Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read the 
book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t mute 
voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have asked the 
developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a Braille 
display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion to read 
quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience for me.  I 
think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can actually touch the 
text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text being read anywhere.

Andrew 

> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not work 
for what you want or even reading the document in something like preview or 
even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book you are reading 

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a 
> Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion to 
> read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience for 
> me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can actually 
> touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text being 
> read anywhere.
> 
> Andrew 
> 
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>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I thought so as well when I installed voice dream reader on my mac and took out 
the subscription but alas I don’t seem to be able to use my Braille display.  I 
open a book, I hit the spacebar for voiceover to start reading thee text but I 
can’t find the text being read anywhere on the screen.  When using the same 
application on IPhone, I can touch the text being read, and I can use my 
Braille display.  Am I missing something?

Andrew

> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:48, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> If you can read them with VoiceOver on the Mac, then, yes, you should be able 
> to use your braille display for the purpose.
> Be aware, however, that the panning behavior on VoiceOver for Mac with a 
> braille display can be awkward, and it may be challenging to read a document 
> sequentially.
> 
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
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>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

These are DAISY books from bookshare.org , hence I can’t 
read them in books app or Preview or some such.

Andrew

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not work 
> for what you want or even reading the document in something like preview or 
> even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book you are 
> reading 
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
>> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
>> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
>> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a 
>> Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion 
>> to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience 
>> for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can 
>> actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text 
>> being read anywhere.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>> 
>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
 for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
 
 I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Julie Rattray]

Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
actual text 

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org , hence I 
> can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book 
>> you are reading 
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
>>> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
>>> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
>>> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have 
>>> a Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on 
>>> occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different 
>>> experience for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and 
>>> you can actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find 
>>> the text being read anywhere.
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
>>> 
 On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen >>> > wrote:
 
 Does it read if you hit the play button? 
 
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
> 
> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: Open Twitter space is from my iPhone.

[Steve Z.]

OK. I’ll add  you. Once  again thank you very much.
Have a good one.

> 21 Ιουν 2022, 1:39 πμ, ο χρήστης «Brett Lewis » 
> έγραψε:
> 
> Glad that works.
> I have been doing spaces with people involved in assistive technology for the 
> last few months or so.
> Always happy to have people join in.
> On twitter: @brettlewisjudo
> Brett
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>> On Monday, June 20th, 2022 at 12:56 PM, Steve Z.  wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks so much Brett. It works just fine. I usually try such a things, but 
>> now I didn’t think of it.
>> Once again thanks.
>> 
>> 
>>> 20 Ιουν 2022, 6:48 μμ, ο χρήστης «Brett Lewis brettle...@brettlewis.us» 
>>> έγραψε:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> The compose tweet button has actions associated with it, so if you select 
>>> actions in the rotor and swipe up/down you should find create a new space.
>>> Let me know if that doesn't work for some reason.
>>> Brett
>>> 
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>>> 
 On Monday, June 20th, 2022 at 8:27 AM, Steve Z. gret...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually by opening I mean create a space.
 
> 20 Ιουν 2022, 6:25 μμ, ο χρήστης «Steve Z. gret...@gmail.com» έγραψε:
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> Hi list,
> My question is how can I open a space on Twitter from my iPhone. I read 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I’ve played with the application some more and I have finally managed to find 
the actual text in the area voiceover reads as “web area” and then having 
interacted with it I found voiceover said “frame” and having interacted with it 
again, I found the text.  I was able to read a few pages using just my Braille 
display.  However, as soon as I left the area and looked elsewhere on my 
computer, I lost the place I finished reading, which meant I had to spend a a 
long time scrolling down to find my place again.  I noticed the meter that 
shows how much of the book has already been read and how much is left showed 
zero, which makes me think reading using braille display doesn’t actually 
register on the meter hence I lost my place in the book.  I shall have to play 
with it some more.

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 10:18, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
> actual text 
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org , hence I 
>> can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book 
>>> you are reading 
>>> 
 On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
 read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I 
 can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I 
 have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t 
 have a Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on 
 occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different 
 experience for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and 
 you can actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t 
 find the text being read anywhere.
 
 Andrew 
 
> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  > wrote:
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> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello,
>> 
>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream 
>> reader for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>> 
>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>> 
>> Andrew
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Further to my Voice Dream Reader for Desktop woes, I’ve played with the 
application some more and I have finally managed to find the actual text in the 
area voiceover reads as “web area” and then having interacted with it I found 
voiceover said “frame” and having interacted with it again, I found the text.  
I can’t quite determine how I found the text other than trying to activate 
‘full screen” by pressing letter F - something I found in the menus.   I was 
able to read a few pages using just my Braille display.  However, as soon as I 
left the area and looked elsewhere on my computer, I lost the place where I 
finished reading, which meant I had to spend a long time scrolling down to find 
my place again.  I noticed the meter that shows how much of the book has 
already been read and how much is left showed zero, which makes me think 
reading using braille display doesn’t actually register on the meter hence I 
lost my place in the book.  I shall have to play with it some more.  It would 
appear the Braille display focus doesn’t move the Voiceover focus with  it.


> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:37, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> I thought so as well when I installed voice dream reader on my mac and took 
> out the subscription but alas I don’t seem to be able to use my Braille 
> display.  I open a book, I hit the spacebar for voiceover to start reading 
> thee text but I can’t find the text being read anywhere on the screen.  When 
> using the same application on IPhone, I can touch the text being read, and I 
> can use my Braille display.  Am I missing something?
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:48, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If you can read them with VoiceOver on the Mac, then, yes, you should be 
>> able to use your braille display for the purpose.
>> Be aware, however, that the panning behavior on VoiceOver for Mac with a 
>> braille display can be awkward, and it may be challenging to read a document 
>> sequentially.
>> 
>>> On 20 Jun, 2022, at 17:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Converting kindle books on the Mac?

['Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries]

Someone asked me if it was possible to convert Kindle books on the Mac in a 
similar fashion as they do with Codex on Windows. So they can archive their 
books. Is there such an app out there for converting Kindle books on the Mac?
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Re: Converting kindle books on the Mac?

[alia robinson]

yep, 

calibre works, but you really need the serial number of a kindle device, and 
sighted help to set it up, but once it is it works great.

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> Someone asked me if it was possible to convert Kindle books on the Mac in a 
> similar fashion as they do with Codex on Windows. So they can archive their 
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Re: Voices in new OS.

[dan d.]

As I recall you have used the double/triple synth voices, as did I for many 
years.  I hate the default alex foice on the mac.  The tom voice
comes closest to the double/triple voices.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Jonathan
> ,
> auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
> anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
> given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
> At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
> installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as I
> make slight adjustments.
> Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
> although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
> said?
> Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become
> my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
> taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
> Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
> Karen
>
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>
> > Karen and all,
> > Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
> > demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating 
> > systems?
> > They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Jonathan Cohn
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> >>
> >> Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
> >> By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger 
> >> the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
> >> It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of 
> >> being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple products 
> >> at all.
> >> My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices 
> >> because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> >>
> >>> Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older 
> >>> machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>  wrote:
> 
>  ???hi Tim,
>  Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple 
>  support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable 
>  for me as I learn this machine.
>  As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with 
>  practice I will likely be fine.
>  but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
>  Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 
>  hours?
>  If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should 
>  be created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an 
>  alternative way to provide password  at log in, or something of that 
>  sort.
>  best,
>  Karen
> 
> 
> 
> > On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Whether it???s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be 
> > able to see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a 
> > ???Show Password??? option, but this is not the case for the Login 
> > screen.  You do bring up some good points, although I???m not sure I 
> > know a workaround for them.  Even with newer versions of the computer, 
> > and newer versions of the MacOS there are things like the fingerprint 
> > sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full entry of the 
> > password is required after restart or logout for security reasons.  I 
> > will need to check with someone at Apple if there???s some other way 
> > that I???m not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone 
> > with dexterity challenges.
> >
> > Later???
> >
> >
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Jamf Certified Tech
> > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >
> >>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tim,
> >> Thanks as always.
> >> When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
> >> since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or 
> >> used to  a larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
> >> however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does 
> >> not let you speak your password either, which speaking personally 
> >> seems like rather a barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
> >> While I respect the risk idea, I am more bothered by the noninclusive 
> >> nature of the door if that resonates.
> >> If I could say set the requirement for once eve

Re: Voices in new OS.

[Jessica Moss]

Honestly, Alex has always been the one I’ve been partial to sense leaving 
eloquence behind.  I’ve tried every other voice that came out for Mac/IOS that 
was supposed to sound better, and for me, they just didn’t have the same flow 
that he has.
  They either were too skippy, laggy, or in some way shape or form, didn’t 
sound right when reading for long periods of time.

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 9:51 AM, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> As I recall you have used the double/triple synth voices, as did I for many 
> years.  I hate the default alex foice on the mac.  The tom voice
> comes closest to the double/triple voices.
> 
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> 
>> Jonathan
>> ,
>> auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
>> anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
>> given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
>> At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
>> installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as I
>> make slight adjustments.
>> Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
>> although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
>> said?
>> Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become
>> my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
>> taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
>> Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> Karen and all,
>>> Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
>>> demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating 
>>> systems?
>>> They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
 
 Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
 By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger 
 the dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
 It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of 
 being on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple products 
 at all.
 My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices 
 because of how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.
 
 
 
 On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
> Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older 
> machines, can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ???hi Tim,
>> Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple 
>> support, the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable 
>> for me as I learn this machine.
>> As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with 
>> practice I will likely be fine.
>> but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
>> Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 
>> hours?
>> If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should 
>> be created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an 
>> alternative way to provide password  at log in, or something of that 
>> sort.
>> best,
>> Karen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Whether it???s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be 
>>> able to see what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a 
>>> ???Show Password??? option, but this is not the case for the Login 
>>> screen.  You do bring up some good points, although I???m not sure I 
>>> know a workaround for them.  Even with newer versions of the computer, 
>>> and newer versions of the MacOS there are things like the fingerprint 
>>> sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full entry of the 
>>> password is required after restart or logout for security reasons.  I 
>>> will need to check with someone at Apple if there???s some other way 
>>> that I???m not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone 
>>> with dexterity challenges.
>>> 
>>> Later???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  
> wrote:
 
 Tim,
 Thanks as always.
 When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
 since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, 

Re: hand-off

[Phil Halton]

I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
problem.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not running 
> ios 15. that might be the problem.
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
>> the most current version of iOS and macOS.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
>> Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
>> isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
>> 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try the following:
>>> 
>>> 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
>>> 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
>>> a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
>>> the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
>>> b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
>>> iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. do 
>>> I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I do 
>>> to get the process started?
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
 enabled.
 I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
 
 - Brad -
 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
 
 It works through the cloud.
 
 
 Herbie
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices 
> as well?
> Pete De Vasto
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand-off
> 
> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see 
> the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to 
> Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from 
> there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone 
> to get it to cooperate.
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
>> Mac?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Karen Lewellen]

Bookshare provides a format  called Daisy text.  In the zip archive is a 
.XML  file which is the actual text itself.
i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
something like  tables if it could be read that way?
Personally I take mine, load them into a browser,  save them as text and 
read  them in my word processor.




On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:


Ah ok that makes sense I haven???t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
actual text


On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

These are DAISY books from bookshare.org , hence I 
can???t read them in books app or Preview or some such.

Andrew


On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Haven???t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not work 
for what you want or even reading the document in something like preview or 
even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book you are reading


On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read the 
book but I can???t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can???t mute 
voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have asked the 
developer but he doesn???t seem to know as he says he doesn???t have a Braille 
display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion to read 
quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience for me.  I 
think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can actually touch the 
text with your finger.  On the mac, I can???t find the text being read anywhere.

Andrew


On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Does it read if you hit the play button?


On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hello,

Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader for 
mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?

I???ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.

Andrew

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Re: Voices in new OS.

[Karen Lewellen]

Not sure why you would think this, have never used such voices.
Although Jessica's comment is an interesting one regardless.
for many people  depending on when they came to computers the voice 
representing  that access is more than a novelty.
further, speaking personally, adaptive technology serves as a substitution 
for, even an extension of basic human functions..these are not toys. Nor 
more than eyes hands or ears are toys.
If apple  is treating these voices elegance or whatever like novelty 
voices, they are doing users who rely on them, each with different 
interests needs and preferences a disservice.
the dectalk voices I use in hardware from have been, I am told, quite 
destroyed in their later digital form as an example.


Kare



On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, dan d. wrote:



As I recall you have used the double/triple synth voices, as did I for many 
years.  I hate the default alex foice on the mac.  The tom voice
comes closest to the double/triple voices.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Jonathan
,
auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as I
make slight adjustments.
Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
said?
Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become
my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
Karen



On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Karen and all,
Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating systems?
They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger the 
dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of being 
on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple products at all.
My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices because of 
how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines, 
can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

???hi Tim,
Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple support, 
the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for me as I learn 
this machine.
As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with practice I 
will likely be fine.
but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 hours?
If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way to 
provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.
best,
Karen




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Whether it???s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to see 
what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a ???Show Password??? 
option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do bring up some 
good points, although I???m not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with 
newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there are 
things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full 
entry of the password is required after restart or logout for security reasons. 
 I will need to check with someone at Apple if there???s some other way that 
I???m not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone with 
dexterity challenges.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Tim,
Thanks as always.
When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
since voiceover is not providing input, if one is new to the mac, or used to  a 
larger keyboard, mistakes are quite likely.
however, what happens if someone cannot type at all?  the system does not let 
you speak your password either, which speaking personally seems like rather a 
barrier for those experiencing motor challenges.
While I respec

Re: Voices in new OS.

[Karen Lewellen]

illustrating my point exactly.
Each individual brings a preference to  the tool they use, some rooted in 
the physical, some in just enjoyment.
I have no idea what voice I am using on my Mac yet, too busy managing 
other issues like the fact the track pad gets engaged if I so much as sneeze 
laughs.
The voice of the tutorial, I believe Tim says his name is Fred,  has 
nothing on the first voice used for the tutorial years back..which 
differed entirely from the system voice used by voiceover.
Again, if apple is adding all these tools, the ability to manipulate their 
quality should be both present and easy to access as well, speaking 
personally.




On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Jessica Moss wrote:


Honestly, Alex has always been the one I’ve been partial to sense leaving 
eloquence behind.  I’ve tried every other voice that came out for Mac/IOS that 
was supposed to sound better, and for me, they just didn’t have the same flow 
that he has.
 They either were too skippy, laggy, or in some way shape or form, didn’t sound 
right when reading for long periods of time.


On Jun 21, 2022, at 9:51 AM, dan d.  wrote:


As I recall you have used the double/triple synth voices, as did I for many 
years.  I hate the default alex foice on the mac.  The tom voice
comes closest to the double/triple voices.

On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Jonathan
,
auditory processing is a brain injury, I am not about to listen to
anything,  provided in an environment, that might put me in hospital.
given even IOS and windows settings make me dizzy, the answer is no.
At this point I am feeling the default voice provided  with this mid 2012
installation of Catalina will be just fine with practice.  Especially as I
make slight adjustments.
Far more  concerned about the  combination of keystrokes required, and
although I am sure it is here somewhere, how to repeat what vo has just
said?
Practice makes more comfortable, even if I doubt this is likely to become
my main machine any time soon..I love typing at 85 words a minute, and not
taking my hands off the keys too much laughs.
Thanks for the question, and the consideration though!
Karen



On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Karen and all,
Have you listened to either the AppleVis or Jonathan Mosen podcast 
demonstrating the new voices that are available in beta Apple operating systems?
They have even broght Eloquence to IOS.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 15, 2022, at 15:57, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Which in one case requires one have more than one product.
By way of example, I have yet to find an iOS voice that does not trigger the 
dizziness aspect of my auditory processing condition.
It is one reason why I wanted an older mac, and why I am, after years of being 
on this list, only now in a position to really  use apple products at all.
My point is that inclusion also means choices, and limiting choices because of 
how a person's body works, is not inclusion..at all.



On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:


Newer Macintosh computers have a fingerprint sensor and even older machines, 
can be unlocked if you are wearing an Apple Watch.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

???hi Tim,
Please share what you learn.  Just got off the phone with main apple support, 
the time window is only 8 hours, which is just not  suitable for me as I learn 
this machine.
As shared I have no issues with the data  not being presented, with practice I 
will likely be fine.
but as I just shared with my apple rep, you expect someone like the late 
Stephen Hawking to  have someone  provide his log in password every 8 hours?
If there is not an existing work-around for that population, one should be 
created, even if hidden in the  security privacy  area, an alternative way to 
provide password  at log in, or something of that sort.
best,
Karen




On Wed, 15 Jun 2022, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Whether it???s a VoiceOver user or a sighted user, they will not be able to see 
what is being entered.  Yes, on some web-sites, there is a ???Show Password??? 
option, but this is not the case for the Login screen.  You do bring up some 
good points, although I???m not sure I know a workaround for them.  Even with 
newer versions of the computer, and newer versions of the MacOS there are 
things like the fingerprint sensor.  The limitation here is still that the full 
entry of the password is required after restart or logout for security reasons. 
 I will need to check with someone at Apple if there???s some other way that 
I???m not aware of that would allow for password entry for someone with 
dexterity challenges.

Later???


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:18, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Tim,
Thanks as always.
When I spoke to apple accessibility I asked a question.
since voiceo

Re: hand-off

[Pete De Vasto]

The problem might be with the hardware you’re using. I have a Mac mini from 
2014, and I can’t get Handoff to work either on it. I have an SE 2022 iPhone, 
and both phone and computer are running the latest OS’s. Wi-fi and Bluetooth 
are also both enabled.  If you look at Apple Support, they talk about 
Continuity System requirements, and supposedly my Mac mini should work, but it 
doesn’t. I’m wondering if there is something about Monterey that’s getting in 
the way.
Pete De Vasto

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
> versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
> problem.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not running 
>> ios 15. that might be the problem.
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
>>> the most current version of iOS and macOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
>>> Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
>>> isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
>>> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Try the following:
 
 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
 a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
 the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
 b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
 iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. 
 do I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I 
 do to get the process started?
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
> enabled.
> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It works through the cloud.
> 
> 
> Herbie
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices 
>> as well?
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>> 
>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see 
>> the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to 
>> Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from 
>> there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone 
>> to get it to cooperate.
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
>>> Mac?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
It was a bit of an issue in the beta but  there should be some area to interact 
with from what I remember.
I don’t have it as he has a monthly subscription which I don’t want so I 
trashed it on my Mac.
Sad but it is what it is.
/A

> 21 juni 2022 kl. 10:33 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a 
> Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion to 
> read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience for 
> me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can actually 
> touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text being 
> read anywhere.
> 
> Andrew 
> 
>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: hand-off

[Lorie McCloud]

ah that's good to know. as you know I have probably the same Mac mini.

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:48 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> The problem might be with the hardware you’re using. I have a Mac mini from 
> 2014, and I can’t get Handoff to work either on it. I have an SE 2022 iPhone, 
> and both phone and computer are running the latest OS’s. Wi-fi and Bluetooth 
> are also both enabled.  If you look at Apple Support, they talk about 
> Continuity System requirements, and supposedly my Mac mini should work, but 
> it doesn’t. I’m wondering if there is something about Monterey that’s getting 
> in the way.
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
>> versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
>> problem.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not 
>>> running ios 15. that might be the problem.
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
 the most current version of iOS and macOS.
 
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off 
 is Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my 
 devices isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try the following:
> 
> 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
> 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
> a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
> the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
> b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
> iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. 
> do I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do 
> I do to get the process started?
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
>> enabled.
>> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> It works through the cloud.
>> 
>> 
>> Herbie
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both 
>>> devices as well?
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>>> 
>>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see 
>>> the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to 
>>> Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from 
>>> there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone 
>>> to get it to cooperate.
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
 Mac?
 
 thanks.
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RE: hand-off

[pdevasto0219]

After thinking about this topic a bit more after sending the last message, I 
seem to remember that these older Mac Mini's don't have something called an 
Airplay receiver or something. I'd have to go back and look it up, but maybe 
someone else in the group knows about that part. One thing I discovered I could 
do, though, if I wanted to take something I was listening to on my iPhone and 
bring it up on my Mac, was to tap Share on my iPhone, and airdrop the link to 
my Mac. When I do that, the Mac either opens the link in Safari automatically 
or I simply accept the request.
Hope that helps,
Pete De Vasto

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 11:58 AM
To: via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: hand-off

ah that's good to know. as you know I have probably the same Mac mini.

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:48 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
> 
> The problem might be with the hardware you’re using. I have a Mac mini from 
> 2014, and I can’t get Handoff to work either on it. I have an SE 2022 iPhone, 
> and both phone and computer are running the latest OS’s. Wi-fi and Bluetooth 
> are also both enabled.  If you look at Apple Support, they talk about 
> Continuity System requirements, and supposedly my Mac mini should work, but 
> it doesn’t. I’m wondering if there is something about Monterey that’s getting 
> in the way.
> Pete De Vasto
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
>> versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
>> problem.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not 
>>> running ios 15. that might be the problem.
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
 the most current version of iOS and macOS.
 
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off 
 is Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my 
 devices isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try the following:
> 
> 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
> 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
> a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
> the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
> b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
> iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. 
> do I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do 
> I do to get the process started?
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
>> enabled.
>> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> It works through the cloud.
>> 
>> 
>> Herbie
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both 
>>> devices as well?
>>> Pete De Vasto
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>>> 
>>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see 
>>> the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to 
>>> Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from 
>>> there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone 
>>> to get it to cooperate.
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
 Mac?
 
 thanks.
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Karen,

I’m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way.  I wasn’t aware that 
.xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn’t dare play with them. 
Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into your browser?  do 
I understand you correctly?

Andrew 

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
> file which is the actual text itself.
> i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
> something like tables if it could be read that way?
> Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and read 
> them in my word processor.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:
> 
>> Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
>> actual text
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org 
>>> >, 
>>> hence I can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
 On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray >>> >> wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
 work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
 preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book 
 you are reading
 
> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>    >> wrote:
> 
> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
> read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I 
> can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display. I 
> have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he 
> doesn’t have a Braille display. This is a bit of a drawback for me as I 
> like on occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely 
> different experience for me. I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille 
> display and you can actually touch the text with your finger. On the mac, 
> I can’t find the text being read anywhere.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen > > >> wrote:
>> 
>> Does it read if you hit the play button?
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> >>  >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream 
>>> reader for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Andrew,
Certainly.
Let me preface that I am *not* using the mac to accomplish this task, but 
cannot imagine why the process would not be comparative, its just a file.
Also,  for my own record keeping I tend to  change the name when I save 
the file  to a .txt from the .XML source.


For my explanation lets pretend you have a copy of say John Steinbeck's 
east  of Eden.
when the zip archive is unpacked then you will have several files that 
contain the title, with proper capitalization, including one that says

East_of_Eden.XML
Again I unpack the zip file  in its own directory or folder, so to avoid 
confusion with other common files bookshare sends every time.

once unpacked I simply type the file name into my browser.
As I use a shell service based on  Ubuntu Linux I have several lower 
graphics options.  To keep the explanation simple, I might type

lynx east_of_Eden.XML
I could even use a wildcard if the title is especially long, something 
like

lynx East_*.XML
the result is for me the same.
my browser presents what is actually already a text edition of the file, 
displaying XML, much as it displays .html files.
because  the browser also, when properly compiled even for the Mac, has 
the option to save to a local file, or email the file, I can, after 
choosing this command and saving the file to what I wish, say eastofe.txt
You can choose whatever file name works for you,  using .txt as the 
extension.
What happens next though depends on how you read regular text files with 
your  braille display.

I suppose? in theory you could even read in your browser if desired.
For the record, as shared, there is a mac edition of lynx, if actually 
using the tool resonates.

Sing out if you have more questions.
Kare



On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Karen,

I???m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way.  I wasn???t aware 
that .xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn???t dare play with 
them. Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into your 
browser?  do I understand you correctly?

Andrew


On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
file which is the actual text itself.
i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
something like tables if it could be read that way?
Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and read 
them in my word processor.



On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:


Ah ok that makes sense I haven???t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
actual text


On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

These are DAISY books from bookshare.org >, hence I can???t read them in books app or Preview or some such.

Andrew


On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Hi,

Haven???t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not work 
for what you want or even reading the document in something like preview or 
even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book you are reading


On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:

Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read the 
book but I can???t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can???t mute 
voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display. I have asked the 
developer but he doesn???t seem to know as he says he doesn???t have a Braille 
display. This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion to read 
quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience for me. I 
think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can actually touch the 
text with your finger. On the mac, I can???t find the text being read anywhere.

Andrew


On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Does it read if you hit the play button?


On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:

Hello,

Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader for 
mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?

I???ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.

Andrew

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Re: hand-off

[Brad Snyder]

I believe Handoff should work on Macs from 2013, and newer.


- Brad -



On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:48, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

The problem might be with the hardware you’re using. I have a Mac mini from 
2014, and I can’t get Handoff to work either on it. I have an SE 2022 iPhone, 
and both phone and computer are running the latest OS’s. Wi-fi and Bluetooth 
are also both enabled.  If you look at Apple Support, they talk about 
Continuity System requirements, and supposedly my Mac mini should work, but it 
doesn’t. I’m wondering if there is something about Monterey that’s getting in 
the way.
Pete De Vasto

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
> versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
> problem.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not running 
>> ios 15. that might be the problem.
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are running 
>>> the most current version of iOS and macOS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off is 
>>> Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my devices 
>>> isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
>>> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 Try the following:
 
 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
 a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to find 
 the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
 b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
 iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. 
 do I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do I 
 do to get the process started?
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
> enabled.
> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It works through the cloud.
> 
> 
> Herbie
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both devices 
>> as well?
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand-off
>> 
>> Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud account. 
>> Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you will see 
>> the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, go to 
>> Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to go from 
>> there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart the phone 
>> to get it to cooperate.
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
>>> Mac?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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a question about compact voices.

[Karen Lewellen]

Going to start a different thread about applications, but one goal at a 
time.
While taking the tutorial I reached the place where  voices, pitch rate and 
inflection can be adjusted.
I recall that one can get an alternative to compact voices,  enhanced 
perhaps?
Do not recall the process however, do I need my apple id for this, or is 
there another path?

Thanks,
Karen

Re: hand-off

[Lorie McCloud]

oh actually that helps a lot! I have used airdrop so I know I can.

> On Jun 21, 2022, at 2:10 PM, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> After thinking about this topic a bit more after sending the last message, I 
> seem to remember that these older Mac Mini's don't have something called an 
> Airplay receiver or something. I'd have to go back and look it up, but maybe 
> someone else in the group knows about that part. One thing I discovered I 
> could do, though, if I wanted to take something I was listening to on my 
> iPhone and bring it up on my Mac, was to tap Share on my iPhone, and airdrop 
> the link to my Mac. When I do that, the Mac either opens the link in Safari 
> automatically or I simply accept the request.
> Hope that helps,
> Pete De Vasto
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Lorie McCloud
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 11:58 AM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: hand-off
> 
> ah that's good to know. as you know I have probably the same Mac mini.
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 11:48 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> The problem might be with the hardware you’re using. I have a Mac mini from 
>> 2014, and I can’t get Handoff to work either on it. I have an SE 2022 
>> iPhone, and both phone and computer are running the latest OS’s. Wi-fi and 
>> Bluetooth are also both enabled.  If you look at Apple Support, they talk 
>> about Continuity System requirements, and supposedly my Mac mini should 
>> work, but it doesn’t. I’m wondering if there is something about Monterey 
>> that’s getting in the way.
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t believe your iOS version is a problem. I’ve used handoff in prior 
>>> versions, I think iOS 13 in fact, definitely iOS 14, and it hasn’t been a 
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2022, at 5:02 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 ok. I did check that handoff is enabled on both devices but I'm not 
 running ios 15. that might be the problem.
 
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Make sure Handoff is enabled on both devices, and both devices are 
> running the most current version of iOS and macOS.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 15:52, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> on the far left of my dock is finder. the app I usually want to hand off 
> is Safari. I tried command-tab too and never heard it. maybe one of my 
> devices isn't signed into iCloud. keychain works so I don't know.
> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:01 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Try the following:
>> 
>> 1.  On your iPhone, have the app you wish to Handoff open and in focus.
>> 2.  Now, on your Mac, do one of the following:
>> a.  Go to the Dock, and navigate to the far left end of the dock, to 
>> find the app you wish to handoff from your iPhone.
>> b.  Press CMD + Tab, until you land on the item that says Handoff from 
>> iPhone, and release to accept the handoff and open the app on your Mac.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 18:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> both of my devices have bluetooth on because I use it with other things. 
>> do I need to bring the phone near the Mac or anything like that? what do 
>> I do to get the process started?
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 6:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it works through the cloud, but you still have to have Bluetooth 
>>> enabled.
>>> I think your devices also have to be on the same Wi-Fi network.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 17:40, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It works through the cloud.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Herbie
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2022, at 15:29, pdevasto0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Am I right that you also have to have Bluetooth enabled on both 
 devices as well?
 Pete De Vasto
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  On Behalf Of Herbie Allen
 Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 1:23 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: hand-off
 
 Make sure both devices divices are logged into the same iCloud 
 account. Then go to system preferences, and General. At the bottom you 
 will see the option for handoff. Check the box. Then on your iPhone, 
 go to Settings, General, AirPlay, and Handoff. You should be good to 
 go from there after you enable it, though sometimes I have to restart 
 the phone to get it to cooperate.
 
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 14:43, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> what do I need to do in order to hand off things from my iPhone to my 
> Mac?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
>>

Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much for this.  I shall give it a go.

Andrew

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 22:25, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> Certainly.
> Let me preface that I am *not* using the mac to accomplish this task, but 
> cannot imagine why the process would not be comparative, its just a file.
> Also, for my own record keeping I tend to change the name when I save the 
> file to a .txt from the .XML source.
> 
> For my explanation lets pretend you have a copy of say John Steinbeck's east 
> of Eden.
> when the zip archive is unpacked then you will have several files that 
> contain the title, with proper capitalization, including one that says
> East_of_Eden.XML
> Again I unpack the zip file in its own directory or folder, so to avoid 
> confusion with other common files bookshare sends every time.
> once unpacked I simply type the file name into my browser.
> As I use a shell service based on Ubuntu Linux I have several lower graphics 
> options. To keep the explanation simple, I might type
> lynx east_of_Eden.XML
> I could even use a wildcard if the title is especially long, something like
> lynx East_*.XML
> the result is for me the same.
> my browser presents what is actually already a text edition of the file, 
> displaying XML, much as it displays .html files.
> because the browser also, when properly compiled even for the Mac, has the 
> option to save to a local file, or email the file, I can, after choosing this 
> command and saving the file to what I wish, say eastofe.txt
> You can choose whatever file name works for you, using .txt as the extension.
> What happens next though depends on how you read regular text files with your 
> braille display.
> I suppose? in theory you could even read in your browser if desired.
> For the record, as shared, there is a mac edition of lynx, if actually using 
> the tool resonates.
> Sing out if you have more questions.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Karen,
>> 
>> I’m intrigued by the way you deal with DAISY in this way. I wasn’t aware 
>> that .xml file actually holds the text of the book so I didn’t dare play 
>> with them. Could you describe the steps you take loading such files into 
>> your browser? do I understand you correctly?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 15:39, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bookshare provides a format called Daisy text. In the zip archive is a .XML 
>>> file which is the actual text itself.
>>> i am not a braille user, but do wonder if you loaded the XML file into 
>>> something like tables if it could be read that way?
>>> Personally I take mine, load them into a browser, save them as text and 
>>> read them in my word processor.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2022, Julie Rattray wrote:
>>> 
 Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
 actual text
 
> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>    >> wrote:
> 
> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org 
>  > >>, 
> hence I can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray > > >> > > 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the 
>> book you are reading
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> >>  
>>> >>>  
>>> >>  >> 
>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to 
>>> read the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus 
>>> I can’t mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille 
>>> display. I have asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he 
>>> says he doesn’t have a Braille display. This is a bit of a drawback for 
>>> me as I like on occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a 
>>> completely different 

Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, I have finally found the area and i was able to read the text with the 
Braille display but as soon as I move away from that area, and then return to 
the text, I find myself at the beginning of the book again.  Voice Dream Reader 
forr Mac doesn’t remember where you left off with the Braille display.  I have 
been wondering whether there’s a way Voiceover/keyboard focus could track 
Braille cursor if there is such a thing. :)

Andrew

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 19:43, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> It was a bit of an issue in the beta but  there should be some area to 
> interact with from what I remember.
> I don’t have it as he has a monthly subscription which I don’t want so I 
> trashed it on my Mac.
> Sad but it is what it is.
> /A
> 
>> 21 juni 2022 kl. 10:33 skrev 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
>> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
>> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
>> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a 
>> Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion 
>> to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience 
>> for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can 
>> actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text 
>> being read anywhere.
>> 
>> Andrew 
>> 
>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>>> 
 On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
 for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
 
 I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
 
 Andrew
 
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