Re: duplicate messages
or we could put it back the way it was. On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:09 AM, Randy Stegall wrote: When replying to a message from this list *please* remember to delete the address from the*to* field. This will prevent a second message being sent. Thanks. Randy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
what apple menus say and do:
HI all, Someone somewhere explained this better than I will a while back, but in the case of battery status for instance, what you are seeing is by design, it is reporting what will happen when you click it, not what is. so if you know this and you see status reported and time isted, you will kow that when you click status, you will see time reported and status listed. I hope I didn't confuse anyone with this. It is kind of like the light switches that are built so that they are up when they are off and down when they are on --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: what apple menus say and do:
ok, I just revissitted this and somehow, it works the way it is supposed to work unless this has been misslabeled forever or vo is rreporting incorrect info. I say this because I cannot imagine it's been overlooked by design for this long a time and as I mentioned before, someone did explain how this works and it made sense at the time. On Mar 1, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi David While you're correct for the most part, this doesn't apply to the battery menu,s time/percentage choices. These are, in fact, reversed for reasons that are unknown to me. They have a check mark next to the item that is supposed to be shown, so the battery menu is much more like a traditional menu. For some reason, though, when the check mark is next to percentage, time shows up and when it is next to time, percentage shows up. This is most definitely reversed. In most other menus, you're absolutely correct about the approach most Mac developers take. In safari, for example, when you see "hide bookmarks bar" that is exactly what it will do when you push it, and that menu item will change to "show bookmarks bar" to reflect that the bookmarks bar is now hidden and will be shown if you activate that menu choice. This just doesn't apply to the battery menu, however. On Mar 1, 2009, at 17:15, David Poehlman wrote: > > HI all, > > Someone somewhere explained this better than I will a while back, but > in the case of battery status for instance, what you are seeing is by > design, it is reporting what will happen when you click it, not what > is. so if you know this and you see status reported and time isted, > you will kow that when you click status, you will see time reported > and status listed. > > I hope I didn't confuse anyone with this. It is kind of like the > light switches that are built so that they are up when they are off > and down when they are on > > >> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Possible Cure for Safari Interaction Losing
this is not the case for me. I regularly hold down my vo keys and it only happens on certain sites. On Mar 2, 2009, at 2:31 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Diagnosis: Safari randomly causes Voiceover to lose interaction with web pages. Recommended Treatment: Lock the VO Keys". "CTRL" + "OPT" + ";". If you lock them while prowsing a page it shouldn't lose interaction. Reason: The reason that this treatment is prescribed to patients experiancing the above symptoms is because the vital organ of Voiceover seems to lose its interaction when the users release the "VO" Keys for even a second accidently, resulting in akward behavior. Preposed Treatment Cost: Cad $50, ... Smiley. HOpe this helps, Thanks, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail problem with voiceover.
I'm not having this problem or any other new issue in mail but I did have to restart my system to get the end of screen boundary audibility back. On Mar 3, 2009, at 5:25 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote: I think that is the problem. Just uninstalled it as well, and now on reply it just says "html" not quickly saying "edithtml." When mine was acting up would have to use vo/tab until it would announce the "to:" field, then tab until it got to the html again, move mouse cursor to vo cursor, interact with html and move mouse again. Then I could hear what I was typing usually, but sometimes once I would change paragraphs while typing, it would disappear. Not very handy. But since I hd also just installed adium wasn't sure if it was new Safari or Adium, or some sort of other bug. Even reset Vo back to defaults, straightened up for a couple of e-mails and then back again. Now back to Safari 3, and it seems to be acting normal again in mail. 73. On Mar 3, 2009, at 4:08 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Cara, John and everyone, > > I've had this problem, too. I think it's related to Safari 4. I > uninstalled Safari 4 and everything seems fine again. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On Mar 3, 2009, at 2:43 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> >> John , I've also started noticing some flavor of this behavior. >> For me, as I'm reading back over a reply I've just written, I >> sometimes lose the ability to navigate around within the message >> body. Not sure why on earth this would happen, but I've found that >> shift tabbing out of the message body and back in again fixes this. >> >> HOpe this helps and do let us know how you get on?… Thanks so >> much!… >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:33 PM, John J Herzog wrote: >> >> >> Hi listers, >> I am having a problem with mail that just started occurring. Whenever >> I interact with a message using voiceover, I lose the ability to type >> any more text into the message body. This is especially true when >> I am >> sending a reply to someone. >> Here's what happens. I can write in the message initially. However, >> when I interact with the message and move the cursor where I want to >> insert more text, I just get a bonk sound as I try typing. Nothing >> appears on the screen. The only way to fix this is to turn voiceover >> off and then turn it on again. >> What's going on here? I used to be able to interact with a message, >> and move the cursor somewhere other than the end of the message, and >> insert whatever I wanted. Did something get messed up in mail? If so, >> how do I change it back to normal? This is really starting to get >> frustrating. >> >> Thanks, >> John >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: mail problem with voiceover.
interesting, I never thought to use the vo cursor in the first place. On Mar 3, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi John and Cara. Don't use the VO cursor when writing mails. I've also had this problem, but when I only use the tab key and the arrow keys, I never have this problem. This is the same in Text edit. I have had a lot of focus problems, but if I only use the arrow keys, it works fine. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 03/03/2009, at 02.33, John J Herzog wrote: > > Hi listers, > I am having a problem with mail that just started occurring. Whenever > I interact with a message using voiceover, I lose the ability to type > any more text into the message body. This is especially true when I am > sending a reply to someone. > Here's what happens. I can write in the message initially. However, > when I interact with the message and move the cursor where I want to > insert more text, I just get a bonk sound as I try typing. Nothing > appears on the screen. The only way to fix this is to turn voiceover > off and then turn it on again. > What's going on here? I used to be able to interact with a message, > and move the cursor somewhere other than the end of the message, and > insert whatever I wanted. Did something get messed up in mail? If so, > how do I change it back to normal? This is really starting to get > frustrating. > > Thanks, > John > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari so busy in downloads window
no. On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:48 AM, william lomas wrote: hi since safari 4 I note that whenever I am downloading something safari always seems busy when downloading and voice over does not interact as easily with the list ite to show progress has anyone else noted this? will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Questions about bootcamp
bootcamp is deffinately faster. On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: Hi Kara, Thanks for your prompt reply to my e-mail. When I asked if Bootcamp or Fusion was better, I should have been clearer. What I want to know is whether the performance of Bootcamp is faster than that of Fusion, or vice versa. Cordially, Rafael -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cara Quinn Sent: Tue 3/3/2009 6:39 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Questions about bootcamp Rafael, you can select an OS at startup by holding down the option key for a few seconds, when you hear the chime. then you'll simply use right or left arrows to select the OS and press enter to boot into that OS. The BootCamp installed OS will always be the last OS all the way to the right, as far as I know. -Corrections anyone?. :-) As far as Fusion being 'better' or 'worse' than BootCamp? they're two totally different ways of running other OS's on your Mac. BootCamp runs an OS natively, whereas Fusion is a virtual solution. HTH and have an awesome evening!. Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote: Hello everyone, I'm writing to ask those of you who use Bootcamp a couple of questions. First, how accessible is it? That is, how do you choose which OS to use at start-up? Second, is Bootcamp better than fusion? Why or why not? Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. Cordially, Rafael Bejarano --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Moving iTunes from Windows to Mac
dunno if this will work from windows to mac, but I moved from mac to mack just by copying my /users/davidpoehlman/music/itunes/ folder to the same place on my other mac before launching ITunes for the first time and it looked just like the other. On Mar 4, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi All, I am in the process of transitioning my wife from Windows to the Mac. She has an extensive iTunes library on her Windows machine. Is there a way to move this iTunes library to the Mac version of iTunes? Thanks, Robert Carter --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: IWork and ILife
many find iwork quite accessible but some like using open office which is free. I've not seen much on ilife. On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Dean Adams wrote: Hey All, Before golng and buying either Iwork or Ilife can someone let me know how accessable IWork and ILife is with VO as I don't wont the go out and buy either if they are not Vo accessable. Regards Dean !!!Thoughts become things so choose the good ones because Life's to short to be a grumble bum !!! • Email: d...@internode.on.net • Phone: 0243206031 • Skype: deanadams9 • Mobile: 0428133758 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Reading large amounts of text on a web page
or you can put the page into text edit it and work with it. On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:14 AM, constantlyvaria...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Mike, currently the only way of doing this is to stop interacting with the HTML content and then press VO-A to read the entire web page. Other than that, our only option is to read by paragraph as you described. Let's hope a read-to-end function gets implemented. Best regards, Felix Grützmacher --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text
how are we to know? On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:20 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good afternoon, Can anyone confirm that Safari 4beta is not reading linked text on web pages when a title attribute is available for the link? An example is the list of links under Recent Articles on http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.wCAWtalks0305/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview Thanks, Everett --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text
ah, well, on sites I have visitted that I know, I've not sen this issue come up but in most other respects, beta 4 is a happy experience. On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:33 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good afternoon David, I know that thi is happening on my system because I am familiar with the site and because I checked the source for the page. I was just wondering if this might just be a problem for me, or if this is the new Safari behaviour for everyone. Thanks, Everett On 5-Mar-09, at 2:30 PM, David Poehlman wrote: > > how are we to know? > > On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:20 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > > > Good afternoon, > > Can anyone confirm that Safari 4beta is not reading linked text on web > pages when a title attribute is available for the link? > > An example is the list of links under Recent Articles on > http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.wCAWtalks0305/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview > > Thanks, > Everett > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text
I still have the old webkit verrsion I've been using. On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:44 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good afternoon David, Out of curiousity, did you go from Safari 3 to Safari 4 or from a recent Webkit build to Safari 4? This might explain you not seeing a difference. Or, it could be that the sites you visit don't use the title attribute for linked text. Thanks, Everett On 5-Mar-09, at 2:37 PM, David Poehlman wrote: > > ah, well, on sites I have visitted that I know, I've not sen this > issue come up but in most other respects, beta 4 is a happy > experience. > > On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:33 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > > > Good afternoon David, > > I know that thi is happening on my system because I am familiar with > the site and because I checked the source for the page. > > I was just wondering if this might just be a problem for me, or if > this is the new Safari behaviour for everyone. > > Thanks, > Everett > > > On 5-Mar-09, at 2:30 PM, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> how are we to know? >> >> On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:20 PM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> >> >> Good afternoon, >> >> Can anyone confirm that Safari 4beta is not reading linked text on >> web >> pages when a title attribute is available for the link? >> >> An example is the list of links under Recent Articles on >> http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.wCAWtalks0305/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview >> >> Thanks, >> Everett >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4, and mail
why would you need to interact with the text? you can use arrows by themselves just fine. On Mar 5, 2009, at 4:40 PM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi Simon, The problem with mail and safari is this. Often times, you will lose the ability to type in a message with voiceover. To reproduce this problem, do the following. 1. Provided you have safari 4 installed, create a new message, or reply to an existing message in mail. 2. Now, write some text in the message body. 3. Next, try interacting with the text by hitting VO shift down arrow. 4. Move the cursor anywhere you like in the message, and then try inserting text. 5. Notice that your mac makes a bonk sound, and no additional text appears on the screen. This, essentially, is the problem. You used to be able to interact with a message to review and add or delete things. Now, this is not possible. 6. To regain focus to the message, hit shift tab, and then hit tab again. On Mar 5, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote: > > Hi listers, > > people have been speaking of a problem between safari 4 and mac mail, > > can someone expand on what this problem actually is for me please? > > Cheers > > Simon f. > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4 loaded page sound
works fine for me. On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all In webkit the loaded webpage sound has been broken for a while. Is such the same in Safari 4 beta? J "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text
no problems here. On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Robert Carter wrote: Hi, I discovered that the Safari beta will not work with the vmware site. Safari crashes everytime I try to go there. I uninstalled the beta and have no problems with the site. Isn't that strange. Robert Carter - Original Message - From: Jacob Schmude To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, Mar 5, 2009 12:25:07 Subject: Re: Safari 4b3 not reading linked text > > > > Seeing as how Safari 4 uses the new Webkit builds, it is going to read > the same way webkit does. For whatever reason, and I'm unsure why, the > Webkit developers have chosen to priorities title attributes over link > text. > You can still get the link text with vo+like on the link, but I wish > they'd change it back. I'm wondering if they're changing the way > information is exposed in preparation for a future voiceover update in > 10.6 perhaps, or a similar reason. > > > On Mar 5, 2009, at 13:20, E.J. Zufelt wrote: > >> >> Good afternoon, >> >> Can anyone confirm that Safari 4beta is not reading linked text on >> web >> pages when a title attribute is available for the link? >> >> An example is the list of links under Recent Articles on >> http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.wCAWtalks0305/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview >> >> Thanks, >> Everett >> >> >> >>> > >The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a > thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot > possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to > get at or repair. > -comDouglas Adams > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: safari 4 loaded page sound
safari 4. On Mar 5, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Is this with webkit? "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 05/03/2009, a las 14:24, David Poehlman escribió: > > works fine for me. > > On Mar 5, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Justin Harford wrote: > > > Hi all > > In webkit the loaded webpage sound has been broken for a while. Is > such the same in Safari 4 beta? > > J > > "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already > tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic > strip. > > > > > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Questions about bootcamp
7 will not work with jaws 8. On Mar 5, 2009, at 7:26 PM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote: This post is really helpful. thanks. On a similar note, does anyone know if I can use the Windows 7 32 bit beta with JAWS 8. I don't really have the money to upgrade my version of JAWS, and I have geeky friends that would rather I didn't install XP on my Mac. Alena Rafael Bejarano wrote: > Important issues to consider. Thanks. > > Rafael > On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Ryan Dour wrote: > >> >> One thing to keep in mind about BootCamp vs. virtualization of any >> kind is that BootCamp is a bootloader with proper drivers and thus >> gives all memory to the OS being booted. When you use virtualization >> technologies you must consider the memory needs of both the host and >> guest operating systems. >> >> My personal suggestion is that each system get 2 GB of RAM. Windows >> performs better with 2 GB, and the Mac performs better with 2 GB if >> you're into having 5 or more apps running at the same time beyond >> normal system processes. JAWS is memory intense, and works best when >> you have only a handful of apps open. >> >> Thus, load that Mac up with 4 GB if you're desire is to have peak >> performance. Processing is another thing, but memory is really going >> to make or break the virtualization experience. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info. That's just what I wanted to know. >>> >>> Rafael >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of E.J. Zufelt >>> Sent: Tue 3/3/2009 10:02 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Questions about bootcamp >>> >>> >>> Good evening, >>> >>> Bootcamp will give you greater performance. However, I run Fusion >>> and >>> for what I do, mostly web development, under Windows XP, Fusion is >>> quite responsive. >>> >>> I would recommend giving things a try with Fusion and if you notice >>> that your virtual machine is sluggish then use bootcamp instead. >>> Also, you can install Windows using bootcamp and then choose to >>> access >>> the installation under Fusion. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Everett >>> >>> >>> On 3-Mar-09, at 11:30 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: >>> Hi Kara, Thanks for your prompt reply to my e-mail. When I asked if Bootcamp or Fusion was better, I should have been clearer. What I want to know is whether the performance of Bootcamp is faster than that of Fusion, or vice versa. Cordially, Rafael -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cara Quinn Sent: Tue 3/3/2009 6:39 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Questions about bootcamp Rafael, you can select an OS at startup by holding down the option key for a few seconds, when you hear the chime. then you'll simply use right or left arrows to select the OS and press enter to boot into that OS. The BootCamp installed OS will always be the last OS all the way to the right, as far as I know. -Corrections anyone?. :-) As far as Fusion being 'better' or 'worse' than BootCamp? they're two totally different ways of running other OS's on your Mac. BootCamp runs an OS natively, whereas Fusion is a virtual solution. HTH and have an awesome evening!. Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote: Hello everyone, I'm writing to ask those of you who use Bootcamp a couple of questions. First, how accessible is it? That is, how do you choose which OS to use at start-up? Second, is Bootcamp better than fusion? Why or why not? Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. Cordially, Rafael Bejarano >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Questions about bootcamp
more on this, check with freedom to be sure. On Mar 5, 2009, at 7:34 PM, David Poehlman wrote: 7 will not work with jaws 8. On Mar 5, 2009, at 7:26 PM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote: This post is really helpful. thanks. On a similar note, does anyone know if I can use the Windows 7 32 bit beta with JAWS 8. I don't really have the money to upgrade my version of JAWS, and I have geeky friends that would rather I didn't install XP on my Mac. Alena Rafael Bejarano wrote: > Important issues to consider. Thanks. > > Rafael > On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Ryan Dour wrote: > >> >> One thing to keep in mind about BootCamp vs. virtualization of any >> kind is that BootCamp is a bootloader with proper drivers and thus >> gives all memory to the OS being booted. When you use virtualization >> technologies you must consider the memory needs of both the host and >> guest operating systems. >> >> My personal suggestion is that each system get 2 GB of RAM. Windows >> performs better with 2 GB, and the Mac performs better with 2 GB if >> you're into having 5 or more apps running at the same time beyond >> normal system processes. JAWS is memory intense, and works best when >> you have only a handful of apps open. >> >> Thus, load that Mac up with 4 GB if you're desire is to have peak >> performance. Processing is another thing, but memory is really going >> to make or break the virtualization experience. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:25 AM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the info. That's just what I wanted to know. >>> >>> Rafael >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of E.J. Zufelt >>> Sent: Tue 3/3/2009 10:02 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Questions about bootcamp >>> >>> >>> Good evening, >>> >>> Bootcamp will give you greater performance. However, I run Fusion >>> and >>> for what I do, mostly web development, under Windows XP, Fusion is >>> quite responsive. >>> >>> I would recommend giving things a try with Fusion and if you notice >>> that your virtual machine is sluggish then use bootcamp instead. >>> Also, you can install Windows using bootcamp and then choose to >>> access >>> the installation under Fusion. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Everett >>> >>> >>> On 3-Mar-09, at 11:30 PM, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kara, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your prompt reply to my e-mail. When I asked if Bootcamp >>>> or Fusion was better, I should have been clearer. What I want to >>>> know is whether the performance of Bootcamp is faster than that of >>>> Fusion, or vice versa. >>>> >>>> Cordially, >>>> Rafael >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of Cara Quinn >>>> Sent: Tue 3/3/2009 6:39 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Questions about bootcamp >>>> >>>> >>>> Rafael, you can select an OS at startup by holding down the option >>>> key for a few seconds, when you hear the chime. then you'll simply >>>> use right or left arrows to select the OS and press enter to boot >>>> into >>>> that OS. The BootCamp installed OS will always be the last OS all >>>> the >>>> way to the right, as far as I know. -Corrections anyone?. :-) >>>> >>>> As far as Fusion being 'better' or 'worse' than BootCamp? they're >>>> two totally different ways of running other OS's on your Mac. >>>> >>>> BootCamp runs an OS natively, whereas Fusion is a virtual solution. >>>> >>>> HTH and have an awesome evening!. >>>> >>>> Smiles, >>>> >>>> Cara :) >>>> --- >>>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >>>> >>>> On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Rafael Bejarano wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> I'm writing to ask those of you who use Bootcamp a couple of >>>> questions. First, how accessible is it? That is, how do you choose >>>> which OS to use at start-up? Second, is Bootcamp better than >>>> fusion? >>>> Why or why not? >>>> >>>> Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. >>>> >>>> Cordially, >>>> Rafael Bejarano >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >>> >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Iwork and Ilife info
try: http://www.crucial.com On Mar 6, 2009, at 3:22 AM, Dean Adams wrote: Hey All, After all your helpful info on iwork and Ilife I have now purchased Iwork and will try to go up to our local mac store and check if they have Ilife installed and check if they will let me have a play with the different parts of it well you can't hurt to ask can you grin :) I am gradually getting used to my Mac PowerBook G4 I would like to add more ram to it as it only has 768 mb of ram and as far as I can find out I can change the 512mb chip for a 1Gig chip to take my ram up to 1.2 gig of ram so will investigate on some ram prices on the net this week. Regards Dean !!!Thoughts become things so choose the good ones because Life's to short to be a grumble bum !!! • Email: d...@internode.on.net • Phone: 0243206031 • Skype: deanadams9 • Mobile: 0428133758 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to mac
hmm, have you got all your mac updates? there was an update a while back that I think fixed this issue. in any event, if you leave one or another of them on long enough you may have force windows to do it, but the mac should update automatically. On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:54 PM, JP Isaac wrote: Hi all, Though I've my mac for a year or so now, I'm only getting into it now. I've spent most of my time using Windows XP with Boot Camp. One thing I'm noticing is a disparity between the mac os and the windows time. If I set windows to the correct time, the mac time is inevitably 10 hours off. In turn, if I set the mac to the correct time, windows is inevitably also 10 hours off. I've checked both systems and they are each set for Pacific time and autmoatic update. Any ideas on what I can do to keep these times in sync? Thanks, == J --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New to mac
update the time that is. On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:54 PM, JP Isaac wrote: Hi all, Though I've my mac for a year or so now, I'm only getting into it now. I've spent most of my time using Windows XP with Boot Camp. One thing I'm noticing is a disparity between the mac os and the windows time. If I set windows to the correct time, the mac time is inevitably 10 hours off. In turn, if I set the mac to the correct time, windows is inevitably also 10 hours off. I've checked both systems and they are each set for Pacific time and autmoatic update. Any ideas on what I can do to keep these times in sync? Thanks, == J --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: new iPod Nano 16G
Mark, using voiceover or your favorite windows screen reader, you can setup any nano 4g. As has already been said, you need to select the voice you want to use in the system first as in the speech panel of windows control pannel or the speech panel of system prefs on the mac. when you first hook your nano up, ITunes will open and you need to follow the onscreen instructions. On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:59 AM, M AUSTEN wrote: Hello, Is anyone using the new iPod Nano 16Gb, I have a couple of questions. Is it accessible from the Box? What Voice does it use? Can it be changed in Universal Access and can it be done by someone with virtually no sight at all? Any help would be great. Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: vo curser jumping, cut within finder, and selecting multiple items
jason, I don't recall having this issue. when I focus on the progress, it stays there but if I move aay and back, I have to focus again. On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Jason Custer wrote: Hello, I have a cuple questions. First, I notice that when I am in some applications, My VoiceOver curser jumps to controls against my will so to speak. Example: Tube- tv, the progress window, While looking at the progress of a download, The vo cursor jumps to the cancel button. How can I prevent this? Second, Why can I copy files in finder, command+c, but not cut them command+x. As it stands, I have to copy my file(s), which takes longer than just moving them, then go back and delete them. Alternatively, I go to terminal and use mv. Suggestions? Last question, this one is easier. How do I select multiple items, in finder for example, that are not next to eachother? For example, in a, b, c, d, e, How do I select b, d, e? Thank you for your assistance. Jason Custer --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Vague posts -was- Re: espeak on mac?
modorator please! take this discussion off list? On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: Alex, I've said this before, these one-liners clutter the list much more than any content you'd post. So, what I'm saying here, to be clear, is rather than post a one line note about what you're doing or planning to do without either including any content or asking outright for specific assistance, do either say in real terms what you're doing, by showing the list some actual content, or pose a clear request either to the list for specific assistance with what you're doing. Otherwise you're simply using bandwidth without contributing. I'm saying this to be clear, as I'd really like to see this behavior change without my having to come up with some ridiculous list rule about such, K?… So this is just a friendly reminder not only to you, but to the list as a whole, to please have some consideration for other listers. Said simply, don't post unless you have something helpful / useful to share with everyone. If we all do this then the list will really run smoothly and we won't accidentally be stepping on eachother's toes. - Make sense?… Thanks for taking time to read, and I wish you all a lovely weekend!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 7, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, It isn't closeness, just unclutterness of the list. Thanks, Alex, On 28-Feb-09, at 11:39 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > > hi. > Alex how about you just tell us all what you have done instead of all > that closeness? > sounds like a better approach:) > espeak is another open speech which you can sortta use with mac as it > is. > When i say like i do it's cause... you can use it with irc like tail-f > -n1 filename|speak -s 300 and your irc-client speaks. > It works okay for both irssi and xchat. > so i was wanting too use it as we use fred alex and so on. > To ryan: > for 6 month ago you could not use flightgear as a blind person you can > today. > Nothing is impossible the impossible things just takes more time:) > > /sandi > now On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> I figured out what needs to be done. I'm willing to let anyone who >> wants into the project I've started to do this. Just E-mail me at: >> asquare...@gmail.com >> . I have done research on doing tis. >> >> Thanks, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 7-Mar-09, at 11:39 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >>> >>> Yep, there is a package on I believe the second DVD. I dont' have my >>> DVD handy, but I think it is in a folder called extras or optional >>> packages. You'll know it when you encounter it. >>> On Feb 28, 2009, at 10:59 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> Hi Greg thank you for your answer") I was not aware i had any devtools with my mac. will go and look in to what i got with the mini. I am nearly sure i did not get any with the mac book air, but i can be wrong. /sandi On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: > > We looked into it at Curtin but had to stop do to other issue > here. > We > did not get very far. The basic process is to make a sysnsisier > for > each vendor of voices. There is sample code for doing this in the > developer tools that come with the mac. > > Greg > On Mar 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, sandi sørensen wrote: > >> >> Greg agree. >> But my main problem so far have been to find out where the voices >> are >> selected. >> I dont doubt i will find a way to make it work If ivox voices can >> be >> added so can espeak:) >> of course we would have too live with the 370 words pr minute >> rule >> or >> so i think but that ought too be fast enough for a start at >> least. >> Greg was it not you who actually tried making it native at some >> point ? >> /sandi >> On Mar 7, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Greg Kearney wrote: >> >>> >>> I vote for making them native voices. >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM, sandi sørensen wrote: >>> hi all. For some days ago some one asked me if espeak could be used as the default voice on the mac so well can it ? I am considering looking in too it to see what can be done about it. I can see too ways 1 make it natively show up in the voiceover voice selection or 2 make a hack around it. But before i do alot of things any ideas? /sandi > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> >>> > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from thi
Re: Re-sizing a window
and there is also a zoom item in the window menu. On Mar 8, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Scott Bresnahan wrote: Hi, Gary, Usually, clicking on the zoom button on the top left (the third vo heard item in most windows (close button, minimize button, zoom button) will expand a window to full screen. If the window is already expanded, it will usually return it to the previous size. --Scott -- --Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using JAWS on my Mac
set jaws to laptop mode nd use the capslock. that is what I am doing and others as well. - Original Message - From: To: "MacVisionaries" Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:06 PM Subject: using JAWS on my Mac I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering if anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard. For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key? Thanks Alena --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
we already have this in vo. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi Tiffany, This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of overview giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where when navigating and how it works. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: > As for what I'd like to see, I'd love > there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the > applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to > use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the > answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is > accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
The visual ways of doing things re explained but we have full access via the keyboard to the gui if it is accessible. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Tiffany D wrote: I think it's wonderful what you're doing and I'm with you 100%. You're setting a great example and considering how Apple is so comitted to accessibility it should be easier to get other developers on board than if you were using a different os. In any case, I saw no need for self-voicing aps until I read about the programs with completely different interfaces. I still think none should be needed if VoiceOver can do the job. As for what I'd like to see, I'd love there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. Best of luck, Tiffanitsa On 08/03/2009, Chris Gilland wrote: > By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running > the > program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, > give the > user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely on > speech just > within the program itself. Kind a like what happens with the clock > being > self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if you set that up in > universal > access. Hince: you don't need vo running for that to work. > > Chris. > > Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My > twitter URL is: > > http://twitter.com/chris28210 > - Original Message - > From: Martin Pilkington > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs > > > Hi Chris, > > > I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user > is > using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If > OS X > doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices > I'll try > and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it > in a > future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure > what > you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what > it > would do? > > > My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy > to make > them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't > really front > and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything > is quite > as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in > places so > these will require more work. > > > As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide > zoom and > invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as > making > text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to > give > them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for > everything > in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more > system wide > features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them > done right. > > > Thanks for your feedback! > > > - > > Martin Pilkington > > Writer of Weird Symbols > > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > > >I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. > Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing feature, > this way > if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, he or she still > can do > what needs to be done. Also, I would make your labels for the U I, > very > discriptive but yet maybe slightly shorter for the interface that is > viewed > via a braille display. This way the point is made but only the > absolutely > necessary amount of cells are used, this way providing more room for > other > things, such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you > write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice over > friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to be > able to > enable magnification in the program for low vision usersw. Also maybe > provide an option to turn the programs U I color to high contrast. > >This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who > are nearly compltely total. > >Chris. > > > > > > > >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
this is redundant. the clock is self voicing on the hour for those who don't need vo to take advantage of it. if I had a mind to, I'm sure I could write an app to have vo announce te time at peridocic intervals. The only reason to make an app self voicing is that it cannot fit into the normal paradigm. consider chess and the calculator. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:26 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: By self voicing I mean, have it so that with voice over not running the program would still speak right out of the box. In other words, give the user the option of using voice over, or! being able to rely on speech just within the program itself. Kind a like what happens with the clock being self voicing upon the hr half hr or quarter, if you set that up in universal access. Hince: you don't need vo running for that to work. Chris. Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. My twitter URL is: http://twitter.com/chris28210 - Original Message - From: Martin Pilkington To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:09 PM Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs Hi Chris, I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user is using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If OS X doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices I'll try and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it in a future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure what you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what it would do? My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy to make them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't really front and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything is quite as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in places so these will require more work. As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide zoom and invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as making text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to give them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for everything in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more system wide features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them done right. Thanks for your feedback! - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs U I color > to high contrast. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
it is not possible to do braille display detection for your purposes on the mac os. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:09 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi Chris, I'm not 100% sure whether it is possible to detect whether the user is using a braille display or not, but I'll definitely look into it. If OS X doesn't allow me to give different descriptions to braille devices I'll try and get in touch with developers at Apple to see if they can add it in a future version. As for the self voicing feature, I'm a little unsure what you mean. Could you give an example of how it would be used and what it would do? My applications are already in Cocoa and it is indeed fairly easy to make them voice over friendly, though the options to do this aren't really front and centre so they can often be forgotten. Of course not everything is quite as easy to make accessible, especially as I use custom controls in places so these will require more work. As for magnification and high contrast modes, do the system wide zoom and invert colours features not solve that problem? Some things such as making text in some areas bigger and allowing users to customise colours to give them a higher contrast are relatively easy, but to do these for everything in an application would be extremely difficult. These are more system wide features Apple would need to do themselves in order to have them done right. Thanks for your feedback! - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 12:37 am, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs U I color > to high contrast. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
You should be talking to greg kearny. On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:06 PM, Ryan Dour wrote: As a great example, an app like Boxee would be amazing with self voicing menus. Boxee is a media center app like FrontRow, but able to do much more. However, that doesn't help any of us, as it doesn't have hooks for Voiceover. The interface is not one that uses standard windows and objects. It is more like the menus found in video games, never the same twice and graphically intense. I believe a self voicing approach is necessary in cases like these. In standard apps, such as Skype, Pages, Safari, etc, Voiceover helps unify what already should be considered common controls and interfaces. A table in Skype looks very similar to a table in Mail, and that's what makes a Mac app so appealing. When people follow the look and feel of the OS, it helps cut down on the learning curve for the user. Ryan On Mar 8, 2009, at 7:41 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: > very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option > isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. > mike > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > >> I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system >> preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if >> needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing >> feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, >> he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make >> your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly >> shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. >> This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount >> of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, >> such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write >> your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice >> over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to >> be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision >> usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs st. >> >> This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself >> who are nearly compltely total. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. >> My twitter URL is: >> >> http://twitter.com/chris28210 >> - Original Message - >> From: Martin Pilkington >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM >> Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs >> >> Hi All, >> >> Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a >> software developer on the Mac. I'm sta bility push and I'm trying >> to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this >> push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the >> end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: >> >> 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly >> as the visual UI. >> 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. >> 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. >> 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI >> fields with the keyboard. >> 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the >> mouse. >> >> Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't >> got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help >> me. Are there any other major points you would say an application >> needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would >> like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairme e >> standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a >> full text description of the current window and how to use it, at >> any point in the application >> >> Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my >> pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But >> getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. >> The most important piece is understanding exactly what your current >> problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any >> feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> >> - >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> >> >> ace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> >> Michael Babcock >> GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web >> Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 4121 >> email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net >> administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net >> url: http://gwhosting.net > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegr
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
self voicing should never be needed and in all 3rd party cases I've seen it implemented for the mac os it is disasterous. you only need look at firevox to understand this. On Mar 8, 2009, at 8:41 PM, Michael Babcock wrote: very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. mike On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs st. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > > > Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. > My twitter URL is: > > http://twitter.com/chris28210 > - Original Message - > From: Martin Pilkington > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM > Subject: Understanding Blind User's Needs > > Hi All, > > Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a > software developer on the Mac. I'm sta bility push and I'm trying to > get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this push is > a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the end of > 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: > > 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as > the visual UI. > 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. > 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. > 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields > with the keyboard. > 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. > > Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't > got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. > Are there any other major points you would say an application needs > to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to > find in an application as a user with a visual impairme e standard > Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a full text > description of the current window and how to use it, at any point in > the application > > Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my > pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But > getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The > most important piece is understanding exactly what your current > problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any > feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > > > ace; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "> > Michael Babcock > GW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The Web > Phone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 4121 > email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.net > administrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.net > url: http://gwhosting.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Martin, I'd be happy to test any vo compatible apps you develop or that you know of that are developped. this is 100 ercent accessibility. I don't know what software you write or have written but would encourage youto stick to apple accessibility apis and work with apple if something is missing. On Mar 8, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi All, Let me introduce myself. My name is Martin Pilkington and I'm a software developer on the Mac. I'm starting to do a big accessibility push and I'm trying to get many developers to join me. One of the key parts of this push is a pledge to make all my applications 100% accessible by the end of 2009. I've defined 100% accessible to mean 5 things: 1. The UI available to VoiceOver users should be as user friendly as the visual UI. 2. All UI elements should have titles and/or descriptions. 3. All custom controls should provide full keyboard access. 4. There should be a clear and logical order to navigating UI fields with the keyboard. 5. Every part of an application should be reachable without the mouse. Now I'm coming at this from the perspective of someone who hasn't got a disability, so I'm hoping everyone on this list could help me. Are there any other major points you would say an application needs to be 100% accessible to you? Are there any things you would like to find in an application as a user with a visual impairment that aren't part of the standard Mac accessibility tool? For example, an option to get a full text description of the current window and how to use it, at any point in the application Hopefully I can get a lot of other Mac developers to join me in my pledge, some others have already come on board with the idea. But getting the developers on board is just one piece of the puzzle. The most important piece is understanding exactly what your current problems and wishes are for accessibility in Mac apps so any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
self voicing apps and voiceover:
Hi all, we've been discussing self voicing/voice over accessible apps in another thread but I thought this might be a more compatible subject line for that discussion. I wanted to mention an excellent package demonstrating what can be done on the mac os with regard to vo compatibility and self voicing lest I give the impression that I think all attempts to have failed. http://www.assistiveware.com has produced VisioVoice which is a screen aide for the mac bundled with the InfovoxIvox voices from Acapella group. VisioVoice can also be used with the mac os voices but when it was first developped, this was not possible. I do not work for the company, but am greatful to David and the team at Assistiveware for their efforts on behalf of visually impaired mac users. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using JAWS on my Mac
if I recall, this is a bootcamp setup, we already have jaws and there are no video issues with bootcamp. On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: Alena, Have you tried using System Access to Go? www.satogo.com. It has no video intercept issues, and it should work with whatever Windows operating you have installed. Richie Gardenhire, anchorage, Alaska. On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I am sad to say though that I > will be removing my Windows partition. I have JAWS 8 and my graphics > processor is too new to run my version of JAWS. I have no ability to > upgrade JAWS so I guess I'll just have to figure out how to uses my > Mac for everything. > > Alena > Blog: http://blind-gal.blogspot.com > > > david poehlman wrote: >> set jaws to laptop mode nd use the capslock. that is what I am >> doing and >> others as well. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: >> To: "MacVisionaries" >> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:06 PM >> Subject: using JAWS on my Mac >> >> >> >> I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering if >> anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard. >> For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key? >> Thanks >> >> Alena >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using JAWS on my Mac
sorry about this, I hadn't seen the other message. On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: Alena, Have you tried using System Access to Go? www.satogo.com. It has no video intercept issues, and it should work with whatever Windows operating you have installed. Richie Gardenhire, anchorage, Alaska. On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I am sad to say though that I > will be removing my Windows partition. I have JAWS 8 and my graphics > processor is too new to run my version of JAWS. I have no ability to > upgrade JAWS so I guess I'll just have to figure out how to uses my > Mac for everything. > > Alena > Blog: http://blind-gal.blogspot.com > > > david poehlman wrote: >> set jaws to laptop mode nd use the capslock. that is what I am >> doing and >> others as well. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: >> To: "MacVisionaries" >> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:06 PM >> Subject: using JAWS on my Mac >> >> >> >> I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering if >> anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard. >> For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key? >> Thanks >> >> Alena >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. the display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of short or long labels. as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see vo-f1 and vo-f2 On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi David, Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? What I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into this for a future OS version. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wrote: > > we already have this in vo. > > On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > > Hi Tiffany, > > This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of overview > giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at > any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically > for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where when > navigating and how it works. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: > >> As for what I'd like to see, I'd love >> there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the >> applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to >> use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the >> answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is >> accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: using JAWS on my Mac
I didn't think she had bootcamp set up to use virtual windows. her problem is not a video intercept issue anyway, it's her version of jaws not supporting the graphics card although come to think of it, I have 8 running on my mac. I'll have to think on this. On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: No problem. I wasn't aware that you had BootCamp set up to use virtual Windows. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Mar 9, 2009, at 12:04 PM, David Poehlman wrote: > > sorry about this, I hadn't seen the other message. > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > > > Alena, Have you tried using System Access to Go? www.satogo.com. It > has no video intercept issues, and it should work with whatever > Windows operating you have installed. Richie Gardenhire, anchorage, > Alaska. > > > On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, alena.roberts2...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I am sad to say though that I >> will be removing my Windows partition. I have JAWS 8 and my graphics >> processor is too new to run my version of JAWS. I have no ability to >> upgrade JAWS so I guess I'll just have to figure out how to uses my >> Mac for everything. >> >> Alena >> Blog: http://blind-gal.blogspot.com >> >> >> david poehlman wrote: >>> set jaws to laptop mode nd use the capslock. that is what I am >>> doing and >>> others as well. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: >>> To: "MacVisionaries" >>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:06 PM >>> Subject: using JAWS on my Mac >>> >>> >>> >>> I have installed Windows on my Mac using boot camp. I am wondering >>> if >>> anyone knows the keyboard shortcuts for JAWS using the mac keyboard. >>> For instance, how do I do any commands that use the "insert" key? >>> Thanks >>> >>> Alena >>> > > > > > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Using a standard mac keyboard on my mac book pro
your keyboard comes with a user guide, failing accessibility of that manual, you should be able to find a pdf online. I'm sure someone will write these out for you but a handy reference is a good thing o have. On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Hello Everyone, I purchased a full size keyboard for my macbook pro. I went into keyboard learn mode, however their are a lot of keys that are not spoken. Would anyone know where I could find information about what these keys are used for? I also need to know where and if the fn key is on the full keyboard? If it is not could it be added to one of the keys that are not spoken? Thanks in advanced. Scott --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
braille:Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
Apple could provide configurability for labels for vo but unless they make it available through the accessibility api, it would not do much for 3rd party accessibility apps. The normal approach is to have braille as a subset of the assistive technology and configure it through the assistive technology. On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi David, Unless I'm missing something, hitting vo-F1 just reads the current application and how many open applications there are and vo-f2 just reads the title of the current window. I'm talking more about describing what UI elements are on the window and where they are. For example "On the left of the screen is the source list, it shows all your groups. In the top right in a list of all your items". Obviously it would be more detailed than this but it would also describe what actions are available. And yes, while it isn't a bug, I just refer to it as filing a bug in their bug reporter even though it is a feature request. But the point is, as Apple writes the drivers they could add support to voice over for setting a braille description string for a UI element. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 8:07 pm, David Poehlman wrote: > > this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. the > display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into > voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of short > or long labels. > > as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see > vo-f1 and vo-f2 > On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > > Hi David, > > Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? What > I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than > what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, > I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into > this for a future OS version. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> we already have this in vo. >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >> >> Hi Tiffany, >> >> This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of overview >> giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at >> any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically >> for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where >> when >> navigating and how it works. >> >> Thanks >> >> - >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: >> >>> As for what I'd like to see, I'd love >>> there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the >>> applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to >>> use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the >>> answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is >>> accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
we can get that info. also, yu might want to wait till snow leopard comes out because if they do what they usually do, they will enhance vo. On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: Hi David, Unless I'm missing something, hitting vo-F1 just reads the current application and how many open applications there are and vo-f2 just reads the title of the current window. I'm talking more about describing what UI elements are on the window and where they are. For example "On the left of the screen is the source list, it shows all your groups. In the top right in a list of all your items". Obviously it would be more detailed than this but it would also describe what actions are available. And yes, while it isn't a bug, I just refer to it as filing a bug in their bug reporter even though it is a feature request. But the point is, as Apple writes the drivers they could add support to voice over for setting a braille description string for a UI element. Thanks - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 8:07 pm, David Poehlman wrote: > > this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. the > display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into > voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of short > or long labels. > > as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see > vo-f1 and vo-f2 > On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: > > Hi David, > > Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? What > I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than > what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, > I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into > this for a future OS version. > > Thanks > > - > Martin Pilkington > Writer of Weird Symbols > pi...@mcubedsw.com > > > On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wrote: > >> >> we already have this in vo. >> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >> >> Hi Tiffany, >> >> This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of overview >> giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up at >> any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically >> for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where >> when >> navigating and how it works. >> >> Thanks >> >> - >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> On 9 Mar 2009, at 1:43 am, Tiffany D wrote: >> >>> As for what I'd like to see, I'd love >>> there to be, either in the help file or in the tutorials of the >>> applications, a list of commands so that those just learning how to >>> use the software or those who need a refresher can easily find the >>> answers they're seeking. Many times, I notice software that is >>> accessible but only the visual ways of doing things are explained. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
we can already bring up a list of keyboard commands in voiceover. On Mar 9, 2009, at 6:06 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: I think there is some misunderstanding about what these descriptions would be, but it seems the general consensus is that this sort of thing is better left in the manual. The ability to bring up a list of all the keyboard commands would be extremely useful to all users so I'll definitely look into it. Thanks for all the feedback - Martin Pilkington Writer of Weird Symbols pi...@mcubedsw.com On 9 Mar 2009, at 9:41 pm, Justin Harford wrote: > > I wouldn't rely on the next cat for any of this. > > You know we have had people commenting before that they would like > webpages to describe themselves like under win, (6 headings, 81 links, > 2 frames" etc… maybe we could use something like this in an > application. What someone could suggest to apple is that they give > the developer the ability to write descriptions of their application > windows in the same interface that allows them to write button > descriptions and help tags. Then they could designate a VO key to > access this text. Such could be the same in webpages. > > > > "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already > tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic > strip. > > El 09/03/2009, a las 13:49, David Poehlman escribió: > >> >> we can get that info. also, yu might want to wait till snow leopard >> comes out because if they do what they usually do, they will enhance >> vo. >> >> On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> Unless I'm missing something, hitting vo-F1 just reads the current >> application and how many open applications there are and vo-f2 just >> reads the title of the current window. I'm talking more about >> describing what UI elements are on the window and where they are. For >> example "On the left of the screen is the source list, it shows all >> your groups. In the top right in a list of all your items". Obviously >> it would be more detailed than this but it would also describe what >> actions are available. >> >> And yes, while it isn't a bug, I just refer to it as filing a bug in >> their bug reporter even though it is a feature request. But the point >> is, as Apple writes the drivers they could add support to voice over >> for setting a braille description string for a UI element. >> >> Thanks >> >> - >> Martin Pilkington >> Writer of Weird Symbols >> pi...@mcubedsw.com >> >> >> On 9 Mar 2009, at 8:07 pm, David Poehlman wrote: >> >>> >>> this is not a bug. apple write drivers for displays themselves. >>> the >>> display is handled through the driver and tightly integrated into >>> voiceover. the only thing you could offer would be a choice of >>> short >>> or long labels. >>> >>> as to my response to the summarization of what is on the screen, see >>> vo-f1 and vo-f2 >>> On Mar 9, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Could you tell me how to get this overview of the current window? >>> What >>> I'm proposing is something that will be in more natural english than >>> what voice over usually does. As for the braille display detection, >>> I'll look into filing a bug with Apple to see if they will look into >>> this for a future OS version. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> - >>> Martin Pilkington >>> Writer of Weird Symbols >>> pi...@mcubedsw.com >>> >>> >>> On 9 Mar 2009, at 6:26 am, David Poehlman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> we already have this in vo. >>>> >>>> On Mar 8, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Martin Pilkington wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Tiffany, >>>> >>>> This is exactly what I'm meaning when I talk about a sort of >>>> overview >>>> giving a full text description of a window. You could bring it up >>>> at >>>> any point and have it read to you. It would be written specifically >>>> for those using voice over to give a better idea of what is where >>>> when >>>> navigating and how it works. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> - >>>> Martin Pilking
Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs
yes, the apple accessibility api gets us most of the way there and because voiceover is included and full keyboard access is available for the os, almost anything can be made to work and it will not but get better. I've seen a lot of apps become accessible in a short time; ITunes, Iwork, Open office and many others. On Mar 9, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: I think that, too long, screen access was more reactionary because, for the most part, when new technology comes into the marketplace, developers have been scrambling to "keep up," rather than put the universal design in their products in the first place. And it's for this reason, Apple encourages developers to use the scripts built into the operating system. On Mar 9, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > I also agree with this, voice over is a great screen reader, and > apple has > provided the tools to make an application completely accessible. A > self > voicing program normally should not be needed. > - Original Message - > From: "Jacob Schmude" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:12 AM > Subject: Re: Understanding Blind User's Needs > > >> >> Hi Krister >> I'm in full agreement here. Let's not forget what makes the Mac >> platform so awesome, the fact that we need not have any additional >> program other than Voiceover to provide accessibility, and the fact >> that Voiceover is right there for developers to test and with which >> they can make their application compatible. I think the goals Martin >> has already set out are exactly what is needed in 99.99% of all >> applications for good accessibility, and I also must applaud and >> thank >> him for his willingness to do this and for the example he will set. >> The only times self-voicing should be used is if there is no way at >> all to hook the application into Voiceover (very rare), or in the >> case >> of programs that have a lot of background events that need to be >> reported. It is common practice on the Mac to enable the speaking of >> these background events, e.g. a contact signing on or off in an >> instant messaging application. This isn't implemented for the sake of >> the blind, however, a lot of people take advantage of these event >> notifications in some form or another, be they spoken or just a sound >> effect. >> >> >> On Mar 9, 2009, at 05:58, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> Excuse me here a moment, but what do we want? Do we want a specially >>> made program for the blind or an application that both blind and >>> sighted people alike can use without us stepping on eachothers toes? >>> You may think this question is silly or such, but i think it's >>> relevant since what i've heard is more or less about a specially >>> made >>> program for the blind. My advise maybe is provoking i don't know, >>> but >>> here goes: Don't do anything special. Just make sure all controls >>> are >>> made available to the Apple Accessibility framework, and as i >>> understand it, it can be done by writing the app in Cocoa. If the >>> logic of the controls is very bad, then sure it could use some >>> fixing, >>> but otherwise just make all controls visible to the accessibility >>> framework already in place. >>> /Krister >>> >>> >>> 9 mar 2009 kl. 01.41 skrev Michael Babcock: >>> very good points chris, i agree. Though the self voicing option isn't a 100% thing, in some apps it would truly be nice. mike On Mar 8, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > I think it would be cool to use the default voice set via system > preferences and make it where the program can be self voiceing if > needed. Also provide an option to turn on, or off the self > voicing > feature, this way if a user wants to use voice over, great, if > not, > he or she still can do what needs to be done. Also, I would make > your labels for the U I, very discriptive but yet maybe slightly > shorter for the interface that is viewed via a braille display. > This way the point is made but only the absolutely necessary > amount > of cells are used, this way providing more room for other things, > such as the value of the U I control. I may also advise you write > your programs in cocoe as I hear that language is very very voice > over friendly. Finally maybe provide an option for the program to > be able to enable magnification in the program for low vision > usersw. Also maybe provide an option to turn the programs st. > > This way it even helps low vision users as well as us like myself > who are nearly compltely total. > > Chris. > > > Do you use Twitter? If so, then, I'd love! for you to follow me. > My twitter URL is: > > http://twitter.com/chris28210 > - Original Message - > From: Martin Pilkington > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:25 PM > Subject: Understanding Blind Us
Re: what the point in that
right, but if I want to select my song or playlist On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:23 AM, william lomas wrote: hi apple now have a talking ipod shuffle. what is the point in this? if people can't even tell what song they are listening to that crazy lol --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
say only works reliably when vo is turned off:
Hi all, It seems that something has happened to the terminal say command. If I try executing it, I get no errors but nothing is spoken unless I turn off vo. this happens on at least two computers. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: overwrite
Here's what works for me. select the text you want to replace and begin typing. the text will disappear. On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:36 PM, william lomas wrote: hi from speaking to Anne on this subject I guess over write mode like on windows (see below) is not possible? I.e. you highlight a sentence and overwrite it, keeping the fomratting the same in windows you do this in order to keep the format exactly as it is, I overwrite the document in Word. I don`t know the name of the key in English, but on your Computer, there is a key. When you press it and continue to write, the original text disappears letter by letter and your text is there instead. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can lick this. what source is selected when you see this issue? On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Woohoo! More talking iPods!
the web page explains it all. On Mar 12, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi. Does that means that the new Ipods have a built in Voiceover? Or do we still need to make the voices using Itunes? Best regards Søren Jensen Mail & MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 11/03/2009, at 15.12, Buddy Brannan wrote: > > Looks like Apple did this one pretty quietly: > > http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/features.html > > Just to make things more confusing, they're calling the iPod Shuffle's > talking interface Voiceover as well. Sounds like it probably works the > same as the talking features on the Nano. > > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA > Phone: (814) 746-4127 or 888-75-BUDDY > Create your own economic stimulus package: > http://www.powermall.info > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your work. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a movie, i can't see the progress? On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: > > HI David. > > OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text > view > being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab > past the > search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this > the new > iTunes is fine. > > still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone > knows how it > works or can shed some light on it let us all know. > > I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off > cursor > tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. > > > - Original Message - > From: "David Poehlman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM > Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? > > >> >> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources >> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, >> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can >> lick >> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >> >> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >> >> >> Hi Everyone >> I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's >> something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility >> improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief >> among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls >> properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only >> use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump >> from >> the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. >> Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate >> it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover >> doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, >> you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something >> on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got >> another issue. >> >> Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. >> >> >> >> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot >> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to >> get at or repair. >> --Douglas Adams >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
bug well, maybe not. On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually needs to work. While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if that affects anything? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman wrote: > > so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your > work. > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: > > > well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what > about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a > movie, i can't see the progress? > > On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: > >> >> HI David. >> >> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text >> view >> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab >> past the >> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this >> the new >> iTunes is fine. >> >> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >> knows how it >> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >> >> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off >> cursor >> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "David Poehlman" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >> Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? >> >> >>> >>> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources >>> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, >>> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can >>> lick >>> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Everyone >>> I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's >>> something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility >>> improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. >>> Chief >>> among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls >>> properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only >>> use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump >>> from >>> the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. >>> Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here >>> duplicate >>> it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover >>> doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, >>> you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something >>> on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got >>> another issue. >>> >>> Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. >>> >>> >>> >>> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >>> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot >>> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible >>> to >>> get at or repair. >>> --Douglas Adams >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > > > >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
Does tab work at all here? it is my sense that it does not. we have lots o instances where it is necessary for one reason to use vo keys, we have vo keys for a reason. I'd call it a bug if accessibility was not possible. Efficiency is something that improves with time. On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:14 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Yes it is a bug. Or would you prefer that VO not work with keyboard focus navigation at all? Bottom line, if VO doesn't report something correctly, it is most certainly a bug. There's a workaround to this one in using the VO keys, but it's not nearly as fast as being able to press shift-tab once, for example. This means some of us are now less efficient. Not a big deal in iTunes, but what if it were to have happened in,say, Mail? A bug is a bug, and this kind of thing should have been caught by Apple before the release, seeing as how this is a major regression. On Mar 12, 2009, at 09:01, David Poehlman wrote: > > bug well, maybe not. > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, > but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth > reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always > more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually > needs to work. > > While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if > that affects anything? > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman > wrote: >> >> so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do >> your >> work. >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >> >> well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but >> what >> about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a >> movie, i can't see the progress? >> >> On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: >> >>> >>> HI David. >>> >>> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text >>> view >>> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab >>> past the >>> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this >>> the new >>> iTunes is fine. >>> >>> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >>> knows how it >>> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >>> >>> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off >>> cursor >>> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "David Poehlman" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, >>>> sources >>>> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, >>>> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can >>>> lick >>>> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >>>> >>>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone >>>> I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's >>>> something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility >>>> improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. >>>> Chief >>>> among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls >>>> properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only >>>> use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump >>>> from >>>> the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. >>>> Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here >>>> duplicate >>>> it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover >>>> doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first >>>> one, >>>> you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's >>>> something >>>> on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got >>>> another issue. >>>> >>>> Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >&g
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
Scott, It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other areas. On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: How not out of interest? Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that this could be by design and be useful to anyone. On 3/12/09, David Poehlman wrote: > > bug well, maybe not. > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, > but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth > reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always > more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually > needs to work. > > While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if > that affects anything? > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman > wrote: >> >> so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do >> your >> work. >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >> >> well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but >> what >> about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a >> movie, i can't see the progress? >> >> On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: >> >>> >>> HI David. >>> >>> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text >>> view >>> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab >>> past the >>> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this >>> the new >>> iTunes is fine. >>> >>> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >>> knows how it >>> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >>> >>> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off >>> cursor >>> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "David Poehlman" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, >>>> sources >>>> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, >>>> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can >>>> lick >>>> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >>>> >>>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone >>>> I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's >>>> something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility >>>> improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. >>>> Chief >>>> among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls >>>> properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only >>>> use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump >>>> from >>>> the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. >>>> Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here >>>> duplicate >>>> it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover >>>> doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first >>>> one, >>>> you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's >>>> something >>>> on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got >>>> another issue. >>>> >>>> Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >>>> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that >>>> cannot >>>> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible >>>> to >>>> get at or repair. >>>> --Douglas Adams >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > > > > > >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with below. On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE no harm done. Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic access, but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency that's regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, but at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do nobody any harm. Or did I miss something? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman wrote: > > Scott, > It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other areas. > > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > How not out of interest? > Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that > this could be by design and be useful to anyone. > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman > wrote: >> >> bug well, maybe not. >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >> >> True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, >> but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth >> reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's >> always >> more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually >> needs to work. >> >> While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if >> that affects anything? >> >> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >> wrote: >>> >>> so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do >>> your >>> work. >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>> >>> well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but >>> what >>> about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a >>> movie, i can't see the progress? >>> >>> On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> HI David. >>>> >>>> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text >>>> view >>>> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab >>>> past the >>>> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this >>>> the new >>>> iTunes is fine. >>>> >>>> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >>>> knows how it >>>> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off >>>> cursor >>>> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "David Poehlman" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >>>> Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, >>>>> sources >>>>> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, >>>>> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can >>>>> lick >>>>> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>> I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's >>>>> something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility >>>>> improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. >>>>> Chief >>>>> among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls >>>>> properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can >>>>> only >>>>> use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump >>>>> from >>>>> the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious >>>>> issue. >>>>> Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here >>>>> duplicate >>>>> it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover >>>>> doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first >>>>> one, >>>>> you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's >>>>> something >>>>> on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got >>>>> another issue. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >>>>> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that >>>>> cannot >>>>> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible >>>>> to >>>>> get at or repair. >>>>> --Douglas Adams >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > > > > > >> > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
You do provie a way out of bug status here: > True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least > reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE > no harm done. On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hmm, I've read what's below and can't see anywhere that I say it's not a bug. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks it is, so perhaps we got our wires crossed. On 3/12/09, David Poehlman wrote: > > no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with below. > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least > reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE > no harm done. > Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic access, > but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency that's > regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, but > at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do nobody > any harm. Or did I miss something? > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman > wrote: >> >> Scott, >> It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other >> areas. >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >> >> How not out of interest? >> Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that >> this could be by design and be useful to anyone. >> >> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >> wrote: >>> >>> bug well, maybe not. >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>> >>> True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, >>> but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth >>> reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's >>> always >>> more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually >>> needs to work. >>> >>> While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if >>> that affects anything? >>> >>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do >>>> your >>>> work. >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but >>>> what >>>> about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a >>>> movie, i can't see the progress? >>>> >>>> On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> HI David. >>>>> >>>>> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view >>>>> text >>>>> view >>>>> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab >>>>> past the >>>>> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this >>>>> the new >>>>> iTunes is fine. >>>>> >>>>> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >>>>> knows how it >>>>> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off >>>>> cursor >>>>> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "David Poehlman" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, >>>>>> sources >>>>>> and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser >>>>>> on, >>>>>> setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can >>>>>> lick >>>>>> this. what source is selected when you see this issue? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>> I w
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
yes, we are but they are important hairs. There is a fine but neverthe less distinction between what is and what is not a bug and how each should be treated. In order to determine if something is a bug, it must be first determined whether it hinders the application its self or is something that does not work. I could go into depth on this but don't think the list is here for that. I would encourage folk to provide feedback, but as to whether something is a bug, we need to understand clearly whether it is or not. In this case, we are not dealing with a bug. a bug can also be an unattended consequence. I'm also not saying that does not provide a disadvantage at least initially but that all of the functionality of ITunes that is available is available and even more than before in 8.1. On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: lol, come on man, we're splitting hairs somewhat here aren't we. All I was actually meaning to say with that sentence was that perhaps you've got a point in saying it might be that Apple already realises that this is how iTunes and VO interact for now, I can't know for sure either way until they actually respond to one of us and neither can you. In any case it's been sent in to Apple now, so let's see what they make of it. On 3/12/09, David Poehlman wrote: > > You do provie a way out of bug status here: >> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE >> no harm done. > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > Hmm, I've read what's below and can't see anywhere that I say it's not > a bug. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks it is, so perhaps we > got our wires crossed. > > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman > wrote: >> >> no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with >> below. >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >> >> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE >> no harm done. >> Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic >> access, >> but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency that's >> regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, but >> at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do nobody >> any harm. Or did I miss something? >> >> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >> wrote: >>> >>> Scott, >>> It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other >>> areas. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>> >>> How not out of interest? >>> Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that >>> this could be by design and be useful to anyone. >>> >>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> bug well, maybe not. >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is >>>> fixed, >>>> but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still >>>> worth >>>> reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's >>>> always >>>> more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that >>>> eventually >>>> needs to work. >>>> >>>> While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if >>>> that affects anything? >>>> >>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do >>>>> your >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but >>>>> what >>>>> about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a >>>>> movie, i can't see the progress? >>>>> >>>>> On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HI David. >>>>>> >>>>>> OK basically i've tried with dif
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
this is a bug that's been with us for a while. On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:53 AM, william lomas wrote: how can i check the download window of itues then? On 12 Mar 2009, at 15:41, David Poehlman wrote: > > You do provie a way out of bug status here: >> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE >> no harm done. > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > Hmm, I've read what's below and can't see anywhere that I say it's not > a bug. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks it is, so perhaps we > got our wires crossed. > > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman > wrote: >> >> no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with >> below. >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >> >> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE >> no harm done. >> Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic >> access, >> but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency that's >> regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, but >> at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do nobody >> any harm. Or did I miss something? >> >> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >> wrote: >>> >>> Scott, >>> It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other >>> areas. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>> >>> How not out of interest? >>> Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that >>> this could be by design and be useful to anyone. >>> >>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> bug well, maybe not. >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is >>>> fixed, >>>> but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still >>>> worth >>>> reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's >>>> always >>>> more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that >>>> eventually >>>> needs to work. >>>> >>>> While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if >>>> that affects anything? >>>> >>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do >>>>> your >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but >>>>> what >>>>> about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a >>>>> movie, i can't see the progress? >>>>> >>>>> On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HI David. >>>>>> >>>>>> OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view >>>>>> text >>>>>> view >>>>>> being focused on different parts of the source list and when i >>>>>> tab >>>>>> past the >>>>>> search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this >>>>>> the new >>>>>> iTunes is fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone >>>>>> knows how it >>>>>> works or can shed some light on it let us all know. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off >>>>>> cursor >>>>>> tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "David Poehlman" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: The new iTu
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
we can now track the elappsed and remaining time in an item currently playing, we have some more descriptions on some of the buttons, I don't remember the other little goodies at the moment. On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:09 PM, william lomas wrote: what is new in 8.1 in terms of access? an thanks will On 12 Mar 2009, at 15:54, David Poehlman wrote: > > yes, we are but they are important hairs. There is a fine but > neverthe less distinction between what is and what is not a bug and > how each should be treated. In order to determine if something is a > bug, it must be first determined whether it hinders the application > its self or is something that does not work. I could go into depth on > this but don't think the list is here for that. I would encourage > folk to provide feedback, but as to whether something is a bug, we > need to understand clearly whether it is or not. In this case, we are > not dealing with a bug. a bug can also be an unattended consequence. > I'm also not saying that does not provide a disadvantage at least > initially but that all of the functionality of ITunes that is > available is available and even more than before in 8.1. > > On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: > > > lol, come on man, we're splitting hairs somewhat here aren't we. All > I was actually meaning to say with that sentence was that perhaps > you've got a point in saying it might be that Apple already realises > that this is how iTunes and VO interact for now, I can't know for sure > either way until they actually respond to one of us and neither can > you. In any case it's been sent in to Apple now, so let's see what > they make of it. > > On 3/12/09, David Poehlman > wrote: >> >> You do provie a way out of bug status here: >>> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >>> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, >>> IE >>> no harm done. >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >> >> >> Hmm, I've read what's below and can't see anywhere that I say it's >> not >> a bug. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks it is, so perhaps we >> got our wires crossed. >> >> >> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >> wrote: >>> >>> no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with >>> below. >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>> >>> >>> True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least >>> reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, >>> IE >>> no harm done. >>> Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic >>> access, >>> but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency that's >>> regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, >>> but >>> at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do >>> nobody >>> any harm. Or did I miss something? >>> >>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Scott, >>>> It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other >>>> areas. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> How not out of interest? >>>> Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that >>>> this could be by design and be useful to anyone. >>>> >>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> bug well, maybe not. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is >>>>> fixed, >>>>> but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still >>>>> worth >>>>> reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's >>>>> always >>>>> more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that >>>>> eventually >>>>> needs to work. >>>>> >>>>> While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if >>>>> that affects anything? >>>>> >>>>> On 3/12/09, David Poehlman >>>>> >>>>> wrote:
Re: new shuffle
apple says yes. On Mar 12, 2009, at 2:13 PM, louie wrote: Hi all, Do you think that there will be a adaptor for those of us who can't stand earbuds? louie louiem...@wavecable.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: opens in a new window?
because there is information in the title of the link that voiceover is reporting. safari 4 is exposing this title rather than the link text. On Mar 12, 2009, at 2:32 PM, william lomas wrote: hi when in safari four sometimes i hear link opens in new window? why isn't voice over telling me these links? will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
well, you could read the info on the site and it would tell you the same thing. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: You guys were wonderring what ITunes DJ was? I just called Apple and asked. Basically, if you have an IPhone with the remote client access software installed, you can actually connect back home to your computer using your cell provider's data plan, and browse your library at home, and escentially stream to your phone any of your music. I thought that was ungodly cool! Corse doesn't do us? much good, being IPhones aren't accessible from what I hear. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Scott Rutkowski" To: Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:16 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? > > I wrote to the accessibility address and they thanked me for the > report > and > were going to pass the info on to the engineers. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Jacob Schmude" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:18 PM > Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? > > >> >> Hi >> Well I'm going to write to Apple about it as it seems I'm not the >> only >> one having the problem, although it seems its most severe on my >> system >> so far. For me the only control announced properly when I tab is the >> search field, nothing else. It doesn't matter what source, or view, >> or >> whether the browser is shown or not. Resetting VO works, but I don't >> particularly feel like doing that every five seconds. >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 06:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> >>> Confirmed. When i tab through controls, the only control that is not >>> announced is the one after the search field. All other controls are >>> announced even if the browser sometimes is announced a bit oddly. >>> Thanks. >>> /Krister >>> >>> 12 mar 2009 kl. 05.17 skrev Fonzie: >>> Hey there Jacob, I hope all is going well. I am looking at the issue you were mentioning, and here is what I get while tabbing. I assume, by controls, you mean the search edit box, the source table, the song table, and the minor things you can tab through, should you have them appearing on iTunes. Upon pressing tab, I only get it silent after I hit tab once VO announces the search field. So, once you hit tab after it says search, which is the edit box, VO becomes silent. Now, if you tab one more time, VO will come back, announcing the next area. Upon tabbing once more, and continuously onward, VO has no problems. Let me know if this is what you were looking for. If not, feel free to e-mail me off list, and I can help out with what I am able. Take care. Fonzie On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > > Hi Everyone > I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's > something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility > improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. > Chief > among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls > properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can > only > use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump > from > the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious > issue. > Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here > duplicate > it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover > doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first > one, > you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's > something > on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got > another issue. > > Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. > > > > The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a > thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that > cannot > possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible > to > get at or repair. > --Douglas Adams > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot >> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to >> get at or repair. >> --Douglas Adams >> >> >>> > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
safari 4 beta removal has no effect on itunes 8.1:
all - incase you were wondering and as the question was raised, I uninstalled safari 4 beta and ITunes 8.1 is still behaving the same way. this is not a biggy for me but I thought I'd post my findings to save others the bother. I'm gonna put safari 4 beta back now. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: details on Voiceover for iPod Shuffle?
it is generated by ITunes. it is on the shuffle page. On Mar 13, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Has anyone found information about exactly how Voiceover on the iPod Shuffle works? Does iTunes still generate the speech, or is the capability built in to the shuffle itself? The sample voices remind me of Babel Technologies diphone voices (the HD voices in Infovox iVox for those who have that) though not exactly the same. If the accessibility is actually built into the Shuffle itself rather than generated by iTunes it would be a nice advancement. But if not, where does iTunes get these voices? Are they generated server-side, downloaded locally, something else? The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: visio voice
Will, check the file menu. On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:33 AM, william lomas wrote: hi all can I get visio voice to export a track direc to mp3? Or do I have to use ITunes to do that? I want to put a textbook into mp3 or OGG for my VR stream player will --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: visio voice
yes, but I believe you can also set it go directly to mp3. On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:40 AM, william lomas wrote: i think if I set it david and all, in ITunes to do to mp3, i think after the AIFF file it will convert On 13 Mar 2009, at 14:36, David Poehlman wrote: > > Will, check the file menu. > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:33 AM, william lomas wrote: > > > hi all can I get visio voice to export a track direc to mp3? > Or do I have to use ITunes to do that? > I want to put a textbook into mp3 or OGG for my VR stream player > will > > > > > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: visio voice
I was rong, it will go to .aiff so you will have to convert to mp3 if you want that. On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:47 AM, David Poehlman wrote: yes, but I believe you can also set it go directly to mp3. On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:40 AM, william lomas wrote: i think if I set it david and all, in ITunes to do to mp3, i think after the AIFF file it will convert On 13 Mar 2009, at 14:36, David Poehlman wrote: > > Will, check the file menu. > > On Mar 13, 2009, at 10:33 AM, william lomas wrote: > > > hi all can I get visio voice to export a track direc to mp3? > Or do I have to use ITunes to do that? > I want to put a textbook into mp3 or OGG for my VR stream player > will > > > > > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: details on Voiceover for iPod Shuffle?
check this: http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/voiceover.html On Mar 13, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: But that's just it, perhaps it does for your default voice. But from where are these other languages generated? I don't seem to have those as Voiceover voices, and yet the iPod shuffle apparently will be able to render the titles of my German songs correctly. So it has to be getting these from somewhere other than your system voices. On Mar 13, 2009, at 13:18, Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire wrote: > I believe it uses the voice you use on your computer; that is, if > the voice is one of the VoiceOver voices > > JG. > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Schmude > wrote: > > Hi > I suspected this, but the Shuffle page wasn't definite. Question then > is, where is it getting these voices to generate the spoken menus? > > > The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: details on Voiceover for iPod Shuffle?
it is available now and it is us $79.xx and it is 4 gb if I understand correctly. On Mar 13, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire wrote: That's good to know! Can hardly wait to get the new iPod Shuffle with 1 gigabyte hard drive, with VoiceOver capability and the new earbuds which have the control buttons —3 of them—on the right cable itself, top and bottom for volume control and the middle to choose playlist [yay! It is playlist capable] which I want to hear! Anyone know whether it is available now and how much in U.S. dollars it costs? JG On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: On Mar 13, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire wrote: > I believe it uses the voice you use on your computer; A.R. No. The voices are different, so I presume they come with the latest update to iTunes. Cheers, Anne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
this does not work for me. when I press command-t, I get a ding and a blank window. when I press it again, things are back to getting only the search field. On Mar 14, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, I found the answer. Press "CMD" + "T" to hide the visualizer. Thanks, Alex, On 12-Mar-09, at 4:43 AM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > > I'm having this issue as well, when I tab, I'm getting the search > field, and nothing else. I've tried selecting different sources, and > other things such as having the browser on as well, and if I hit tab > multiple times, I still remain in the search field. > On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > >> >> Hi >> Well I'm going to write to Apple about it as it seems I'm not the >> only >> one having the problem, although it seems its most severe on my >> system >> so far. For me the only control announced properly when I tab is the >> search field, nothing else. It doesn't matter what source, or view, >> or >> whether the browser is shown or not. Resetting VO works, but I don't >> particularly feel like doing that every five seconds. >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2009, at 06:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> >>> Confirmed. When i tab through controls, the only control that is not >>> announced is the one after the search field. All other controls are >>> announced even if the browser sometimes is announced a bit oddly. >>> Thanks. >>> /Krister >>> >>> 12 mar 2009 kl. 05.17 skrev Fonzie: >>> Hey there Jacob, I hope all is going well. I am looking at the issue you were mentioning, and here is what I get while tabbing. I assume, by controls, you mean the search edit box, the source table, the song table, and the minor things you can tab through, should you have them appearing on iTunes. Upon pressing tab, I only get it silent after I hit tab once VO announces the search field. So, once you hit tab after it says search, which is the edit box, VO becomes silent. Now, if you tab one more time, VO will come back, announcing the next area. Upon tabbing once more, and continuously onward, VO has no problems. Let me know if this is what you were looking for. If not, feel free to e-mail me off list, and I can help out with what I am able. Take care. Fonzie On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: > > Hi Everyone > I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's > something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility > improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. > Chief > among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls > properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can > only > use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump > from > the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious > issue. > Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here > duplicate > it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover > doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first > one, > you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's > something > on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got > another issue. > > Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. > > > > The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a > thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that > cannot > possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible > to > get at or repair. > --Douglas Adams > > >> > >>> >>> >> >> The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a >> thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot >> possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to >> get at or repair. >> --Douglas Adams >> >> >>> > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New spanish voices for snow leopard
and in english? On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:54 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote: Hello to everybody Here is good news for spanish users. Snow leopard, the next version of macOS X, will have spanish free voices for voiceOver. You can read all the notice in my blog (in spanish) http://programaraciegas.weblog.discapnet.es/articulo.aspx?idA=970 I hope we can have the new version soon Regards Jonathan Chacón --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: New spanish voices for snow leopard
no, you said the blog was in spannish. On Mar 14, 2009, at 8:13 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote: -Mensaje original- De: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com ] En nombre de David Poehlman Enviado el: sábado, 14 de marzo de 2009 12:50 Para: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Asunto: Re: New spanish voices for snow leopard > and in english? What? There will be english voices in snow leopard too, of course Regards Jonathan Chacón --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes new version
Jacob, Thanks for the 8.0.2 link. I don't plan to get a shuffle anytime soon and am sad for those who do for if they don't fix the mess they have made of 8.1, there are going to be a lot more unhappy campers than there now are including me since I found out that I cannot play music for any extended period of time before ITunes becomes unstable. On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:12 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Justin You can get 8.0.2 by going to this Apple support page: iTunes 8.0.2 for Mac and click the download link. Note that downgrading is a bit of a pain, not only do you need to remove 8.1 manually but you'll also have to rebuild your library, as 8.1 changed its format, probably to handle the language tags for the new Shuffle. At any rate, it renders the library incompatible with 8.0.2. I'm in the process of doing this now, as I found another bug in 8.1, completely unrelated to accessibility but it was the final straw for me. I hope 8.1.1 or however it will be numbered will get a lot more QA that 8.1 obviously didn't get. For those curious, the bug in question prevents me from changing audio tracks in Movies if you have more than one track, as I do with my custom rips and some iTunes Store purchases, so if I get stuck on the surround track for example I cannot change to the stereo, or I can't access the director's comments, etc. Very annoying on top of all the accessibility problems this version has given me, and I've basically exhausted my patience with 8.1 On Mar 15, 2009, at 15:03, Justin Harford wrote: > > Hi all > > Since downloading the new version of iTunes I have immediately found > that bug that was mentioned where simply tabbing around a bunch causes > voiceover to go silent. I wonder if someone around here wouldn't > happen to have an older version of iTunes on hand? > > Regards > Justin Harford > > "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already > tomorrow in Australia." Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic > strip. > > > > The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: You can track the downloads in iTunes 8.1
scott, found this a couple of vs back but the problem was that we could see what was being downloaded but not how much of what was being downloaded had been downloaded. the other problem is that often, by the time I nav over there and interact, it is over. On Mar 16, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Folks, I found the place to track downloads in iTunes 8.1. As you navigate across the screen, just to the right of the vertical splitter, there is a donloads scroll area, and if you interact with this area, you will find some settings and a table. This table contains the progress of each download. Now remember this scroll area is located to the righ tof the vertical splitter, which is to the right of the sources table. To be sure you find this, you will need to navigate to the downloads source in the sources table first. If you all knew this, great, but I did not realize that the download table would show me the progress and maybe I forgot. :) I don't recall this being the case in the previous version of iTunes, but then I could be wrong and feel free to correct me. :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: You can track the downloads in iTunes 8.1
That's good, we wer not able to do that before. On Mar 16, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Hmmm, well I can tell how much has een downloaded. It says 2.1Mb of 4.6Mb. I don't know if this is what you are referring to, but well yes, if it is not a large file, it is liable to be completed before you get there. I am sure there is a way to capture this in some fashion, but perhaps not quite yet. On Mar 16, 2009, at 8:42 AM, David Poehlman wrote: > > scott, > > found this a couple of vs back but the problem was that we could > see what was being downloaded but not how much of what was being > downloaded had been downloaded. the other problem is that often, by > the time I nav over there and interact, it is over. > > On Mar 16, 2009, at 7:37 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > > Folks, I found the place to track downloads in iTunes 8.1. As you > navigate across the screen, just to the right of the vertical > splitter, there is a donloads scroll area, and if you interact with > this area, you will find some settings and a table. This table > contains the progress of each download. Now remember this scroll area > is located to the righ tof the vertical splitter, which is to the > right of the sources table. To be sure you find this, you will need to > navigate to the downloads source in the sources table first. If you > all knew this, great, but I did not realize that the download table > would show me the progress and maybe I forgot. :) I don't recall this > being the case in the previous version of iTunes, but then I could be > wrong and feel free to correct me. :) > > > > > >> --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
more on my ITunes 8.1 experienced lockups:
Hello all, I had reported I'd be downgrading my ITunes but decided to do one more thing before downloading. My reason for downgrading was because ITunes freezing after a period of playing. This happned on an early IMac both on the mac and windows sides. I've been playing music on my early macbook now for several hours with no freezing issues. The difference is that the library on my macbook is the smallest of the three but I am going to fire up the windows side of the Macbook and import the library from the windows side of the IMac and try that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes/iPod Shuffle Problem
yes if youare running windows. On Mar 17, 2009, at 1:35 PM, linzy buhr wrote: does anyone know if zoom text works with mac's On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jane Jordan (GMail) wrote: We upgraded iTunes on the iMac. Now I am unable to move songs or even copy them to my iPod shuffle. It shows up as a device in iTunes, but not as a play list. Is there any way to get around this, or am I now forced to upgrade to a more up-to-date iPod? If it is possible still to get music to and from the Shuffle, can you send me instructions? Jane -- sweet heart linzy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Poll Results
another list/s/. On Mar 18, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Joan Alice Maria Gibson, Esquire wrote: Heya, Cara! 'Hopefully it will be fairly transparent to you all and I'll leave it up to you how you'd like me to add you all to the respective lists. I.e. should I simply copy all of our current members over to the new list and simply have people unsub who would rather not be there, or shall I simply create the new group and have people voluntarily join?… Obviously this last option seems best to me, but it's your call…' I would rather voluntarily join the new group than to have to opt out. Thanks for asking! Have an awesome week and weekend! JG On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hey All; Thanks to all of you who voted!… YOU ROCK!!! :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: more on my ITunes 8.1 experienced lockups:
The veil has now been lifted on my ITunes lockup issue. This was not an ITunes issue at all and has been solved. Thanks! On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:54 PM, David Poehlman wrote: Hello all, I had reported I'd be downgrading my ITunes but decided to do one more thing before downloading. My reason for downgrading was because ITunes freezing after a period of playing. This happned on an early IMac both on the mac and windows sides. I've been playing music on my early macbook now for several hours with no freezing issues. The difference is that the library on my macbook is the smallest of the three but I am going to fire up the windows side of the Macbook and import the library from the windows side of the IMac and try that. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
