Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text
I'm not sure I use webkit and I can say that the same problem exists and is being carried from version to version. It is as if when there is a help atribute associated with the link VO forgoes reading the link itself to read the help atribute. Interacting with the link text allows you to read what the actual link says, but that sure is annoying at any rate. Do you sppose they even know about thiS? J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 05/03/2009, a las 10:20, E.J. Zufelt escribió: > > Good afternoon, > > Can anyone confirm that Safari 4beta is not reading linked text on web > pages when a title attribute is available for the link? > > An example is the list of links under Recent Articles on > http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.wCAWtalks0305/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview > > Thanks, > Everett > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text
Just look for an instance wheer the links don't make since like on that news page that he gave us. There is a column of links of news stories quite a way down, but they appear as just a bunch of linkd dates in time, interacting with them however shows that they are stories. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 05/03/2009, a las 10:44, E.J. Zufelt escribió: > > Good afternoon David, > > Out of curiousity, did you go from Safari 3 to Safari 4 or from a > recent Webkit build to Safari 4? This might explain you not seeing a > difference. Or, it could be that the sites you visit don't use the > title attribute for linked text. > > Thanks, > Everett > > > On 5-Mar-09, at 2:37 PM, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> ah, well, on sites I have visitted that I know, I've not sen this >> issue come up but in most other respects, beta 4 is a happy >> experience. >> >> On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:33 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> >> >> Good afternoon David, >> >> I know that thi is happening on my system because I am familiar with >> the site and because I checked the source for the page. >> >> I was just wondering if this might just be a problem for me, or if >> this is the new Safari behaviour for everyone. >> >> Thanks, >> Everett >> >> >> On 5-Mar-09, at 2:30 PM, David Poehlman wrote: >> >>> >>> how are we to know? >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:20 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>> >>> >>> Good afternoon, >>> >>> Can anyone confirm that Safari 4beta is not reading linked text on >>> web >>> pages when a title attribute is available for the link? >>> >>> An example is the list of links under Recent Articles on >>> http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.wCAWtalks0305/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Everett >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4, and mail
I just attempted to produced this error to no avail. I did notice however the bong sound when I tried to move up and down with the arrow keys but I could still write text. I am using webkit, would that make a difference? Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 05/03/2009, a las 13:40, John J Herzog escribió: > > Hi Simon, > The problem with mail and safari is this. Often times, you will lose > the ability to type in a message with voiceover. To reproduce this > problem, do the following. > 1. Provided you have safari 4 installed, create a new message, or > reply to an existing message in mail. > 2. Now, write some text in the message body. > 3. Next, try interacting with the text by hitting VO shift down arrow. > 4. Move the cursor anywhere you like in the message, and then try > inserting text. > 5. Notice that your mac makes a bonk sound, and no additional text > appears on the screen. This, essentially, is the problem. You used to > be able to interact with a message to review and add or delete things. > Now, this is not possible. > 6. To regain focus to the message, hit shift tab, and then hit tab > again. > > > On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > >> >> Hi listers, >> >> people have been speaking of a problem between safari 4 and mac mail, >> >> can someone expand on what this problem actually is for me please? >> >> Cheers >> >> Simon f. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
safari 4 loaded page sound
Hi all In webkit the loaded webpage sound has been broken for a while. Is such the same in Safari 4 beta? J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text
I just finished taking a brief look at the VMware sight, I saw the homepage, read a bit about why I should buy it, and then went to the products page. Again this is with webkit, so I'm not sure how different it is from Safari 4 though it sounsd like it has similar characteristics. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 05/03/2009, a las 14:11, Robert Carter escribió: > > Hi, > > I discovered that the Safari beta will not work with the vmware > site. Safari crashes everytime I try to go there. I uninstalled the > beta and have no problems with the site. Isn't that strange. > > Robert Carter > > - Original Message - > From: Jacob Schmude > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:07 > Subject: Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text > >> >> >> >> Seeing as how Safari 4 uses the new Webkit builds, it is going to >> read >> the same way webkit does. For whatever reason, and I'm unsure why, >> the >> Webkit developers have chosen to priorities title attributes over >> link >> text. >> You can still get the link text with vo+like on the link, but I wish >> they'd change it back. I'm wondering if they're changing the way >> information is exposed in preparation for a future voiceover update >> in >> 10.6 perhaps, or a similar reason. >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2009, at 13:20, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> >>> >>> Good afternoon, >>> >>> Can anyone confirm that Safari 4beta is not reading linked text on >>> web >>> pages when a title attribute is available for the link? >>> >>> An example is the list of links under Recent Articles on >>> http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.wCAWtalks0305/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Everett >>> >>> >>> >> >>The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot >> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to >> get at or repair. >> -comDouglas Adams >> >> >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4 loaded page sound
Is this with webkit? "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 05/03/2009, a las 14:24, David Poehlman escribió: > > works fine for me. > > On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > > > Hi all > > In webkit the loaded webpage sound has been broken for a while. Is > such the same in Safari 4 beta? > > J > > "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already > tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic > strip. > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: I am surprised to hear that facebook is giving people so many problems. I actually have found tht voice over is better than JAWS in certian situtions. As far as doing basic things like commentin
Lol that's a nice message but why not write it in the message field, you know, where the message text should be? "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 05/03/2009, a las 16:43, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com escribió: > > > > Richie Gardenhire wrote: >> I posted a comment because when I went to check out her blog, she >> didn't give a support number, nor did she give any suggestions as to >> how to contact customer service. I hope to hear from her soon. >> Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:04 PM, rayna424 wrote: >> >>> >>> Ok, think I got it. Here: >>> >>> http://universallydesigned.net/uncategorized/facebook-the-good-bad-and-the-ugly/ >>> >>> It took some searching to find her actual blog. She'ss a windows >>> user >>> but she did talk about calling a support number. I'm not sure if she >>> gives the number, but maybe you can tontact her. The mobile facebook >>> site is at www.m.facebook.com >>> >>> The best thing about having my sighted friend help was, you can >>> select >>> an option to verify the account by text message so you never get the >>> captias again. So she was able to do the text for me. >>> >>> rayna424 wrote: I just had a friend help me set up facebook yesterday. I'm finding many limitations which apparently so are a lot of screenreader users. Anyone use? I go between mobile facebook and the regular one to accomplish anything. Any pointers? Thanks, Randi > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Time Machine Restore Question
If memory serves you can use the items menu to find the restore button. I haven't used that in a long time though so I'm not exactly sure. I would recommend that you just access all the backups through the finder. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 06/03/2009, a las 15:09, Dan escribió: > > Hello everyone, > I am wanting to know how to use the Time Machine's Restore feature. I > know I can restore the whole system by picking a backup date and time > from the Install DVD. > I also know that I can go to my Time Machine files and locate the file > I want to restore manually by Copying and Pasting it where it goes. > What I don't remember is how to Go to the Time Machine Window and pick > a file and use the Restore button. > I can open Time Machine by doing the following. > 1. Go to my documents folder, for example. > 2. Open time Machine from the Doc and see a listing of files. > 3. With VO F2 twice, I can find the different windows and I can even > find the file I want to restore. > However, I cannot find the Restore button. > Anybody have any suggestions? > Thanks in advance, > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Time Machine Restore Question
Hi Dan Yeah you should really just use the finder. cmd shift C (within finder) to open the root folder of your computer and cmd 3 to make it columns view if it isn't already Find your backup drive Then within that there should be a folder called "backups.backuped" or something like that Within that you see your computer "Dan's macbook pro 15" for example and within that you find a bunch of folders with dates as names, each one a backup that was made on the day in its title. Within each of those folders you can find the files that you had on that date of backup. If you know relatively when the file was on your computer you can search within said dated folders. Otherwise it might be kind of hard. You should probably initiate a find cmd option f in your finder window which puts you in the search field, type the name of what you were looking for, and the results are below sort of like in apple mail. Note that you should check the button that indicates to search in your backup drive. it will automatically have your computer's harddrive checked for the direction of the search which we don't want since said file is not on your computer. Ya just go look at it it will make more since than it does here, and it is faster than mucking through apple's 3d graphics experiment. Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 06/03/2009, a las 16:54, Dan escribió: > > Hello Justin and others, > I do find the restore button with the item chooser, however, I cant > find the file I want to replace. Even though I know it exists in the > backups sub folders from previous backups. > Any other suggestions? > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 6, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> If memory serves you can use the items menu to find the restore >> button. I haven't used that in a long time though so I'm not exactly >> sure. I would recommend that you just access all the backups through >> the finder. >> >> J >> >> "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already >> tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic >> strip. >> >> El 06/03/2009, a las 15:09, Dan escribió: >> >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I am wanting to know how to use the Time Machine's Restore >>> feature. I >>> know I can restore the whole system by picking a backup date and >>> time >>> from the Install DVD. >>> I also know that I can go to my Time Machine files and locate the >>> file >>> I want to restore manually by Copying and Pasting it where it goes. >>> What I don't remember is how to Go to the Time Machine Window and >>> pick >>> a file and use the Restore button. >>> I can open Time Machine by doing the following. >>> 1. Go to my documents folder, for example. >>> 2. Open time Machine from the Doc and see a listing of files. >>> 3. With VO F2 twice, I can find the different windows and I can even >>> find the file I want to restore. >>> However, I cannot find the Restore button. >>> Anybody have any suggestions? >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> key...@comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: AMIGOS SEX ROMANCES
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Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
El 08/03/2009, a las 23:34, David Poehlman escribió: > > look at firevox to understand this. Or katie player. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
I think he's talking about a window description a bit more in depth than just an inquiry into the name of the window/application in focus. Like "tool bar with such and such buttons, side bar to the left with source items, main view to the right with such and such." Is that right? I think generally the people here are used to just exploring around an application window, finding things as they go. Tool bars, and side bars, and main views tend to be described as such when the VO cursor is moved over them… like with iTunes for your example. This email just to point out a potential confusion that we might be having. Certainly we've never had an application that would give the user such a description up front and I'm sure this would or is coming up against different perspectives, the view of those who are a bit newer to computers and or voiceover and who like listening to human sounding voices more, and those who have more experience, coming from the dark ages (2001), when synthesized speech sounded robotic and spoke fast, who feel like they could just view the window faster by listening to their faster speech and quickly navigating over its elements. You may be surprised at how quickly one can get the layout of an application interface this way. But in the end none of us have seen such a thing before, and certainly there's no reason to write it off as unnecessary/redundant when there is someone who feels like giving it a try. Lol who knows maybe it'll catch on. Maybe if you sort of incorperated this "description" as a sort of user guide, as alternative to, say, a video which would show a sighted user the interface. Regards Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 09/03/2009, a las 13:07, David Poehlman escribió: > > this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. the > display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into > voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of short > or long labels. > > as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see > vo-f1 and vo-f2 > On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > > Hi David, > > Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? What > I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than > what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, > I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into > this for a future OS version. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> we already have this in vo. >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >> >> Hi Tiffany, >> >> This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of overview >> giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at >> any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically >> for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where >> when >> navigating and how it works. >> >> Thanks >> >> - >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: >> >>> As for what I'd like to see, I'd love >>> there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the >>> applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to >>> use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the >>> answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is >>> accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
I wouldn't rely on the next cat for any of this. You know we have had people commenting before that they would like webpages to describe themselves like under win, (6 headings, 81 links, 2 frames" etc… maybe we could use something like this in an application. What someone could suggest to apple is that they give the developer the ability to write descriptions of their application windows in the same interface that allows them to write button descriptions and help tags. Then they could designate a VO key to access this text. Such could be the same in webpages. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 09/03/2009, a las 13:49, David Poehlman escribió: > > we can get that info. also, yu might want to wait till snow leopard > comes out because if they do what they usually do, they will enhance > vo. > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > > Hi David, > > Unless I'm missing something, hitting vo-F1 just reads the current > application and how many open applications there are and vo-f2 just > reads the title of the current window. I'm talking more about > describing what UI elements are on the window and where they are. For > example "On the left of the screen is the source list, it shows all > your groups. In the top right in a list of all your items". Obviously > it would be more detailed than this but it would also describe what > actions are available. > > And yes, while it isn't a bug, I just refer to it as filing a bug in > their bug reporter even though it is a feature request. But the point > is, as Apple writes the drivers they could add support to voice over > for setting a braille description string for a UI element. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 8:07 pm, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. the >> display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into >> voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of short >> or long labels. >> >> as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see >> vo-f1 and vo-f2 >> On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? >> What >> I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than >> what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, >> I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into >> this for a future OS version. >> >> Thanks >> >> - >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wrote: >> >>> >>> we already have this in vo. >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tiffany, >>> >>> This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of >>> overview >>> giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at >>> any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically >>> for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where >>> when >>> navigating and how it works. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> - >>> Martin Pilkington >>> Writer of Weird Symbols >>> pi...@mcubedsw.com >>> >>> >>> On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: >>> As for what I'd like to see, I'd love there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
He means individual program commands not VO commands. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 09/03/2009, a las 15:31, David Poehlman escribió: > > we can already bring up a list of keyboard commands in voiceover. > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > > I think there is some misunderstanding about what these descriptions > would be, but it seems the general consensus is that this sort of > thing is better left in the manual. The ability to bring up a list of > all the keyboard commands would be extremely useful to all users so > I'll definitely look into it. > > Thanks for all the feedback > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 9:41 pm, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> I wouldn't rely on the next cat for any of this. >> >> You know we have had people commenting before that they would like >> webpages to describe themselves like under win, (6 headings, 81 >> links, >> 2 frames" etc… maybe we could use something like this in an >> application. What someone could suggest to apple is that they give >> the developer the ability to write descriptions of their application >> windows in the same interface that allows them to write button >> descriptions and help tags. Then they could designate a VO key to >> access this text. Such could be the same in webpages. >> >> >> >> "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already >> tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic >> strip. >> >> El 09/03/2009, a las 13:49, David Poehlman escribió: >> >>> >>> we can get that info. also, yu might want to wait till snow leopard >>> comes out because if they do what they usually do, they will enhance >>> vo. >>> >>> On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Unless I'm missing something, hitting vo-F1 just reads the current >>> application and how many open applications there are and vo-f2 just >>> reads the title of the current window. I'm talking more about >>> describing what UI elements are on the window and where they are. >>> For >>> example "On the left of the screen is the source list, it shows all >>> your groups. In the top right in a list of all your items". >>> Obviously >>> it would be more detailed than this but it would also describe what >>> actions are available. >>> >>> And yes, while it isn't a bug, I just refer to it as filing a bug in >>> their bug reporter even though it is a feature request. But the >>> point >>> is, as Apple writes the drivers they could add support to voice over >>> for setting a braille description string for a UI element. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> - >>> Martin Pilkington >>> Writer of Weird Symbols >>> pi...@mcubedsw.com >>> >>> >>> On 9 Mar 2009, at 8:07 pm, David Poehlman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. >>>> the >>>> display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into >>>> voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of >>>> short >>>> or long labels. >>>> >>>> as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, >>>> see >>>> vo-f1 and vo-f2 >>>> On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? >>>> What >>>> I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english >>>> than >>>> what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, >>>> I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look >>>> into >>>> this for a future OS version. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> - >>>> Martin Pilkington >>>> Writer of Weird Symbols >>>> pi...@mcubedsw.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wro
Re: what the point in that
It says voiceover speaks 14 different languages. I'm curious how they pulled that off with just alex? J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 11/03/2009, a las 8:31, M AUSTEN escribió: > > > i think this is really great. i can choose my play list an track for > different work outs at gym or just relaxing in bed on on train > journeys without having to scan through the whole library. > > Ok so maybe i don't need 4gb. > > > --- On Wed, 11/3/09, Scott Chesworth wrote: > >> From: Scott Chesworth >> Subject: Re: what the point in that >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Date: Wednesday, 11 March, 2009, 3:20 PM >> Seconded. I want a talking classic as much as the next music >> junkie, >> but I doubt there'll ever be one, not in it's >> current form anyway. >> >> On 3/11/09, Jacob Schmude >> wrote: >>> >>> Wouldn't make sense, seeing as Apple has hinted >> the classic won't be >>> around much longer. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:02, Dean Wilcox wrote: >>> A talking Iphone? Lets keep it simple for now and >> go for the iPod clasic! At 14:32 11/03/2009, you wrote: > hmm, nice cheery outlook you've got there >> Will, lol. > > I should imagine the main thrust of this will >> be the playlist > selection. 4gb of songs would be quite a >> hefty amount to flick > through to try and locate a particular album. > > What struck me as interesting about this >> though is that the shuffle > has no screen, so people who're going to >> take advantage of > playlisting > are relying solely on VO, just like us. If >> nothing else it's nice to > see Apple openly putting some faith into a >> spoken interface. If this > is a hit with the consumers, it could go a >> long way towards speeding > up talking interfaces for their other >> products. > > *cough* iPhone? iPhone Mr Jobs? > > On 3/11/09, william lomas >> wrote: >> >> hi apple now have a talking ipod >> shuffle. what is the point >> in this? >> if people can't even tell what song >> they are listening to that >> crazy lol >> >> >>> >> > >> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: >> 270.11.9/1992 - Release Date: > 3/9/2009 7:20 PM > >>> >>>The major difference between a thing that might go >> wrong and a >>> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a >> thing that cannot >>> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to >> be impossible to >>> get at or repair. >>> --Douglas Adams >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
This problem happens to me at times but its not consistent. I was not able to produce it here actually but I have seen it before. I don't really know how I could produce it consistently. Usually just reseting VO does the trick. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 11/03/2009, a las 22:45, Scott Rutkowski escribió: > > Can anyone try going to the iTunes store and using vo command h to > move down > to the heading called new releases and when I use vo right arrow and > turn > off cursor tracking the new releases seem to be just immages and you > can't > click on them. > > Didn't notice this in the previous iTunes. > > If it helps just to let everyone know i'm running safari 3 not 4 > beta so i > wonder if having safari beta 4 makes any difference to the tab issue > others > have reported? > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Rutkowski" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? > > >> >> HI David. >> >> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text >> view >> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab >> past >> the >> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this >> the new >> iTunes is fine. >> >> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >> knows how >> it >> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >> >> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off >> cursor >> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "David Poehlman" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >> Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? >> >> >>> >>> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources >>> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, >>> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can >>> lick >>> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Everyone >>> I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's >>> something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility >>> improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. >>> Chief >>> among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls >>> properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only >>> use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump >>> from >>> the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. >>> Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here >>> duplicate >>> it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover >>> doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, >>> you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something >>> on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got >>> another issue. >>> >>> Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. >>> >>> >>> >>> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >>> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot >>> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible >>> to >>> get at or repair. >>> --Douglas Adams >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Need a Spreadsheet Program
Try tables. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 12/03/2009, a las 15:10, Tiffany D escribió: > > Hi guys, > > I'm looking for a program that can handle csv files. I've never used > a spreadsheet in my life so have no clue what it's like. So please, > the simpler the better. I basically just need to go through the > records and enter information. I think Apple makes software for this > but don't know how accessible it is or what it's called. Btw, I also > need to be able to save it so that it can be viewed on a Windows > machine. > > Thanks, > Tiffanitsa > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: details on Voiceover for iPod Shuffle?
This is good clarification. I had no idea how Alex was going to speak other languages. It would be nice to see apple incorperate this new synthesized speech into their operating system particularly in the installation of the OS so that non-english speaking blinks can set up their computers too. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 13/03/2009, a las 11:20, David Poehlman escribió: > > it is available now and it is us $79.xx and it is 4 gb if I understand > correctly. > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire wrote: > > That's good to know! Can hardly wait to get the new iPod Shuffle with > 1 gigabyte hard drive, with VoiceOver capability and the new earbuds > which have the control buttons —3 of them—on the right cable itself, > top and bottom for volume control and the middle to choose playlist > [yay! It is playlist capable] which I want to hear! Anyone know > whether it is available now and how much in U.S. dollars it costs? > > JG > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Anne Robertson > wrote: > > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire wrote: > >> I believe it uses the voice you use on your computer; > A.R. No. The voices are different, so I presume they come with the > latest update to iTunes. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: details on Voiceover for iPod Shuffle?
If you guys would look at that URL that was posted you would know that the voice that sounds like a robot is actually part of the voiceover component in iTunes itself and unless you are using a mac, it will revert to that voice. There was no mention of it reverting to your default voice of selection on the mac, just to alex. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 13/03/2009, a las 12:01, Chris Gilland escribió: > That's what I thought too, but, by the sounds of it, it sounds as if > people are finding that it uses another voice than what the primary > voice is set up as. > > Chris. > > > Want great web hosting packages, affordable audio production > support, on-site computer support, affordible audio tutorials, and > more? Check us out online today. > > http://www.BlindPerspectives.net > > Chris Gilland: Admin and founder of Blind Perspectives > > Phone: 704-345-3928 - Mon-Fri 8AM-5:30PM Eastern Time (Closed on > holidays) > Sales: sa...@blindperspectives.net > Billing: bill...@blindperspectives.net > Technical Support: supp...@blindperspectives.net > > ©2009 Blind Perspectives®: All Rights Reserved > - Original Message - > From: Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: details on Voiceover for iPod Shuffle? > > I believe it uses the voice you use on your computer; that is, if > the voice is one of the VoiceOver voices > > JG. > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Schmude > wrote: > > Hi > I suspected this, but the Shuffle page wasn't definite. Question then > is, where is it getting these voices to generate the spoken menus? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New spanish voices for snow leopard
You comment that we don't really know what Spanish synthesizer they are using. I bet you that it is the one that they are using for the iPod shuffle. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 14/03/2009, a las 2:54, Jonathan Chacón escribió: > > Hello to everybody > > Here is good news for spanish users. > > Snow leopard, the next version of macOS X, will have spanish free > voices for > voiceOver. > > You can read all the notice in my blog (in spanish) > http://programaraciegas.weblog.discapnet.es/articulo.aspx?idA=970 > > > I hope we can have the new version soon > > > Regards > Jonathan Chacón > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
About the new snowleopard Spanish voices in english
Hi all The article in English There will be voices in Spanish for mac os x snowleopard The next version of the apple operating system, known as snowleopard, will include some very interesting new accessibility features, particularly for blind users. in this new version, known as Mac OS X 10.6 new Spanish voices will be included. With this new development, one of the most important berriers to this OS which existed for non-english speakers wil be eliminated, the absence of free spanish speaking voices. It's still not known which voices will be used in this next release of the macintosh operating system, but even if they have the same quality as Alex, the free english speaking voice incorperated in Mac OS X Leopard, the voice will possess a very interesting balance between quality of pronunciation and agility. On top of incorperating these voices in Spanish, Snowleopard will widen its support of refreshable braille displays, a better personalization process for voiceover, the screenreader for mac OS X, a better support for universal system access, and improvements in the zoom performance for the screen magnification. Let's hope that this new version of the apple operating system isn't delayed for to long, even though rumor has it that it won't come out on the market until the last three months of the year, owing to some errors found in the most recent developer beta. Personally as a native english speaker I would still regard this as being something that should interest me and others who might have spanish speaking friends, or who might be learning spanish. It's just useful for everyone to know what is available. So I submit here a rendering of the blog post in english. I have taken some liberty in places, not translating exactly as it is written to better capture the meaning, and have been more exact in other places. I saw at least one severe spanish error which may have spanish readers laughing with youthful abandon; it caused me to have a bit of uncertainty in places of the article's meaning but I think its all here and the idea is conveyed. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: About the new snowleopard Spanish voices in english
Thanks Dan As well I forgot to mention, in response to John's question, the URL where the voice samples for the shuffle may be found. As a matter of fact there are quite a number of languages supported, not just Spanish, which gives some positive hope for non-english speakers in the future. The most valuable thing about this development will most certainly not be exactly the availability of free foreign language voices, though that is nice, but the support that nonenglish speakers will now have when it comes to setting up their computers. The URl http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/voiceover.html There are a number of samples on that page. Apple do mention that this multilengual voice is part of the actual voiceover package. Blog posts like john's are great for getting the word out but I wonder if we couldn't solicit the help of organizations like "proyecto visión"" which seem to be connected to the spanish speaking community in the United States at least. I would also maybe think of contacting ONCE "organización nacional de cigos españoles" in Spain to get them to promote this. What say you all J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 14/03/2009, a las 21:09, Dan escribió: > > Hello Justin, > Thanks a bunch for that fine post regarding Spanish in Snow-Leopard. > I'm sure that there are a number of people on the list who might be > interested. I also know of a few people who might purchase a Mac if > Spanish is included. > Again, thanks. > > > Dan > > key...@comcast.net > > > > > On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> Hi all >> >> The article in English >> >> There will be voices in Spanish for mac os x snowleopard >> >> The next version of the apple operating system, known as snowleopard, >> will include some very interesting new accessibility features, >> particularly for blind users. >> >> in this new version, known as Mac OS X 10.6 new Spanish voices will >> be >> included. With this new development, one of the most important >> berriers to this OS which existed for non-english speakers wil be >> eliminated, the absence of free spanish speaking voices. >> >> It's still not known which voices will be used in this next release >> of >> the macintosh operating system, but even if they have the same >> quality >> as Alex, the free english speaking voice incorperated in Mac OS X >> Leopard, the voice will possess a very interesting balance between >> quality of pronunciation and agility. >> >> On top of incorperating these voices in Spanish, Snowleopard will >> widen its support of refreshable braille displays, a better >> personalization process for voiceover, the screenreader for mac OS X, >> a better support for universal system access, and improvements in the >> zoom performance for the screen magnification. >> >> Let's hope that this new version of the apple operating system isn't >> delayed for to long, even though rumor has it that it won't come out >> on the market until the last three months of the year, owing to some >> errors found in the most recent developer beta. >> >> >> >> >> Personally as a native english speaker I would still regard this as >> being something that should interest me and others who might have >> spanish speaking friends, or who might be learning spanish. It's >> just >> useful for everyone to know what is available. So I submit here a >> rendering of the blog post in english. I have taken some liberty in >> places, not translating exactly as it is written to better capture >> the >> meaning, and have been more exact in other places. I saw at least >> one >> severe spanish error which may have spanish readers laughing with >> youthful abandon; it caused me to have a bit of uncertainty in places >> of the article's meaning but I think its all here and the idea is >> conveyed. >> >> >> >> "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already >> tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic >> strip. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iTunes new version
Hi all Since downloading the new version of iTunes I have immediately found that bug that was mentioned where simply tabbing around a bunch causes voiceover to go silent. I wonder if someone around here wouldn't happen to have an older version of iTunes on hand? Regards Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes new version
Thanks much. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 15/03/2009, a las 12:12, Jacob Schmude escribió: > Hi Justin > You can get 8.0.2 by going to this Apple support page: > iTunes 8.0.2 for Mac > and click the download link. > Note that downgrading is a bit of a pain, not only do you need to > remove 8.1 manually but you'll also have to rebuild your library, as > 8.1 changed its format, probably to handle the language tags for the > new Shuffle. At any rate, it renders the library incompatible with > 8.0.2. > I'm in the process of doing this now, as I found another bug in 8.1, > completely unrelated to accessibility but it was the final straw for > me. I hope 8.1.1 or however it will be numbered will get a lot more > QA that 8.1 obviously didn't get. For those curious, the bug in > question prevents me from changing audio tracks in Movies if you > have more than one track, as I do with my custom rips and some > iTunes Store purchases, so if I get stuck on the surround track for > example I cannot change to the stereo, or I can't access the > director's comments, etc. Very annoying on top of all the > accessibility problems this version has given me, and I've basically > exhausted my patience with 8.1 > > > > > On Mar 15, 2009, at 15:03, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> Hi all >> >> Since downloading the new version of iTunes I have immediately found >> that bug that was mentioned where simply tabbing around a bunch >> causes >> voiceover to go silent. I wonder if someone around here wouldn't >> happen to have an older version of iTunes on hand? >> >> Regards >> Justin Harford >> >> "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already >> tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic >> strip. >> >> >> >> > >The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a > thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot > possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible > to get at or repair. > --Douglas Adams > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: About the new snowleopard Spanish voices in english
Sounds great. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 16/03/2009, a las 1:08, Jonathan Chacón escribió: > > Hello to everybody > > I added the translation to english in my blog > http://programaraciegas.weblog.discapnet.es/articulo.aspx?idA=970 > > > I'll try to post in spanish and english in the future > > > Well, today I called a friend of mine that she knows to the chief of > CIDAT. CIDAT is a investigation and developping center of ONCE > organization. CIDAT has power to support new initiatives for blind > people in Spain. > I am wainting for the call. > > I need some information to give to the chief of CIDAT about mac > accessibility organizations or projects. > > Regards > Jonathan Chacón > > -Mensaje original- > De: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] En nombre de Justin Harford > Enviado el: domingo, 15 de marzo de 2009 5:37 > Para: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Asunto: Re: About the new snowleopard Spanish voices in english > > > Thanks Dan > > As well I forgot to mention, in response to John's question, the URL > where the voice samples for the shuffle may be found. As a matter of > fact there are quite a number of languages supported, not just > Spanish, which gives some positive hope for non-english speakers in > the future. The most valuable thing about this development will most > certainly not be exactly the availability of free foreign language > voices, though that is nice, but the support that nonenglish speakers > will now have when it comes to setting up their computers. > > The URl > http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/voiceover.html > > There are a number of samples on that page. Apple do mention that > this multilengual voice is part of the actual voiceover package. > > Blog posts like john's are great for getting the word out but I wonder > if we couldn't solicit the help of organizations like "proyecto > visión"" which seem to be connected to the spanish speaking community > in the United States at least. I would also maybe think of contacting > ONCE "organización nacional de cigos españoles" in Spain to get them > to promote this. > > What say you all > J > > > "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already > tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic > strip. > > El 14/03/2009, a las 21:09, Dan escribió: > >> >> Hello Justin, >> Thanks a bunch for that fine post regarding Spanish in Snow-Leopard. >> I'm sure that there are a number of people on the list who might be >> interested. I also know of a few people who might purchase a Mac if >> Spanish is included. >> Again, thanks. >> >> >> Dan >> >> key...@comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> The article in English >>> >>> There will be voices in Spanish for mac os x snowleopard >>> >>> The next version of the apple operating system, known as >>> snowleopard, >>> will include some very interesting new accessibility features, >>> particularly for blind users. >>> >>> in this new version, known as Mac OS X 10.6 new Spanish voices will >>> be >>> included. With this new development, one of the most important >>> berriers to this OS which existed for non-english speakers wil be >>> eliminated, the absence of free spanish speaking voices. >>> >>> It's still not known which voices will be used in this next release >>> of >>> the macintosh operating system, but even if they have the same >>> quality >>> as Alex, the free english speaking voice incorperated in Mac OS X >>> Leopard, the voice will possess a very interesting balance between >>> quality of pronunciation and agility. >>> >>> On top of incorperating these voices in Spanish, Snowleopard will >>> widen its support of refreshable braille displays, a better >>> personalization process for voiceover, the screenreader for mac OS >>> X, >>> a better support for universal system access, and improvements in >>> the >>> zoom performance for the screen magnification. >>> >>> Let's hope that this new version of the apple operating system isn't >>> delayed for to long, even though rumor
Re: Just waht is "off topic" here
We had a poll where we could vote between letting this list go unmoderated or keep it moderated, and there were a majority who voted to moderate it. So its curious that now suddenly there are people coming out of the woodwork saying that they would like it unmoderated. It's one or the other. Merely telling people to be mindful of what they post is rather pointless since that clearly hasn't worked in the past. And what about those short "I agree" messages, or "way to go so in so" messages that people send to chat with others? This will also keep persisting since it practically requires computer savy to make your client respond to just the sender. Under OS X you have to open the message, VO space over the sender, and in the context menu that comes up you have to press enter on "respond to sender" or "new message". Really no one is going to do that, particularly if they didn't want to have to worry about the difference between respond to first and respond all. I tend to not say anything about it on this list because on one side, it seems like something that is inevitable, and on the other side, something that I see could be annoying. I just couldn't resist making this observation. Justin "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 25/03/2009, a las 10:32, Chris Blouch escribió: > > I'm certainly guilty of being off topic and worthy of the ban. At the > same time I'd like to think some lenience for off topic posts which > have > broad appeal to this list's readership has some positive benefit to > the > community. For myself this is one of the few public mailing list I > subscribe to. So I both appreciate and try to support some level of > contributions that are not necessarily Mac/VO related. That said, I am > not really as interested in reading about new Windows or Jaws features > via this list. My expectation is that the content will be at around > 90% > Mac/VO and the rest general accessibility related. Strict > enforcement of > Mac/VO topics control may be impossible on one hand and possibly > detrimental on the other. > > CB > > Cara Quinn wrote: >>Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- >> related is certainly on topic. >> >> I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* >> requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or >> have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really >> like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a >> lot >> of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. >> >> So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing >> from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. >> >> This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat >> list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider >> posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're >> saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that >> isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list >> moderator. Does this make sense?… >> >> So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately >> posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off >> Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests >> numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is >> warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want >> this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) >> what's the fun in that? >> >> However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it >> doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked >> not >> to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… >> >> In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at >> least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has >> the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the >> same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast >> amounts >> of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good >> consensus we can come to, that's all… >> >> Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking >> exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the >> Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I >> certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't >> want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. >> >> Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / >> yours a lovely evening!… >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: >> >> >> Just what qualifies as "off topic" and can there by bring down the >> w
iniciate links menu causes VO to crash
Strage thing for you guys to try. Go to http://www.universia.net/ Interact with the HTML content and press VO U to bring the links menu up and VO crashes. I'm using the latest build of webkit. Regards Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tables in Pages
That would be treu. Though it is not a matter of tables in pages, but a matter of tables in wordprocessors in general with VO. I had emailed developers about this before. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 26/03/2009, a las 15:43, Tom Frank escribió: > > I like the accessibility of Pages, that is, until I inserted a table. > It seems to be totally unreadable by VO. Am I correct? > > Tom Frank > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Tables in Pages
Said it before and I'll say it again. I have produced the best looking documens on my mac. My work looks far better than it would have if I had stuck with windows, but this has been done with LaTeX. Tables have tended, for this reason, not to be a problem for me. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 26/03/2009, a las 21:10, E.J. Zufelt escribió: > > Yes, this one of the few reasons that I cannot switch over to te Mac > for all of my day to day computer uses. The lack of good support for > tables in word processors and the lack of support for the Firefox web- > browser. I really cannot understand how Apple can get away with not > supporting tables. > > Everett > > > On 27-Mar-09, at 12:52 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> That would be treu. Though it is not a matter of tables in pages, >> but >> a matter of tables in wordprocessors in general with VO. I had >> emailed developers about this before. >> >> J >> >> "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already >> tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic >> strip. >> >> El 26/03/2009, a las 15:43, Tom Frank escribió: >> >>> >>> I like the accessibility of Pages, that is, until I inserted a >>> table. >>> It seems to be totally unreadable by VO. Am I correct? >>> >>> Tom Frank >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: skype
Hello I have had success with this using skype and audio hijack pro with sound flower. Basically you hijack system audio in a session where output is soundflower (2 I think) and then in skype you have to change the input from the microphone to the soundflower 2. Don't quote me on those numbers I could check them if you decide you really want to do this or you could just tinker with them yourself. Basically the drawback to this is that you can't talk to the person while they are listening to music though you can hear what they ar saying and what they are listening to. Just that if you want to say something you have to change the input back. This gives a higher quality of sound than something like turning speakers up really loud and letting it transfer through the mike. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 31/03/2009, at 12:54, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > couldn't you just crank up your volume really loud and have it play > and be picked up by the internal mic? may not be the best sound > quality on the other side but if you just want someone to hear a song > it doesn't have to be perfect lol. or just skype them the file? > On 31-Mar-09, at 12:42 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: > >> >> Last time I tried something like this I ended up running the line out >> from the mac to the line in on the mac and selected line in as the >> audio >> input in the sound control panel. Of course for more control I had an >> external mixer to control the levels but even without that should >> work. >> That said, you can only have on input at a time without a mixer so >> you >> would have to switch from internal mic to line in and back again. >> There >> is probably a better way with audio hijack, soundflower or the like >> but >> I've not used them myself. >> >> CB >> >> louie wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> Yesterday I was talking to a friend on skype. I wanted to share a >>> mp3 >>> with him. I wanted to play the mp3 and have him hear it. this did >>> not >>> work very well. I had to put the mike close to a speaker. Is there a >>> way to direct a audio stream into skype? >>> thanks for any help. >>> >>> louie >>> louiem...@wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Software Update Problems - Please help
Hello If it happens that you wrote a password and forgot it, you might just be able to rewrite it. OK someone else should comment on this too. So I know if you have the leopard installation CD there is a way to boot into the system through the disk and change the password. Put CD in computer Cmd option C to open computer view in finder, go under the CD drive, start the app file, should say something like " install os x.app" It prompts you to restart the computer and you say yes The computer restarts, you hear the apple boot up chord, and the cd spins around for a while. When it stops spinning, press cmd f5 and VO should come on. Go to the utilities menu VO M under that there should be something like "password utility" or "change password" etc Open that and it gives you a dialog where you can enter in a new admin password without knowing the old one. I'm not entirely sure if your restoration CD that came with your computer would have this though I would imagine so. Regards Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 03/04/2009, at 14:35, rayna424 wrote: > > I realize that, but I don't remember if I set up a password, therefore > I don't know the password. I'll try hitting enter next time though I > think when I selected the restart it asked for the passwrod. > > The second part of my question was, is there a place to look up the > password if I did set one? > > I've only been a Mac user for a few months, and was so excited the > night I brought it home that I don't remember setting up a password. > > Thanks, > Randi > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Key Identfication
Pardon but is this a netbook? J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 04/04/2009, at 18:44, Tiffany D wrote: > > Okay. It's the function key that I'm missing on this new keyboard. > This is very very bad. > > On 04/04/2009, Esther wrote: >> >> Hi Tiffanitsa, >> >>> Can anyone please tell me the key to hit so that I can hear the name >>> of a key spoken? >> >> Use VO-K to enter keyboard practice mode. Pressing keys will >> announce >> their name in this mode. Press the escape key (top left key in a >> U.S. >> keyboard) to leave keyboard practice mode. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Installing Leopard on a Netbook
Probably shouldn't put it on a virtual machine, those require a lot of physical resources which I bet a netbook would be pressed for. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 04/04/2009, at 21:09, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > > Good evening, > > Any operating system running in a VM is slower than if it were running > natively on the same machine. > > HTH, > Everett > > > On 5-Apr-09, at 1:06 AM, Tiffany D wrote: > >> >> Will it run slower that way? I just read that even installing it >> directly onto the machine will result in a very slow netbook. >> Apparently, things with sound etc don't work that well cause the cpu >> is slow. Not sure if this is true. What about things like youtube >> or >> downloading songs? >> >> On 04/04/2009, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>> >>> Good evening, >>> >>> The challenges and barriers that you will face installing Leopard >>> in a >>> Virtual Machine are comparable to the challenges that you will face >>> installing it onto native, non-Mac, hardware. The biggest challenge >>> will be whether your virtualization platform can emulate devices >>> (audio, network, etc.) for which you can find Leopard compatible >>> drivers. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Everett >>> >>> >>> On 4-Apr-09, at 11:45 PM, Tiffany D wrote: >>> Well, I don't use linux so am not interested in three operating systems on my machine. However, I am curious if I can install Leopard through a virtual machine so that if something goes wrong I can just delete the file. Btw, I asked about the speed of the netbook I'm considering at Staples and was told it's the equivalent of a Pentium III. On 04/04/2009, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Sandy, > > the netbooks do actually come with linux on some of them. > > Also, I know that there is documentation on the net about triple > boot > machines, or triple boot Acer EEE netbooks. > > Think it's the EEE 1001 model that has been setup to take windows > xp, linux > of some distribution and leopard. > If I'm not mistaken they call the machine the > 100H model. > > Reading the documentation, it's not a simple process to setup > the 3 > os but > it would be cool to have. > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris > Gilland > Sent: Saturday, 4 April 2009 2:35 p.m. > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Installing Leopard on a Netbook > > > Um, Eck skeuz? me? Sue your c***? Excuse me? I r'r'reely! hope > you > didn't mean the word ending with the letters, n t. I find that > word > obscenely! offensive! If I hear language not just from you, but > anyone! on > list again of this nature I? w'will! leave, no questions asked. I > am on > your side and agree with your feeling of stance, however, in all > do > respect, > mam, that was extremely obscenely vile/vulgar! Please in all do > respect for > my sake, try to choicen your words a bit. I know you starred it > out, and > thank you for that, but that word r'really! did offend me > honestly. No need > to apologise, you didn't know, just in the future, all that I ask, > in all do > respect, is please be more careful with your phraising. That word > is a > spoiler to me based on something in my childhood that happened. I > won't go > into it though. > > Chris. > > > Want great web hosting packages, affordable audio production > support, > on-site computer support, affordible audio tutorials, and more? > Check us > out online today. > > http://www.BlindPerspectives.net > > Chris Gilland: Admin and founder of Blind Perspectives > > Phone: Toll-Free: 1-877-222-0049 - Mon-Fri 8AM-5:30PM Eastern > Time (Closed > on holidays) > Sales: sa...@blindperspectives.net > Billing: bill...@blindperspectives.net > Technical Support: supp...@blindperspectives.net > > ©2009 Blind Perspectives®: All Rights Reserved > - Original Message - > From: "sandi sørensen" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: Installing Leopard on a Netbook > > > > hey. :) > just for the record... keep in mind that. The law never mind if > you > are blind of unable to use the little cute netbook without osx on > it > says it is illegal to do it. > Meaning that apple can at anytime and with all right law in hand > and > all that sue your cu***. With that said. Would i do it? > Not really it is alittle like buying a chevy and laying an > lycomming > in it. > I mean... why not go ou
Re: iTunes un_resolved, looking for another...
I remember a whole bunch of people were complaining about this version which suggests that apple might fix it in future. Why not just download the prior version. That's what I did and it works much much better. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 05/04/2009, at 8:00, Mike wrote: > > Hi all: > > Well the issues with iTunes 8.1 continue. > I even deleted the key list files, thanks for the tip btw Ester and > re_installed a complete mac Os and related software, new itunes with > no music in my lib, fear of music curruptions and still the iTunes ap > won't maintain it's library, yes keeps prompting me for a library. > So I'm actually quitting ITunes and hopefully someone out there knows > of another player I can use that gives me the same functions as > iTunes, play list management and podcast subscriptions. and the like. > Doesn't have to be video capabile, as I use VLC for that. > > TNX All: > > Mike > > P S > > Looking win media player, if I can figure out how to open an SITX > file. LOL > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo not seeing all the page
sure would be nice to see an example "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 06/04/2009, at 9:05, ben mustill-rose wrote: > > Hey all. > > I'm incountering a situation where when trying to navigate a pae voice > over will only see around half of it. > After a few lines, vo will simply go to the top of the page and let me > get up to the exact same point again. > > Any ideas? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo not seeing all the page
I just went over the home page and the create a profile page and as far as I could tell it was not excluding any content. I wonder if you might be refering to the google adds. There are about two of them, and at one point they failed to load which met that I couldn't interact with them. They appear as another "HTML content". But missing them is no big deal. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 06/04/2009, at 9:46, Esther wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > ben mustill-rose wrote: >> I'm incountering a situation where when trying to navigate a pae >> voice >> over will only see around half of it. >> After a few lines, vo will simply go to the top of the page and let >> me >> get up to the exact same point again. >> >> Any ideas? > > What happens when you refresh the page with Command-R? Does that > expose any other content? Another thing that sometimes works is to > click in the page and select all (Command-A), then either navigate to > the Services Menu on the menu bar and select Speech then "Start > Speaking Text" or set up a shortcut key in the Text to Speech pane of > the Speech Menu under System Preferences so you can select all and use > the hot key to read the full pane. (If you set up a shortcut key to > "Start Speaking Text" under the Speech submenu of the Services menu > under Safari on the menu bar I think this uses less memory > resources). If you want to read more about how to setup shortcuts > like this, I've described it how to do this for a shortcut to send > selections to TextEdit, which is yet another way to read a complete > web page (via sending selected text to TextEdit through the Services > menu); you can skip over the first couple of paragraphs and read the > end of a post about Low-Vision Mac use from the archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/msg00719.html > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
catalon voices
Would anyone happen to know if catalon voice synths have been made for mac, or made for any system for that matter but mac would be desired and on topic. Regards Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPod Shuffle with Voiceover
I went to the apple store to look at one of those. Very small, with apple earbuds and a little control thing of about 3 buttons that hangs on the wire. Hold the cener button, and VO reads the list of playlists, when you hear it say the one you want press the middle button again. Top and bottom buttons next and prior track. I can't remember ho to adjust the volume. Personally I was not feeling it with the little control on the earbuds since it restricts you to using apple earbuds. Also it seemed to be rather fragile. One of the models on demo in the store appeared to have had its little control broken. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 16/04/2009, a las 20:06, E.J. Zufelt escribió: >> Good evening, > > ** Correction iPod Shuffle 3g ** > >> >> Considering getting an iPod shuffle 4g. Can anyone provide a brief >> review of the unit / voiceover on the unit? >> >> Thanks, >> Everett >> >> Follow me on Twitter >> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >> >> View my LinkedIn Profile >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPod Shuffle with Voiceover
That sounds pretty accurate. The shuffle itself feels pretty durable. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 17/04/2009, a las 0:39, E.J. Zufelt escribió: > Good morning, > > I've heard that the shufle itself is just about indestructable, but > I have heard other negative reports about the ruggedness of the > headphones. Perhaps I'll go Nano. > > Thanks, > Everett > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > > > > > On 17-Apr-09, at 2:51 AM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> I went to the apple store to look at one of those. Very small, >> with apple earbuds and a little control thing of about 3 buttons >> that hangs on the wire. Hold the cener button, and VO reads the >> list of playlists, when you hear it say the one you want press the >> middle button again. Top and bottom buttons next and prior track. >> I can't remember ho to adjust the volume. >> >> Personally I was not feeling it with the little control on the >> earbuds since it restricts you to using apple earbuds. Also it >> seemed to be rather fragile. One of the models on demo in the >> store appeared to have had its little control broken. >> >> J >> >> "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already >> tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts >> comic strip. >> >> El 16/04/2009, a las 20:06, E.J. Zufelt escribió: >> >>>> Good evening, >>> >>> ** Correction iPod Shuffle 3g ** >>> >>>> >>>> Considering getting an iPod shuffle 4g. Can anyone provide a >>>> brief review of the unit / voiceover on the unit? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Everett >>>> >>>> Follow me on Twitter >>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>>> >>>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia
I've also noticed the crashing. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 18/04/2009, a las 21:08, Tiffany D escribió: > > I thought it was just me with the restarting. But yes, I'm seeing > this more as well and it's very annoying. The volume will go up and > VoiceOver will restart. Thanks for the info on the names. Btw, if > you type in Apple II Forever in youtube you'll find a really cool > video and then the one after it is kind of funny. It's a description > of the first Apples but at the time it was made, the II C was modern, > so you'll hear things like the mouse being new and the wave of the > future and how the idea of putting in an external disk drive was new. > There are other cool videos too. We should make a list for blind > retrocomputer users. > > I really really wanna see if I can get on the net with my II GS and > that program from APH. But I probably need a shell account (which > I've always wanted) to do that and an Apple-compatible modem. Wonder > if I can boot it up in the Macbook under VMware and find a way to > convince it I'm on the net through dialup? I just wanna see how it > reads pages. > > On 18/04/2009, Scott Bresnahan wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> I can't believe I am getting sucked into this. But System 7 was code >> named Big Bang. I know this because I referred to it as the big >> bust, since I thought 6.07 was much better and 7 broke many font and >> text drawing routines in Mac apps and the foundations for true type >> fonts were laid down. >> >> Then as I recall things went music based, I definitely recall >> Allegro, Harmony and Sonata in the 8.x roadmap. And Rhapsody, the OS >> that never came. >> >> Now, speaking of countless OS releases, I'm curious if people have >> seen an increase crash rate under 10.5.x as x has been getting >> higher. VoiceOver seems to be restarting several times a day now, >> and I "feel" this is getting worse--or rather this seems like a more >> frequent thing lately. >> >> Anyone else feel this way? >> >> --Scott >> >> . >> >> . >> At 4:40 PM -0700 4/18/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> They had no names as far as I remember. >>> >>> Mac OS 11.0 "Chocolate Lab" A.K.A. "Goldy" Maybe. >>> >>> Well, the computers at that time actually had nicknames, not the >>> OS's. >>> These Apple regarded as code names, moddel names if you will. >>> >>> OS X is as follows: >>> >>> Beta release (Unknown) >>> 10.0 Puma >>> 10.1 Cheetah >>> 10.2 Jaguar >>> 10.3 Panther >>> 10.4 Tiger >>> 10.5 Leopard >>> 10.6 Snow Leopard >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> >>> On 18-Apr-09, at 12:59 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: >>> haha wow! what was OS7 called? lol. I'm really curious about the rest of the OS's! like I know all OS10s are cat names, but what about before? lol. On 18-Apr-09, at 12:23 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Hi. > My first computer experiences was on a Mac Classic, i think it was > called that ran os 7. I was one of the two, i think, in Sweden who > ran > Macs with Outspoken at that time. I absolutely loved that screen > reader. > /Krister > > > 18 apr 2009 kl. 20.23 skrev Mark Baxter: > >> >> I went to college with an Apple 2C and an Echo Cricket which I >> did >> all >> my papers on. This was 1986-90, and the whole Dartmouth campus >> was >> wired for Macs. My roommate used to taunt me with the "talking >> moose," application on his Mac 640. I eventually had to trash >> the >> 2C >> when its disk drive crashed and I couldn't get parts for it. >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk >> >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> My home page: >> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> --Scott >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo crashes and answers to Re: oldschool mac nostalgia
Wow back in my day it was like 40 US. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 19/04/2009, a las 17:42, Jessi Rathwell escribió: > > hmm. maybe I'll look into it!! > peace and positivity > Jessi > follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva > On 19-Apr-09, at 3:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Apple makes a usb-based modem. Last I checked it was about $56 US. >> On Apr 19, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: >> >>> >>> oh, dang. you read my mind, lol. I was thinking I could use it. I'm >>> lookin' for a dialup modem that works with USB. if such a thing even >>> exists! having to use my pc when I'm at my cabin is just not cool. I >>> wouldn't mind so much if it was a decently working pc, but it's >>> almost >>> as bad as my mom's and I'm too lazy to fix it up cuz I rarely use >>> it. >>> maybe that'll be a project for one day when I'm really >>> bored...trying >>> to get it back up to speed and non crashingness! >>> peace and positivity >>> Jessi >>> follow me on twitter www.twitter.com/canadian_diva >>> On 19-Apr-09, at 2:43 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, Yes. Thanks, Alex, Jessi, It won't work for you with USB. It is for the old ADB connection I think. Thanks, Alex, On 18-Apr-09, at 11:16 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > > a dialup modem? > On 18-Apr-09, at 11:09 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I have an old Apple compatable modem I was just about to throw >> out. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 18-Apr-09, at 9:08 PM, Tiffany D wrote: >> >>> >>> I thought it was just me with the restarting. But yes, I'm >>> seeing >>> this more as well and it's very annoying. The volume will go up >>> and >>> VoiceOver will restart. Thanks for the info on the names. Btw, >>> if >>> you type in Apple II Forever in youtube you'll find a really >>> cool >>> video and then the one after it is kind of funny. It's a >>> description >>> of the first Apples but at the time it was made, the II C was >>> modern, >>> so you'll hear things like the mouse being new and the wave of >>> the >>> future and how the idea of putting in an external disk drive was >>> new. >>> There are other cool videos too. We should make a list for >>> blind >>> retrocomputer users. >>> >>> I really really wanna see if I can get on the net with my II GS >>> and >>> that program from APH. But I probably need a shell account >>> (which >>> I've always wanted) to do that and an Apple-compatible modem. >>> Wonder >>> if I can boot it up in the Macbook under VMware and find a way >>> to >>> convince it I'm on the net through dialup? I just wanna see how >>> it >>> reads pages. >>> >>> On 18/04/2009, Scott Bresnahan wrote: Greetings, I can't believe I am getting sucked into this. But System 7 was code named Big Bang. I know this because I referred to it as the big bust, since I thought 6.07 was much better and 7 broke many font and text drawing routines in Mac apps and the foundations for true type fonts were laid down. Then as I recall things went music based, I definitely recall Allegro, Harmony and Sonata in the 8.x roadmap. And Rhapsody, the OS that never came. Now, speaking of countless OS releases, I'm curious if people have seen an increase crash rate under 10.5.x as x has been getting higher. VoiceOver seems to be restarting several times a day now, and I "feel" this is getting worse--or rather this seems like a more frequent thing lately. Anyone else feel this way? --Scott . . At 4:40 PM -0700 4/18/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > Hi, > > They had no names as far as I remember. > > Mac OS 11.0 "Chocolate Lab" A.K.A. "Goldy" Maybe. > > Well, the computers at that time actually had nicknames, not > the > OS's. > These Apple regarded as code names, moddel names if you will. > > OS X is as follows: > > Beta release (Unknown) > 10.0 Puma > 10.1 Cheetah > 10.2 Jaguar > 10.3 Panther > 10.4 Tiger > 10.5 Leopard > 10.6 Snow Leopard > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > > On 18-Apr-09, at 12:59 PM, Jessi Rathwell wrote: > >> >> haha wow! what was OS7 called?
Re: Deleting Skype
What does it tell you? Does it give you any dialog? If the cmd backspace does not work, one sure fire way to do it would be the following command in the terminal rm /Applications/Skype or whatever your folder is. But be careful about that. The rm command is irreversible and clumsyness on the keyboard could cause undesired files to disappear. Best to go to the directory of the folder before deleting it cd /Applications and then rm Skype again assuming that the desired item is called Skype and it is in the / Applications directory. Regards Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 18/04/2009, at 18:13, Steve Vandecar wrote: > > Hello, > > I attempted to put in the Skype beta and not sure what happened but > now i am unable to delete the skype folder from applications. Does > anyone know how I can do this. I have tried cmd delete, delete by > itself, cmd x and backspace.. > > Thanks > Steve > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: introduction
Probably should add more ram to it. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 19/04/2009, at 15:54, Andrea, Zeta Vale and Trudy bell! wrote: > > Hi there Mark, wow thanks for that. I'm not sure whether to have a > windows > program running on the mac or not and if so what? > I have 2 gig of ram on it and a 160 hard drive. I don't know > therefore, if > running vista would work that well. I really can't wait to get it. > I did hear alex on the voice over speech today and it's quite clear. > Easier > than jaws to listen too and clearer in some ways, more human-like > maybe the > better way to describe it. > > I'll not be getting rid of my vista machine, but I can't wait to get > this > mac. I just can't wait to use it. I know the sound quality on it is > brilliant. > > take care and I will definitely give you a shout when I get it. I > think, I'm > going to need a great deal of help. > take care > > Andrea, Zeta Vale and Trudy! > xxx > Vale touched the hearts of everyone she met. She will live on forever! > Check out her fundraising page! > Please visit: > www.justgiving.com/valiestar > > www.paws4guidedogs.co.uk > > Is a site run by guide dog owners in Northern Ireland. Take a look > at the > site and find out what we're up too! > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Baxter" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: introduction > > >> >> Hi, Andrea: >> >> I was using a Mac back in the early 1990's with OutSpoken, which was >> not built in to the OS. I would say that Voiceover in the latest >> version of Leopard is similar to but far superior to that. I just >> switched from my XP machine in January, and have not gone back. I >> also have Vista running on this Macbook as well, so can do anything >> in >> Windows I need to. >> >> I offer tutoring and support as well, so if you need me, give me a >> shout. I know you'll have a lot of fun with it, especially if you're >> the type that thinks like a musician--it's built in that intuitive, >> fuzzy logic sort o way. >> >> >> Mark BurningHawk >> >> Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >> MSN: burninghawk1...@hotmail.com >> My home page: >> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: installing readiris help
This is a rather tricky part. Sometimes finding the scroll bar, routing the mouse to it, and scrolling it down with the mouse is the best way. If this doesn't work I have found also going through the print process just short of wasting the paper also works. But it does take a bit of prodding to make it go but you only have to do it once thank goodness. Regards Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 22/04/2009, at 15:08, christos hux wrote: > > Hi out there to the list. Today I received my purchase of readiris > version 11.6 and attempted to install it. There is no installer app > for it since its its own program. After the first screen which you > just hit continue to get to on the next screen where you select your > language which had english already selected then there are buttons for > print, save, go back, & continue. There is also a vertical scroll > area. I can go no further into the installation process from this > point because the continue button for some reason is dimmed out. > Anyone out there know why this is the case or how to get past this > stage with the program? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: readiris help
He just said he can't scroll down and its because he's trying to use the VO keys to do it. If he uses the mouse keys it will work. With a laptop running two fingers down the mouse pad, on a regular computer holding the button of the mouse and moving it down. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 24/04/2009, at 20:37, Steven M. Sawczyn wrote: > > Route the mouse to the continue button and click it with vo-shft- > space. I know it says dimmed, however, it can still be clicked > assuming you've scrolled down. > > HTH, > > Steve > > On Apr 23, 2009, at 2:49 PM, christos hux wrote: > > > as suggested to me via a reply I did try interacting with the vertical > scroll bar & nothing happened by scrolling to the very top or bottom > the status of the continue button never changed from its dimmed > status. This is very frustrating to spend money on a application to > help you be more independent & its not useable. Maybe I can use it in > the short future as a upgrade path to the mac version of omnipage pro > x when I have more funds to use. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: readiris ocr installed
From here I had to have my mom's help when I purchased readiris because I can't read the number on the package, what you're thinking perhaps? I actually went and downloaded readiris off of a torrent… gimme a break I had purchased it legally already. Anyway, those illegal downloads are nice at times, well quite often, because they give you the serial number in a text file all you need to do is copy and paste it. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 25/04/2009, at 16:34, christos hux wrote: > > thanks to the help here I was finally able to get past the intro > screens and install this ocr program. However when I went and launched > the real actual readiris program it ask you for a serial number so I > will have to waite for sighted help. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: rss
I think you can adjust that in the itunes prefs. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 28/04/2009, at 3:58, Søren Jensen wrote: > > I don't like the podcast feature in Itunes. I wanna stream most of the > podcasts because I've subscribed to more than 50 feeds. Therefore I > don't want to download them before I'm able to play the podcasts. > I'll take a look on Netnewswire though. > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > On 28/04/2009, at 11.55, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> Itunes is a very good podcatcher and it's constantly being updated. >> I'm looking for rss apps, but what i've seen of Netnewswire, i think >> it's called it seems quite good. >> /Krister >> >> >> 27 apr 2009 kl. 22.10 skrev Søren Jensen: >> >>> >>> Sorry, I'm not sure I know what you mean. >>> Yeah, Playpod is a old program and it's not going to be updated >>> anymore, but if you have found a better podcast and rss reader, I'm >>> very interested to hear about it. >>> Best regards >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> On 27/04/2009, at 19.09, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>> But wasn't Playpod deprecated? Why waste our energy on a program that is or soon will be obsolete? /Krister 27 apr 2009 kl. 14.55 skrev Søren Jensen: > > Hi Fonzie. > > It doesn't seems as Vieanna is able to handle podcasts. If you > wanna > try a rss reader and a podcast application in one program, I > highly > recommend Playpod. This program is totally awesome. You can > configure > it to stream podcasts so you don't have to download them. You can > turn > down the volume so you are able to work with other applications > while > listening to podcasts. > Check out this awesome application at: > http://www.iggsoftware.com/products.php > Best regards > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > On 27/04/2009, at 14.25, Fonzie wrote: > >> >> Hi Will, how are you doing? >> >> I hope everything is well. >> >> On the subject of RSS Readers, I find that having an application >> to >> manage and gather feeds is a lot better than mail, and or Safari >> for >> that matter. >> >> Vienna acts like a mail client, in that you can tab through areas >> such >> as the feeds table, and the actual article itself. It is really >> nice. >> >> The article area itself acts like an HTML area, so you will have >> to >> interact with it, should you want closer inspection of what your >> trying to read. If you want to try it out, here is the link. >> >> http://www.vienna-rss.org/vienna2.php >> >> Take care of yourself. >> >> Fonzie >> >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2009, at 6:23 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> >>> hi i love the rss features of mail as i gather one can use them >>> to >>> read feeds of interest instead of keep going to the site of the >>> newspaper they wish to read, etc. >>> Although I suppose that if one subscribes to loads of RSS feeds >>> in >>> mail then it will be harder to keep up. Do people find safari >>> easier >>> to manage rss viewing or mail itself? >>> Will >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Introductions
I've seen this message three times counting this one. Its curious because I saw the second email, posted below, appear before the first one was sent. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 04/05/2009, a las 11:18, Dave Wright escribió: > Good morning all, > The following message is from a new Mac user who is having trouble > with messages getting to the list. > Any ideas would be much appreciated. > > > > not sure if my prior attempt at posting to the list went through. My > > appologies if it did... > > ** > > Hello Everybody, > > > > My name is Janice Jeang, and I just joined the list not too long > ago. I am > > a student at the University of Texas at Austin and just bought my > first > > Mac. The new Mac Mini that I got is going to be my main machine, > while I > > pursue my Ph.D. in Sociology. > > I also wanted to use my Mac Mini for entertainment and I am > curious to see > > how I can hook up my new Mac Mini, and have it do a thing called > mirroring > > displays... I think > > I have an HD LCD TV that I was also hoping to hook up to the Mac > Mini, so > > that when I watch DVD's on the Mac, etc... I would be able to run > the > > multimedia kind of stuff through the TV, instead of the computer > screen. I > > heard that this is possible and a lot of gamers do this... If > anybody > > knows how to do this, and what chords I might need, I would really > > appreciate the help! Thank you and I look forward to many good > discussions > > on the list. > > > > Kindest Regards, > > > > Janice Jeang > >Best Regards: >David Wright > Email: dwri...@gmail.com > Mobile: (512)203-2474 > Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can one email account be used on 2 Macs?
Howdy there If I already have a gmail account as pop and smtp could I switch it over to imap? J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 06/05/2009, at 13:53, Jesper Holten wrote: > > Hi. > Yeah, you could use gmail. > www.gmail.com > There you can set up an Imap account. Works fine, also in cross > platform > setups. > > The web interface can be abit painful sometimes, but then switch tto > classic > view, that helps. > > /Jesper. > - Original Message - > From: "Brett Campbell" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:19 PM > Subject: Can one email account be used on 2 Macs? > > >> >> Hi, I'm wondering if I am able to have the same gmail account >> configured on two Macs? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brett >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CAPTCHA solution service for Mac users
looks like he beat you to the punch. "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 07/05/2009, at 23:06, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > My name i Alex to those of you who don't know. We are trying at my > organizaion VIPBC, numbering at four staff on-site and many > volunteers, to create a solution such as the one Bernard is talking > about. > > Any ideas on how to best inpliment this? > > Thanks, > Alex, > > > On 7-May-09, at 9:25 PM, Solona wrote: > >> >> Hello everyone. My name is Bernard Maldonado. I just joined the >> group. Mac Visionaries seems like an awesome resource for people who >> want to embrace the power and capabilities of what Apple has to >> offer. After all, it is truly a superior product over any of the PC >> clone competitors. >> >> I would like to thank Cara for giving me permission to post this >> note. >> >> Please allow me to introduce an online service that may be of >> interest >> to Mac Visionaries. Solona, found at http://www.Solona.net , is a >> Human Assisted CAPTCHA Solution Service for blind and visually >> impaired people. The service is fully compatible with Apple users as >> well as Windows users. Solona is especially helpful when signing up >> for a website that employs a CAPTCHA on the registration page. Here >> are some of the main principles promoted at Solona: >> >> 1. full disclosure about the service (who, how, what, etc) >> 2. security and privacy for each user is paramount and documented >> 3. platform independent (works on Windows, Mac) >> 4. fast, efficient, and reliable service to users with minimal >> interaction >> 5. free service with no levels of membership >> 6. provide research and information about websites and how CAPTCHAS >> are implemented in the form of blog articles. >> >> I welcome any questions, comments, or concerns that you may have. >> Feel free to contact me and I'm happy to talk! Any suggestions about >> how to make the service better are greatly appreciated. >> >> The Twitter name is Solona . Twitter is used for announcements and >> news about Solona. >> >> There's much more information on the website, so I won't take more >> time in this post. The Mac instructions are posted on the "How it >> works" page. >> >> In closing, I would like to share one interesting, yet possibly >> ironic >> thought that is frequently on my mind about this service: I hope >> that >> Solona fails, but for the right reasons. At some point in the >> future, >> Solona should be made obsolete by the implementation of fully >> accessible anti spam tools on registration pages. That will be a >> major milestone for the Internet, and I look forward to that day. In >> the meantime, I will continue to invest time and resources into >> Solona >> so that it is a reliable and valuable resource in the blind >> community, >> and I will advocate for accessible anti spam registration tools. >> >> Bernard. >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can't get to latest messages in thread
Apple mail doesn't do that conversations thing like gmail. That's a sort of trick that gmail have done. All the same, you might find that apple mail is easier and faster than gmail, particularly with VO, though I have had reasonable success in gmail web mail by using basic html view. Justin Harford "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 12/05/2009, at 16:19, rayna424 wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > I've had several people suggest this. I used gmail when I could see, > so I'm pretty used to it. I'm getting inrigued though. Do you know if > the mail program shows the messages the same way web based does? In > the web based, the messages appear in conversations, so they're all > grouped together. I like that. > > I do like the fact that the mail program notifies of new emails. Gmail > has a notifier, but I don't know if it would work with Voiceover. > > Dan Eickmeier wrote: >> Hi Randi, why not set up your gmail account in Apple mail? If you're >> using a gmail account that is? Gmail works nicely with mail, and >> it's >> a lot easier than having to deal with the webmail. It's your >> preference and choice of course, but I'm just saying that in my >> opinion it'd be a lot easier to just set up your gmail account in >> Mail. >> On May 11, 2009, at 7:48 PM, rayna424 wrote: >> >> >> Ok found your post using that archive thing. I like reading it here >> because I can forward messages I want to my inbox. Here, meaning >> online Google group. I wonder if there's a way of letting someone >> know >> that once a ghread count increases 25, the rest of the messages >> aren't >> shown on the Google group. >> >> Odd indeed haha. Maybe I'm the only one who likes reading online at >> the google group. >> >> Thanks Esther! I figured out all the playlist stuff, but your tip >> about moving multiple songs will be helpful, for sure. Smilie. >> Randi >> >> Esther wrote: >>> Hi Randi, >>> >>> You mean you tried to view the Google Groups web site for this list. >>> I suggested viewing the Mail Archive site that archives this list's >>> post instead. Mail Archive has access key support. Google Groups >>> does not. Mail Archive is easier to search -- I can search for list >>> content faster on that site than I can on my own MacBook. >>> >>> What I meant is that you should choose the URL link for one of these >>> posts in the mail archive site and navigate from there. >>> >>> Here's the main page: >>> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/ >>> >>> If you click on that link you'll get a list of links to all posts in >>> threaded format. It's much easier if you start at the following >>> page, which is in the middle of your thread asking for help about >>> iTunes playlists: >>> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02256.html >>> (Making Playlists [was Re: More Help with iTuenes, was, Help with >>> iTunes]) >>> >>> Once you're on that mail archive page with the info about making >>> playlists, you can read the next post in the thread by pressing >>> Control-n in Safari and read down the thread. There's nothing like >>> this at Google Groups. I find the search functions at the Mail >>> Archive site for this list a lot easier to use, too. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> P.S. I'll take a look at the Google Groups web site to see how to >>> expand the next items, but the Mail Archive is really much easier to >>> navigate. >>> >>> >>> On May 11, 2009, at 11:28 AM, rayna424 wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Well, that didn't work. I view the board in Safari. Not in an email >>>> program. Control N didn't do anything. I accidentally did command N >>>> the first time, and that was good because its a shortcut for >>>> opening >>>> another browser haha. >>>> >>>> But, I still can't access the next page of posts in the Help with >>>> iTunes thread. Hmmmstrange. >>>> >>>> rayna424 wrote: >>>>> Ok I'm going to try command N. I read it online so my inbox >>>>> doesn't >>>>>
Re: 10.5.7
Same old probs so far as I can see with ical. and it pronounces my name strangely now. J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. On 13/05/2009, at 8:48, Chris Blouch wrote: > > It took me a couple tries as well. I was doing other things while it > downloaded so I finally just left it alone and only then did it > download > the whole update correctly. > > CB > > louie wrote: >> Hi all, >> I had to download the new OS three times before I got a good copy. I >> can't tell that any thing has changed. >> >> louie >> louiem...@wavecable.com >> >> >> >> >>> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sendspace
Hi there I asume you mean when you receive files from other people. In that case, the download links are definitely there. After you've opened up the webpage that the email link leads to, the download link is near the bottom, and it should b just the title of the file nothing saying "download" or anything. One thing you might do is open the items menu and search for "download" since there is some text near the download link which says as much. Regards Justin Harford On May 25, 2009, at 9:08 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi do any list members on here use send space? > if so i do not see the download links for my files when i go onto the > site to get them > Regards, WIll > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: college, video game music, and the mac?
> Hi answers below > > First, what programs would be good for someone in > college, where mostly word processing, and some spreadsheets are > used? I > guess either iwork, or open office is the way to go, here. LaTeX with TeXShop/TexLive which can be all installed through the mactex installer > > Second, I'm a big fan of several different music formats, many > covering old > formats like .mod, and game music formats like .nsf, .spc, etc. I > know many > people favour just itunes and quicktime, but I guess what I'm after > is a > multi-format player like winamp on the mac. Any suggestions for good, > accessible players? What about VLC? > Also, on the othre side, what's a good way to compose > music on the mac? looking forward to hering from you, and making the > switch, > finally. If you mean actually making songs, garage band seems to have started working though might want to listen to others on this one. > > > thanks, > Arthur. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clarification of legal agreements related to VoiceOver
Well they certainly will if you go out and tell them what our people are doing. J On May 27, 2009, at 5:47 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > Hi, > > Believe me Apple will persue legal action. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 27-May-09, at 11:35 AM, Sean Tikkun wrote: > >> I think folks don't need to worry about the preverbal ruler slap on >> the wrist. The iPod was heavily modded, and the iPhone was even >> hacked to accept other service providers. At this time I've never >> heard of Apple pursuing legal action. In fact with the iPod hacks, >> most are now incorporated into the product and led to the >> application install features of the touch and iPhone. >> >> >> Your Friend, >> Sean Richards Tikkun >> jaq...@mac.com >> >> >> >> On May 27, 2009, at 1:30 PM, louie wrote: >> >>> It's is my Mac and I payed for the software, I will do whant do >>> with them. Now if I sell the results of my affords then I am at >>> fault. >>> >>> On May 27, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> Hi. I'll follow these rules because I might get into trouble if I brake them, but I think it's very sad that it's not allowed to modify Voiceover and other kind of software to fix bugs or to add more features. If it was allowed, we could add a lot of nice features to Voiceover... Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 27/05/2009, at 19.34, A-Pro Studio wrote: > Hi, > > First of all, I am not posting this to "crash the party" for > everyone - including myself, who would like their own > localization of VoiceOver. But since none of us use to read all > legal agreements included with all software we use, and since we > might get into trouble by breaking such agreements, I would like > to point those who are interested to the MacOSX legal > agreements, especially the following paragraph: > > "The Mac OS X software license agreement does not allow > modifications or derivative works to be made. > > Section 2F of current Leopard SLA: > F. Except as and only to the extent permitted by applicable > licensing terms governing use of the Open-Sourced Components, or > by applicable law, you may not copy, decompile, reverse > engineer, disassemble, modify, or create derivative works of the > Apple Software or any part thereof." > > Since VoiceOver Utility and other parts of VoiceOver is not Open > Source, and people who might create, use and publish such > localization versions of VoiceOver Utility will break the > agreement and by this also break the law, this is an issue one > should be aware of. > For your info, and to avoid fellow listers to get in trouble. > > Have a wonderful day! > > John André > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >>> louie >>> louiem...@wavecable.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yes, another iTunes/iPod question
Howdy There are actually multiple programs for doing this. Some come with all sorts of bells and whistles which enable you to browse your ipod and they cost. Others are simple and free, with like one or two buttons, one of which just starts arbitrarily copying all the songs to your computer. Let's see what we can come up with. If you know a few basic commands in terminal you may try this one http://www.instructables.com/id/Getting-music-off-an-iPod-using-Mac-OS-X/ it looks fun because you don't have to get any extra programs to clutter up your mac harddrive. Basically all you do is plug the ipod in, go to terminal, type cd /Volumes/your\ ipod/ipod\ control something like that. This takes you to a hidden driectory called ipod control. You go into music cd Music and from there you can open files in the ipod, automatically copying them to iTunes. The URL explains it better. Here is a program called ipod disk. http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19890/ipoddisk looks like a basic program to copy music to the ipod, I'm sorry to say that I couldn't look at the interface to see its accessibility since I don't have an ipod plugged in here, but you can do so by opening it from the disk image instead of copying it to your apps folder. That way you don't have to worry about cluttering your apps older with inaccessible software. Here is another do-it-with-mac-os-x solution like the first one I mentioned. This one seems to involve some other terminal commands to enable you to view the iPod contents through the finder. http://www.applesource.com.au/ipod/soa/Get-songs-off-your-Mac-based-iPod/0,270791,339287603,00.htm It mentions that you need to put iPod into disk mode. I bet you have to do this with the otherone too. Basically all that means is that you tell the ipod to act as any other external hard drive that you would plug into your mac, making it appear as a volume in the finder rather than only in iTunes. That is explained here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1363 If none of these work for you just email back. I remember I did this once upon a time when my iPod used to work, its definitely possible with a little googling. Regards Justin Harford On May 30, 2009, at 1:07 PM, rayna424 wrote: > > Hmmm, don't know the program? So this does exist though. Does anyone > know how to do this? > > Thanks, > Randi > > Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> There is a program to copy stuff off the IPod. Do this and then add >> the stuff to your ITunes Library. Then sync it. >> >> Sorry I can't be of more help. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 29-May-09, at 3:36 PM, rayna424 wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I had an iPod first, before i got the Mac and figured out iTunes. My >>> friend had put a bunch of stuff on the iPod that I don't want to >>> lose. How can I hook it up to my Mac and start puting stuff on it, >>> without loosing whats on it? I'd like to import what is on it as >>> well. >>> A friend said there is some program you can get, to do this so that >>> when it syncs, there is no loss. Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Randi >>>> > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Yes, another iTunes/iPod question
Providing information to a process like copying music from the ipod to the computer is essentially an endorsement in itself. You have already dirtied your hands. Have a good day Justin Harford On May 30, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wrong. YOu just need Finder. > > Here is a link to an Article. Note: I do not condone the transfer of > music from an iPod to a computer. > > http://lifehacker.com/289265/ . > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 30-May-09, at 1:07 PM, rayna424 wrote: > >> >> Hmmm, don't know the program? So this does exist though. Does anyone >> know how to do this? >> >> Thanks, >> Randi >> >> Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> There is a program to copy stuff off the IPod. Do this and then add >>> the stuff to your ITunes Library. Then sync it. >>> >>> Sorry I can't be of more help. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 29-May-09, at 3:36 PM, rayna424 wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I had an iPod first, before i got the Mac and figured out iTunes. >>>> My >>>> friend had put a bunch of stuff on the iPod that I don't want to >>>> lose. How can I hook it up to my Mac and start puting stuff on it, >>>> without loosing whats on it? I'd like to import what is on it as >>>> well. >>>> A friend said there is some program you can get, to do this so that >>>> when it syncs, there is no loss. Any suggestions? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Randi >>>>> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: French Braille
Didn't you just declare that such meddling is illegal, and yet you are now admitting that you have been engaged in it? J On May 30, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > We are curently working with Aple on the same project, so the boat has > floated. Come join us. E-mail me off-list. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 30-May-09, at 2:08 PM, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: > >> >> hi greg, >> i have been awaiting to ask you all those braille questions. >> if a fondation for the blind in italy wants to develop those tables >> is >> there a way to colaborate con apple? >> this fondation already does it for jaws ... >> rk >> >> >> Il giorno 30/mag/09, alle ore 22:53, Greg Kearney ha scritto: >> >>> >>> That's nonsense Apple is just using the old NFBtrans braille table >>> format. >>> >>> Gregory Kearney >>> Manager - Accessible Media >>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia >>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 >>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia >>> >>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 >>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) >>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 >>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) >>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com >>> >>> On 30/05/2009, at 2:37 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> Hi, Red Flag. This is "Reverse Engineering" and is not allowed. Regards, Alex, On 30-May-09, at 1:34 PM, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: > > i would be interested in this as well. > rk > > Il giorno 30/mag/09, alle ore 10:57, Jesper Holten ha scritto: > >> >> Hi ann. >> How do one go about making a braille table used by voiceover? >> I would be most obliged for any help you can provide me! >> Best regards, Jesper. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Anne Robertson" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:32 PM >> Subject: Re: French Braille >> >> >>> >>> Hello Rossy, >>> >>> Italian Braille can be added if someone can find the 8-dot >>> patterns >>> for all the characters. You might like to try the French Braille >>> to >>> see whether the accents and punctuation are the same as in >>> Italian. >>> The French table certainly includes some Spanish punctuation >>> such >>> as >>> the reverse exclamation mark. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> On May 27, 2009, at 9:28 PM, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>> hi ann, i am so happy that this discussion came up. i live in italy and just the other day i discussed with a tecnical man of an important structure about the braille tables. can somebody explain to me if it is possibile. this man is a pc fan , and he sostains that voice over is limited because no one can develop the local language tables for the braille displays . as you know we all hope that sl comes up with different sustem languages , which in it self solves the problem , but i would like to know if it is possibile to interact with the tables just to killl some other pregiudices against our mac. hope i was comprihensive... rossy Il giorno 27/mag/09, alle ore 12:45, Anne Robertson ha scritto: > > Hello David, > > My husband did the coding, but if you could send us a document > containing the Norwegian Braille codes, he could make one for > Norwegian, too. > > What we need are the 8-dot Braille patterns for each > character. > Obviously, the basic alphabet is the same for all languages > using > the > Latin alphabet, but accented letters and punctuation often > vary > considerably. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > >> > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: French Braille
OH ok I'm sorry. You said aple not apple. Then we had a missunderstanding. J On May 30, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > No. I'm working with *Apple*. If Apple does it, it is different. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 30-May-09, at 2:35 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> Didn't you just declare that such meddling is illegal, and yet you >> are >> now admitting that you have been engaged in it? >> >> J >> On May 30, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are curently working with Aple on the same project, so the boat >>> has >>> floated. Come join us. E-mail me off-list. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 30-May-09, at 2:08 PM, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> hi greg, >>>> i have been awaiting to ask you all those braille questions. >>>> if a fondation for the blind in italy wants to develop those tables >>>> is >>>> there a way to colaborate con apple? >>>> this fondation already does it for jaws ... >>>> rk >>>> >>>> >>>> Il giorno 30/mag/09, alle ore 22:53, Greg Kearney ha scritto: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's nonsense Apple is just using the old NFBtrans braille table >>>>> format. >>>>> >>>>> Gregory Kearney >>>>> Manager - Accessible Media >>>>> Association for the Blind of Western Australia >>>>> 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 >>>>> Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia >>>>> >>>>> Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 >>>>> Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) >>>>> Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 >>>>> Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) >>>>> Email: gkear...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> On 30/05/2009, at 2:37 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Red Flag. This is "Reverse Engineering" and is not allowed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Alex, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30-May-09, at 1:34 PM, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i would be interested in this as well. >>>>>>> rk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Il giorno 30/mag/09, alle ore 10:57, Jesper Holten ha scritto: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi ann. >>>>>>>> How do one go about making a braille table used by voiceover? >>>>>>>> I would be most obliged for any help you can provide me! >>>>>>>> Best regards, Jesper. >>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>> From: "Anne Robertson" >>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:32 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: French Braille >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Rossy, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Italian Braille can be added if someone can find the 8-dot >>>>>>>>> patterns >>>>>>>>> for all the characters. You might like to try the French >>>>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> see whether the accents and punctuation are the same as in >>>>>>>>> Italian. >>>>>>>>> The French table certainly includes some Spanish punctuation >>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> the reverse exclamation mark. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 27, 2009, at 9:28 PM, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hi ann, >>>>>>>>>> i am so happy that this disc
Re: time
Hey hey
Is this supposed to be a file which can be executed through the script
editor? Which program is supposed to execute it? I wanted to know so
I could test it and set it up with quicksilver. I feel like it would
be redundant to install spark when I already have a more advanced hot
key management program installed.
Thanks much this looks fun
Justin Harford
On Jun 1, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm including the Beta of VO Time here.
>
> 1. Paste the following into Text edit.
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
> ($second, $minute, $hour, $dayOfMonth, $month, $yearOffset,
> $dayOfWeek, $dayOfYear, $daylightSavings) = localtime();
> my $hrs;
> my $AmPm;
>
> if (($hour <= "12") && ($hour > "0"))
> {
> $AmPm = "AM";
> $hrs = $hour;
> }
> elsif ($hour eq '0')
> {
> $hrs = '12';
> $AmPm = "AM";
> }
> else
> {
> $hour = $hour-12;
> $AmPm = "PM";
> $hrs = "$hour";
> }
>
> if ($minute eq "00")
> {
> $minute = "O clock";
> }
>
> elsif (($minute < "10") && ($minute > "0"))
> {
> $minute = "O $minute";
> }
>
> system("say 'The current time is $hrs, $minute $AmPm'");
>
> 2. Press "CMD" + "SHFT" + "T" to make it "Plain Text".
>
> 3. Save it as Time.pl and place it in your home folder.
>
> 4. Get Spark. It is in the VOHelpdesk DMG at:
>
> http://fried-rice.homelinux.net/ .
>
> 5. Open Spark.
>
> 6. Press "CMD" + "1" to create an Applescript shortcut.
>
> 7. "VO" + "Right Arrow" until you hear "Hotkey".
>
> 8. Press "FN" + "CTRL" + "Return".
>
> 9. Then navigate using "VO" + "Right Arrow" until you hear "Source"
> tab.
>
> 10. Press this with "VO" + "Space".
>
> 11. Then navigate to the right again using the same command as
> before until you reach the "Edit Text".
>
> 12. Paste the following into the text field.
>
> Code:
> do shell script "perl ~/time.pl"
>
> 13. Navigate to the right again.
>
> 14. Find and click on the "OK" button.
>
> You are done.
>
> Regards,
> Alex,
>
> Note: I used the shorcut because it is hopefully going to become
> standard across Macs. Please try to help me make it a standard.
>
> Regards,
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>> if you press VO M twice quickly to get to the second layer of the
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>> time. hopefully there will be a quick command in snow leopard?
>> peace and positivity
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Re: Need a program
Couldn't you just do a find/replace all? On Jun 3, 2009, at 12:18 PM, louie wrote: > > Hi all, > I need a program that will turn 4 spaces in a row to a tab. > thank you. > > louie > louiem...@wavecable.com > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: need a program
Hi there Just figured it out. It depends on the program you are using. Pages actually has, in its find/replace dialog, a list of characters that in which th tab can be found. Actually I like this other way. In textedit, or I would suppose any other wourd app with find/replace, type a tab, select it with shift left arrow, press cmd x to cut it. Then open find/replace cmd f. In the find field type your four spaces, and in the replace with, press cmd v and past your tab. its all straight forward from there. Hope this works J On Jun 3, 2009, at 1:01 PM, louie wrote: > > Thanks to those who replied to me. > How do I put a tab in the replace edit field of find and replace? > > louie > louiem...@wavecable.com > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: need a program
OOh or option+tab also will write a tab. On Jun 3, 2009, at 1:01 PM, louie wrote: > > Thanks to those who replied to me. > How do I put a tab in the replace edit field of find and replace? > > louie > louiem...@wavecable.com > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately because of what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically changing HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. The reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs to be fixed. Regards Justin Harford On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > first off, dom mode will generally give you more information, that's > the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get the > mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor tracking and > see if you could read the menus. > On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> Hey good people out there in cyberland. >> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problems, >> because >> it has links that, when pointing to them with your mouse, rolls down >> other links in a menu that you should click on to get where you want >> to go. >> It appears that in Safari 4 Beta, you can not see this menu of links >> when in group mode, at least not in a way that i know about. How do >> you knowledgable people out there tackle this? >> Thankful for any suggestions. >> /Krister >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Group or dom, was Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
I am now more of a DOM mode user, but not because I prefer it, but rather because I tolerate it. Groups mode does not work well with the new onslaught of IM clients with dynamic html message viewers like adium, and since I use those sorts of programs a lot, it is not worth the trouble of changing back and forth between groups mode and DOM mode. If groups mode were made to work with dynamically changing HTML, I would switch and never look back. Truth is that this is rarely a problem on the internet, just with IM through adium or skype, and this is the problem for me. Regards Justin On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least > that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. Therefore i'm > extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster as > someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the > links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to > what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs to > know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most > users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or Group > and why one above the other? > /Krister > > > 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther: > >> >> Hi Michael, >> >> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web >> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the >> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar, then >> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for either >> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:". >> Command-W to close the window. >> >> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web >> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use >> group >> navigation for searching the archives, for example. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote: >> >>> >>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Harford >>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26 >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode >>> >>> >>> Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately because >>> of >>> what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically changing >>> HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a >>> matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. The >>> reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs to >>> be >>> fixed. >>> >>> Regards >>> Justin Harford >>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> first off, dom mode will generally give you more information, >>>> that's >>>> the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get the >>>> mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor tracking >>>> and >>>> see if you could read the menus. >>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey good people out there in cyberland. >>>>> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problems, >>>>> because >>>>> it has links that, when pointing to them with your mouse, rolls >>>>> down >>>>> other links in a menu that you should click on to get where you >>>>> want >>>>> to go. >>>>> It appears that in Safari 4 Beta, you can not see this menu of >>>>> links >>>>> when in group mode, at least not in a way that i know about. How >>>>> do >>>>> you knowledgable people out there tackle this? >>>>> Thankful for any suggestions. >>>>> /Krister >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Two questions of little significance
The ticking sound only works when the VO cursor is focused over the item which is changing. On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, patrickneazer wrote: > Hello Bret and all: > > I do not know if this has been answered already so if it has please > excuse the post. The ticking sound is near and dear to my heart > (smile). I really dig that sound even if it is not a top priority > (smile). > > If your ticking sound has disappeared and you cannot get it back and > you have had no luck with checking or unchecking the mute sounds > checkbox go to the verbosity section of voiceover utility. Select > the Announcements tab and then VO right arrow over to the "speak > when status text changes checkbox. Uncheck that box if it is checked > and your ticking sound ought to return (hopefully ... grin). Just > tried it over here and it still works. I lost my ticking sound and > had to go a hunting (grin). > > As for your second question, one thing I have found is that if you > perform a VO keys I (which brings up the item user menu), you can > find the progress bar and the percentages that way. It does not > offer a single keystroke though it does key one from having to look > all over the place. > > Hopefully that helps some. > > Happy ticking (grin). > On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Peggy Fleischer wrote: > >> >> Well I am a fairly new Mac user but I have done a little >> experimenting >> with this ticking sound thing and this is what happens on my Macbook. >> When I download a file I have to interact with the download list to >> get the progress. If I interact a second time I am interacting with >> the group and that is when I hear the ticking sound. In other words, >> I hit the interact keys twice while focused on the download list to >> hear the ticking. Hope this helps at least a little. >> >> >> On Jun 3, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Brett Campbell wrote: >> >>> >>> Excellent, VO A is just the ticket to read the progress. >>> I believe the download ticking is a Mac sound. I hear it on my >>> wife's >>> MacBook and she does not use VoiceOver. I did confirm that my box >>> for >>> sounds is checked in the VO utility. I'll keep hunting. >>> Thanks for this. >>> >>> Brett >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jun 3, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> Hi. First question: You can enable and disable the Voiceover sounds including the clicking sound Voiceover makes to indicate the progress bar is moving in the VOiceover utility. Press VO f8, press the down arrow to the sound tab and press the tab key to check if the "mute sounds" is enabled or disabled. Second question: You can press VO a to read what's under the Voiceover cursor. That means you can move the VO cursor to the progress bar, and then press VO a to read the Vo cursors content. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 03/06/2009, at 00.36, James Dietz wrote: > > Regarding the first question: Not sure how to get the ticking to > return. I've never actually heard ticking sounds for anything > other > than the Apple Software Update progress - all other ones are quiet > with VO. Maybe I've inadvertantly turned it off, as I think > softwareupdate logs in under another account when it's doing it's > dirty work. Second question: you can try setting up the download > progress area as a hotspot. Press vo+shift+number (any number up > to 9 > maybe) to save a hotspot (when your vo cursor is on the progress > bar), > and press vo+cmd+number to have vo "describe" the item at that > particular hotspot. Vo+Number moves focus to the hotspot. This > doesn't > work with some things *ahem song name in itunes ahem*, but it's > pretty > neat otherwise. > > James > > On 6/2/09, Brett Campbell wrote: >> >> The first question I have is related to the ticking sound one can >> hear >> when VO is focussed on the progress indicator during a download. >> Somehow the ticking has stopped on my Mac, and I like it, and I >> want >> it back. I explored System Preferences Sounds, but don't see >> anything >> relating to specific events. Does anyone know how to activate >> the >> download ticking sound? >> My second question relates to VO actually reading the download >> progress indicator. I always simply VO right back and forth to >> hear >> the data. Well, the other day I pressed some key and the >> percentage >> was spoken while remaining in the same place. I thought, cool, >> I'll >> have to remember this. Now I can't reproduce it. Does anyone >> know a >> key combo to press to read a progress indicator without moving >> back >> and forth? >> I know these questions belong at the very bottom of a priority >>>
Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately because of what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically changing HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. The reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs to be fixed. On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > first off, dom mode will generally give you more information, that's > the setting I would advise you to use. Second, if you can get the > mouse on the right spot, you could then turn off cursor tracking and > see if you could read the menus. > On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:22 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> >> Hey good people out there in cyberland. >> I was trying to work with a web site which caused me problems, >> because >> it has links that, when pointing to them with your mouse, rolls down >> other links in a menu that you should click on to get where you want >> to go. >> It appears that in Safari 4 Beta, you can not see this menu of links >> when in group mode, at least not in a way that i know about. How do >> you knowledgable people out there tackle this? >> Thankful for any suggestions. >> /Krister >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sendspace
I tried the wizard a year ago and it did not work for me. Has that changed? On Jun 5, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > You could also use the sendspace wizard to download fles. Create a > premium > account, and you shouldn't have to have a max payment plan running > to use > the wizard. Maybe I'm wrong. However, the wizard looks completely > accessible > with voiceover. All the controls seemed standard. Hope this helps. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: sendspace
Aaah haa! nice. On Jun 5, 2009, at 2:45 PM, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: > > yes, you have to choose voice over mode. > Il giorno 05/giu/09, alle ore 21:11, Justin Harford ha scritto: > >> >> I tried the wizard a year ago and it did not work for me. Has that >> changed? >> On Jun 5, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >>> >>> You could also use the sendspace wizard to download fles. Create a >>> premium >>> account, and you shouldn't have to have a max payment plan running >>> to use >>> the wizard. Maybe I'm wrong. However, the wizard looks completely >>> accessible >>> with voiceover. All the controls seemed standard. Hope this helps. >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Group or dom, was Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode
Have you forgotten about outspoken? On Jun 6, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > I don't think this is necessarily true. Most VoiceOver Mac users > these days came from Windows, because for several years there was no > screen reader for Mac OS X. > > I used Mac with outSpoken in the 90's, but had been a Windows user > for a decade when I made the leap to OS X. I dislike DOM mode and > find that Groups mode does a much better job of serving up web > content. > > It's really a matter of personal preference. If you want to have as > close of an experience of surfing the web as a sighted user gets, > Groups mode is for you. If you want a linear, more command-line or > DOS-like approach, use DOM. > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:37 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > >> >> I think most people who come from Windows screen readers, including >> myself, use DOM navigation because it's basically the same one that >> you would use with JFW or Window Eyes. I do like Group navigation, >> except sometimes it just didn't work for me on certain websites so I >> definitely switched to DOM. >> >> Ignasi >> On Jun 5, 2009, at 4:24 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> >>> I have always thought that group mode is the way to go, at least >>> that's what i was taught when first beginning to use VO. Therefore >>> i'm >>> extremely reluctant to leave group mode, because it's much faster as >>> someone here said and in Dom mode you have to sift through all the >>> links and stuff to get where you want to go. Now i'm confused as to >>> what to actually use. and the way my brain works is that it needs to >>> know what to use, even though it's a personal preference for most >>> users. So what's the general thought nowadays, is it Dom mode or >>> Group >>> and why one above the other? >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> 5 jun 2009 kl. 10.10 skrev Esther: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Michael, >>>> >>>> You can set either DOM or Group navigation under the Web >>>> specifications in VoiceOver Utility. Use VO-F8 to bring up the >>>> VoiceOver Utility menu, press "w" to go to "Web" in the sidebar, >>>> then >>>> tab to the web setup options and select the radio button for either >>>> DOM or group navigation for "When navigating web content use:". >>>> Command-W to close the window. >>>> >>>> As a further comment, a number of people have remarked that on web >>>> pages you're familiar with, group navigation works faster. I use >>>> group >>>> navigation for searching the archives, for example. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 21:56 , Michael Busboom wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can somebody tell me how to switch between DOM and Group Modes? >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin >>>>> Harford >>>>> Sent: Friday, 05 June, 2009 04:26 >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Dynamic html and Safari in group mode >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Groups mode is a mode which has fallen into disfavor lately >>>>> because >>>>> of >>>>> what has been mentioned. This bug of ignoring dynamically >>>>> changing >>>>> HTML has been a problem since the days of tiger. It's not just a >>>>> matter that DOM mode gives you more information end-of-story. The >>>>> reason for that is a bug probably in apple's webkit which needs to >>>>> be >>>>> fixed. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Justin Harford >>>>> On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> first off, dom mode will generally gi
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
wdodles http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html OK serious question if someone could answer me off list though since not quite on topic. Where might I go to sell my mobilespeak pocket license? I'm ready to turn in my win mobile for an iPhone! Justin On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > I've been looking in to whether or not VO and some of the newer > features of software version 3.0 will run on the older iPhones. It > sounds like the hardware between the new iPhone and the iPhone 3G > aren't that different. However, I can't tell for sure about iPhones > older than that. My wife has the model that came out just before > the 3G did and it looks like she's upgrading so I may try to use her > older phone. Not sure if that will work. > > What I have found out is that the new iPhone is not priced as neatly > as they claim it is. Those under more recent contracts with At&T > will need to pay much more for the new phone. > > So, for example, my wife and I have 2 year contracts. I priced out > the new iPhone if I purchase one on my line and its $499 for the > 32GB model. Meanwhile, my wife got her iPhone in April of last year > and can get an upgrade price of $299 for the new phone. I don't > understand this arrangement because I don't even have an iPhone and > I purchased my Samsung Blackjack II 2 months before she got her > iPhone. > > In any case, the software comes out on the 17th and we'll see what I > can do with it. > > > > > On Jun 8, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I think it will be. >> >> They will be upgradable for $10 for all the firmware. Unfortunately >> they did add CPU power, ... So who knows about VO running on the >> older phones. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jun-09, at 8:07 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> >>> Well, I'm guessing it will be...I mean wouldn't it be part of the >>> OS? We'll have to wait and see... >>> On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >>> The iPhone 3.0 software update will be available on June 17 from what I heard. I don't know though if voice over will be included in that. On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Oh, and now that I think about it, does anyone know if existing > iPod touch or iPhones can be upgraded to the new system? They > all have the necessary touch screen, so hypothetically VO should > be able to work on them, unless Apple added a lot of processing > power and memory to the new iPhones, which makes accessibility > viable... > > Ignasi > On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:28 PM, glenn wrote: > >> Hello >> Does anyone know of any demonstration videos showing the >> addition of Voiceover? >> Any word whether Voiceover will be available for the ipod touch? >> >> Glenn >> - Original Message - >> From: Josh de Lioncourt >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:54 PM >> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >> >> >> I'm still kind of in shock. This is beyond fantastic news. I'll >> have to get me an iPhone as soon as I possibly can. This is >> just tremendous. >> >> The description of how it works sounds very inuitive. I >> absoltuely cannot wait. >> >> >> >> Josh de Lioncourt >> …my other mail provider is an owl… >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt >> Music: http://stage19music.com >> Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com >> Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com >> GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt >> >> On Jun 8, 2009, at 1:41 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: >> >>> >>> Read. >>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
assistive tech store marketing mac
I find this both Scandalous that they would make blind people pay them to "customize" an imac, and flattering that they would consider marketing an imac at all. http://www.rla.com/ Click on the store link, and there is another link "request quote for mac systems" Regards Justin Harford --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
assistive tech store marketing mac
I find this both Scandalous that they would make blind people pay them to "customize" an imac, and flattering that they would consider marketing an imac at all. http://www.rla.com/ Cl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
It is actually very clear. Just google it and you will find that the ATT Apple contract expires in 2010. On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > Scott, > > In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be > on the Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you > are saying. Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of > this contract isn't really clear and, in light of some things said > yesterday, I am thinking that Apple might look to make some changes at > the end of the deal. But, its very well known that these two companies > have an exclusive deal in the United States. > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems using >> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >> determine >> if it fits your needs. >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Macbook numpad
Not sure if it has but you should send a message about this to apple. Ask them and let them know that you would like it back. That is how things get moving, when customers tell the provider what they want. On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:28 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > > Good evening, > > Does anyone know if the virtual numpad has returned to the new > generation Macbook keyboards? > > Thanks, > Everett > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple is shrugging off Responsibility for Accessibility
The subject line here is complete nonsense. On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > > Hmmm, I don't think this is necessarily the case. What I'd say it is > is that > it is their terminology for a graphics labeler so that we can label > things > we find in apps that haven't been fixed yet. Without that, we'd just > have to > live with the unknown unlabeled buttons that are around now and then. > > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Jurgensen" > To: "MacVisionaries" > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:45 PM > Subject: Apple is shrugging off Responsibility for Accessibility > > >> >> Hi, >> >> Did you guys see the feature to add descriptions to elements. It >> sounds a lot like FS's JAWS Scripts, don't you think. >> >> I think we should bprevent this from happening before it gets out of >> hand. Too many developers will take that as the easy way out. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> >>> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My iPhone
Do you suppose they will delay long, or do you think the apps will be released right on the 19th? On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > > You won't have much trouble making the iPhone work on T-Mobile. You'll > need to jailbreak it, although as of now jailbreaking with OS 3.0 beta > installed is impossible, because Apple made some changes on some USB > protocol. After 3.0 is released publicly, jailbreaking applications > compatible with it will be released too. > On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:40 AM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Hi, I totally am with ya there. The only bad thing is they don't have >> the iPhone on Tmobile and I'm not sure I can switch to ATT. I hope >> that perhaps they can get the iPhone to work with Tmobile. At any >> rate I was so thrilled. The possibility is endless now. Just think. >> Maybe they can come out with an app that lets you use the camera to >> take a picture of a document and it can then read it to you, like the >> knfb reader but not so much money? Or a speaking GPS program. Or a >> color ID or money ID It is just thrilling and I can't wait to see >> how >> this happens, how this turns out. >> >> On 6/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I can't believe it. My first day back on the job as an accessibility >>> consultant after nearly a year is next Wednsday, the same day the >>> iPhone firmware is released. I work in an environment where just >>> about >>> every employee has an iPhone, so I am sure I'll be able to borrow >>> one >>> of my fellow workers to try the new Voiceoverl. I don't have one >>> because I am part-time so they don't give me one. >>> >>> I'll write about my findings. I am so excited. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Multi finger jestures and desktop Macs
Or for that matter, will older macbook and macbook pro models be left out. I'm pretty sure that the newer notebooks use different touch pad technology. Regards Justin Harford On Jun 10, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > Hi, > I've been on this list for what feels like a long time, I want a Mac > but my Windows PC just keeps going so I haven't justified it yet. > > I was reading the accessibility page relating to the up and coming > Snow Leopard and was interested to read about the different finger > jestures and ways that Voice Over will make use of the trackpad. I'm > refering to the two sections "now the trackpad is the screen" and > "the rotor", both of which are headings. Are desktop Macs getting > left behind in this respect? Here is the link: > http://www.apple.com/macosx/accessibility/ > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Dude all you have to do is go read tech news. They are all talking about it. On Jun 10, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Yes, if you call them that is what they will tell you because they > don't even know. The person I spoke to has contacts far beyond the > sales staff. So, am I right or wrong? WEll hey, I can only go based on > what I have heard and I've heard this from more than one source. In > any event, I'll stop commenting on this thread, it is straying from > the purpose of the list. > On Jun 9, 2009, at 9:44 PM, peter Apgar wrote: > >> >> Sorry all to be the barer of bad news, I just hung up with VZ >> sales. Per >> my discussion VZ will not be carrying the I phone. ATT is still >> the only >> company. >> >> Pete >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Wanger >> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 9:29 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >> >> >> Scott, >> >> In a couple of previous messages you've said that the iPhone will be >> on the >> Verizon network. I'm not sure about the validity of what you are >> saying. >> Apple and at&t have an exclusive contract. The length of this >> contract isn't >> really clear and, in light of some things said yesterday, I am >> thinking that >> Apple might look to make some changes at the end of the deal. But, >> its very >> well known that these two companies have an exclusive deal in the >> United >> States. >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> It does work, will work, and blind people will have no problems >>> using >>> the iPhone. I know for fact this is the case and I have gotten >>> Confirmation from a source. Point is, like anything, there may be a >>> learning curve, but it will work and it will be up to you to >>> determine >>> if it fits your needs. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The iphone and gps
That would be cool if you could run your finger over a map of a city and have it read the streets that your finger passes over. I could get use out of that. My biggest objection to the maps and really to the idea of running the fingers over the screen to have speech feedback would be the responsiveness. I'd like it to be instant as I put my finger over it. A bigger objection is the 2-year plan with data that they make you commit to. Since I can neither conceive of the utility nor the money to agree to this, I probably will have to skip the iphone for now. Regards Justin Harford On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > Well, if it's anything like what Google Transit is, the directions > are very vague at the point where you're done riding the bus. For > example, it might say to take a certain bus to the transit center, > transfer to another bus, get off at a given street corner, but then > it just says something like "then walk to whatever address". This > means that we still have no clue which direction you go after you > get off the last bus, how far to go, etc. I'm sure the exact path to > take is probably displayed visually in a way screen readers on > computers can't read. > > - Original Message - > From: Josh de Lioncourt > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: The iphone and gps > > > Google Maps, from what I'm told, provides walking and public transit > directions. If that's the case, it should work quite well for VO > users, given that the Google Maps app is supposed to be accessible. > > If it is not sufficient, Google Maps functionality is available to > iPhone developers, so someone will doubtless get this working at > some point. > > > Josh de Lioncourt > …my other mail provider is an owl… > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/Lioncourt > Music: http://stage19music.com > Mac-cessibility: http://www.Lioncourt.com > Blog: http://lioncourtsmusings.blogspot.com > GoodReads: http://goodreads.com/Lioncourt > > On Jun 10, 2009, at 12:13 AM, Jed Barton wrote: > >> >> Hey guys, >> What do you guys see as a solution for those who want a gps on the >> iphone, >> do you think we're out of luck? >> I couldn't find something that might work as a solution. Any >> thoughts? >> >> Thanks, >> Jed >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Strange Itunes problem.
I highly doubt if this is a bug. Press cmd+option+3 to make it list view. Chances are that it is showing it to you as a grid or cover flow. Regards J On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > This is a bug it seems E-mail Accessibility. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 11-Jun-09, at 9:33 AM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm having a wierd problem with Itunes. I've subscribed to some >> podcasts and want to listen to them. The sources table informs me I >> have two podcasts available. I tab over to try and get to the song >> table to choose them but Voiceover goes from sources to search back >> to >> sources. I have the same problem in the music section as well. Oddly >> enough, it doesn't happen with tv or movies which are empty. I have >> the latest version of Itunes 8.2. Any clues? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jesse >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility
HiI would like to see a separate list for iphone discussions. Regards Justin Harford On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Hello All; > > I've just started a list called VIPhone, (Visually Impaired - > IPhone) on GoogleGroups to discuss the new Apple IPhone 3GS. > > the url is: > > http://groups.google.com/group/VIPhone > > Please feel free to share this url anywhere you like, to anyone you > feel might want to discuss this sort of thing. The list is both for > those of us whom are early-adopters, as well as for anyone whom may > have questions / political views etc on the new IPhone. > > As far as list etiquette goes, as far as I'm concerned, the list > will reflect the character of its members. -You want flame > wars, fine, have them! -Want a friendly, welcoming, well-informed > list, then wonderful! You've got that! You'll have the list you > create! > > > > If there's something drastic, and I need to step in as mod, then be > assured, I will; other than that, -Be the list you want… > > Enjoy and let's explore the IPhone together!… > > Smiles, > > Cara :) > --- > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New IPhone 3GS list regarding accessibility
Hi there Simon Cavendish wrote > Has there been a request for a separate list for IPhone? There has now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mac voiceover in braille monitor
Good idea. We could write a blog like what they have for orca. That way members could read and edit each other's work and make improvements or suggest alternatives. On Jun 12, 2009, at 8:32 PM, kaare dehard wrote: > > Also, if more documentation is required, Really what would stop one or > two of us from building a document ourselves and making it available? > If we want to leave feature implimentation to apple, between most of > us on the list proactive written documentation available and offered > to apple to distribute might provide the much needed touch that some > of the blind community may prefer from their own members. > > Just a thought. > On 12-Jun-09, at 8:42 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > >> >> I totally agree. I think the VO quick start that exists in Leopard is >> enough, because it shows you how to navigate all kinds of controls, >> which in the end are the ones you find all over OS X and most >> applications. So what's wrong with it? Personally I found it very >> useful, along with the keyboard help feature. When I first started >> using a Mac, I could do pretty much everything after a couple of >> hours >> working on it. I mean I don't think more documentation would hurt, >> but >> I would rather let those people work on actual features than putting >> them to write documentation... >> On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> I think what is important is you learn how to navigate with VO and >>> then learn the applications as would any other user regardless of >>> their ability or disability. I may be recalling incorrectly since it >>> has been years since I bothered reading the manual for Window-EYes, >>> but I think generally it instructed me on how to use WE and not on >>> how >>> to use all the applications. Now it is possible because the keys >>> required for WE possibly change some behavior of an app, they might >>> have touched on the differences, but gee you know I couldn't tell >>> you >>> what impact the windows-based screen reader has on the windows >>> experience. :) I understand some of what you are saying, but yet >>> once >>> you learn VO, you'll learn the apps very quickly. I started off when >>> VO was really new, so I really had to read what info I could find >>> and >>> learn from there. You know it wasn't to bad and really hey when you >>> think about it, a number of people have produced tutorials on how to >>> use this or that screen reader and this or that application, sold >>> them, and made money. You can do the same thing as well. Wait, >>> maybe I >>> should be doing that. :) >>> >>> On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Mike Reiser wrote: >>> I was confused about the editing thing as well at first but am doing much better now I think. I still goof up sometimes but oh well. This guy obviously did not read the vo manual as I looked at it today and it's very detailed in going over the desktop orientation and all that. They don't describe how to quit apps and itunes isn't mentioned accept a little bit but otherwise it is very well written. I'm a bit concerned about Apple's documentation that comes with mac, and I think the tutorial should be more interactive in the sense that someone should demonstrate basic tasks while the person follows along. I feel they should cover basic tasks like using finder, serfing the web, sending email, word processing, and itunes, maybe one or two more things. They should also enclude the vo manual with mac and maybe give a short prompt when vo starts to press a key to read help and maybe brief instructions on how to read it. I'm really not sure if this would be too much info or not, however. They will have a welcome dialog in snowlepard, so this is a good step. Mike On Jun 11, 2009, at 4:59 PM, kaare dehard wrote: > > Interesting, so I'll explore my own journey with you. > > My first talking computer ironicly was an apple ii e. My second > was a > dos machine. Neither of these gave me much trouble. Windows was my > next stop, and with no prejudgement I worked for a week before I > got > myself grounded. Windows 95 98 and xp as well. I then moved on to > voiceover for both financial and technical reasons. It took only 2 > or > 3 days to get my feet, but I couldn't tell you if it was easier to > learn, or if my difficulties with jaws and window-eyes were merely > experience not understanding differences between cli and gui. > Editing > with the mac gave me more problems than with windows but that was > before someone explained the differences in how the cursors were > handled. This is not a reporting error, as sugestive in the > article > but a different method of cursor tracking and usage. If this > fellow > writing Was truly interested in understanding the differences
Re: Downgrading Itunes.
Hi there Email me off list if you want itunes 8.0.2. Regards Justin Harford On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: > > Hi, > > Is it possible to get an older version of itunes? Or are you stuck > once you've upgraded. > > Thanks, > > Jesse > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: looking for world clock that work with vo?
No On Jun 13, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > Won't the widget wrok? > > Regards, > alex, > > > On 13-Jun-09, at 3:37 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: > >> >> hi I am looking for a world clock that will with vo I need to know >> what time it is in diferent time zonesboth here in the us and in >> japan. enay ides? >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Mac-cessibility Quick Tip #24
Cool. Hey you guys should post a tip about changing your facebook status with adium. It would be worth mentioning that you can chat over facebook too. I have never been able to find a win program that can do this. Justin On Jun 13, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: > > Mac-cessibility quick Tip #24 is now posted at: > > http://www.lioncourt.com/2009/06/13/mac-cessibility-quick-tip-24/ > > Skype users, enjoy! > > Cara :) > --- > Follow me on Twitter! > > https://twitter.com/ModelCara > > View my Online Portfolio at: > http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Podcast about VO in Snow Leopard
Arhrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrrhrhrhrhr On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Buddy Brannan wrote: > > > On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Jessi and Goldina wrote: > >> yeah, I don't know how this can be snow leopard since it's not out >> yet, unless maybe they got a developer copy? but I'm listening to it >> anyway lol > > Three words for you: > Yo ho ho! > > And five more: > Ye be walkin' the plank. > > Nuff said if you know where to look. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optical character recognition for iPhone
It's extremely doubtful that an application like this would be very useful on the latest iPhone 3gs model since it's camera isn't yet powerful enough. But perhaps the focus feature could help it make up for its low amount of pixels? Justin Harford On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > > Hi, > > I went looking for this Raspbery application and can not find it. Its > not on the app store and I don't find anything with a Google search. > Do you have a link? > > > On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> HI, >> All, >> >> Raspbery Reader is designed for such a purpose. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 14-Jun-09, at 6:42 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> >>> >>> Good morning, >>> >>> Curious if anyone knows if there is currently an OCR app for the >>> iPhone? If you know of any I'd love to know their names so that I >>> can >>> contact their devlopers regarding making the app accessible with >>> Voiceover as quickly as possible. With an out of the box accessible >>> phone, with built-in camera and 3rd party accessible OCR software >>> many >>> peoples lives would be greatly improved. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Everett >>> >>> Follow me on Twitter >>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>> >>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optical character recognition for iPhone
Exactly On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:39 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > > Good evening, > > I did give that some thought. To the best of my knowledge the camera > on the iPhone is 3 megapixel whereas the camera on the KNFB Reader > (comparable device) is 5 megapixel. > > Thanks, > Everett > > Follow me on Twitter > http://twitter.com/ezufelt > > View my LinkedIn Profile > http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt > > > > > > On 14-Jun-09, at 4:11 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> >> It's extremely doubtful that an application like this would be very >> useful on the latest iPhone 3gs model since it's camera isn't yet >> powerful enough. But perhaps the focus feature could help it make up >> for its low amount of pixels? >> >> Justin Harford >> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I went looking for this Raspbery application and can not find it. >>> Its >>> not on the app store and I don't find anything with a Google search. >>> Do you have a link? >>> >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> HI, >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Raspbery Reader is designed for such a purpose. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14-Jun-09, at 6:42 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Good morning, >>>>> >>>>> Curious if anyone knows if there is currently an OCR app for the >>>>> iPhone? If you know of any I'd love to know their names so that I >>>>> can >>>>> contact their devlopers regarding making the app accessible with >>>>> Voiceover as quickly as possible. With an out of the box >>>>> accessible >>>>> phone, with built-in camera and 3rd party accessible OCR software >>>>> many >>>>> peoples lives would be greatly improved. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Everett >>>>> >>>>> Follow me on Twitter >>>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>>>> >>>>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Optical character recognition for iPhone
Possible… but why would you want to carry an attachment. Best to wait a couple years maybe even next summer. Rest assured that that camera on the iPhone will get stronger and stronger and no doubt then someone will be working on an OCR solution for it. On Jun 14, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > That is correct. Same goes for a GPS Receiver for iPod Touch and > iPhone. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 14-Jun-09, at 3:34 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: > >> >> Developers of hardware have access to the port on the iPhone 3GS I >> believe and therefore isn't it possible that someone could develop an >> extension for the camera that offers a better camera attachment? >> On Jun 14, 2009, at 2:39 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> >>> >>> Good evening, >>> >>> I did give that some thought. To the best of my knowledge the >>> camera >>> on the iPhone is 3 megapixel whereas the camera on the KNFB Reader >>> (comparable device) is 5 megapixel. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Everett >>> >>> Follow me on Twitter >>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>> >>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 14-Jun-09, at 4:11 PM, Justin Harford wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> It's extremely doubtful that an application like this would be very >>>> useful on the latest iPhone 3gs model since it's camera isn't yet >>>> powerful enough. But perhaps the focus feature could help it make >>>> up >>>> for its low amount of pixels? >>>> >>>> Justin Harford >>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Larry Wanger wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I went looking for this Raspbery application and can not find it. >>>>> Its >>>>> not on the app store and I don't find anything with a Google >>>>> search. >>>>> Do you have a link? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HI, >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Raspbery Reader is designed for such a purpose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Alex, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 14-Jun-09, at 6:42 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good morning, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Curious if anyone knows if there is currently an OCR app for the >>>>>>> iPhone? If you know of any I'd love to know their names so >>>>>>> that I >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> contact their devlopers regarding making the app accessible with >>>>>>> Voiceover as quickly as possible. With an out of the box >>>>>>> accessible >>>>>>> phone, with built-in camera and 3rd party accessible OCR >>>>>>> software >>>>>>> many >>>>>>> peoples lives would be greatly improved. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Everett >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/ezufelt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> View my LinkedIn Profile >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: website audio question
Just turn off the java and plugins under security On Jun 17, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > I know that Webkit can detect if VO is running, so you may just > request this as a feature. I'm sure non-VO users will approve as well. > It has to come from Apple/The Webkit crew. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 16-Jun-09, at 8:10 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > >> >> Hi group; Ok, so can someone tell me how I turn the audio off when a >> webpage loads? I tell you nothing is more annoying than having to >> turn my vo volume all the way up just to try to get to the one link i >> need so their music will stop playing. In jaws it was the escape >> key, >> but I've never found anything about how to do this on a mac. Please >> help. Thanks, Max >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: voice over comes to the I phone
Yeah I emailed accessibility about this actually. They said only the 3gs has the necessary hardware to support VO. On Jun 20, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > As far as I know, Voiceover is only on the iPHone 3G S > > On Jun 20, 2009, at 7:17 PM, ben mustill-rose wrote: > >> >> Can someone confirm something for me? >> I'm ingajed in a dialog with someone that has updated there old i >> phone to v 3.0 but can not find the voice over option. >> Are apple removing this from the update of older moddels due to low >> specs? >> >> On 19/06/2009, Brent Harding wrote: >>> >>> This would be good. Where my parents live, about 30 miles away, >>> it's mostly >>> Cellcom territory, which is CDMA. My Sprint phone seems to find >>> enough >>> Sprint coverage to work most of the time, but I find it roaming at >>> times as >>> well. I don't even know if AT&T would even get a signal there, and >>> I don't >>> want to pay for 2 phones. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Scott Howell" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: voice over comes to the I phone >>> >>> I read the article, but it does not state that Apple could not develop a CDMA phone once the contract expires and well to be honest, I don't know what the contract says or the exact date it terminates other than 2010 or 2011 are the dates I've heard tossed about. So, we'll just have to wait and see. Like I said, I'm willing to wait as long as I can get an iPhone that works on a reliable network where I work/ live and those areas I may travel. Not much of a traveler, so I won't be hard to please. :) The hope in the end is that more carriers will gain access to the subway in our area and that will help a lot of folks. VZW has exclusive rights in there, which may have or will expire soon. Then other carriers will enjoy access to the system and that is a good thing. Competition is always a good thing. > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind regards, BEN. >> >> email: bmustillr...@gmail.com >> msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com >> web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice over and web surfing,
Hi I bet that voiceover has a working say-all function for webbrowsing in snowleopard. Regards Justin Harford On Jun 24, 2009, at 6:16 AM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: > > Hi, > > Actually, no, it's not a crazy question at all. I agree VO's web > navigation leaves us short in several areas. Even before VO, I used > the older Universal Access feature of speak selected text when a key > is pressed. I actually still use this today. I'll go to a web page, > hit my command-A to select all, then hit my Speak selected text. Old > habits die hard. > > The VO purists will suggest using the VO-A key to have VO speak all, > but I like my way better, of course. > > The risk with my way is that VO may disrupt speaking of the text, so > I actually will disable VO as I listen to a long page. > > --Scott > >> Greetings to all listers. >> >> >> I've got what most of you will think of as a simple crazy question. >> >> I've just started playing with Voice over and want to have it read >> out a >> webpage without having to go line by line. >> Is there a command to make voice over read out a web page >> automatically, or >> can someone tell me where I can find a tutorial on vo and safari / >> web page >> navigation? >> >> I'm happy to use a tutorial either text based or mp3. >> >> Any help on this would be much appreciated. >> >> Cheers >> >> simon >> >> >> > -- > --Scott > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: daisy player for IPhone
No On Jun 30, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Jane Jordan (Gmail) wrote: > > That reminds me of something. Is it true you can buy an iPhone G3 > without > the plan download new software for it, and it will talk like the new > ones? > Or basically an iPod touch and get the new software and it will talk > like > the new iPhones? > > Jane > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of william lomas > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:01 PM > To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by the > blind > Subject: daisy player for IPhone > > > hi wouldn't it be cool if we had a daisy player for the IPhone and > IPod touch line of products, so that owners of these devices would > just need one device? > Will > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1882 - Release Date: > 1/8/2009 > 8:13 AM > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: daisy player for IPhone
I'm curious when we are going to see the other apps that he has been writing about. They must have one heck of a development team to be focused on so many different programs simultaneously. J On Jun 30, 2009, at 2:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > > Alex, how do you plan to work with the issue of authorizing the > devices etc? Glad someone is working on it. > On Jun 30, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> All, >> >> Daisy is coming tothe iPhone sooner than you think. Using OS >> technology, the software development team at VIPBC have been hard at >> work on a DAISY book Application. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: brf reader
Lol am I the only one on here who misses hardcopy braille? Justin On Jul 4, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > SCott, > > Braille is very important to me too. There are some small displays > which perfectly adequate. Blazie have some small displays of 18 to 20 > cells and they are quite adequate. You use a button or bar to advance > the display but you can still read very fast. I think braille displays > are just a must for braille blind readers. I would not be without > them. Brlnote has a 32 cell display but it is a kind of computer as > well - a bit too bulky. I have sen advertised some smaller and lighter > almost pocket size braille displays which I crave. I do hope that we > will always have Braille displays for those of us who just have to > feel the letters with their finger tips. I know I do. > > Best wishes, Simon > On 4 Jul 2009, at 20:25, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> You know Eric you got a good point. I want a braille display very >> badly. I have a long commute, but headphones on the train is not an >> option and I'd love to have a small and compact display I could use >> to >> do some reading. Actually f anyone knows of a good display that would >> of course work with Leopard and is reasonably priced (subjective I >> know), please advise or at least let me know what you have used. I >> might just dig into my pocket and stimulate some ones economy. :) A >> really big question for me is I think there are some very small >> displays out there and how do folks handle reading with these. I >> think >> they are wide enough to have maybe two or three words displayed at a >> time? I assume you just learn to scroll right and read with one hand? >> I know it sounds like a silly question, but I have only read braille >> books and the like, so a display is kind of foreign to me. >> >> tnx, >> On Jul 4, 2009, at 2:04 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> >>> No, you're dead on, smiles. I'm a lazy boy myself, and generally >>> speaking I'm just as happy to be read to. There's something about >>> braille though. Listening is fine, especially if you have a good >>> book >>> with a really great narrater. Reading with a speech engine is OK. >>> It >>> would let me take care of odd chores while I'm listening and still >>> get >>> access to that book that I can't find in audiobook format. I like >>> reading a book in braille once in a while though, and I'm especially >>> going to like it if I don't have to be tied down to my computer by a >>> usb cable to do it. Reading complements listening and helps keep >>> spelling and grammer skills sharp as well as just providing an >>> alternative to listening to cheesie speech synthesizers. I can't >>> stand the thought of paper braille but there's definitely an >>> attraction for me in pulling out my braille connect and going to >>> town >>> on a book. I have to run around the city all the time for work and >>> the transit system takes a while to get anywhere. So, I can plan to >>> be on the road anywere from one hour to 2 or three to get where I >>> need >>> to be on any given day. Braille books are really handy for that. I >>> can take my braille display and read my book and still pay strict >>> attention to stop announcements and such. I can even stand on a bus >>> or a train with my arm around a pole and the other hand scrubbing >>> the >>> display. Kind'a makes me feel like any other guy with a paperback >>> or >>> a news paper. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> erik burggraaf >>> A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. >>> Phone: 888-255-5194 >>> Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com >>> >>> On 4-Jul-09, at 1:15 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>> Ah Eric, I think I see your point? It looks as if the CNIB has what the NLS calls web braille. You just want to grab the books that come in the web braille brf format and read them in braille from your mac like people do when they put them on something like a braille note? That's fair enough, some people like reading braille over listening to spoken word. Pointless or not, brf seems to be the file of choice by groups who provide electronic access to their libries for braille content. There's nothing wrong with wanting to read a book in braille via a braille display, note taker or whatever. Having said this though, I've gotta say I'm with Josh and find it faster and just more enjoyable to have whatever it is read to me and wish that the different programs who offer etexts to us would offer a HTML or TXT version along with the BRF version. But then you run into all that copyright stuff so I guess you deal with things as they are. : smile : Am I kind of right? Or have I missed the mark altogether? Best regards Jenny On 7/4/09, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > With the advent of grade 2 translation in screen readers for > English, >
Re: Turning off MacBook screens?
Dimming the screen down will at least completely turn off the illumination, a far cry fromm what most computers will let you do. On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > Thanks Scott, > > That is a real shame I think. > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: Scott Howell > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? > > Screen curtain does not turn the screen off. If you turn the > brightness down as far as it will go, that will help save your > battery, but I do not believe you can turn the screen off entirely- > in other words cut power to it. > On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:38 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Am I corect in thinking that the Linux commandline options will >> work under Mac OS X? If so, if I could find out how to write shell >> scripts or whatever they are called do you think they would work >> under Mac OS X? Also, do the Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain >> options actually turn the screen off? >> >> Take care >> >> james >> - Original Message - >> From: Alex Jurgensen >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 5:22 AM >> Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? >> >> Hi, >> James, >> >> Just continue with Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain together. I >> should write a CLI script for this. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 5-Jul-09, at 2:39 PM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> This might sound like an odd question, but as i cannot see the >>> screen I was wondering if there was a way to turn it off? I know >>> that you can turn the screen brightness right down and use the >>> Screen Curtain which effectively does this which was what I used >>> to do. But I was wondering if there was a solution via the Command >>> Line. In Linux, this can be achieved by something like dpms off. >>> This keeps the screen off until you either use dpms on our restart >>> the pc. >>> >>> I have tried turning off my laptop screen in Windows, and JFW >>> doesn't like it too much. As VO is built directly into the system >>> i assume it doesn't use video intercept but instead gets its >>> access info direct from the Mac OS X kernel? >>> >>> Thanks for any help that you can provide >>> >>> Thank you for taking the time to read this. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Turning off MacBook screens?
Yes it turns off the backlighth completely, but the pixels are still showing your desktop, making it discernable if for example you are sitting out in the sun. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:40 AM, James & Nash wrote: > No I don't think you are Scott. However, I did read someone that > turning down the screen brightness to zero actually turns off the > backlight on the screen - effectively turning it off. I just > wondered if this was possible as I have no need for a screen bu from > waht I remember turning down the screen brightness increased batery > life dramatically. > > Thanks > > James > - Original Message - > From: Scott Howell > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? > > James, why is that a shame? Surely you recognize that turning off > the screen would generally not make a lot of sense. These aren't > machines designed exclusively for the blind, so turning off the > screen would only benefit those of us who would not typically use > the screen. It just isn't one of those features Apple or any other > computer manufacturer would really consider. You have the option to > turn the screen brightness down to the point where no one could read > it and that alone would help conserve battery life. However, to say > it is a shame seems a little odd when you consider the larger scope > here. I am not sure what purpose this feature would serve even on a > lInux machine, but maybe there is something I'm missing here beyond > the possible extension of battery life. > On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: > >> Thanks Scott, >> >> That is a real shame I think. >> >> Take care >> >> James >> - Original Message - >> From: Scott Howell >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:46 AM >> Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? >> >> Screen curtain does not turn the screen off. If you turn the >> brightness down as far as it will go, that will help save your >> battery, but I do not believe you can turn the screen off entirely- >> in other words cut power to it. >> On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:38 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Am I corect in thinking that the Linux commandline options will >>> work under Mac OS X? If so, if I could find out how to write shell >>> scripts or whatever they are called do you think they would work >>> under Mac OS X? Also, do the Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain >>> options actually turn the screen off? >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> james >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Alex Jurgensen >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 5:22 AM >>> Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? >>> >>> Hi, >>> James, >>> >>> Just continue with Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain together. >>> I should write a CLI script for this. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 5-Jul-09, at 2:39 PM, James & Nash wrote: >>> Hi folks, This might sound like an odd question, but as i cannot see the screen I was wondering if there was a way to turn it off? I know that you can turn the screen brightness right down and use the Screen Curtain which effectively does this which was what I used to do. But I was wondering if there was a solution via the Command Line. In Linux, this can be achieved by something like dpms off. This keeps the screen off until you either use dpms on our restart the pc. I have tried turning off my laptop screen in Windows, and JFW doesn't like it too much. As VO is built directly into the system i assume it doesn't use video intercept but instead gets its access info direct from the Mac OS X kernel? Thanks for any help that you can provide Thank you for taking the time to read this. Take care James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Turning off MacBook screens?
Not to mention these options are wonderful if you are a partial with light sensative eyes. Before I got my Macbook Pro, if I had a headache, I couldn't do homework because all my homework was on my gateway, and the bright screen of my gateway would make my headaches worse. When I got my macbook pro, I could work even when I had a headache. I even had instances where I shook off my head pains after a couple hours of writing up estronomy problem sets etc. Justin On Jul 6, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Of course don't forget you can turn off the backlight for the > keyboard on the MacBook Pro as well. There is an option in System > Preferences under Keyboard for this and it is to disable keyboard > backlight. Illuminate keyboard in low light conditions and > unchecking as far as I know will disable this feature. > On Jul 6, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > >> Dimming the screen down will at least completely turn off the >> illumination, a far cry fromm what most computers will let you do. >> On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:43 AM, James & Nash wrote: >> >>> Thanks Scott, >>> >>> That is a real shame I think. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> James >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Scott Howell >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? >>> >>> Screen curtain does not turn the screen off. If you turn the >>> brightness down as far as it will go, that will help save your >>> battery, but I do not believe you can turn the screen off entirely- >>> in other words cut power to it. >>> On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:38 AM, James & Nash wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Am I corect in thinking that the Linux commandline options will >>>> work under Mac OS X? If so, if I could find out how to write >>>> shell scripts or whatever they are called do you think they would >>>> work under Mac OS X? Also, do the Screen Brightness and Screen >>>> Curtain options actually turn the screen off? >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> >>>> james >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: Alex Jurgensen >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 5:22 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> James, >>>> >>>> Just continue with Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain together. >>>> I should write a CLI script for this. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5-Jul-09, at 2:39 PM, James & Nash wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> >>>>> This might sound like an odd question, but as i cannot see the >>>>> screen I was wondering if there was a way to turn it off? I know >>>>> that you can turn the screen brightness right down and use the >>>>> Screen Curtain which effectively does this which was what I used >>>>> to do. But I was wondering if there was a solution via the >>>>> Command Line. In Linux, this can be achieved by something like >>>>> dpms off. This keeps the screen off until you either use dpms on >>>>> our restart the pc. >>>>> >>>>> I have tried turning off my laptop screen in Windows, and JFW >>>>> doesn't like it too much. As VO is built directly into the >>>>> system i assume it doesn't use video intercept but instead gets >>>>> its access info direct from the Mac OS X kernel? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any help that you can provide >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for taking the time to read this. >>>>> >>>>> Take care >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
