FW: [tech-vi Announce List] Microsoft announces Windows 365, a cloud OS you can stream

[skipper8218]

I understand that this is not a Windows group, but I wonder if Microsoft’s 
Windows in the Cloud Service could be a solution for those wanting to run 
Windows on the Mac.

I wonder how accessible this service would be using VoiceOver and Windows 
screen readers.

Is this something Mac users who are visually impaired would welcome?

I always prefer to keep the two operating systems separate.

 

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Microsoft announces Windows 365, a cloud OS you can stream


  

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What you need to know


*   Microsoft has announced a new, cloud version of Windows 10 and Windows 
11.
*   It's called Windows 365 and is launching August 2nd.
*   It's like XCloud, but for Windows.
*   For now, it is only for enterprise and EDU.

Update July 15, 2021, at 1:00 pm ET: The service's pricing model has been 
partially revealed 

 .

Microsoft has today announced its new Cloud PC service, officially called 
Windows 365, that allowing customers to create installs of Windows 10 or 
Windows 11   in the cloud and stream 
the OS to any device. The service will go live August 2nd 

 , and is designed to bring the best of Windows to any device, including Mac, 
iPad, or Android devices.

Windows 365 will allow users to install their favorite Windows apps and 
experiences in the cloud, and access them from any device they choose. Cloud 
PCs will support "instant-on" start up, and will be available via subscription 
at a flat rate.

Of course, Windows 365 is not replacing Windows 11 or Windows 10. The local 
version of Windows is still considered the latest, and will always be available 
to install locally without a subscription. Windows 365 is merely a service that 
allows users to stream instances of Windows 10 or Windows 11 via the cloud as 
if it were your own PC.

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Windows 365 is built on Azure Virtual Desktops, and works in a similar fashion 
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service, which allows you to stream games from the cloud. Users will be able to 
choose the size of their Windows 365 install. Microsoft hasn't yet announced 
plans or pricing for Windows 365, but the company is expected to do so on 
August 2nd when the service goes live. Microsoft unveiled Windows 365 during 
its Inspire 2021 keynote.

The service will launch first for enterprises, with no word on when or if 
Windows 365 will be available for non-enterprise customers. What are your 
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Re: iCloud Alias

[Kliph]

You can go into settings, your appleID, iCloud, then to mail.  Uncheck the 
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> On Jul 19, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> you might be able to hack something with mail rules possibly with advanced 
> imap  features but esensually when you use aliases it is all one account. The 
> best thing to do would be to create a second iCloud account and use that with 
> some of your aliases.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:41 PM, Agent086b  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I may have asked this on a list before, if so I can’t remember the answer.
>> I have a couple of iCloud aliases that my wife & I use separately. I don’t 
>> want all of these downloading on My Mac or iPhone.
>> How can I have only one Alias download?
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> Max.
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getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[alia robinson]

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
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> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
> 
> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[alia robinson]

right, I knew it was you this happened to. I’m not the best at any of this to 
begin with and my husband does IT on windows, so has no clue.

> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Since you are most likely migrating from an older Intel-based Mac, to a new M1 
Mac, you should be aware that the 2 systems are very different and not 
compatible.
A couple of users on this list have tried using a Time Machine backup from 
their older Intel-based Mac, to setup their new M1 Mac, and the results were 
devastating.  In both of these cases, the new M1 Mac was rendered unusable,, 
and had to be returned to Apple.

Transferring your data and applications using the Migration assistant may be a 
safer option to consider.

HTH.

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On Jul 20, 2021, at 08:19, alia robinson  wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: How can I tell which address I forwarded an e-mail to after the fact?

[Brad Snyder]

Alternatively, after selecting the sent message, and invoking the resend option 
using CMD + Shift + D, navigate to the “To” field,, and interact twice, using 
VO + Shift + Down Arrow, and open the Shortcut menu, using VO + Shift M, where 
you can view the recipient’s address.

HTH.  

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On Jul 20, 2021, at 00:38, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

Hi Kevin,

choose the sent e-Mail, press CMD + Shift + d, navigate to the to-field, copy 
this to the clipboard, paste it into a textfield. There you’ll find the address.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 20.07.2021 um 07:19 schrieb Kevin Gibbs :
> 
> My wife has three different e-mail addresses.  Last night, I forwarded an 
> e-mail to her and now I can’t remember the address to which I forwarded it.  
> I look in the Sent file on my Mac running 10.12.6.  but all I see is her 
> name.   When I right-click, I see two e-mail addresses which are both greyed 
> out.  How an I tell which one I sent the mail to without asking her?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A

> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>> 
>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

The M1 Macs are the future.
Conflicts between the old and new are to be expected.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A

> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>> 
>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Matthew Janusauskas]

I used migration assistant moving from an Intel MacBook Pro to an M1 MacBook 
Pro and did not experience any issues.

Matthew


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:57 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Since you are most likely migrating from an older Intel-based Mac, to a new 
> M1 Mac, you should be aware that the 2 systems are very different and not 
> compatible.
> A couple of users on this list have tried using a Time Machine backup from 
> their older Intel-based Mac, to setup their new M1 Mac, and the results were 
> devastating.  In both of these cases, the new M1 Mac was rendered unusable,, 
> and had to be returned to Apple.
> 
> Transferring your data and applications using the Migration assistant may be 
> a safer option to consider.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 08:19, alia robinson  > wrote:
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> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
 
 the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
 tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I'm glad.
I found it much easier to create an account on the Mac because my iPhone was 
already in the cloud.
Setting up the Mac this way was easier than Windows.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
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 tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
 
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[skipper8218]

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A




20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna



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the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a backup 
made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, in the 
event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive failure.
Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
should not be done as a matter of practice. 

It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from scratch, 
and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the new Mac has 
been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time consuming and less 
convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to proceed, as I am 
sure Donna will agree.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
 
 the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
 tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A




20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna



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the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.


- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?
Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Well,

Thanks for the tips.

I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A





20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna




On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

That depends on how you format the external HD.
I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18,   
wrote:

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.
Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?
Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.
Thanks.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> > wrote:
 
 the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
 tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
 
 alia
 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.

I have no idea how those drives are formatted.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

That depends on how you format the external HD.

I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna






On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A





20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna




On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Time Machine is a great tool to have in your toolbox.
I have used it to restore my old 2012 Mac mini when the HD began to fail.
The Time Machine backup restored the Mac mini to where it was before the HD 
failed, and it was like nothing had happened.
It worked great.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:24, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:

Well,
Thanks for the tips.
I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.
 

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com  
wrote:
 
Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?
Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.
When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.
Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.
I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna




> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> 
> Hi”
> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
> But maybe its worth it anyway.
> /A
> 
> 
> 
>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Alia,
>> 
>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
>> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
>> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
>> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
>> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue 
>> with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal 
>> pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>> Just my $.02,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
>>> tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
>>> 
>>> alia
>>> 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

Thanks.

Good to know.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:32 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Time Machine is a great tool to have in your toolbox.

I have used it to restore my old 2012 Mac mini when the HD began to fail.

The Time Machine backup restored the Mac mini to where it was before the HD 
failed, and it was like nothing had happened.

It worked great.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:24, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

Well,

Thanks for the tips.

I think your previous backup suggestions will work for me, and I’ll probably 
never use time machine.

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Yes it does, but when Donna used a Time Machine backup to setup her new M1 Mac, 
everything on her new Mac’s HD was wiped, and replaced with the backup from the 
older Mac, and this is what I believe rendered her new M1 Mac unusable.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:51, skipper8...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 

Does the Mac allow you to clean install the OS just like Windows does maybe 
through a recovery partition?

Then, you could just sign in again and restore through iCloud.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

 

Using the Migration Assistant to migrate data and applications is different 
than restoring from a Time Machine backup.

When restoring from a Time Machine backup, the destination machine’s hard drive 
is wiped, and the contents of the backup are written to the drive.

Since a backup from an Intel-based Mac is incompatible with an M1 Mac, the M1 
Mac is rendered unusable when restoring a backup from an Intel-based Mac.

I believe this is what happened to Donna’s M1 Mac, and at least one other on 
this list.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:33, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A






20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna





On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson mailto:ali...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

alia

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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

I suspect the Passport is formatted in NTFS, which is OK, but it seems to have 
some file size limitations.


- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:30,   
wrote:

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.
I have no idea how those drives are formatted.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
That depends on how you format the external HD.
I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.
Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?
Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.
Thanks.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
 
I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.
This makes setting up a new device really easy.

- Brad -

 
On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna




> On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> > wrote:
 
 the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
 tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
 
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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[skipper8218]

I’ve seen issues where file names have been too long and had to be shortened.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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I suspect the Passport is formatted in NTFS, which is OK, but it seems to have 
some file size limitations.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:30, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Unfortunately, I just used the default settings on the My Passport Drive.

I have no idea how those drives are formatted.

 

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Behalf Of Brad Snyder
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That depends on how you format the external HD.

I suggest using XFAT, if you want an external HD that can be read and written 
to, by both Mac and Windows machines.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 14:18, mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I store my data in Dropbox, iCloud, and Microsoft OneDrive, but I also backup 
data to an external hard drive.

Can I use the same hardrive for media and document backups for Mac and Windows?

Please note that I am just talking about documents, music, and MP4 video files 
and not system backups or images.

Thanks.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 3:16 PM
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I store all my data in either iCloud or Dropbox, which makes it available on 
all my connected devices.

This makes setting up a new device really easy.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

You make a good point.  What I ended up doing, once I got the replacement Mac, 
was just copying my documents folder to iCloud, and then copying the whole 
folder to my Mac.  It was actually super easy, and now the Mac and iCloud 
folders are connected, so when I make a change on my Mac, it’s reflected in the 
cloud.  In the end, I was really happy with this solution.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and recovery.
Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.

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I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
would be misguided.
Cheers,
Donna







On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

Hi”
I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
But maybe its worth it anyway.
/A






20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >:

Alia,

I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at least 
a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of this 
issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to erase 
everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase the 
disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me dead 
in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with the M1 
Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, were I 
you, I wouldn’t chance it.
Just my $.02,
Donna





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the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration tool, 
but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 

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RE: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[ilovecountrymusic483]

In my opion, I would just set things up as new, then copy over what you want  
after setting things up.

Matthew



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right, I knew it was you this happened to. I’m not the best at any of this to 
begin with and my husband does IT on windows, so has no clue.

> On Jul 20, 2021, at 9:41 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Alia,
> 
> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because of 
> this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I went to 
> erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I could erase 
> the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty much left me 
> dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a known issue with 
> the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration Assistant is a royal pain, 
> were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
> Just my $.02,
> Donna

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Re: vmware fusion and bootcamp partition question

[The wolf]

Hello it was just a suggestion

from what I under stnd you can not resize the boot camp partition once 
it has been created


On 7/20/2021 6:32 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Why do you think reloading the OS will help? There are often less 
drastic ways to correct an issue. I'm curious with APFS volumes  the 
partition sizing can be adjusted after initially being created, does 
this extend to the Bootcamp partition too? If so, then you could just 
adjust later in disk utility.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Jul 20, 2021, at 00:49, The wolf > wrote:


Hello

I will give it another go on vmware fusion.

I am still running in to the weird bootcamp slider issue as well

am wondering if I should just reload the mac operating system?

Hank


On 7/19/2021 5:46 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
It just works. Sometimes I push an arrow key to get it to take focus 
but just putting your voiceover cursor into the VM will cause it to 
be taking control. Then when you’re ready to stop using the VM you 
need to push control and option.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 17, 2021, at 5:58 PM, The wolf > wrote:


Hello

I tried doing that and it isn't working

is ther4e anything else you can suggest fore both issues?

Hank



On 7/17/2021 2:25 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:
Matthew



sorry, if you tried switching to fullscreen mode while the vm 
window.  HTH.




Hi,





On 7/17/2021 5:15 PM, The wolf wrote:
think you missed typed in your last email

Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens.  I 
am using fussion 12 with no problems.

can you resend?

Hank


On 7/17/2021 2:14 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



Areusing full scren.  If not, try that and see what happens. I 
am using fussion 12 with no problems.




Hi,




On 7/17/2021 5:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

cmd plus G does not work in vmware fusion 12

and there is no slider wwhat so ever when setting up boot camp 
using the assistant


am confused

I am using the latest osx if that helps any

thanks

Hank


On 7/16/2021 12:42 PM, Matthew Dyer wrote:

Matthew



You can get command ofthe vm was using cmd plus G.  The 
bootcamp partition can be set was using the sider. Interactive 
withthe slider and VO left and right til you have it set the 
way you want then click next.




Hi



On 7/15/2021 7:04 PM, The wolf wrote:

Hello

I have a couple of questions  sent this to the list a couple 
of days ago and have not heard back


in vmware fusion 12

once you start a virtual machine how do you get control of 
the virtual machine to start using it what is the keyboard 
command fore that?


on bootcamp assistant when you choose the size of the 
partition how do you do that?


I can not find the part to change the amount that you set 
aside fore the bootcamp partition and I need to change it


can I please get some help on these questions

thanks

Hank




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Re: looking fore a perticular program on the mac

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

One way is to
Use your right click menu to convert audio files directly from Finder 
So select all the Flac files then use the open with menu.


> On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:50 AM, The wolf  wrote:
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> how do you tell switch to only convert flac files and leave the rest alone?
> 
> I have mainly flac files but I do have some in mp3 as well
> 
> Hank
> 
> On 7/19/2021 5:52 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Switch from 
>> www.nchsoftware.com 
>> Is a good app for Mac and windows.
>> I have used both.
>> Be sure to download the free version.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2021, at 8:35 PM, The wolf >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello I am looking fore a program on the mac that can do the following
>>> 
>>> search a folder fore all .flac files
>>> 
>>> convert them to mp3 and then delete the .flac files
>>> 
>>> also need the program to save the mp3s in the same folder as the .flac 
>>> folders were in the same source
>>> 
>>> am trying to free up hard drive space and alot of my music is in .flac 
>>> format
>>> 
>>> is there a program on the mac that can do what I am wanting? if so what is 
>>> it?
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
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Re: looking fore a perticular program on the mac

[The wolf]

problem with that is I got over 900 folders with flac files in them


On 7/20/2021 3:15 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

One way is to

  * Use your right click menu to convert audio files directly from Finder

So select all the Flac files then use the open with menu.


On Jul 20, 2021, at 12:50 AM, The wolf > wrote:


how do you tell switch to only convert flac files and leave the rest 
alone?


I have mainly flac files but I do have some in mp3 as well

Hank

On 7/19/2021 5:52 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Switch from
www.nchsoftware.com 
Is a good app for Mac and windows.
I have used both.
Be sure to download the free version.


On Jul 19, 2021, at 8:35 PM, The wolf > wrote:


Hello I am looking fore a program on the mac that can do the following

search a folder fore all .flac files

convert them to mp3 and then delete the .flac files

also need the program to save the mp3s in the same folder as the 
.flac folders were in the same source


am trying to free up hard drive space and alot of my music is in 
.flac format


is there a program on the mac that can do what I am wanting? if so 
what is it?


thanks

Hank


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Re: iCloud Alias

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Hi,
my wife & I use the one iCloud account. If I uncheck those addresses wouldn’t 
that stop my Wife seeing her mail?
Max.

> On 20 Jul 2021, at 9:46 pm, Kliph  wrote:
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> You can go into settings, your appleID, iCloud, then to mail.  Uncheck the 
> addresses you don’t want to see or use.  Do the same under FaceTime and 
> messages.  My wife and I have done this for years and it seems to work.
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> Follow my Podcast Channel 
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> My Christian Show 
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> Follow the show you like, or the entire channel 
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> be entertained on demand!
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> you might be able to hack something with mail rules possibly with advanced 
>> imap  features but esensually when you use aliases it is all one account. 
>> The best thing to do would be to create a second iCloud account and use that 
>> with some of your aliases.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:41 PM, Agent086b >> > wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> I may have asked this on a list before, if so I can’t remember the answer.
>>> I have a couple of iCloud aliases that my wife & I use separately. I don’t 
>>> want all of these downloading on My Mac or iPhone.
>>> How can I have only one Alias download?
>>> Thanks for any advice.
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Agent086b]

Hi,
how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
Thanks for any tips.
Max. 

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, 
> in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive 
> failure.
> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
> 
> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to 
> proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> > wrote:
 
 the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
 tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
 
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Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc

[Brad Snyder]

Well, I store most of my data in iCloud and/or Dropbox.  For data that is on my 
Mac mini, such as my iTunes Music library, I copy my User/Home folder to an 
external USB drive, then import it onto the new Mac.
My Mac mini is my primary Mac.  I do not keep music or other archived data on 
my MacBook Pro.  When using the MacBook Pro, I rely on iCloud and music from 
cloud sharing.

- Brad -


On Jul 20, 2021, at 18:11, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi,
how do you transfer the files to the new Mac?
Thanks for any tips.
Max. 

> On 21 Jul 2021, at 5:08 am, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> In my opinion, the proper use of a Time Machine backup, is to restore a 
> backup made on an individual machine, to the machine that created the backup, 
> in the event that the machine that created the backup, suffers a hard drive 
> failure.
> Restoring a Time Machine backup to a different machine than the machine that 
> created the backup, may have unintended and devastating consequences, and 
> should not be done as a matter of practice. 
> 
> It is also my opinion that a new Mac should be setup as a new Mac from 
> scratch, and data and application should be moved to the new Mac, after the 
> new Mac has been setup as a new machine.  This may seem to be more time 
> consuming and less convenient, but it is a much more prudent and safer way to 
> proceed, as I am sure Donna will agree.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2021, at 13:39, skipper8...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think we should encourage the use of Apple's iCloud for backups and 
> recovery.
> Once I get the right adapters and become more comfortable with the Mac, I may 
> backup via time machine and just restore to that Mac only.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: getting new mac, best way to migrate data apps etc
> 
> I agree with Brad.  I wish that Apple had somehow let us know that migration 
> from Time Machine could be problematic, but even after everything, The M1 is 
> the future.  To eschew it just because you can’t migrate from Time Machine 
> would be misguided.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi”
>> I really wonder if this is a hardware and a software conflict?
>> Apple should have done more testing in my opinion.
>> Not sure if I really want to buy a Mac with m1 chip.
>> But maybe its worth it anyway.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 20 juli 2021 kl. 15:41 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Alia,
>>> 
>>> I know that using Migration assistant has worked for some people, but at 
>>> least a couple of us have ended up having to get replacement Macs because 
>>> of this issue.  In addition to the migration breaking Voiceover, when I 
>>> went to erase everything and reinstall the OS, I was unable to do so.  I 
>>> could erase the disk, but was not allowed to reinstall the OS, which pretty 
>>> much left me dead in the water.  When I googled it, I read that this is a 
>>> known issue with the M1 Macs.  So, even though not using Migration 
>>> Assistant is a royal pain, were I you, I wouldn’t chance it.
>>> Just my $.02,
>>> Donna
 On Jul 20, 2021, at 8:19 AM, alia robinson >>> > wrote:
 
 the subject says it all. what’s the best way. I want to use the migration 
 tool, but everyone is saying it breaks voiceover, ideas, thoughts? 
 
 alia
 
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