  
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com 
>>  
>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two 
>>> weeks, concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after 
>>> all yesterday, which was my last day to return it.  
>>>  
>>> To attempt to make a long message not quite so long, I guess I just wasn't 
>>> getting it as much as I think I should have been.  Every time I would turn 
>>> it on, it seemed that I still was having to look up how to do things that I 
>>> thought I had already learned, and it definitely was getting more 
>>> frustrating than fun, being that I could very easily do those things in 
>>> Windows, or on my iPhone.  And in the end, what was going to be the real 
>>> benefit to me?  ITunes allegedly easier to use, and being able to install 
>>> the OS myself.  
>>>  
>>> Being that yesterday was going to be my last day, I started out intending 
>>> to put in a lot of extra time with it, before the time for my paratransit 
>>> trip to return it arrived, which I still thought I was going to cancel.  
>>> So, I decided to log into my bank web site, which I had not attempted yet.  
>>> I successfully passed the first step in the two-step verification, but 
>>> then, no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to read the security 
>>> question it wanted answered.  No problem in Windows, or my iPhone, no go on 
>>> this Mac mini.  I could tell  the location for the answer field, I could 
>>> find what should have been the question field, it just wouldn't read 
>>> anything.  I typed in the answer to one of my security questions, which, of 
>>> course, was the wrong answer for the question it was asking.  I am sure the 
>>> inability to get it to read the security question was mine, not the Mac 
>>> Mini's .  So, I closed Safari, then decided to turn on keyboard help, just 
>>> to try differing combinations of keys I had never tried before to see what 
>>> it would say.  I was trying the function keys, and hit a key at th

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, you make two very good points.

Learning a new OS is very much like learning a new language.  I am a believer 
of full emersion for languages so take that or leave it but if I were to do it 
again I would do what I did and just force myself to use it much like moving to 
Spain and being forced to speak Spanish.

Also, lucky for me learning the mac was work justifiable so I could use some of 
that paid time to do the transition.  I can appreciate how much of a blessing 
that was in my case.  You do your long work day, come home and then work hard 
at learning a new system.  That’s good ol drive for you.  I like that.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I have been thinking about this for several days.  As one coming from 
> Windows, having used windows since I got my windows 98 computer in 2000, 
> learning to use the mac is like learning a whole new language.  I know what I 
> want to do, but how to do it is almost totally different.  Hey, control c 
> copies something and control v pastes it, they have that in common.  But I 
> have come up with the best reason yet for me to get some used equipment and 
> learn to do it.  Even if I come to the conclusion that there really isn't a 
> whole lot I can do, in all caps, BETTER on the mac than in windows, I learned 
> to do it, and will be able to speak? mac as well as windows.  That is a 
> pretty good reason to do it.  I admit, I probably wouldn't bother if I didn't 
> have my iPhone, which apparently works a little better in Mac iTunes, than in 
> windows iTunes.  We'll see, eventually. Now, if I just didn't have to work 40 
> hours a week, becoming proficient in mac would happen sooner. This was one of 
> my vacation weeks.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Kimber Gardner" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 7:21 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> 
> I'm not Arnold so can't presume to answer for him, but I found myself
> in a similar situation several years ago when I bought a MacAir.
> Despite multiple attempts to learn the new operating system, I found
> myself frustrated at nearly every turn. Now I've been an IT
> professional for thirty years, working all that time in the windows
> environment, still I found the learning curve extremely daunting.
> 
> I've read this thread with great interest and I think the many
> comments about total immersion while learning may have been the root
> of my own failure with the Mac. Because I became frustrated in my
> attempts to accomplish the simplest of tasks (like reading and
> answering email), I frequently switched back to windows to do what I
> needed to do. Consequently I lost whatever ground I had gained in the
> Mac universe.
> 
> This is my rather long way of saying that while installing bootcamp on
> a Mac may seem like no big deal to you (or anyone who is comfortable
> with the Mac), for me that task seems like a mountain the size of
> Everest. I suspect Arnold may feel the same.
> 
> Unlike Arnold I kept my Mac and still return to it from time to time.
> I've been a devoted Apple user on the mobile platform for several
> years and there is something that brings me back to the Mac again and
> again. It may be just that I don't like to admit failure in the face
> of any technology. I don't really know. About the only method I
> haven't tried is one on one training. That may be my next (and
> possibly final) step.
> 
> Kimber
> 
> On 7/7/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi arnld,
>> 
>> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
>> 
>> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple
>> os.
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free
>> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles.
>> My information that I would like you to have been say is below in my
>> signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I
>> will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't
>> work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for
>> Arnold this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac still free to use
>> interviews my information in my signature as well as you wish.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt
>> mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I wand to thank everyone for the hel

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Something freezing for 10 minutes is just wrong.  It’s not acceptable anywhere 
so you know something is gravely wrong with that specific setup.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Mine is connected to a 40 inch TV with HDMI cable.   The keyboard freezing 
> would last up to 10 minutes  that sort of behaviour is just not acceptable 
> especially when we pay so much for these devices. 
> 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 13:03, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>> if you are on a mini, with no monitor connected, it is normal
>> behavior. mine does this sometimes as well.
>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> Hi. After my issues with the keyboard freezing! I’ve had my Mac Mini
>>> replaced and I could of asked for a refund when I went to the Apple store
>>> yesterday but I wanted to give the OS the benefit of the doubt and got a
>>> replacement and It’s been working well since I had set it up again yesterday
>>> evening. I’m learning commands because I’m using programs like the mail
>>> client everyday and Ive been making mental notes of them as well. I don’t
>>> know whether you can install software from the internet without risking
>>> infecting the OS with a virus but I did download RS Games which was very
>>> buggy and Skype and my theory is that may have been the cause of the
>>> keyboard freezing in edit boxes periodically.  I’m not ever going  to
>>> download anything from the internet again. If I want to listen to an audio
>>> file! I will stream it on another device.
>>>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 17:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider
>>>> them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever
>>>> bought. I wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac
>>>> another attempt in the future.
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth"
>>>> 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you
>>>> can spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being
>>>> tied to any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod
>>>> Touch 4th Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone
>>>> 4. To date, I have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini
>>>> 2. I have other Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for
>>>> now. I would highly recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before
>>>> trying an iPhone. Just my £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
>>>>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility,
>>>>> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem
>>>>> to get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because
>>>>> they just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By
>>>>> then, they have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big
>>>>> cancellation fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money
>>>>> invested in something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto
>>>>> eventually.   By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday,
>>>>> but I think I should have been getting it, a little more than I was by
>>>>> the deadline. I am not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will
>>>>> have to be some kind of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel
>>>>> confident that I am going to get it.  I wish Apple had given me more
>>>>> time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>>> - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system
>>>>>> in 2 weeks, thinking you could was unreasona

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

I don’t think you have to be that careful although you may be right in your 
source of the issue.

Stick to the app store, that’s pretty good and reputable sites.  Downloading is 
ok just make sure you know what you’re downloading or if you’re unsure do what 
you’re doing and stick to the app store.  Sounds like you’re making good 
progress.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. After my issues with the keyboard freezing! I’ve had my Mac Mini replaced 
> and I could of asked for a refund when I went to the Apple store yesterday 
> but I wanted to give the OS the benefit of the doubt and got a replacement 
> and It’s been working well since I had set it up again yesterday evening. I’m 
> learning commands because I’m using programs like the mail client everyday 
> and Ive been making mental notes of them as well. I don’t know whether you 
> can install software from the internet without risking infecting the OS with 
> a virus but I did download RS Games which was very buggy and Skype and my 
> theory is that may have been the cause of the keyboard freezing in edit boxes 
> periodically.  I’m not ever going  to download anything from the internet 
> again. If I want to listen to an audio file! I will stream it on another 
> device. 
>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 17:52, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider 
>> them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever bought. 
>> I wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac another 
>> attempt in the future.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> 
>> I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you can 
>> spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being tied to 
>> any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod Touch 4th 
>> Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone 4. To date, 
>> I have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2. I have other 
>> Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for now. I would highly 
>> recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before trying an iPhone. Just my 
>> £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
>>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility, 
>>> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
>>> 
>>> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem to 
>>> get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because they 
>>> just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By then, they 
>>> have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big cancellation 
>>> fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money invested in 
>>> something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto eventually.   
>>> By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday, but I think I 
>>> should have been getting it, a little more than I was by the deadline. I am 
>>> not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will have to be some kind 
>>> of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel confident that I am going to 
>>> get it.  I wish Apple had given me more time.
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>> - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>>> 
>>>> Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system in 
>>>> 2 weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable.  I wouldn’t even undertake 
>>>> such a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have 35 years of 
>>>> computer experience.  Also, you went in to it with the wrong mindset. I 
>>>> remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1.  It’s like 
>>>> learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just in dribs and 
>>>> drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion.  If I were learning 
>>>> French I’d head to France and plop down in the middle of the country where 
>>>> i didn’t have a choice.  Same with computing.  When you decide to learn a 
>>>> new operating system you have to cut your self off from

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

Arnold, I would agree with your assessment of the iPhones and phones in general.

I’ve been using cell phones since the analog days but it wasn’t until Mobile 
speak I really used one and I remember how life changing it was to be able to 
text and use the same phone as my sited friends.  You make a very good point.


> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I got an iPhone 5 in October, 2012, and now have an iPhone 6.   I consider 
> them to be the most life changing pieces of electronics I have ever bought. I 
> wanted to try this Mac Mini,   and am willing to give a Mac another attempt 
> in the future.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18 AM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> 
> I would have gone for an iPod. It’s an iPhone, without the phone. So you can 
> spend as little or as much time with it as necessary, without being tied to 
> any sort of contract. This was my first ever iOS device, the iPod Touch 4th 
> Generation, and about six months later I migrated to the iPhone 4. To date, I 
> have an iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2. I have other 
> Apple products, but these will be kept off the list for now. I would highly 
> recommend anyone to start out with an iPod before trying an iPhone. Just my 
> £0.02 worth and it worked like a charm for me.
>> On 6 Jul 2016, at 16:00, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> Apple is the one who imposed the deadline.  I called Apple Accessibility, 
>> and the Apple main number, trying to get it extended, no luck.
>> 
>> I'll bet we all know blind people who get an iPhone, and just don't seem to 
>> get it.  They end up getting Searie to do everything for them, because they 
>> just never seem to have caught on to using the touch screen.  By then, they 
>> have their iPhone, like it or not, and would have to pay a big cancellation 
>> fee to return it.  I just didn't want to have all this money invested in 
>> something that I very well may, but may not have caught onto eventually.   
>> By no means did I expect to be fluent at it by yesterday, but I think I 
>> should have been getting it, a little more than I was by the deadline. I am 
>> not opposed to trying it again in the future.  It will have to be some kind 
>> of cheaper alternative, though, until I feel confident that I am going to 
>> get it.  I wish Apple had given me more time.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> - Original Message - From: Scott Granados
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 8:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>>> 
>>> Arnold, you never stood a chance.  You can’t learn an operating system in 2 
>>> weeks, thinking you could was unreasonable.  I wouldn’t even undertake such 
>>> a thing with a limited time frame like that ant ai have 35 years of 
>>> computer experience.  Also, you went in to it with the wrong mindset. I 
>>> remember the first posts you had set up for failure on day 1.  It’s like 
>>> learning a language, you can’t learn it word by word or just in dribs and 
>>> drabs, the only real way to learn is full emersion.  If I were learning 
>>> French I’d head to France and plop down in the middle of the country where 
>>> i didn’t have a choice.  Same with computing.  When you decide to learn a 
>>> new operating system you have to cut your self off from the old. You have 
>>> to build up all new muscle memory for keyboard commands.  I’d say 10 to 1 
>>> you kept issuing windows type keyboard commands on the Mac and introducing 
>>> problems not for anything you are doing wrong just because you’re new and 
>>> have built up years of muscle memory for commands in Windows.
>>> You also didn’t value learning the Mac.  You mentioned several times even 
>>> in your first post that you wouldn’t gain anything.  So in the end I’m not 
>>> sure why you bothered.  That’s like walking in to the job interview, 
>>> telling your self you’re not going to get the job anyway and then living up 
>>> to your expectations.:)  If you ever try this again with any platform don’t 
>>> limit yourself to an unreasonable amount of time.  Maybe try an operating 
>>> system like a Linux variant or something with is totally free out of the 
>>> box, won’t cause any financial pressure and you can dedicate to it with out 
>>> otherdistractions like worrying about the costs. No matter what, good 
>>> job or giving it a crack.  It’s good to push the boun

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Which plantronics do you have, I’d be more than happy to help with that.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:26 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> well i took the first step this week. I added my mail accounts to my iPhone. 
> I am using imap so whatever mail is deleted from one vanishes from the other. 
> If i understand imap correctly. just wish i could get my plantronic blue 
> tooth ear piece to sink. for some reason iPhone just doesn't see it. thanks, 
> max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Don’t be Max, there’s nothing to be afraid of if you use a reputable 
>> provider.  Apple, Google, Amazon, very good options and very security 
>> conscious companies.
>> 
>> I just traveled for example and left everything in the cloud.  Granted, I 
>> stayed with in the US so your area may differ but I never felt separated 
>> from my data or felt at a disadvantage, having everything remote was so 
>> convenient. I even had WiFi on the plane so was never isolated from my 
>> content even in the air.  I realize others may not have the inflight 
>> unlimited internet option but you can download what you need for the flight. 
>>  Cloud is good if done well.
>> 
>> Maybe it’s being an old mainframe user that got me used to having my stuff 
>> elsewhere.  My how we have come full circle.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:49 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi; I'm one of those who is a bit leary of storing my data in the cloud. 
>>> thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hi Max, there’s probably no way you’re going to get slots on an iPhone.  
>>>> Google is very anti SD card internally as is Apple so if both companies 
>>>> had their way these storage devices would go away.  I’d be fine with that, 
>>>> not a huge fan of SD cards but that’s me.  I love cloud storage but I know 
>>>> others feel differently.  Because of the cosmetics / aesthetic and also 
>>>> because of the need for thinner and lighter slots aren’t likely.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 12:21 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Tim; My main concerns are video conferencing and managing my websites. 
>>>>> So, I think it has to be mac book air or pro. I actually miss my 12 inch 
>>>>> ibook 4 because like you say what blind person needs a big screen. I 
>>>>> would probably go with the 13 because of the sd slot. question, do you 
>>>>> think this means future versions of the iPhone may also offer additional 
>>>>> storage? i know now we can move info between devices using the cloud, but 
>>>>> having that option would be nice. thanks, max 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in 
>>>>>> DVD drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the 
>>>>>> Air, you need to look at what you want from your computer and how much 
>>>>>> you're willing to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better 
>>>>>> displays, usually can accept more RAM and are simply meant for more 
>>>>>> powerful work.  Of course, with all this, comes a higher ticket price, 
>>>>>> and, why does a blind user require a better display?  the Air is a good 
>>>>>> machine, meant more for the everyday user.  It can still do most things 
>>>>>> that most people would be doing, and actually do it well if you don't 
>>>>>> take the least expensive model.  The iPad Pro is a very nice machine, 
>>>>>> and iOS is likely the way things are moving towards in the future, but 
>>>>>> it will be a while before they become one.  You can do most everything 
>>>>>> on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so that's an option as 
>>>>>> well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is there, but no where 
>>>>>> near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not 
>>>>>> a power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air 
>>>>>> will do just fi

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Max, just back up your data, reformat the drive and reinstall, that in itself 
may make a huge difference for small money.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 9:28 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> sounds like whether i go air or pro I'll be okay. hadn't thought about just 
> swapping the hard drive. h this one is over four years old so I do think 
> its time for a new one. thanks, max 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Max, an iPhone is more than enough to handle all the tasks you mentioned so 
>> any of the laptops will treat you well.  That rotating drive is probably the 
>> slowest part of your machine.  Swap that out and you’ll feel like a new 
>> laptop has taken it’s place.
>> 
>> With a proper implementation of a video service all the transcoding and 
>> tricky stuff is done with big servers in the cloud so your end device is 
>> less critical.  What ever you choose I bet you’ll be very happy.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:54 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> sounds like i would be fine. want to be able to host and join in on live 
>>> events through blab periscope and youtube live as well as use Skype face 
>>> time and zoom. i find that my current mac book pro sometimes doesn't have 
>>> enough horse power but then that's partly because i went cheap and only got 
>>> 4 gb of ram and passed on the flash or what they were calling SSD hard 
>>> drive at the time. Thanks, max 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Max, I presently work for a very large provider of video conferencing 
>>>> tools for the Financial space and can speak to this first hand.
>>>> 
>>>> The Macbook pro gives you the larger screen if you want it, decent Camera 
>>>> and wildly to much power but you’ll look cool at the Starbucks.  If you do 
>>>> a lot of other things like coding or heavy simulations and the like that 
>>>> extra horsepower will be appreciated.  If all you want to do is regular 
>>>> internet access, Skype, FaceTime, jabber etc then an Air will do nicely.  
>>>> Also more portable.  For that matter, we had great results with iPads for 
>>>> pure video plays.  We installed our application and enabled the cellular 
>>>> modem and executives could drop in to video conferences fully encrypted 
>>>> and securely from anywhere and have very good video and audio experiences. 
>>>>  Either device will treat you well it’s just how much extra do you want to 
>>>> do with it.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:53 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How does it perform when using Skype youtube live blab etc? I do  a lot 
>>>>> of online audio and video and plan to do even more in the near future. I 
>>>>> want as much ram as possible. I also wonder if the cameraa is different 
>>>>> on the air than it is on the pro. I'm starting to think that a mac book 
>>>>> air 13 inch might be what I need. thanks, Max 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Max,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> The air is either 11 or 13 inch screan size,
>>>>>> With a less powerfull I5 or I7 processor range,
>>>>>> Starting at 128 gb hard drive up to 512 gb drive space, both use PCE 
>>>>>> flash storage
>>>>>>   And up to 8gb ram.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Note the up to is considered a custom build and has to be ordered as 
>>>>>> they only have sertain machines as general builds.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> The 11 inch has 2 usb 3 ports and 1 thunderbolt where as the 13 inch has 
>>>>>> the same plus an sd card slot on the right edge.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> They are thiner around 1.1 KG approx. 2 pounds,
>>>>>> And a great battery life
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> The pros are more powerfull processors, coming in 13, 15 & 17 inch 
>>>>>> screan sizes,
>>>>>>  And the other specs like ram and harddrive space go up in stages also.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> As do the prices.
>>>>>>  
>

Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!

[Scott Granados]

Absolutely good stuff, I use encryption heavily and like seeing others do the 
same.  I use GPG with Apple mail to send and receive encrypted mail as well as 
digitally sign messages, VPN technology to encrypt everything going over the 
network, File Vault for the disks and yes encrypt Time machine which I use a 
network attached storage device as a target.

Good for you for taking an interest in security.  That’s an important topic.

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Here are some interesting articles about securing data on our Macs and 
> encrypting back ups & external drives.
> 
> 5 Ways to Keep Your Mac's Data Safe and Secure - The Mac Observer
> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/5-ways-to-keep-your-macs-data-safe-and-secure?utm_source=macobserver&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss_tips
>  
> 
> 
> OS X: Encrypting Time Machine Backups - The Mac Observer
> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-encrypting-time-machine-backups 
> 
> 
> Does anyone follow any or all of the above tips?  Do you have additional or 
> alternative recommendations?  I find this stuff fascinating and useful.  
> Maybe other Mac users will as well.
> 
> Enjoy,
> Traci
> 
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Re: The Mail App

[Scott Granados]

I have definitely seen this issue, especially in mail, with rotating disks 
especially slower 5400 RPM models.  What can happen is the disk can become 
fragmented and while Mac OS is supposed to handle this on the fly, it doesn’t 
do a good job especially if you are near full or have lots of files.  
Sometimes, a backup and restore on anew formatted disk can make a world of 
difference.  Or, just replace that disk with an SSD and be prepared to have 
your socks blown off.:)

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 3:02 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Martin,
> 
> First, let me say that the tips you received from Tim, in a previous reply to 
> your post, are excellent.
> 
> Second, while I am certainly not an Apple fan-boy, as I use both Windows 7 
> and Windows 10 on a daily basis, the fact that both you and your wife are 
> experiencing similar problems gives me pause.  The truth is, your experience 
> is not typical.  
> 
> This is not to say that the OS is not without its bugs; however, I would 
> argue that what you are encountering is somewhat rare.  
> 
> In terms of the mail application, which I would argue is the best user-side 
> mail client, for managing huge amounts of messages, please keep in mind that 
> there are a great many factors that impact its performance.  For example, the 
> speed and integrity of your network connection.  Now in comparison to MS 
> Outlook for Windows, it takes much longer for Mac Mail to index large amounts 
> of messages.  So, if you are used to Outlook for Windows, I can understand 
> how you may prefer it, at first, based on the speed at which it locks & 
> loads, so-to-speak.
> 
> Rather than asking you questions, to which you may not know how to answer, I 
> would strongly suggest that you take your computers into an Apple Store for a 
> full diagnostic review.  Assuming that you have Apple Care coverage, doing 
> this will not cost you any money.
> 
> Again, this is just my recommendation for I would hate to think that your 
> opinion of VoiceOver, and to a lesser degree, the Mac, is based on some 
> glitch in your particular systems.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Brown
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Mail App
> 
> Hi Scott and others.
> My Mac Mini has a 500GB hard drive, of which about 400GB is free disk. In 
> terms of memory, should again be sufficient with 4GB.
> 
> I am sending this email from my Windows machine, as my Mac is still being a 
> bugger when trying to run the mail app. Had it on this morning, and it went 
> into a busy mode while doing straight forward tasks, e.g. reading and 
> deleting messages. In fact, I had to do a force quit to get my machine to 
> close down. So, as they say, we have a problem Houston. There are a few 
> things to try yet, but it may well be a case of a clean install.
> 
> I can fully understand the list member who feels the Mac is not for him.
> From the moment I switch on my machine I immediately run into what I assume 
> to be a bug. And, if it is a bug, then it is a long standing one. Namely, 
> nothing seems to have focus on the desk top. I have found ways around this, 
> of course, but for someone completely new to the Mac it is both confusing and 
> very challenging. Not the best introduction to a new operating system.
> 
> 
> This is why at times I get disappointed with Voiceover. I am sure that others 
> have reported such issues to Apple, but nothing seems to get done. If I was 
> in a position to turn Voiceover off, then such problems, along with others, 
> would in all likelihood disappear. I am sure new problems would arise in such 
> a scenario, but as a sighted person I might be in a better position to deal 
> with them.
> 
> My wife is very much an Apple person, as far as mobile devices go, i.e.
> phones and tablets. She also has a desk top Mac and gets the same focus 
> problems that I have mentioned above. She has, in the past, reported bugs on 
> her iPhone. She no longer bothers as the standard reply was, 'we can't 
> reproduce your problem. Could you give us more information.' This reply 
> suggests that the problem is with the user and not the device and its 
> software.
> 
> I have this rather simplistic view of how I might manage, for want of better 
> words, the Voiceover department of this huge company we have all come to know 
> as Apple. While sitting at my desk I would turn on my Mac with Voiceover 
> enabled. The first thing I would notice is, very possibly, that nothing has 
> focus. As this is not how things should be, I would be inclined to try to get 
> to the bottom of this. Sometimes solving little things can solve bigger 
> things as you delve deeper into what might be causing even bigger and more 
> problematic issues for the user.
> 
> Well, there you have it. I am just a very simple minded person.
> Kind Regards:
> Martin 

Re: vm and insert key?

[Scott Granados]

Mike Erigo had some podcasts that were fantastic for learning VM Fusion and 
windows.  I got started using his content myself.  They were on Blindcooltech 
but possibly he can speak up as he’s on list and may have pointers of other 
podcasts he’s done more recently.

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Nancy Badger  wrote:
> 
> Is there a tutorial anywhere for using VM? Especially with VoiceOver?
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Assistant Vice Chancellor, Student Services
> UT Chattanooga
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:27 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, i found a guide about it, here is what you do.
>> go to the from box, press the key left too your number 1 on your
>> keyboard, to go too the too box, press Vo-space, and a list comes up,
>> select the right key, and you are golden.
>> Amazing that little mac book can run windows xp, ss
>> 
>>> On 7/5/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> Just to be clear, are you using sharp keys to make this adjustment or how
>>> are you remapping in vmware?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. in short, what do you do in the too field under mapping of keys in
>>>> vmware?
>>>> i can get from field in cutely enough, but i seem to remember there is
>>>> a list of keys in the too combo box, but when i interact with it ,
>>>> nothing happens,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best Sandi, who is apparently it  seems  having a blonde moment
>>>> despite black mane :)
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Re: semi-ot: Sonar virtual machines and dealing with virtual box

[Scott Granados]

Did you hold down the shift key?

Also, how long did you wait after the drums?

Would be happy to give it a host.  I’ve successfully done this with the stock 
Ubuntu install.
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I tried your instructions, I hear the drumbeat. But then I do not get any 
> speech. Do you have any ideas?
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:43 AM Scott Granados  <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> All you do is boot holding the shift key down, you hear a drumbeat deal and 
> then speech starts.  
> 
> Should be relatively straight forward.
>  
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Devin Prater > <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm, how were you able to boot with speech? I didn’t think much of trying 
>> the mainstream distros, since I’ve heard that Unity isn’t accessible mostly.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Scott Granados >> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How did you try to install it under VMWare?
>>> 
>>> One thing I had excellent luck with was Ubuntu under vmware fusion.  You 
>>> can install it and boot with speech and you pretty much use the normal 
>>> image creation tool, select the image, enter the type of Linux and give it 
>>> a few minutes to build a VM.
>>> 
>>> That might be something to try.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Devin Prater >>> <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. So on my path to learning Linux stuff, I’ve gotten Emacspeak to 
>>>> work with the help of Twitter folks, but now wanna see if Linux will be 
>>>> useful to me as a whole. I’ve gotten Fedora working, sort of, but there 
>>>> aren’t any blind-specific packages that I see on other Linux lists, so I 
>>>> now turn to Sonar. I’ve had VmWare Fusion for a while now, but using Sonar 
>>>> with it just fails after installation, nothing happens. So I got Virtual 
>>>> Box in order to play with an Android talking virtual machine, which 
>>>> stopped talking after updating talkback, and found that besides freezes, 
>>>> probably from it being Android, ported to x86 architecture, it ran pretty 
>>>> quickly and responsively, unlike VmWare unless you tweet settings in VMX 
>>>> files. So, are there any tips for more easily using Virtual Box, like 
>>>> adding iOS files to virtual machines and running them, when I tried it 
>>>> didn’t work, or anyone that has a Sonar Virtual machine that works in 
>>>> Virtual box, or VmWare somehow?
>>>> Sent from my Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> d.pra...@me.com <mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Make icloud go away

[Scott Granados]

You really can’t, you can not enable it but the current OS really depends a lot 
on iCloud.

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:03 PM, -  wrote:
> 
> 
> My mac has started during bootup to ask me twice in a row for my icloud 
> passsword.  I choose cancel to continue.
> 
> I have tinkered in system preferences icloud with various settings to no 
> avail.
> 
> How can I make icloud go away?
> 
> I don't use it and have no intention nor interest to ever do so.
> 
> Thanks.
> XB
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

There are also packages from Microsoft that can do the translations.  In our 
case I believe we worked closely with MS so didn’t use any of the open source 
solutions.  All I know is the process cored all the time and we had to 
constantly restart things.  So bad www eventually just scripted a process to 
look for the core file in the directory and automatically send an alert and 
restart the service.

Ugly stuff!


> On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I could only imagine the Skype to sip being a real headache. From Howtos on 
> sites like Nerd Vittles, it looks like there would be sighted assistance 
> needed to set one up because we couldn't get remote Orca speech to deal with 
> the Skype client side of it all if you were to host this in the cloud. . I 
> think it involved some shim that hooked into the now gone Skype api and 
> routed the audio part through virtual sound devices so something like 
> Asterisk could send and receive to it. The other option would probably be to 
> use USB to RJ11 adapters similar to the Magicjack dongle and use the bridge 
> to Skype for the rest, bringing the audio side in as an analog phone line. I 
> don't know how multiple simultaneous calls would be handled, unless several 
> Skype clients would need to run as different users on the system with 
> separate virtual or other audio devices for each. I remember at one time 
> hearing of a Skype connect thing just for this purpose, but they yanked it. I 
> used to love Skype when it was simple before MS bought them, but now it's too 
> bloated with stuff most would never use just to call or chat.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read
> 
> 
> Don’t blame you, don’t like the non standard stuff either.  Not a huge 
> FaceTime user for the same reason.  Likes my protocols open.:)
> 
> I had to manage some Skype to SIP gateways and it was unpleasant.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 4:14 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> No Skype.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 16:04, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have Skype call? And when ever is good for you I will try to work 
>>> with my schedule to make things work. Before anybody asks or you ask my 
>>> services are free unless I have to come there to assist you.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
>>>> time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on 
>>>> the Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and 
>>>> be more independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my 
>>>> Mac, the person made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave 
>>>> me a lesson to remember.
>>>> 
>>>> So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
>>>>> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the 
>>>>> days of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
>>>>> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few. I'd 
>>>>> say out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 
>>>>> minutes to an hour out of that timeframe.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
>>>>> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, 
>>>>> or Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
>>>>> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
>>>>> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge 
>>>>> for this clas

Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Simon, what attracts you to the boot camp solution?  I’m interested you seem to 
prefer this.  I am a VM fan but wonder what advantages you’re finding running 
windows separately.  I would have thought having both available at the same 
time would be preferable.  Give me your take on things, very interested.

Thank you

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:15 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Arnold,
>  
> I work with both windows and mac systems / machines,
>  
> I do a lot of work both at home and work with active directory and exchange 
> servers so I prefer to use windows for exchange and windows active directory 
> admin tools for AD. The AD tools is not something that at this point can be 
> done from a mac or at least that we have found.
>  
> I also find that speed for me in windows is  still greater due to years more 
> of use so I still fall back to that for comfort.
>  
>  
> I play more of my media on the mac as it’s better setup for media both 
> playing and production.
> But being able to have both systems in one machine is an excellent choice, I 
> can flick between OS’s within 20 seconds
>  
> But mainly it’s comfort and a lack of knowledge and then the power tools that 
> make me use the windows machine.
> Hope that helps
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon f
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling 
> Mac users: Please read
>  
> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you 
> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now 
> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply 
> work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user 
> simply does not know how to do something well when they say something doesn't 
> work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more experienced 
> users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be available to me on the 
> Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System Access works, and it sounds 
> as if scanning and reading, by importing everything into a word processing 
> app is about more trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB 
> reader on my iPhone.  But what else does windows do better?  Thanks for any 
> opinions.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

One time use buddy.:)


> On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah scott, but paper plates get wet when you wash them.
>  
> Lol.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Cheap solution to this whole problem… Paper plates.
>  
> Paper plates are the best or really plastic laminated paper plates.:)
>  
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Andy  <mailto:meikle.ai...@btinternet.com>> wrote:
>  
> Hi Simon.
>  
> I find your generosity astonishing my friend.  Do you not think it would be 
> cheeper getting a house-cleaner rather than spend all that lovely cash flying 
> me over and ofcourse accomodating me in a five star hotel, from Scotland, 
> just to wash your dishes.  This must be the height of lazyness!
>  
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Simon Fogarty <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:34 AM
> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Andy,
>  
> Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Andy
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Hi Arnold.
>  
> I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?
> I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  That's 
> the way I like it!
>  
> I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
> every new experience and see this learning experience as an important 
> milestone in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it 
> aint!
>  
>  
> I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member 
> of this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm 
> a happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
> importantly, I'll enjoy it!
>  
> Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
> different!
>  
> Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>  
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Katie Zodrow <mailto:kzodrow...@att.net>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Hi Arnold.
> That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
> continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
> won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt  <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com>> wrote:
> 
> Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, I 
> am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one back 
> the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - 
> From: Simon Fogarty <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Hi arnld,
> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple os.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. 
> My information that I would like you to have been say

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

So at my employer we have a unix front end which is what we used to work with a 
domain controller that was managed by another team.  I did not however set it 
up but if there is any interest I can get a copy of the confluence articles we 
have documenting the processes and tools.


> On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> LDAP tools isn't really going to help though in a domain environment, We have 
> Active directory for domain based authentication but in other situations our 
> LDAP authentication is through an Oracle based system.
> 
> The unix or linux based services aren't really goiog to help in these 
> situation.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 1:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> Simon, you want to look towards the unix tools for this type of thing.  the 
> Open LDAP stuff along with SMB4 aught to be able to help here.  Aught to be 
> able to edit LDAP Schema that way with the Open LDAP browser etc.  I try to 
> stay away from this windows stuff but I’ve seen a lot recently for complete 
> domain controller replacements with Linux and interaction with the databases 
> etc.
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Sandy mark and others,
>> 
>> Yeah the mac is great for being able to run a bootcamp or dual boot system.
>> 
>> As a power user of the windows environment I need to have it with me where 
>> ever I go, at least that is my reason for always having my notebook with me.
>> 
>> But apple also now allow you through or with vm fusion to run mac os 
>> vms which you can't do on a windows machine,  The mac os and voiceover allow 
>> for the same usage of the touch pad on a notebook such as my mac book air to 
>> be used like I use my iPhone touch screan.
>> 
>> What I am currently looking for though is an app for my mac book air on the 
>> mac OSX side that will allow me to interact with an active directory domain 
>> inferstructure  doing such things as group creation adding and  removing 
>> users setting up and changing computers and possibly some work with Group 
>> policies in some OU's for the organisation.
>> 
>> But at this point I appear to be pushing things a bit.
>> 
>> Does anyone know of any OSX apps that will allow this kind of access to a 
>> domain inferstructure?
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Jazmin 
>> Kruse
>> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find out 
>> what do people need, and take it from there.
>> As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i use 
>> windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
>> For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write 
>> write. it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid 
>> questions are the once not asked.
>> Sandi
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> Hello Arnold,
>>> 
>>> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  
>>> Because, you remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my 
>>> Mac journey.  This is to say, even after owning an iPhone for some 
>>> time, I found that learning how to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, 
>>> extremely frustrating, at first--especially given my then expertise with 
>>> Jaws for Windows.
>>> 
>>> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they 
>>> merely wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to 
>>> themselves that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out 
>>> of frustration with the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does 
>>> something can, in many instances directly affect the outcome of the 
>>> exploration, itself.
>>> 
>>> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac 
>>> because I was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering 
>>> that they deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature 
>>> that shipped with the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy 
>>> of that particular beta which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly 
>>> compre

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Tim, totally get it.  In the days of CRT tubes I used to leave mine off to keep 
the ringing from my ears.  That’s before I blew out my hearing so now it 
doesn’t matter, ring away.  People would freak out though, I totally get your 
example.:)

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You are totally correct Scott with respect to blind users and the use case.  
> For the most part, the comment about blind users requiring a nice screen was 
> meant as a funny, but I can see where it may have fallen flat.  Myself, I 
> also work with sighted people all the time, and, for work, have my souped up 
> 2011 15" MBP, a couple iMacs, some MacPros and some rather old iMacs as well 
> just for fun.  I often dim the screen in meetings and forget to turn it back 
> up for others when they wish to see what's on my screen.  I just tell them 
> that I can see it just fine like that, what's their problem :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 18:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering 
> network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense 
> applications.  Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to 
> look over his shoulder.  So there are some applications where a blind person 
> who you might not think has any need for a screen does.  Maybe not for direct 
> use but there can be other benefits.
> 
> It’s all about the use cases I guess.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
>> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
>> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, 
>> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user 
>> require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the 
>> everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, 
>> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The 
>> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving 
>> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You 
>> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so 
>> that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is 
>> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>> 
>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>>> 
>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>>> 
>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du tol no I 
>>> wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring both mac 
>>> os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>>> keyboard which will

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

This is one area I have issues with apple.  Especially in the pro line I wish 
they would support more than 16GB.  As someone who likes to spin up a lot of 
VSRX instances,  it would be nice to have lots of extra memory.

Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I suspect 
I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:)

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Max 
> 
> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine,
> No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which 
> there is only one model of.
> 
> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in 
> the pros now are ssd 
> So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to 
> 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram 
> and 1TB SSD 
> But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing 
> then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 
> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the 
>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the 
>> iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for 
>> quad speakers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>>> 
>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>>> I miss something obvious?
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
>>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
>>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
>>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
>>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
>>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
>>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

If you buy a new air it will have the latest chipset as well.  I think you’ll 
be in good shape.

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:51 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> well i know the pro has a stronger processor but i've gotten away with 4 gb 
> ram for a long time now. so am thinking air it is, Max
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Max
>> 
>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine,
>> No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which 
>> there is only one model of.
>> 
>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in 
>> the pros now are ssd
>> So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to 
>> 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram 
>> and 1TB SSD
>> But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing 
>> then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
>> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
>> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
>> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
>> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
>> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
>> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 
>> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the
>>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than 
>>> the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great 
>>> for quad speakers.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> 
 I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
 inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
 
 I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  
 Did I miss something obvious?
 ---
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 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries"
 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
 Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
 
 
 Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother.
 He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that
 with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about
 everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad
 pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac
 book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
 
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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Scott Granados]

Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark and 
Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And I’ve read 
and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is far more 
restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it so never 
participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime and through the 
legal department at my employer that the public beta is a different animal.  
But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive selves and stifle legal 
discussions that will benefit our community it’s their list.
However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in an open 
discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear of retribution 
for their comments.  (public betas of software only please, the developer 
closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and channels.

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect. Cara and 
> Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from here, go ahead.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.
>> 
>> Public being the key word here.
>> 
>> Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr >> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are 
>>> strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the beta 
>>> testing of IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well as the 
>>> public beta.  Bear in mind that the public beta is public strictly in the 
>>> sence that the public has access to it without paying a developer fee:  
>>> but, open discussion of findings is strictly forbidden.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty >>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi List folks,
>>>>  
>>>> Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 
>>>> 10 beta release.
>>>>  
>>>> Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in 
>>>> IOS 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.
>>>>  
>>>> The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after 
>>>> updating.
>>>>  
>>>> But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in 
>>>> the touch sensor.
>>>>  
>>>> Cheers for any information.
>>>> 
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Re: Safari question

[Scott Granados]

Lol or Denzel Washington works in the Equalizer and beats up Russian bad guys 
with building supplies.

Good times, especially in IMAX.

I’m more of a Lowes man myself but the home Depot is a good place.  

Bringing this on topic they sell a lot of tech home goods now including the 
Nest line of devices and the August locks that work with the iPhone.  There’s a 
whole home tech section now, dangerous area to walk through though, your 
pockets end up lighter hanging out in that area to long. They also have a 
surprising amount of higher end network cable and outlets.

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hell, even I knew what the home depot was / is, and I've never been there and 
> we don't have it as a company in NZ,
> But it's in books and movies all the time, where else does a criminal go to 
> get there paint and other things to disgize the car they stole.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 4:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Safari question
> 
> hi,
> 
> Very interesting.  Cool how we live in our own little worlds.  There's no way 
> in the world that I thought an American resident would not be familiar with 
> the Home Depot.  I guess that it's a matter of prospective and what circles 
> we involve ourselves in.  Oh well, I digress.  Regarding the Home Depot US 
> site, you are totally correct in that it does seem to hang Safari once the 
> search results are attempting to be displayed.  The Home Depot Canadian 
> version is a little slow to load, but does work and is usable, but the US 
> version seems to hang indefinitely.  The two things that I'd suggest would be 
> first to try searching in Google instead.  That is, for example, if you were 
> looking for a freezer, type "freezer home depot" in your Google search field 
> and see if going in the back way makes a difference.  the second would be to 
> use the Home Depot app as previously suggested, if you do indeed have an iOS 
> device to do this on.  Otherwise, a call to the Home Depot web support people 
> may be in order.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 03:26, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> What type things are you searching for?  Given that I've never ever heard of 
> this site, it would be useful to know what type things to search for 
> specifically.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Jim Gatteys" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 2:36 AM
> Subject: Safari question
> 
> 
> Hi all!
> I am still running Yosemite and I've noticed that when I go to one web site 
> in particular safari is really slow.
> It is the homedepot web site,
> http://www.homedepot.com
> There is a search box there that says what can we help you find and when I 
> enter text there it takes forever to do anything after that.  I just wondered 
> if somebody might go there and try to search for something to see if they get 
> the same results.  I might be forced to upgrade to El Capitan.
> :)
> 
> I've tried using google chrome and it works pretty well but I don't seem to 
> be able to do option-tab to go to the search field.  Maybe there is a setting 
> I need to take a look at.
> Thanks for any help.
> Jim
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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Scott Granados]

I disagree, being that our needs are so under represented sometimes do the 
small size of our community I think it’s important to discuss openly, 
especially as concerned directly to Voice Over.  The call routing issue being 
at the top of the list for example since it directly impacts us all as iPhone 
users, unique to our needs and actively being addressed in the Beta.  Public 4 
for example of the current train breaking call routing after it was fixed in 3 
and seeming better in the recent release of 5.  ETc.  Others have safari 
rendering concerns, performance, and so forth.  Many on this list also 
participate.  I think we have a unique group here with a lot of built in skills 
that benefit from open discussion again of public things.  I’m on the same page 
with you on the developer releases and they should remain under wraps for many 
of the reasons you state as well as for Apple’s protection of their 
intellectual property.  Once it’s n the wild and publicly available though I 
think we have more to gain than lose by it’s discussion.  No matter my thoughts 
though, It’s Mark and Kara’s list so I will of course honor their wishes even 
though I strongly disagree with them.

You also have raised good points, I don’t think they apply in this case but 
they were as always well stated.  Just my $.02 
 


> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:30 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   Not to play devil's advocate (why the devil..) but one very good reason for 
> this ruling is to reduce anxiety and endless questions about new releases 
> Discussing bugs in beta software on a mailing list like this one is counter 
> productive especially for those of us who are not participating in a beta 
> program. The ruling would also preclude some from stating disclaimers that 
> he/she will not openly discuss issues in beta software.
> 
>   If there is a mailing list for beta testers, that is where to take it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
> 
> On 7/10/2016 8:34 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark
>> and Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And
>> I’ve read and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is
>> far more restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it
>> so never participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime
>> and through the legal department at my employer that the public beta is
>> a different animal.  But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive
>> selves and stifle legal discussions that will benefit our community it’s
>> their list.
>> However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in
>> an open discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear
>> of retribution for their comments.  (public betas of software only
>> please, the developer closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and
>> channels.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect.
>>> Cara and Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from
>>> here, go ahead.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> 
>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>>
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados >>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>
>>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.
>>>> 
>>>> Public being the key word here.
>>>> 
>>>> Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr >>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are
>>>>> strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the
>>>>> beta testing of IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well
>>>>> as the public beta.  Bear in mind that the public beta is public
>>>>> 

Re: iMac fusion Drive versus standard Drive

[Scott Granados]

Hi there,

First, this is  not true about fusion entirely.  Yes, a lot of people were let 
go from the team as a part of the Dell EMC merger if memory serves.  The 
product is still being developed and sold.  It’s also very good and I use it 
heavily and find it totally accessible.  So yes, I would spend the money if it 
were me.  Parallels is not an option do to accessibility issues and virtual box 
supposedly has a good command line interface and such but I haven’t used it 
personally.

As for the drive question, a Fusion drive is much faster than a rotating drive 
and an SSD drive is faster than a fusion.  Fusion uses An sad drive combined 
with a rotating drive.  The stuff frequently accessed lives on the SSD for fast 
recall and writing and the less frequently used code is stored on the rotating 
portion.  When you access the rotating portion it’s slower until it moves to 
the SSD and so forth.  A pure SSD drive stores everything in a near instantly 
available form using solid state circuits rather than 1960s rotating magnetic 
platter technology.  Fusion is a good choice, you’ll get a nic healthy boost in 
performance.

The stats I have read on SSD drives indicate they are 30 to 50 times faster 
than their rotating counterparts.  Fusion should over average use and time fall 
somewhere in-between the two.

Enjoy that new iMac, that’s a great platform.

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> On Thursday I will be receiving my new iMac. It is the 2.8 processor with a 2 
> TB fusion Drive and 16 gigs of RAM. In line with this new Mac, I want 
> performance and speed over space, though I did choose a 2 TB drive because it 
> is The best of both worlds.
> My concern is fusion. VMware fusion. Last I heard, it will no longer be in 
> development anymore due to most of their staff being laid off. With this in 
> mind, keeping in mind the fact that I do plan on upgrading to macOS Sierra 
> when it comes out, is VMware fusion a viable solution after El Capitan? Also, 
> for those that have fusion drives, how do you like them? Is it better then 
> standard drive you get by default?
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!

[Scott Granados]

I personally would rather some sort of RSA or DH scheme for encryption but 
braille ain’t a bad idea.:)  Especially for communicating in the clear.  To 
easy to translate though but if memory serves didn’t braille come from a 
military code originally?

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> 
> Interesting thought on the BRL file for storing passwords,
> 
> I can honestly say that if you did that and I got hold of the file or a 
> printed list of passwords written in braille I'd still be reading it in 6 
> months.
> 
> It's not that I can't read braille but I just don’t' do it enough to remember 
> it as well as I should.
> 
> I just encrypt my files for those I need to.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 1:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!
> 
> Traci and others,
>Finally took a look at these articles. I did not see any responses but 
> here is what I see in this.
> 
>What are the risks with encryption? Forget a password and you are dead in 
> the water? I suppose those of us who can create braille hard copy should be 
> safe. Or even a brf file kept on a braille display.
> 
>With so many passwords, sometimes I am overwhelmed even with an app like 
> 1Password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/7/2016 1:52 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>> Here are some interesting articles about securing data on our Macs and 
>> encrypting back ups & external drives.
>> 
>> 5 Ways to Keep Your Mac's Data Safe and Secure - The Mac Observer 
>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/5-ways-to-keep-your-macs-data-s
>> afe-and-secure?utm_source=macobserver&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss_
>> tips
>> 
>> OS X: Encrypting Time Machine Backups - The Mac Observer 
>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-encrypting-time-machine-ba
>> ckups
>> 
>> Does anyone follow any or all of the above tips?  Do you have 
>> additional or alternative recommendations?  I find this stuff 
>> fascinating and useful.  Maybe other Mac users will as well.
>> 
>> Enjoy,
>> Traci
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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Scott Granados]

Thanks for the pointer, I will go ahead and do this.  Love the Applevis 
resources.

Thank you

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> If you are interested in subscribing to the apple beta discussion group you 
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> https://rogertalk.com/group/u8TSs28IkMXj 
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> 
> God bless.
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> 
>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 17:18, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> www.applevis.com <http://www.applevis.com/> has great forums discussing the 
>> public betas and VoiceOver.
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM Scott Granados > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> I disagree, being that our needs are so under represented sometimes do the 
>> small size of our community I think it’s important to discuss openly, 
>> especially as concerned directly to Voice Over.  The call routing issue 
>> being at the top of the list for example since it directly impacts us all as 
>> iPhone users, unique to our needs and actively being addressed in the Beta.  
>> Public 4 for example of the current train breaking call routing after it was 
>> fixed in 3 and seeming better in the recent release of 5.  ETc.  Others have 
>> safari rendering concerns, performance, and so forth.  Many on this list 
>> also participate.  I think we have a unique group here with a lot of built 
>> in skills that benefit from open discussion again of public things.  I’m on 
>> the same page with you on the developer releases and they should remain 
>> under wraps for many of the reasons you state as well as for Apple’s 
>> protection of their intellectual property.  Once it’s n the wild and 
>> publicly available though I think we have more to gain than lose by it’s 
>> discussion.  No matter my thoughts though, It’s Mark and Kara’s list so I 
>> will of course honor their wishes even though I strongly disagree with them.
>> 
>> You also have raised good points, I don’t think they apply in this case but 
>> they were as always well stated.  Just my $.02 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:30 PM, E.T. >> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>>   Not to play devil's advocate (why the devil..) but one very good reason 
>>> for this ruling is to reduce anxiety and endless questions about new 
>>> releases Discussing bugs in beta software on a mailing list like this one 
>>> is counter productive especially for those of us who are not participating 
>>> in a beta program. The ruling would also preclude some from stating 
>>> disclaimers that he/she will not openly discuss issues in beta software.
>>> 
>>>   If there is a mailing list for beta testers, that is where to take it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/2016 8:34 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>> Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark
>>>> and Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And
>>>> I’ve read and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is
>>>> far more restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it
>>>> so never participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime
>>>> and through the legal department at my employer that the public beta is
>>>> a different animal.  But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive
>>>> selves and stifle legal discussions that will benefit our community it’s
>>>> their list.
>>>> However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in
>>>> an open discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear
>>>> of retribution for their comments.  (public betas of software only
>>>> please, the developer closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and
>>>> channels.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >>>> <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com>
>&g

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the chips 
in any physical configuration you want.  It’s not like the old IBM 990K where 
you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons wouldn’t 
over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise.

Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but 
give it a few years.  We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you want.

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeahscott,
> 
> My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core 
> processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive.
> 
> I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy 
> to fit in a bag if I'm mobile.
> But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time.
> Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the 
> keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> This is one area I have issues with apple.  Especially in the pro line I wish 
> they would support more than 16GB.  As someone who likes to spin up a lot of 
> VSRX instances,  it would be nice to have lots of extra memory.
> 
> Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I suspect 
> I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:)
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Max
>> 
>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great 
>> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older 
>> model which there is only one model of.
>> 
>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the 
>> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what the 
>> pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 
>> inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not doing 
>> anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you shouldbe able 
>> to get away with the air up speced.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
>> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
>> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
>> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
>> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
>> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
>> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 
>> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the 
>>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than 
>>> the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great 
>>> for quad speakers.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>>>> 
>>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  
>>>> Did I miss something obvious?
>>>> ---
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>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>> 
>>>> clgillan...@gmail

Re: only want to back up a few items

[Scott Granados]

Tim and others, what about something like superdooper?


You could also do this with a network drive and a script in cron but that is 
probably outside the scope of this list.
 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Time Machine may still work.  If you tell it to exclude the /Applications 
> folder, the system folder and the Library folder, it will bring up a warning 
> about whether you wish to exclude some System files or all of them.  If you 
> choose all of them, then you can significantly reduce the backup size.  I 
> believe that CCC or SuperDuper may work for you as well, although I haven't 
> used them for backups like this.  The beauty of using any of these solutions 
> is that they will perform incremental backups automatically, just saving what 
> has been changed.  this is usually much more efficient than simply copying 
> things over every few days.
> 
> Later..
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 09:35, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I plan on using a 32GB USB drive.  It’s tiny, so if I want to have it 
> with me, I have my most important folders from my Mac.  I’m not clear if Time 
> Machine is my best solution for backing up/syncing half a dozen folders/files.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Kimber Gardner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> How about an external drive or cloud storage?
>> 
>> On 7/11/16, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> Is there a good back up/sync solution if I only want to back up a handful of
>>> items?  For example, I want to back up music, photos, a folder inside
>>> documents, and a couple protected DMG folders.  The DMG folders inside
>>> documents often change and update, they are works in progress.
>>> 
>>> From my Googling, it sounds like it is difficult in Time Machine to only
>>> include items.  Time Machine’s set up is to exclude.  If I want to back up a
>>> handful, I imagine my exclusion list would be large.
>>> 
>>> Any advice or guidance on this?  Also, is there a way in Time Machine to
>>> limit the number of snap shots?  I’m not really looking to access a snap
>>> shot from 3 Months ago.
>>> 
>>> I remember I had this cool program in Windows, where I plugged in a USB
>>> drive and had it set up to back up 3 or 4 folders on my system.  It had
>>> something like 3 options to back up changes, replace, or duplicate.  If I
>>> remember correctly, it was meant for the person that may take their USB
>>> drive to work or school, change files on it, then want to save those changes
>>> to their system at home.  They could then continue to work on the files at
>>> home and save those changes back to the USB drive.  I cannot remember the
>>> name of the program, but it met my needs perfectly.  :)
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Traci
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

First, the number in front of the CPU is basically meaningless.  The gigahertz 
number is just the frequency of the master clock.  There used to be a time 
where this had some meaning.  Chips were similar and one with a faster clock 
rate should in theory compute faster but that isn’t really the case any more.
Different instruction sets, cache sizes, pipelines, number of cores, 
word length, and on and on really are the factors.  A much better measurement 
is flops or floating point operations per second.  There are other bench mark 
standards as well but the basic idea is it’s more meaningful to actually 
measure the amount of data computed rather than the rate of the oscillator.
The way that multiprocessing used to be done is that say two processors 
would be set up in parallel and each would trigger by either the positive or 
negative of the wave form.  When the sine wave went negative it might trip 
processor A and when it went 180 degrees out of phase to the positive it would 
trip the other.  The Fairlight CMI II was a good example of a computer that 
works this way.
Now there’s all sorts of things happening with multiple processors per 
dye, possibly multiple processor chips per computer each with it’s own set of 
cores.  A Dec Alpha chip in the old days at 400 MHZ smoked the hell out of a 
Pentium at 900 MHZ because of the differences in the instruction set. If you 
want to see a discussion on benchmarking and FLOPS I’d highly suggest a trip 
over to top500.org.  It’s a fascinating look at the top 500 largest super 
computers in the unclassified space, their architecture and how each is 
measured in performance. 

Hope that clears it up a little.

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> Yes, not sure how much the CPU speed number really means these days. It seems 
> that with the airs being in the 1.5 ghz range, are they really faster than 
> something, say, like an old 2008 Mac Book that had around a 2.3 or 2.4 gig 
> chip? I know we have more cores and hyperthreading now, but if we didn't care 
> that much about having the thinnest thing around, would we be better off 
> getting the regular Mac Book?
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2016 8:13 AM
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> 
> A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the 
> chips in any physical configuration you want.  It’s not like the old IBM 990K 
> where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons 
> wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise.
> 
> Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but 
> give it a few years.  We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you 
> want.
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeahscott,
>> 
>> My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core 
>> processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive.
>> 
>> I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy 
>> to fit in a bag if I'm mobile.
>> But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time.
>> Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the 
>> keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> This is one area I have issues with apple.  Especially in the pro line I 
>> wish they would support more than 16GB.  As someone who likes to spin up a 
>> lot of VSRX instances,  it would be nice to have lots of extra memory.
>> 
>> Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I 
>> suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:)
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Max
>>> 
>>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great
>>> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older 
>>> model which there is only one model of.
>>> 
>>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the
>>> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what the
>>> pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 
>>> inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not doing 
>>> anything like major

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

So here’s my problem with the article.

I think it’s fantastic what this young lady is doing, I absolutely support her 
efforts.  I also am thrilled that apple hired someone from our community for 
the design side.  I’m also happy Google does the same now and there’s 
discussion of teaching children to code.

My problem is with the reporter.  These articles are so damn fluff happy.  Look 
at Apple saving the day for blind people.  Like it’s something new.  Never mind 
you John and I built parts of the networks this reporter publishes on.:)  The 
article leads the reader to believe that blind people could only code until 
recently.  This blind guy as a child started coding 33+ years ago learning 
things like 6502 assembler, Apple Soft, PASCAL, then C and so forth. We used 
apples or PCs or what ever to get it done and in some ways have been directly 
or indirectly involved with the development of computers since the very 
beginning.  Real trail blazers like your self or Ray Kurzweil building devices 
to help his child, certain musicians with very deep pockets who brought some of 
the funding to the table, any blind person at all who successfully landed a job 
and held it showing others in our own little way we’re just people doing the 
same things that everyone else does, try to help take care of your selves, 
families and participate in our communities.
I guess part of me just wishes that instead of being singled out and 
made to be some sort of something special we were just dealt with and reflected 
on by reporters especially as just another part of society.  Lest I get way to 
NFB here:) but there’s something to be said for being lumped in with everyone 
else.:)  The special attention sometimes makes us seem well special in the 
sense we’re not the norm, we’re almost untouchable and separate to make a 
reference to a really unfortunate cultural label in eastern societies.
The same thing happens with reporters who publish puff pieces on 
artificial vision advances or medical advances that cure illnesses related to 
blindness.  I don’t know how many articles I’ve read where some gadget is going 
to save us from our selves and totally make it all better.  Things ain’t that 
bad.  What’s bad is convincing the public we need to be saved.
Maybe I’m just becoming a grumpy old man like I was afraid of when I 
was young.

Still, congratulations to this young lady but also congratulations to all the 
other engineers at apple some of which are on this list.  And congratulations 
to you John and others who have made countless contributions to technology in 
general.

Ah well, what’s the expression, there’s no such thing as bad publicity?  
Suppose that’s true.


  


> On Jul 11, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Well, this is interesting story. I don't believe they mention anything about 
> braille. But at least it shows there are people  at Apple  working on 
> accessibility.
> http://mashable.com/2016/07/10/apple-innovation-blind-engineer/#RihiKu145Oqr 
> 
> 
> This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22
> 
> Apple engineer Jordyn Castor has never been one for limitations. 
> 
> She was born 15 weeks early, weighing just under two pounds. Her grandfather 
> could hold her in the palm of his hand, and could even slide his wedding ring 
> along her arm and over her shoulder. Doctors said she had a slim chance of 
> survival.
> 
> It was Castor's first brush with limited expectations — and also the first 
> time she shattered them.
> 
> Castor, now 22, has been blind since birth, a result of her early delivery. 
> But throughout childhood, her parents encouraged her to defy expectations of 
> people with disabilities, motivating her to be adventurous, hands-on and 
> insatiably curious.
> 
> It was that spirit that led to her interact with technology, whether it was 
> the desktop computer her family bought when she was in second grade, or the 
> classroom computer teachers encouraged her to use in school. 
> 
>  <>"I could help make technology more accessible for blind users."
> She says the adults in her life would often hand her a gadget, telling her to 
> figure it out and show them how to use it. And she would.
> 
> "I realized then I could code on the computer to have it fulfill the tasks I 
> wanted it to," says Castor, whose current work focuses on enhancing features 
> like VoiceOver for blind Apple users. "I came to realize that with my 
> knowledge of computers and technology, I could help change the world for 
> people with disabilities.
> 
> "I could help make technology more accessible for blind users."
> 
> Bringing a personal perspective to Apple innovation
> 
> There's an often overlooked component of "diversity" in workplace initiatives 
> — the need to include the perspectives of people with disabilities.
> 
> Keeping tabs on the needs of the blind and low-vi

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Hi David, you know, I’ve heard that 70% number for ever, even pre 1995.  I hope 
you’re right though, I’d love to see that number drop meaningfully.


> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:24 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Actually, those stats are from a study which is about 18 years old. Even 
> worse, however, is the stats about unemployment of the blind. Those stats, 
> often sited in studies across the board, come from a study published in 1995 
> or 1997 (I would need to look it up again for the exact date). The most 
> recent info I have seen was published by the state of Oregon in 2007 (if 
> memory serves) which places blindness unemployment rate at around 60%, not 
> the often sited 70% to 80%. Note: I researched this in 2012, so am unaware of 
> any data published since then.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: nexu...@icloud.com 
> Mobile: 0450 788 988
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> On 12 Jul 2016, at 08:30, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Interesting stats they mention about correlation between braille literacy 
>> and employment. I just had an iOS developer reach out to me who said WWDC 
>> had a heavy emphasis on accessibility this year. I've never been so I can't 
>> compare. I hope that's true. Nothing but good can come from more developers 
>> become aware and care.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 7/11/16 2:29 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>> Well, this is interesting story. I don't believe they mention anything 
>>> about braille. But at least it shows there are people  at Apple  working on 
>>> accessibility.
>>> http://mashable.com/2016/07/10/apple-innovation-blind-engineer/#RihiKu145Oqr
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22
>>> 
>>> Apple engineer Jordyn Castor has never been one for limitations. 
>>> 
>>> She was born 15 weeks early, weighing just under two pounds. Her 
>>> grandfather could hold her in the palm of his hand, and could even slide 
>>> his wedding ring along her arm and over her shoulder. Doctors said she had 
>>> a slim chance of survival.
>>> 
>>> It was Castor's first brush with limited expectations — and also the first 
>>> time she shattered them.
>>> 
>>> Castor, now 22, has been blind since birth, a result of her early delivery. 
>>> But throughout childhood, her parents encouraged her to defy expectations 
>>> of people with disabilities, motivating her to be adventurous, hands-on and 
>>> insatiably curious.
>>> 
>>> It was that spirit that led to her interact with technology, whether it was 
>>> the desktop computer her family bought when she was in second grade, or the 
>>> classroom computer teachers encouraged her to use in school. 
>>> 
>>>  <>"I could help make technology more accessible for blind users." 
>>> She says the adults in her life would often hand her a gadget, telling her 
>>> to figure it out and show them how to use it. And she would.
>>> 
>>> "I realized then I could code on the computer to have it fulfill the tasks 
>>> I wanted it to," says Castor, whose current work focuses on enhancing 
>>> features like VoiceOver for blind Apple users. "I came to realize that with 
>>> my knowledge of computers and technology, I could help change the world for 
>>> people with disabilities.
>>> 
>>> "I could help make technology more accessible for blind users."
>>> 
>>> Bringing a personal perspective to Apple innovation
>>> 
>>> There's an often overlooked component of "diversity" in workplace 
>>> initiatives — the need to include the perspectives of people with 
>>> disabilities.
>>> 
>>> Keeping tabs on the needs of the blind and low-vision community is a key 
>>> component of Apple's innovation in accessibility. Castor is proof of how 
>>> much that can strengthen a company.
>>> 
>>> She was a college student at Michigan State University when she was first 
>>> introduced to Apple at a Minneapolis job fair in 2015. Castor went to the 
>>> gathering of employers, already knowing the tech giant would be there — and 
>>> she was nervous.
>>> 
>>> "You aren't going to know unless you try," she thought. "You aren't going 
>>> to know unless you talk to them ... so go."
>>> 
>>>  <>
>>> 
>>> Apple engineer Jordyn Castor poses for a headshot. Castor is a driving 
>>> force behind accessibility of Apple products, especially for blind users.
>>> 
>>> Image: Provided by Apple and Jordyn Castor
>>> 
>>> Castor told Apple reps how amazed she was by the iPad she received as a 
>>> gift for her 17th birthday just a few years earlier. It raised her passion 
>>> for tech to another level — mainly due to the iPad's immediate 
>>> accessibility.
>>> 
>>> "Everything just worked and was accessible just right out of the box," 
>

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might be 
a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re using 
the later, any impressions?



> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, I 
> installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and a 1 
> TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite well 
> with El Capitan now.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most people 
> could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but getting 
> things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. Then again, 
> it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three year mark 
> before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 MacBook 
> Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac G4 in the 
> basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no longer planned 
> obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that requires more and 
> more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the call on whether I 
> can live with a particular piece of hardware running software frozen in time. 
> At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 even if it's a bit pokey.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>> to the board.
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
>>> in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for 
>>> RAM upgrades.
>>>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>>>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>>>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>>>> 
>>>> Portia.
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>>>> Hey Arnold,
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Portia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>>>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>>>>> gig
>>>>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>>>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>>> 
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

I was thinking of picking one up to run a protools setup as well as video 
editing.

I like the idea of a round case.:)  Also that’s a ton of cores you can load up 
in that thing.

Thanks I suspected they were very good, nice to hear from sone with first hand 
experience.

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> MacPro it is.  I have three at various locations within our School District, 
> a few older X-Serves and some good old Mac Minis all running as OS X Servers 
> and I liked the MacPro so much, I got one for home as well.  It's a 2009 
> model, so doesn't have the oomph that the newer cylindrical ones do, but it's 
> a work-horse.  I do also have a MacBook Pro, but that's a different story.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 11, 2016, at 20:38, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
> been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might 
> be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re 
> using the later, any impressions?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>> well with El Capitan now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 
>> MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac 
>> G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no 
>> longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that 
>> requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the 
>> call on whether I can live with a particular piece of hardware running 
>> software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 
>> even if it's a bit pokey.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>>> to the board.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
>>>> in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer 
>>>> for RAM upgrades.
>>>>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself,
>>>>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be
>>>>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Portia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Arnold,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Portia.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>>>>>>> It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4
>>>>>>> gig
>>>>>>> of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want
>>>>>>> about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

g and connection to language that people who don’t have braille 
skills just don’t have.  That in combination with early spell check did more to 
improve my English skills than anything not to mention comprehension.  It 
develops a whole part of the brain that’s critical.

I bet if we all compared our backgrounds, technology or not the equalizer would 
be our families and folks who took a special interest in us.  As well as 
allowing us to be exposed to life and living.

People think that Apple is new to accessibility and doing something new.  My 
first computer in the early 80S was an Apple.  Apple gave away computers to 
schools.  At that time the voice synthesizer card and software cost all of 
$150, not thousands like some companies but $150 all inclusive. People like Woz 
himself or other fellas from Applied Engineering built all sorts of hardware 
and programmable gadgets to use with the Apple 2 framework.

I only wish my High School teachers were a fraction as good as my grammar 
school days.  I might have actually gone on to complete college if they were.  
I had the same issues with math, thought I was totally stupid.  Became very 
depressed about my lack of performance, on the edge of suicidal.  I had my 
parents pounding on me from one direction, teachers who didn’t care or just 
yelled in another and there’s nothing harder than staying awake during a 
lecture of geometry taught on the blackboard in front of 30.  Especially in 
people who are smarter than average.  That’s a living hell. I also know it was 
a big part of my desire for escapism in to chemicals and frequently spiced up 
math class with psychedelics and psychotropics.  Nothing like a little ecstasy 
to take the edge off a jack ass math teacher.  I did have the last laugh 
though, I worked for several years with the associate Dean of the UC Berkeley 
math department at a small startup.  I told him about my experiences with math 
and he took the time out of his schedule to undo a lot of the damage done 
earlier and I got quite good at it.  We had some great lunches together.

I hope you’re right about articles like this.  Your response gave me a new 
viewpoint.  I sincerely hope that this young lady and articles like this 
inspire others.  That’s the best point I’ve heard all day.











> On Jul 11, 2016, at 11:15 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> First let me say that on a very fundamental level I agree with your post.  
> But ...
> 
> As a kid, I somehow sort of absorbed the fact that because I was blind, math 
> and the sciences weren't for me.  And this despite the fact that my dad was a 
> computer guy, who spent lots of time and energy conveying to me how important 
> tech would be for me..  Some of my earliest memories are of him bringing home 
> those old computer punch cards and magnetic tapes for my brother and me to 
> play with.  I remember going with him into the office on Saturdays and seeing 
> the computer, which was this great big behemoth that took up an entire room.  
> I remember him teaching me base 2 at the dinner table.  But once I got to 
> school, my math and science teachers had no idea what to do with me.  Classes 
> were taught almost exclusively on the blackboard, and I was bored out of my 
> mind.  I grew up thinking I sucked at math, and it wasn't until I was in my 
> thirties that I realized that I was actually pretty bloody good at it.  Back 
> in the 80s, I went out with this total computer geek.  I was fascinated by 
> all the stuff he was into, but neither he nor I knew how to make all that 
> accessible to me.  (And by that time, I actually owned a TSI Versabraille).  
> I think that had I been born within the last 25 years, I actually would have 
> chosen IT--or something related--as a career.  Clearly something was 
> different for you and John.  Maybe it was innate intelligence, maybe there 
> was a gender bias at play, maybe it was opportunity, I don't know.  I do know 
> from other posts I've seen from you that your parents seemed quite willing to 
> think out of the box.  I grew up in suburbia.  My mom was 20 when she had me, 
> my dad was 22.  Having a blind kid pretty much rocked their young, limited 
> world.  I don't think my experience is unique.  Whatever it was that jived 
> for you guys, didn't carry over to lots of blind folks.
> 
> So yes, it was a fluff piece.  And yes, I wish they'd just treat blind folks 
> like everyone else.  But I also hope that there's a little Donna out there 
> somewhere--or maybe little Donna's parents--who don't buy into those 
> preconceived notions about what someone who's blind can or cannot do, and 
> that someday 20 years from now, that little Donna finds herself at the heart 
> of technological developments.
> 
> Just an alternate perspective.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Hi, I’ve heard that 70% number far before the 90S.  I absolutely trust david’s 
statements and such but I think that idea has an even earlier history.  I 
remember hearing it from my mother in the 80S when she would attend some 
parents conferences.  Scared the heck out of my parents and they put me to work 
as young as possible.  Were I sited I think they would have done the same 
thing.  Many families, sited or blind, push their kids to work early, 
especially if they have family businesses.

I wonder how far back this stat actually goes though and like you I hope it’s 
60 or lower today, the lower the better.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:22 PM, Katie Zodrow  wrote:
> 
> Hi, David. I’ve also heard the same statistic for a long time that 70 percent 
>  of blind people are unemployed. I didn’t realize the study was probably from 
> the 1990’s. I hope that number has dropped since that time as well. 60 
> percent is a good improvement though.
> Katie
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Scott Granados > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David, you know, I’ve heard that 70% number for ever, even pre 1995.  I 
>> hope you’re right though, I’d love to see that number drop meaningfully.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:24 PM, David Chittenden >> <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, those stats are from a study which is about 18 years old. Even 
>>> worse, however, is the stats about unemployment of the blind. Those stats, 
>>> often sited in studies across the board, come from a study published in 
>>> 1995 or 1997 (I would need to look it up again for the exact date). The 
>>> most recent info I have seen was published by the state of Oregon in 2007 
>>> (if memory serves) which places blindness unemployment rate at around 60%, 
>>> not the often sited 70% to 80%. Note: I researched this in 2012, so am 
>>> unaware of any data published since then.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: nexu...@icloud.com <mailto:nexu...@icloud.com>
>>> Mobile: 0450 788 988
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On 12 Jul 2016, at 08:30, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Interesting stats they mention about correlation between braille literacy 
>>>> and employment. I just had an iOS developer reach out to me who said WWDC 
>>>> had a heavy emphasis on accessibility this year. I've never been so I 
>>>> can't compare. I hope that's true. Nothing but good can come from more 
>>>> developers become aware and care.
>>>> 
>>>> CB
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/11/16 2:29 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>>>> Well, this is interesting story. I don't believe they mention anything 
>>>>> about braille. But at least it shows there are people  at Apple  working 
>>>>> on accessibility.
>>>>> http://mashable.com/2016/07/10/apple-innovation-blind-engineer/#RihiKu145Oqr
>>>>>  
>>>>> <http://mashable.com/2016/07/10/apple-innovation-blind-engineer/#RihiKu145Oqr>
>>>>> 
>>>>> This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple engineer Jordyn Castor has never been one for limitations. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> She was born 15 weeks early, weighing just under two pounds. Her 
>>>>> grandfather could hold her in the palm of his hand, and could even slide 
>>>>> his wedding ring along her arm and over her shoulder. Doctors said she 
>>>>> had a slim chance of survival.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was Castor's first brush with limited expectations — and also the 
>>>>> first time she shattered them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Castor, now 22, has been blind since birth, a result of her early 
>>>>> delivery. But throughout childhood, her parents encouraged her to defy 
>>>>> expectations of people with disabilities, motivating her to be 
>>>>> adventurous, hands-on and insatiably curious.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was that spirit that led to her interact with technology, whether it 
>>>>> was the desktop computer her family bought when she was in second grade, 
>

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

e care
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Great article. So many stupid sighted people around.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 12. jul. 2016 kl. 08.19 skrev Anne Robertson >>>>>>> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>>:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I grew up in England and between the ages of 7 and 17, attended 
>>>>>>>> schools for the blind where maths was taught, but the only science was 
>>>>>>>> biology, which didn’t interest me at the time. I would have preferred 
>>>>>>>> to learn physics.
>>>>>>>> I finished my secondary education in a mainstream school and 
>>>>>>>> specialised in languages. I studied French at university, but then I 
>>>>>>>> went into computer programming.
>>>>>>>> The tool that allowed me to work on an equal footing with my sighted 
>>>>>>>> colleagues was the optacon. I was able to read the terminal screen and 
>>>>>>>> printout. I programmed the Apple ii in hexadecimal and read all the 
>>>>>>>> manuals using the optacon.
>>>>>>>> I didn’t use speech on a computer until we got a Mac, a 2SI, during 
>>>>>>>> the 90s and I purchased OutSpoken.
>>>>>>>> It never occurred to me that I might not be able to get a job as a 
>>>>>>>> blind person once the optacon became available to me.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 12 Jul 2016, at 05:15, Donna Goodin >>>>>>>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hey Scott,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> First let me say that on a very fundamental level I agree with your 
>>>>>>>>> post. But ...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As a kid, I somehow sort of absorbed the fact that because I was 
>>>>>>>>> blind, math and the sciences weren't for me.  And this despite the 
>>>>>>>>> fact that my dad was a computer guy, who spent lots of time and 
>>>>>>>>> energy conveying to me how important tech would be for me..  Some of 
>>>>>>>>> my earliest memories are of him bringing home those old computer 
>>>>>>>>> punch cards and magnetic tapes for my brother and me to play with.  I 
>>>>>>>>> remember going with him into the office on Saturdays and seeing the 
>>>>>>>>> computer, which was this great big behemoth that took up an entire 
>>>>>>>>> room.  I remember him teaching me base 2 at the dinner table.  But 
>>>>>>>>> once I got to school, my math and science teachers had no idea what 
>>>>>>>>> to do with me.  Classes were taught almost exclusively on the 
>>>>>>>>> blackboard, and I was bored out of my mind.  I grew up thinking I 
>>>>>>>>> sucked at math, and it wasn't until I was in my thirties that I 
>>>>>>>>> realized that I was actually pretty bloody good at it.  Back in the 
>>>>>>>>> 80s, I went out with this total computer geek.  I was fascinated by 
>>>>>>>>> all the stuff he was into, but neither he nor I knew how to make all 
>>>>>>>>> that accessible to me.  (And by that time, I actually owned a TSI 
>>>>>>>>> Versabraille).  I think that had I been born within the last 25 
>>>>>>>>> years, I actually would have chosen IT--or something related--as a 
>>>>>>>>> career. Clearly something was different for you and John.  Maybe it 
>>>>>>>>> was innate intelligence, maybe there was a gender bias at play, maybe 
>>>>>>>>> it was opportunity, I don't know.  I do know from other posts I've 
>>>>>>>>> seen from you that your parents seemed quite willing to think out of 
>>>>>>>>> the box.  I grew up in suburbia.  My mom was 20 when she had me, my 
>>

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

till used the 
>>>>> Windows platform most of the time from 1998 until  2013, then I decided 
>>>>> to switch back over to the Mac. I had worked in a couple call centers as 
>>>>> a telephone reservations sales agent for 6 years, and wanted to get back 
>>>>> into the entertainment industry doing audio production work and music 
>>>>> again. I majored in Music Production and Engineering in college, and 
>>>>> wanted to get back into a career I enjoy and am passionate about . Now, I 
>>>>> do just about everything with the Mac and my iPhone. I received the new 
>>>>> VarioUltra braille display earlier this year, and use that device with 
>>>>> the iphone or when I’m at work and don’t want to use speech.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can’t believe how far we’ve come with technology since the 1980’s! Back 
>>>>> then, everything was so huge and bulky 30 years ago. Now the size of 
>>>>> everything has drastically shrunk down and gotten much smaller. It will 
>>>>> be interesting to see what technology changes happen during the next 30 
>>>>> to 40 years.
>>>>>> Katie
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 5:39 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wut?  "Stupid sighted people"?  That's a little harsh, don'tcha think?  
>>>>>> LOL! Smile.
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> It's all good, just am sayin'.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>>>> - Original Message - From: "Terje Strømberg" 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To: "Mac Group" 
>>>>>> Cc: "Terje Strømberg" 
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 3:56 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at 
>>>>>> only 22
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Take care
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Great article. So many stupid sighted people around.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 12. jul. 2016 kl. 08.19 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I grew up in England and between the ages of 7 and 17, attended schools 
>>>>>>> for the blind where maths was taught, but the only science was biology, 
>>>>>>> which didn’t interest me at the time. I would have preferred to learn 
>>>>>>> physics.
>>>>>>> I finished my secondary education in a mainstream school and 
>>>>>>> specialised in languages. I studied French at university, but then I 
>>>>>>> went into computer programming.
>>>>>>> The tool that allowed me to work on an equal footing with my sighted 
>>>>>>> colleagues was the optacon. I was able to read the terminal screen and 
>>>>>>> printout. I programmed the Apple ii in hexadecimal and read all the 
>>>>>>> manuals using the optacon.
>>>>>>> I didn’t use speech on a computer until we got a Mac, a 2SI, during the 
>>>>>>> 90s and I purchased OutSpoken.
>>>>>>> It never occurred to me that I might not be able to get a job as a 
>>>>>>> blind person once the optacon became available to me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anne
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 12 Jul 2016, at 05:15, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hey Scott,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> First let me say that on a very fundamental level I agree with your 
>>>>>>>> post. But ...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> As a kid, I somehow sort of absorbed the fact that because I was 
>>>>>>>> blind, math and the sciences weren't for me.  And this despite the 
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Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

 of absorbed the fact that because I was blind, 
>>>>>> math and the sciences weren't for me.  And this despite the fact that my 
>>>>>> dad was a computer guy, who spent lots of time and energy conveying to 
>>>>>> me how important tech would be for me..  Some of my earliest memories 
>>>>>> are of him bringing home those old computer punch cards and magnetic 
>>>>>> tapes for my brother and me to play with.  I remember going with him 
>>>>>> into the office on Saturdays and seeing the computer, which was this 
>>>>>> great big behemoth that took up an entire room.  I remember him teaching 
>>>>>> me base 2 at the dinner table.  But once I got to school, my math and 
>>>>>> science teachers had no idea what to do with me.  Classes were taught 
>>>>>> almost exclusively on the blackboard, and I was bored out of my mind.  I 
>>>>>> grew up thinking I sucked at math, and it wasn't until I was in my 
>>>>>> thirties that I realized that I was actually pretty bloody good at it.  
>>>>>> Back in the 80s, I went out with this total computer geek.  I was 
>>>>>> fascinated by all the stuff he was into, but neither he nor I knew how 
>>>>>> to make all that accessible to me.  (And by that time, I actually owned 
>>>>>> a TSI Versabraille).  I think that had I been born within the last 25 
>>>>>> years, I actually would have chosen IT--or something related--as a 
>>>>>> career. Clearly something was different for you and John.  Maybe it was 
>>>>>> innate intelligence, maybe there was a gender bias at play, maybe it was 
>>>>>> opportunity, I don't know.  I do know from other posts I've seen from 
>>>>>> you that your parents seemed quite willing to think out of the box.  I 
>>>>>> grew up in suburbia.  My mom was 20 when she had me, my dad was 22.  
>>>>>> Having a blind kid pretty much rocked their young, limited world.  I 
>>>>>> don't think my experience is unique.  Whatever it was that jived for you 
>>>>>> guys, didn't carry over to lots of blind folks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So yes, it was a fluff piece.  And yes, I wish they'd just treat blind 
>>>>>> folks like everyone else.  But I also hope that there's a little Donna 
>>>>>> out there somewhere--or maybe little Donna's parents--who don't buy into 
>>>>>> those preconceived notions about what someone who's blind can or cannot 
>>>>>> do, and that someday 20 years from now, that little Donna finds herself 
>>>>>> at the heart of technological developments.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just an alternate perspective.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So here’s my problem with the article.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think it’s fantastic what this young lady is doing, I absolutely 
>>>>>>> support her efforts.  I also am thrilled that apple hired someone from 
>>>>>>> our community for the design side.  I’m also happy Google does the same 
>>>>>>> now and there’s discussion of teaching children to code.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My problem is with the reporter.  These articles are so damn fluff 
>>>>>>> happy.  Look at Apple saving the day for blind people.  Like it’s 
>>>>>>> something new.  Never mind you John and I built parts of the networks 
>>>>>>> this reporter publishes on.:)  The article leads the reader to believe 
>>>>>>> that blind people could only code until recently.  This blind guy as a 
>>>>>>> child started coding 33+ years ago learning things like 6502 assembler, 
>>>>>>> Apple Soft, PASCAL, then C and so forth. We used apples or PCs or what 
>>>>>>> ever to get it done and in some ways have been directly or indirectly 
>>>>>>> involved with the development of computers since the very beginning. 
>>>>>>> Real trail blazers like your self or Ray Kurzweil building devices to 
>>>>>>> help his child, certain musicians with very deep pockets who brought 
>>>>>>>

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

rbed the fact that because I was blind, 
>>>> math and the sciences weren't for me.  And this despite the fact that my 
>>>> dad was a computer guy, who spent lots of time and energy conveying to me 
>>>> how important tech would be for me..  Some of my earliest memories are of 
>>>> him bringing home those old computer punch cards and magnetic tapes for my 
>>>> brother and me to play with.  I remember going with him into the office on 
>>>> Saturdays and seeing the computer, which was this great big behemoth that 
>>>> took up an entire room.  I remember him teaching me base 2 at the dinner 
>>>> table.  But once I got to school, my math and science teachers had no idea 
>>>> what to do with me.  Classes were taught almost exclusively on the 
>>>> blackboard, and I was bored out of my mind.  I grew up thinking I sucked 
>>>> at math, and it wasn't until I was in my thirties that I realized that I 
>>>> was actually pretty bloody good at it.  Back in the 80s, I went out with 
>>>> this total computer geek.  I was fascinated by all the stuff he was into, 
>>>> but neither he nor I knew how to make all that accessible to me.  (And by 
>>>> that time, I actually owned a TSI Versabraille).  I think that had I been 
>>>> born within the last 25 years, I actually would have chosen IT--or 
>>>> something related--as a career.  Clearly something was different for you 
>>>> and John.  Maybe it was innate intelligence, maybe there was a gender bias 
>>>> at play, maybe it was opportunity, I don't know.  I do know from other 
>>>> posts I've seen from you that your parents seemed quite willing to think 
>>>> out of the box.  I grew up in suburbia.  My mom was 20 when she had me, my 
>>>> dad was 22.  Having a blind kid pretty much rocked their young, limited 
>>>> world.  I don't think my experience is unique.  Whatever it was that jived 
>>>> for you guys, didn't carry over to lots of blind folks.
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, it was a fluff piece.  And yes, I wish they'd just treat blind 
>>>> folks like everyone else.  But I also hope that there's a little Donna out 
>>>> there somewhere--or maybe little Donna's parents--who don't buy into those 
>>>> preconceived notions about what someone who's blind can or cannot do, and 
>>>> that someday 20 years from now, that little Donna finds herself at the 
>>>> heart of technological developments.
>>>> 
>>>> Just an alternate perspective.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Scott Granados >>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So here’s my problem with the article.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it’s fantastic what this young lady is doing, I absolutely 
>>>>> support her efforts.  I also am thrilled that apple hired someone from 
>>>>> our community for the design side.  I’m also happy Google does the same 
>>>>> now and there’s discussion of teaching children to code.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My problem is with the reporter.  These articles are so damn fluff happy. 
>>>>>  Look at Apple saving the day for blind people.  Like it’s something new. 
>>>>>  Never mind you John and I built parts of the networks this reporter 
>>>>> publishes on.:)  The article leads the reader to believe that blind 
>>>>> people could only code until recently.  This blind guy as a child started 
>>>>> coding 33+ years ago learning things like 6502 assembler, Apple Soft, 
>>>>> PASCAL, then C and so forth. We used apples or PCs or what ever to get it 
>>>>> done and in some ways have been directly or indirectly involved with the 
>>>>> development of computers since the very beginning.  Real trail blazers 
>>>>> like your self or Ray Kurzweil building devices to help his child, 
>>>>> certain musicians with very deep pockets who brought some of the funding 
>>>>> to the table, any blind person at all who successfully landed a job and 
>>>>> held it showing others in our own little way we’re just people doing the 
>>>>> same things that everyone else does, try to help take care of your 
>>>>> selves, families and participate in our communities.
>>>>>   I guess part of me just wishes that instead of being singled out a

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

er and me to play with.  I remember going with him into the office on 
>>>> Saturdays and seeing the computer, which was this great big behemoth that 
>>>> took up an entire room.  I remember him teaching me base 2 at the dinner 
>>>> table.  But once I got to school, my math and science teachers had no idea 
>>>> what to do with me.  Classes were taught almost exclusively on the 
>>>> blackboard, and I was bored out of my mind.  I grew up thinking I sucked 
>>>> at math, and it wasn't until I was in my thirties that I realized that I 
>>>> was actually pretty bloody good at it.  Back in the 80s, I went out with 
>>>> this total computer geek.  I was fascinated by all the stuff he was into, 
>>>> but neither he nor I knew how to make all that accessible to me.  (And by 
>>>> that time, I actually owned a TSI Versabraille).  I think that had I been 
>>>> born within the last 25 years, I actually would have chosen IT--or 
>>>> something related--as a career. Clearly something was different for you 
>>>> and John.  Maybe it was innate intelligence, maybe there was a gender bias 
>>>> at play, maybe it was opportunity, I don't know.  I do know from other 
>>>> posts I've seen from you that your parents seemed quite willing to think 
>>>> out of the box.  I grew up in suburbia.  My mom was 20 when she had me, my 
>>>> dad was 22.  Having a blind kid pretty much rocked their young, limited 
>>>> world.  I don't think my experience is unique.  Whatever it was that jived 
>>>> for you guys, didn't carry over to lots of blind folks.
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, it was a fluff piece.  And yes, I wish they'd just treat blind 
>>>> folks like everyone else.  But I also hope that there's a little Donna out 
>>>> there somewhere--or maybe little Donna's parents--who don't buy into those 
>>>> preconceived notions about what someone who's blind can or cannot do, and 
>>>> that someday 20 years from now, that little Donna finds herself at the 
>>>> heart of technological developments.
>>>> 
>>>> Just an alternate perspective.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So here’s my problem with the article.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it’s fantastic what this young lady is doing, I absolutely 
>>>>> support her efforts.  I also am thrilled that apple hired someone from 
>>>>> our community for the design side.  I’m also happy Google does the same 
>>>>> now and there’s discussion of teaching children to code.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My problem is with the reporter.  These articles are so damn fluff happy. 
>>>>>  Look at Apple saving the day for blind people.  Like it’s something new. 
>>>>>  Never mind you John and I built parts of the networks this reporter 
>>>>> publishes on.:)  The article leads the reader to believe that blind 
>>>>> people could only code until recently.  This blind guy as a child started 
>>>>> coding 33+ years ago learning things like 6502 assembler, Apple Soft, 
>>>>> PASCAL, then C and so forth. We used apples or PCs or what ever to get it 
>>>>> done and in some ways have been directly or indirectly involved with the 
>>>>> development of computers since the very beginning. Real trail blazers 
>>>>> like your self or Ray Kurzweil building devices to help his child, 
>>>>> certain musicians with very deep pockets who brought some of the funding 
>>>>> to the table, any blind person at all who successfully landed a job and 
>>>>> held it showing others in our own little way we’re just people doing the 
>>>>> same things that everyone else does, try to help take care of your 
>>>>> selves, families and participate in our communities.
>>>>> I guess part of me just wishes that instead of being singled out and made 
>>>>> to be some sort of something special we were just dealt with and 
>>>>> reflected on by reporters especially as just another part of society. 
>>>>> Lest I get way to NFB here:) but there’s something to be said for being 
>>>>> lumped in with everyone else.:)  The special attention sometimes makes us 
>>>>> seem well special in the sense we’re not the norm, we’re almost 
>>>>> untouc

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

 I also been 
>> a little older--I would have been more driven to stick with it.
>> 
>> It's funny, I still have my Optacon.  It's just sitting in our basement 
>> gathering dust.  I probably should do something with it some day.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 1:19 AM, Anne Robertson >> <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I grew up in England and between the ages of 7 and 17, attended schools for 
>>> the blind where maths was taught, but the only science was biology, which 
>>> didn’t interest me at the time. I would have preferred to learn physics.
>>> I finished my secondary education in a mainstream school and specialised in 
>>> languages. I studied French at university, but then I went into computer 
>>> programming.
>>> The tool that allowed me to work on an equal footing with my sighted 
>>> colleagues was the optacon. I was able to read the terminal screen and 
>>> printout. I programmed the Apple ii in hexadecimal and read all the manuals 
>>> using the optacon.
>>> I didn’t use speech on a computer until we got a Mac, a 2SI, during the 90s 
>>> and I purchased OutSpoken.
>>> It never occurred to me that I might not be able to get a job as a blind 
>>> person once the optacon became available to me.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 12 Jul 2016, at 05:15, Donna Goodin >>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Scott,
>>>> 
>>>> First let me say that on a very fundamental level I agree with your post.  
>>>> But ...
>>>> 
>>>> As a kid, I somehow sort of absorbed the fact that because I was blind, 
>>>> math and the sciences weren't for me.  And this despite the fact that my 
>>>> dad was a computer guy, who spent lots of time and energy conveying to me 
>>>> how important tech would be for me..  Some of my earliest memories are of 
>>>> him bringing home those old computer punch cards and magnetic tapes for my 
>>>> brother and me to play with.  I remember going with him into the office on 
>>>> Saturdays and seeing the computer, which was this great big behemoth that 
>>>> took up an entire room.  I remember him teaching me base 2 at the dinner 
>>>> table.  But once I got to school, my math and science teachers had no idea 
>>>> what to do with me.  Classes were taught almost exclusively on the 
>>>> blackboard, and I was bored out of my mind.  I grew up thinking I sucked 
>>>> at math, and it wasn't until I was in my thirties that I realized that I 
>>>> was actually pretty bloody good at it.  Back in the 80s, I went out with 
>>>> this total computer geek.  I was fascinated by all the stuff he was into, 
>>>> but neither he nor I knew how to make all that accessible to me.  (And by 
>>>> that time, I actually owned a TSI Versabraille).  I think that had I been 
>>>> born within the last 25 years, I actually would have chosen IT--or 
>>>> something related--as a career.  Clearly something was different for you 
>>>> and John.  Maybe it was innate intelligence, maybe there was a gender bias 
>>>> at play, maybe it was opportunity, I don't know.  I do know from other 
>>>> posts I've seen from you that your parents seemed quite willing to think 
>>>> out of the box.  I grew up in suburbia.  My mom was 20 when she had me, my 
>>>> dad was 22.  Having a blind kid pretty much rocked their young, limited 
>>>> world.  I don't think my experience is unique.  Whatever it was that jived 
>>>> for you guys, didn't carry over to lots of blind folks.
>>>> 
>>>> So yes, it was a fluff piece.  And yes, I wish they'd just treat blind 
>>>> folks like everyone else.  But I also hope that there's a little Donna out 
>>>> there somewhere--or maybe little Donna's parents--who don't buy into those 
>>>> preconceived notions about what someone who's blind can or cannot do, and 
>>>> that someday 20 years from now, that little Donna finds herself at the 
>>>> heart of technological developments.
>>>> 
>>>> Just an alternate perspective.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:32 PM, Scott Granados >>>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even 
bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.  
I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet the 
iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather spend 
that extra money on some vintage synth gear.

All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to 
Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in several 
axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers. 

Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s hard 
to justify with out making money with it.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> HI Scott,
> 
> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
> 
> The new mac pros that is.
> 
> They resemble a small trash bin,
> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
> 
> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got a 
> panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
> 
> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we 
> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just 
> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
> 
> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of ram.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  I’ve 
> been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station might 
> be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If you’re 
> using the later, any impressions?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>> well with El Capitan now.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 2012 
>> MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the PowerMac 
>> G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. It's no 
>> longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by software that 
>> requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I have to make the 
>> call on whether I can live with a particular piece of hardware running 
>> software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can still run OSX 10.11 
>> even if it's a bit pokey.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 7/9/16 8:01 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you 
>>> buy it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an 
>>> access panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered 
>>> to the board.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested 
>>>> in doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer 
>>>> for RAM upgrades.
>>>>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to 
>>>>> yourself, you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, 
>>>>> mine can be upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is 
>>>>> decent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Portia.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Arnold,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is the exact model I got, b

Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Nah Simon, hang in there, live long enough for the Singularity and you’ll be 
able to download your brain in to a machine and we’ll be laughing about the 
idea of laptops or desktops.

Kurzweil says by 2045, I hope I make it.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> But I want it this year, I'll be getting to old in a few years.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:13 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> A TB SSD would probably be a bit thick althoughI suppose you can wire the 
> chips in any physical configuration you want.  It’s not like the old IBM 990K 
> where you had to have non 90 degree turns in the wiring so the electrons 
> wouldn’t over heat at the turns and cause to much thermal noise.
> 
> Biggest problem with your proposed config would probably be battery drain but 
> give it a few years.  We’ll have way more than that in the form factor you 
> want.
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeahscott,
>> 
>> My perfect machine would be an 11inch mac book air with I7 quad core 
>> processor and at least 32 gig ram with a 1tb ssd harddrive.
>> 
>> I like the size of the machine, the work time is great and the size is easy 
>> to fit in a bag if I'm mobile.
>> But I can't run the things I really want to run at one time.
>> Ok so that type of processor and amount of ram would probably melt the 
>> keyboard but surely they could put better heat disapation into the design.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 3:27 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> This is one area I have issues with apple.  Especially in the pro line I 
>> wish they would support more than 16GB.  As someone who likes to spin up a 
>> lot of VSRX instances,  it would be nice to have lots of extra memory.
>> 
>> Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I 
>> suspect I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:)
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Max
>>> 
>>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great 
>>> machine, No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older 
>>> model which there is only one model of.
>>> 
>>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the 
>>> harddrives in the pros now are ssd So although the air can do what 
>>> the pro does, the air only currently goes to 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 
>>> 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram and 1TB SSD But if your not 
>>> doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing then you 
>>> shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
>>> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
>>> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort 
>>> them for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or 
>>> there abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to 
>>> lose a little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm 
>>> maxing out the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. 
>>> thanks, max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the 
>>>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than 
>>>> the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great 
>>>> for quad speakers.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>>&

Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!

[Scott Granados]

Lol and you can’t forget the food.  No wait, that’s freedom fries, never mind.:)


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> , a French guy.
> 
> Louis Braille.
> 
> Can't remember why but oh well something good out of france other than wine 
> and the tour.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 1:09 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!
> 
> I personally would rather some sort of RSA or DH scheme for encryption but 
> braille ain’t a bad idea.:)  Especially for communicating in the clear.  To 
> easy to translate though but if memory serves didn’t braille come from a 
> military code originally?
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 3:39 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi ET,
>> 
>> Interesting thought on the BRL file for storing passwords,
>> 
>> I can honestly say that if you did that and I got hold of the file or a 
>> printed list of passwords written in braille I'd still be reading it in 6 
>> months.
>> 
>> It's not that I can't read braille but I just don’t' do it enough to 
>> remember it as well as I should.
>> 
>> I just encrypt my files for those I need to.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 11 July 2016 1:45 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!
>> 
>> Traci and others,
>>   Finally took a look at these articles. I did not see any responses but 
>> here is what I see in this.
>> 
>>   What are the risks with encryption? Forget a password and you are dead in 
>> the water? I suppose those of us who can create braille hard copy should be 
>> safe. Or even a brf file kept on a braille display.
>> 
>>   With so many passwords, sometimes I am overwhelmed even with an app like 
>> 1Password.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 7/7/2016 1:52 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:
>>> Here are some interesting articles about securing data on our Macs 
>>> and encrypting back ups & external drives.
>>> 
>>> 5 Ways to Keep Your Mac's Data Safe and Secure - The Mac Observer 
>>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/5-ways-to-keep-your-macs-data-
>>> s 
>>> afe-and-secure?utm_source=macobserver&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss
>>> _
>>> tips
>>> 
>>> OS X: Encrypting Time Machine Backups - The Mac Observer 
>>> http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-encrypting-time-machine-b
>>> a
>>> ckups
>>> 
>>> Does anyone follow any or all of the above tips?  Do you have 
>>> additional or alternative recommendations?  I find this stuff 
>>> fascinating and useful.  Maybe other Mac users will as well.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> Traci
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Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

[Scott Granados]

How are you connecting the headphones to the Mac?  Via bluetoothdirectly or an 
adapter.

> On Jul 14, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> I have tried to use a set of wireless headphones on my Mac Mini, but get a
> constant hum in the background. I have tried them on my Windows machine and
> my wife has tried them on her iMac, and in both instances they perform
> flawlessly. Just wondering if anyone might suggest a possible cause, and
> even better, a possible fix.
> Martin  
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Re: Cannot Join Wifi

[Scott Granados]

On the router, make sure that either WPA2 or WPA is set, preferably WPA2. 

Mixed mode can be problematic on some chipsets.

There’s also an IPV6 issue where I think you need it set in link local mode or 
something.  We’ll start with the easy and go from there.:)

> On Jul 14, 2016, at 2:10 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Sometimes, things get confused inside your Mac and it just won't connect.  
> Try restarting your Mac and that often clears up the issue.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 12:07, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Netgear Nighthawk AC1900. Ran wireless diagnostics and all it could tell me 
> was that this wifi was not associated or something to that effect. iPhone and 
> Windows has no issues.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/14/2016 11:04 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What kind of router are you using?
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 9:45 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Subject: Cannot Join Wifi
>> 
>>   For the last 2-3 days my Mac is having trouble connecting to my wifi 
>> network. I have a new router which has been in service a few weeks. The 
>> Windows laptop has no trouble connecting.
>> 
>>   Network prefs shows wifi is on but not connected. Manually connecting does 
>> not solve this. What do I need to look at?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Frank is right,  Joe’s Garage was the name of his studio and rehearsal space.:)

And yes a great album.



> On Jul 15, 2016, at 4:37 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Joe’s Garage? What is that other than a great album  by Frank zapper!
> 
> Yeah it's a full on computer 
> At the time we priced it there was 64gb ram,
> 12 core xeon processor,
> 2 6 gb graphics cards,
> And the max number of ssd drives we could put in it.
> 
> All a dream but hey it was worth while the reaction of the boss when we 
> presented him with the quote.
> 
> I've asked for 2 27 inch thunderbolt monitors as well but got the why the 
> heck do I need those, 
> I just told him better sound quality.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2016 5:41 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even 
> bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.  
> I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet 
> the iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather 
> spend that extra money on some vintage synth gear.
> 
> All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to 
> Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in 
> several axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers. 
> 
> Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s 
> hard to justify with out making money with it.
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> HI Scott,
>> 
>> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
>> 
>> The new mac pros that is.
>> 
>> They resemble a small trash bin,
>> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
>> 
>> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got a 
>> panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
>> 
>> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we 
>> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just 
>> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
>> 
>> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of ram.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.  
>> I’ve been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station 
>> might be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.  If 
>> you’re using the later, any impressions?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the MacPro, 
>>> I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive between it and 
>>> a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.  It runs quite 
>>> well with El Capitan now.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their 
>>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most 
>>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but 
>>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing. 
>>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the three 
>>> year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro and 
>>> 2012 MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at work. So are the 
>>> PowerMac G4 in the basement and the 2009 Mini hooked to the TV at home. 
>>> It's no longer planned obsolescence through hardware failure but by 
>>> software that requires more and more. Eventually support is dropped and I 
>>> have to make the call on whether I can live with a particular piece of 
>>> hardware running software frozen in time. At least with the MacPro it can 
>>> stil

Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Scott Granados]

Frank was the best.

Dial your favorite vegetable and it will respond to you!

> On Jul 15, 2016, at 7:31 AM, Kimber Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> So glad to know I'm not the only one who immediately thought of Frank. Lol!
> 
> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Joe’s Garage? What is that other than a great album  by Frank zapper!
>> 
>> Yeah it's a full on computer
>> At the time we priced it there was 64gb ram,
>> 12 core xeon processor,
>> 2 6 gb graphics cards,
>> And the max number of ssd drives we could put in it.
>> 
>> All a dream but hey it was worth while the reaction of the boss when we
>> presented him with the quote.
>> 
>> I've asked for 2 27 inch thunderbolt monitors as well but got the why the
>> heck do I need those,
>> I just told him better sound quality.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2016 5:41 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>> 
>> Hi Simon, I hear you, I priced one out and hit about $12,000 before I even
>> bought a monitor.  That’s a lot to spend for a hobby or experiment though.
>> I’ll probably go iMac just because do I really need that many cores. I bet
>> the iMac will run all the plugins and such I want to try out.  Would rather
>> spend that extra money on some vintage synth gear.
>> 
>> All this vintage synth and music gear talk makes me wonder what happened to
>> Joe’s Garage. In the main mix position in Joe’s Garage you could mix in
>> several axes complete with over head and floor mounted speakers.
>> 
>> Thanks for the feedback on the Pro though.  As much as I’d love one that’s
>> hard to justify with out making money with it.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Scott,
>>> 
>>> I've seen one being used but haven't had a play with one myself.
>>> 
>>> The new mac pros that is.
>>> 
>>> They resemble a small trash bin,
>>> Almost like a small R2D2  droid.
>>> 
>>> But nothing showing on the front but you turn them around and they've got
>>> a panel approx. 5inchs square that has all the connections on it.
>>> 
>>> The model I got to see was the vbasic version with only 16 gig ram, but we
>>> priced one for a joke that was fully speced to the max that came to just
>>> under 30 thousand NZ dollars.
>>> 
>>> Very fast machine if you have a SSD with the os on it and good amount of
>>> ram.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2016 2:38 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim, by mac pro do you mean a Macbook pro or a real mac pro desktop.
>>> I’ve been thinking about getting a mac pro desktop but (power work station
>>> might be a better word for it) but I haven’t met anyone who’s used one.
>>> If you’re using the later, any impressions?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I agree totally with your assessment here.  Although, regarding the
>>>> MacPro, I installed a SSD into Bay 1 of mine, created a fusion drive
>>>> between it and a 1 TB spinner in Bay 2 and knocked it up to 16 GB of RAM.
>>>> It runs quite well with El Capitan now.
>>>> 
>>>> Later...
>>>> 
>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2016, at 15:21, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Nothing new here, Apple is just better at keeping consumers out of their
>>>> widgets now then back in the Mac Plus days. They figured out that most
>>>> people could pick up a long T15 Torx screwdriver without much trouble but
>>>> getting things unsoldered without burning the board is a different thing.
>>>> Then again, it used to be that a machine would barley creak past the
>>>> three year mark before failing, if they made it that far. My 2008 Mac Pro
>>>> and 2012 MacBook Pro are still humming along just fine at 

Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Wow, I wish I was smart, I could never get the whole education school thing 
down.  I tried college, dropped out and started a business, tried again, lost 
focus, started another business and moved on.  I’ve always felt guilty about 
it.  My poor mother wanted to see me graduate college with a degree so badly.  
Always felt like I let her down.

Oh well I went the long way but my positions more recently and career have made 
up for a lot but I always wished I had the focus and stuff to get through and 
do well in college.


> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
> into a college life, meet new people.
> Vaughn
> 
> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> Hi Donna and Devin,
>> 
>> Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
>> community college would be a great idea, you would also get to meet many
>> other people from all walks of life.
>> 
>> I’ve met truckloads of people from my studies at University
>> I would tell my family where to get off if my parents had tried to put me
>> into a group living situation.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 12:56 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech
>> world at only 22
>> 
>> Thank you, Scott.  I've been thinking about how to respond to this message
>> since last night.  You hit the nail on the head.
>> 
>> Devon, no, I can't imagine why on earth you would be at an adult learning
>> facility.  Do you have any ideas about what kind of career you might like to
>> pursue?  I would suggest a visit to a community college as a starting point.
>> Meet with a career counselor there, a regular career counselor is going to
>> be much more likely to help you generate a broader list of options. Then
>> maybe start by taking a couple of classes there.  That would be a good way
>> to get your feet wet and figure out if a four-year college is for you.  If
>> it's not, it will still help you come up with some better options for
>> yourself than what you currently have.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Scott Granados
>> mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m hoping there’s some hyperbole or excess here to make a point because on
>> the surface your message disturbs me.  You’re far to smart to end up in a
>> group home.  I’ve seen your posts here and other places, you don’t seem like
>> group home material to me. How can we help avoid such a thing?
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Devin Prater
>> mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I talked to her years ago, before she joined Apple. Yeah, she’s pretty cool.
>> I guess I’m the blindie here. I grew up a pampered kid in a lower-middle
>> class home. I went and somehow graduated from the Alabama school for the
>> blind, where teachers seemed to care but just couldn’t do much, or didn’t
>> know what to do, exactly. As you can imagine, they then shuttled me off to
>> the adult learning facility, E.H. Gentry, where I attend now. I know more
>> than I did when I left ASB, sure, but these blindness organizations just
>> aren’t all that organized, at least here in the state of football and
>> rednecks. I just hope that I can get at least something to happen before my
>> family decides a group home would indeed be just the spot to plop down their
>> poor blind boy that just can’t seem to learn independence and advocacy
>> skills no matter where the Alabama Institute sends him. Oh discordia.
>> Sent from my Mac.
>> 
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com<mailto:d.pra...@me.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:38 AM, Donna Goodin
>> mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Katie,
>> 
>> Yep, I agree with everything you pointed out.  It really is a nice braille
>> display.  I haven't had the problem you describe, so I'm afraid I can't help
>> you.  Have you tried calling tech support or posting the VarioUltra list?
>> It's a great list, with some very helpful and knowledgeable folks.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:52 PM, Katie Zodrow
>> mailto:kzodrow...@att.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Donna.
>> 
>> Yes, I’ve been learning to use the VarioUltra since May and love it! :-) its
>> the best braille dis

Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

David, when that business grows large enough you need an IT department, you let 
me know.  Would be nice to have a post hillary escape strategy.:)

haha

Good luck, sounds like interesting and rewarding work.

> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:34 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> It is an expansion of my current business. I am now contracted to do some 
> government work with those who are disabled. However, it lines me up for 
> something which will be coming up in a couple years around technology and 
> accessibility.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 15 Jul 2016, at 00:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That's exciting, David.  What is your new business?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:34 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I just signed a new contracting agreement, so I am about to start a 
>>> new business. If I am correct, I will preceed an upcoming trend and be 
>>> ready to capitalise on where things appear to be headed. Here we go with 
>>> the next business.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> David, I like your history, not to point out a bad thing but I like your 
>>>> comments on failed businesses.  I’m right there with you.
>>>> I always hid my blindness when possible while doing business.  I had for a 
>>>> while, especially during my first attempt, sited folks that I put out 
>>>> front and I mainly dealt with people through telephones or email etc.  
>>>> This worked for several years although there were reporters and other 
>>>> people very interested in my business (an internet provider) at the time 
>>>> who made it challenging to hide.  I would actually only allow these people 
>>>> close if I was able to maintain control and final approval whether 
>>>> something would be released and I had a marketing person for a while who I 
>>>> made review everything to make sure no hints leaked out.  I remember 
>>>> meeting a fellow business owner later in the history of that company who 
>>>> convinced me to completely drop that policy and had his marketing droid 
>>>> try to convince me to use my image in marketing campaigns which I never 
>>>> went that far but I definitely loosened things up.  I’m glad though that 
>>>> person got through to me.
>>>> Oh and I still have a PDP 11.:) Complete with the 8 dip switches and 
>>>> submit button so you can enter in the first few bytes by hand to boot the 
>>>> box and start loading from tape.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:58 AM, David Chittenden  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I guess I will chime in here. I was congenitally (born) blind. My 
>>>>> brother, who is two years older, is also blind.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We started school at a blindness school, and then attended a bording 
>>>>> school for the blind. My parents decided to mainstream us when I entered 
>>>>> 6th grade. The schools for the blind taught me certain skills such as 
>>>>> braille, quite well. Fortunately, I was mainstreamed early enough to get 
>>>>> a healthy dose of normal (sighted) culture.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I attended a private highschool (the best school in the state) which I 
>>>>> was able to enter because I scored well enough on the entrance exam. 
>>>>> Resource teachers were not allowed to work at private schools, so I was 
>>>>> pretty much on my own, in an academically challenging environment, from 
>>>>> 9th grade. Note: I was registered in the nearby public highschool, so was 
>>>>> able to see a resource teacher there for 45 minutes per day, four days 
>>>>> per week. That person did the important braille transcription for tests. 
>>>>> At school, however, everything was my responsibility.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I took a basic programming course when I was a senior. I enjoyed it so 
>>>>> much that I decided to become a computer systems engineer. That lasted 
>>>>> one semester at university. I broke my wrist, so could not type for 8 
>>>>> weeks. I then floundered at a community college for a few years, became 

HP's radical new computing design or Singularity here we come!

[Scott Granados]

Absolutely startling developments at HP that may impact us all.  It dwarfs what 
Apple is doing in the cloud or even the idea of the cloud.  It’s also probably 
one of your m ore frightening advertising videos.  It’s tied in with Star Trek 
believe it or not but basically they’re using the idea of the Singularity (AKA 
Ray Kurzweil and the Singularity).

The idea is that instead of processors and nodes in the cloud like we have now 
there will be a massive pile of addressable memory.  They have built this 
system, memory is stored on fabric made of photons meaning memory is stored on 
particles of light instead of electrons.  This means a base increase of 
performance over conventional circuits of 1000 times but it gets crazier than 
that.  Once data is stored in photons you can start applying principles of 
quantum mechanics using ideas like entanglement to instantly transfer data over 
any distance.  Think of a radio wave taking 8 minutes to get from our Sun to 
our planet in perfect conditions, now imagine modulating one out of two photons 
in a pair and seeing it’s results over that same distance instantly because 
information can exceed the speed of light.
Imagine HP releasing this to open source developers so unix instances 
automatically boot with hooks in to this memory fabric, the internet of things 
starts dumping data in to this system.  By 2020 there will be over 30 billion 
connected devices, that level of connectivity will crush the network as it 
stands today but ideas like this allow us to progress past Moore’s law right 
down to the photon level rather than primitive atoms.:)

Read a lot more here
http://www.labs.hpe.com/research/themachine/ 

 
I used to laugh at the idea of computing becoming self aware and intelligent 
especially by 2029 on the near end or 2045 on the far end.  IF possible I used 
to think it would take hundreds of years especially considering where we 
started.  I’m not laughing any more.  I’m wondering if 2029 isn’t to far out?  
I’m not sure if I’m ready for my computing infrastructure to be alive rather 
than a thing.  Wait until the human machine interfaces become so good that you 
hard wire your brain right to the network and we’ve got 9 billion brains 
available for parallel processing.  I’m in!  For anyone who doubts it, go 
outside, look at the billion people staring at their phones wandering around 
the country side staring like zombies in their phones finding Pokemon.  This 
enhanced reality thing, it’s just the primitive start, the model A ford 
equivalent of it’s time, it’s about to get really really interesting!

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Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

David, that’s a lot to think about there but all very true.  I actually did 
attempt some college classes during period while I was floundering before I 
started my first business and did very well with them.  I was lucky to live 
near a small very high end liberal arts college and took some very interesting 
music technology classes as well as an English class that I absolutely loved.  
I really hadn’t had a professor before that was very inspired in literature and 
lucked out and took a class on World War II literature taught by the dean of 
the department and the reading was demanding but one of my favorite non 
technical classes of all time.
The school assigned a technologist to work with me in the music program 
since screen reading wasn’t nearly as developed as it is now although from what 
Katy was saying I probably should have looked at outspoken more.  I think the 
big advantage for me was the class sizes were extremely small, most of my 
classes in technology were 2 people including me and the English class was 
large but much more fun that way do to the in class discussions.
If I stay up here in Massachusetts which is basically college central I 
wonder if I should approach a school and see if they have any programs that 
specialize in smaller sizes.  MIT has approached me several times to work for 
them as an engineer and they offer free classes to employees.  I wouldn’t 
object to throwing money at the problem (I’m good at that) and paying for more 
personalized instruction since I don’t do well in a lot of large lectures with 
white boards as we discussed earlier.

As always David, you’ve given me a lot to think about.




> On Jul 15, 2016, at 9:02 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> 
> You always have time to go back and attend university.
> 
> I went to a university directly after high school and flunked out. I never 
> reported that year to any other education institution. This way, I escaped 
> the C- GPA drag.
> 
> I then attended community college for a few years part-time, only taking 
> classes that interested me. I then went to massage school (a 9 month program 
> which I graduated from when I was 27).
> 
> When I was 38, I decided I wanted to x-patriate myself from the US. I looked 
> into it and discovered that I would need a masters degree because I am blind. 
> So, I looked at my skills and realised I have excellent understanding of 
> business. So, I located a fully accredited (highest accreditation in US is 
> regional which is the only one accepted overseas), and applied to and entered 
> an online university which met the criteria. A year later, I graduated at the 
> top of my class with a bachelors. Thanks to the appropriate accreditation, 
> and my grades, I easily entered a masters program when I was 40.
> 
> The truth is, university was much easier for me when I returned at 38. I had 
> developed the drive and focus which I lacked when I was 18. Put another way, 
> now is as good a time as any to go back to university.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, I wish I was smart, I could never get the whole education school thing 
>> down.  I tried college, dropped out and started a business, tried again, 
>> lost focus, started another business and moved on.  I’ve always felt guilty 
>> about it.  My poor mother wanted to see me graduate college with a degree so 
>> badly.  Always felt like I let her down.
>> 
>> Oh well I went the long way but my positions more recently and career have 
>> made up for a lot but I always wished I had the focus and stuff to get 
>> through and do well in college.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
>>> into a college life, meet new people.
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>>> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>> Hi Donna and Devin,
>>>> 
>>>> Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
>>>> community college would be a great idea, you would also get to meet many
>>>> other people from all walks of life.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve met truckloads of people from my studies at University
>>>> I would tell my family where to get off if my parents had tried to put me
>>>> into a group living situation.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 

Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Hi Donna, you’re right of course.  It is something I would like to eventually 
succeed at though, I’m fairly good at looking at failure as just another data 
point and trying something else but that’s one that has personal significants.

On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Scott, you're plenty smart, and you've done quite well for yourself besides.  
> School just isn't for everyone.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, I wish I was smart, I could never get the whole education school thing 
>> down.  I tried college, dropped out and started a business, tried again, 
>> lost focus, started another business and moved on.  I’ve always felt guilty 
>> about it.  My poor mother wanted to see me graduate college with a degree so 
>> badly.  Always felt like I let her down.
>> 
>> Oh well I went the long way but my positions more recently and career have 
>> made up for a lot but I always wished I had the focus and stuff to get 
>> through and do well in college.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
>>> into a college life, meet new people.
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>> Hi Donna and Devin,
>>>> 
>>>> Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
>>>> community college would be a great idea, you would also get to meet many
>>>> other people from all walks of life.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve met truckloads of people from my studies at University
>>>> I would tell my family where to get off if my parents had tried to put me
>>>> into a group living situation.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 12:56 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech
>>>> world at only 22
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you, Scott.  I've been thinking about how to respond to this message
>>>> since last night.  You hit the nail on the head.
>>>> 
>>>> Devon, no, I can't imagine why on earth you would be at an adult learning
>>>> facility.  Do you have any ideas about what kind of career you might like 
>>>> to
>>>> pursue?  I would suggest a visit to a community college as a starting 
>>>> point.
>>>> Meet with a career counselor there, a regular career counselor is going to
>>>> be much more likely to help you generate a broader list of options. Then
>>>> maybe start by taking a couple of classes there.  That would be a good way
>>>> to get your feet wet and figure out if a four-year college is for you.  If
>>>> it's not, it will still help you come up with some better options for
>>>> yourself than what you currently have.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Scott Granados
>>>> mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’m hoping there’s some hyperbole or excess here to make a point because on
>>>> the surface your message disturbs me.  You’re far to smart to end up in a
>>>> group home.  I’ve seen your posts here and other places, you don’t seem 
>>>> like
>>>> group home material to me. How can we help avoid such a thing?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Devin Prater
>>>> mailto:d.pra...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I talked to her years ago, before she joined Apple. Yeah, she’s pretty 
>>>> cool.
>>>> I guess I’m the blindie here. I grew up a pampered kid in a lower-middle
>>>> class home. I went and somehow graduated from the Alabama school for the
>>>> blind, where teachers seemed to care but just couldn’t do much, or didn’t
>>>> know what to do, exactly. As you can imagine, they then shuttled me off to
>>>> the adult learning facility, E.H. Gentry, where I attend now. I know more
>>>> than I did when I left ASB, sure, but these blindness organizations just
>>>> aren’t all that organized, at least here in the state of football and
>>>> rednecks. I just hope that I can get at least something to 

Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones

[Scott Granados]

So my guess here is that the interference is 60 cycle hum is that correct, 50 
for you folks across the pond.  Would you say that’s the case?

I’m wondering if the jack size is different enough and or you’re plugging the 
line in and out in the wrong place type of thing.  I’m just trying to think of 
the things that have generated that sort of sound that I’ve done in the past 
and that’s a really simple one that’s caught me up before.  Might be a pin out 
deal as well if the jack you’re using is one of the integrated microphone / 
stereo combos that’s a little bit longer than your standard 8th inch jack.  
Also, some apples have a single line in and out that censes, the censing 
mechanism mightn’t be working, and others have separate.

Hope I didn’t confuse things.


> On Jul 15, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Martin Brown  wrote:
> 
> There is indeed Simon. Sadly I get the same interference on all frequencies. 
> My reason for trying these instead of Bluetooth is quite simply to find a use 
> for a very nice and comfortable  pair of headphones. And, equally, my 
> curiosity has been peaked as to why I only get this problem on my Mac Mini.
> Martin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 10:20 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mac Mini and wireless headphones
> 
> Does the base station for the headset have a frequency selector on the base 
> of it?
> 
> 
> 
> Possibly you need to select a new channel for it to work from your mac.
> 
> 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William Gallik
> Sent: Friday, 15 July 2016 8:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones
> 
> 
> 
> Pardon me if you've tried this, but why not Hook your Bluetooth earphones up 
> to your Mac Mini directly using the Bluetooth services on the Mac Mini?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Sent from Bill's iPhone 6 (iOS 9.3.2)
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Martin Brown  <mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>   Hi Scott.
>   Connecting my Mac Mini to a base station using the 3.5 headphone jack 
> on the back of the Mini. I suspect that it could be the close proximity of 
> that headphone jack to the USB outputs that could be the problem. If so, not 
> sure how the problem might be got around. Pity, because the headphones are 
> excellent quality with good comfort for prolonged wearing.
>   Martin
>   
>   -----Original Message-
>   From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>   Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:44 PM
>   To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>   Subject: Re: Mac Mini and wireless headphones
>   
>   How are you connecting the headphones to the Mac?  Via 
> bluetoothdirectly or an adapter.
>   
>   
>   
> 
>   On Jul 14, 2016, at 6:28 AM, Martin Brown 
> mailto:mbrown.bro...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> 
>
> 
>   I have tried to use a set of wireless headphones on my Mac 
> Mini, but 
> 
>   get a constant hum in the background. I have tried them on my 
> Windows 
> 
>   machine and my wife has tried them on her iMac, and in both 
> instances 
> 
>   they perform flawlessly. Just wondering if anyone might suggest 
> a 
> 
>   possible cause, and even better, a possible fix.
> 
>   Martin
> 
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Re: VMware Fusion: When the keyboard commands are not being sent to WIndows

[Scott Granados]

you can tab over to unity then alt tab I believe it is back  and focus drops in 
to the VM.  Also, command F5 and shut off voice over while in the VM, that 
helps me greatly but might not meet your needs.

Just my $.02

> On Jul 15, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I was able to install Windows 10 as a Virtual Machine. I pressed command, 
> which is Windows key, and suddenly tab or any other command was being sent to 
> the Mac tabbing to suspend, Unity etc.
> Is there a way to avoid this? Furthermore, when this happens, how do I start 
> sending keys to Windows again? Currently, I have to quit Fusion and start it 
> up again. CMD-G used to work, not anymore.
> 
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Re: HP's radical new computing design or Singularity here we come!

[Scott Granados]

Since this is on IOS I think it’s on topic, it’s also installed more frequently 
than twitter and tinder combined so it’s a major factor, in less than a week 
mind you since release.

I’m not sure about programming, what I find more interesting is that the 
cameras and microphones are always on and all that data is being uploaded 
burning through data plans from sea to shining sea.  In stead of programming I 
propose it’s for hyper accurate modeling of everything from the topography to 
inside buildings right down to modeling of behavior and human data mining.  
Want to spot trends coming up, observe your total install base to such a degree 
you can model it.  Add that to the other article I posted about distributed 
computing models with memory as the core.

Like I said, it’s about to get interesting.

“At 3:14 PM Sky Net became self aware…”  

Not bad for the monkeys playing around with the Roswell saucer.  (that’s for 
you ET)


> On Jul 16, 2016, at 12:14 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I cannot resist. Pokemon = subliminal programming.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/15/2016 8:40 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Absolutely startling developments at HP that may impact us all.  It
>> dwarfs what Apple is doing in the cloud or even the idea of the cloud.
>> It’s also probably one of your m ore frightening advertising videos.
>> It’s tied in with Star Trek believe it or not but basically they’re
>> using the idea of the Singularity (AKA Ray Kurzweil and the Singularity).
>> 
>> The idea is that instead of processors and nodes in the cloud like we
>> have now there will be a massive pile of addressable memory.  They have
>> built this system, memory is stored on fabric made of photons meaning
>> memory is stored on particles of light instead of electrons.  This means
>> a base increase of performance over conventional circuits of 1000 times
>> but it gets crazier than that.  Once data is stored in photons you can
>> start applying principles of quantum mechanics using ideas like
>> entanglement to instantly transfer data over any distance.  Think of a
>> radio wave taking 8 minutes to get from our Sun to our planet in perfect
>> conditions, now imagine modulating one out of two photons in a pair and
>> seeing it’s results over that same distance instantly because
>> information can exceed the speed of light.
>> Imagine HP releasing this to open source developers so unix instances
>> automatically boot with hooks in to this memory fabric, the internet of
>> things starts dumping data in to this system.  By 2020 there will be
>> over 30 billion connected devices, that level of connectivity will crush
>> the network as it stands today but ideas like this allow us to progress
>> past Moore’s law right down to the photon level rather than primitive
>> atoms.:)
>> 
>> Read a lot more here
>> http://www.labs.hpe.com/research/themachine/
>> 
>> I used to laugh at the idea of computing becoming self aware and
>> intelligent especially by 2029 on the near end or 2045 on the far end.
>> IF possible I used to think it would take hundreds of years especially
>> considering where we started.  I’m not laughing any more.  I’m wondering
>> if 2029 isn’t to far out?  I’m not sure if I’m ready for my computing
>> infrastructure to be alive rather than a thing.  Wait until the human
>> machine interfaces become so good that you hard wire your brain right to
>> the network and we’ve got 9 billion brains available for parallel
>> processing.  I’m in!  For anyone who doubts it, go outside, look at the
>> billion people staring at their phones wandering around the country side
>> staring like zombies in their phones finding Pokemon.  This enhanced
>> reality thing, it’s just the primitive start, the model A ford
>> equivalent of it’s time, it’s about to get really really interesting!
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Re: iOS 10 is a total mess

[Scott Granados]

Remember these are typically sited users making these comparisons.  Our VO 
experiences may and probably will vary from theirs wildly so something we may 
love they may n to do to appearance or video performance issues etc.


> On Jul 17, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't really go into any specifics, but I'll just say in my opinion, the 
> iOS 10 beta even from the first day I got it with WWDC paid devs, was 
> probably the most rock solid most stable beta I think that I've ever seen!
> 
> If anyone is saying iOS is a mess, they really need to look at things more 
> objectively.
> ---
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> - Original Message - From: "Shawn Krasniuk" 
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 5:47 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 10 is a total mess
> 
> 
> Hi. I haven't read the whole article mainly because I can't open a reader 
> window, but from what I've read, it seems like it's a total whine fest. I 
> mean, has the guy used beta software before? It's called "beta" for a reason. 
> There will be bugs, but who's to say that these bugs will remain in the next 
> beta or even this fall? If you can't stand the bugs, don't install the beta. 
> Plain and simple.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:33 AM, -  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.zdnet.com/article/ios-10-is-a-total-mess/#ftag=RSSbaffb68
>> 
>> XB
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Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

You know, it’s interesting, all kidding aside I can’t imagine myself being a 
citizen of another country.  It’s funny how we attach to the places we’re born. 
I’ve also had America / Apple pie / Baseball / tea parties and liberty bells 
drilled in to my head since I can remember so it’s hard for me to imagine.  I 
could definitely see living somewhere else and working in another part of the 
world but I’m not sure about citizen.  Maybe my ideas are to outdated.


> On Jul 17, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Bloody government.
> 
> Oh well yor here now.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 9:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the 
> tech world at only 22
> 
> Yes, Simon, I could not immigrate here. I immigrated independently. Most 
> blind people who immigrate do so as the partner of a Kiwi. I did not just 
> want to come here to work. I wished to become a citizen. To do so, I needed 
> to match the immigration skills list and have enough points. Also, I needed 
> to prove I could live independently. It would have been been much easier had 
> I married a Kiwi.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 20:04, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> David, do you mean you couldn't move over here until you got a masters 
>> degree?
>> 
>> I can't believe that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: To Devon, (was This blind Apple engineer is transforming the 
>> tech world at only 22
>> 
>> Scott,
>> 
>> You always have time to go back and attend university.
>> 
>> I went to a university directly after high school and flunked out. I never 
>> reported that year to any other education institution. This way, I escaped 
>> the C- GPA drag.
>> 
>> I then attended community college for a few years part-time, only taking 
>> classes that interested me. I then went to massage school (a 9 month program 
>> which I graduated from when I was 27).
>> 
>> When I was 38, I decided I wanted to x-patriate myself from the US. I looked 
>> into it and discovered that I would need a masters degree because I am 
>> blind. So, I looked at my skills and realised I have excellent understanding 
>> of business. So, I located a fully accredited (highest accreditation in US 
>> is regional which is the only one accepted overseas), and applied to and 
>> entered an online university which met the criteria. A year later, I 
>> graduated at the top of my class with a bachelors. Thanks to the appropriate 
>> accreditation, and my grades, I easily entered a masters program when I was 
>> 40.
>> 
>> The truth is, university was much easier for me when I returned at 38. I had 
>> developed the drive and focus which I lacked when I was 18. Put another way, 
>> now is as good a time as any to go back to university.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Jul 2016, at 12:04, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, I wish I was smart, I could never get the whole education school thing 
>>> down.  I tried college, dropped out and started a business, tried again, 
>>> lost focus, started another business and moved on.  I’ve always felt guilty 
>>> about it.  My poor mother wanted to see me graduate college with a degree 
>>> so badly.  Always felt like I let her down.
>>> 
>>> Oh well I went the long way but my positions more recently and career have 
>>> made up for a lot but I always wished I had the focus and stuff to get 
>>> through and do well in college.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I loved attending my community college. It was a great way to ease
>>>> into a college life, meet new people.
>>>> Vaughn
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/15/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Donna and Devin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Devin, if your as sheltered as you make it sound, Donnas suggestion of a
>>>

Re: HP's radical new computing design or Singularity here we come!

[Scott Granados]

We’re in for very interesting times.  I was reading about some applications 
today designed to run on “the machine”.  One was a linux instance that has no 
distinction between memory or hard disk, everything is just running in 
addressable memory.  Each instance is built with a minimum of a petabyte of 
assigned storage.

Each module in HP’s machine consists of a fabric memory module, a processing 
module and a fabric switch.  These modules all link together in to one big 
addressable compute space.  Their idea is everything will plug in to this 
eventually, security is implemented from the hardware up instead of added on 
top like the machines do today.  There will be huge blocks of free space for 
open source use, paid space for company data, shared space for global access, 
and since it’s built in light instead of electrons it’s just as fast no matter 
how large and complex the design gets so there’s no theoretical maximum.  Like 
I said, Sky Net.:)

You don’t think of HP as being that cutting edge any more but this is a huge 
deal.

It makes you wonder how much longer we’ll be dealing with laptops or phones or 
tablets or anything recognizable.  Sabahattin may be right, the Mac might be 
going away but to be replaced with something a whole bunch more interesting.

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Wow, Scot, I probably only understand half of that, but it's crazy.  Thanks 
> for sharing.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Scott Granados > <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely startling developments at HP that may impact us all.  It dwarfs 
>> what Apple is doing in the cloud or even the idea of the cloud.  It’s also 
>> probably one of your m ore frightening advertising videos.  It’s tied in 
>> with Star Trek believe it or not but basically they’re using the idea of the 
>> Singularity (AKA Ray Kurzweil and the Singularity).
>> 
>> The idea is that instead of processors and nodes in the cloud like we have 
>> now there will be a massive pile of addressable memory.  They have built 
>> this system, memory is stored on fabric made of photons meaning memory is 
>> stored on particles of light instead of electrons.  This means a base 
>> increase of performance over conventional circuits of 1000 times but it gets 
>> crazier than that.  Once data is stored in photons you can start applying 
>> principles of quantum mechanics using ideas like entanglement to instantly 
>> transfer data over any distance.  Think of a radio wave taking 8 minutes to 
>> get from our Sun to our planet in perfect conditions, now imagine modulating 
>> one out of two photons in a pair and seeing it’s results over that same 
>> distance instantly because information can exceed the speed of light.
>>  Imagine HP releasing this to open source developers so unix instances 
>> automatically boot with hooks in to this memory fabric, the internet of 
>> things starts dumping data in to this system.  By 2020 there will be over 30 
>> billion connected devices, that level of connectivity will crush the network 
>> as it stands today but ideas like this allow us to progress past Moore’s law 
>> right down to the photon level rather than primitive atoms.:)
>> 
>> Read a lot more here
>> http://www.labs.hpe.com/research/themachine/ 
>> <http://www.labs.hpe.com/research/themachine/>
>> 
>> I used to laugh at the idea of computing becoming self aware and intelligent 
>> especially by 2029 on the near end or 2045 on the far end.  IF possible I 
>> used to think it would take hundreds of years especially considering where 
>> we started.  I’m not laughing any more.  I’m wondering if 2029 isn’t to far 
>> out?  I’m not sure if I’m ready for my computing infrastructure to be alive 
>> rather than a thing.  Wait until the human machine interfaces become so good 
>> that you hard wire your brain right to the network and we’ve got 9 billion 
>> brains available for parallel processing.  I’m in!  For anyone who doubts 
>> it, go outside, look at the billion people staring at their phones wandering 
>> around the country side staring like zombies in their phones finding 
>> Pokemon.  This enhanced reality thing, it’s just the primitive start, the 
>> model A ford equivalent of it’s time, it’s about to get really really 
>> interesting!
>> 
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Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 22

[Scott Granados]

Aww come on, I’m going to need a Hillary / Trump escape plan!

Peter Jackson could hire me to make sure his render farms are networked 
properly.  I’d be happy to cut you in.:)  I was good enough for Dream Works so 
should be able to slide that.

> On Jul 16, 2016, at 4:02 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Scott, I'm not sure we want your kind down here in the southern hemisphere.
> 
> Specially around new Zealand we're a very clean country 
> 
> You might dirty the water!
> 
> Lol.
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Saturday, 16 July 2016 12:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This blind Apple engineer is transforming the tech world at only 
> 22
> 
> David, when that business grows large enough you need an IT department, you 
> let me know.  Would be nice to have a post hillary escape strategy.:)
> 
> haha
> 
> Good luck, sounds like interesting and rewarding work.
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 12:34 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> It is an expansion of my current business. I am now contracted to do some 
>> government work with those who are disabled. However, it lines me up for 
>> something which will be coming up in a couple years around technology and 
>> accessibility.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 15 Jul 2016, at 00:59, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's exciting, David.  What is your new business?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 14, 2016, at 5:34 AM, David Chittenden  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I just signed a new contracting agreement, so I am about to start a 
>>>> new business. If I am correct, I will preceed an upcoming trend and be 
>>>> ready to capitalise on where things appear to be headed. Here we go with 
>>>> the next business.
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Jul 2016, at 16:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> David, I like your history, not to point out a bad thing but I like your 
>>>>> comments on failed businesses.  I’m right there with you.
>>>>> I always hid my blindness when possible while doing business.  I had for 
>>>>> a while, especially during my first attempt, sited folks that I put out 
>>>>> front and I mainly dealt with people through telephones or email etc.  
>>>>> This worked for several years although there were reporters and other 
>>>>> people very interested in my business (an internet provider) at the time 
>>>>> who made it challenging to hide.  I would actually only allow these 
>>>>> people close if I was able to maintain control and final approval whether 
>>>>> something would be released and I had a marketing person for a while who 
>>>>> I made review everything to make sure no hints leaked out.  I remember 
>>>>> meeting a fellow business owner later in the history of that company who 
>>>>> convinced me to completely drop that policy and had his marketing droid 
>>>>> try to convince me to use my image in marketing campaigns which I never 
>>>>> went that far but I definitely loosened things up.  I’m glad though that 
>>>>> person got through to me.
>>>>> Oh and I still have a PDP 11.:) Complete with the 8 dip switches and 
>>>>> submit button so you can enter in the first few bytes by hand to boot the 
>>>>> box and start loading from tape.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:58 AM, David Chittenden  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I guess I will chime in here. I was congenitally (born) blind. My 
>>>>>> brother, who is two years older, is also blind.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We started school at a blindness school, and then attended a bording 
>>>>>> school for the blind. My parents decided to mainstream us when I entered 
>>>>>> 6th grade. The schools for the blind taught me certain skills such as 
>>>>>> braille, quite well. Fortunately, I was mainstreamed early enough to get 
>>>>>> a healthy dose of normal (s

Re: HP's radical new computing design or Singularity here we come!

[Scott Granados]

Sign me up!

> On Jul 18, 2016, at 10:49 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   And someday humans can port their memories to this technology for infinite 
> posterity before their physical bodies go poof. Is this called immortality?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/17/2016 7:55 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> We’re in for very interesting times.  I was reading about some
>> applications today designed to run on “the machine”.  One was a linux
>> instance that has no distinction between memory or hard disk, everything
>> is just running in addressable memory.  Each instance is built with a
>> minimum of a petabyte of assigned storage.
>> 
>> Each module in HP’s machine consists of a fabric memory module, a
>> processing module and a fabric switch.  These modules all link together
>> in to one big addressable compute space.  Their idea is everything will
>> plug in to this eventually, security is implemented from the hardware up
>> instead of added on top like the machines do today.  There will be huge
>> blocks of free space for open source use, paid space for company data,
>> shared space for global access, and since it’s built in light instead of
>> electrons it’s just as fast no matter how large and complex the design
>> gets so there’s no theoretical maximum.  Like I said, Sky Net.:)
>> 
>> You don’t think of HP as being that cutting edge any more but this is a
>> huge deal.
>> 
>> It makes you wonder how much longer we’ll be dealing with laptops or
>> phones or tablets or anything recognizable.  Sabahattin may be right,
>> the Mac might be going away but to be replaced with something a whole
>> bunch more interesting.
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Donna Goodin >> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, Scot, I probably only understand half of that, but it's crazy.
>>> Thanks for sharing.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jul 15, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Scott Granados >>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Absolutely startling developments at HP that may impact us all.  It
>>>> dwarfs what Apple is doing in the cloud or even the idea of the
>>>> cloud.  It’s also probably one of your m ore frightening advertising
>>>> videos.  It’s tied in with Star Trek believe it or not but basically
>>>> they’re using the idea of the Singularity (AKA Ray Kurzweil and the
>>>> Singularity).
>>>> 
>>>> The idea is that instead of processors and nodes in the cloud like we
>>>> have now there will be a massive pile of addressable memory.  They
>>>> have built this system, memory is stored on fabric made of photons
>>>> meaning memory is stored on particles of light instead of electrons.
>>>> This means a base increase of performance over conventional circuits
>>>> of 1000 times but it gets crazier than that.  Once data is stored in
>>>> photons you can start applying principles of quantum mechanics using
>>>> ideas like entanglement to instantly transfer data over any distance.
>>>> Think of a radio wave taking 8 minutes to get from our Sun to our
>>>> planet in perfect conditions, now imagine modulating one out of two
>>>> photons in a pair and seeing it’s results over that same distance
>>>> instantly because information can exceed the speed of light.
>>>> Imagine HP releasing this to open source developers so unix instances
>>>> automatically boot with hooks in to this memory fabric, the internet
>>>> of things starts dumping data in to this system.  By 2020 there will
>>>> be over 30 billion connected devices, that level of connectivity will
>>>> crush the network as it stands today but ideas like this allow us to
>>>> progress past Moore’s law right down to the photon level rather than
>>>> primitive atoms.:)
>>>> 
>>>> Read a lot more here
>>>> http://www.labs.hpe.com/research/themachine/
>>>> 
>>>> I used to laugh at the idea of computing becoming self aware and
>>>> intelligent especially by 2029 on the near end or 2045 on the far
>>>> end.  IF possible I used to think it would take hundreds of years
>>>> especially considering where we started.  I’m not laughing any more.
>>>> I’m wondering if 2029 isn’t to far out?  I’m not sure if I’m ready
>>>> for my computing infrastructure to be alive rather than a thing.
>>>&

Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Scott Granados]

Hi Simon, I think the idea is the air being so light why bother leaving it and 
not just taking it to the couch with you.  Set it on the coffee table in front 
of you when you’re not using it.:)

Being so small I sort of get the question.
> On Jul 21, 2016, at 5:05 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Keyboard from a distance!
> 
> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why wouldn't I 
> use a wifi keyboard.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
> 
> Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and the Air 
> already have keyboards? 
>> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Not that model but I have used a 700 series model on my mac book air.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:14 AM
>> To: MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>> 
>>   Curious if anyone uses this keyboard on a Macbook Pro. Its a wireless 
>> model, not Bluetooth, uses a USB transmitter.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Scott Granados]

So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops were like 
large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and weighed 50 lbs.

They are really that tricky to move?

What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so light why 
bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but I just leave them 
around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed and do work or in the 
recliner or where ever. 
To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your desktop type 
installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the original poster mentioned want 
to sit on my couch and control with out having to sit at the desk directly in 
front of it.  Laptops though to me are already portable and having another 
keyboard is just another thing for me to forget to put away and step on.:)

As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you talkin 
about Willis?

;)

 

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi ET,
> I agree!
> its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to the lap 
> top! :)
> JMO
> Chuck
> 
> CHUCK REICHEL
> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
> www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
> 954-742-0019
> Isaiah 26 : 3
>  Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because 
> he trusteth in thee.
> 
> In GOD I Trust
> 
> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>>   To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its much 
>> heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you don't want 
>> that, that is great.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>> Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an additional 
>>> keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is. If I had a bulky 
>>> Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I would use an additional 
>>> keyboard.
 On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Keyboard from a distance!
 
 If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why wouldn't I 
 use a wifi keyboard.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
 Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:17 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
 
 Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and the Air 
 already have keyboards?
> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Not that model but I have used a 700 series model on my mac book air.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2016 10:14 AM
> To: MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Logitech K800 Keyboard
> 
>  Curious if anyone uses this keyboard on a Macbook Pro. Its a wireless 
> model, not Bluetooth, uses a USB transmitter.
> 
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Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Scott Granados]

Ah don’t mind the 666 stuff, all that is is the initialization number for 
barcodes 

Besides, we need you to plug in to the network, people like me who are burning 
out need your excess capacity.

And hey, once everyone’s plugged in to the network and all our collective 
memories are addressable there will be no need for disclosure.:)


> On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:00 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Or whatever floats your boat (or ark for some). I never had one of those 
> laptops. Well the beauty of it all is that there are as many choices as there 
> are individuals.
> 
>   And the day may well come when technology will provide a wireless link to 
> our minds. I will let someone else have a go at that. Its too like the 666 
> stuff. (smiles)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 7/21/2016 7:54 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops were
>> like large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and weighed
>> 50 lbs.
>> 
>> They are really that tricky to move?
>> 
>> What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so
>> light why bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but I
>> just leave them around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed and
>> do work or in the recliner or where ever.
>> To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your desktop
>> type installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the original poster
>> mentioned want to sit on my couch and control with out having to sit at
>> the desk directly in front of it.  Laptops though to me are already
>> portable and having another keyboard is just another thing for me to
>> forget to put away and step on.:)
>> 
>> As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you
>> talkin about Willis?
>> 
>> ;)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>>> >> <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> I agree!
>>> its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to the
>>> lap top! :)
>>> JMO
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>
>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com <http://www.soundpicturerecording.com/>
>>> 954-742-0019
>>> Isaiah 26 : 3
>>> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
>>> because he trusteth in thee.
>>> 
>>> In GOD I Trust
>>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its much
>>>> heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you don't
>>>> want that, that is great.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>>>> Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an
>>>>> additional keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is.
>>>>> If I had a bulky Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I
>>>>> would use an additional keyboard.
>>>>>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty >>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Keyboard from a distance!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why
>>>>>> wouldn't I use a wifi keyboard.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 21 July 2016 10:17 AM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi. Why would you need another keyboard as the Mac Book Pro and the
>>>>>> Air already have keyboards?
>>>>>>> On 20 Jul 2016, at 08:27, Simon Fogarty >>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-

Re: Logitech K800 Keyboard

[Scott Granados]

To bring this back on topic, how about the early Apple 2C computer that had the 
separate 10 inch CRT monitor that was only 20 lbs instead of the full sized 70 
lbs color monitor.  The computer itself was sort of a laptop like but very 
squared form factor, very weird design because you had really no card slots to 
speak of and I believe it was a 3.5 inch disk.  It was pretty clever.
My first laptop was a Toshiba 286 12 megahertz (yes twelve megahertz) 
dos machine with an Artic synthesizer that fit in a special slot and business 
vision as the screen reader.

Word Perfect 51 baby! :)

Good times
Even with things like accessibility it’s amazing how far we’ve come but also 
what we were able to accomplish even back in the day with limited resources.

In the interest of the date let’s remember that 47 years ago right now 3 brave 
humans were streaking back to earth having successfully landed on the moon.  
Why mention this in an apple forum, your iPhone today has more computing power 
than the entire Apollo program.  In fact several times. So get out there and do 
something special with all that capability.:)

And for ET, some people think Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin might have had a 
cheering section waiting for them when they landed on the surface.


> On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Kimber Gardner  
> wrote:
> 
> Remember the old Compaq? They called it a "portable" but that was only
> if you happened to be a weight-lifter. I actually bought a little cart
> with wheels so I could truck the thing around with me. Lol! Ah, the
> memories!
> 
> Yes, aI am that old. 
> 
> 
> On 7/21/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> So I feel like I’ve beamed back to 1985 for a minute where laptops were like
>> large lunch pails and had 10 inch CRT screens installed and weighed 50 lbs.
>> 
>> They are really that tricky to move?
>> 
>> What ever works.  For me, especially the new air or MBP they are so light
>> why bother.  Maybe I’m spoiled because I have more than one but I just leave
>> them around my work areas and can easily sit back in bed and do work or in
>> the recliner or where ever.
>> To me a bluetooth or wireless keyboard makes more sense on your desktop type
>> installations.  Say an iMac where I would as the original poster mentioned
>> want to sit on my couch and control with out having to sit at the desk
>> directly in front of it.  Laptops though to me are already portable and
>> having another keyboard is just another thing for me to forget to put away
>> and step on.:)
>> 
>> As they say though, different strokes for different folks.  What you talkin
>> about Willis?
>> 
>> ;)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:29 AM, CHUCK REICHEL
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi ET,
>>> I agree!
>>> its much more convenient to have an external keyboard hooked up to the lap
>>> top! :)
>>> JMO
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> CHUCK REICHEL
>>> soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>
>>> www.SoundPictureRecording.com <http://www.soundpicturerecording.com/>
>>> 954-742-0019
>>> Isaiah 26 : 3
>>> Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee:
>>> because he trusteth in thee.
>>> 
>>> In GOD I Trust
>>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:09 AM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  To each his/her own. My MBP has things connected to it and its much
>>>> heavier than a wireless keyboard. Much more convenient. If you don't want
>>>> that, that is great.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/21/2016 6:01 AM, Saqib Hussain wrote:
>>>>> Hi. Yes I see your point but I personally wouldn’t pair an additional
>>>>> keyboard because these laptops are light enough as it is. If I had a
>>>>> bulky Windows laptop hooked up to my speakers! Then I would use an
>>>>> additional keyboard.
>>>>>> On 21 Jul 2016, at 10:05, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Keyboard from a distance!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If my air is sitting on my desk and I'm lying on the couch  why
>>>>>> wouldn't I use a wifi keyboard.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
&

Re: Purchasing an iPhone and not having a Sim card

[Scott Granados]

Mary, this is not a big deals, your carrier will give you a sim for free if you 
ask nicely or just reuse one if you have one handy.  It’s not needed to have 
valid service on the sim just that something’s in the slot.

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I recall seeing somewhere that if you buy an iPhone, such as an iPhone SE, 
> and you don't get a carriers Sim card to go with it, you can't use it. Is 
> that true? I have an android phone that I never had a Sim card for, and it 
> has worked just fine as a tablet more or less. I would like to use an iPhone 
> se  as an iPod.  Is that possible?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: El Capitan

[Scott Granados]

That means it’s still trying to or needs to have the download resumed.

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Marie Lyons  wrote:
> 
> No such item. The only thing in my app folder is “os 10 El Capitan app store 
> down load” When I click to open it nothing happens.
> 
> Marie Lyons
>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marie,
>> 
>> Have  a look in your applications folder for an install OS X el capitan appp 
>> and if it's there click on it to run then hopefully it will start the 
>> install.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie Lyons
>> Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2016 10:26 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: El Capitan
>> 
>> I had some time today where I didn’t need to use my mac so I decided to 
>> download and install the upgrade. It kept pausing and when it only had a 
>> minute to go I went and did something else. As it turns out I still have 
>> Yosemite. I went back to the app store and attempted the download again. 
>> Nothing happened. Then the download link was dimmed. Is there some trick to 
>> this? 
>> 
>> Marie Lyons
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Re: Very warm Mac Air and its recharger

[Scott Granados]

There’s warm and then there’s warm.:)


So what I’d say is if you can hold your hand on the adapter for example and not 
pull away you’re probably fine.  Apple adapters, at least the one’s I’ve owned 
tend to be warm.  Same with the laptop it should warm but not get to a point 
that I’d call very hot.  The adapter definitely gets hotter than the laptop 
itself.  Make sure your laptop is well ventilated and on a surface like a table 
where heat can be disbursed when charging.  Also make sure your adapter is 
ventilated and not say covered by a blanket or otherwise blocked from venting 
heat.  You should be fine.

 


> On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:31 PM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a used Mac Air that seems to be working well.  I know that a Windows 
> laptop with drives has a fan and it may need to be cleaned out when it's 
> over-heated.But what about my Mac, and even its recharger?  Is this 
> normal, or should I take it in for repair?  It sort of scares me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Sharon H.
> 
> Sharon H.
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OT: need referral for a top shelf labor law attorney in the Boston area

[Scott Granados]

I’ll make this quick.  I’m aware of the Massachusetts commission for the blind 
and the commission for equal opportunity and I’m also familiar with the federal 
agency but that’s not specifically what I’m looking for even though I know they 
are part of the process.
I recently had an employer, after I had received the highest interview 
rating (according to them), and even though I had executed a contract and 
started on site, come back on day 2 and say I “was unqualified for the position 
because of my vision problem”.  Literally that directly.  This work was right 
with in my experience and I have 25 years of work history, positive references 
and track record to back up that position.  There are no accessibility issues, 
no parts of the job that require vision specifically and the new engineer who 
started the day I did as well as our manager all seemed fine with working with 
me.  One of the engineers was also highly placed in the Rhode Island 
Libertarian party and strongly against discrimination as a matter of principle 
and the other fellow seemed equally on board.
I’m being jerked around by an HR person who is making me describe the 
most mundane things that I would accomplish.  For example, I’m being grilled on 
how I would get to the job site when in fact I along with the new engineer who 
joined me showed up 15 minutes early and our manager couldn’t have bothered to 
have been on time.  So go ahead and ask me questions but make sure your own 
staff live up to the same standards or am I crazy here?
I’m struggling whether to just let HR do their thing although even if 
they did come back and offer me the position back I have lost all trust in the 
team and work environment. I don’t know that I’d want to walk back in there, 
especially now.  On the other hand a big part of me wants to hire the 
equivalent of F. Lee Bailey and bleed the company dry.  I’m not sure that’s a 
rational response either.  So I’m wondering if anyone can refer an attorney 
that can practice in Mass who is an expert on this subject matter?  I have deep 
pockets and can pay.  Even if I have to start with the state or federal agency 
I’d like to have someone advising me who knows the right moves to make.  Again, 
I have deep pockets so I don’t think I should have any issue motivating someone 
sufficiently.  I won’t mention the company’s name at this point but may in the 
future if we don’t get anywhere.  For now anyone who has any ideas of someone 
who could give me good advice on how to proceed would be appreciated.

Thanks
Scott

 

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Re: Purchasing an iPhone and not having a Sim card

[Scott Granados]

This only works if you don’t need to do the first time setup.  If it’s a blank 
iPhone it needs a sim to setup the first time and then it can be used with out 
the SIM until it’s reset again.


> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Not true.  I've used an IPhone without a sim, and it worked just fine.  The 
> biggest thing is just make sure that it's on wifi.  Even if it is isn't, 
> it'll work, but it'll just be extremely limited.
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> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: ; 
> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 9:56 PM
> Subject: Purchasing an iPhone and not having a Sim card
> 
> 
> I recall seeing somewhere that if you buy an iPhone, such as an iPhone SE, 
> and you don't get a carriers Sim card to go with it, you can't use it. Is 
> that true? I have an android phone that I never had a Sim card for, and it 
> has worked just fine as a tablet more or less. I would like to use an iPhone 
> se  as an iPod.  Is that possible?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: OT: need referral for a top shelf labor law attorney in the Boston area

[Scott Granados]

So I don’t want to respond to this to much, it’s off topic and I don’t want to 
push the envelope any more than I already do.  Mark and Kara are pretty 
tolerant of my special brand of insanity at times and that is appreciated.  I 
don’t want to ware out my welcome.

I did however want to say thank you for the many kind words I’ve 
received on and off list, off list ones I’ll respond to individually but I 
wanted to thank everyone here once and hopefully not take up to much list 
traffic.  I’ve gotten universally supportive messages here and on the eyes free 
android list where I asked the same question and that really does help.

We should go back to our usually apple based conversations but if anyone has 
any other specific suggestions or just wants to talk about the topic in general 
or has other ideas feel free to ping me off list.

I appreciate everyone’s flexibility and understanding for the off topic traffic.

Scott


> On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Ann Smith  wrote:
> 
> Good morning, I could've written your post 22 years ago at this time. I was 
> more than qualified to do the work that I was hired to do. They knew it, but 
> after three days they said I was not doing the work quickly enough.
> I have been through the same thing. They would ask how are you going to get 
> here if you're blind, who dresses you, you know the drill. Anyway I'm not 
> sure who to refer you to for any legal help. I wanted to write an offer you 
> more support and best of luck.
> I might know of someone that my direct me to someone to give you some 
> guidance with the situation. I will contact her this afternoon, and try to 
> get back to you as soon as possible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott,
>> write me off list about this and perhaps I can direct you to some options. 
>> It really depends on your goals of course.
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2016, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ll make this quick.  I’m aware of the Massachusetts commission for the 
>>> blind and the commission for equal opportunity and I’m also familiar with 
>>> the federal agency but that’s not specifically what I’m looking for even 
>>> though I know they are part of the process.
>>>   I recently had an employer, after I had received the highest interview 
>>> rating (according to them), and even though I had executed a contract and 
>>> started on site, come back on day 2 and say I “was unqualified for the 
>>> position because of my vision problem”.  Literally that directly.  This 
>>> work was right with in my experience and I have 25 years of work history, 
>>> positive references and track record to back up that position.  There are 
>>> no accessibility issues, no parts of the job that require vision 
>>> specifically and the new engineer who started the day I did as well as our 
>>> manager all seemed fine with working with me.  One of the engineers was 
>>> also highly placed in the Rhode Island Libertarian party and strongly 
>>> against discrimination as a matter of principle and the other fellow seemed 
>>> equally on board.
>>>   I’m being jerked around by an HR person who is making me describe the 
>>> most mundane things that I would accomplish.  For example, I’m being 
>>> grilled on how I would get to the job site when in fact I along with the 
>>> new engineer who joined me showed up 15 minutes early and our manager 
>>> couldn’t have bothered to have been on time.  So go ahead and ask me 
>>> questions but make sure your own staff live up to the same standards or am 
>>> I crazy here?
>>>   I’m struggling whether to just let HR do their thing although even if 
>>> they did come back and offer me the position back I have lost all trust in 
>>> the team and work environment. I don’t know that I’d want to walk back in 
>>> there, especially now.  On the other hand a big part of me wants to hire 
>>> the equivalent of F. Lee Bailey and bleed the company dry.  I’m not sure 
>>> that’s a rational response either.  So I’m wondering if anyone can refer an 
>>> attorney that can practice in Mass who is an expert on this subject matter? 
>>>  I have deep pockets and can pay.  Even if I have to start with the state 
>>> or federal agency I’d like to have someone advising me who knows the right 
>>> moves to make.  Again, I have deep pockets so I don’t think I should have 
>>> any issue motivating someone sufficiently.  I won’t mention the company’s 
>>> name at this point but may in the future if we don’t get a

Re: Purchasing an iPhone and not having a Sim card

[Scott Granados]

Chris, cutting SIM cards is standard practice.  They make specific cutters and 
tools that stores use to do this although you can do it yourself with a good 
cutting tool.  Many times you’re directed to do so by the carrier, in other 
cases they give them away for free.  T-Mobile is one that if you have a good 
relationship with your local store they give them away and AT&t is one known 
for cutting and reusing SIM cards, I suspect many stores will but I know in 
some cases you’re specifically told to resize the sim.  You can also get 
adapters to fit the nano sim in a larger form factor so it can be reused in 
both directions.

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow, cutting the sim card?  That was pretty stupid!  Why couldn't they just 
> replace the sim, for God sake!  Maybe I don't know the whole situation, but 
> you'd think that if you went to a local store, they'd just say, whoops?  You 
> have the wrong size sim.  Hold on, we'll get you one that'll fit.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Purchasing an iPhone and not having a Sim card
> 
> 
> Thanks, Chris. When I got the sim from AT&T, which came in the mail, we 
> couldn't get it in. So we took it to a local store, and they ended up having 
> to cut it. I husband didn't want to do that, because he thought he would 
> wreck it. And even after they cut it, they had a hard time getting it in. But 
> if I do end up getting an SE, hopefully it will fit. I wouldn't normally 
> consider getting another iPhone, since I have one. But my iPad mini is 
> starting to act strangely. And the 64 GB version of the mini cost the same as 
> the iPhone SE. So I'm thinking about it. I don't need the real estate really. 
> And the newer iPhone has a better chip than the current version of the iPad 
> mini.
> Mary
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> Yes.  The sim in the Nexus 6 will fit an IPhone 6+, as well as a 6S, and I'd 
>> imagine a 6S+.  I don't know about an S E, nor a 5C/5.  I know however it 
>> will fit the 5S, as I've done it.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: Purchasing an iPhone and not having a Sim card
>> 
>> 
>> Well, my Nexus six started life on lollipop and definitely had no Sim. But 
>> excess ability came on as you would expect it should. No idea why. I'm not 
>> sure if the sim in the nexus six will fit an iPhone. But it certainly easy 
>> enough to check. Given that they had the Devils time getting the sim into 
>> the Nexus six however, I'm not so sure.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:11 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, I don't want to get off topic here, Mary, but you know what's 
>>> weird about that?  With my Nexus 6, I had no sim in the thing at all. Not 
>>> just a dead sim.  I literally had, *no!* sim.  When I tried with both 
>>> KitKat, and with Lollypop back in the days to boot the phone and hold two 
>>> fingers to turn on Talkback, it wouldn't do it.  Try as I may, it would, 
>>> not, happen.  As soon as I put a sim in the thing, then rebooted, held two 
>>> fingers spread, accessibility came right on first attempt.  It was the 
>>> weirdest thing I'd ever seen!  So, yeah, my point is, I'm not sure if that 
>>> was a glitch, or if you do actually need a sim on Android phones, just like 
>>> on IPhones.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, this is really getting OT, so I'll end it there, but I just found 
>>> that a bit interesting.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 11:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Purchasing an iPhone and not having a Sim card
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Danny. That is what I was afraid of. I wonder why you don't need a 
>>> Sim card with an android phone but you do with an iPhone. Stupid.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 24, 2016, at 8:15 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:
 
 You require a cym card on setup but don't once the phone is up and running.
 
 Danny
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 25 Jul 2016, at 11:56 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I recall seeing somewhere that if you buy an iPhone, such as an iPhone 
> SE, and you don't get a carriers Sim card to go with it, you can't use 
> it. Is that true? I have an android phone that I never had a Sim card 
> for, and it