Re: VMWare Fusion questions
Hello. After telling vmware fusion where windows 8 was, did you have to type a key? Then, how did you get narator to talk? On Monday, June 4, 2012 9:01:14 AM UTC-5, Chris Meredith wrote: > > Hi Maria, > > I'm actually running Windows 8 on a MacBook Pro with 8 GB of RAM, which I > deliberately got kitted out so that I could run multiple virtual machines > without having to buy multiple computers. I can't remember what the CPU is > on the Mini, but you should certainly have enough memory. > For those of you that have gone the Bootcamp route, have any of you also > used the Windows Automated Installation Kit to create an unattended > installation file? As someone that has reliable sighted help available > approximately as frequently as they have a six digit bank balance, I'm > always on the lookout for workarounds. > On Jun 3, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Maria Chapman wrote: > > Hi. > > I am also thinking about setting up a virtual machine. Is there a > recommended amount of resources the virtual machine needs to run properly > but leaving enough for the mac? Will a virtual machine run ok on a mac mini > with 8 gigs of ram? And, how do I run a screen reader with an apple > bluetooth keyboard? Is there a way to make this work? Or would i be better > plugging in a standard usb keyboard? > > Is there anywhere i can go to read a tutorial or guide about setting up a > virtual machine to run windows? > > thanks > > God Bless! Maria from australia > Newbie mac user. > bubbygirl1...@gmail.com > will get you fb as well as email & iMessage. > skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl > > > > > > > > > > On 04/06/2012, at 12:46 PM, Brent Harding wrote: > > Oh, cool! I have my mac already set up with boot camp. Would I likely have > activation issues with JFW going back and forth between these 2 methods? > Would I have to take up 2 keys, or is Fusion smart enough to deal with it? > > - Original Message - From: "Matthew Campbell" < > wrestling.ch...@gmail.com> > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion questions > > > Hi. > A couple of things to keep in mind. > 1. If you do go the boot cam route, you will need sighted assistance to > get windows installed. Also, you'll be able to have Fusion treat the > bootcamp partition as a virtual machine. This has some advantages such as > being able to utilized all of the Mac's resources when you need to do > something that needs a lot of them but still able to boot in to windows > quickly through fusion when you don't need to do something system intensive. > 2. The quick install option in fusion will have fusion install windows > without sighted assistance. The only thing you need do after installation > is install you're screen reader of choice. > HTH, > > On 2012-06-03, at 5:26 PM, Allison Mervis wrote: > > Thanks Matt. Right now I'm still unsure as to whether or not I'll set up a > virtual machine or do a bootcamp install, but this info was very helpful. > > Allison > > > -- > > From: "Matthew Campbell" > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 1:11 PM > > To: > > Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion questions > > > Hi. > > Once you shut down the VM, you're Mac will indeed have all of it's > resources once again. > > HTH, > > > On 2012-06-03, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote: > > > Hi everyone. > > I have a copy of Windows 7 floating around here, and I was thinking about > playing with VMWare fusion. I have a few questions before I get started > though. I understand that when you're setting up the virtual machine, you > allocate a certain portion of your system resources in order to run it. > Let's say, for example that I allocate four of my eight gigs of ram and 250 > of my 750 gigs of hard drive space for the virtual machine. When I shut > down the virtual machine, will those resources be returned to my mac? That > is to say, will I once again have all 8 gigs of ram and 750 gigs of hard > drive space available for use on my mac? I apologize if this sounds basic. > Thanks. > > Allison > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" grou
coupon codeAbbyy fine reader express
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Re: coupon codeAbbyy fine reader express
Just want to let everyone know that the coupon code worked after all. I logged in with my win machine this time. On Jan 4, 10:41 pm, Dannyboy wrote: > Abbyy Fine Reader express sells for about $99.00 onwww.abbyy.com > and I want to know if anyone knows of a discount available. > There was one last summer. It is expired. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Using the CapsLock Key with Jaws under Fusion Clarification Request
There should be an incert key, even on keyboards wwithout number pads. Using v o and k will put you in to practice mode. Then, you can find your incert key. On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:55 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Fellow Windows Mac Tightrope Walkers, > > Your reply is excellent, Esther. > > However, I am a little bit confused on step 5. > > I understand about going to the Jaws keyboard settings in Windows > under > Fusion with a standard keyboard attached to the MacBook. > > Step 5 reads: > > 5. > Select Insert for the key that JAWS uses as the JAWS key. > > I don't understand about selecting Insert for the Jaws key as once I > remove > the standard keyboard, I will not have an insert key. > > Please advise. > > Thank you all in advance. > > Mark > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:24 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Another Questin regarding Mac and Jaws > > > Hi Mark, > > M. Taylor wrote: > >> I have not installed Jaws 10.x but with Jaws 11.x beta, the CapsLock >> key >> does not appear to engage or function as the Jaws key. That is to >> say, when >> I press it, nothing really happens. If I tap it twice, it will >> toggle the >> Capslock just as it should but only tapping it once doesn't do >> anything. >> >> So, does anyone have any suggestions? Also, there does not seem to >> be an >> Insert key on my MacBook Pro keyboard. Is this correct or must I >> use some >> fancy key combination to simulate the Insert key. > > > The problem with the CapsLock key is associated with the current Mac > laptop keyboards and does not depend (I think) on the version of > JAWS. The standard solution is to configure JAWS to use the insert > key in the Configuration manager, and then remap the insert key to > another key on your keyboard (like Right-Shift, Right-Option, Right- > Command, or one of the F keys that you disabled for Exposé use). > > There are two ways to remap keys in Fusion. One is to get SharpKeys > from: > > http://www.randyrants.com/sharpkeys/ > > You select the key you want to remap and the new target keys from two > listviews under Windows, then save the changes to your Windows > registry file. The other way is to use your keyboard preferences > settings under Fusion and requires a one-time setup connection to a > Windows USB keyboard, since you have to press a key instead instead of > choosing from a listview to re-assign the functions. Fusion then > stores the remapped information under its preferences. (This last > method works for remapping keys under Fusion works for any virtual > machine -- you could use it for a linux setup under Fusion, for > example.) > > I don't run Fusion on my MacBook, so I'm going to paste in an excerpt > from a post by Everett (E.J. Zufelt): > > > I solved the JAWS caps lock key problem. > > 1. Make sure that you have access to an insert key (I remapped right > shift to insert using SharpKeys). > 2. Make sure that JAWS is using Laptop layout. > 3. Open the Configuration manager for the default configuration. > 4. Goto Set Options > Keyboard > 5. Select Insert for the key that JAWS uses as the JAWS key. > > > Maybe Søren or other Fusion users can comment with more helpful tips. > Incidentally, since the problem emerged with the disappearance of the > embedded numeric keypad in newer laptop keyboards it would be really > interesting to learn if there is a better way to handle this under > Snow Leopard. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to empty trash folder
To empty trash, just find that option under finder's menu. There is empty trash, and also secure empty trash. On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:48 AM, anouk radix wrote: > > yes but it is context sensitive, in mail it removes your deleted > messages but if i try it anywhere else it wants to do secure delete > trash which takes ages and for some reason does not work here, i > always get an error message when rying it and it takes hours. > Greetings, Anouk > On Sep 4, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, >> Cool. Didn't know it works anywhere you are on the Mac. >> Thanks for that. >> Jeffrey >> - Original Message - >> From: "Scott Chesworth" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:53 AM >> Subject: Re: how to empty trash folder >> >> >>> >>> Hey Anouk, >>> >>> The keyboard shortcut to empty the trash is command-shift-delete. >>> Works from anywhere you happen to be in the OS as far as I can tell. >>> >>> hth >>> Scott >>> >>> On 9/4/09, anouk radix wrote: Hello, i know i can put stuff in trash with cmd-del but if i am in the thrash and i press that it returns it to its prev location. So How can I actually empty the trash? Greetings, Anouk > >>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Macintosh Word Processor Software by Mariner Software
Hello. Here is a link to another word processing software. I have not used this yet. But just wanted to spread the word on one more choice. http://www.marinersoftware.com/sitepage.php?page=12 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly
If you plug an adaptor to your machine, that may be all you need. My moniter's adaptor is plugged in, but the monitor is not plugged in to the wall. On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > > Are you saying I have to purchase a monitor which I can't see in > order to > use this machine successfully? > That's not what I would consider an accessible function. > - Original Message - > From: "Mac Cougar" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: Web Pages Loading Slowly > > > > make sure you have a monitor connected or it will say busy all the > time or most of it anyways. > > Steve > On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:31 AM, Michael D. Barber wrote: > >> >> I thought I submitted this last night, but perhaps it didn't make it >> to the >> list. I am having difficulty on my Mac Mini with web pages loading >> quite >> slowly. Is anyone else experiencing this problem and do you have a >> solution? Are there any settings which need changing? >> Thanks. >> >> Cordially, >> Michael Barber >> >> >>> > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
airport i d
Hello. Is the airport i d the same as the mac address for the airport card? Whenever I try reading it with v o, before I can read all the characters, the v o jumps to the help button. I am using Leopard. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a good job
You may only need the adaptor that came with your mac mini, and not a monitor itself. On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > > I happen to be a member of the NFB. However, when I read that > horrible > article that was one of several factors that made me decide to get a > Mac and > attempt to learn it. I knew the article was incredibly flawed, and > I wanted > to experience the Mac since so many people whose opinions I respect > have > said it is a great platform. However, with my inability to send and > receive > email, the glacial performance I experience on the web, I am thus > far not > overjoyed with this machine at all. If I had known, for example, > that I > would have to spend several hundred dollars more for a monitor to go > with my > Mac Mini, I would have bought the less expensive Mac Book. One of the > reasons I really like the design of the Mac Mini is its tiny > footprint. But > if I need a monitor well that kind of changes everything. > I don't have a clue as to how to solve my Gmail problem, and > therefore I > will just stick to Windows for mail right now. > - Original Message - > From: "Justin Harford" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: Letting Apple Accessibility know when they've done a > good job > > > > Howdy > El Sep 4, 2009, a las 1:10 AM, James & Nash escribió: > >> Also, Lets be grateful that >> NFB et al havne't written a review yet of SL. > > Oh heavens no, we wouldn't want them to discover these bugs! > > Justin > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Blind Cool Tech Podcast
You are getting everything? That is good. How did you subscribe? I had to unsubscribe, and subscribe again. When I did, I got only the forty most recent programs. I did this through itunes. Is there another way? On Sep 5, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > That's very odd! I'm getting everything as its updated here. > > > On 06/09/2009, at 8:40 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> >> Folks, if any of you subscribe to the BLind Cool Tech podcast via >> iTunes, I have a question. It seems that iTunes has no longer any >> interest in BCT and has decided to stop all podcast beyond 2005. >> I've >> tried unsubscribing at one point, resubscribing, and even use the >> context menu and update to try and refresh the list. So far none of >> these steps has resolved the issue and obviously I'm missing out on >> some of the podcasts. >> Has anyone any thoughts? >> Oh, this has been going on a while and yes before Snow Leopard. I've >> just run out of ideas so thought to pick some fresh brains out >> there. :) >> >> tnx, >> >> >> >> > > > > > ** > > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net > Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane > blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com > Phone United Kingdom > 02032874641 > Phone Australia > 0390058589 > Phone United States > 8159261869 > Fax: > +61 3 9743 7954x > MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net > skype:grtdane12 > > ** > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List of Snow Leopard keyboard shortcuts.
Hello Igor. It is always good to say hello to a new person here. May you enjoy your working with the Macintosh computer. Thank you for the list of shortcuts. On Sep 6, 2009, at 12:25 AM, Igor Kaplan wrote: > Hi all listers! > Well, since it is my first post to this list, let me introduce > myself. > My name is Igor. I am long-time developer for windows pcs and user > of windows-based screen readers. I was thinking about trying the Mac > computers for some while and lately I decided to give it a try after > reading many people opinions and after listening for excellent > podcasts made by some members of blind Mac community. Special thanks > to Mike Arrigo, actually his podcasts helped me to finalize the > decision to try the Macintosh. > I still have not received my Mac, it is still on it’s way, however > I am such kind of person, I start to do the very detail research > much before I start to use something. > While looking on the web for Snow Leopard related information and > all kind of tips I found an interesting page, which lists all > Leopard keyboard shortcuts. I would like to share it, hope, it could > be useful for someone. The URL is: > http://www.danrodney.com/mac/ > > It is possible, old-time Mac users already know all those > shortcuts, well, still might be beneficial to some new Mac users > like myself. > Have a wonderful day! > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
r s s with safari
Hello. Not sure how to use r s s. I clicked on a subscribe link for a page with an r s s feed. Then I went in to my bookmarks. After going to rss in one table, I looked in the other table. There was nothing there. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Info for a Newby
For me, the Apple web site has good material for beginners. There are many tutorials, video and text files. Granted, they are for sighted users, but if one remembers the voice over way to click a mouse, or to do the different things, they are helpful. That is why I am glad voice over was written to allow us to work the computer in the same way as would a sighted user. On Sep 7, 2009, at 3:39 AM, Justin Kauflin wrote: > > Hey everyone, First, I'd like to thank folks for being so helpful with > my posts. Its nice to post a question, and receive a response! I was > just wondering if there was a good resource for finding out general > information on the different applications that come with the Mac. I'm > just realizing how little I understand about a lot of the programs on > the Mac. I'm also wondering if there's a good resource for finding > out Voice Over commands. I just read about the keyboard command for > going to the end of the e-mail list, and wouldn't have found that if I > didn't read that particular post. I'm just wondering if there's a > place I can go to get a list of VO commands like that. I guess I'm > just on a search for as much information as I can get from one > location! Thanks for any points in the right direction! > Justin > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Webkit
What exactly is web kit? Is it a replacement for Safari? On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I'm still using this application under Leopard, has anyone tried it > with Snow leopard, what do you think? > > > > ** > > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > mailto:"grtd...@internode.on.net > Twitter: http://twitter.com/grtdane > blog: http://www.grtdane.wordpress.com > Phone United Kingdom > 02032874641 > Phone Australia > 0390058589 > Phone United States > 8159261869 > Fax: > +61 3 9743 7954x > MSN grtd...@dane-trethowan.net > skype:grtdane12 > > ** > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of scripts to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com and share our thoughts on this. On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: > > Hi all. > > I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. > Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application with > a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing > how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening > up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned > that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we > don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for Macintosh. > I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that > should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use of > apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application > developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. > On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you just > download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer > and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? > It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this > scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that it > gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it > appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does > this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it be. > If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, > they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the > scripts for my application and you will have access." > Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your > arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so > that I can have a new perspective. > > Jes > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
I did not think of the scripting in Orca. On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:32 PM, James & Nash wrote: > > Absolutely, I think the thing to remember, is that the scripts are > an option > and only an option. Developers are still going to have to make their > apps > accessible, especially now that most if not all of the operating > system is > now Coaco. I quite like the idea of these scripts. Perhaps we can > add our > own features to VO just a they do for Orca which is also an extensible > scriptable Screen Reader. > > Perhaps others who are more informed on these subjects could add to or > corect me if I'm wrong. > > Take care > > James > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ryan Mann" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest > > >> >> >> I think that if you don't like using scripts with screen readers, >> then >> don't use them. It's silly to ask Apple to take out a feature of >> VoiceOver that some people might want. If the mac gets more popular, >> some blind people might have to use an application for a job. If >> that >> application doesn't work out of the box, custome scripts should be an >> option. >> n Sep 7, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> That sounds like a good idea. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>>> scripts >>>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to >>>> accessibil...@apple.com >>>> and share our thoughts on this. >>>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> >>>>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>>>> scripting. >>>>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>>>> with >>>>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>>>> seeing >>>>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about >>>>> opening >>>>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>>>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>>>> we >>>>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>>>> Macintosh. >>>>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>>>> that >>>>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the >>>>> use >>>>> of >>>>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>>>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the >>>>> box. >>>>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>>>> just >>>>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's >>>>> computer >>>>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>>>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>>>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is >>>>> that >>>>> it >>>>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>>>> it >>>>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader >>>>> does >>>>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>>>> be. >>>>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple >>>>> developer, >>>>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>>>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>>>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>>>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>>>> that I can have a new perspective. >>>>> >>>>> Jes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Maybe it is good I have not yet written apple. On Sep 7, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > > I think it sounds like a bad idea. > > I don't think that this something to bother Apple accessibility over. > I think it's worth pointing out that many apps on the Mac are > scriptable and I think it is a mistake to read to much into why it was > added to vo. This only adds to the power of Voiceover. All of this > talk on what Apple's philosophy for putting this feature in to vo is > pure speculation. > > Let's just use the scripting facilities they have given us and see > where it takes us. That's not to say that there haven't been some > valid concerns raised on this topic, it's just that at this time there > isn't really any evidence to support them. It's way too early to say > where the ability to script vo is going to take it. > > On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> That sounds like a good idea. >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:58 PM, dannyboy wrote: >> >>> >>> I am in full agreement that voice over needs not to be full of >>> scripts >>> to do everything for us. Maybe we could write to accessibil...@apple.com >>> and share our thoughts on this. >>> On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for >>>> scripting. >>>> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >>>> with >>>> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or >>>> seeing >>>> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about >>>> opening >>>> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >>>> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if >>>> we >>>> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >>>> Macintosh. >>>> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something >>>> that >>>> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >>>> of >>>> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >>>> developer to make their application accessible right out of the >>>> box. >>>> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >>>> just >>>> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's >>>> computer >>>> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >>>> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >>>> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >>>> it >>>> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as >>>> it >>>> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader >>>> does >>>> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >>>> be. >>>> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple >>>> developer, >>>> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >>>> scripts for my application and you will have access." >>>> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >>>> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >>>> that I can have a new perspective. >>>> >>>> Jes >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over with Apple Scripts, must get this off my chest
Hello. Thank you for the explanation about apple script. On Sep 7, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: > > Well built Macintosh applications should support scripting. > AppleScript is a core service of the OS and I and other VoiceOVer > users and developer were asking for AppleScript support from the very > start of VoiceOver and well before the NFB ever heard of VoiceOver. > > All Mac application should support AppleScript as a rule and in fact > if you build your application in XCode and Interface Builder now they > do. > > The addition of AppleScript support was and is just bringing VoiceOver > up to the standards that all Mac applications should strive for. Not > having it was an omission on the part of Apple and one that I as a > developer am glad that they corrected. Would that every developer > would do the same for their applications. > > > Gregory Kearney > Manager - Accessible Media > Association for the Blind of Western Australia > 61 Kitchener Avenue, PO Box 101 > Victoria Park 6979, WA Australia > > Telephone: +61 (08) 9311 8202 > Telephone: +1 (307) 224-4022 (North America) > Fax: +61 (08) 9361 8696 > Toll free: 1800 658 388 (Australia only) > Email: gkear...@gmail.com > > On 07/09/2009, at 8:52 PM, Jes Smith wrote: > >> >> Hi all. >> >> I am greatly concerned that voice over now has support for scripting. >> Especially now that you can make voice over launch an application >> with >> a single script. I'm not talking about glancing at the time or seeing >> how many unread messages you have in mail. I'm talking about opening >> up apps like mail or Safari from within Voice OVer. I am concerned >> that voice over is starting to become a bit like Jaws, and that if we >> don't get a grip on it now, voice over will become Jaws for >> Macintosh. >> I, like Mike Arrigo, don't feel that launching apps is something that >> should be implemented in a screen reader. Also, I fear that the use >> of >> apple scripts will replace the responsibility of an application >> developer to make their application accessible right out of the box. >> On the Windows side, if something isn't accessible with Jaws, you >> just >> download scripts for it. What if you go to another person's computer >> and they don't have the scripts for the app you are trying to use? >> It's my belief that a certain article from the NFB prompted this >> scripting support. Folks, the thing I like about voice over is that >> it >> gives the blind user the same conceptual layout and information as it >> appears on the screen to a sighted user. No other screen reader does >> this, and we should keep voice over as a screen reader, and let it >> be. >> If we don't, eventually, when we try and contact an Apple developer, >> they will either ignore us, or will say, "Well, just download the >> scripts for my application and you will have access." >> Any thoughts? If someone disagrees with me, I'd love to hear your >> arguments, not so that I can persuade you to agree with me, but so >> that I can have a new perspective. >> >> Jes >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My MacBook Pro Has Arrived
Did not an adaptor for the mini come with it? On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Rich Ring wrote: > > You made the right choice. I tried to save money and purchased a Mac > Mini, and it was definitely the wrong choice. The reason for my > disappointment is, that without a monitor, Safari is fundamentally > useless. I was advised to purchase an adapter that would allow the > Mac Mini to connect to a TV. I received this device in the mail > today, and there is no way one can connect it to the mini. So, I am > back to square one. > > This means that I either take this computer back to the Apple store or > purchase a chap monitor. I hope I can find a monitor that is not made > by Apple that will work. Apple hardware is quite overpriced. My > advice to any perspective Mac users, don't buy a mini, get one of the > more expensive systems. You'll most likely end up saving money in the > long run. > At least I got email to work. > On Sep 8, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Les Kriegler wrote: > >> >> The subject line says it all. Also, I contacted Apple Tech Support >> and >> found out that my system has a Fire Wire 800 port, so the LaCi >> external >> drive sounds like a definite purchase for backup purposes. Also, I >> learned >> that Time Machine for Backups is included, Nice! I'm excited to >> get going! >> >> Les >> >> >> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4407 (20090908) __ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >>> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
snow leopard and fusion
Will vm ware's fusion work with snow leopard? There were some on a forum claiming it might not. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: hey guys new mac user
Hello. Good luck with your Mac. There are some good podcasts on blind cool tech having to do with the Mac. On Sep 21, 10:06 am, David Geiger wrote: > hey guys i am a new mac user i get my new mac book pro 13 inch today i > cannot wait i will probly be needing help so hope u guys can help and > a shot out to the screenless switchers all five of you help me decide > to toss windows and go mac thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Fusion and Linux
Hello. I ran fusion, and put an ubuntu cd into the drive. I chose new from the fusion menu. I picked easy install. But after hearing the disk, there was no ubuntu log in sound. Am I missing a step? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Can Fusion work with a 64 bit OS?
Hello. I am running vista 64 bit with fusion, under Leopard. On Sep 21, 11:39 pm, "Frank Ventura" wrote: > Hi all, does anyone know if it is possible to install a 64 bit Windows > OS in Fusion? Specifically can the 64 bit version of Windows Server 2008 > or 64 bit version of Vista run under Fusion? > Thanks > Frank > > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 11:10 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: windows 7 > > Hi May, > > If you use Boot Camp, you can boot into either Windows or Mac OS. When > you choose one, that operating system uses all the resources of the > computer, and you have to reboot to use the other. The reason Windows > doesn't speak during the install is that you don't have access to > VoiceOver. > > You might want to consider using Fusion instead. This allows you to > run Windows while running Leopard. The down side is that your system's > resources must be split between the two, but the advantage is that you > can switch between Windows and Mac programs and run them simultaneously. > > Best, > Anna- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
