from:"Richie Gardenhire"

I had to take my Mac Mini to the local Mac store where I bought it and  
they got the disk out, but I wasn't charged for it, since at the time,  
I worked for them.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Nov 23, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

I'd be damn careful about sticking anything in there and especially a  
knife. There is more likely a chance you'll end up damaging the drive  
itself then trying to snag the disc with a pair of tweazers. Really in  
the end it is best to either see what Apple would charge to get the  
disc out or try ejecting the disc with the slot-side facing toward a  
table and it may take some tilting back and forth to see if the disc  
will slip out. Sounds like maybe a label or something has gotten hung  
on the drive's mechanism.
Yeah, this is a problem for slot-load drives, but I've only had a few  
occasions where this happen in my wife's iMac and I just found tilting  
it back was sufficient to free the disc.

On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:52 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

> If it's a midi Cd, get it out with a butter knife.
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:35 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>
>> Try holding the power & eject buttons @ the same time & see if that  
>> does the trick. Never heard of Apple charging to eject a cd is the  
>> mini under warrenty?
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:16 PM, "Hank Smith"   
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello
>>> I have a cd that is jamed in my drive
>>> when I eject it wants to spit it out it can't so it sucks it back in
>>> it also can't get it to the point where I can get at the disk itself
>>> I tried putting a tool in there from my computer case it has 2  
>>> middle tongs to try to grab the disk but I can't get at it
>>> felt the cd spinning but no go
>>> I also don't have the funds to take it in to a mac store to have  
>>> them remove the disk
>>> as soon as the disk drive sees it can't spit the disk it sucks it  
>>> write back in.
>>> help guys other wise I won't have a mac.
>>> I hate these damn slot loading drives fore this verry reason.
>>> please folks give me a hand
>>> this is urgent urgent urgent urgent urgent
>>> Hank
>>>
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Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my mac mini!!! verry urgent

I would suggest taking it to your local Mac store and asking a tech  
person to try and remove the disk from your Mac Mini.  If it is just a  
matter of dislodging the disk, most guys won't charge you anything  
because it only takes a minute or two to dislodge the disk.  If, on  
the other hand there is something wrong with the drive, itself, that  
is another matter entirely.  Of course, what they will charge will  
largely depend upon whether or not you have Apple Care and if you  
don't, how old your Mac Mini is.  If, on the other hand, you have a  
software glitch which causes the disk not to eject, your store tech  
can take care of it and they sometimes don't charge for this, if they  
don't have to replace anything.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 22, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

Did Apple say they would charge you & if so how. Much?

Aloha,
Charlie

On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:56 PM, "Hank Smith"  wrote:

> I am located in tucson arizona
> I am unable to pay fore them to remove the disk though
> - Original Message -
> From: Charlie Doremus
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:55 AM
> Subject: Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my  
> mac mini!!! verry urgent
>
> Sounds like your drive is, as you say, have you asked your local  
> store's genius bar folks to look @ it? Where are you located?
>
> Aloha,
> Charlie
>
> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:38 PM, "Hank Smith"   
> wrote:
>
>> no this was a mini I got used off of some one
>> the cd drive isn't bringing the disk to a spot where I can grab it
>> it acts like it isn't bringing it to the slot
>> meaning it doesn't even hit the slot to even grab it
>> I have a feeling my drive is shot
>> hopefully I didn't scratch my disk
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Charlie Doremus
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my  
>> mac mini!!! verry urgent
>>
>> Try holding the power & eject buttons @ the same time & see if that  
>> does the trick. Never heard of Apple charging to eject a cd is the  
>> mini under warrenty?
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:16 PM, "Hank Smith"   
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello
>>> I have a cd that is jamed in my drive
>>> when I eject it wants to spit it out it can't so it sucks it back in
>>> it also can't get it to the point where I can get at the disk itself
>>> I tried putting a tool in there from my computer case it has 2  
>>> middle tongs to try to grab the disk but I can't get at it
>>> felt the cd spinning but no go
>>> I also don't have the funds to take it in to a mac store to have  
>>> them remove the disk
>>> as soon as the disk drive sees it can't spit the disk it sucks it  
>>> write back in.
>>> help guys other wise I won't have a mac.
>>> I hate these damn slot loading drives fore this verry reason.
>>> please folks give me a hand
>>> this is urgent urgent urgent urgent urgent
>>> Hank
>>>
>>>
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Re: checked out the magic mouse

If you are looking for a mouse with a trackball on top, such as what  
you find on Windows mice, there are no "right clicks" on an Apple  
mouse.  As they say, "One click fits all."  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 22, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote:

Hi List,

So i've troddled to my local apple shop and asked for a magic mouse  
for test purposes. Totally useless. I went to see if the trackpad  
commander option was available, but oh no.

So it means though this device is a pleasure to the touch, it won't do  
much more than hold kleenexes and old rent bills.

Dissapointing, but i believe the ergonomy wasn't made for the blind  
user anyway.

I was actually expecting a big slab like a trackpad on which i could  
navigate just if i did a screen.

I get dreamy like this :)

Best



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Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my mac mini!!! verry urgent

Hank, I think that was a wise decision.  Chances are there is a glitch  
that causes it to hang up, and your store tech can bypass it and get  
the CD out without doing any damage to it.  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Hank Smith wrote:

I scheduled a apointment fore friday
- Original Message -
From: Chantel Cuddemi
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my mac  
mini!!! verry urgent

Take it to an Apple store then. That's all you can do.
On Nov 23, 2009, at 4:22 PM, Hank Smith wrote:

> tried the knife idea with no luck
> also tried sticking a player of what looks like min tweasers fore  
> computers it came out of my computer kit with no luck either
> - Original Message -
> From: Chantel Cuddemi
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:52 AM
> Subject: Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my  
> mac mini!!! verry urgent
>
> If it's a midi Cd, get it out with a butter knife.
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 2:35 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
>
>> Try holding the power & eject buttons @ the same time & see if that  
>> does the trick. Never heard of Apple charging to eject a cd is the  
>> mini under warrenty?
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:16 PM, "Hank Smith"   
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello
>>> I have a cd that is jamed in my drive
>>> when I eject it wants to spit it out it can't so it sucks it back in
>>> it also can't get it to the point where I can get at the disk itself
>>> I tried putting a tool in there from my computer case it has 2  
>>> middle tongs to try to grab the disk but I can't get at it
>>> felt the cd spinning but no go
>>> I also don't have the funds to take it in to a mac store to have  
>>> them remove the disk
>>> as soon as the disk drive sees it can't spit the disk it sucks it  
>>> write back in.
>>> help guys other wise I won't have a mac.
>>> I hate these damn slot loading drives fore this verry reason.
>>> please folks give me a hand
>>> this is urgent urgent urgent urgent urgent
>>> Hank
>>>
>>>
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Printer Compatibility Question

Hi, I'm considering purchasing a Cannon S40 photo printer and I talked  
to a Best Buy sales person to find out if it was Mac-compatible, but  
the person didn't know if it was or not.  I did a Google search and  
found information on the printer and according to the latest  
information I found, it was compatible with all computers.  Has anyone  
had experience with this particular printer?  Richie Gardenhire,  
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Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my mac mini!!! verry urgent

I'm going to make inquiries for you and let you know what I find out.   
I don't want to quote you a price and find out it's higher or lower  
than I quoted you; the external drive may be your only option, but I  
would wait till you hear from your Mac store technician.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

He might find a third-party option for a bit less money, but you'll  
have to contact an authorized service facility since Apple of course  
won't stock/install third-party drives as far as I know. Don't quote  
me, but I think when I looked into this a few years ago for an iMac, I  
got a quote of $250 or something along those lines. I believe the Mac  
Mini uses a laptop drive and I have no idea what it would cost. If  
there is nothing else wrong with the machine, you might consider an  
external drive, which would be less expensive.
On Nov 24, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Well, it's probably hard to give an accurate estimate. The best  
> idea, really, is to call Apple and ask them, I would think.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:49 AM, hank smith wrote:
>
>> what will this cost me to replace? this is not under apple warinty
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Frank Ventura
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:21 PM
>> Subject: RE: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my  
>> mac mini!!! verry urgent
>>
>> Earlier Mac Minis seem to have a fairly high rate of drive  
>> failures. As soon as you press the eject button try tilting the  
>> mini forward so the slot faces downwards and at the same time smack  
>> the back of te Mini with the palm of your hand. I suspect the drive  
>> will need to be replaced.
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> From: Hank Smith [mailto:hanksmi...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:53 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my  
>> mac mini!!! verry urgent
>>
>> no
>> this mac isn't under warinty though
>> I got this system used
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Charlie Doremus
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my  
>> mac mini!!! verry urgent
>>
>> Did Apple say they would charge you & if so how. Much?
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:56 PM, "Hank Smith"   
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am located in tucson arizona
>> I am unable to pay fore them to remove the disk though
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Charlie Doremus
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my  
>> mac mini!!! verry urgent
>>
>> Sounds like your drive is, as you say, have you asked your local  
>> store's genius bar folks to look @ it? Where are you located?
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:38 PM, "Hank Smith"   
>> wrote:
>>
>> no this was a mini I got used off of some one
>> the cd drive isn't bringing the disk to a spot where I can grab it
>> it acts like it isn't bringing it to the slot
>> meaning it doesn't even hit the slot to even grab it
>> I have a feeling my drive is shot
>> hopefully I didn't scratch my disk
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Charlie Doremus
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: urgent urgent help getting a cd that is jammed in my  
>> mac mini!!! verry urgent
>>
>> Try holding the power & eject buttons @ the same time & see if that  
>> does the trick. Never heard of Apple charging to eject a cd is the  
>> mini under warrenty?
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Charlie
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 9:16 PM, "Hank Smith"   
>> wrote:
>>
>> hello
>> I have a cd that is jamed in my drive
>> when I eject it wants to spit it out it can't so it sucks it back in
>> it also can't get it to the point where I can get at the disk itself
>> I tried putting a tool in there from my computer case it has 2  
>> middle tongs to try to grab the disk but I can&#

Re: Ichat

iChat is very accessible with VoiceOver and you can use it to set up  
an AIM account, or other instant message service to which you might be  
subscribed.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:29 PM, peter apgar wrote:

Good evening all,

is i chat accessible?  is it worth setting up an AIM account for?

Thanks in advance,

Pete

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Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem

The Mac Mini is a great machine, and with regard to a monitor, I  
bought an adapter that, when connected, makes the Mac Mini think it  
has a monitor interfaced to it and I can play most video content,  
including DVD's and software from Apple that has video content.   
Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:42 PM, David McLean wrote:

Actually the mini is a great machine with the exception that it needs  
a monitor.  Pretty minor for me although I wish the mini adapter did  
work because it would increase the portability of the machine a bit.

On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

> I guess that's what I'll do.  Wish I had never wasted my money on this
> computer, I should have held out and bought a Mac Book, but who knewA?
> - Original Message -
> From: "David McLean" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
> Subject: -- Mac Mini problem
>
>
> Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
> My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini  
> which is
> what I did.
> Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early  
> Christmas
> present (an imac).
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>> Hello:
>> I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter  
>> that
>> many
>> folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac  
>> Mini's poor
>> performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have  
>> been very
>> busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put  
>> the
>> Mac
>> on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down  
>> to it
>> with
>> the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today,
>> connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have  
>> no
>> speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO  
>> comes
>> up
>> as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still  
>> well,
>> but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering  
>> why the
>> system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If   
>> any of
>> you
>> have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of  
>> you
>> have
>> a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jess Smith" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM
>> Subject: A question about streaming audio in vlc media player
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Whenever I stream audio in Vlc through an m3u playlist, the player  
>> skips
>> ahead to the next track in the playlist before the current one  
>> finishes
>> playing. What's going on here, and how can I fix this?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jes.
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Re: -- Re: -- Mac Mini problem

I bought my Mac Mini in late 2007, and I ordered an adapter for it  
this year and it works like a charm.  Did you order it from the Apple  
Store directly?  That's where I got mine.  Did you get the one for the  
newer Mac Mini machines?  They have ones that work with the newer Mac  
Minis.  Call the Apple Store and they should have some information  
about the adapters.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 24, 2009, at 4:04 PM, David McLean wrote:

Do you have one of the newer machines made after March 2009?
I do and I bought the adapter that was recommended on this list.  It  
didn't work for me so if someone has found one that does work I'd love  
to know which one it is.

On Nov 24, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> The Mac Mini is a great machine, and with regard to a monitor, I
> bought an adapter that, when connected, makes the Mac Mini think it
> has a monitor interfaced to it and I can play most video content,
> including DVD's and software from Apple that has video content.
> Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:42 PM, David McLean wrote:
>
> Actually the mini is a great machine with the exception that it needs
> a monitor.  Pretty minor for me although I wish the mini adapter did
> work because it would increase the portability of the machine a bit.
>
> On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>
>> I guess that's what I'll do.  Wish I had never wasted my money on  
>> this
>> computer, I should have held out and bought a Mac Book, but who  
>> knewA?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David McLean" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:58 PM
>> Subject: -- Mac Mini problem
>>
>>
>> Well I had exactly the same problem last week.
>> My only recommendation is to buy a cheap monitor just for the mini
>> which is
>> what I did.
>> Of course you can also do what I did and buy yourself an early
>> Christmas
>> present (an imac).
>>
>> On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
>>
>>> Hello:
>>> I have finally gotten around to purchasing the mini to dvi adapter
>>> that
>>> many
>>> folks told me would solve the problems I am having with my Mac
>>> Mini's poor
>>> performance on the web, and its inability to play DVDS.  I have
>>> been very
>>> busy because of a change in my job description, so I've kind of put
>>> the
>>> Mac
>>> on hold.  However, life is calming down and I decided to get down
>>> to it
>>> with
>>> the mac.  Imagine my frustration when, I received the adapter today,
>>> connected it to the back of my Mac, started the machine, and I have
>>> no
>>> speech.  If I start the machine without this adapter connected, VO
>>> comes
>>> up
>>> as expected, and if I subsequently plug in the adapter all is still
>>> well,
>>> but Safari is still just as slow as it was before.  I'm wondering
>>> why the
>>> system doesn't seem to come up if the adapter is plugged in.  If
>>> any of
>>> you
>>> have an idea what could be causing this and, better yet, if any of
>>> you
>>> have
>>> a solution, I will be incredibly grateful.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Jess Smith" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:09 AM
>>> Subject: A question about streaming audio in vlc media player
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Whenever I stream audio in Vlc through an m3u playlist, the player
>>> skips
>>> ahead to the next track in the playlist before the current one
>>> finishes
>>> playing. What's going on here, and how can I fix this?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jes.
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iPhone Question

Hi,I'm considering buying an iPhone some time after the first of the  
year.  My question is this: Even though I have set the iPhone up to  
work on my Mac Mini, for example, but my wife wants to use it for  
herself, when she goes on business trips, can she use her PC settings  
in Windows, or do I have to set up a virtual Windows machine for her  
so that she can use it for her applications?  Thanks.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

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Re: iPhone Question

Thanks for answering my question.  And I apologize for the typo when  
sending the aforementioned, above message earlier.  I meant to send a  
copy to Macvisionaries.  Sorry about the goof.  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:08 AM, May McDonald wrote:

That's not true.  It will ask if you want to merge your settings.  The  
phone can be used with both systems.  I did that for a while before I  
got rid of my pc.
On 2009-11-30, at 11:52 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:

> No, you cannot have one iPhone and jump back and forth from mac mini  
> to PC and then back to the mac. Every time you connect the iPhone to  
> a machine the phone recognizes what is running and one must restore  
> the iPhone and start over. So, if you connect to your mac mini load  
> songs from your itunes library and then give the phone to your wife  
> who connect it to a PC running vista for example will want to know  
> whats going on and ask if you want to "restore" so your wife can  
> load her own music.
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Richie Gardenhire 
>  > wrote:
> Hi,I'm considering buying an iPhone some time after the first of the
> year.  My question is this: Even though I have set the iPhone up to
> work on my Mac Mini, for example, but my wife wants to use it for
> herself, when she goes on business trips, can she use her PC settings
> in Windows, or do I have to set up a virtual Windows machine for her
> so that she can use it for her applications?  Thanks.  Richie
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Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being  
one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things  
and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the  
disabled, will be hurt first.  I know thisis a different subject line  
from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I  
will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of  
universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and  
purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be  
forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff.  I  
guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated  
above.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote:

Hi Mark:

I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their  
opinion.  However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here  
in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired  
for.  I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could  
get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics  
for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that  
has costed.  He is working as we speak since the company I work for  
has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding  
the original software is now null and void.  I could have not afforded  
a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars.  I can say with certainty  
that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these  
services.  Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including  
the Oregon Commission for the blind  do know little about Mac  
accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face  
it,whether we  like it or not, a majority of companies still use  
Windows based software.  My husband and I both decided on our own to  
try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did.  I've  
learned it without an instructor.  We nearly lost our Commission last  
summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have  
government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do  
have their problems.  Yes, some people do rely on others to much, but  
not all of us do.  Like you, I grew up in the public school system in  
a rural area.  I was born blind also.  I'll get off my soap box now.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> You, and I to a lesser extent, and others are the exception.  I was
> born blind, didn't go to any institutions for the blind, was raised as
> an only child, mostly in rural Vermont with minimal help from state
> agencies.  Graduated from Dartmouth when I was 20, again with minimal
> if any help from agencies--didn't have my first experience with any
> agencies or institutions for the blind until I was 24, when the
> Carroll Center was offering a medical transcription course and I
> needed another, safer place to be.  They kicked me out of their dorm,
> making me homeless, after six weeks there.  Rehab flatly refused to
> support me and my music career in any way, and pressured me to go to
> the Carroll Center in the first place, then pressured me to get
> therapy and reform my ways when they made me homeless.  I only started
> cautiously learning how to deal with the agencies in 2007, when it
> became clear that my failing hearing was going to force me out of the
> transcription career I'd had for 13+ years.  I learned Jaws and
> Windows essentially by myself, as I've always been good with tech.
> Even now, while I may have learned a little about how to get along
> with the agencies and get what I need, it's a very uneasy truce at
> best./  I hope to be starting a job at another institution for the
> blind soon, but this time as a trainer, not a student, which hopefully
> will turn out better.  You can see why I advocate for the abolition of
> such systems.  They do not foster independence of thinking, and tend
> to punish outside-the-box people, in my experience.  I do realize that
> people blinded later in life may not adapt as fully as those born
> blind; I'm learning that as I lose my hearing, so I have the privilege
> of seeing both sides of the coin, but think about what that implies--
> that the pressure on those whose world has already been blasted by
> losing their sight will essentially become putty in the hands of high-
> pressure agencies who are set in their ways.  The system seems to
> punish at both ends--if you're too independent, you're pressured to
> conform; if you're new to blindness, you're taught not to think for
> yourself.  Hell, I didn't even do mobility orienting stuff until last
> year, when Rehab here in CA suggested I

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time  
again.  To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has  
gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted  
community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for  
use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr  
documents in their computers or reading machines.  Back then, you had  
to pay thousands of dolars for the machine, and ys, state agencies  
bought it for us, if we were lucky.  Now, one can buy a scanner and to  
a certain extent, software for scanning pictures, text, and other  
document forms into one's PC, at a fraction of the cost it was in the  
1970's.  The point here is that it found a marketable niche among the  
sighted community, and once they were mass-produced, prices started  
coming down and people could afford said scanners.  While braille  
displays are another issue, there are companies who are working to  
make even displays more affordable and accepting to the universal  
design market.  In the 1980's, Apple tried an experiment, using an  
ordinary, dot matrix printer, to produce braille.  It wasn't the best  
quality braille, but it was an experiment that, had it been popular,  
might have flown.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:50 AM, carlene knight wrote:

Unfortunately you have to be realistic though.  I agree with you in a  
sense, but going into a store and buying JAWS or Window Eyes off of  
the shelf?  That would be nice?  that's one reason I like the Mac and  
accessories.  The people in the Mac and Apple stores will likely not  
be trained for extensive use with Vo, but they should be able to make  
sure it works.  Try going into a Best Buy
and asking them if JFW works.  We probably make up less than 10% of  
the population so it isn't going to happen.  It would still be  
expensive, and that's why I needed the agency to buy it for me.  Again  
don't get me wrong, in a perfect world that might happen, but we all  
know the world is far from perfect.  I'm not trying to defend anybody  
necessarily, and I don't consider myself dependent because I need  
assistance from them.  I got my own jobs, take care of myself, go  
where I need to go etc.  A good organization helps people become  
independent.  I agree that whenever possible, we should do for  
ourselves and not be too dependent on anybody, agencies included.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> And for this reason, I feel that many state agencies, (Alaska's, being
> one of them)will be cutting back services, in favor of other things
> and as Mark so eloquently pointed out, the elderly, the poor, and the
> disabled, will be hurt first.  I know thisis a different subject line
> from what was originally intended, and I apologize for that, but I
> will say one more thing on this, and that is that I'm in favor of
> universal design so that blind people can walk into any store and
> purchase off-the-shelf software and get it working and we not be
> forced to be co-dependent on state agencies to purchase our stuff.  I
> guess, in a way, I'm against state agencies for the reasons I stated
> above.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 10:32 AM, carlene knight wrote:
>
> Hi Mark:
>
> I certainly don't hold a grudge as everybody is entitled to their
> opinion.  However, if it weren't for the Commission for the blind here
> in Oregon, there is no way that I could perform the job I was hired
> for.  I had to have a programmer write JAWS scripts so that I could
> get to the buttons, read the drop down boxes that just had graphics
> for names, etc. I couldn't have afforded the thousands of dollars that
> has costed.  He is working as we speak since the company I work for
> has changed software and everything we had done in the past regarding
> the original software is now null and void.  I could have not afforded
> a Braille display at about 12,000 dollars.  I can say with certainty
> that there are few if any companies that would provide any of these
> services.  Unfortunately many government funded agencies, including
> the Oregon Commission for the blind  do know little about Mac
> accessibility as they have contracts with certain vendors, and, face
> it,whether we  like it or not, a majority of companies still use
> Windows based software.  My husband and I both decided on our own to
> try the Mac, and though I've had some problems, I'm glad I did.  I've
> learned it without an instructor.  We nearly lost our Commission last
> summer so when I hear people talking about how we shouldn't have
> government agencies such as this, I have to disagree though they do
> have their problems.  Yes, some people do rely on

Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

Scott, I never would have had my interest peaked about the iPhone,  
were it not for my niece, Elisabeth, who had one and though she didn't  
show me how to operate it, she thought it could be adapted so that  
blind people could use it.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

Mark, very interesting. I once was on a flight and this nice young  
lady started asking me about my dog. The conversation quickly turned  
to questions about being blind, about how I work with computers and  
the like and eventually to her showing me an Iphone. THis was before  
the iPhone was accessible and even then I thought it was very cool.
The point was she became very interested in me as a person and not  
just some blind guy. I think I left her with a very different  
perspective and understanding. I think it was one of the most  
intelligent convversations I have had in a good while and one where  
she really wanted to learn something and share her experiences. So,  
instead of seeing me as a disabled person, she saw me as a person with  
different abilities than herself and being a fellow Mac user, made for  
some really neat conversation. Of course I just knew she was cute and  
that didn't hurt either. :)

On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have
> this problem.  It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really
> like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and
> yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching /
> enabling power that will allow us to not be disabled any more.  It's
> idealistic as hell to think that every single blind person can escape
> from the disability of blindness without some cohesion, but also it's
> just as dangerous to try and develop a "blind culture," as the deaf
> have done.  If we allow others to see us as disabled, then we will be,
> but how do you change an attitude which I believe to be literally  
> hard-
> wired into the brain stem, which says that if a stranger can't meet
> your eyes, then they are not to be trusted but instead are to be
> ostracized and shunned, cast out?  I personally don't have an answer,
> except for myself; I do not allow people to act toward me as if I were
> disabled, as much of the time as is feasible.  Of course I ask for
> help when I need it, directions or, in the case of a mailing label the
> other day, the help of a sighted person to ensure the label she
> printed for me went on right--I'm not naive, but I struggle constantly
> to escape from the "disabled box," that people on the street put me  
> in.
>
> Growing up as an only child, born blind, with things like Braille a
> fact of life, rather than the exception, in a small town, in a very
> constricted and confined environment where I didn't even need a cane
> to get around, I could literally forget that I was blind--to this day,
> when people come up to me and start talking to me like a blind man, it
> often takes me a few moments to realize what's happening; until then,
> things people say to me sound nonsensical or outright rude.  Until I
> remember that they're talking to my blind eyes, not to the man before
> them.  It causes me no end of social hassle because I don't know that
> a person is "helping," me when I'm just doing my thing, and so I
> respond as a "normal," person would to someone who came up out of the
> blue and made a random comment about steps, or the curb, or whatever.
> The other day, someone in the post office thought they were helping by
> repeating everything the clerk said to me after she was done saying
> it.  I turned and snapped, "Wait your turn!" and it was only when the
> person in question started yelling at me about how ungrateful I was
> that I remembered that, "Oh yeah; this is probably someone trying to
> help me the blind guy, not talking to me the guy."  By then, as in
> numerous other instances, it was already far too late.  (Eventually
> they had to call security to get the woman to leave me alone...)
> Whether that's a sign of my near-complete adaptation to blindness, my
> ADHD rearing its ugly head again, or what, I don't know, but I
> personally don't think of myself as disabled, don't act as if I expect
> people to give me a handicap.  What would happen if every blind
> person, instead of going out the door with the assumption that "I'm
> blind, and people who come up and talk to me are talking to the blind
> me, not the true me," instead walked out the door with the assumption
> that "I'm just doing my thing, I'm as able as the next person, more o

Re: Mac mini meats the putty knife

I wouldn't risk doing this if I were you for the simple reason, one  
the casing has been tampered with, unless one knows what they're  
doing, the Mac Mini would be hard to put back together again.  If it  
shuts down, chances are, it's a safety feature, although it shouldn't;  
Mac Minis run fairly warm with heavy use, but there is a safety  
mechanism built into them which prevents overheating.  I don't know  
about older Mac Minis, but the newer ones have that feature.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:12 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote:

Hey all.

Guess who's just been given a mac mini, which quite honestly is the
best computer I've ever touched! However all is not well, this mini
seems to be getting a bit hot and bothered - ie: when doing anything
intense it will get hot then shutdown; I understand this is actually a
feature.

I want to open the case to try and remove some of the dust that I'm
assuming is the cause of this problem, but I've never delved inside a
mini before so am a little bit warey about how to go about it.
The general concensus seems to be to use a putty knife or 2 or to cut
& strip an ethernet cable then loop the wires around the tabs in order
to release them. However, when I've found posts about how to do this,
they've been quite pictorial so they haven't been that helpfull.
I'd be interested in hearing if any totally blind person has ever
managed to open the g4 1.42 mac mini without scratching it, using
either of the above methods. I should be fine locating everything once
the case is open, its just the actual removal of the casing that is
worrying me a little.

As always, any response what so ever would be great.
Thanks for reading, Ben.

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Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question

Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini.  I checked the  
settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings for each  
account are identical.  However, on my Mac Mini, I keep getting a  
message that says: "The SMPT server is not responding," or "The SMPT  
server has timed out."  I've even gone as far as to remove all  
accounts from the Mac Mini and redo the accounts over again.  I am  
receiving mail, but can't send any.  I called my Internet provider and  
they suggested using just the local server for all accounts to see if  
that works.  Are there any other possibilities?  I checked my wireless  
router, and it works like a charm on all the computers in my house,  
including my iMac.  All software is updated on my Mac Mini, as I have  
Leopard installed.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

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Re: Apple Mail and a Mac Mini Question

I did that; still can't send mail.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
Alaska.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:34 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

You probably checked this, but what about the selection in mailboxes
for taking accounts online?  good luck, Max
On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> Hi, I'm having trouble sending mail on my Mac Mini.  I checked the
> settings on both my iMac and Mac Mini and both settings for each
> account are identical.  However, on my Mac Mini, I keep getting a
> message that says: "The SMPT server is not responding," or "The SMPT
> server has timed out."  I've even gone as far as to remove all
> accounts from the Mac Mini and redo the accounts over again.  I am
> receiving mail, but can't send any.  I called my Internet provider and
> they suggested using just the local server for all accounts to see if
> that works.  Are there any other possibilities?  I checked my wireless
> router, and it works like a charm on all the computers in my house,
> including my iMac.  All software is updated on my Mac Mini, as I have
> Leopard installed.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
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Re: no mac for blind people in Belgium

When I told her I was considering getting an iPhone after the first of  
the year, she said, "Why wait till then, when it's possible you may  
get one for Christmas."  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

Hey Richie, so now that the iPhone is accessible, what does she think  
about that?
Considering she thought it was possible and now it is, she must be  
pretty impressed. :)
On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> Scott, I never would have had my interest peaked about the iPhone,
> were it not for my niece, Elisabeth, who had one and though she didn't
> show me how to operate it, she thought it could be adapted so that
> blind people could use it.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
> Mark, very interesting. I once was on a flight and this nice young
> lady started asking me about my dog. The conversation quickly turned
> to questions about being blind, about how I work with computers and
> the like and eventually to her showing me an Iphone. THis was before
> the iPhone was accessible and even then I thought it was very cool.
> The point was she became very interested in me as a person and not
> just some blind guy. I think I left her with a very different
> perspective and understanding. I think it was one of the most
> intelligent convversations I have had in a good while and one where
> she really wanted to learn something and share her experiences. So,
> instead of seeing me as a disabled person, she saw me as a person with
> different abilities than herself and being a fellow Mac user, made for
> some really neat conversation. Of course I just knew she was cute and
> that didn't hurt either. :)
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>
>> As long as the blind define themselves as "disabled," they will have
>> this problem.  It's paradoxical, because as I said, I don't really
>> like to be around lots of blind people all together in a group, and
>> yet we, the blind people, need some sort of cohesive teaching /
>> enabling power that will allow us to not be disabled any more.  It's
>> idealistic as hell to think that every single blind person can escape
>> from the disability of blindness without some cohesion, but also it's
>> just as dangerous to try and develop a "blind culture," as the deaf
>> have done.  If we allow others to see us as disabled, then we will  
>> be,
>> but how do you change an attitude which I believe to be literally
>> hard-
>> wired into the brain stem, which says that if a stranger can't meet
>> your eyes, then they are not to be trusted but instead are to be
>> ostracized and shunned, cast out?  I personally don't have an answer,
>> except for myself; I do not allow people to act toward me as if I  
>> were
>> disabled, as much of the time as is feasible.  Of course I ask for
>> help when I need it, directions or, in the case of a mailing label  
>> the
>> other day, the help of a sighted person to ensure the label she
>> printed for me went on right--I'm not naive, but I struggle  
>> constantly
>> to escape from the "disabled box," that people on the street put me
>> in.
>>
>> Growing up as an only child, born blind, with things like Braille a
>> fact of life, rather than the exception, in a small town, in a very
>> constricted and confined environment where I didn't even need a cane
>> to get around, I could literally forget that I was blind--to this  
>> day,
>> when people come up to me and start talking to me like a blind man,  
>> it
>> often takes me a few moments to realize what's happening; until then,
>> things people say to me sound nonsensical or outright rude.  Until I
>> remember that they're talking to my blind eyes, not to the man before
>> them.  It causes me no end of social hassle because I don't know that
>> a person is "helping," me when I'm just doing my thing, and so I
>> respond as a "normal," person would to someone who came up out of the
>> blue and made a random comment about steps, or the curb, or whatever.
>> The other day, someone in the post office thought they were helping  
>> by
>> repeating everything the clerk said to me after she was done saying
>> it.  I turned and snapped, "Wait your turn!" and it was only when the
>> person in question started yelling at me about how ungrateful I was
>> that I remembered that, "Oh yeah; this is probably someone trying to
>> help me the blind guy, n

Economics and the Mac

Why not have a provision in the Healthcare Bill, where this would  
include covering the cost of a screenreader as a medical expense, much  
in the manner that wheelchairs and certain types of hearing aids are  
covered?  Quite frankly, I don't think it would fly simply because  
Congress would then come back and say that states should be given the  
discretion as to what they will or will not cover in their rehab  
budgets.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

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I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at  
hand.  If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers  
universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why  
Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the  
technical expertise throughout the company) to do so.  And if it  
brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a  
mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without  
sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be  
forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their  
economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax  
dollars and marketshare is all about?  In my humble opinion, for what  
it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market  
is because they have contracted with some state agencies and  
government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly.   
I paid less for my car than I have for braille displays costing $8000  
to $12,000 dollars at a time.  In Alaska, for example, the biggest  
majority of vision loss occurs in the elderly population and baby  
boomers who are about to reach retirement age.  We have no school for  
the blind in Alaska; therefore, if parents want to send their blind  
kids off to a residential school, they would have to send them  
Stateside, which costs the state thousands of dollars which they could  
probably find other revenues to use elsewhere.There are a handful of  
us who are blind and visually-impaired Macusers, but that numberis  
increasing, as the word about VoiceOver gets out.  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:21 PM, carlene knight wrote:

I know that the companies take huge advantage of the fact that they  
have a guaranteed nitch and can charge whatever they want.  That's why  
I will not upgrade my JAWS SMA.  For one thing I don't need it and  
secondly, I don't want to pay that kind of price for an upgrade, but  
FS knows that they can get away with it because of a guaranteed  
market.  I'm not saying things could not change, but simply stating  
that you can't get JAWS or a Braille display from a  home electronics  
ore software store, and I wouldn't expect to happen any time soon if  
ever. In their eyes, why should They bother as they won't sell enough  
of them to make it worth their while.  There  is a cell phone put out  
by Capital Accessibility in Europe.  I've seen one and it's no big  
deal.  The speech is great, but there is no camera, digital screen, or  
anything that might ad a bit of a price to the phone.  It's built like  
a brick, but it is over $500 and though the speech is clear, it's very  
robotic.  Tell me that's not ridiculous?  I don't know that agencies  
are responsible for this one, but the phone is so tailored to our  
needs that somebody will buy it.  Not me.  Granted, if more people  
were learning braille and speech software as they were dealing with  
macular degeneration, and there was a big enough demand for it, things  
might come down a bit.  That's great about the scanner.  I'd better  
stop typing now as I am misspelling more things than I am typing  
correctly and am about to throw this keyboard, though it's not at fault.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> With all due respect, that argument has been used time and time
> again.  To that, I say this: the best example of a product that has
> gone down in price because of the acceptance of it by the sighted
> community, is the optical scanner, which was originally intended for
> use by the blind for scanning newspapers, magazines, and othr
> documents in their computers or reading machines.  Back then, you had
> to pay thousands of dolars for the machine, and ys, state agencies
> bought it for us, if we were lucky.  Now, one can buy a scanner and to
> a certain extent, software for scanning pictures, text, and other
> document forms into one's PC, at a fraction of the cost it was in the
> 1970's.  The point here is that it found a marketable niche among the
> sighted community, and once they were mass-produced, prices started
> coming down and people could afford said scanners.  While braille
> displays are another issue, there are companies who are working to
> make even displays more affordable and accepting to the universal
> design market.  In the 1980's, Apple tried an experiment, using an
> ordinary, dot matrix printer, to produce braille.  It wasn't the best
> quality braille, but it was an experiment that, had it been popular,
> might have flown.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2009, at 11:50 AM, carlene knight wrote:
>
> Unfortunately you have to be realistic though.  I agree with you in a
> sens

Re: Economics and the Mac

2009-12-01 Thread Richie Gardenhire

yet another problem for blind and visually-impaired workers is,  
technology is changing so rapidly, by the time you getsaid  
screenreader, or even hardware, your machine is either outdated or the  
technology for it becomes obsolete, and companies pull support without  
notice which, leaves sort of an unfair advantage in favor of off-the- 
shelf technology. And that is where Macs and VoiceOver has started  
cutting into the marketshare.  If I, for example, were a rehab  
counselor, and I found or discovered that my client can do his/her job  
adequately with VoiceOver, my tendency would be to go with the product  
that is most economical for my dollars appropriated to me; most of the  
time VoiceOver would win out.  Every screenreader, albeit a Microsoft  
or Apple product, has its good points; the choices we make will  
largely depend upon our knowledge of said product and our knowledge of  
capitalistic economics.  And like everything else, economics has its  
ambiguities, some we may or may not understand; the bottom line here  
is, counselors should be informed just as much as clients so that  
state agencies aren't wasting moneyon something that would be of no  
use to the client for present or future purposes.  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.
On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:03 PM, carlene knight wrote:

One thing that needs to be addressed here is that there are employers  
who can't afford to provide the necessary items needed for their  
visually impaired employees to  do the job.  Whether you think that's  
just an excuse for them or not, The bottom line is that I didn't have  
access to computers etc to do the job without assistance.  I am one of  
those that do work at a call center and without an $8000.00 Braille  
display at $1200.00 screen reader, Kurtzweil software for scanning, a  
scanner, a printer, and tons of time for a programmer, I wouldn't be  
able to perform this job and there is no way that I could have  
afforded a quarter of this stuff on my own.  Maybe with a flex account  
I could pay it back in a few years, but something tells me they would  
want it back sooner than that.  Again, I don't expect this to turn  
into a pity party, but you have to see both sides of the coin.

On Dec 1, 2009, at 6:09 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:

> I CC'd the bs list on this post and I think we should probably move  
> it there...
>
> The operative phrase in your post is "from your employer" which  
> points us to a chicken and egg problem - people can't get jobs until  
> they learn to use a screen reader and they can't really get a screen  
> reader (or computer on which to use it) until they get a job.  In  
> most cases, employers are compelled to buy the AT for the person  
> with a disability but, more often than anyone would like to admit,  
> the technology cannot provide access to some of the tools necessary  
> to do a specific job or, to an even greater extent, to use the tools  
> one needs to get a promotion (project management software is an  
> example where there is no known solution for screen reader users).
>
> There is the additional problem of where do blinks without an  
> aptitude for computers, office type work, professional education  
> (law school for instance) and even an undergraduate degree in an  
> area in which they can shine.
>
> People without vision impairment can go into very noble careers that  
> pay very well and in some areas carry excellent union benefits like  
> becoming a plumber, electrician, carpenter, landscaper, tree  
> surgeon, auto mechanic and many other lucrative ways to earn a  
> living that do not require the skills of a white collar job.  As  
> blinks, we have a big gap between call center worker at a bit over  
> minimum wage all the way to software engineer/IT pro, lawyer,  
> linguist/translator and other very high skilled professions.
>
> Plain and simply, while, as the quote from Caddyshack goes, "The  
> world needs ditch diggers" and people with vision impairment aren't  
> qualified to dig ditches.
>
> So, until AT moves forward by a number of really huge steps, blinks  
> with an aptitude for stocking shelves at Wal-Mart are out of luck.   
> Moderately retarded individuals who can see can actually get some  
> sort of job that pays minimum wage but a person with vision  
> impairment without an education for a white collar job, a job for  
> which they may have no talent, are SOL.
>
> cdh
>
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 6:10 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>> Ah lets not mix issues here. I think there is a good argument to an  
>> insurance company paying some portion of a screen reader if they  
>> cover things like wheelchairs etc. At the risk of spinning this  
>> into an issue of politics, one is something you h

Re: Economics and the Mac

2009-12-01 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Freedom Scientific is a large company; for NFB to step in and say to  
Microsoft to stay out of the screenreading business, is in and of  
itself, telling me they have a stake in what FS or GW Micro does with  
regard to their marketshares.  And while these companies have a place  
in the market, they like other companies vying for the screenreader  
market and if they are driven out of business, it's not because they  
don't have viable products; they simply refuse to go with the trend.   
By the time scripts are written for their screenreaders to keep pace  
with the market trends, something else will come along and we have to  
wait six months to a year, and sometimes longer, before we are able to  
take full advantage ofsoftware that is out there in the mainstream.   
The same could be said of braille displaysand embossers.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Dec 1, 2009, at 1:10 PM, John G. Heim wrote:

Several years ago, Microsoft began working on improvements to narrator  
that
would make it a realistically usable screen reader. But the National
Federation of the Blind asked them to stop. The reasoning was that if
Microsoft improved narrator, it might drive Freedom Scientific and GW  
Micro
out of business. They thought that narrator would never reach the  
quality of
Jaws and window-eyes yet it might still be good enough to drive those
products out of the market.

Obviously, that decision was somewhat controversial at the time. I  
argued
that it made no sense to think that narrator could be at once too  
crummy to
be used and at the same time good enough to drive jFS and GWM out of
business. I didn't anticipate the development of the other free screen
readers, voiceover, nvda, and orca. But certainly, that's another point
against the NFB position.

On the other hand, I don't think I'd like to switch to voiceover or nvda
full-time. They are not quite up to the standard set by jaws yet.

- Original Message -
From: "Lynn Schneider" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac

I purchased my first Apple computer about three months ago.  I will  
never
forget the feeling of complete surprise and joy at being able to just  
turn
the iMac on and get it talking within minutes.  Microsoft is not to  
blame
for not having default Windows access out of the box, blind people are  
to
blame.  As Mark said, thinking outside the box can get you into hot  
water.
A few years ago on a blindness-related list, I made the cataclysmic  
mistake
of expressing my wish that some day, windows would be accessible out  
of the
box.  You would not believe the hate mail I received from tons of blind
people basically saying that I wanted a free lunch, I was ungrateful  
for all
the hard work and research of the screen reader companies, etc. etc.
Honestly, it was totally shocking to me that I would get such ire for  
simply
suggesting that we ought to have access to something our sighted peers  
take
for granted without having to pay thousands of dollars extra.  But,  
being on
this list and seeing all the other blind switchers out there, I feel at
least a tiny bit vindicated, as blind people are starting to see the
benefits of universal access.  I really think it is the young blind  
people
who are going to demand universal access, at least I hope so.  They  
are the
ones who are going to benefit most from being able to buy an iPhone or  
iPod
Touch like their peers and just start using the thing, and they are
hopefully going to demand more of that.  With chips being so cheap now,
there is absolutely no reason why universal access cannot be built right
into things.  The best thing we can all do is to spread the word far and
wide about what Apple has been able to accomplish with their products  
and
make them an example of what can be.

On Nov 30, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> I have changed the subject line to more reflect on the discussion at
> hand.  If Apple can set aside resources to make their Mac computers
> universally marketed across the board, there is no reason why
> Microsoftshouldn't, (and they definitely have the resources and the
> technical expertise throughout the company) to do so.  And if it
> brings the prices down, and Microsoft does, for example, develop a
> mechanism by which Windows can be installed out of the box without
> sighted assistance, companies such as Freedom Scientific would then be
> forced to either go with the trend; otherwise, they would lose their
> economic dolars; after all, isn't that what competition for tax
> dollars and marketshare is all about?  In my humble opinion, for what
> it's worth, the only reason Freedom Scientific survives in the market
> is because they have contracted with some state agencies and
> government entities, and we bare the brunt of the expense ineirectly.
> I paid less for my car than I

Re: Accessing Project Gutenberg

2009-12-01 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Greg Kearney is working on writing a program which will give us access  
to the Gutenberg project site so we can download books from that  
site.  There are probably others working on similar software.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage,Alaska.


On Dec 1, 2009, at 1:03 PM, James & Nash wrote:

Hi list,

On Windows, the Webbie application suite has a fantastic app for  
accessing the Project Gutenberg site. Does anything like this exist  
for the Mac? I know that there is one called Guten, but as yet, I've  
not got it to work. How do people find accessing the Gutenberg site,  
and do they have any tips?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

TC

James

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Re: Economics and the Mac

2009-12-02 Thread Richie Gardenhire

That may be true, but how long did you have to wait before Jaws caught  
up with the industry standards and changes in new trends?  Six months?  
A year? A year and a half?  And by the time you got those scripts  
written, yet another piece of software comes out, mmaking that  
software virtually obselete; therefore, you have to go back to Square  
1, or use the existing technology until Jawscatches upto the changes.  
Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:11 AM, John G. Heim wrote:

1. Voiceover requires more keystrokes to use than does jaws.
2. Jaws provides greater access to Windows operating system functions  
than
voiceover does for macos. For example, try configuring ldap/ 
ActiveDirectory
authentication on a Mac.

- Original Message -
From: "James & Nash" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac

Hi,

I'm not looking to upset anyone, but can I ask why do you think that  
VO and
NVDA are not quite up to the standard set by JFW and We?

Mac OS X 10.6 set the VO bar extremely high. This release has made VO a
fully functional and viable solution for Blind computer users who wish  
to
use a Mac. I am not saying that improvements do not need to be made, but
that goes for all of the Screen Readers on all of the platforms and the
operating systems generally. I admit that prior to this, whilst VO was  
very
good, it did not quite hit the mark, and Apple's approach to  
accessibility
seemed to be stagnating - andso I migrated back to Windows. This was a
personal choice though.

Keep in mind, that; NVDA, Orca and VO work in a very different way to  
JFW
and Window Eyes. All three use object navigation - a concept which  
allows us
as blind users to gain an idea of what our sighted co-workers etc are  
seeing
on the screen. This is a radical concept, and one which Apple has been
slammed for pursuing. It is also worth remembering that both Orca and  
Voice
Over are being used on operating systems which are fundamentally and  
vastly
different to Windows, both in concept and design.

I do not mean this to be a patronising or condescending E-Mail, I am  
just
curious as to why you think VO is not yet up to the standard of the
commercial offerings of the Windows world? Please bare in mind, that  
these
are just my opinions. If you'd like to discuss this further, please  
contact
me of list as i think we may be going off topic here.

TC

James

On 1 Dec 2009, at 22:10, John G. Heim wrote:

> Several years ago, Microsoft began working on improvements to narrator
> that
> would make it a realistically usable screen reader. But the National
> Federation of the Blind asked them to stop. The reasoning was that if
> Microsoft improved narrator, it might drive Freedom Scientific and GW
> Micro
> out of business. They thought that narrator would never reach the  
> quality
> of
> Jaws and window-eyes yet it might still be good enough to drive those
> products out of the market.
>
> Obviously, that decision was somewhat controversial at the time. I  
> argued
> that it made no sense to think that narrator could be at once too  
> crummy
> to
> be used and at the same time good enough to drive jFS and GWM out of
> business. I didn't anticipate the development of the other free screen
> readers, voiceover, nvda, and orca. But certainly, that's another  
> point
> against the NFB position.
>
> On the other hand, I don't think I'd like to switch to voiceover or  
> nvda
> full-time. They are not quite up to the standard set by jaws yet.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lynn Schneider" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac
>
>
> I purchased my first Apple computer about three months ago.  I will  
> never
> forget the feeling of complete surprise and joy at being able to  
> just turn
> the iMac on and get it talking within minutes.  Microsoft is not to  
> blame
> for not having default Windows access out of the box, blind people  
> are to
> blame.  As Mark said, thinking outside the box can get you into hot  
> water.
> A few years ago on a blindness-related list, I made the cataclysmic
> mistake
> of expressing my wish that some day, windows would be accessible out  
> of
> the
> box.  You would not believe the hate mail I received from tons of  
> blind
> people basically saying that I wanted a free lunch, I was ungrateful  
> for
> all
> the hard work and research of the screen reader companies, etc. etc.
> Honestly, it was totally shocking to me that I would get such ire for
> simply
> suggesting that we ought to have access to something our sighted peers
> take
> for granted without having to pay thousands of dollars extra.  But,  
> being
> on
>

Re: selection replaced, 0 items selected

2009-12-02 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Carlene, You might want to write to accessibil...@apple.com, and  
explain to them what is going on.  They've been most helpful to me in  
situations such as this.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:09 AM, carlene knight wrote:

Hi:

What would make my MacMini say "selection replaced 0 items selected"  
every few minutes?  How would I go about fixing this problem because  
every time it does this Voiceover stops reading.  If I'm doing  
something away from the computer, it drives me nuts after a while.   
I've relaunched Finder which used to stop it, but now it starts doing  
this again in an hour or two.  I had to relaunch finder several times  
yesterday.  I started shutting my computer down at night so it gets a  
clean boot every day.  This was happening when I first got my computer  
and seemed to subside for a while but it's back.  I have reinstalled  
SL once already because of a focus issue.  I took my text edit  
document that I open nearly every day out of the dock thinking that  
might help, but it didn't.  Any ideas?  Thanks.

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Re: Economics and the Mac

2009-12-02 Thread Richie Gardenhire

You brought up some interesting points concerning spreadsheets here,  
Chris.  If enough people write to accessibil...@apple.com, I believe  
the development team will work on a sort of spreadsheet that will will  
be accessible with VoiceOver.  There are probably some spreadsheet  
programs that give limited access with VoiceOver; this was discussed  
several months ago in an earlier spread and I got the impression that  
several people have, in fact, written to Apple expressing their  
concerns for a comprehensive spreadsheet program that would be quite  
compatible with VoiceOver in future updates.  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.

On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:

If you don't like JAWS in spreadsheets then you will hate Macintosh in  
similar programs.

JAWS provides a ton of semantically interesting ways to navigate in  
Excel.  You can get lists of cells with data, set row and column  
headings and have them follow you to files with similar titles, have  
multiple "regions" on a sheet with multiple tables, read the data in  
charts and graphs, do all sorts of interesting things on a braille  
line to optimize use of that expensive  real estate, etc.  Just hit  
JAWSKEY+V to bring up the verbosity dialogue or pop up JAWS hot key  
help for Excel and you'll find dozens of features unavailable in any  
other screen reader although Window-Eyes is catching up in spite of FS  
hitting them with a patent suit regarding augmented information in a  
spreadsheet.

I didn't know about these buttons in cells but I'd bet if you can  
access them through VB script then you can get at them with a slight  
change to the JAWS scripts.  If you look into the VB object model for  
Excel and find this item, send it to Eric Damery at FS and he'll  
probably get it into the Excel scripts very quickly.

The web 2.0 stuff, if it follows the Aria guidelines (you can find it  
at www.w3c.org/wai) actually work quite good with JAWS but far less  
well with all other screen readers.  Because there are official  
guidelines, it shouldn't be too hard for the other screen access tools  
to catch up but, as is often the case, FS got IBM to pay them big time  
consulting dollars to add Aria support to JAWS so they could  deploy  
some stuff and have an accessibility solution ripe and ready.

Overall, I find the Macintosh to provide a really superior  experience  
but it has its limitations.  One could probably add features very  
similar to the cool stuff JAWS does in excel to VO plus OpenOffice  
using any number of interesting techniques but it would take a pretty  
solid screen reader hacker with an understanding of the guts of both  
VO and OO to pull it off and, sadly, I don't think there are too many  
people really diving into the hardcore technical side of Macintosh  
accessibility who do not work for Apple.

cdh

On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:52 AM, John W. Carty wrote:

> Could you please discuss spreadsheet limits using vo in more detail.  
> I'm struggling to make the move to a mac and I use a lot of  
> spreadsheets.
>
> I work in an environment that uses a lot of spreadsheets and I've  
> always been disappointed with jaws support for excel. In a  
> professional environment I encounter spreadsheets almost daily that  
> uses vba buttons embedded in cells that jaws cannot see. this has  
> been a problem forever and fs has never done anything to solve this  
> issue thru out office not just excel.
>
> I believe web 2.0 is going to reek havoc for screen reader users for  
> many years regardless of the screen reader.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Hofstader [mailto:c...@hofstader.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:22 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Economics and the Mac
>
> I think VO does a poor job with spreadsheets, containing none of the  
> semantic navigation features in JAWS or WE.  It generally does a  
> hardly adequate job in all tabular constructs and struggles with  
> complex web 2.0 apps like googledocs.
> On Dec 1, 2009, at 5:47 PM, James & Nash wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm not looking to upset anyone, but can I ask why do you think  
>> that VO and NVDA are not quite up to the standard set by JFW and We?
>>
>> Mac OS X 10.6 set the VO bar extremely high. This release has made  
>> VO a fully functional and viable solution for Blind computer users  
>> who wish to use a Mac. I am not saying that improvements do not  
>> need to be made, but that goes for all of the Screen Readers on all  
>> of the platforms and the operating systems generally. I admit that  
>> prior to this, whilst VO was very good, it did not quite hit the  
>> mark, and Apple's approach to accessibility seemed to be stagnating  
&g

Re: mac mini

2009-12-04 Thread Richie Gardenhire

I happen to have one of those adaptors.  Works like a charm.  I lost  
the original one that came with the machine when I first bought it,  
but I ordered one from Apple and it works like a dream.  Richie  
Gardenhire, anchorage, alaska.
On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:20 PM, cougar1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

So does the new mac mini run correctly with the adaptor plugged in and  
no monitor attached.  I bought mine in April and it has to have the  
monitor attached.

Steve
On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:16 PM, David Denne wrote:

> Oh alright I see. well yes then you are correct there. I don't know if
> you read my profile or not but but I beta test VO so that is my hole
> reason for coming on here. I want to get any feedback possible
> whethere it be negative or postitive feedback.
>
> On 12/4/09, Rick Harmon  wrote:
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Yes I realize this, I was just commenting on the post  where the  
>> person said
>> the newest mac minis didn't require a display to be plugged in to  
>> the mini
>> for VO to work right.  I have a brand new mac mini here and it does  
>> not work
>> as the poster stated when no adapter is used.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "David Denne" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: mac mini
>>
>>
>> Hello rick. Keep one of the monitor adapters pluged in to your Mac
>> mini. It will cause your mac mini to think there is a monitor and it
>> should work as you want it to. If not I'll see what I can do to  
>> figure
>> this out.
>>
>> On 12/4/09, Rick Harmon  wrote:
>>> I'm a new mac mini owner and just purchased the november version  
>>> of the
>>> mini.  I unhooked my mini DVI to VGA adapter and tried to play a  
>>> DVD and
>>> got
>>> a DVD initialization error and DVD Player busy notice.  SO I'd say  
>>> this
>>> advisor is wrong.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "louie" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:27 PM
>>> Subject: mac mini
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just got off the phone with a mac adviser. I was told that the new
>>> Mac mini does not need any special adapter to work with out a  
>>> monitor.
>>>
>>> louie
>>> louiem...@wavecable.com
>>>
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Mac Mini

2009-12-04 Thread Richie Gardenhire

I would, as one post advised, keep an adaptor plugged into your Mac  
Mini; better to be safe than sorry.  It doesn't hurt the machine  
having the adpator plugged into it.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
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Re: Need Help Reinstalling Greek Keyboard

2009-12-07 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Did you try pressing the key to the right of the Shift Key, and  
holding it down f couple of seconds?  This tells your machine what  
settings to use so that you can use your Greek keyboard, or whatever  
keyboard you may have.  There will be some radio buttons that gives  
you options for settings.  HTH.  Richie Gardenhire, anchorage, Alaska.

On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Tiffany D wrote:

I tried this about five times so far and the last two times, system
preferences quit on me.  Then, when they finally did work, the option
wouldn't stay checked and the button to select the keyboard shortcut
was dimmed.  This is exactly the kind of garbage that makes me want to
sell my Mac.  In DOS and Windows, it takes a few minutes at most to do
this.  Here, I practically need a manual, and all this stupid
interacting and tables is giving me a headache.  I'm gonna try this
again, but if I can't resolve it without more stress, I'll probably
just reinstall Leopard and put this thing up for sale.  I got the Mac
to make my life easier not to give me problems and if I can't even do
a simple thing like change keyboards without all of this insanity, why
bother?  I think I'll just let someone sighted do it so can move on
and get it over with.  Let them get the headache.

Very annoyed,
Eleni

On 07/12/2009, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> You want your keyboard layout to be in a standard greek style? If so,
> then you need to go to the international pane of system preferences.
>
> In that window there is a input menu tab to select.
> Select this tab and pick the keyboard layouts you prefer. You will
> then be able to select a keyboard style from the menu bar, and I
> believe there is also the ability to select a shortcut key for
> switching keyboard layout.
>
> JOn
>  system preferences,
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Re: Is the navigation of items on the IPhone as efficient and speedy as everyone says?

2009-12-08 Thread Richie Gardenhire

I talked with my local AT&T kiosk where I live and they told me that  
they are going to have classes for those of us who are blind and  
visually-impaired that they will set up classes on Fridays for those  
of us who want them in the Anchorage area.  Richie Gardenhire,  
anchorage, Alaska.

On Dec 8, 2009, at 11:58 AM, carlene knight wrote:

Hi:

When I played with one in the store, I was able to hear it fine, but I  
had trouble knowing where the letters were also.  I suppose you would  
get used to that somewhat, but I can't see myself being very  
proficient typing with it.
On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:48 AM, May McDonald wrote:

> Once you learn where things are on the screen you can get there  
> rather quickly.  I don't do any flicking or searching around on my  
> IPhone.  I know where everything is and can usually hit it on the  
> first try or I'm one space away from it.  Using it in a store to  
> compare how fast it can be used is not such a good idea because of  
> the loud place you're in and probably how much time you have to play  
> with it.
>
> If you were just using the flicking to get around then yes, for you  
> that would be rather time consuming, smile.
> On 2009-12-08, at 8:44 AM, Jess wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I don't mean to be negative. Maybe I'm missing something, but  
>> having played with the IPhone for a while at the store last  
>> Saturday, I have to wonder if the voice over navigation methods for  
>> navigating the touch screen are as speedy and efficient as typing  
>> on the qwerty? For example, the sighted guy who was watching me  
>> navigate using voice over observed that I had to cursor all over  
>> the screen to find something, when he could just tap on it with the  
>> finger. For example, even if I knew the notes application, or  
>> Safari was down at the bottom of the screen, I'd have to flick all  
>> the way around the screen to find it. Or, let's say I was writing  
>> an email. If I knew that I wanted to type in an H, or a U, would I  
>> have to cursor all over the screen to find it? To me, this just  
>> would be slow and tedious. A, S, D, F, G, H, double tap. Q, W, E,  
>> double tap. j, k, l, double tap. l, double tap. t, y, u, i, o,  
>> double tap.
>> All that just to write the word  hello? Please tell me I'm missing  
>> something!
>>
>> Jess
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Re: jaws on mac

2009-12-09 Thread Richie Gardenhire

In my experience with Jaws on a virtual Windows machine on a Mac I  
had, I found Jaws to be somewhat sluggish and stuttery.  So I used a  
copy of Supernova that I had for Windows XP; it worked so much better  
than Jaws.  I don't know if they fixed any glitches in Jaws since Jaws  
9, (the release I hadf with Windows XP at the time of installation) so  
it may work for you in your virtual machine.  In Gordon Smith's  
demonstration in 2007, he had Window-Eyes which worked very well.  the  
latest edition of WE I had was 4.5.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
Alaska.


On Dec 9, 2009, at 11:19 AM, John W. Carty wrote:

I'm purchasing a new mac in a couple of days and I need to run windows  
for a couple of work related apps.

I saw emails on this list a couple of weeks ago discussing a problem  
with the jaws key on a mac.

Using the laptop keyboard layout in jaws the caps lock becomes the  
jaws key.

Why would this be a problem, I don’t understand?

Are there any other known issues for me to consider?

Thanx,

John Carty





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Re: best keyboard model and mouse combo for macminny

2009-12-11 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Apple Aluminum keyboard and the Mighty Mouse from Apple.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Dec 11, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Corey Knapp wrote:

Hi can someone please recomend the best keyboard and mouse for my mac
minny thanks.
Corey

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Establishing a Network Location

2009-12-19 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Hello, I'm trying to establish a network location on a student's Mac  
Mini so he doesn't have to keep connecting manually to his home  
network.  The name I want to use for the location is Automatic.  It is  
a refurbished Mac Mini with Leopard installed, but there is no network  
location, i.e. Automatic established.  Can I establish the network  
location via the Sys Pref menu?  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

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Re: We better keep this going!

2009-12-22 Thread Richie Gardenhire

I am encouraged to know that our Mac user population in the BVI  
community is steadily growing, and the sighted colleagues I've talked  
to here in Alaska are excited and the first thing I hear from them is,  
"I have a parent or friend who is blind and this would be great for  
him and her and perhaps I could help him/her with the computer."  And  
our rehab counselors are finally "getting it!"  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.

On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:

Sure, but just because it talks out of the box doesn't mean much.  
Don't get me wrong, I love my VO, but there still are things that it  
needs help with.
On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> ALthough I agree there needs to be no mission in converting folks,,  
> I do believe it makes sense to let any and all know.  Whether you  
> like the iPhone or not is in my mind irrelevant.  What is relevant  
> is the fact that finally now a blind or visually impaired person can  
> now go into a store and purchase an accessible product, whether that  
> be a computer, iPhone, or iPod, and not have to purchase additional  
> and expensive software makes a tremendous difference.
> I think there is more to be gained by proving the Mac or other  
> offerings by Apple are viable solutions is what will sell the  
> product to a blind or visually impaired user honestly.
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote:
>
>> The iphone seems nice enough, but lets not go on a converting  
>> rampage. I'm personally getting something else, because I don't  
>> like the iphone, even if we had service for it where I'm at.
>> On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Jess wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> Well, I'm getting the IPhone 3 GS today. But more than that,  
>>> folks, we need to keep the trend of switching to the Mac and  
>>> IPhone going. The more people we have switching, the more inclined  
>>> Apple will be to continue support and development for Voice OVer.
>>> For the first time, I can walk into a store, pick up a phone, and  
>>> have it talk out of the box. I don't have to have this special  
>>> software that makes my phone accessible, and explain to people,  
>>> oh, this is special software that reads aloud what you see on the  
>>> screen. When I mention to people that I am going to get the  
>>> IPhone, I feel a great deal of satisfaction that people don't look  
>>> at me and go, well Jess, youre blind, so how the hell will you be  
>>> able to use it? It's awesome that I can be treated as an equal. We  
>>> half! to keep this trend up! Otherwise, what we have waited for,  
>>> hoped for, and longed for, access to something right out of the  
>>> box, will soon be gone forever! And by the way, every time I try  
>>> to convince someone that accessibility is a right and we have the  
>>> right to have 100 percent access to everything we buy, that  
>>> argument that we are to small of a market is always what I get.  
>>> I'm sorry, but Apple is proving that argument to be void, and I  
>>> have never agreed with it and never will. Any thoughts on this post?
>>>
>>>
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Web Anywhere Screenreader--An Ongoing Experiment at the University of Washington

2010-01-06 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Hi, If you want to try something different, try a product called Web  
Anywhere.  It is an experimental screenreader that can be used  
anywhere there is a computer.  I've tried it and it does work on  
Macs.  To activate it, open Safari, and in your default homepage bar,  
type the following: www.wa.cs.washington.edu, then wait a few seconds  
and Web Anywhere should start talking.  It will not work for some  
desktop applications or spreadsheets.  It is, at best, an entry level  
screenreader, but it quite good.  I had to disable VoiceOver once Web  
Anywhere began speaking.  Good luck and check it out.  Richie  
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Re: mini CD's?

2010-01-19 Thread Richie Gardenhire

It should, depending on the format used.  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.



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Hey guys, I just wanted a quick nook at a driver CD for an old part I  
have laying around here, and it's a mini CD.  Uh, I am really  
reluctant to just shove this disk into the slot on the side of my  
mbp.  Does any one know if the drive will take these discs?


Thanks,

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Re: mini CD's?

2010-01-19 Thread Richie Gardenhire

You can get a special external drive from the Apple Store that will  
accommodate mini CD's.  another thing you could do, although it is a  
lot of time consumed, is to transfer your data onto a mini disk  
recorder, then transfer it to your hard drive.  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.



On Jan 19, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote:

The CD drive will not take midi CD's. If you put it in the slot, it'll  
get stuck.

On Jan 19, 2010, at 8:27 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Hey guys, I just wanted a quick nook at a driver CD for an old part  
I have laying around here, and it's a mini CD.  Uh, I am really  
reluctant to just shove this disk into the slot on the side of my  
mbp.  Does any one know if the drive will take these discs?


Thanks,

erik burggraaf
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Re: mini cds

2010-01-19 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Seems to me that the Mac Power PC's could accommodate a mini disk, but
it's been so long since I had one, I can't remember. Richie
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Jan 19, 2010, at 1:04 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

Naw, this was like a one shot deal. So it doesn't work, no problem.
I just walked it over to my pathetic old windows laptop. Now that I
come to think of it though, the pc I'm installing on is going to have
a slot. I suppose I should really convert these drivers.

Ah well, onward...

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On 2010-01-19, at 4:26 PM, Josh wrote:

Hi
if you want to use mini cds maybe you could buy an external usb
dvdrw drive and plug it in when you want to use mini cds?

Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com
my blog is at http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net (updated frequently).
Tired of Microsoft Windows and paying thousands for screen-readers?
try out NVDA, get a mac--, nvda--for Windows, or try out and switch
to grml, Ubuntu, Vinux, or knoppix-adriane Linux desktops. Knoppix
ubuntu and vinux-cli-max are the most accessible for beginners. also
try vinux-gui and encourage those at www.cherrypal.com to use
windows-xp and nvda knoppix-adriane Vinux-cli-max or grml so all
blind people can have an accessible computer.

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Re: new member

2010-01-31 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Welcome, Lyn.  And if we can be of assistance to you in any way, feel  
comfortable to ask questions.  We're happy to share our Mac  
experiences with you.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.



On Jan 31, 2010, at 5:53 PM, patrickneazer wrote:

Hello Lynda:

Welcome to the list and congratulations on purchasing a new mac.

You will find people here quite friendly and willing to support you in  
learning anything you want to learn using your computer.


Please do not hesitate to ask any question because if you ask it rest  
assured someone else was wondering the exact same thing (smile).


I hope you enjoy your time with the list and much success with your mac.

Be well and again ... welcome.
On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Lyn & Twinny wrote:


Hi everyone,

Just thought I'd send a short message to briefly introduce myself as  
I have just joined the list.


I am Lynda, 36 from France. I recently bought a Mac book and  
therefore ama new mac user.  I hope to learn a lot about everything  
Voice over and the mac can offer.


Take care all

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www.bingopalace.net--Not Accessible with VoiceOver or the Mac

2010-02-12 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Caution: Any of you who like to play Bingo online, there is a site  
called www.bingopalace.net, but it is not accessible with the Mac or  
VoiceOver.  I tried downloading the software, which is similar to the  
software used in All-in-Play, only to find out there isn't a version  
for the Mac, as yet.  I wrote to the powers-that-be to find out if  
they are going to release a Mac edition any time soon. I'm awaiting  
their response.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


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A Patch for Windows 7 for Leopard Users

2010-03-10 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Hi All, I know there is a patch for users of Snow Leopard for having  
Windows 7 installed, using Boot Camp.  Is there one for Leopard?  I  
want to put windows 7 on my Mac Mini, which is running Leopard.  I  
don't have Snow Leopard, as yet.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


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Removing the Real Player DMG File

2010-03-16 Thread Richie Gardenhire

A while back, I discovered that I haven't been able to use the Real  
Player because I didn't remove the DMG file from the hard drive?  Is  
it necessary to remove it and if so, do I select just the DMG file to  
remove?  Thanks.   Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.



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Re: purchasing an iMac

2010-03-21 Thread Richie Gardenhire

I have the 20-inch iMac and I love mine dearly.  The only difference I  
can see with the 27-inch model is, you can connect a Mac Mini to the  
monitor.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.



On Mar 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

Cody, the new iMacs are fine and perform just as well as the previous  
model. My wife has my iMac, which is the 20-inch model and it is about  
a year and change. THe changes in the machines are not significant, so  
I do not think you will have any problems. Apple did have some issues  
with the 27-inch models, but they apparently got a handle on that and  
those issues had to do with the screen. In any case, I think you will  
be pretty happy with the iMac.


On Mar 21, 2010, at 3:39 PM, Cody wrote:


Hi folks!

So how's everyone doing today? besides my little illness that I seem  
to be getting over I'm doing awesome.


I'm glad to see that while I was at the mall yesterday with my  
boyfriend the maine mall had an apple store. It actually confused me  
quite a bit because the best buys store which also carries macs was  
on the other end. So I walked into the apple store and started using  
the iMac they had sitting there, the 21 inch. I was about to just  
run out of the store with it but I decided against. For $1199 I  
thought that I could afford it if I sold my toshiba qosmio which I  
probably might do. Does anyone here have any experience with the  
newest iMacs on the market good or bad? I'm starting school in  
september hopefully and want to know if anyone has the same senario  
as I do right now, school and all. If so, how does it work for  
documents formatting etc. I've only used pages a little and haven't  
messed extensively with any of the other apps in iWork, and I'm  
guessing that the performance is 10 x better on the new iMacs than  
on any of the new macbooks. So let me know your feedback I'd be  
greatly appreciative!


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Form Question

2010-03-22 Thread Richie Gardenhire

I just purchased a Mobile Me subscription and paid cash for it.  Yet  
when I go to fill out the registration form, it wants my credit card  
information.  Is there a workaround, since the subscription is already  
paid and how can I prevent my credit card from being charged again for  
the same amount I paid?  Thanks in advance.  Richie Gardenhire,  
Anchorage, Alaska.


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Infovox Representative

2010-03-22 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Hi All, Does anyone know if an Infovox dealer/representative will be  
at the ACB convention in Phoenix this year?  Thanks.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


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Re: How can I play .wmv files?

2009-03-03 Thread Richie Gardenhire

You might try www.versiontracker.com, and there are several editions  
of Flip4Mac, which you can download.  If I'm not mistaken, you have to  
have a previous version of Flip4Mac, before you can upgrade to the  
latest free version.  At least, I did.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
Alaska.

On Mar 3, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

>
> Yup. The free Flip4Mac plugin is what most folks use.
>
> http://www.telestream.net/flip4mac-wmv/overview.htm
>
> CB
>
> Bob Hill wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am wondering how I can play "wmv" files on the Macintosh.
>> Can someone point me to a plug-in or something to play these?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Bob Hill
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
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Re: Gmail notifier, anyone use?

2009-03-04 Thread Richie Gardenhire


In my case, the sound I have for Mail Alert alerts me for all my  
mailboxes; doesn't matter which one.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
Alaska.


On Mar 4, 2009, at 2:28 PM, rayna424 wrote:

>
> So on the mac what kind of nose does gmail make without the notifier?
> I still haven't figured it out. When I notice a strange noise, I check
> for new mail but there isn't any.
>
> Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I use it just to know when new mail comes in at school where there is
>> a proxy blocking all other trafic.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>> On 3-Mar-09, at 11:50 AM, rayna424 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about getting the gmail notifier. Does anyone use it? I
>>> used to love it when I could see. Different ballgame now.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Randi
>>>>
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Re: Reading large amounts of text on a web page


If you didn't get your answer yet, use VO+A, when you hear VoiceOver  
say, "HTML Content."  It's Leopard's "Say-All" command.  HTH.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Mar 4, 2009, at 3:54 PM, Mike wrote:

>
> Hi all:
>
> Is there a method of reading large amounts of text on a web page using
> VO?
> Right now, I have to use the VO right arrow to read line by line.
>
> TNX:
> Mike
>
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Re: Facebook users


I tried setting up an account, using Face Book, but because I'm hard  
of hearing, the capcha was hard to navigate for me.  Is there a toll- 
free number to get assistance?  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Mar 5, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Tiffany D wrote:

>
> I actually didn't have to do all that navigation.  I just went to web
> under the VoiceOver utility, tabbed once and used VO right arrow.
> Instantly I saw the options and selected the group mode radio button.
> As for Facebook it's a large and cluttered site.  I like the mobile
> version but find that it won't let me see posts made in groups and
> won't let me comment on my own status.  Neither site will let me
> delete applications once added.  I've tried this with a few
> screenreaders on my XP machine and one of them at least tells me that
> there's a remove button but it won't let me press it.  VoiceOver
> doesn't even recognise it and will only let me block an ap.  Does
> anyone know how I can fix this problem?  Also, can I delete the photos
> ap and still add photos?  I'm sick of seeing "person A has added a new
> photo" or "B has commented on A's photo".  These things do nothing for
> me.
>
> On 03/03/2009, rayna424  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Esther. I ended up speaking to someone on the phone and we went
>> over the group mode thing. I think I'll wait on that until I get more
>> comfortable haha. I'm finding that learning this like pealing an
>> onion, and so far I've only taken off the thin dry outer coating  
>> haha.
>> At least after my phone conversation, all those VO keys you mentioned
>> made sense. I've learned some stuff from reading manuals and such,  
>> but
>> find that the best way for me is by playing. And talking directly on
>> the phone definitely makes more sense. I'll keep group mode in mind
>> for future reference though, for sure. Thanks for your help!
>>
>> Randi
>>
>> Esther wrote:
>>> Hi Randi,
>>>
>>> Group mode is one of the settings in the VoiceOver Utility panel  
>>> (VO-
>>> F8).  Interact with the table (VO-Shift Down arrow) and navigate to
>>> the "Web" setting.  Then stop interacting (VO-Shift Up Arrow) and  
>>> VO-
>>> right to the settings under "Web".  The first entry will be "When
>>> naviagating web content use"  and there will be radio buttons for  
>>> "DOM
>>> navigation" and "Group navigation".  VO-right to the one you want,  
>>> and
>>> use VO-space to select that radio button.  Then use Command-W to  
>>> close
>>> the Utility Panel window.
>>>
>>> DOM mode is a kind of consecutive ordering of visiting links.  Group
>>> mode is hierarchical, and can be faster on pages you're familiar  
>>> with
>>> (you navigate by groups and drill down by interacting to the precise
>>> item you want).  Some web pages work better in one mode than  
>>> another.
>>> This is also within individual usage preference.
>>>
>>> If you haven't done this, you should start by downloading the
>>> "VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Leopard" from
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html
>>>
>>> which is Apple's comprehensive document on using VoiceOver.  It's
>>> available in PDF (use Preview to read) or mp3 files or podcasts, as
>>> well as Braille and other formats.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:26 AM, rayna424 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Group mode? Whats that? I can only write on walls if they write on
>>>> mine first. I can't access anyone's profiles to start any kind of
>>>> dialogue, other than commenting on people's status messages.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eliza Cooper wrote:
>>>>> Hi Randi,
>>>>>   I used to use the gmail notifier on my pc, but since the Mac's
>>>>> mail application makes a noise whenever you get mail if it's open
>>>>> (even if you're doing something else), I haven't needed to get  
>>>>> it.  I
>>>>> don't know if that helps any.  Also, yes, I have a ton of trouble
>>>>> with
>>>>> facebook, and other than posting on people's walls and doing basic
>>>>> stuff, I've stopped bothering with it.  Hopefuly other people have
>>>>> more success/patience.
>>>>>   Eliza
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 11:51 AM, rayna424 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just had a friend help me set up facebook yesterday. I'm  
>>>>>> finding
>>>>>> many limitations which apparently so are a lot of screenreader
>>>>>> users.
>>>>>> Anyone use? I go between mobile facebook and the regular one to
>>>>>> accomplish anything. Any pointers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Randi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
> >


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Re: Facebook users


Thanks, Randi.  I will give it a try.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage,  
Alaska.


On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:04 PM, rayna424 wrote:

>
> Ok, think I got it. Here:
>
> http://universallydesigned.net/uncategorized/facebook-the-good-bad-and-the-ugly/
>
> It took some searching to find her actual blog. She'ss a windows user
> but she did talk about calling a support number. I'm not sure if she
> gives the number, but maybe you can tontact her. The mobile facebook
> site is at www.m.facebook.com
>
> The best thing about having my sighted friend help was, you can select
> an option to verify the account by text message so you never get the
> captias again. So she was able to do the text for me.
>
> rayna424 wrote:
>> I just had a friend help me set up facebook yesterday. I'm finding
>> many limitations which apparently so are a lot of screenreader users.
>> Anyone use? I go between mobile facebook and the regular one to
>> accomplish anything. Any pointers?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Randi
> >


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Re: Facebook users


I posted a comment because when I went to check out her blog, she  
didn't give a support number, nor did she give any suggestions as to  
how to contact customer service.  I hope to hear from her soon.   
Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:04 PM, rayna424 wrote:

>
> Ok, think I got it. Here:
>
> http://universallydesigned.net/uncategorized/facebook-the-good-bad-and-the-ugly/
>
> It took some searching to find her actual blog. She'ss a windows user
> but she did talk about calling a support number. I'm not sure if she
> gives the number, but maybe you can tontact her. The mobile facebook
> site is at www.m.facebook.com
>
> The best thing about having my sighted friend help was, you can select
> an option to verify the account by text message so you never get the
> captias again. So she was able to do the text for me.
>
> rayna424 wrote:
>> I just had a friend help me set up facebook yesterday. I'm finding
>> many limitations which apparently so are a lot of screenreader users.
>> Anyone use? I go between mobile facebook and the regular one to
>> accomplish anything. Any pointers?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Randi
> >


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Re: new iPod Nano 16G

2009-03-06 Thread Richie Gardenhire

Hi Mark, I have an iPod Nano, the 16-GB one, and the only problem I  
had was activating the small button in the center, which sets the unit  
to English, as the default language.  However, once it is set, it's  
just a matter of following the instructions when iTunes opens.  And as  
far as the system voice, I use Victoria because, being almost deaf in  
one ear, it is easier for me to hear her pronunciations.  On an  
unrelated matter, for reading the VoiceOver content, I use Princess  
because her high-pitched voice is easy for me to hear words, and  
combined with Victoria, gives me a good contrast in styles.  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Mar 6, 2009, at 7:58 AM, David Poehlman wrote:

>
> Mark,
>
> using voiceover or your favorite windows screen reader, you can setup
> any nano 4g.  As has already been said, you need to select the voice
> you want to use in the system first as in the speech panel of windows
> control pannel or the speech panel of system prefs on the mac.  when
> you first hook your nano up, ITunes will open and you need to follow
> the onscreen instructions.
>
> On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:59 AM, M AUSTEN wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Is anyone using the  new iPod Nano 16Gb, I have a couple of questions.
>
> Is it accessible from the Box?
> What Voice does it use?
> Can it be changed in Universal Access and can it be done by someone
> with virtually no sight at all?
>
> Any help would be great.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >

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Re: IWork and ILife

2009-03-06 Thread Richie Gardenhire


I have written to Apple on numerous occasions, and every time I did, I  
get an immediate response, and they tell me the same thing; that they  
appreciate hearing feedback from VoiceOver users, and they always put,  
at the end of the messages sent to me, that they would like to hear  
suggestions as to how to better improve accessibility for VoiceOver  
users.  So believe it or not, Apple does, and will, listen to us;  
don't give up on them.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Mar 6, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Dan wrote:

>
> Hello,
> Actually, the more that report to Apple and the different ways we all
> have of expressing ourselves will go much further toward helping Apple
> produce a much better product.
> If only one person does it, then it will be from his or her
> prospective and may not reflect the whole need.
> I have always written to apple and I don't plan on stopping and
> letting only one person do it. The other thing is this. In several
> instances, Apple has emailed me back with a question or two. They have
> also mentioned that they really appreciate when VoiceOver users
> respond with their concerns.
> Just my thoughts.
>
>
> Dan
>
> key...@comcast.net
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, but wouldn't it be better if one person wrote to Apple, but that
>> everyone contributed with what they felt needed improving? I dunno, i
>> just sorta think aloud here.
>> /Krister
>>
>>
>> 6 mar 2009 kl. 14.07 skrev A-Pro Studio:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Such reports are possible for each and everyone to give Apple for
>>> every Apple product to accessibil...@apple.com - and those of us who
>>> are involved in ADC or other portals aimed at developing software  
>>> for
>>> Mac, both inside and outside of Apple, should use their ability to
>>> report VO issues. Also, in each Apple software, there is a "Provide
>>> feedback" menu item in the applications own menu, that takes you  
>>> to a
>>> feedback page. I have posted a lot of such issues, and by not
>>> trusting
>>> such issues should be reported by someone else, but instead post  
>>> your
>>> own found issues, Apple and other developers will get the feedback
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John André
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6. mars. 2009, at 12.11, Scott Howell wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And ALex, please do share the report. We all stand to benefit and
>>>> anything we can provide or the more we share and so forth si going
>>>> to
>>>> help us and APple. Apple has the opportunity to make iWorks as
>>>> accessible and I believe the success of this application will lead
>>>> to
>>>> accessibility of other apps.
>>>> On Mar 5, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Cara et al:
>>>>>
>>>>> I was merely continueing the thread on whether ILife and IWork  
>>>>> were
>>>>> accessible. So, in stating what I was doing, I hoped to convey  
>>>>> that
>>>>> Apple is working with me to rectify the issues in ILife 09.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5-Mar-09, at 6:50 PM, Cara Quinn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex, are you asking the list something here?…  I'm not sure what
>>>>>> you're wanting to post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This sounds interesting, care to share with the rest of the  
>>>>>> class?
>>>>>> …  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry if I'm being daft,but I'm really not
>>>>>> understanding
>>>>>> if you're wanting to share something here, or ask for people's
>>>>>> input.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If ya wouldn't mind, please do be a bit less vague when you can,
>>>>>> K?
>>>>>> …  It really would help me for one, in understanding what you're
>>>>>> talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks so much and have an awesome evening!…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Smiles,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cara  :)
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> V

Re: espeak on mac?

2009-03-07 Thread Richie Gardenhire


Perhaps I may have overlooked this feature, but exactly what is  
sSpeak, and does one have to reinsert the installation CD if they want  
to get it?  I learn something new all the time, it seems. :)  Richie  
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Mar 7, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Greg Kearney wrote:

>
> They are an optional install on the system CD that came with your mac.
>
> Greg
> On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Greg thank you for your answer")
>> I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and look in  
>> to
>> what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any with the
>> mac book air, but i can be wrong.
>> /sandi
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue here.
>>> We
>>> did not get very far. The basic process is to make a sysnsisier for
>>> each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in the
>>> developer tools that come with the mac.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg agree.
>>>> But my main problem so far have been to find out where the voices
>>>> are
>>>> selected.
>>>> I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox voices can  
>>>> be
>>>> added so can espeak:)
>>>> of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr minute rule
>>>> or
>>>> so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at least.
>>>> Greg was it not you who actually tried making it native at some
>>>> point ?
>>>> /sandi
>>>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Greg Kearney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I vote for making them native voices.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM, sandi sørensen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi all.
>>>>>> For some days ago some one asked  me if espeak could be used as
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> default voice on the mac so well can it ?
>>>>>> I am considering looking in too it to see what can be done about
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> I can see too ways 1 make it natively show up in the voiceover
>>>>>> voice
>>>>>> selection or 2 make a hack around it.
>>>>>> But before i do alot of things  any ideas?
>>>>>> /sandi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: flash and VO

I have written to accessibil...@apple.com, and they said to write to  
Adobe
and I did so.  I haven't heard from Adobe yet; I will give them a  
couple days, and if I don't hear from them, I will write them again.   
But the accessibility is not with Apple, but rather, Adobe, since it  
is their player, and if Adobe wants their products to user-friendly  
for everyone, they should so indicate.  I have a home business which  
uses the Flash player, but I can't use it; I have to refer my  
customers to my wife, who is a business partner, and she can show  
demonstrations to our customers.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.

On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:55 AM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> One of the things that I have noticed since I started using VO is that
> it doesn't recognize flash players. Does anyone know if there is any
> plan to make VO accessible with flash?  It is really frustrating when
> I can't activate a movie on a website because it's in a flash player.
> Thanks.
>
> Alena
> Blog: http://blind-gal.blogspot.com
> >

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Re: using JAWS on my Mac


Alena, Have you tried using System Access to Go?  www.satogo.com.  It  
has no video intercept issues, and it should work with whatever  
Windows operating you have installed.  Richie Gardenhire, anchorage,  
Alaska.


On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I am sad to say though that I
> will be removing my Windows partition. I have JAWS 8 and my graphics
> processor is too new to run my version of JAWS.  I have no ability to
> upgrade JAWS so I guess I'll just have to figure out how to uses my
> Mac for everything.
>
> Alena
> Blog: http://blind-gal.blogspot.com
>
>
> david poehlman wrote:
>> set jaws to laptop mode nd use the capslock.  that is what I am  
>> doing and
>> others as well.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 
>> To: "MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:06 PM
>> Subject: using JAWS on my Mac
>>
>>
>>
>> I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering if
>> anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard.
>> For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key?
>> Thanks
>>
>> Alena
> >


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Re: using JAWS on my Mac


No problem.  I wasn't aware that you had BootCamp set up to use  
virtual Windows.  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.


On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:04 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

>
> sorry about this, I hadn't seen the other message.
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:
>
>
> Alena, Have you tried using System Access to Go?  www.satogo.com.  It
> has no video intercept issues, and it should work with whatever
> Windows operating you have installed.  Richie Gardenhire, anchorage,
> Alaska.
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I am sad to say though that I
>> will be removing my Windows partition. I have JAWS 8 and my graphics
>> processor is too new to run my version of JAWS.  I have no ability to
>> upgrade JAWS so I guess I'll just have to figure out how to uses my
>> Mac for everything.
>>
>> Alena
>> Blog: http://blind-gal.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> david poehlman wrote:
>>> set jaws to laptop mode nd use the capslock.  that is what I am
>>> doing and
>>> others as well.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: 
>>> To: "MacVisionaries" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:06 PM
>>> Subject: using JAWS on my Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering  
>>> if
>>> anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard.
>>> For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Alena
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs