Re: Question about sites using Ajax

[Larry Skutchan]

Have you tried mathjax.org

On Apr 22, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Keith Watson wrote:

> Sorry, all the sites I frequent use Comet.
> 
> On Apr 21, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Has anyone encountered problems accessing sites using ajax? I cannot think 
>> of a site immediately that heavily uses ajax. If you know of one I can try 
>> VO out with, please let me know. This is a slightly urgent request.
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: hint for lessening verbosity

[Larry Skutchan]

I only wish there were also a way to turn off notifications about data 
detecters, lists, and list items… It looks like you should be able to uncheck 
the name, state, and status, but this does not work. It looks like the settings 
want you to keep at least one of them on.
On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like 
> hearing more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to the 
> vo utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more options 
> checkbox, then interact with the table after it. You will see a column of 
> controls (checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of verbosity 
> settings so you cna configure the verbosity for each control type, and a 
> column of what order vo reads a given control's information in. Find the 
> control type, say checkbox, and then click the popup button in the second 
> column. Arrow down to customize and hit space. Now you are in a dialog with a 
> table; interact and adjust things as you want them. What I did was turn off 
> "type" for both checkboxes and disclosure triangles, since checkboxes are the 
> only controls that will be checked or unchecked, and disclosure triangles are 
> the only ones to be expanded or collapsed. This way I don't have to hear the 
> type of control if I can tell what it is from it's state. Hope that made 
> sense... someone is probably going to tell me there's an easier way to do it, 
> but that's what I came up with.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
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Re: hint for lessening verbosity

[Larry Skutchan]

No, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the data detector was in that list of 
controls.

On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Did you even find a setting for data detectors? Never mind getting read of 
> all 3 elements: Name status and type. Would love to reduce even by one.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online 
> stores.
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> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Larry Skutchan  wrote:
> 
>> I only wish there were also a way to turn off notifications about data 
>> detecters, lists, and list items… It looks like you should be able to 
>> uncheck the name, state, and status, but this does not work. It looks like 
>> the settings want you to keep at least one of them on.
>> On Jul 29, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> A quick hint for lessening verbosity. If you're like me and don't like 
>>> hearing more than you have to, you can turn off some control types. Go to 
>>> the vo utility, verbosity item, then the speech tab. Check the more options 
>>> checkbox, then interact with the table after it. You will see a column of 
>>> controls (checkboxes, links, headings, and so on), a column of verbosity 
>>> settings so you cna configure the verbosity for each control type, and a 
>>> column of what order vo reads a given control's information in. Find the 
>>> control type, say checkbox, and then click the popup button in the second 
>>> column. Arrow down to customize and hit space. Now you are in a dialog with 
>>> a table; interact and adjust things as you want them. What I did was turn 
>>> off "type" for both checkboxes and disclosure triangles, since checkboxes 
>>> are the only controls that will be checked or unchecked, and disclosure 
>>> triangles are the only ones to be expanded or collapsed. This way I don't 
>>> have to hear the type of control if I can tell what it is from it's state. 
>>> Hope that made sense... someone is probably going to tell me there's an 
>>> easier way to do it, but that's what I came up with.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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>>> 
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Re: Cool discovery about Notification Center in Mountain Lion

[Larry Skutchan]

You can actually just click an Notifications with the up and down arrow and it 
opens the Notification Center where you can turn on Do Not Disturb for 24 hours.
On Aug 19, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Christopher-Mark gilland  
wrote:

> If you didn't know about this, and did like I did and accidentally enabled 
> it, it could become really annoying, but I googled and figured out what I'd 
> done, and how, and now, it's actually quite nice, now that I know what I'm 
> doing.
> 
> So, here's what I found out.  If you go up into your extras menu bar area 
> where your icons are like the notification center, if you go over to the 
> notifications area, then make sure your actual mouse pointer is on the icon 
> with vo+command+F5, if you then click your literal mouse/track pad, sorry, 
> vo+command+space isn't gonna do the trick here, you literally! have to click 
> the actual mouse, but anyway, if you click the physical mouse, now here's the 
> trick though... while! holding down your option key, you're not gonna think 
> anything happened from a Voiceover standpoint, however, lookat what you just 
> did!  Vo away and then back to the notificatino center icon!
> 
> Cool! Huh!  You just toggled on Do not Disturb for one whole day, 24 hours! 
> Now, if you wanna toggle dnd back off, just do the same thing... 
> option+literally click the icon again.  Notice, this was not a typo on my 
> part.  I am perfectly aware that control clicking is your context shortcut 
> menu.  That isn't! what I'm talking about.  I do literally mean the option 
> key, not? the control key.
> 
> I just thought that was a cool little tip that I accidentally stumbled on, 
> totally by accident and would let you all know about.
> 
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Re: update for Vmware Fusion available - not looking like anything new in the accessibility department

[Larry Skutchan]

One way to get around these complicated keyboard issues is unloading VO from 
the native Mac side. It is easy to turn off and on, and sometimes, it is much 
quicker than trying to figure out key bypass commands.

On Nov 19, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Matthew,
> 
> One thing that was really interesting is that you can run Lion, SL, or even 
> Leopard. I don't know that this is entirely knew, but certainly new that it 
> is mentioned up front. The only bummer part of this is I have not found a way 
> to get VO to behave. I cannot turn VO on the host off and effectively control 
> VO in the VM. If I could do this, I would have some interesting options. So, 
> if anyone does figure this out let us know. SOmething tells me it won't be 
> particularly easy. Now I did notice that I could toggle VO in the VM on/off 
> without affecting the host machine, but where I encountered problems was if I 
> wanted to use VO navigation controls in the VM, VO on the host machine would 
> be affected. Complicated? Yeah, a little, but ah the potential.
> 
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone.
>> VMware Fusion 4.1 is out. Not sure how long it's been out but I just saw it 
>> today when I checked for updates for the heck of it.
>> I've updated and it doesn't look like theres anything new in the 
>> accessibility department. I personally think that this is okay. I've always 
>> found Fusion easy to use to get done the work that I need to do in windows.
>> There is however a new shortcut that can be used to put the VM in to full 
>> screen mode. It is Control Command F. The older keystroke can still be used 
>> if you wish as well. When you put the VM in to full screen, VO gets really 
>> chatty about what space you are in so be prepared for that.
>> Anyway, I hope this helps someone.
>> Sorry if you are seeing this information twice.
>> Matthew Campbell.
>> 
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Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.

[Larry Skutchan]

You can easily change channels, volume, and much more with hot keys or through 
the menu, but the built-in guide that lets you set up recordings is not 
accessible.

On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Hank Smith wrote:

> On 12/5/2011 4:46 PM, Vaughn Bennison wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I use eyetv, which from what I can gather is the only software available.  I 
>> think there used to be another one, but I can't remember it's name, and 
>> can't find it anyway.  EyeTV is from Elgato systems, and is almost 
>> completely inaccessible.  You can watch live TV, and you can with some 
>> mucking around set up the preferences etc, but you can't use the guide, and 
>> therefore you can't record shows easily.  You can however use the EyeTV app 
>> for IOS, which connects to your mac, and record shows that way, but not a 
>> full series only individual episodes--very annoying!
>> 
>> We've used it here for a year or so, and it seems to be OK, if you can live 
>> with the limitations.  The good thing is that if you can record something, 
>> the files are playable from finder.  And furthermore if you "show package 
>> contents" on one of the files, you can have it export to .m4v and play it 
>> with iTunes, or vlc.
>> 
>> Vaughn.
>> On 06/12/2011, at 1:09 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>>  
>>> Has anyone had any luck with connecting their mac to a satellite or cable 
>>> box to watch live TV from their provider? I’ve done this with Windows Media 
>>> Center with great success, but wondered if there’s any way to do it with 
>>> Macs. I know there are TV tuner cards that are compatible, but I’m not sure 
>>> of the accessibility of said software that’s included with the cards, and 
>>> don’t want to spend the money only to find out the software’s not 
>>> accessible with VoiceOver. 
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>  
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> when did the non blind friendlyness change?
> you used to be able to change channels and everything.
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Re: money talks or i bank?

[Larry Skutchan]

Sorry Paul, I must have missed that message.
APH is actually interested in doing a Mac version, but that's about all I can 
say about it for the moment.

On Dec 11, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:

> I don't believe there is a money talks for the mac; just one for windows.
> If there is indeed one for the mac, I would certainly like to know about it.
> I wrote to Larry Skutcon asking him if there would or could ever be a mac 
> version, but never got a reply. What would really be neat is if there were 
> one for the iPhone which could sync with a mac version.
> But, at this point, I'd settle for a mac version.
> Right now, I use VM-Ware fusion to run a virtual windows seven machine so I 
> can use money talks.
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:27 PM, Nancy Stevens wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>> I'm trying to decide whether to purchase the money talks program for Mac 
>> from American printing house or to learn the i bank program.
>> 
>> Any recommendations.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Nancy
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Re: Anyone Using Google Chrome with VO?

[Larry Skutchan]

Chrome works great with VO and is a very very nice browser. Once in a great 
while, it is necessary to use Safari for some accessibility reason, but most of 
the time, Chrome rocks.

On Feb 7, 2012, at 1:39 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 
> Upon a cursory look at vO with Google chrome, I notice no major accessibility 
> booboos. Does anyone else use VO successfully with this app? I'm finding that 
> I don't really care to use a separate voicing app for one particular web 
> browser, because I have to turn off VO, and turn it back on when switching 
> windows, and also, the two text-to-speech chrome extensions, Chromevox and 
> MetalMouth, do not work in parts of the browser other than the page content.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
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Re: Dealing with the standard save dialog from applications?

[Larry Skutchan]

Confusing as it is, turning off Quick Nav and using the Right Arrow to expand 
that folder seems to work.
On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote:

> Hello People:
> Just a quick question about working with the save dialog presented by 
> applications. I have the disclosure box checked. I use the side bar to select 
> what device or place I want to save the file. I then use the file list to 
> narrow it down and select a directory where I want the file to be saved. The 
> problem is when I find the directory using the VoiceOver cursor I can't seem 
> to open the directory in the file list that I want to use to save the file 
> in. How does one go about doing this?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Doug
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Re: Python

[Larry Skutchan]

It is, indeed, easy to write accessible GUI applications on the Mac in Python. 
One way to do it is with WX Widgets. This provides your program standard Mac 
controls that are accessible just like you see them in other programs. Check 
out the WX Widgets page at python.org.

On Jun 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've had some limited success with Python for Mac. I've gotten my programs to 
> run by writing them in a text editing file and then importing the code into 
> terminal. As far as I know, however, It's not possible to write accessible 
> GUIs in Python for Mac.
> 
> Rafael Bejarano
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries
> Subject: Python
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I am relatively inexperienced when it comes to programming, and am wondering 
> if any of you have had luck programming with Python on the Mac. I believe 
> that the Terminal allows for built-in functionality, yet I have also heard 
> that it cannot handle certain scripting which I will need to do for work. I 
> downloaded the Python IDLE for Mac, but it does not appear to be accessible 
> with VoiceOver. Does Windows or another OS work any better? Please let me 
> know if you have any suggestions. THanks.
> 
> Lindsay
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Re: Python

[Larry Skutchan]

You can write them either for Linux or the Mac GUI. I would sure love to see 
some of you talented coders at work on some great Mac applications.
I am still new to the Mac, but it looks like a pretty easy job to use wx 
widgets and Python. You still need a good editor to write these. So far, I'm 
fairly happy with Bean and, to some degree, Dashcode. Does anyone know of some 
better ones that are accessible? I know the editor in Eclipse is not useable as 
far as I can tell, but the rest of the system is and you can still use external 
editors. 

On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to create accessible GUIs with Python in Linux? If so, it 
> would be worth loading Linux onto my Mac.
> 
> Cordially,
> 
> Rafael 
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Watson [tkwatso...@gmail.com]
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Python
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have not found a good python editor for the MAC yet. I cheat. I have a 
> GNU/Linux VM that I use to edit my code with. I am more comfortable with VI 
> anyway.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've had some limited success with Python for Mac. I've gotten my programs 
>> to run by writing them in a text editing file and then importing the code 
>> into terminal. As far as I know, however, It's not possible to write 
>> accessible GUIs in Python for Mac.
>> 
>> Rafael Bejarano
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries
>> Subject: Python
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> I am relatively inexperienced when it comes to programming, and am wondering 
>> if any of you have had luck programming with Python on the Mac. I believe 
>> that the Terminal allows for built-in functionality, yet I have also heard 
>> that it cannot handle certain scripting which I will need to do for work. I 
>> downloaded the Python IDLE for Mac, but it does not appear to be accessible 
>> with VoiceOver. Does Windows or another OS work any better? Please let me 
>> know if you have any suggestions. THanks.
>> 
>> Lindsay
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Re: Python

[Larry Skutchan]

You got it brother!

On Jul 1, 2010, at 11:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Yeah Larry and where is that app I wrote to you about a while back. :) Yeah, 
> you have to do it cause you know you really want too. :) Your fingers are 
> already making the motions to generate the code. :)
> On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:25 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote:
> 
>> You can write them either for Linux or the Mac GUI. I would sure love to see 
>> some of you talented coders at work on some great Mac applications.
>> I am still new to the Mac, but it looks like a pretty easy job to use wx 
>> widgets and Python. You still need a good editor to write these. So far, I'm 
>> fairly happy with Bean and, to some degree, Dashcode. Does anyone know of 
>> some better ones that are accessible? I know the editor in Eclipse is not 
>> useable as far as I can tell, but the rest of the system is and you can 
>> still use external editors. 
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to create accessible GUIs with Python in Linux? If so, it 
>>> would be worth loading Linux onto my Mac.
>>> 
>>> Cordially,
>>> 
>>> Rafael 
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Keith Watson [tkwatso...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:24 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Python
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have not found a good python editor for the MAC yet. I cheat. I have a 
>>> GNU/Linux VM that I use to edit my code with. I am more comfortable with VI 
>>> anyway.
>>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I've had some limited success with Python for Mac. I've gotten my programs 
>>>> to run by writing them in a text editing file and then importing the code 
>>>> into terminal. As far as I know, however, It's not possible to write 
>>>> accessible GUIs in Python for Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Rafael Bejarano
>>>> 
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Lindsay Yazzolino [lindsay3...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:15 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries
>>>> Subject: Python
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I am relatively inexperienced when it comes to programming, and am 
>>>> wondering if any of you have had luck programming with Python on the Mac. 
>>>> I believe that the Terminal allows for built-in functionality, yet I have 
>>>> also heard that it cannot handle certain scripting which I will need to do 
>>>> for work. I downloaded the Python IDLE for Mac, but it does not appear to 
>>>> be accessible with VoiceOver. Does Windows or another OS work any better? 
>>>> Please let me know if you have any suggestions. THanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Lindsay
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Re: list of accessible programs on the mac

[Larry Skutchan]

This is actually a great idea.
I'll start the list with what I know if someone wants to post and manage it 
somewhere:

Abby Fine Reader Express (OCR)
Quicken Essentials (financial)
Eclipse (programming environment)
Bean (text editor)
Open Office is somewhat useable (Office suite)

Most of the Apple programs and most programs written in Java or Python. Look 
for CoCoa based Mac programs rather than Carbon based ones.

On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Some of the programs are a bit out of datebut that is a good site to start 
> off with.
> 
> S
> On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:13 PM, clarence griffin wrote:
> 
>> wow, what a job. you may want to try the  site.
>> http://www.lioncourt.com
>> 
>> GF
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote:
>> 
>>> hi to all on the list.
>>> i know that this may be a mission but i was wondering if a kind soul
>>> would be able to put up a list of programs that are accessible with
>>> voiceover and the mac?
>>> the reason i aks this is that there maybe programs that i have not
>>> heard of that may come in handy one day. an example would be
>>> amidaeous.
>>> what is ththis program exactly?
>>> thanks for your time and probibly saint like patients
>>> Liam
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Re: webkit/safari and bct

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Sorry Cody. The folks at bct got your podcast. We are currently running into 
problems related to getting time to review and post. We hope to get back on 
track in the middle of July when returning from travel.
On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Cody Hurst wrote:

> Good morning all,
> 
> When going on the submissions page of blind cool tech I see 2 choose buttons, 
> a reset button and an upload button. instincts tell me that one of the choose 
> buttons should be or actually is something else, but in fact, they both open 
> a find dialogue. I was thinking perhaps it was a podcast description text 
> field, because it still hasn't shown up on the main bct page and others have 
> since then, and I've even reuploaded. So I may not be doing something right 
> on the uploads page, and for the life of me cannot figure out the bct ftp 
> upload site. So now apparently I've uploaded my podcast twice and even had 
> sent an email to the gmail address and have still  not heard a response. 
> kinda frustrating. I know this is a bit off topic but I'm thinking that one 
> of the choose buttons is something key IU'm missing to why it's not showing 
> up on the page, as the upload page isn't very detailed so I really am 
> clueless as to why nothings working. and even after I had uploaded mine, 
> there was one up a bit later and mine still hasn't shown up.
> 
> 
> Anyway I'll stop rambling
> Cody
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Re: problems with safari & google

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For some reason, you can still do a google search from the search widget. It 
looks like it loads the exact same page of results, but doing it from the 
Google page sure makes VO unhappy.
On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Pete,
> 
> I found out that in trying to do a search with Google VO will quit and 
> restart.  I found the only way to do a search on google is to use Webkit. I 
> hope that helps. I thought this bug was fixed  with the release of the new 
> Safari, but I guess not. I hope I've been of some help. Have a great day.
> 
> Musically,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 10:34 AM, peter apgar wrote:
> 
>> Good day,
>> 
>>   I have been able to use google until this morning.  After editing 
>> one's search criteria VO comes back with an empty window.  Has something 
>> changed so that google is no longer accessible?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Pete
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Re: re-safari and google

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Signing in did not help for me. Resetting the browser does not seem to help 
either. Bing does, but the results are so much less accurate. You can, for some 
reason, use the widget to initiate a search though, and that works fine.
On Aug 24, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Here lately, I have had not a single issue with 
> 
> www.google.com
> crashing on me.  I suspect that this is because I've signed in to my Google 
> account.  Somebody here speculated that this is why they too no longer have 
> issues; and, judging by what I've seen thus far, I'd have to agree.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Aug 24, 2010, at 4:08 AM, chad baker wrote:
> 
> Hi guys i'm having the same problem with google crashes vo.
> I changed my homepage to bing and everything is good.
> i'm getting webkit though.
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Re: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet

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One great way to find the article if you are using Safari is to use the reader. 
Just press Command+Shift+R. They should have mentioned that in the article, 
too. It is a great tool to get to the meat of the page.
On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

> If you do a search for "your eyes" without the quotes, it will take
> you to the first line of the article there by skipping all the rubbish
> thats before it.
> 
> It's a pretty interesting read, although I don't really agree with the
> hole most iPhone apps are inaccessible thing. Also, did anyone notice
> that they hadn't described the picture at the end of the post?
> 
> On 25/08/2010, Isaac Obie  wrote:
>> Jerry,
>> How do I find the article listed in this email? I went online but I can't
>> find the article? What might I be doing wrong or not doing? thanks
>> Isaac
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brett Campbell" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 5:51 PM
>> Subject: Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet
>> 
>> 
>>> I thought some in the group might find this article interesting.
>>> 
>>> Gizmodo: Giz Explains: How Blind People See the Internet
>>> http://gizmodo.com/5620079/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Brett C.
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Re: rss readers out there after google reader demise

[Larry Skutchan]

Have you tried Viana? It is free and very accessible.

On Jun 27, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> If anyone uses google reader extensively, does anyone have a replacement 
> reader that syncs somewhere and can provide rss on the desktop instead of 
> those slow and annoying web based rss readers?
> 
> I'm trying to find the best solution, and already going through a lot of 
> obstacles with google not being accessible for downloading my list of feeds, 
> netnewswire's new interface having lost accessibility, etc.
> 
> Nightmare 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> 
> 
> 
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Re: How do I edit cell contents in Numbers?

[Larry Skutchan]

This one got me, too. It is Option+Enter to open the cell for editing.

On Oct 8, 2013, at 12:48 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I went ahead and got Numbers. It is good that we can arrow around the grid, 
> at least until there is editing to be done. I can type and have the text 
> entered into the focused cell, but how do i then edit what I typed? 
> Interacting does not work, and deleting without interacting seemed to clear 
> the entire row. I tried enter, like the rename command in Finder, but that 
> just seemed to jump me around randomly. I can't find an edit option in the 
> menus, so it must be something simple, but what? How do I change cell 
> contents in Numbers? Thanks, and sorry in advance - I will very likely have a 
> bunch of questions about this app as I get to know it.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
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Re: Apple TV to stereo receiver

[Larry Skutchan]

I am using one with a digital audio cable to the receiver, and it works 
well--you get the full 5.1.
Note, I have tried using HDMI to the TV. I have TV audio going into the stereo, 
but the audio from Apple TV does not get passed on to the receiver from the TV.

Also note, I cannot get HDMI input from Apple TV to stereo to show up on the 
screen. A direct connection to TV seems required. Other HDMI inputs from the 
receiver show up on the screen.

I have read that Apple is trying to prevent piracy, but this seems pretty far 
fetched.

On Jan 8, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> I don't have an AppleTV (used a MacMini hooked to my receiver) but the specs 
> say that one of the ports is a Optical Audio connection in addition to the 
> HDMI port. So I would assume that this optical output could be connected to 
> the square DVD optical input using typical optical home theater audio cables.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 1/8/13 8:10 PM, Eric Caron wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>>  I am interested in purchasing a Apple TB to use with my stereo 
>> receiver.  I'm not sure how to  do this as I understand the Apple TV has a 
>> HDMI output  and my receiver has something called a DVD optical in put, that 
>> is square.  A single port called a digital input that is round. and analogue 
>> input with RCA jacks.
>> 
>>  Can anyone let me know if they are using a Apple TV with a stereo 
>> receiver, and let me know if any of my input options could work?
>> 
>> Eric Caron
>> 
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Re: Losing VO after sleep

[Larry Skutchan]

I get this as well on my 2012 Mac Book Pro.
After verifying I have sound with the volume keys, I can press Command+f5 four 
times to revive VO.


On Feb 20, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> upon waking from sleep mode, often VO will not speak. I have to mess around 
> with the volume keys to get some system sounds going, then turn VO off and 
> back on a few times before it will finally come up talking. It takes about 
> two or three minutes to do all this and get VO talking again.
>  
> it doesn't happen consistently, but more often than not, VO will go silent 
> after sleep mode, or a prolonged period of computer inactivity.
>  
> Actually, it seems to be tied into system sounds, since I won't get any of 
> the thunking, beeping, quacking sounds that occur when you do something to 
> invoke a system sound, whether VO is turned on or not. So, maybe it's not a 
> VO problem but a system problem?
>  
> Any ideas suggestions or advice are welcome - it's getting a little annoying.
>  
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Re: Speaking New Line when reading using voice over

[Larry Skutchan]

That would be really nice, but if there is a way to prevent it from saying "new 
line," I would love to know it, too. I consider this right up there with the 
inability of not having a way to make it stop announcing lists and tables in a 
web page as probably the two most annoying, non-productive time wasters in the 
program. That sounds really negative, but it is not meant to be. I hope this 
can be addressed in a future version of VO.

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> When I use voice over and tell it to read the entire doc or note/message, it 
> always says New Line. Is there a way to stop VoiceOver from saying that?
> 
> Kev
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Re: files and folders

[Larry Skutchan]

Vic, here is a quick and more powerful way to move files and folders.
Go to the terminal application and learn the file and folder layout there.
You can use the mv command to do what you need in a very powerful way indeed.
On May 9, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> 
> Thanks for the info. I have been meaning to try Automator out for a while, 
> but just never seem to quite get to it. I followed the instructions and 
> although it worked, I continue to get some critical error that seems to not 
> affect the operation for the most part. I think I need to understand what is 
> going on on the backend and that will make this much easier. In other words, 
> if I learn the scripting that goes on behind the scenes, I will be able to 
> understand what automator is doing. However, very cool and just looking at 
> what is available in the automator, it is very powerful and now I have the 
> push I needed to find time to study this.
> 
> THanks,
> On May 9, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Vic,
>> 
>> Here's an Automator work flow to do what you want. It was posted by Yuma 
>> Antoine Decaux a little while ago.
>> 
>> 
>> 1- Open Automator
>> 2-It will ask you to choose from a template. Right arrow until you find 
>> services, then press return.
>> 3-at this stage, VO should say name. VO right arrow until you are on the 
>> actions description split view. interact with it
>> 4-you should be now in action library view. interact with it. Its an 
>> expandable element. go down to files and folders.
>> 5-VO right arrow till you get to the actions, and choose down the list to 
>> move finder items. Note:at this stage, things might seem a bit sluggish, but 
>> it will go away, and only happens once every 3rd session.
>> 6-press return. you should now have created an action to define, and VO 
>> should say   move finder items. Interact with it
>> 7-VO left until VO says text in service action selected any application 
>> replaces selected text. This is a group you interact with, in which there 
>> are static texts and pressable dropbox menus.
>> 8-VO to text, VO space bar and choose files and folders in the list. Then VO 
>> right to any applications, VO space bar again and choose finder in the list 
>> of choices.
>> 9-stop interacting with the group, VO right to move finder items, and 
>> interact with that.
>> 10-go right until you find the options check box. check it.
>> -11-VO right to show this action when the workflow runs.
>> 13-save the file with command S, call the service whatever you want.
>> 
>> You will now have a service for moving files and folders in your contextual 
>> menu VO shift M, or control mouse click.
>> 
>> If you want something faster than a contextual menu, you can bind the 
>> automator service to a keypress.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> On May 9, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm really thunderstruck and I don't know what to say. How does one do
>>> without this basic function of computing then?I think I don't like the
>>> derection this is headed but I am here now so what would be my options
>>> towards getting my work done in an efficient manner?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Again, thanks for any help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vic
>>> 
>>> _  
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: files and folders
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> .sadly you cannot cut and paste. I don't like it but that's just the way it
>>> is.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> take care.
>>> 
>>> On May 9, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> First I tried command-x only to realize that it is dimmed out on the edit
>>> menu. Command-c and command-v works though but without the command-x, I have
>>> to go back to the folder where I coppied the files to delete all the files I
>>> just copied to the other folder. It is taking so much time cause it is
>>> acctually copying the files instead of just changing the point of reference
>>> as command-x then command-c will do. Is there a setting I am missing? Why is
>>> my edit menu having this dimmed item? It is tedious to be going back and
>>> forth folders first to select then copy,  go to another folder and paste,
>>> then go back to the source files and delete but right now, that is the only
>>> way I know And there is very little I do know cause it is all new to me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The second that I tried is to learn or at least try my skills at drag and
>>> drop but I haven't gotten the hang of it yet so far. What am I doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> _  
>>> 
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfRob Lambert
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:57 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: files and folders
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What methods have you tried th

Re: files and folders

[Larry Skutchan]

You are right, this scripting is powerful and I look forward to learning how 
far we can go to script VO with Applescript. The combination of Terminal and 
scripting is also a powerful tool worth learning.
Vic, you are right, the bash shell for Unix is like DOS but a whole lot cooler. 
Just type "help" to get started learning it. One thing I also love about it 
over DOS is the filename completion feature and how well it all works with VO.
I do have a couple of questions about VO I have on my list though that I have 
just not been able to find an answer about. Maybe some of you experts could 
provide the scoop on these:

1. Is there a way to make VO quit saying "New Line" when using the Read All 
function to read a document. I tried turning down the punctuation verbosity 
which is one place it might have been, but it makes no difference. I just want 
to read a document for contents many times and can usually tell from the 
context where here are separations in the text.
2. Also, along the same lines, I would love to be notified about data detector 
present with just a nice click and not the verbal announcement. Can that 
wording be turned off without actually turning off the feature in the editor?
3. When you are using Read All to, say, read an email message, is there a way 
to skip sections and continue to be in the Read All mode? In other words, say 
someone answers a message and you are reading it with Read All then the header 
for the original message appears at the end. Many times, one would like to read 
the original message without all the details of when and where it was sent, and 
I love the fact that you can just hit down arrow quickly a few times to skip 
past it, but It would really be neat if VO reacted to navigation keys in Read 
All mode by acting on the navigation key and continuing the Reading.

On May 9, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Yep, this is the most efficient way I would agree, but for those folks who 
> are not familiar with Unix commands or would not be comfortable in Terminal, 
> the Automator process offers a solution. I personally find the Terminal 
> easier, but I'm still curious what I can do with the scripts as well. I'm 
> wondering how complex an operation can be using a script. Just feel like the 
> envelope needs to be stretched. :)
> On May 9, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote:
> 
>> Vic, here is a quick and more powerful way to move files and folders.
>> Go to the terminal application and learn the file and folder layout there.
>> You can use the mv command to do what you need in a very powerful way indeed.
>> On May 9, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Anne,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the info. I have been meaning to try Automator out for a while, 
>>> but just never seem to quite get to it. I followed the instructions and 
>>> although it worked, I continue to get some critical error that seems to not 
>>> affect the operation for the most part. I think I need to understand what 
>>> is going on on the backend and that will make this much easier. In other 
>>> words, if I learn the scripting that goes on behind the scenes, I will be 
>>> able to understand what automator is doing. However, very cool and just 
>>> looking at what is available in the automator, it is very powerful and now 
>>> I have the push I needed to find time to study this.
>>> 
>>> THanks,
>>> On May 9, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Vic,
>>>> 
>>>> Here's an Automator work flow to do what you want. It was posted by Yuma 
>>>> Antoine Decaux a little while ago.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1- Open Automator
>>>> 2-It will ask you to choose from a template. Right arrow until you find 
>>>> services, then press return.
>>>> 3-at this stage, VO should say name. VO right arrow until you are on the 
>>>> actions description split view. interact with it
>>>> 4-you should be now in action library view. interact with it. Its an 
>>>> expandable element. go down to files and folders.
>>>> 5-VO right arrow till you get to the actions, and choose down the list to 
>>>> move finder items. Note:at this stage, things might seem a bit sluggish, 
>>>> but it will go away, and only happens once every 3rd session.
>>>> 6-press return. you should now have created an action to define, and VO 
>>>> should say   move finder items. Interact with it
>>>> 7-VO left until VO says text in service action selected any application 
>>>> replaces selected text. This is a group you interact with, in which there 
>>>> are st

Re: files and folders

[Larry Skutchan]

I could be wrong, but I think there is some philosophical reason why Apple 
doesn't want cut and paste in the Finder. I think the debate has been going on 
since the introduction of the Mac back in the 80's.
On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

> while this is something I've gotten used to, it is a puzzler that i can move 
> messages in mail from one folder to another within mail but can't do the same 
> thing in finder.  and this was one of the first things I had to get used to 
> with a mac.  I've finally adjusted to where I open to finder windows do my 
> copy and paste and then delete.  perhaps this is something we should ask mac 
> accessibilty about.  I know its not an accessibility issue but it might be a 
> way of getting the concern forwarded to the apple developers.  good luck, Max 
> On May 9, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
> 
>> Sorry  but I think you missed my exact point. As I've said, That is the very 
>> nature of my work and  I  do  it  all  day,  namely  move files and folders. 
>> And yes it really matters if we are talking about lots and lots of clips in 
>> the gigabyte.
>>  
>> When we're talking of cutting and pasting files,  we  are talking 
>> essentially about moving files but really just moving pointers and not 
>> really  copying the files themselves. No. A move operation is different from 
>> a copy operation. Moving  changes  the  file's  index,  while copying 
>> duplicates the bits of the file into a new location.  The former is 
>> instantaneous. The latter takes time that is proportional to the size of the 
>> file.
>>  
>> Thus,  using cut and paste to move say 2 gigs on to another location would 
>> only take less than a  second.  Where  as,  if  I  copied the files to the 
>> new location, it would take a much much longer  time  not to mention that I 
>> have to go back to the other folder to delete the original files, then that 
>> too will take time. Multiply this by the hundred and surely my work is 
>> endangered to someone who could drag and drop all day without a blink.
>>  
>> So with all due respect, how does this scenario not affect my  productivity? 
>>  Are  you  still  going  to  ask  "How is this such a central part of 
>> getting anything done?" I came to this list to resolve Issues and not to 
>> argue personal points cause it will  be  a total waste of both our time. 
>> Since you mentioned that you have been using the mac for  five  years,  and 
>> I said that I only about over a week, I would sincerely be grateful for all  
>> or  any  of your input. I'm wondering though that you choose to miss my 
>> point and seem to ignore my predicament. I'm only here to learn. Please, I 
>> just need to make this work.
>>  
>> Thanks. Vic
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:32 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: files and folders
>>  
>> Vic,
>>  
>> How is this such a central part of getting anything done. We are talking 
>> about moving files from one place to another. Yes it adds one more step, but 
>> surely you are not moving such massive quantities of files all  day? This is 
>> annoying perhaps for some, but after five years of using the Mac OS, I have 
>> not found this to be all that difficult. True, I wish there was a better 
>> implementation for drag and drop and I would encourage you to drop a note to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com and express your desire for a more efficient drag 
>> and drop feature. However, I would not consider the loss of cut and paste to 
>> be a basic computing function at all.
>>  
>> On May 9, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I'm really thunderstruck and I don't know what to say. How does one do 
>> without this basic function of computing then?I think I don't like the 
>> derection this is headed but I am here now so what would be my options 
>> towards getting my work done in an efficient manner?
>>  
>> Again, thanks for any help.
>>  
>> Vic
>>  
>> 
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Re: files and folders

[Larry Skutchan]

cerpt.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Tinker Tweak wrote:
> 
>> Larry,
>> 
>> Yes! I just saw the terminal application just tonight. I have the feeling
>> that that is something like a command line with a GUI interface. I think
>> I'll thrive in it cause I used to be so very comfortable in DOS. Now I have
>> to learn the syntax for this OS. Typeing long path and file names will be
>> interesting though. Were I 20 years younger, I'd just teach myself
>> programming in this platform but now programming was a life lived and not a
>> life I'd want to have again.Awe, that old life with ASAP and Pascal
>> 
>> Thank you and so good to have met you here.
>> Vic
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Skutchan
>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:00 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: files and folders
>> 
>> Vic, here is a quick and more powerful way to move files and folders.
>> Go to the terminal application and learn the file and folder layout there.
>> You can use the mv command to do what you need in a very powerful way
>> indeed.
>> On May 9, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Anne,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the info. I have been meaning to try Automator out for a while,
>> but just never seem to quite get to it. I followed the instructions and
>> although it worked, I continue to get some critical error that seems to not
>> affect the operation for the most part. I think I need to understand what is
>> going on on the backend and that will make this much easier. In other words,
>> if I learn the scripting that goes on behind the scenes, I will be able to
>> understand what automator is doing. However, very cool and just looking at
>> what is available in the automator, it is very powerful and now I have the
>> push I needed to find time to study this.
>>> 
>>> THanks,
>>> On May 9, 2010, at 4:31 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Vic,
>>>> 
>>>> Here's an Automator work flow to do what you want. It was posted by Yuma
>> Antoine Decaux a little while ago.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1- Open Automator
>>>> 2-It will ask you to choose from a template. Right arrow until you find
>> services, then press return.
>>>> 3-at this stage, VO should say name. VO right arrow until you are on the
>> actions description split view. interact with it
>>>> 4-you should be now in action library view. interact with it. Its an
>> expandable element. go down to files and folders.
>>>> 5-VO right arrow till you get to the actions, and choose down the list to
>> move finder items. Note:at this stage, things might seem a bit sluggish, but
>> it will go away, and only happens once every 3rd session.
>>>> 6-press return. you should now have created an action to define, and VO
>> should say   move finder items. Interact with it
>>>> 7-VO left until VO says text in service action selected any application
>> replaces selected text. This is a group you interact with, in which there
>> are static texts and pressable dropbox menus.
>>>> 8-VO to text, VO space bar and choose files and folders in the list. Then
>> VO right to any applications, VO space bar again and choose finder in the
>> list of choices.
>>>> 9-stop interacting with the group, VO right to move finder items, and
>> interact with that.
>>>> 10-go right until you find the options check box. check it.
>>>> -11-VO right to show this action when the workflow runs.
>>>> 13-save the file with command S, call the service whatever you want.
>>>> 
>>>> You will now have a service for moving files and folders in your
>> contextual menu VO shift M, or control mouse click.
>>>> 
>>>> If you want something faster than a contextual menu, you can bind the
>> automator service to a keypress.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> On May 9, 2010, at 10:09 AM, Tinker Tweak wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm really thunderstruck and I don't know what to say. How does one do
>>>>> without this basic function of computing then?I think I don't like the
>>>>> derection this is headed but I am here now so what would be my options
>>>>> towards getting my work done in an efficient manner?
>>&g

Re: terminal with finder was:

[Larry Skutchan]

Vim has always been funny with its cursor. I just ran emacs, and VO followis 
its cursor fine. There are other editors as well like Pico, Nano, and more, and 
I imagine they'll all work fine with the cursor.
Vim had this problem with other screen readers, too, if I remember correctly.
On May 10, 2010, at 6:15 AM, William Windels wrote:

> Hello,
> I have downloaded a program, (a collection of workflows) on 
> www.automation.com.
> The name of the package is: 
> UNIX Services Installer.pkg  
> 
> This package add some services in all applications and you can add a hockey 
> to it with the keyboard option in the system preferences.
> 
> I use very often the service: "new terminal to insert location"
> I have add a hockey to it and:
> When I am in finder on my usbdisk, I press the hockey and terminal is opening 
> on that folder without doing a sudo-command or a cd-command.
> 
> This is very nice if you want e.g. to change the extension of multiple files 
> or remove multiple files.
> I can do e.g.: rm *.ini, to remove all .ini-files in the current directory.
> This goes much faster then selecting every ini-file in the finder.
> 
> I am very happy with this.
> 
> But, I have still another frustration in the terminal with vo:
> While using "Vim", the default editor of a unix-terminal or perhaps some 
> other programs in the terminal, there is no vo-function to jump to the cursor.
> I mean, while reading a text in vim with the brailledisplay or perhaps the 
> vo-arrows, you can move around the text without limitations so, also in areas 
> where the keyboard-cursor can't come.
> Then, you need a function to jump to the position where the keyboard-focus  
> is putted the last time you have moved the keyboard-focus.
> 
> I don't know any function in vo that can do this task.
> 
> If someone has some ideas, pls let me know, on the list or private.
> 
> best regards,
> William 
> Op 10-mei-2010, om 11:23 heeft Larry Skutchan het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> One other option that I would love to explore are some of the text based 
>> file management programs. I remember one from years ago that worked well 
>> with speech called Midnight Commander, but there are probably lots more of 
>> them out there now. I don't know how well they would work with VO, but I bet 
>> it would be pretty nice.
>> On May 9, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Vic,
>>> 
>>> I usually keep the terminal application as one of the apps in my dock, or 
>>> your can launch it from Finder by using Command-Shift-U (the shortcut for 
>>> the Utilities folder), then pressing "T" (to go to terminal), followed by 
>>> Command-Down Arrow (to launch).  The default Unix shell you're using 
>>> supports tab completion of path and filenames.  This means that you don't 
>>> have to type out long file names or paths in full -- you only need to type 
>>> as much of the file or folder name to uniquely specify the file or folder, 
>>> and then press the tab key.  Let's say that under your home directory you 
>>> have a folder called "Documents" and another named "Downloads".  You want 
>>> to move to the Documents folder to examine some files by using the "cd" 
>>> command in terminal to change your directory. On the command line in 
>>> terminal, you only need to type "cd"  (without quotes) followed by a space 
>>> followed and then type the first few letters of the folder "D o c" and then 
>>> press the tab key.  When you press tab, the rest of the folder name will be 
>>> supplied by the shell, and you only need to press the "Return" key to 
>>> execute the command.  If you had just typed "D o" and pressed tab, you 
>>> would have been informed of the two folders that matched your entry, 
>>> "Downloads" and "Documents", and then you would be presented with the 
>>> command you had typed.  You could then type the "c" and press tab (to 
>>> successfully complete the command) and press "Return" to execute it.
>>> 
>>> Similarly, if I want to navigate to a file within some subfolders, I would 
>>> just type the parts of my folders needed to uniquely identify the 
>>> subfolders, and press tab to let the system complete the name.  Each time I 
>>> needed to move to a sub-folder, I would type a slash for the separator, 
>>> then type a few letters of the start of the subdirectory name, then press 
>>> tab, then continue until the full file path was laid out, at which poin

Re: quicken or quick books voiceover accessibility?

[Larry Skutchan]

Quicken Essentials works great. I don't think the other two do. They also give 
you 60 days to get a full refund.
On May 18, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Cameron wrote:

> Hi all.  has anyone tried Quicken essentials 2010, Quicken deluxe, or, quick
> books with voiceover?  If so, what were your findings?  I can't seem to find
> a trial version of Quicken for Mac.  I did e mail their customer service
> department, but, who knows if I'll actually get a response.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Cameron.
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Re: Safari Navigation shortcuts for use with searches [was Re: Mail and trash]

[Larry Skutchan]

One other option that also works well is to set google to open search result 
links in a new window. When you finish with the window, you can use Command+, 
to close that page and return to the results page with your cursor right on the 
link you just used.
On May 22, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Carolyn,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
>> Quick question:
>> Hope it's not too soon to bug you:).
>> 
>> I'm now doing some research on the Mac (yay!) and have googled some terms.  
>> I'm clicking on articles to read them, and able to download what I need to, 
>> or email it to myself.  But having finished an article, I can't figure out 
>> how to go bak to my google listing of results.  This is actually really 
>> exciting, breaking new ground as independently as I can.
> 
> Here are a few shortcuts for you to try working with Safari. First, to move 
> backwards or forwards a page, any of the following pairs of shortcut 
> combinations will work (pick the one you like):
> Command+Left Arrow = move back a page
> Command+Right Arrow = move forward a page
> or,
> Command+Left Bracket = move back a page
> Command+Right Bracket = move forward a page
> or,
> Delete = move back a page
> Shift+Delete = move forward a page
> 
> There's another shortcut that lets you snap back to a Google search results 
> page, but it only works when you do the search with the Google search bar 
> shortcut combination of Command+Option+F.  When I run a Google search in 
> Safari, I press Command+Option+F to go to the Google search bar, then I type 
> in my search terms and press Return to bring up the Google search results.
> 
> When I investigate specific links, I can either move back through previous 
> pages with Command+Left Bracket or Command+Left Arrow to return to my search 
> results page, or I can use the Command+Option+S "Search Results Snapback" 
> shortcut.  Command+Option+S will route me back to the last Google search 
> results that I ran with Command+Option+F on the Google search bar.  (You can 
> remember the "F" for "Find" and the "S" for "Snapback". The shortcuts for 
> "Forward", "Back", and "Search Results Snapback" are listed in the History 
> menu on the Safari menu bar.  Just use VO-M, press "H", and arrow down to 
> find them.
> 
> I usually keep my Safari bookmarks bar and toolbar hidden, but toggle them on 
> or off with Command-Shift-B and Command-Shift-Backslash when I need to 
> examine them.  The Google Search bar is on the Safari toolbar, but the 
> Command+Option+F shortcut for doing the Google search will open the toolbar 
> to do the search, then close it up again as soon as the search results are 
> listed.   That way, the toolbar and bookmarks bar locations stay out of the 
> way when I tab or navigate with my VO+arrow keys, or when I use item chooser 
> menu.
> 
> HTH.  Just use the forward and back key combinations if using the search 
> results snapback shortcut doesn't seem intuitive.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
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Re: vinux 3.0 on bootcamp

[Larry Skutchan]

How are you getting the volume level up where you can hear it. I always have to 
go to Ubuntu's System Settings and raise the volume there. It is fine until I 
reboot where it returns to such a low level that it is very difficult to hear.
I suspect this should work under Boot Camp just as well if not better.
On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:03 PM, chad baker wrote:

> Hi has anyone ever tried vinux 3.0 on bootcamp?
> I just downloaded it it works fine in fusion.
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Re: reading emails with braille

[Larry Skutchan]

After you press Enter, interact with the message, then you will be able to read 
and scroll through it with your display.
. 
On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:55 AM, Anouk Radix wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I am exploring the new mail for the first time. I am a heavy braille user and 
> while the message table and conversations itself work well with braille when 
> I hit enter on a message while it is read by speech I can't seem to read it 
> with the braille display.
> Is it still possible to read incoming mail messages with the braille display?
> Thanks in advance,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: Google working to improve its accessibility (fwd)

[Larry Skutchan]

And you owe it to yourself to check out these improvements. This is
very impressive. I am writing this email with the gmail online
interface, and that has always been an excersize in frustration in the
past, at least for me.
This is excellent. We look forward to continuing success with this project.


On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Karen Lewellen
 wrote:
> Sharing here in case others have not seen this.  Google should know how
> diverse access is these days, and that keeping the baseline access in place
> helps everyone.
>
> Share far and wide,
> Karen
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:59:18 -0700
> Subject: Google working to improve its accessibility
>
>
>
> Google is announcing work that is in progress to increase the accessibility
> of its products. The announcement says:
> we hope these improvements will make it easier to use our products.
> To answer your questions and discuss how our accessibility updates affect
> blind users, we*d like to invite you to join us for a webinar on September
> 21.  We will be focusing on updates for Google Docs, Google Sites and
> Google Calendar.
> Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:00pm-1:00pm PT
> Sign up here<
> https://docs.google.com/a/google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dENrOHBmV2FXaHhUQUt3QVBMY1k4Q3c6MQ
>
> To learn more about accessibility features in Google Apps, please visit our
> help center
> 
> For information more generally about using Google products with screen
> readers, how to send us feedback and how to track our progress, visit
> google.com/accessibility.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> It's never too late to become what you might have been. George Eliot
> Once you choose hope, anything's possible.  Christopher Reeve
> Norman Coombs norm.coo...@gmail.com
>
> Making Online Teaching Accessible: Inclusive Course Design for Students
> with Disabilities by Norman Coombs published by Jossey-Bass Oct 10,2010
> http://www.josseybass.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470499044.html
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Re: Google Chrome, ChromeVox, and Apps

[Larry Skutchan]

Another nice feature would be that Chrome Vox would remain silent when Chrome 
does not have focus.

On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> This would be where activities in Voiceover would really come in handy. Let's 
> say that there was a setting to temporarily put VO to sleep, is there such a 
> beast? If so, one could do an activity that was for Chrome and that put VO to 
> sleep as long as you were in chrome, but when you got out of it, VO would 
> work as expected. Unfortunately however, i don't think such a setting exists. 
> Maybe one should put in a suggestion for this to Apple a11y.
> 
> /Krister
> 27 sep 2011 kl. 16:16 skrev Chris Blouch:
> 
>> Odd. So you have to disable the screen reader to use it? What if I want to 
>> flip over to answer a Skype or IM while I'm wordprocessing? How will I even 
>> know that someone is calling? What if I want to navigate to the finder and 
>> copy a file? Howabout reading my email in mail app to copy paste some text 
>> into a Google Doc file? Requiring the screen reader to be turned off for 
>> their web app to work seems very problematic.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 9/27/11 8:36 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>> Hi Krister,
>>> Pleas see response below inline.
>>> On 9/27/11, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
 Hi,
 Chrome is as i recall and judging of how it looks on the web page
 opensource, which according to my experience means very messy web site and
 documentation.
>>> ChroemVox and parts of Chrome are open source, but website and
>>> documentation are very nicely laid out, efficient, andeffective.
 Having said all this, i would like to know where i can obtain
 the chromevox extention. So i wonder where to get the extention. can i get
 it directly from chrome using something or other to get extentions?
>>> Please see my original message, which started this thread, which is
>>> still part of conversation and contained within this message for all
>>> the links to all the details you'll need to get going.
 Do i have to turn vo off every time i want to use the browser?
>>> Yes, it's one very effective and effective command away, CMD-F5.
 /Krister
 27 sep 2011 kl. 13:56 skrev Kevin Chao:
 
> HI Paul,
> 
> Please see response below inline.
> 
> On 9/27/11, Paul Erkens  wrote:
>> Hi Kevin,
>> What things did you actually achieve with the google stuff you are so
>> happy
>> about? Google docs has been a problem for a long time. I know that people
>> have been working on it in cooperation with google, and that alone is
>> already exciting, but I'm curious about a few things before I dive in.
> As a college student and  an employee where professors, students, and
> co-workers are all using Google Docs. It's extremely exciting,
> empowering, and equalizing that I am able to use it as well with a
> consistent and unified experience on Mac OS X and other platforms. For
> me, Mac OS X with the various productivity/office suite and web
> browser have not allowed me to be productive, such as iWork (also
> tried Open Office, Libra Office, Bean, and Tables)  and Safari (also
> tried Webkit and Lightning) have not allowed me to be productive.
> However, Google has changed all of this. With Chrome, ChromeVox, Docs,
> and other Google Apps; I am able to be productive on my Mac.
>> 1. When you start to use chrome, which is just another browser, like
>> safari
>> is the main one on the mac, can you use the chrome browser with voiceover
>> to
>> start with?
> Voiceover will work with Chrome, but the very same issues that occurs
> with Safari will exist, such as focus lost, inability to interact with
> HTML content, web rotor/item chooser missing elements/items, lag, TAB
> key being inconsistent, moving among various HTML elements will
> require several attempts, and many other issues.
>> 2. If you can, what does the chromevox extension give you on top of it?
>> If
>> you can not use chrome with voiceover, does chrome plus chromevox then
>> give
>> you equal performance than safari does, when visiting other websites? In
>> other words, would you say that chrome is a good replacement for safari?
> ChromeVox is an extension that has very deep integration with Chrome,
> removes several layers of abstractions, and allows for things to be
> done that traditional desktop screen readers cannot due to it being a
> web browser extension. All the issues I detailed with Safari/VoiceOver
> do not exist in Chrome/ChromeVox.
>> 3. When using google docs, is it true that many people can work on a
>> document simultaneously, and can you now easily see who changed what?
> Yes, all of this is possible with Docs, is accessible, and it's
> possible to use other real-time features, such as chat to discuss
> various points with others who you are collaborating with, several can
>

Re: Attaching a file in apple Mail seems ridiculous

[Larry Skutchan]

Another thing to do is turn off quick nab and use right arrow to expand the 
folder.

On Nov 13, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Gavin wrote:

> Hi David,
> 
> I've come across this behaviour as well. It seems that, on the Mac, we don't 
> have 2 different browser dialogs. On Windows, you have an open file dialog 
> and a browse for folder dialog. On the Mac the normal open file dialog is 
> shown, and whether or not entire folders will be selected depends on the 
> application it's used in. In mail, for example, to open items in the dialog, 
> I always use Command-Down Arrow, as Command-O assumes you want the entire 
> folder.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gavin
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> On 13 Nov 2011, at 2:18 PM, David Eagle wrote:
> 
>> Here we go again. Just as me and the Mac start to get along, the Mac goes 
>> and does something completely ridiculous. This time I'm trying to send a 
>> file attachment in Apple Mail. I'min list view. I like list view and use it 
>> all the time for various rings but it seems as if Apple Mail doesn't like 
>> list view at all. I select the downloads folder. Normaly you press Command O 
>> to open that folder and you're then presented with the files in that folder. 
>> So I press command O on my downloads folder and the stupid thing announces 
>> that Mail is busy and then after some time proceeds to attach the whole 5 
>> gig folder. This is completely different behaviour to how list view works in 
>> any other setting. 
>> 
>> What can I do? 
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Re: vmware fusion weirdness..

[Larry Skutchan]

This is tricky. The most reliable way I have found is to actually click the 
mouse or touch the trackpad. Weather or not you have to do that, you definitely 
want to turn quick nave off in VO. Also, if nothing else works, unload VO. That 
is rarely necessary though.

On Dec 12, 2010, at 5:27 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> Hi all,
> sorry for all the questions lately but I jsut got my new mac yesterday
> and I just need some help.
> I was listening to a podcast by Mike Arrigo on virtualziation. I got
> vmware fusion 3.12. I put my windows cd in, chose easy install,a nd it
> seems to install fine up to the point that I hear the windows booting
> sound.
> Then it says that vmwarje tools is not installeed, but it doesn't let
> me press command g to send keystrokes to windows.
> Also, the scroll area where you're supposed to type in is a progress
> indicator which never changes.
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Re: Google Chrome and Mac

[Larry Skutchan]

It is actually very accessible although there is no table support yet. It is 
fast, accessible, and reliable, however and hardly ever gives the "busy" 
message as Saffari does.

On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote:

> Hi All, I came across an interesting application called Google Chrome, which 
> from what I understand in reading the overview, is a type of web browser; 
> however, it didn't seem to be really accessible, in my opinion.  Looking at 
> the instructions, it said you have to drag the Disk Image to the Trash 
> folder, once Google Chrome is installed.  Has anyone had any experience with 
> this particular browser, and does one have to create a folder for it in which 
> to install?  Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
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Re: Finding out Battery status

[Larry Skutchan]

Voiceover already has a command to announce the time. If you have enabled the 
Keyboard Commander, which is highly recommended on Macs without number pads, 
just hold down the right option key and press T. You can actually configure the 
key to use in the Voiceover Utilities program in the Commanders section.


On Dec 23, 2010, at 9:15 PM, Scott Ford wrote:

> I would like to learn the step by step proceedure as well.  Please post it, 
> because it would be a great recource to have in the archives.
> Sincerely,
> Scott
> On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
> 
>> Could somebody talk me through doing this off list?  I hate to clog the list 
>> but have never done this and would like to.  
>> 
>> Marlaina
>> 
>> 1guide...@gmail.com
>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
>> 
>> Good afternoon everyone,
>> Rather than going through all of the status menus just to find one small 
>> piece of information, in this case, the battery status, I've done the 
>> following.
>> Please compile the following Apple script and associate it with a keyboard 
>> commander shortcut.
>> 
>> Happy Holidays to all and be safe out there.
>> 
>> 
>> --Author Hai Nguyen Ly November 28, 2010
>> (*
>> This Apple script will querie for the battery status and speak the output. 
>> This script works best when associated with a keyboard shortcut and used in 
>> conjunction with VoiceOver.
>> *)
>> on isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript()
>>  set isRunning to true
>>  
>>  -- is AppleScript enabled on VoiceOver --
>>  tell application "VoiceOver"
>>  try
>>  set x to bounds of vo cursor
>>  on error
>>  set isRunning to false
>>  end try
>>  end tell
>>  return isRunning
>> end isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript
>> 
>> set maxCapacity to do shell script "ioreg -w0 -l | grep 
>> \"\\\"MaxCapacity\\\" = \""
>> set maxLevel to the last word of maxCapacity
>> set curCapacity to do shell script "ioreg -w0 -l | grep 
>> \"\\\"CurrentCapacity\\\" = \""
>> set curLevel to the last word of curCapacity
>> set battPct to round (100 * curLevel / maxLevel)
>> set output to "Battery " & battPct & "%"
>> if isVoiceOverRunningWithAppleScript() then
>>  tell application "VoiceOver"
>>  output "Battery " & battPct & "%"
>>  end tell
>> else
>>  say "Battery " & battPct & "%"
>> end if
>> 
>> Regards:
>> Hai
>> On Dec 23, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> 
>>> Pressing VO Shift M twice brings yo to the status menu.  read it like the 
>>> menu bar below it; arrow over until you hear the battery status, then down 
>>> arrow to check out more battery status and power saver options, etc.
>>> 
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Re: Mod reminder: was Linum Screen Reader

[Larry Skutchan]

Actually, you can get a pretty decent experience with VO and the terminal on 
the Mac.
On May 23, 2011, at 6:17 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hello nickus and list:
> Just a friendly mod reminder:  If something is off topic, it is generally 
> speaking off list.  If you're aware that your discussion doesn't fit 
> Mac/Voiceover and/or iDevices, then you can pretty much conclude that it 
> should not be brought here.  Make sense?
> If you have any doubt, leave it out.  Or, if it's sort of related to Mac, but 
> you suspect it doesn't belong, leave it out, or send it to a mod to consider.
> Further: if something's an OT, please make reply off list rather than 
> continuing the thread.  .  
> Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
> 
> 
> Carolyn 
> 
> On May 23, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
> 
>> Hi all sorry for this being off topic. As some of you might know I'm
>> quite new to mac and as I understand most of you used linux before
>> apple created voiceover. Well I want to try my hand at linux, just
>> want to check it out, herd it's good for networking and web hosting.
>> Is there any screen readers availible for linux, and if, would it give
>> me the same accessibility on linux as I have with VO on mac or jaws on
>> windows?
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Re: HTML Source and Keyboard Questions

[Larry Skutchan]

In Safari, press shift command L then use command a to select and command c to 
copy to the clipboard.
Your second question is a little trickier, but in general, command left and 
right arrow act as Home and End. Command up and down arrow are beginning and 
end of document in editing applications, but the best approach may be to set 
VoiceOver with command keys that go to the beginning or end of the current 
item. This makes it work with lists and other controls.
FN+Option+Up and Down arrows act like page up and page down.




On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Ezzie Buenito wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> How exactly can I get the URL of a webpage so that I can copy it and paste it 
> somewhere else?
> On another note, can someone please remind me which keys on the MacBook pro 
> function as HOME, END, PAGE UP and PAGE Down? I'm that sure how I got along 
> without those keys.
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ezzie Bueno
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