Re: DBT To Preview At ATIA DBT 11.2 and DBT Mac
Eikeen, I saw that too and thought, wow! Cannot wait to hear more after this event. I am curious to find out if MS Word will still be used or if this version of DBT will work with the Apple version. If that be the case, then I could pack up Windows, or better yet, break some windows (which I never did as a kid). Quote of the nanosecond . . . Hackers make toys. Crackers break them. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/21/2014 5:15 PM, Eileens Misrahi wrote: HELLO All, I thought this was an interesting post from Duxbury. ATIA is next week and in their post they were plugging to preview DBT 11.2 and possibly DBT Mac. That's right!!! I just said the magic words: DBT Mac. I hope they can pull it off and have DBT mac ready for distribution. This would cross one item off my list and maybe I could get use to iWorks. JMO. Eileen Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a simple, but important iphone question?
Karen, Does putting the keypad into touch typing mode help any? Quote of the nanosecond . . . Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/23/2014 8:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi, oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever? my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my ear etc. Thanks for your input, it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up. it is a matter of the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that another system recognizes. wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me. I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these calls when working between appointments. equally I do not want my phone talking in a fashion where others can hear. thanks for the wisdom. Thoughts? Karen On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote: Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able to do it. I used to have more problems with that, but that got corrected. Now they on screen keyboard comes up and you can hear VoiceOver while those awful computers are still talking and won't shut up. I have found it sometimes to be a little easier to use the earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used to be a problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be easily done. Regards, Gigi On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a traditional way using an iphone. here is a simple example. Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user number, then an a password. you then must make a series of choices from a menu. these choices change based on information presented. I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different things. However, I am asking about this specific task. can it be done often with changing flexibility and effortlessly? Thanks, Karen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a simple, but important iphone question?
Karen, Its a Voiceover feature, accessed by using the rotor when in an edit field or the keypad. If you can try it, then you can judge whethger it will work for you or not. Its quicker than standard typing. Keep watching those tage, I have many. LOL Quote of the nanosecond . . . "It is time I stepped aside for a less experienced and less able man." --Scott Elledge, on his retirement as a Professor at Cornell Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/23/2014 9:59 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: I have no idea as I do not own the phone. which models does this option exist on? I can check, even if just for kicks. smiling at your tag line. Kare On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Robert C wrote: Karen, Does putting the keypad into touch typing mode help any? Quote of the nanosecond . . . Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/23/2014 8:26 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi, oh and I forgot an element, using no earphones whatsoever? my phone is a phone, I hold it to my ear, I want the speech in my ear etc. Thanks for your input, it is not a matter of the computer voices not shutting up. it is a matter of the iphone providing the equal of touch tone information that another system recognizes. wanted to clarify since this is a 100% deal breaker for me. I do not want to require an ear piece every time I make one of these calls when working between appointments. equally I do not want my phone talking in a fashion where others can hear. thanks for the wisdom. Thoughts? Karen On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Eugenia Firth wrote: > Karen, based on what I understand you are saying, you should be able > to do it. I used to have more problems with that, but that got > corrected. Now they on screen keyboard comes up and you can hear > VoiceOver while those awful computers are still talking and won't shut > up. I have found it sometimes to be a little easier to use the > earphones, but that's not essential. Like I said, this used to be a > problem, and I think that's why you were told it couldn't be easily > done. > > Regards, > Gigi > > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Karen Lewellen > wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > I read often that it is difficult if not impossible to dial in a > > traditional way using an iphone. > > here is a simple example. > > Let's say you are traveling, you must dial a location, then a user > > number, then an a password. you then must make a series of choices > > from a menu. > > these choices change based on information presented. > > I realize many of you use your iphone for a number of different > > things. > > However, I am asking about this specific task. can it be done often > > with changing flexibility and effortlessly? > > Thanks, > > Karen > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Inporting certain files
Soon I will inport some files into Mountain Lion. What I would like to know is will Safari bookmarks retain the folder structure I used in IE favorites. And likewise, when I import the messages from Gmail in Thunderbird Windows to Mac Mail, will I be able to retain the folders used there? I use IMAP. It was suggested I drag all the folders in TB to the Gmail account and then once Mail is set up and syncs, I can drag them to where I want them. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt." --Mark Twain (1835-1910) Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Inporting certain files
Alex, thanks. Yes the plan is to move the local folders to the gmail account and then move them out of there on the Mac. Will clean things up before the move then cross my fingers. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "It is time I stepped aside for a less experienced and less able man." --Scott Elledge, on his retirement as a Professor at Cornell Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/8/2014 3:03 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Bookmarks should retain their folders, at least they did for me when I moved things over from Firefox. Mail should be fine. So long as you have an IMAP account, any folders you make under that account will appear across all your devices. Locally stored folders will not sync, so be sure to copy anything you need into folders under your IMAP account and let everything upload. -- Have a great day, Alex mehg...@gmail.com On Feb 8, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Robert C wrote: Soon I will inport some files into Mountain Lion. What I would like to know is will Safari bookmarks retain the folder structure I used in IE favorites. And likewise, when I import the messages from Gmail in Thunderbird Windows to Mac Mail, will I be able to retain the folders used there? I use IMAP. It was suggested I drag all the folders in TB to the Gmail account and then once Mail is set up and syncs, I can drag them to where I want them. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt." --Mark Twain (1835-1910) Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Mail setup
Hi all, Tonight or tomorrow I will attempt to setup my 3 mail accounts on the Mac (Mountain Lion). I do not want to have them check mail right away. Is this setting on by default, and if so, can it be changed during the setup? Probably simple but I am still learning how to work in ML so not in a hurry to make a mess. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "I have not failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." --Thomas Edison (1874-1931) Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years. Thanks for any assistance here. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A backward poet writes inverse. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
I will remember that one once I get past an issue that stumps me. I put Dropbox on the Mac. Now when I want to access it, I am asked for the computer password. Is that the same as the login password? I never entered that as far as I can recall. I am really lost and am gonna take a break from it. LOL Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Original copy Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 5:32 PM, John Panarese wrote: The easiest way to jump between the sidebar and the browser window in Finder is to use control-option-j. It automatically interacts for you and saves you steps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:26 PM, Robert C wrote: Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years. Thanks for any assistance here. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A backward poet writes inverse. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Hi Don, We seem to both get around, dont we? Yes I have played with the tutorial a few times, but due to hearing, did not get a lot from it. I wont have any regrets either once I get past this roadblock. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Rock garden Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 5:41 PM, don bishop wrote: Hi Robert, Glad to see you here. I made the switch from windows a few months ago and haven't regretted it. Are you aware of the interactive tutorial for vo? To start the tutorial press command vof8. It's divided into several sections with a section to practice what's been discssed for that particular tutorial section. Since you're in the tutorial, you don't have to worry about accidently performing some action. Check it out if you haven't already. Don - Original Message - From: Robert C To: MacVisionaries Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:26 pm Subject: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years. Thanks for any assistance here. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A backward poet writes inverse. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Good grief. I am given a hint that I probably entered but its too vague. Heh. Will I get locked out after so many failed attemtps? Quote of the nanosecond . . . A smile is the same in any language. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 8:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's your system or account password. You should only be asked this the first time. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Robert C wrote: I will remember that one once I get past an issue that stumps me. I put Dropbox on the Mac. Now when I want to access it, I am asked for the computer password. Is that the same as the login password? I never entered that as far as I can recall. I am really lost and am gonna take a break from it. LOL Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Original copy Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 5:32 PM, John Panarese wrote: The easiest way to jump between the sidebar and the browser window in Finder is to use control-option-j. It automatically interacts for you and saves you steps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:26 PM, Robert C wrote: Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years. Thanks for any assistance here. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A backward poet writes inverse. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Don, Yes, have done that and found Alex the perfect voice tho I usually prefer female. Could buy more voices but was told Mavericks has better ones already so will wait until I upgrade, which will be a while. When I know what I will hear, I get it pretty well. Also have been using the VO w-w command tho it goes faster than the speech rate I set. Oh and the neckloop, yes got those too. Right now using wired. Quote of the nanosecond . . . NyQuil - The stuffy, sneezy, coughing, why-oh-why-is-the-room- spinning medicine. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 8:46 PM, don bishop wrote: Robert, Do you happen to have a bluetooth neckloop. Mine works very well. Don't useit much now that I've lived with the speech for a while, but it was a real when getting started. Also I had to adjust some of the speech settings for better understandability, especially the intonation setting, but the settings really are personal. I do suggest playing around with them though. I haven't tried this myself, but you might also get a wired loop to work through theheadphone jack. Just some ideas. At first, I alsoslowed the speech rate down a bit, but I've gotten used to it, so havespeeded it back up. Don - Original Message - From: Robert C To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:02 pm Subject: Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO Hi Don, We seem to both get around, dont we? Yes I have played with the tutorial a few times, but due to hearing, did not get a lot from it. I wont have any regrets either once I get past this roadblock. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Rock garden Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 5:41 PM, don bishop wrote: Hi Robert, Glad to see you here. I made the switch from windows a few months ago and haven't regretted it. Are you aware of the interactive tutorial for vo? To start the tutorial press command vof8. It's divided into several sections with a section to practice what's been discssed for that particular tutorial section. Since you're in the tutorial, you don't have to worry about accidently performing some action. Check it out if you haven't already. Don - Original Message - From: Robert C To: MacVisionaries Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:26 pm Subject: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years. Thanks for any assistance here. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A backward poet writes inverse. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Hi John, I know I am going to have to do this before I can really move forward. Is the reset process accessible with Voiceover? I found some info on how to do this but not when using Voiceover. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A mistake is to commit a misunderstanding. --Bob Dylan Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 6:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: No, but you won't be able to unlock preferences or install apps without knowing the password for your account. You can reset it, but it's a pain in the backside to do. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Good grief. I am given a hint that I probably entered but its too vague. Heh. Will I get locked out after so many failed attemtps? Quote of the nanosecond . . . A smile is the same in any language. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 8:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's your system or account password. You should only be asked this the first time. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Robert C wrote: I will remember that one once I get past an issue that stumps me. I put Dropbox on the Mac. Now when I want to access it, I am asked for the computer password. Is that the same as the login password? I never entered that as far as I can recall. I am really lost and am gonna take a break from it. LOL Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Original copy Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 5:32 PM, John Panarese wrote: The easiest way to jump between the sidebar and the browser window in Finder is to use control-option-j. It automatically interacts for you and saves you steps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:26 PM, Robert C wrote: Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years. Thanks for any assistance here. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A backward poet writes inverse. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Hi John, Its not my day. When I boot into recovery, the OS X Utility menu comes up. I see no Terminzl option there. Am I in the right menu? Quote of the nanosecond . . . You only live once, but if you work it right, once is enough. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 11:03 AM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's accessible. You have to boot into your Recovery HD by holding down command-r during startup. Then, start VoiceOver after about 30 seconds with command-F5. From the Utility menu, you will find an option for, Terminal. VO-space on that and type, resetpassword and hit enter. This will put you into an interface that will allow you to reset your account password. It's important to note that once you do this and restart the computer, you will be asked if you want to sync your keychain password to your account password. Be sure to do this. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 14, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi John, I know I am going to have to do this before I can really move forward. Is the reset process accessible with Voiceover? I found some info on how to do this but not when using Voiceover. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A mistake is to commit a misunderstanding. --Bob Dylan Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 6:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: No, but you won't be able to unlock preferences or install apps without knowing the password for your account. You can reset it, but it's a pain in the backside to do. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Good grief. I am given a hint that I probably entered but its too vague. Heh. Will I get locked out after so many failed attemtps? Quote of the nanosecond . . . A smile is the same in any language. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 8:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's your system or account password. You should only be asked this the first time. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Robert C wrote: I will remember that one once I get past an issue that stumps me. I put Dropbox on the Mac. Now when I want to access it, I am asked for the computer password. Is that the same as the login password? I never entered that as far as I can recall. I am really lost and am gonna take a break from it. LOL Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Original copy Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 5:32 PM, John Panarese wrote: The easiest way to jump between the sidebar and the browser window in Finder is to use control-option-j. It automatically interacts for you and saves you steps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:26 PM, Robert C wrote: Need a bit of help. Running Mountain Lion on Macbook. I cannot seem to grasp what VO commands to use to move between, say the sidebar and view browser in a Finder window. Been a Windows user for too many years. Thanks for any assistance here. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A backward poet writes inverse. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@goog
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Had done that earlier nbuit went back again. I did not see a 2nd Utilities menu but when I opened the OS X Utilities and clicked the Shoiw All option, I saw a 2nd one. And there it is! But braim fried so will give it a rest for a day. Will let you know when I get that darn password reset. Quote of the nanosecond . . . If the professor on Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of a coconut, why can't he fix a hole in a boat? Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 9:31 PM, John Panarese wrote: Try doing a VO-m when the recovery HD comes up. There should be a Utilities menu. If you go down it, you'll find, Terminal, there. Let me know if I misunderstood you though. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi John, Its not my day. When I boot into recovery, the OS X Utility menu comes up. I see no Terminzl option there. Am I in the right menu? Quote of the nanosecond . . . You only live once, but if you work it right, once is enough. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 11:03 AM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's accessible. You have to boot into your Recovery HD by holding down command-r during startup. Then, start VoiceOver after about 30 seconds with command-F5. From the Utility menu, you will find an option for, Terminal. VO-space on that and type, resetpassword and hit enter. This will put you into an interface that will allow you to reset your account password. It's important to note that once you do this and restart the computer, you will be asked if you want to sync your keychain password to your account password. Be sure to do this. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 14, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi John, I know I am going to have to do this before I can really move forward. Is the reset process accessible with Voiceover? I found some info on how to do this but not when using Voiceover. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A mistake is to commit a misunderstanding. --Bob Dylan Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 6:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: No, but you won't be able to unlock preferences or install apps without knowing the password for your account. You can reset it, but it's a pain in the backside to do. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Good grief. I am given a hint that I probably entered but its too vague. Heh. Will I get locked out after so many failed attemtps? Quote of the nanosecond . . . A smile is the same in any language. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 8:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's your system or account password. You should only be asked this the first time. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Robert C wrote: I will remember that one once I get past an issue that stumps me. I put Dropbox on the Mac. Now when I want to access it, I am asked for the computer password. Is that the same as the login password? I never entered that as far as I can recall. I am really lost and am gonna take a break from it. LOL Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Original copy Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 5:32 PM, John Panarese wrote: The easiest way to jump between the sidebar and the browser window in Finder is to use control-option-j. It automatically interacts for you and saves you steps. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:26 PM
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Well I am now sitting at the login screen, with my user account and I do not know how to click on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . They're g-r-r-r-eat! --Kellog's Frosted Flakes Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 8:25 AM, John Panarese wrote: It's been a while, Robert. Sorry about that if it was the wrong info. I don't even have a Mountain Lion recovery disk I can look at either at this point to check out. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Robert C wrote: Had done that earlier nbuit went back again. I did not see a 2nd Utilities menu but when I opened the OS X Utilities and clicked the Shoiw All option, I saw a 2nd one. And there it is! But braim fried so will give it a rest for a day. Will let you know when I get that darn password reset. Quote of the nanosecond . . . If the professor on Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of a coconut, why can't he fix a hole in a boat? Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 9:31 PM, John Panarese wrote: Try doing a VO-m when the recovery HD comes up. There should be a Utilities menu. If you go down it, you'll find, Terminal, there. Let me know if I misunderstood you though. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi John, Its not my day. When I boot into recovery, the OS X Utility menu comes up. I see no Terminzl option there. Am I in the right menu? Quote of the nanosecond . . . You only live once, but if you work it right, once is enough. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 11:03 AM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's accessible. You have to boot into your Recovery HD by holding down command-r during startup. Then, start VoiceOver after about 30 seconds with command-F5. From the Utility menu, you will find an option for, Terminal. VO-space on that and type, resetpassword and hit enter. This will put you into an interface that will allow you to reset your account password. It's important to note that once you do this and restart the computer, you will be asked if you want to sync your keychain password to your account password. Be sure to do this. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 14, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi John, I know I am going to have to do this before I can really move forward. Is the reset process accessible with Voiceover? I found some info on how to do this but not when using Voiceover. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A mistake is to commit a misunderstanding. --Bob Dylan Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 6:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: No, but you won't be able to unlock preferences or install apps without knowing the password for your account. You can reset it, but it's a pain in the backside to do. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Good grief. I am given a hint that I probably entered but its too vague. Heh. Will I get locked out after so many failed attemtps? Quote of the nanosecond . . . A smile is the same in any language. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/13/2014 8:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's your system or account password. You should only be asked this the first time. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Robert C wrote: I will remember that one once I get past an issue that stumps me. I put Dropbox on the Mac. Now when I want to access it,
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Here is where I am now. I found Terminal and did the password reset. There was something else about ACLs I probably should have left alone. Now when the Mac boots, my user account name is on the screen and sits there.I cannot go any further. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO - what a ride!" Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 8:45 AM, John Panarese wrote: I don't think you have to click on it. I think it's chosen by default if you are the only user. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Robert C wrote: Well I am now sitting at the login screen, with my user account and I do not know how to click on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . They're g-r-r-r-eat! --Kellog's Frosted Flakes Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 8:25 AM, John Panarese wrote: It's been a while, Robert. Sorry about that if it was the wrong info. I don't even have a Mountain Lion recovery disk I can look at either at this point to check out. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Robert C wrote: Had done that earlier nbuit went back again. I did not see a 2nd Utilities menu but when I opened the OS X Utilities and clicked the Shoiw All option, I saw a 2nd one. And there it is! But braim fried so will give it a rest for a day. Will let you know when I get that darn password reset. Quote of the nanosecond . . . If the professor on Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of a coconut, why can't he fix a hole in a boat? Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 9:31 PM, John Panarese wrote: Try doing a VO-m when the recovery HD comes up. There should be a Utilities menu. If you go down it, you'll find, Terminal, there. Let me know if I misunderstood you though. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi John, Its not my day. When I boot into recovery, the OS X Utility menu comes up. I see no Terminzl option there. Am I in the right menu? Quote of the nanosecond . . . You only live once, but if you work it right, once is enough. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 11:03 AM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's accessible. You have to boot into your Recovery HD by holding down command-r during startup. Then, start VoiceOver after about 30 seconds with command-F5. From the Utility menu, you will find an option for, Terminal. VO-space on that and type, resetpassword and hit enter. This will put you into an interface that will allow you to reset your account password. It's important to note that once you do this and restart the computer, you will be asked if you want to sync your keychain password to your account password. Be sure to do this. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 14, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi John, I know I am going to have to do this before I can really move forward. Is the reset process accessible with Voiceover? I found some info on how to do this but not when using Voiceover. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A mistake is to commit a misunderstanding. --Bob Dylan Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 6:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: No, but you won't be able to unlock preferences or install apps without knowing the password for your account. You can reset it, but it's a pain in the backside to do. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Yes that is where I am now. Entered new password, now it wants a new keychain password. Will have to put this on hold for a while. Need coffee. :) Quote of the nanosecond . . . Wouldn't you know itBrain cells come and brain cells go, but FAT cells live forever. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 9:07 AM, John Panarese wrote: Is it the login window? You might have to enter your password or there might be a dialog telling you about your keychain password needing to reset. Do you have VoiceOver speech? Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Robert C wrote: Here is where I am now. I found Terminal and did the password reset. There was something else about ACLs I probably should have left alone. Now when the Mac boots, my user account name is on the screen and sits there.I cannot go any further. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO - what a ride!" Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 8:45 AM, John Panarese wrote: I don't think you have to click on it. I think it's chosen by default if you are the only user. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Robert C wrote: Well I am now sitting at the login screen, with my user account and I do not know how to click on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . They're g-r-r-r-eat! --Kellog's Frosted Flakes Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 8:25 AM, John Panarese wrote: It's been a while, Robert. Sorry about that if it was the wrong info. I don't even have a Mountain Lion recovery disk I can look at either at this point to check out. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Robert C wrote: Had done that earlier nbuit went back again. I did not see a 2nd Utilities menu but when I opened the OS X Utilities and clicked the Shoiw All option, I saw a 2nd one. And there it is! But braim fried so will give it a rest for a day. Will let you know when I get that darn password reset. Quote of the nanosecond . . . If the professor on Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of a coconut, why can't he fix a hole in a boat? Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 9:31 PM, John Panarese wrote: Try doing a VO-m when the recovery HD comes up. There should be a Utilities menu. If you go down it, you'll find, Terminal, there. Let me know if I misunderstood you though. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 14, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi John, Its not my day. When I boot into recovery, the OS X Utility menu comes up. I see no Terminzl option there. Am I in the right menu? Quote of the nanosecond . . . You only live once, but if you work it right, once is enough. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 11:03 AM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, it's accessible. You have to boot into your Recovery HD by holding down command-r during startup. Then, start VoiceOver after about 30 seconds with command-F5. From the Utility menu, you will find an option for, Terminal. VO-space on that and type, resetpassword and hit enter. This will put you into an interface that will allow you to reset your account password. It's important to note that once you do this and restart the computer, you will be asked if you want to sync your keychain password to your account password. Be sure to do this. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfo
Re: Navigating in Mountain Lion with VO
Ok now that I am back home, I am going to tackle this again. I dont recall setting a keychain password so this part confused me today and I should not have rushed into resetting the login password. So I need to understand this. What is the keychain for, and is it the same thing as the iCloud keychain on the iPhone? One of the options I saw earlier was to create a new keychain. I take it that is what I want since I dont remember setting one before. And hopefully, once I am done with this,, I can get to work. :) Quote of the nanosecond . . . Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere. --Mae West Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 9:23 AM, John Panarese wrote: You should have gotten a dialog to sync your new password to your keychain. This is so you never have to think about unlocking your keychain. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Robert C wrote: Yes that is where I am now. Entered new password, now it wants a new keychain password. Will have to put this on hold for a while. Need coffee. :) Quote of the nanosecond . . . Wouldn't you know itBrain cells come and brain cells go, but FAT cells live forever. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 9:07 AM, John Panarese wrote: Is it the login window? You might have to enter your password or there might be a dialog telling you about your keychain password needing to reset. Do you have VoiceOver speech? Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Robert C wrote: Here is where I am now. I found Terminal and did the password reset. There was something else about ACLs I probably should have left alone. Now when the Mac boots, my user account name is on the screen and sits there.I cannot go any further. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO - what a ride!" Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 8:45 AM, John Panarese wrote: I don't think you have to click on it. I think it's chosen by default if you are the only user. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Robert C wrote: Well I am now sitting at the login screen, with my user account and I do not know how to click on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . They're g-r-r-r-eat! --Kellog's Frosted Flakes Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/15/2014 8:25 AM, John Panarese wrote: It's been a while, Robert. Sorry about that if it was the wrong info. I don't even have a Mountain Lion recovery disk I can look at either at this point to check out. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Robert C wrote: Had done that earlier nbuit went back again. I did not see a 2nd Utilities menu but when I opened the OS X Utilities and clicked the Shoiw All option, I saw a 2nd one. And there it is! But braim fried so will give it a rest for a day. Will let you know when I get that darn password reset. Quote of the nanosecond . . . If the professor on Gilligan's Island can make a radio out of a coconut, why can't he fix a hole in a boat? Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/14/2014 9:31 PM, John Panarese wrote: Try doing a VO-m when the recovery HD comes up. There should be a Utilities menu. If you go down it, you'll find, Terminal, there. Let me know if I misunderstood you though. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http
Re: program for mac for typing in braille
But where to find that demo? I looked but no luck. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all"? Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/16/2014 8:28 PM, David Tanner wrote: The free (demo) version adds characters in the output document. Of course you probably don't mind so long as it is just for personal use, but you would not want to give it to someone else. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: program for mac for typing in braille how do I get the free version? I cannot find the link. Jessica jldai...@gmail.com On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:27 PM, David tanner wrote: Actually there is a Duxberry for Mac now if that's what you're looking for. Sent from my iPod On Feb 16, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Daniel Hawkins wrote: If none answers this. The best thing I can come up right now for now is use an updated Libre and ODT2 extention. I don't have a braille display or an embosser, so I have no way to test this. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit NVDA installed Phonak Compilot On Feb 16, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Jessica wrote: hi, What is a good braille translation program for typing in braille and if necessary, translating it to print to check for errors before embossing? Will textedit work for this? If so, can someone please tell me how? Thanks, Jessica jldai...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: program for mac for typing in braille
Ok, definitely not out yet. 2009 is not the version we are interested in. The new version is now being actively worked on after DBT 11.2 was released. And of course, we are not told what the time frame is. Quote of the nanosecond . . . We always hold hands. If I let go, she shops. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/16/2014 8:28 PM, David Tanner wrote: The free (demo) version adds characters in the output document. Of course you probably don't mind so long as it is just for personal use, but you would not want to give it to someone else. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: program for mac for typing in braille how do I get the free version? I cannot find the link. Jessica jldai...@gmail.com On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:27 PM, David tanner wrote: Actually there is a Duxberry for Mac now if that's what you're looking for. Sent from my iPod On Feb 16, 2014, at 7:14 PM, Daniel Hawkins wrote: If none answers this. The best thing I can come up right now for now is use an updated Libre and ODT2 extention. I don't have a braille display or an embosser, so I have no way to test this. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro iPhone 4S, 16GB, Jailbroken IOS 7.0.4 iPad 2nd Gen, 32gb iPhone 3gs 8gb, as media player 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7, Turbo to 3.3Ghz 4GB Dual Channel DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit NVDA installed Phonak Compilot On Feb 16, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Jessica wrote: hi, What is a good braille translation program for typing in braille and if necessary, translating it to print to check for errors before embossing? Will textedit work for this? If so, can someone please tell me how? Thanks, Jessica jldai...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Is ther a way to change punctuation behavior on iDevices?
Go into Voiceover settings, Rotor, and add punctuation. None, some, or all are the choices. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Don't be irreplaceable; if you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/21/2014 3:48 AM, Mike Busboom wrote: Hi, I am using an iPhone 4S and have been doing so for a long time, relatively speaking. I have 64GB of Memory. Whenever possible, I read books on the iPhone, using the Kindle app, iBooks, Nook, Blio and Voice Dream. Since installing iOS 7 and beyond, I have noticed that when using VoiceOVEr for reading, I no longer hear a pause in speech after encountering a full-stop or, as the Americans say, a period. While I still hear slight pauses after commas, I don't hear them after periods. This makes reading long texts arduous and far less enjoyable. I also notice similar behavior from the iPhone when reading back texts I myself have generated. I have looked at VoiceOver settings and have found no way to command VO to re-introduce the pauses that used to follow after Periods. Has anyone else encountered this problem, or is something perhaps wrong with my iPhone? Would the problem be rectified if I set my unit back to its default settings? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Kindest regards to all, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: An explanation of interaction required
John, Having used Windows for many years, some of the terms used on OS X do not quite click. Could you briefly explain the following? Just to get a better picture of the elements. Thanks. Scroll areas, Tables, Groups, and Grids. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/27/2014 11:48 AM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, this is a great explanation. It also allows you to see specific parts of an interface or screen. So, instead of being overwhelmed by everything all at once, the screen is segregated so that you can interact to view specific areas and, thus, limit confusion. Scroll areas, Tables, browsers, Groups, Sliders, Toolbars and Grids are the elements that require interaction. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 27, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Interacting is like zooming in on something. If you want greater detail, you move closer to the object and examine it. This is what interaction is. Teresa "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman On Feb 27, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Chris H wrote: Can't explain but I interact with toolbars, tables and lists as well as HTML content controls. Regards Chris On 27/02/2014 09:45, Lee Jones wrote: Dear List I wondered if some kind soul could explain the concept of interaction on the mac. On podcasts you get taught how to use it but not what the underlying premise is behind it. What are the benefits of setting up a screen reader this way. I find interaction an irritation. On windows in outlook I'm immediately in the messages list I don't have to interact with the list first. To me it just feels like interaction is always another keystroke between me and where I want to get to. Many Thanks Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My Number 1 IPhone App
Since its handled by rwal live humans, its worth the cost. Too many oeople were using taptapsee for entertainment. Unless its changed, one can get 100 photos for 7.99 ulimited, meaning its good until you have used the 100. No time limit. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Living Dead Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/27/2014 5:49 PM, Jessica Moss wrote: I wish they didn't charge for it either, I love the fact that it tells you what's in a photo, but can use camfind for identifying packages and the like, so don't use it much anymore, so have only payed for 1 month's subscription, which I used 1 time, and had no idea had run out until this afternoon, so am now frustrated that I wasted that much money for it. On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: It does cost but I find it to be worth it. When you think of what it provides, the value is there for everyone. KDM On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Randy George wrote: Too bad you only get a limited amount of uses before they charge you. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: It has to be TapTapSee. It just works and besides being useful, it is fun too. KDM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My Number 1 IPhone App
So now we have 3 options for this service, that is good. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side & a dark side, and it holds the universe together. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/27/2014 6:43 PM, Yolanda wrote: You can get 50 for 4.99, it is a very reasonable service, and they are a business. On 2/27/2014 7:09 PM, Robert C wrote: Since its handled by rwal live humans, its worth the cost. Too many oeople were using taptapsee for entertainment. Unless its changed, one can get 100 photos for 7.99 ulimited, meaning its good until you have used the 100. No time limit. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Living Dead Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/27/2014 5:49 PM, Jessica Moss wrote: I wish they didn't charge for it either, I love the fact that it tells you what's in a photo, but can use camfind for identifying packages and the like, so don't use it much anymore, so have only payed for 1 month's subscription, which I used 1 time, and had no idea had run out until this afternoon, so am now frustrated that I wasted that much money for it. On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: It does cost but I find it to be worth it. When you think of what it provides, the value is there for everyone. KDM On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Randy George wrote: Too bad you only get a limited amount of uses before they charge you. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Kevin Mattingly wrote: It has to be TapTapSee. It just works and besides being useful, it is fun too. KDM -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: An explanation of interaction required
Thanks Tim. Next time I fire up the Mac I will see if I can understand the grid element. I may also run into Mac users during the enxt 2 weeks and if I do, I will sit with them and learn some things.. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I wish I had a Kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away. --Jack Handey Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/27/2014 8:53 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, A Scroll area is an area within a web-page or other screen that is scrollable. Sort of like a smaller window within another that you are able to manipulate or ignore as you wish. A Table is just that, like a spreadsheet of rows and columns within a larger element. A Group is a collection of related elements. A Grid is similar to a Table but I don't know the specific explanation of the difference. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Feb 27, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Robert C wrote: John, Having used Windows for many years, some of the terms used on OS X do not quite click. Could you briefly explain the following? Just to get a better picture of the elements. Thanks. Scroll areas, Tables, Groups, and Grids. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch. Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/27/2014 11:48 AM, John Panarese wrote: Yes, this is a great explanation. It also allows you to see specific parts of an interface or screen. So, instead of being overwhelmed by everything all at once, the screen is segregated so that you can interact to view specific areas and, thus, limit confusion. Scroll areas, Tables, browsers, Groups, Sliders, Toolbars and Grids are the elements that require interaction. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Feb 27, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Interacting is like zooming in on something. If you want greater detail, you move closer to the object and examine it. This is what interaction is. Teresa "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman On Feb 27, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Chris H wrote: Can't explain but I interact with toolbars, tables and lists as well as HTML content controls. Regards Chris On 27/02/2014 09:45, Lee Jones wrote: Dear List I wondered if some kind soul could explain the concept of interaction on the mac. On podcasts you get taught how to use it but not what the underlying premise is behind it. What are the benefits of setting up a screen reader this way. I find interaction an irritation. On windows in outlook I'm immediately in the messages list I don't have to interact with the list first. To me it just feels like interaction is always another keystroke between me and where I want to get to. Many Thanks Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
SD Card slot
On the Macbook Pro, does the SD card slide in flush or is it to stick uut a bit? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I wish I had a Kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away. --Jack Handey Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: SD Card slot
Every other device I own that uses SD cards require a push both to seat the card and to remove it. So its never been a problem gettimg those cards out. Well I wil have to be careful with this so as not to damage it when the Mac is in transit. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose." --William Shakespeare (1564-1616), The Merchant of Venice, I.iii Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 2/28/2014 1:58 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Funny, I just tried this for the first time last week and, yes, the card does stick out about 5mm or so. That makes sense as you would need a little bit to grab for pulling the thing back out when you're done. CB On 2/28/14 4:05 PM, Robert C wrote: On the Macbook Pro, does the SD card slide in flush or is it to stick uut a bit? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I wish I had a Kryptonite cross, because then you could keep both Dracula AND Superman away. --Jack Handey Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Braille Esge and Mac
Anyone using this display with the Mac? I am trying to find a curent list of commands that works in Mountain Lion. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Braille Esge and Mac
Yes I have both sources and they do not match up. What I get when I put the Edge into VO help mode also does not match. So I want to find the current information and update my list so I do not need to stop and figure out which ones work or do not work. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Your Turn Signal is not a Novelty Item. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 5:07 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi there There are two sources. The Braille Edge manual has a list of commands. The Apple has a list of commands that work in general with braille displays. There isn't any difference that I can see between the commands for Mountain Lion and Mavericks for this. Do you have the Brk Edge manual? The only difference between the general commands and those shown in the manual ara how function keys above the keyboard work with the Mac. Gigi On Mar 25, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Anyone using this display with the Mac? I am trying to find a curent list of commands that works in Mountain Lion. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Braille Esge and Mac
Yes I know, I am new to the Mac and have been trying to wrap my mind around it, having used Windows for many years. I am done with the iPhone and the Edge, made a revised list that I think is current as I tested a lot of it. But the Mac is still new and I want to save myself any unnecessary learning if I can. This is why I have not tested the commands yet (as I did with the iPhone because I have had that a year). I tested the commands from both sources in VO help mode and got more unsure I can make that revised list yet. I found a list on Macfortheblind which is also a Word file, same one? If I was more familiar with the Mac, I could try all the listed commands and see which ones do work. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Every path has a few puddles. --Old Farmer's Advice Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi Roaert I'm not talking about the Braille Edge into hebbp mode. I have on my storage card the MS Word file which has a section on using the Braille Edge with both IOS and the Mac. It has a place for Windows as well, but you could take that part out if you didn't need it. Do you have the MS Word file? To avoid confusion, it could be used by itself. Gigi On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:40 AM, Robert C wrote: Yes I have both sources and they do not match up. What I get when I put the Edge into VO help mode also does not match. So I want to find the current information and update my list so I do not need to stop and figure out which ones work or do not work. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Your Turn Signal is not a Novelty Item. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 5:07 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi there There are two sources. The Braille Edge manual has a list of commands. The Apple has a list of commands that work in general with braille displays. There isn't any difference that I can see between the commands for Mountain Lion and Mavericks for this. Do you have the Brk Edge manual? The only difference between the general commands and those shown in the manual ara how function keys above the keyboard work with the Mac. Gigi On Mar 25, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Anyone using this display with the Mac? I am trying to find a curent list of commands that works in Mountain Lion. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
login and keychain password
Some time ago, I found I had to reset my login password on the Mac and that led to having to change the keychain password. Now I am working with this again and want to know if the password for each is the same? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: login and keychain password
Tim, When I first got the Mac I dont recall settng the login password when I set the Mac up. So I reset it in Terminal. When I tried to work on this yesterday, I had 3 buttons to choose. Continue login. Create new keychain. Think the third also had to do with keychain. I have not been able to simply sit down and learn the Mac because things keep popping up in my way. So I will try again tonight. You think I should just login and reset the login again? I will try to do it and hope it works. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . They say a dog is man's best friend. I don't believe that. How many of your friends have you neutered? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 3:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, It kind of depends. If you changed your password via the Terminal or from another user, then the Login password and Keychain are likely different. If you change your password for user Bob while logged in as Bob, then the login password and keychain will match. So, the easiest method to clean up this problem is simply to change your password again while logged in as that same user. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert C wrote: Some time ago, I found I had to reset my login password on the Mac and that led to having to change the keychain password. Now I am working with this again and want to know if the password for each is the same? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: login and keychain password
Tim, Got it using the Create a New Keychain option. Now I need to change an option so I do not have to enter the login password each time I boot up. Where would I do that? Thanks again. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Congressional Oversight Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 3:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, It kind of depends. If you changed your password via the Terminal or from another user, then the Login password and Keychain are likely different. If you change your password for user Bob while logged in as Bob, then the login password and keychain will match. So, the easiest method to clean up this problem is simply to change your password again while logged in as that same user. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert C wrote: Some time ago, I found I had to reset my login password on the Mac and that led to having to change the keychain password. Now I am working with this again and want to know if the password for each is the same? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: login and keychain password
Tim, Valid points and I should consider that the Mac being a portable device, I ought to leave it in a secure state. I may have disabled VO somehow at login so if I turn it back on, logins will be easier and heck, can just leave the macnine running all day. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I am opposed to millionaires...but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. --Mark Twain Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 9:20 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, If I'm understanding correctly, you'd like your computer to go directly to your Desktop without a Login screen. That's not a recommended behaviour because if your machine is stolen or accessed by someone else, they have easy access to all your personal files. Now, if that isn't a concern to you, then do the following: * go to the Apple menu and choose System Preferences. * Select Users & Groups. * Unlock the pane by pressing on the lock near the bottom of the pane, then enter your password. * Interact with the Users, Groups & Login Options List near the top of the pane. * navigate to the last item in that list, it should be Login Options. * Stop Interacting with the list then navigate right to the Automatic Login pop-up. * select which user you want to automatically login to on startup. * close System Prefs. That should do it. A few things to note though. If you have iCloud keychain turned on, this is definitely a bad idea as your saved passwords and such are more easily accessed by anyone who gains access to your machine. If you don't use that feature, then it's not such a big deal other than what I mentioned earlier. If the Automatic login pop-up is dimmed, then you did not unlock the pane yet. If this is the way you wish to have your computer configured, make sure that you still have a password set so that your Mac, at least, requires that Admin password for installations or modifications to the system. It will need to be a password that is easy for you to remember since you're not needing to enter it very often. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Tim, Got it using the Create a New Keychain option. Now I need to change an option so I do not have to enter the login password each time I boot up. Where would I do that? Thanks again. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Congressional Oversight Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 3:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, It kind of depends. If you changed your password via the Terminal or from another user, then the Login password and Keychain are likely different. If you change your password for user Bob while logged in as Bob, then the login password and keychain will match. So, the easiest method to clean up this problem is simply to change your password again while logged in as that same user. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert C wrote: Some time ago, I found I had to reset my login password on the Mac and that led to having to change the keychain password. Now I am working with this again and want to know if the password for each is the same? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: best batteries for Apple bluetooth keyboard...
Rechargeable batteries are best in applications where you would have to replace alkallines often. In this case, the keyboard is a low power device so alkalines are the best choice. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people. --Doris Egan, House M.D., The Right Stuff, 2007 Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/27/2014 11:14 AM, Mike Busboom wrote: Hi. I am using Alkaline batteries and have been for four months now. Recently, I took them out of the keyboard, just to find out how well charged they were, and according to my battery tester, they were still very, very full. While I can't know for sure, I can't help but wonder if rechargeable batteries wouldn't discharge before the keyboard had a chance to run them down. If Apple makes rechargeable batteries for this keyboard, then they probably thought of this. Nevertheless, alkaline batteries are pretty cheap, and I can't complain about their lifespan thus far. Mike On 26,Mar,2014, at 6:03 PM, Cameron Strife wrote: Hi. I'm wondering if people get longer life using the Apple bluetooth keyboard with standard alkaline batteries, or, with rechargeable ones. Also, bargain basement brands vs the big name batteries? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Cameron. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 10.6 to 10.9 for accessibility advantages? (was Hotspots in popup windows?)
Exactly why I am not upgraidng from Mountain Lion to Mavericks as I too am just starting to learn to use the Mac. It makes no sense to change something in midstream. There is no need to confuse new Mac users is there? Time enough later on when the user has acquired decent skills with the OS currently in use. Quote of the nanosecond . . . We are not anticipating any emergencies. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/28/2014 11:07 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: I always think it's better to learn on the latest OS as that's what will be on any new Mac. Things have changed quite a lot since Snow Leopard and the new Pages is very different from the old version. VO commands have changed and there are more of them. I can't remember whether Quick Nav existed back then, but it has also evolved since its beginnings. Language support has improved out of all recognition which is something I really appreciate as I use two languages all the time. I'm sure that Activities weren't in Snow Leopard, either. Cheers, Anne On 28 Mar 2014, at 18:56, Alex Hall wrote: I know. Unfortunately, it is a school Macbook, and even if it supports 10.9, the upgrade is controlled by the school. I could tell the TVI to suggest an upgrade, but the student is low-vision and only just getting used to using Voiceover. I'd hate to change the interface she is just starting to become familiar with and have her move backward. She will never need to be a VO power user; she uses it more as a crutch when print is too small or she loses the mouse. She could be more efficient with it than she can with the vision she has, but making her see that isn't my job. :D So unless there are big advantages to upgrading in terms of low vision/VO (and there may well be - I only really started using a Mac with 10.8) upgrading might hurt at this point. Then again, it might be a great idea which should really help, I really don't know. Any thoughts on this? On Mar 28, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Why is the student using 10.6.8? Snow Leopard really is going back a bit in terms of accessibility. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
Don and Alex, There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement. I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Earth is the insane asylum for the universe. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote: Thanks Alex. What I am doing is in mail I use the classic view and have filters set up for several mailboxes. So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump to the list of actual messages. Hope that clarifies. Don - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is "jump to linked item". I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to check. On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop wrote: Hi, I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac. There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the vo j command. Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is the key combination? Thanks, Don -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
Alex, Yes I can do that, map keys but its too soon on the Mac experience yet. Why I am so fouused on a good list tho is that I am too new to the Mac and dont want to stumble around. When you say to go to display settings and look at the table, this is on the Mac? That might be just what I want. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . There are three kinds of people in the world, those who can count, and those who can't. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 8:32 PM, Alex Hall wrote: You can re-assign the keys on any braille display for the Mac. The best way to figure things out is to toss out the Hims command list, except for special scroll key commands, and go off what the Mac says. Open up your display settings, go to "assign commands", and look at the table; those are the mappings your Edge will use. As to the vo-j, yes, that's the command I mean. VoiceOver calls it "jump to linked item", and if memory serves, it's in the Nvigation menu when you are choosing the command. On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Robert C wrote: Don and Alex, There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement. I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Earth is the insane asylum for the universe. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote: Thanks Alex. What I am doing is in mail I use the classic view and have filters set up for several mailboxes. So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump to the list of actual messages. Hope that clarifies. Don - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is "jump to linked item". I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to check. On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop wrote: Hi, I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac. There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the vo j command. Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is the key combination? Thanks, Don -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
Don, More confusing than it should be! LOL Here is what I have. Both links are from Apple. This one is the list of HIMS specific commands. <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5529> This one is the common iOS commands and applies to the Mac as well as the iPhone. But, its old, from 2012. Alex has a good idea if I understand him correctly. That is, to go into display settings on the Mac and look at the mapping table. Too late for me to try tonight but I wonder if this list can be saved to a file. Anyway, we are getting there. <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4400?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US> Quote of the nanosecond . . . The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw. --Jack Handey Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 9:14 PM, don bishop wrote: Thanks Robert and Alex, The jump to linked item is what I was looking for. Robert, I couldn't agree with you more regarding the command lists. The whole thing is very confusing. Most lists I've seen talk about the "most commonly used commands", but I want a list of each and every available command. Oh well, mayhbe someday. Don On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Robert C wrote: Don and Alex, There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement. I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Earth is the insane asylum for the universe. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote: Thanks Alex. What I am doing is in mail I use the classic view and have filters set up for several mailboxes. So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump to the list of actual messages. Hope that clarifies. Don - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is "jump to linked item". I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to check. On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop wrote: Hi, I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac. There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the vo j command. Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is the key combination? Thanks, Don -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
Gigi, You said you copied the commands list from the Braille Edge manual. That I have. Quote of the nanosecond . . . No regrets. Remember the past, learn from it, and move on. Those who live in the past ignore the possibilities of the future. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/30/2014 6:50 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Yes, I have put together a file. As far as I know, there has not been changes of these braille commands. Robert, I thought you said you didn't need this file. All of y'all that want it, please contact me off list, and when I get my work project done, which is a rush job, I will send it to y'all. I made a text file. I should finish this project by tomorrow, so I think I can send it out some time tomorrow or Tuesday. Gigi On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:33 PM, Robert C wrote: Don, More confusing than it should be! LOL Here is what I have. Both links are from Apple. This one is the list of HIMS specific commands. <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5529> This one is the common iOS commands and applies to the Mac as well as the iPhone. But, its old, from 2012. Alex has a good idea if I understand him correctly. That is, to go into display settings on the Mac and look at the mapping table. Too late for me to try tonight but I wonder if this list can be saved to a file. Anyway, we are getting there. <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4400?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US> Quote of the nanosecond . . . The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw. --Jack Handey Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 9:14 PM, don bishop wrote: Thanks Robert and Alex, The jump to linked item is what I was looking for. Robert, I couldn't agree with you more regarding the command lists. The whole thing is very confusing. Most lists I've seen talk about the "most commonly used commands", but I want a list of each and every available command. Oh well, mayhbe someday. Don On Mar 29, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Robert C wrote: Don and Alex, There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement. I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Earth is the insane asylum for the universe. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote: Thanks Alex. What I am doing is in mail I use the classic view and have filters set up for several mailboxes. So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump to the list of actual messages. Hope that clarifies. Don - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is "jump to linked item". I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to check. On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop wrote: Hi, I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac. There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the vo j command. Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is the key combination? Thanks, Don -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macv
Re: login and keychain password
Ok got VO speaking at login, opted to keep system safe. But I think I changed an option I did not need to. I hear 'noname' now. Before I mess anything else up, which option was that so I can put that right? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. --Steven Wright Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/27/2014 5:59 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, The VO at login option is in the Login Options area within the Users & Groups pane of System Preferences as well. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Robert C wrote: Tim, Valid points and I should consider that the Mac being a portable device, I ought to leave it in a secure state. I may have disabled VO somehow at login so if I turn it back on, logins will be easier and heck, can just leave the macnine running all day. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I am opposed to millionaires...but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. --Mark Twain Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 9:20 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, If I'm understanding correctly, you'd like your computer to go directly to your Desktop without a Login screen. That's not a recommended behaviour because if your machine is stolen or accessed by someone else, they have easy access to all your personal files. Now, if that isn't a concern to you, then do the following: * go to the Apple menu and choose System Preferences. * Select Users & Groups. * Unlock the pane by pressing on the lock near the bottom of the pane, then enter your password. * Interact with the Users, Groups & Login Options List near the top of the pane. * navigate to the last item in that list, it should be Login Options. * Stop Interacting with the list then navigate right to the Automatic Login pop-up. * select which user you want to automatically login to on startup. * close System Prefs. That should do it. A few things to note though. If you have iCloud keychain turned on, this is definitely a bad idea as your saved passwords and such are more easily accessed by anyone who gains access to your machine. If you don't use that feature, then it's not such a big deal other than what I mentioned earlier. If the Automatic login pop-up is dimmed, then you did not unlock the pane yet. If this is the way you wish to have your computer configured, make sure that you still have a password set so that your Mac, at least, requires that Admin password for installations or modifications to the system. It will need to be a password that is easy for you to remember since you're not needing to enter it very often. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Tim, Got it using the Create a New Keychain option. Now I need to change an option so I do not have to enter the login password each time I boot up. Where would I do that? Thanks again. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Congressional Oversight Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 3:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, It kind of depends. If you changed your password via the Terminal or from another user, then the Login password and Keychain are likely different. If you change your password for user Bob while logged in as Bob, then the login password and keychain will match. So, the easiest method to clean up this problem is simply to change your password again while logged in as that same user. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert C wrote: Some time ago, I found I had to reset my login password on the Mac and that led to having to change the keychain password. Now I am working with this again and want to know if the password for each is the same? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more option
Re: login and keychain password
Think I fixed this. It was after logging in I would hear 'noname volume'. Not too sure now what I did. But now when I log in, I have to type my name and then password where before it was just the password. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? --Groucho Marx Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/30/2014 5:40 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, When do you hear the "no name"? After you login or when the login screen appears? If it's after you login, then VO is likely just telling you what has VO focus the after login process has completed. This could be a thumb drive sort of thing that you have plugged in the USB port. If that's not the case, I'll see what I can figure out after your answers to my questions. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 30, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Robert C wrote: Ok got VO speaking at login, opted to keep system safe. But I think I changed an option I did not need to. I hear 'noname' now. Before I mess anything else up, which option was that so I can put that right? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. --Steven Wright Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/27/2014 5:59 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, The VO at login option is in the Login Options area within the Users & Groups pane of System Preferences as well. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Robert C wrote: Tim, Valid points and I should consider that the Mac being a portable device, I ought to leave it in a secure state. I may have disabled VO somehow at login so if I turn it back on, logins will be easier and heck, can just leave the macnine running all day. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I am opposed to millionaires...but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. --Mark Twain Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 9:20 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, If I'm understanding correctly, you'd like your computer to go directly to your Desktop without a Login screen. That's not a recommended behaviour because if your machine is stolen or accessed by someone else, they have easy access to all your personal files. Now, if that isn't a concern to you, then do the following: * go to the Apple menu and choose System Preferences. * Select Users & Groups. * Unlock the pane by pressing on the lock near the bottom of the pane, then enter your password. * Interact with the Users, Groups & Login Options List near the top of the pane. * navigate to the last item in that list, it should be Login Options. * Stop Interacting with the list then navigate right to the Automatic Login pop-up. * select which user you want to automatically login to on startup. * close System Prefs. That should do it. A few things to note though. If you have iCloud keychain turned on, this is definitely a bad idea as your saved passwords and such are more easily accessed by anyone who gains access to your machine. If you don't use that feature, then it's not such a big deal other than what I mentioned earlier. If the Automatic login pop-up is dimmed, then you did not unlock the pane yet. If this is the way you wish to have your computer configured, make sure that you still have a password set so that your Mac, at least, requires that Admin password for installations or modifications to the system. It will need to be a password that is easy for you to remember since you're not needing to enter it very often. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Robert C wrote: Tim, Got it using the Create a New Keychain option. Now I need to change an option so I do not have to enter the login password each time I boot up. Where would I do that? Thanks again. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: Congressional Oversight Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 3:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, It kind of depends. If you changed your password via the Terminal or from another user, then the Login password and Keychain are likely different. If you change your password for user Bob while logged in as Bob, then the login password and keychain will match. So, the easiest method to clean up this problem is simply to change your password again while logged in as that same user. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Robert C wrote: Some time ago, I found I had to reset my login password on the Mac and that led to having to change the keychain password. Now I am working with this again and want to know if the password for each is the same? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Learn from yesterday, live for
Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
Alex, Found it. Is there a way to print this list to a file? Quote of the nanosecond . . . You know it is going to be a bad day when you forget your new password. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 10:00 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Sorry I wasn't clearer. Hit VO-f8 to open the Voiceover Utility. Arrow down to Braille, vo-right to the displays tab, and hit space. Find the table of displays, and arrow to the Edge, then vo-right to the "Assign Commands" button. That opens a window with the full list of commands and their braille keys, plus instructions on how to change an assignment if you want to. On Mar 30, 2014, at 12:20 AM, Robert C wrote: Alex, Yes I can do that, map keys but its too soon on the Mac experience yet. Why I am so fouused on a good list tho is that I am too new to the Mac and dont want to stumble around. When you say to go to display settings and look at the table, this is on the Mac? That might be just what I want. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . There are three kinds of people in the world, those who can count, and those who can't. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 8:32 PM, Alex Hall wrote: You can re-assign the keys on any braille display for the Mac. The best way to figure things out is to toss out the Hims command list, except for special scroll key commands, and go off what the Mac says. Open up your display settings, go to "assign commands", and look at the table; those are the mappings your Edge will use. As to the vo-j, yes, that's the command I mean. VoiceOver calls it "jump to linked item", and if memory serves, it's in the Nvigation menu when you are choosing the command. On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Robert C wrote: Don and Alex, There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement. I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Earth is the insane asylum for the universe. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote: Thanks Alex. What I am doing is in mail I use the classic view and have filters set up for several mailboxes. So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump to the list of actual messages. Hope that clarifies. Don - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is "jump to linked item". I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to check. On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop wrote: Hi, I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac. There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the vo j command. Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is the key combination? Thanks, Don -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubs
Re: login and keychain password
Tim, I know I saw the Display name option somewhere and am certain my full name is there. Here is what I have so far. In the display login window part are 2 radio buttons, one for 'list all users' and one for 'name and password'. If the first one is selected. I have to navigate to my account and then only have to type in the password. If the other option is selected, I have to type in both name and password. I will leave this the way it is for now. Gotta get to work on other things in the Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A successful marriage isn't finding the right person-it's being the right person. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/30/2014 9:38 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, In the Users & Groups pane of System Preferences, you may have accidentally deleted the text for your Display name. Your "Short Name" cannot be removed, so the account remains OK. You can fix this by going into the Users & Groups pane again, clicking the lock at the bottom of the pane and entering your password to unlock this pane, then you should be able to navigate around and find the field for the text of your Name. What you've done by changing the format to actually require typing of both your name and password will do the trick but you may wish to fix the Display name as well. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 30, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Robert C wrote: Think I fixed this. It was after logging in I would hear 'noname volume'. Not too sure now what I did. But now when I log in, I have to type my name and then password where before it was just the password. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? --Groucho Marx Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/30/2014 5:40 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, When do you hear the "no name"? After you login or when the login screen appears? If it's after you login, then VO is likely just telling you what has VO focus the after login process has completed. This could be a thumb drive sort of thing that you have plugged in the USB port. If that's not the case, I'll see what I can figure out after your answers to my questions. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 30, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Robert C wrote: Ok got VO speaking at login, opted to keep system safe. But I think I changed an option I did not need to. I hear 'noname' now. Before I mess anything else up, which option was that so I can put that right? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. --Steven Wright Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/27/2014 5:59 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, The VO at login option is in the Login Options area within the Users & Groups pane of System Preferences as well. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Robert C wrote: Tim, Valid points and I should consider that the Mac being a portable device, I ought to leave it in a secure state. I may have disabled VO somehow at login so if I turn it back on, logins will be easier and heck, can just leave the macnine running all day. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I am opposed to millionaires...but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. --Mark Twain Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/26/2014 9:20 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, If I'm understanding correctly, you'd like your computer to go directly to your Desktop without a Login screen. That's not a recommended behaviour because if your machine is stolen or accessed by someone else, they have easy access to all your personal files. Now, if that isn't a concern to you, then do the following: * go to the Apple menu and choose System Preferences. * Select Users & Groups. * Unlock the pane by pressing on the lock near the bottom of the pane, then enter your password. * Interact with the Users, Groups & Login Options List near the top of the pane. * navigate to the last item in that list, it should be Login Options. * Stop Interacting with the list then navigate right to the Automatic Login pop-up. * select which user you want to automatically login to on startup. * close System Prefs. That should do it. A few things to note though. If you have iCloud keychain turned on, this is definitely a bad idea as your saved passwords and such are more easily accessed by anyone who gains access to your machine. If you don't use that feature, then it's not such a big deal other than what I mentioned earlier. If the Automatic login pop-up is dimmed, then you did not unlock the pane yet. If this is the way you wish to have your computer configured, make sure that you still have a pass
Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac
Alex, I will see if I can find that file. I need to work with Finder and get familiar with it so this might be a good place to start. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A successful marriage isn't finding the right person-it's being the right person. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/30/2014 8:00 PM, Alex Hall wrote: I don't think so. That said, I'm sure it is in a .plist file somewhere; Google might be able to help you there more than I could. On Mar 30, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Robert C wrote: Alex, Found it. Is there a way to print this list to a file? Quote of the nanosecond . . . You know it is going to be a bad day when you forget your new password. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 10:00 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Sorry I wasn't clearer. Hit VO-f8 to open the Voiceover Utility. Arrow down to Braille, vo-right to the displays tab, and hit space. Find the table of displays, and arrow to the Edge, then vo-right to the "Assign Commands" button. That opens a window with the full list of commands and their braille keys, plus instructions on how to change an assignment if you want to. On Mar 30, 2014, at 12:20 AM, Robert C wrote: Alex, Yes I can do that, map keys but its too soon on the Mac experience yet. Why I am so fouused on a good list tho is that I am too new to the Mac and dont want to stumble around. When you say to go to display settings and look at the table, this is on the Mac? That might be just what I want. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . There are three kinds of people in the world, those who can count, and those who can't. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 8:32 PM, Alex Hall wrote: You can re-assign the keys on any braille display for the Mac. The best way to figure things out is to toss out the Hims command list, except for special scroll key commands, and go off what the Mac says. Open up your display settings, go to "assign commands", and look at the table; those are the mappings your Edge will use. As to the vo-j, yes, that's the command I mean. VoiceOver calls it "jump to linked item", and if memory serves, it's in the Nvigation menu when you are choosing the command. On Mar 29, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Robert C wrote: Don and Alex, There has to be an updated list somewhere but it looks to be invisible. HIMS' and Apple's have lists but they do not agree with each other and when the Edge is in VO help mode, that too is not in agreement. I got the iPhone list sorted out but not the Mac. Wish HIMS would get on it. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Earth is the insane asylum for the universe. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 3/29/2014 7:51 PM, don bishop wrote: Thanks Alex. What I am doing is in mail I use the classic view and have filters set up for several mailboxes. So, I arrow down the list of mailboxes and when I come across one containing messages I hit vo j to jump to the list of actual messages. Hope that clarifies. Don - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:46 pm Subject: Re: jump to window with braille edge and mac I haven't looked in the menus, so it might not be there. Based on your subject, though, you might be looking for the wrong thing. The command you want to assign is "jump to linked item". I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but don't have a display right here to check. On Mar 29, 2014, at 10:14 PM, don bishop wrote: Hi, I have a braille edge 40 which I use as a display and input device with my imac. There are commands to do a lot of things, but I can't find an equivalent to the vo j command. Does anyone know if this command is supported and if so what is the key combination? Thanks, Don -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Navigating screen savers
How does one navigate in the screen savers area of System Preferences? I cannot seem to select the saver I want to use. I see the list of them, in a cell. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Got milk? --California Milk Processor Board Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Navigating screen savers
I wish it was that simple. But its a steep learning curve. It turned out I had the desired screen saver selected. I had to change the settings in Energy Saver to allow my screen saver to kick in. Quote of the nanosecond . . . On the other hand, you have different fingers. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/5/2014 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, When you Interact with the Grid, navigate through it until you find the ScreenSaver you desire, then Stop Interacting with the Grid and it's selected. Simple as that. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Robert C wrote: How does one navigate in the screen savers area of System Preferences? I cannot seem to select the saver I want to use. I see the list of them, in a cell. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Got milk? --California Milk Processor Board Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Navigating screen savers
Its ok. It occurred to me that the machine was going to sleep first so I looked around and found the Energy Saver was the place to look. Am slowly getting used to the navigation in OS X. Spent too many years in Windows so its slow getting there. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar." --Drew Carey Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/5/2014 11:16 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Ahh... I guess I didn't read beyond your initial question. Sorry. Selecting the Screensaver is as I mentioned, but making sure that your machine doesn't sleep before the Screensaver kicks in is an additional consideration. You're right, that would be in the Energy Saver pane. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 5, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Robert C wrote: I wish it was that simple. But its a steep learning curve. It turned out I had the desired screen saver selected. I had to change the settings in Energy Saver to allow my screen saver to kick in. Quote of the nanosecond . . . On the other hand, you have different fingers. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/5/2014 10:00 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, When you Interact with the Grid, navigate through it until you find the ScreenSaver you desire, then Stop Interacting with the Grid and it's selected. Simple as that. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Robert C wrote: How does one navigate in the screen savers area of System Preferences? I cannot seem to select the saver I want to use. I see the list of them, in a cell. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Got milk? --California Milk Processor Board Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Adding Random Quotes
In Mail on the Mac (Mountain Lion), is there a way or an app for adding random quotes to a sig when sending emails? Quote of the nanosecond . . . The meek shall inherit the Earth; the rest of us will colonize the galaxy. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Sanning Apps
Getting my Mac set up and installing programs. One is Abbyy Finereader. Will I also need another app to assist with scanning documents on the Epson WF 3540? I have not done much scanning in Windows but likely will do more of it with the Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Neither the Army nor the Navy is of any protection, or very little protection, against aerial raids. --Alexander Graham Bell Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Sanning Apps
Anne, Good, that saves me adding what I do not need. The Express version had just been dropped so I ended up with the Pro version. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Bumper Sticker: Watch out for the idiot behind me! Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/9/2014 11:03 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Robert, If you have FineReader Pro, you don't need another app for scanning. Cheers, Anne On 10 Apr 2014, at 03:14, Robert C wrote: Getting my Mac set up and installing programs. One is Abbyy Finereader. Will I also need another app to assist with scanning documents on the Epson WF 3540? I have not done much scanning in Windows but likely will do more of it with the Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Neither the Army nor the Navy is of any protection, or very little protection, against aerial raids. --Alexander Graham Bell Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Improvement with Adobe Flash 13 installer
Incorrect, Flash Player 13 is not beta. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. --Dr. Seuss Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/11/2014 7:06 AM, Jessica wrote: flash player 13 is only in beta at this point. I don't think beta releases should be downloaded by the public. Jessica jldai...@gmail.com On Apr 11, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Daniel Hawkins wrote: Successfully installed mine! I was a bit confused a bit since I had a popup for a update, that was not accessible. Just do a google search for Adobe Flash 13 and you will be directed to a site, there you pick what operating system and then click download. Then you go to Finder and go to downloads, you will find Adobe Flash there. open that and follow the directions. You will need to quit Safari to let the install complete. Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro On Apr 10, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote: Is the Adobe 13 new? Where do I go to download if it is, and where do I find the disk image? Had a difficult time with this a few days ago. Thanks for any detailed help with this. reggie and Allegra On Apr 10, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: It downloads an installer that is contained in a disc image. You open the disc image, find the install app, and open that. It opens in an HtML window. HtH, Teresa Visualize whirled peas. On Apr 10, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Daniel Hawkins wrote: Really? How did you install it? I am still stuck, I am about to have someone to do it for me. Thanks! Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro On Apr 10, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: I'm pleased to note that the new installer for Adobe Flash is HTML based and much easier to use. HtH, teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Finder copy and paste functions
When in Finder, how does one carry out copy and paste functions? I want to copy some files and folders from an external drive to the desktop. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . LEFTBANK: What the robber did when his bag was full of money Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Finder copy and paste functions
Ahhh command, not VO. Got it now, thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . You can't have everythingwhere would you put it? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/14/2014 10:31 AM, isaac wrote: When on the file in the external press command c and then go to the finder and then press command v to paste. On Apr 14, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Robert C wrote: When in Finder, how does one carry out copy and paste functions? I want to copy some files and folders from an external drive to the desktop. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . LEFTBANK: What the robber did when his bag was full of money Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Finder copy and paste functions
Alex thanks for that, I will take a lcoser look at this. I know Finder is going to be worth getting to know better. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Rain, rain go away; come again some other day. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/14/2014 10:47 AM, Alex Hall wrote: You might want to look at a guide to Finder I posted to Applevis: http://www.applevis.com/guides/mac-os-x/getting-started-os-x-finder That will explain cutting versus copying (it's different than Windows), the ways to select items, and so on. On Apr 14, 2014, at 1:31 PM, isaac wrote: When on the file in the external press command c and then go to the finder and then press command v to paste. On Apr 14, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Robert C wrote: When in Finder, how does one carry out copy and paste functions? I want to copy some files and folders from an external drive to the desktop. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . LEFTBANK: What the robber did when his bag was full of money Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Importing Vcards into Mac Contacts
I am trying to import some vCard files into Mac Contacts. When I click the Import option on the file menu then locate the folder that contains the Vcards, at that point I am not sure what the next steps are. Any help would be wonderful. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Importing Vcards into Mac Contacts
Hi Kevin, Thanks, I see how that works. But how to select all the cards at one time? Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do we want intelligent terminals when there are so many stupid users? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/15/2014 5:07 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote: I just did this today. Navigate to the cards in Finer. Highlight the cards you want to import. I right-clicked and and chose Open With> Contacts. I was prompted to import the cards and hit return for the default. Now the Vcards are in my contacts. Hope this helps, Kevin On 2014-04-15, at 4:18 PM, Robert C wrote: I am trying to import some vCard files into Mac Contacts. When I click the Import option on the file menu then locate the folder that contains the Vcards, at that point I am not sure what the next steps are. Any help would be wonderful. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Importing Vcards into Mac Contacts
Kevin, Thanks, That did it. Whew. Appreciate the help. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Proselytizing is more a passionate search for something not yet found than a desire to bestow upon the world something we already have. It is a search for a final and irrefutable demonstration that our absolute truth is indeed the one and only truth. The proselytizing fanatic strengthens his own faith by converting others. --Eric Hoffer Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/15/2014 7:35 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote: Hold down shift with the appropriate arrow keys to select files contiguously. For non-contiguous files, interact with the list view, select the first item and move down with VO down arrow. Press VO-command space on the files you want. YOu'll hear the file name and number of items selected. As a tip, I lock my VO keys while moving through and selecting multiple non-contiguous files. Just remember to unlock them once you have the last one. Cheers, Kevin On 2014-04-15, at 9:48 PM, Robert C wrote: Hi Kevin, Thanks, I see how that works. But how to select all the cards at one time? Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do we want intelligent terminals when there are so many stupid users? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/15/2014 5:07 PM, Kevin Shaw wrote: I just did this today. Navigate to the cards in Finer. Highlight the cards you want to import. I right-clicked and and chose Open With> Contacts. I was prompted to import the cards and hit return for the default. Now the Vcards are in my contacts. Hope this helps, Kevin On 2014-04-15, at 4:18 PM, Robert C wrote: I am trying to import some vCard files into Mac Contacts. When I click the Import option on the file menu then locate the folder that contains the Vcards, at that point I am not sure what the next steps are. Any help would be wonderful. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Status Menus Are Gone
Funny this comes up today for I just ran into the same issue except I could not bring up the menu bar and control f3 did not work. Had to restart the Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Be lions roaring through the forests of knowledge." --Bahá'à Scriptures Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/16/2014 11:18 AM, Jane wrote: I can't seem to get to my Status menu things at all. VO-m twice doesn't work. None of the trackpad commands seem to work. I guess it is there, somewhere, but I can't access it. Do any of you have ideas? Jane -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Status Menus Are Gone
Oh controil f8 not f3. Well the restart did work so am ok now. Had some training today and we did a lot of things so perhaps the Mac got bored and confused. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A man who uses a great many words to express his meaning is like a bad marksman who, instead of aiming a single stone at an object, takes up a handful and throws at it in hopes he may hit. --Samuel Johnson, lexicographer (1709-1784) Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/16/2014 3:00 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, I would just suggest either cycling VO off then on or restarting your Mac. This is not normal behaviour so, something has become confused. The cycling off/on of VO may do the trick but the restart is best and if that doesn't fix it, then post again. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 16, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Robert C wrote: Funny this comes up today for I just ran into the same issue except I could not bring up the menu bar and control f3 did not work. Had to restart the Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Be lions roaring through the forests of knowledge." --Bahá'à Scriptures Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/16/2014 11:18 AM, Jane wrote: I can't seem to get to my Status menu things at all. VO-m twice doesn't work. None of the trackpad commands seem to work. I guess it is there, somewhere, but I can't access it. Do any of you have ideas? Jane -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Setting up email accounts
I am now creating my email accounts. Right now I am in the window where the information is added. Couple things. One, Voiceover is not speaking my key presses. Two, I am unable to type in the incoming server information. I did enter the email address and selected IMAP. What is stopping me? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?" -- Mark Twain Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Setting up Messages
In OS X ML, I want to set up Messages. It wants an email address and password. Is this an existing password or am I creating a new account here? I already entered my Apple ID and the email address I entered is tied to the Apple ID. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." --H. G. Wells (1866-1946) Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Setting up Messages
I thought it wanted new information but its happy now and I have Messages set up. Probably entered the password wrong and did not know it. My to do list is getting shorter! :) Quote of the nanosecond . . . I was in the grocery store. I saw a sign that said "pet supplies". So I did. Then I went outside and saw a sign that said "compact cars". Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/17/2014 10:20 AM, Alex Hall wrote: It wants your Apple ID email and password. I thought it would grab them automatically, but if it didn't enter them and it should work. On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Robert C wrote: In OS X ML, I want to set up Messages. It wants an email address and password. Is this an existing password or am I creating a new account here? I already entered my Apple ID and the email address I entered is tied to the Apple ID. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." --H. G. Wells (1866-1946) Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Support for instant messaging in Messages
I see that this is availble to use thru Messages. I do not use this kind of service much but wish to connect to a Google Tak chat friend. Is it accessible? If not, there is Adium which I have not set up yet. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why are there 5 syllables in the word "monosyllabic?" Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Anne, This is an old message but of interest. Specifically, the cursor tracking when in a chat environment. If tracking is off, keyboard fozus is on the edit field, and VO is on the text the other person types, do you hear both spoken or do you need to use commands? This is new to me and I wish to try a chat soon with a friend. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/24/2014 11:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Lee, The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text will start if you begin typing. The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you can change its size in the VoiceOver utility. Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so that VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you want to be able to read what the other person has written without moving the insertion point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor tracking off. In general, we don't need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some operations require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you can bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don't have the mouse cursor tied to the other cursors already. I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it can cause some irritating jumping around. Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the letter keys on the righthand side of the keyboard. In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with no delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver cursor can't reach. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones wrote: Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Support for instant messaging in Messages
Alex, Thanks. I will set it up and try it very soon. If I dont need another app to do what the native apps already on the Mac can do, the better. Quote of the nanosecond . . . 2 rules to success in life. 1. Don't tell people everything you know. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/17/2014 11:04 AM, Alex Hall wrote: I believe so. Open Preferences in Messages, go to the Accounts tab, and add an account. VO-left to the popup button and choose the server type, then fill in the rest of the information. On Apr 17, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Robert C wrote: I see that this is availble to use thru Messages. I do not use this kind of service much but wish to connect to a Google Tak chat friend. Is it accessible? If not, there is Adium which I have not set up yet. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why are there 5 syllables in the word "monosyllabic?" Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Keyboard Focus / Voice Over Cursor / Mouse Pointer
Anne, I dont use Skype but imagine this works in any instant messaging as well. What I hear while typing is controlled by the verbosity settings? Here is what I would like to know. What are the steps to follow when I want to start a chat? Not how to initiate one but how to deal with the keyboard and VP focus. Once I have done this a time or two I should be ok. Until now, I have only disabled tracking when installing some apps. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Laws change more slowly than custom, and though dangerous when they fall behind the times are more dangerous still when they presume to anticipate custom." --Marguerite Yourcenar (1903 - 1987) Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/17/2014 10:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Robert, What you hear when typing depends on how you have your keyboard echo set. What your correspondent has written can be read automatically in Skype if you have Growl installed, otherwise you need to navigate to it. Cheers, Anne On 17 Apr 2014, at 20:23, Robert C wrote: Anne, This is an old message but of interest. Specifically, the cursor tracking when in a chat environment. If tracking is off, keyboard fozus is on the edit field, and VO is on the text the other person types, do you hear both spoken or do you need to use commands? This is new to me and I wish to try a chat soon with a friend. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Politicians and diapers have one thing in common. They should both be changed regularly and for the same reason. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/24/2014 11:32 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Lee, The keyboard focus is the position of the insertion point, which is shown on the screen as a tiny line between two characters. This is where your text will start if you begin typing. The VoiceOver cursor is shown as a box around an area on the screen and you can change its size in the VoiceOver utility. Normally the keyboard focus and the VoiceOver cursor are tied together so that VoiceOver tells you where you can enter information, but in a chat, you want to be able to read what the other person has written without moving the insertion point from the field where you type your reply, so you turn cursor tracking off. In general, we don't need to worry about the mouse cursor, but some operations require the mouse to be on a specific element, in which case, you can bring the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO-Cmd-F5 if you don't have the mouse cursor tied to the other cursors already. I prefer not to have my mouse cursor tied to the other cursors as I find it can cause some irritating jumping around. Mouse keys allows you to pilot the mouse using either the numpad or the letter keys on the righthand side of the keyboard. In VoiceOver utility, you can tell VO to speak the text under the mouse with no delay so that you can hear where your mouse pointer is. Moving the mouse pointer in this way can make some elements accessible which the VoiceOver cursor can't reach. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jan 2014, at 02:40, Lee Jones wrote: Dear List I don't understand the difference between keyboard focus and voice over cursor. What can you do with one that you can't do withthe the other? Do people find mouse keys useful? There are shortcuts for mouse up mouse down, double click etc but I am not sure what they would be used for. In setttings is it best to have keyboard focus vo cursor and mouse pointer following each other or moving separately? I am running mavericks. Many Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Shortcut to Login?
Is there a shortcut to login on the Mac?Its not runnuign at tyhe momenbt so let me explain. When I first turn the Mac on, its in a window and I have to move past 3 or 4 items (I dont recall what those items are at the moment) before I get to my login account and sign in. If that was clear, then I want to know if I can change a setting somewhere so I land directly on that sign in. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." --Abraham Maslow (1908-1970) Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Shortcut to Login?
Hmmm. I tried that option before and it requires typing in two things not just my password so I went back to the other option. I am the only user on this Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all"? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/18/2014 3:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi! Ok open users and groups in system pref's and in the table of choices pick log in items! One of the options is to use name and password as log in screen! HTH Colin On 18 Apr 2014, at 23:14, Robert C wrote: Is there a shortcut to login on the Mac?Its not runnuign at tyhe momenbt so let me explain. When I first turn the Mac on, its in a window and I have to move past 3 or 4 items (I dont recall what those items are at the moment) before I get to my login account and sign in. If that was clear, then I want to know if I can change a setting somewhere so I land directly on that sign in. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." --Abraham Maslow (1908-1970) Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Shortcut to Login?
Tim, I must not have the auto fill option set, can you tell me where that is? This should do it for me. Thanks again. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Believing in rebirth is the same as admitting defeat. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/19/2014 6:58 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, You can usually just enter the first few letters of the username that appears in the Login screen then press return. It will then ask for your password and you're in. So, even if you had, for example, Tim, Robert and Barb as users on your Mac, when the login screen was active, you could just enter "r o", press return then your password and you'd be in. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 18, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Robert C wrote: Hmmm. I tried that option before and it requires typing in two things not just my password so I went back to the other option. I am the only user on this Mac. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all"? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/18/2014 3:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi! Ok open users and groups in system pref's and in the table of choices pick log in items! One of the options is to use name and password as log in screen! HTH Colin On 18 Apr 2014, at 23:14, Robert C wrote: Is there a shortcut to login on the Mac?Its not runnuign at tyhe momenbt so let me explain. When I first turn the Mac on, its in a window and I have to move past 3 or 4 items (I dont recall what those items are at the moment) before I get to my login account and sign in. If that was clear, then I want to know if I can change a setting somewhere so I land directly on that sign in. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "When the only tool you own is a hammer, every problem begins to resemble a nail." --Abraham Maslow (1908-1970) Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Shortcut to Login?
Tim, Maybe I misunderstood. If I am set to "List of Users" I have to navigate to my account then I only have to enter password. If I am set to "Name & Password" then I have to enter both name and password. If I go back to the "List of Users" option, is there a way to land directly on the password field when I turn the Mac on? Just looking for ways to reduce number of keystrokes. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. --Old Farmer's Advice Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/19/2014 11:46 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: "List of Users" as opposed to "Name & Password", -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Shortcut to Login?
Thought I would let you know the solution was to disable the guest account. I dont plan to let anyone near my Mac so this will work great. Thanks for the great help you have given me. I will probably be back for more. But I am taking time off for a bit. Maybe just for the night. :) Quote of the nanosecond . . . Oxymoron: A Little Big Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/19/2014 12:30 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Not that I'm aware of off the top of my head. The easiest way I can come up with is the couple letters of your name, return and then your password. Sorry. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Robert C wrote: Tim, Maybe I misunderstood. If I am set to "List of Users" I have to navigate to my account then I only have to enter password. If I am set to "Name & Password" then I have to enter both name and password. If I go back to the "List of Users" option, is there a way to land directly on the password field when I turn the Mac on? Just looking for ways to reduce number of keystrokes. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. --Old Farmer's Advice Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/19/2014 11:46 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: "List of Users" as opposed to "Name & Password", -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: New Mac users: a good page to bookmark
Indeed, much good stuff there including yours. I went back and looked for other guides and bookmarked several. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Classified Ad: Used cars: why go elsewhere to be cheated. Come here first. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/20/2014 4:59 AM, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, For those of you new to the Mac, I wanted to alert/remind you of a great page: http://www.applevis.com//new-to-mac Applevis used to be mostly iOS-focused, but they have gotten a lot more Mac content in the last year or two. I've contributed several articles, including using Finder, Safari, Commanders, and more. There are guides on switching to Mac, podcasts to demonstrate what you should be hearing, and so on. Of course, everyone on this list is happy to answer questions, but I find myself pointing people to articles on this page more and more often, so I thought I'd let you all know where to find these resources in one spot. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Messages in Mountain Lion
Howdy, After setting up Messages, I tried to figure out how to reply to a text. I got into Conversations but that was as far as I got. Also, after adding my google talk account, I could not see how to start that. Appreciate some tips on this, thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? --Groucho Marx Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Roboform
I have Roboform for the Mac installed. Its toolbar shows in Safari but all the buttons are dimmed. Went to Applications and ran Roboform which brings up a window asking me to choose one of 2 modes. No buttons tho. Perhaps I need to go somewhere else in Mac to get it working? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Defeat is not the worst of failures. Not to have tried is the true failure. --George Edward Woodberry Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: yet more regarding youtube; What are the other key commands for using youtube?
Chuck, Is your mail stuck in repeat mode? This is the 4th repeat this week. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . If you don't learn to laugh at trouble, you won't have anything to laugh at when you're old. --Will Rogers Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/26/2014 10:42 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: Hi since were talking about youtube. :) What are the other key commands for using youtube? I know the "j" key is rewind, the "k" key is pause play, & the "l" key is fast forward. Are there more key commands for youtube such as "play next video" or play previous video" or so forth? TIA Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 GUFFAWING :) In GOD I Trust On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: As to #3, not sure how Apple could fix Flash as Adobe has refused to connect it to Apple's accessibility APIs. Instead, Adobe wants Apple to implement the same API Windows uses so they don't have to do any more work. Unsurprisingly Apple has not been to interested in implementing a second accessibility API when they already have a perfectly good one. CB On 10/19/13, 8:29 AM, Nicholas Parsons wrote: I also refuse to install flash on my Mac, and I'm often frustrated and angry at the prevalence of inaccessible flash on the web. However, I disagree that it is entirely Adobe's fault or that they haven't done anything about flash accessibility. 1. Some flash, though unlabelled, is still accessible with JAWS on Windows. 2. Some flash on Adobe websites (Adobe Connect, for example) is implemented surprisingly well. Everything is fully labelled and all controls are accessible with JAWS on Windows. It is a little tricky as it uses custom keyboard commands, but if you read Adobe's help documentation it works just as they say. 3. Of course flash is completely inaccessible with VoiceOver. This, however, is as much if not more Apple's fault than Adobe's. I don't really blame Apple, as the web would be better off with HTML5 and getting rid of flash, but it's still hardly Adobe's fault. Apple could endeavour to make flash accessible with VoiceOver in the meantime while we're waiting for wider adoption of HTML5. 4. Adobe developed flash to fulfil a need on the web. Although it was not created with the blind community in mind, and is consequently a difficult type of content to make accessible to blind people, Adobe has gone to efforts to make flash accessible. The fact that many developers implementing flash don't take advantage of these accessibility features is not entirely Adobe's fault. 5. It's a similar situation with PDFs. Adobe has greatly improved accessibility of PDFs and provides great documentation explaining to PDF creators how to create accessible PDFs. If sometimes publishers don't follow these guidelines, again this is not Adobe's fault. On 19/10/2013, at 5:04 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: I wonder what it will take to get Google to just get on with implementing HTML5 and dump this fuckin' flash! I refuse to install that parasite on my system under any condition. I may be missing lots of youtube content, but I refuse to compromise my computer with inaccessible flash players and Adobe flatly refuses to make any accessibility improvements to this so-called product. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Where Manuals are Placed
When apps like Roboform are installed in Windows, its easy enough to find the documentation in the Programs menu. On the Mac, where are they found and accessed? I cannot seem to find what I need on the Roboform site and cannto find the answers I need as well. Roboform is installed and its toolbar is enabled in Safari. But the menu button for Roboform on that toolbar is dimmed. I know I need to get to it so I can sync the data from the Windows side. Any thoughts? Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why do they call it an asteroid when it's outside the hemisphere, but call it a hemorrhoid when it's in your butt? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Messages in Mountain Lion
Brandon, Thanks. I have not gotten back to this yet but will. I have been texting on the iPhone and when I have opened the conversation, I only need to get to the edit field and type in it. It does not work like that in Messages? When you say I interact with the table and select the one I want (which I have done), then activate the compose button, I still need to select the recipient? I can understand doing this if there are no conversations. I sure will also try to chat using the steps you outlined. Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Whatever happened to preparations A through G? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/25/2014 9:17 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote: Once you're in conversations, you interact with the table. Then you can navigate to find the conversation you want to reply to. If you want to text someone via iMessage, you have to hit the compose button, then enter either their phone number, or if they are in your contacts you can enter part of their name. It will autocomplete if you hit down arrow. Your buddies are listed in a separate window. Press command-1 to get into the buddy list. Press enter on a buddy you want to talk to, and it will open a conversation with them. Hope this helps, Brandon Facebook: Brandon.Olivares Twitter: @devbanana blindadventures.com: Tips, techniques, and personal experiences living as a blind person. On Apr 25, 2014, at 11:39 PM, Robert C wrote: Howdy, After setting up Messages, I tried to figure out how to reply to a text. I got into Conversations but that was as far as I got. Also, after adding my google talk account, I could not see how to start that. Appreciate some tips on this, thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes? --Groucho Marx Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: yet more regarding youtube; What are the other key commands for using youtube?
Sorry Chuck I do not know. And when I do not get answers to my questions I dont keep sending the same post over and over. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . Half the people you know are below average. --Steven Wright Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/26/2014 1:27 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: Hi Robert, It only gets stuck in repeat until some responds! :) Do you know the answer? I figured that this list would have several experts that could say yes it does and what they were. Or no just "j" K" L" exists for now! BTW if you have any Pro Tools questions fire away! ;) Call if you want I'm on the East Coast of the USA! Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 Isaiah 26 : 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. In GOD I Trust On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Robert C wrote: Chuck, Is your mail stuck in repeat mode? This is the 4th repeat this week. ;) Quote of the nanosecond . . . If you don't learn to laugh at trouble, you won't have anything to laugh at when you're old. --Will Rogers Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/26/2014 10:42 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote: Hi since were talking about youtube. :) What are the other key commands for using youtube? I know the "j" key is rewind, the "k" key is pause play, & the "l" key is fast forward. Are there more key commands for youtube such as "play next video" or play previous video" or so forth? TIA Chuck CHUCK REICHEL soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com www.SoundPictureRecording.com 954-742-0019 GUFFAWING :) In GOD I Trust On Apr 22, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: As to #3, not sure how Apple could fix Flash as Adobe has refused to connect it to Apple's accessibility APIs. Instead, Adobe wants Apple to implement the same API Windows uses so they don't have to do any more work. Unsurprisingly Apple has not been to interested in implementing a second accessibility API when they already have a perfectly good one. CB On 10/19/13, 8:29 AM, Nicholas Parsons wrote: I also refuse to install flash on my Mac, and I'm often frustrated and angry at the prevalence of inaccessible flash on the web. However, I disagree that it is entirely Adobe's fault or that they haven't done anything about flash accessibility. 1. Some flash, though unlabelled, is still accessible with JAWS on Windows. 2. Some flash on Adobe websites (Adobe Connect, for example) is implemented surprisingly well. Everything is fully labelled and all controls are accessible with JAWS on Windows. It is a little tricky as it uses custom keyboard commands, but if you read Adobe's help documentation it works just as they say. 3. Of course flash is completely inaccessible with VoiceOver. This, however, is as much if not more Apple's fault than Adobe's. I don't really blame Apple, as the web would be better off with HTML5 and getting rid of flash, but it's still hardly Adobe's fault. Apple could endeavour to make flash accessible with VoiceOver in the meantime while we're waiting for wider adoption of HTML5. 4. Adobe developed flash to fulfil a need on the web. Although it was not created with the blind community in mind, and is consequently a difficult type of content to make accessible to blind people, Adobe has gone to efforts to make flash accessible. The fact that many developers implementing flash don't take advantage of these accessibility features is not entirely Adobe's fault. 5. It's a similar situation with PDFs. Adobe has greatly improved accessibility of PDFs and provides great documentation explaining to PDF creators how to create accessible PDFs. If sometimes publishers don't follow these guidelines, again this is not Adobe's fault. On 19/10/2013, at 5:04 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: I wonder what it will take to get Google to just get on with implementing HTML5 and dump this fuckin' flash! I refuse to install that parasite on my system under any condition. I may be missing lots of youtube content, but I refuse to compromise my computer with inaccessible flash players and Adobe flatly refuses to make any accessibility improvements to this so-called product. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries&quo
Re: display brailles
I think you would be better off to seek local assistance to learn to use this display. It does not appear to be supported by Apple. Quote of the nanosecond . . . I never apologize. I'm sorry, but that's just the way I am. --Homer Simpson Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/26/2014 6:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: touch me 5 by nippon telesoft -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: display brailles
This display appears not to have a keyuboard, its strictly a display. I think we need to leave this to someone who knows how to work this particular display to help the person. Itherwise we will all go on side trips that lead to nowhere. Quote of the nanosecond . . . If you surrender to the wind, you can ride it. --Toni Morrison Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 6:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: I forgot something. Although you can't assign Braille key commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on your display, you may be able to assign commands to your trackpad. I haven't done this, so someone else on this list will have to help you to do that if you want to do that. Either that, or you may want to call that wonderful 877-204-3930 number. That is the Apple Accessibility number for blind and deaf customers. Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi again You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on your display. That was why I was asking you if you could write Braille on your display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do is to read braille on your braille display. It sounds like that your display is supported by voice over because otherwise you would've had to do more to make it work or maybe it wouldn't have worked it all. So it sounds like that you will need to use your computer keyboard to do everything like putting things in and use your Braille display toread braille on your programs such as text edit. In fact, text edit is the first program that I would recommend you start with to practice with your braille display. You may need to press command shift w in text edit so that when you get to the bottom of the first page your text will start on the next page. Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to navigate things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille then i have to assign some commands? On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi there Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not mean that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my focus 14 blue is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the focus 14 blue manual. The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word about voiceover except for the iPhone. However, my display is listed under its manufacturer in the voiceover manual for the Macintosh for supported Braille displays. So, you might look in the Getting Started with VoiceOver in Apple's website and see if it's on the list. You first look under the manufacturer, and then it has the displays under that manufacturer that are supported. In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not exist almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately tell you to call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which is under Windows. Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under supported braille displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if yours wasn't listed there. I was most impressed to see the braille displays listed there, some of which I never heard of before. Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get braille? If you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's on the list somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those displays that are on the list of supported braille displays. I don't think you would see braille on your display if you are able to get braille on it without going through more complicated connections. I hope what I just said makes sense. Regards, Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual for my display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to use it on the mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction to use this display braille for all screen reader except for voice over, Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth ha scritto: Hi there I am not sure if I made my question clear. You know, all Braille displays have buttons on them so that you can move the Braille back-and-forth. Does your Braille display let you type Braille on it? That is what I meant by input keys. If your Braille display will let you type input Braille, then you can use some commands that are listed in the VoiceOver manual. Also, do you have the manual for your braille display? If you do, a lot of them have listed commands for using them with screen readers. Mine has a section for iOS devices like iPhones, Macintosh commands, and Windows commands. Sincerely, Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: actually i d
Re: display brailles
Nippon Touch Me 5 braille display. Has no keyboard for input. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are good is like expecting the bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian." --Dennis Wholey (1937-) Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 7:59 AM, Thuy Mallalieu wrote: any idea what this mystery braille display is? Like you say, we might have better luck if we knew which one it was? Cheers Thuy Sent from my iPhone On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:13, Robert C wrote: This display appears not to have a keyuboard, its strictly a display. I think we need to leave this to someone who knows how to work this particular display to help the person. Itherwise we will all go on side trips that lead to nowhere. Quote of the nanosecond . . . If you surrender to the wind, you can ride it. --Toni Morrison Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 6:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: I forgot something. Although you can't assign Braille key commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on your display, you may be able to assign commands to your trackpad. I haven't done this, so someone else on this list will have to help you to do that if you want to do that. Either that, or you may want to call that wonderful 877-204-3930 number. That is the Apple Accessibility number for blind and deaf customers. Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi again You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on your display. That was why I was asking you if you could write Braille on your display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do is to read braille on your braille display. It sounds like that your display is supported by voice over because otherwise you would've had to do more to make it work or maybe it wouldn't have worked it all. So it sounds like that you will need to use your computer keyboard to do everything like putting things in and use your Braille display toread braille on your programs such as text edit. In fact, text edit is the first program that I would recommend you start with to practice with your braille display. You may need to press command shift w in text edit so that when you get to the bottom of the first page your text will start on the next page. Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to navigate things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille then i have to assign some commands? On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi there Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not mean that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my focus 14 blue is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the focus 14 blue manual. The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word about voiceover except for the iPhone. However, my display is listed under its manufacturer in the voiceover manual for the Macintosh for supported Braille displays. So, you might look in the Getting Started with VoiceOver in Apple's website and see if it's on the list. You first look under the manufacturer, and then it has the displays under that manufacturer that are supported. In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not exist almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately tell you to call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which is under Windows. Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under supported braille displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if yours wasn't listed there. I was most impressed to see the braille displays listed there, some of which I never heard of before. Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get braille? If you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's on the list somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those displays that are on the list of supported braille displays. I don't think you would see braille on your display if you are able to get braille on it without going through more complicated connections. I hope what I just said makes sense. Regards, Gigi Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual for my display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to use it on the mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction to use this display braille for all screen reader except for voice over, Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth ha scritto: Hi there I am not sure if I made my question clear.
How to Uninstall
I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover equivalent? Thanks. I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Chocolate is good for three things. Two of 'em cannot be mentioned on public television. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to Uninstall
I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how to properly uninstall the app. Here is what I am told to do. "...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon." That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "If you feel you have no faults there's another one." --Unknown Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: press cmd shift + a to open up the application folder if you are on the finder On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C wrote: I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover equivalent? Thanks. I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Chocolate is good for three things. Two of 'em cannot be mentioned on public television. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to Uninstall
In Windows, sometimes one has to use an UNinstaller to cleanly remove a program or there will be problems. And that has happened to me. Command delete does remove the progrma from Applicatiions. But its not a clean process. I ran into issues trying to install again. Will save it for later. Quote of the nanosecond . . . This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs. --Partnership for a Drug-Free America Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to throw the app into the Trash to uninstall. This is done either for sighted users, by dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting the app then pressing cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for placing something into the Trash. In most cases, this is all you ever need to do to uninstall an app on the Mac. There are cases where you need to delete certain Library and/or System files, but the vast majority of apps can be removed in the manner explained. I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There is a control-click on an item, which just brings up the Contextual menu like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the "Move to Trash" item. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C wrote: I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how to properly uninstall the app. Here is what I am told to do. "...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon." That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "If you feel you have no faults there's another one." --Unknown Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: press cmd shift + a to open up the application folder if you are on the finder On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C wrote: I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover equivalent? Thanks. I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Chocolate is good for three things. Two of 'em cannot be mentioned on public television. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Installing apps
After uninstalling the app, I am now trying to install it. I must be missing a step tho. I open the installer, it brings up the window where I drag the app to the app folder. This is where I cannot figure what the next step is. I know I should get another dialog that has the install button on it. What is that step? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "I don't feel good." --Luther Burbank (1849-1926), last words Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to Uninstall
Yes that would pronbably work under normal circumstances. But I had an issue and contacted their tech support who gave me the directions to do the uninstall. Now to the installation and try again. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Babies have big heads and big eyes, and tiny little bodies with tiny little arms and legs. So did the aliens at Roswell! I rest my case. --William Shatner Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 1:16 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, According to the RoboForm site, with the newest version, all you need to do is put the app into the Trash. Older versions required you to get rid of some files in /Users/Your_Account/Library/Application Support and /Users/Your_Account/Library/Preferences. Apps like this one may need you to make sure that you've quit Safari as well as restarted your computer prior to doing the re-install. This kind of app keeps some things running even though you've trashed things. I suggest you both restart the computer and Empty your Trash prior to attempting the re-install process. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Robert C wrote: In Windows, sometimes one has to use an UNinstaller to cleanly remove a program or there will be problems. And that has happened to me. Command delete does remove the progrma from Applicatiions. But its not a clean process. I ran into issues trying to install again. Will save it for later. Quote of the nanosecond . . . This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs. --Partnership for a Drug-Free America Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to throw the app into the Trash to uninstall. This is done either for sighted users, by dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting the app then pressing cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for placing something into the Trash. In most cases, this is all you ever need to do to uninstall an app on the Mac. There are cases where you need to delete certain Library and/or System files, but the vast majority of apps can be removed in the manner explained. I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There is a control-click on an item, which just brings up the Contextual menu like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the "Move to Trash" item. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C wrote: I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how to properly uninstall the app. Here is what I am told to do. "...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon." That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "If you feel you have no faults there's another one." --Unknown Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: press cmd shift + a to open up the application folder if you are on the finder On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C wrote: I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover equivalent? Thanks. I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Chocolate is good for three things. Two of 'em cannot be mentioned on public television. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisio
Re: display brailles
You are in 8 dot mode. I suggest you get some training locally so you can learn how to work with your braille display. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Hell is paved with good samaritans." --William M. Holden Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:39 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: theresa, how come that when i read on my display braille it seems like they were all underlined? i mean, theres always a two character below On 27 Apr 2014, at 11:18 pm, Teresa Cochran wrote: It's possible that Os X tried the closest match. HtH, teresa "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: when i connected my display braille, it was name nippontel seka, but it doesn't tell what version it was, and it was listed on thehttp://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: display brailles
Well apparently even fewer people here on this list know anything about that display. Where did you get it? You are better off to seek support for the display from another source that is more knowledgeable. Quote of the nanosecond . . . It is better to stay silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:54 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: we can't do that here in italy, because not all of the blind here use the display braille, and they i suppose they dont teach this much here. On 28 Apr 2014, at 06:51 am, Robert C wrote: You are in 8 dot mode. I suggest you get some training locally so you can learn how to work with your braille display. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "Hell is paved with good samaritans." --William M. Holden Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:39 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: theresa, how come that when i read on my display braille it seems like they were all underlined? i mean, theres always a two character below On 27 Apr 2014, at 11:18 pm, Teresa Cochran wrote: It's possible that Os X tried the closest match. HtH, teresa "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: when i connected my display braille, it was name nippontel seka, but it doesn't tell what version it was, and it was listed on thehttp://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Installing apps
Tim, Regardless of how I do it, I end up at the installer window. There are 3 buttons in the group. The app itself, the app folder and the uninstall button. I drag the app to the folder and drop it...I think. This is where I am stuck. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Promise me you'll always remember: You're braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think. --Christopher Robin to Pooh Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 8:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, It all depends on the app you're installing. In the case of these kinds of apps that you drag or copy to the Applications folder, all that usually needs done is opening the app after the copy. So, once you've placed the app in your Applications folder, select it from within that folder and press cmd-o to open it. If anything needs installed elsewhere, the app will do it automatically for you. There are some situations where it may ask you for license info or some other things but in many cases, it just installs in the background. The app actually checks upon each startup whether it's the first time it's been opened and/or if certain things have been done, thus it won't need to run the installation part of things again. Make sure that you close the .dmg file and eject it so that you don't attempt to run the app from that disk image. Apps behave much better when they are running from the Applications folder. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Robert C wrote: After uninstalling the app, I am now trying to install it. I must be missing a step tho. I open the installer, it brings up the window where I drag the app to the app folder. This is where I cannot figure what the next step is. I know I should get another dialog that has the install button on it. What is that step? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "I don't feel good." --Luther Burbank (1849-1926), last words Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: window
I am not sure you understand that you cannot input anything on this braille display, you can only read. You need to interact with your Mac via its keyboard. If you want ability to input using braille, you need to get a braille display that has a keyboard, either Qwerty or Perkins style. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Bumper Sticker: Stress is when you wake up screaming and you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 10:54 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: is it normal to have to have the voice over to say safari has no window, or skype has no window? because in my display braille i only see the close botton. i just want to quit the program on my display braille, if i can. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Installing apps
I was right. It was in the drag and drop part. Mouse tracking was on when it should not ahve been. Fixed that and installed the app. Now I am back to figuring out how to access the Roboform menu which is dimmed. The rb toolbar is enabled, so not sure what to do here but will contact tech support again. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Being young is beautiful, but being old is comfortable. --Will Rogers Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/28/2014 8:55 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, So, if the Drag & Drop worked, then you should be able to close the window you're in. Then, press cmd-shift-a which will open the Applications folder. Once in the Applications folder, navigate through until you locate the app that you drug over. If it is there, land on it, then press cmd-o to Open it. That should complete the installation process. Any dialogs necessary for the install will display and you'll be done. If the app is not present in your Applications folder, then the Drag & Drop must not have worked. So, in this case, re-open the window where the app was originally, navigate to it, press cmd-c to Copy, press cmd-shift-a to open the Applications folder and press cmd-v to Paste the app into the Applications folder. You can then do as mentioned above to open and complete the installation. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 27, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Robert C wrote: Tim, Regardless of how I do it, I end up at the installer window. There are 3 buttons in the group. The app itself, the app folder and the uninstall button. I drag the app to the folder and drop it...I think. This is where I am stuck. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Promise me you'll always remember: You're braver than you believe, and stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think. --Christopher Robin to Pooh Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 8:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, It all depends on the app you're installing. In the case of these kinds of apps that you drag or copy to the Applications folder, all that usually needs done is opening the app after the copy. So, once you've placed the app in your Applications folder, select it from within that folder and press cmd-o to open it. If anything needs installed elsewhere, the app will do it automatically for you. There are some situations where it may ask you for license info or some other things but in many cases, it just installs in the background. The app actually checks upon each startup whether it's the first time it's been opened and/or if certain things have been done, thus it won't need to run the installation part of things again. Make sure that you close the .dmg file and eject it so that you don't attempt to run the app from that disk image. Apps behave much better when they are running from the Applications folder. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Robert C wrote: After uninstalling the app, I am now trying to install it. I must be missing a step tho. I open the installer, it brings up the window where I drag the app to the app folder. This is where I cannot figure what the next step is. I know I should get another dialog that has the install button on it. What is that step? Thanks. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "I don't feel good." --Luther Burbank (1849-1926), last words Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to Uninstall
Tim, All is well. Learned a few things from this. Appreciate your help as well as from others. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "There are three types of lies -- lies, damn lies, and statistics." -- Mark Twain Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to throw the app into the Trash to uninstall. This is done either for sighted users, by dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting the app then pressing cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for placing something into the Trash. In most cases, this is all you ever need to do to uninstall an app on the Mac. There are cases where you need to delete certain Library and/or System files, but the vast majority of apps can be removed in the manner explained. I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. There is a control-click on an item, which just brings up the Contextual menu like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the "Move to Trash" item. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C wrote: I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how to properly uninstall the app. Here is what I am told to do. "...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon." That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process. Quote of the nanosecond . . . "If you feel you have no faults there's another one." --Unknown Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote: press cmd shift + a to open up the application folder if you are on the finder On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C wrote: I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover equivalent? Thanks. I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Chocolate is good for three things. Two of 'em cannot be mentioned on public television. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Roboform for Mac
Is anyone using Roboform? Is it compatible with Coiceover? Its installed, activated and the toolbar is enabled but the toolbar buttons are dimmed. If I go to the applications folder and open it, I get a welcome screen that has two choices I need to choose. But there are no buttons, nothing happens. If I bring up the RB menu, some items like prefs are also dimmed. I am in contact with RB tech support but they are not seeming to know what they are doing. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of widths. --Steven Wright Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Apple ID etc
Hello, Where do I go to edit my Apple ID and billing information etc? I need to set things right after trying to buy an app. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why use a big, long word when a diminutive one will do? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple ID etc
Yeah after I sent this post I got an email from Apple directing me there. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Law of Mechanical Repair: After your hands become coated with grease, your nose will begin to itch or you'll have to pee. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 4/29/2014 8:58 PM, Alex Hall wrote: Try applied.apple.com to start. On Apr 29, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Robert C wrote: Hello, Where do I go to edit my Apple ID and billing information etc? I need to set things right after trying to buy an app. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Why use a big, long word when a diminutive one will do? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Have a great day, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Safari in Mountain Lion
Last night I took a stab at using Safari in Mountain Lion. It got ocnfusing so hope I can get some pointers. First a basic question. When I load a page VO reads it all non stop. In a nutshell,, what is a typcal way to navigate in Safari? I know I will get used to it eventually. Now specifically, I had bought an app and need to go find it and see where it went. I went to the Purchases tab and there were 4 apps that need attention (not siftware yupdates but something about Apple needing to verify eligibility). I think there was an accept button to act on the 4 apps but could not land on it. Then the app I paid for last night. I got lost while verifying my Apple ID since it was the first time used on the Mac. Straightened that out. Now I need to know how this process is handled, when one buys an app on the Mac. Need to buy another one later so would like to learn what to expect so its smooth sailing. Part of this learning curve is knowing how to navigate a web page. Thanks for any assistance in this regard. Quote of the nanosecond . . . A gentleman is a man who can play the accordion but doesn't. --Author Unknown Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Checkbook by Splasm
I am looking to buy Checkbook by Splasm, or the Pro version. Have any of you used the first then upgraded to the Pro version? Both are paid apps. The first one is a basic version. What I would like to know is, what the Pro version offers over the basic one. Thanks. One reason I want this app is they plan to offer an iPhone version at some point if they have not already done so. Quote of the nanosecond . . . What do you do when you see an endangered animal eating an endangered plant? Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Password Manager
What is a good password manager for the Mac? And is there also an iPhone vcersion so the two can be synced? Quote of the nanosecond . . . RELIEF: What trees do in the spring Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Password Manager
Got versions now for Mac, iPhone and Windows. Thanks. Now another new thing to learn. :) Quote of the nanosecond . . . Did you hear about the guy whose whole left side was cut off? He's all right now. Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 5/1/2014 9:25 AM, Matthew Janusauskas wrote: 1Password works quite well and both the OS X and iOS apps are accessible. Matthew -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 9:59 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Password Manager What is a good password manager for the Mac? And is there also an iPhone vcersion so the two can be synced? Quote of the nanosecond . . . RELIEF: What trees do in the spring Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
