mac os big sur: voice over still bugging out on every second announcement

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi all,

I've gotten rid of all possible trackpad gestures that may interfere with any 
of the voice over speech attributes (rate, pitch, etc) but I'm still having to 
restart voice over after a little while on my system, at which point the local 
language english voice announces randomly before it gives place to alex (the 
default voice).

This behaviour is really starting to get on my nerves as I tend to do things 
quickly and between different apps. 

Just some background, i'm on a macbook 16 with 32 gb of ram and something like 
8 cores, 2 tb of ssd disc space.

I should not be having this kind of behaviour.

Is this because my local language is australian and I'm using the alex compact 
voice for all of my tasks?

What I don't get is that all of my voice over speech parameters are set to 
alex, all at same pitch, rate, volume etc. But when i restart voice over, the 
australian voice always turns up for a few announcements before disappearing. 
This is very bugged out and I want to squash this ASAP as every time I have to 
restart it interferes with my focus, and after 10-20 times of this happening in 
a day of work, I start to think of different ways of destroying the laptop.

Anyone know if theres another property or setting somewhere which actually has 
the local english voice conflicting with my voice over settings? For example, 
if I press right option t, the time is announceed, but with the australian 
voice. I want it to be alex, everywhere, no situation specific voice change, it 
seems to cause those conflicting announcement issues.


Thanks for any suggestions 

Yuma 

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Re: A Question About a Possible Voiceover Utility Setting

[Nebojsa Tasic]

Oh, that's what I had had many problems with before I figured it out.

On 5.4.2021. 21:00, Brad Snyder wrote:
I also much prefer the default setting of having VoiceOver speak the 
character that VoiceOver passes over.
I think this is a big advantage to using VoiceOver on a Mac, versus 
it’s Windows counterparts.  I find this to be much less confusing than 
the JAWS/NVDA standard of speaking the character to the right of the 
cursor.

I really wish this option existed in JAWS/NVDA and even narrator.

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On Apr 5, 2021, at 12:01, Brett Lewis > wrote:


Hi,
I think it is under verbosity/text.  You can change the announcement 
of text to be the character to the right of the caret.
Sadly I have found this to be unreliable. That is, it works some 
times and other times it announces the wrong character.

I found it too flakey to use anything but the default.
YMMV.
Brett


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:20 AM Mary-Jo Lord > wrote:


Hi,

I have frequently struggled with editing on the Mac. Part of my
struggle is that I use windows for my job and for editing that I do
for my writing group. As a result, when I attempt to edit on the Mac,
I find myself confused as to where the cursor needs to be when I
delete or add characters or words. I’ve listened to several tutorials
and can’t seem to get it right.

Over the weekend on his podcast, Jonathan Mohsen Mentioned that there
is a setting that allows Voiceover to mimic the way that windows
screen readers handle the placement of the cursor. I have looked
through the Voiceover utility and did not find a checkbox to make this
possible.

I did a search on Google and found this sentence in an old article by
the NFB. “If
you want a more Windows-like feel to Voiceover, you can now choose to
have it speak only what is to the right of the Voiceover cursor when
editing. This
is configurable within the VO control panel.” Is this still possible
and where would I find this setting? I’m running Catalina.

Thank you in advance for any help that anybody has to offer.

Mary-Jo

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Re: mac os big sur: voice over still bugging out on every second announcement

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi there,

I have recently had a similar issue—I have had to restart Voiceover every 5 - 
10 minutes as it stops announcing whatever I navigate to.

I had a session with their accessibility team and have submitted data from my 
computer which, as they tell me, has been very helpful in identifying the 
issue.  I am apparently not alone with this issue.

They are working on a fix to be released in an upcoming release—although they 
couldn’t give me an estimation.

Perhaps your issue will be resolved by the same code.

You may wish to reach out to accessibility and have them view your issue.  For 
me, we did a screen recording and then sent log files so they knew exactly what 
was going on.

Hth,
Jeff


> On Apr 6, 2021, at 6:09 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've gotten rid of all possible trackpad gestures that may interfere with any 
> of the voice over speech attributes (rate, pitch, etc) but I'm still having 
> to restart voice over after a little while on my system, at which point the 
> local language english voice announces randomly before it gives place to alex 
> (the default voice).
> 
> This behaviour is really starting to get on my nerves as I tend to do things 
> quickly and between different apps. 
> 
> Just some background, i'm on a macbook 16 with 32 gb of ram and something 
> like 8 cores, 2 tb of ssd disc space.
> 
> I should not be having this kind of behaviour.
> 
> Is this because my local language is australian and I'm using the alex 
> compact voice for all of my tasks?
> 
> What I don't get is that all of my voice over speech parameters are set to 
> alex, all at same pitch, rate, volume etc. But when i restart voice over, the 
> australian voice always turns up for a few announcements before disappearing. 
> This is very bugged out and I want to squash this ASAP as every time I have 
> to restart it interferes with my focus, and after 10-20 times of this 
> happening in a day of work, I start to think of different ways of destroying 
> the laptop.
> 
> Anyone know if theres another property or setting somewhere which actually 
> has the local english voice conflicting with my voice over settings? For 
> example, if I press right option t, the time is announceed, but with the 
> australian voice. I want it to be alex, everywhere, no situation specific 
> voice change, it seems to cause those conflicting announcement issues.
> 
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions 
> 
> Yuma 
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Firefox and Chrome

['Adrienne Chalmers' via MacVisionaries]

Hello

I bought a season ticket to a series of on-line plays. Unfortunately, the 
platform they chose to use is not compatible with Safari. I managed to access 
the actual performance, but not the pre and post-show elements.

I was told I would need to use either Firefox or Chrome in order to participate 
fully, so I am looking for advice on which is the least bother to use with 
Voiceover and for any tips on working with either browser.

TIA

Adrienne

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Re: Torrent clients.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Thanks for that but I managed to download the Debian iso’s and now I just have 
to get them on to  dv.
/A

> 5 apr. 2021 kl. 23:52 skrev Michael Marshall :
> 
> The only problem with a client like this is that it doesn't work with private 
> trackers, they heavily restrict what programs can work on there because many 
> of them do not play nice.
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>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 11:32 pm, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> Thanks Kliph for that one.
>> It just worked right out of the box.
>> /A
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>>> 5 apr. 2021 kl. 00:38 skrev kliph miller Sr >> >:
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>>> Have never used that one, WebTorrent works perfectly with VoiceOver
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 Hi!
 I am trying to download Debian on my Mac.
 The thing is that I need a treat client for this.
 I now try to use Transmission but for some reason isn’t the app visible to 
 voiceOver.
 Its not shown programs chooser but I can see that its loaded when I cmd 
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 In the Security and intigrity settings I have allowed it in the 
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VoiceOver randomly reading items on the Doc

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I am having a weird problem with VoiceOver on Big Sur.
While reading on web pages and in email, by pressing the down arrow to read 
line by line, I will hear
"Notes, 12 of 20.”
Then as I continue to press the down arrow, it will read the email for a few 
lines, then I may hear,
“Music, 14 of 20.”
Am I the only one with this problem?
I promise I’m not cracking up!
I hear it! Really  I do!!
I do I do really hear it!
LOL  😎👨🏾‍🦯
Thanks,
Rob

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Re: VoiceOver randomly reading items on the Doc

[Brad Snyder]

I’m thinking this could be due to one of 2 things.

1.  Your dock is not set to auto-hide.
or,
2.  Your dock may or may not be set to auto-hide, but your mouse arrow is 
situated at the bottom of the screen, and is hovering over the dock area.

Many non-sighted VoiceOver users are not aware that even though they are using 
VoiceOver, the mouse pointer is still active, and present somewhere on the 
screen.  Depending on the location of the mouse arrow, this can cause “hover” 
related issues.
I suggest that when you hear this random speech, you try dragging your finger 
on the trackpad, up and to the far left, in order to relocate the mouse pointer 
to a less problematic location on the screen and see if that helps.

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On Apr 6, 2021, at 10:11, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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Dear List,
I am having a weird problem with VoiceOver on Big Sur.
While reading on web pages and in email, by pressing the down arrow to read 
line by line, I will hear
"Notes, 12 of 20.”
Then as I continue to press the down arrow, it will read the email for a few 
lines, then I may hear,
“Music, 14 of 20.”
Am I the only one with this problem?
I promise I’m not cracking up!
I hear it! Really  I do!!
I do I do really hear it!
LOL  😎👨🏾‍🦯
Thanks,
Rob


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bluetooth on a Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

How do I pair something to my Mac using bluetooth?

thanks.
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RE: Bluetooth on a Mac

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Go to your Bluetooth settings in system settings, make sure it is turned on, 
then turn on the device you want pairing, I believe you then add the device, 
after the Mac searches and finds it, select the device and OK it.

Hope this gets you started in the right direction.

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How do I pair something to my Mac using bluetooth?

thanks.
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Re: bluetooth on a Mac

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi Lori, go to System Preferences, go to sound, interact with the table, and if 
you have any Bluetooth devices nearby, you will interact with the device to 
select the device. If it is one that you haven't cared before, go to System 
Preferences go to Bluetooth, find the device in the table, and click pair from 
within the table.

> On Apr 6, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> How do I pair something to my Mac using bluetooth?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Audio Hijack for IOS?

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
Does anyone know of a VO friendly IOS App which will capture audio played by 
Safari, somewhat like Audio Hijack on Mac/OS?
Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell

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Re: VoiceOver randomly reading items on the Doc

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Auto hide the doc was not checked.
I checked it. I hope this fix the problem.
Thanks,


> On Apr 6, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I’m thinking this could be due to one of 2 things.
> 
> 1.  Your dock is not set to auto-hide.
> or,
> 2.  Your dock may or may not be set to auto-hide, but your mouse arrow is 
> situated at the bottom of the screen, and is hovering over the dock area.
> 
> Many non-sighted VoiceOver users are not aware that even though they are 
> using VoiceOver, the mouse pointer is still active, and present somewhere on 
> the screen.  Depending on the location of the mouse arrow, this can cause 
> “hover” related issues.
> I suggest that when you hear this random speech, you try dragging your finger 
> on the trackpad, up and to the far left, in order to relocate the mouse 
> pointer to a less problematic location on the screen and see if that helps.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2021, at 10:11, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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> Dear List,
> I am having a weird problem with VoiceOver on Big Sur.
> While reading on web pages and in email, by pressing the down arrow to read 
> line by line, I will hear
> "Notes, 12 of 20.”
> Then as I continue to press the down arrow, it will read the email for a few 
> lines, then I may hear,
> “Music, 14 of 20.”
> Am I the only one with this problem?
> I promise I’m not cracking up!
> I hear it! Really  I do!!
> I do I do really hear it!
> LOL  😎👨🏾‍🦯
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
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Re: VoiceOver randomly reading items on the Doc

[Brad Snyder]

OK, hope that helps.
Keep in mind, that even with Auto-Hide enabled, if the mouse pointer is 
hovering near the bottom of the screen, this will cause the dock to appear, and 
VoiceOver may speak or highlight a dock item.  Same can be true for the menu 
bar, and/or any of the pull-down menus. 

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On Apr 6, 2021, at 15:05, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Auto hide the doc was not checked.
I checked it. I hope this fix the problem.
Thanks,


> On Apr 6, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I’m thinking this could be due to one of 2 things.
> 
> 1.  Your dock is not set to auto-hide.
> or,
> 2.  Your dock may or may not be set to auto-hide, but your mouse arrow is 
> situated at the bottom of the screen, and is hovering over the dock area.
> 
> Many non-sighted VoiceOver users are not aware that even though they are 
> using VoiceOver, the mouse pointer is still active, and present somewhere on 
> the screen.  Depending on the location of the mouse arrow, this can cause 
> “hover” related issues.
> I suggest that when you hear this random speech, you try dragging your finger 
> on the trackpad, up and to the far left, in order to relocate the mouse 
> pointer to a less problematic location on the screen and see if that helps.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Apr 6, 2021, at 10:11, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> I am having a weird problem with VoiceOver on Big Sur.
> While reading on web pages and in email, by pressing the down arrow to read 
> line by line, I will hear
> "Notes, 12 of 20.”
> Then as I continue to press the down arrow, it will read the email for a few 
> lines, then I may hear,
> “Music, 14 of 20.”
> Am I the only one with this problem?
> I promise I’m not cracking up!
> I hear it! Really  I do!!
> I do I do really hear it!
> LOL  😎👨🏾‍🦯
> Thanks,
> Rob
> 
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Re: bluetooth on a Mac

[Herbie Allen]

Do VO M twice which will bring up Menu Extras. From there you will find 
Bluetooth and VO Space to select it. 

Herbie

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> if you have any Bluetooth devices nearby, you will interact with the device 
> to select the device. If it is one that you haven't cared before, go to 
> System Preferences go to Bluetooth, find the device in the table, and click 
> pair from within the table.
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>> On Apr 6, 2021, at 2:27 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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>> How do I pair something to my Mac using bluetooth?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: bluetooth on a Mac

[Patrick Ford]

you can also use menu extras  and get to bluetooth in this quicker way -
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> On Apr 6, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> How do I pair something to my Mac using bluetooth?
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> thanks.
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Re: A Question About a Possible Voiceover Utility Setting

[Mary-Jo Lord]

Thank you all for your replies and comments. It would have probably been better 
if I learned the way Voiceover does it in the first place. It’s hard to undo 
over 29 years of another behavior though. I’ll give this setting a try and see 
if it is reliable.

Mary-Jo


> On Apr 5, 2021, at 1:01 PM, Brett Lewis  wrote:
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> Hi,
> I think it is under verbosity/text.  You can change the announcement of text 
> to be the character to the right of the caret.
> Sadly I have found this to be unreliable.  That is, it works some times and 
> other times it announces the wrong character. 
> I found it too flakey to use anything but the default.
> YMMV.
> Brett
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:20 AM Mary-Jo Lord  > wrote:
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> 
> I have frequently struggled with editing on the Mac. Part of my
> struggle is that I use windows for my job and for editing that I do
> for my writing group. As a result, when I attempt to edit on the Mac,
> I find myself confused as to where the cursor needs to be when I
> delete or add characters or words. I’ve listened to several tutorials
> and can’t seem to get it right.
> 
> Over the weekend on his podcast, Jonathan Mohsen Mentioned that there
> is a setting that allows Voiceover to mimic the way that windows
> screen readers handle the placement of the cursor. I have looked
> through the Voiceover utility and did not find a checkbox to make this
> possible.
> 
> I did a search on Google and found this sentence in an old article by
> the NFB. “If
> you want a more Windows-like feel to Voiceover, you can now choose to
> have it speak only what is to the right of the Voiceover cursor when
> editing. This
> is configurable within the VO control panel.” Is this still possible
> and where would I find this setting? I’m running Catalina.
> 
> Thank you in advance for any help that anybody has to offer.
> 
> Mary-Jo
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Re: Audio Hijack for IOS?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Helo Paul,
have you tried screen recording?
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 06.04.2021 um 21:41 schrieb Paul Hopewell :
> 
> Hello,
> Does anyone know of a VO friendly IOS App which will capture audio played by 
> Safari, somewhat like Audio Hijack on Mac/OS?
> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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RE: Bootable Bigsur Backup?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Paul,

I can assure you that Super Duper works just fine with Big Sur.

I use it every week and continue to make bootable backups from my internal 
drive to my external USB drive; and on occasion from one external drive to a 
second external drive.

Just be certain that you are using the latest version of Super Duper.

I suggest that you contact the developer of Super Duper as he responds rather 
quickly to inquiries.  I do not have his contact email, at hand, or I would 
include it in this reply.

Mark

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Subject: Bootable Bigsur Backup?

Hello,
Have any listers successfully created a Bigsure bootable backup on an external 
disk for a 2018 iMac? I used SuperDuper for this for many years on prior Mac/OS 
releases which have rescued my system on several occasions but this no longer 
works on Bigsur. I have looked at the Carbon Copy Cloner web site but this also 
does not seem to easily fix this problem. It seems that I have to first install 
Bigsur on my backup disk so that I can boot from it, but I am then unclear on 
whether I can then use SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner to add my latest user 
data to this external disk say every month or so. The problem seems to be that 
Apple do not offer an interface for these products to copy the now protected 
files to allow booting to an external disk.
Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell

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Re: bluetooth on a Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

thanks. when I went in from the menu extras, I couldn't find it but it showed 
up in the table when I went into system preferences.

> On Apr 6, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
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> Hi Lori, go to System Preferences, go to sound, interact with the table, and 
> if you have any Bluetooth devices nearby, you will interact with the device 
> to select the device. If it is one that you haven't cared before, go to 
> System Preferences go to Bluetooth, find the device in the table, and click 
> pair from within the table.
> 
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>> How do I pair something to my Mac using bluetooth?
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Re: bluetooth on a Mac

[Brad Snyder]

When you go to Bluetooth, in Menu Extras,, Bluetooth Preferences is at the 
bottom of the list.
Whether you go through Menu Extras, or through System Preferences, gets you to 
the same place.

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On Apr 6, 2021, at 19:48, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

thanks. when I went in from the menu extras, I couldn't find it but it showed 
up in the table when I went into system preferences.

> On Apr 6, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
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> Hi Lori, go to System Preferences, go to sound, interact with the table, and 
> if you have any Bluetooth devices nearby, you will interact with the device 
> to select the device. If it is one that you haven't cared before, go to 
> System Preferences go to Bluetooth, find the device in the table, and click 
> pair from within the table.
> 
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Re: Reading By Words The Last Spoken Utterance By VoiceOver?

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If you do the keyboard command VO + Shift + C, you can copy the last thing 
spoken by VoiceOver to the clipboard.  Then you could paste this into TextEdit, 
a new Mail message, or any other text editor of your choice.
Once pasted into a text editor, you can read it word by word, or character by 
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On Apr 5, 2021, at 12:11, Fazil  wrote:

Hi, Group.
Sometimes, especially in a dialog box, I am unable to understand the option 
spoken by VoiceOver, can I read this spoken sentence by words? I am not sure 
whether this spoken utterance is displayed on the screen. I would like to how 
it can be done if the last spoken utterance can be read by character/word.
Thanks!
 

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Safari on a Mac

[Lorie McCloud]

I've been having this problem fairly often where I'll be on a website, I'll 
have a button in focus, press vo-space on it and nothing happens. vo will say 
"press" and whatever the name of the button is but it doesn't doing anything. 
is there some setting I could change in Safari or anything else I could do 
about this? I'm running Cataline.

thanks.
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Re: Safari on a Mac

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Yes, you can first try enter. If that does not work, then you can tray 
something a little more involved. Do Command VO F5 followed by VO Shift space.

> On Apr 6, 2021, at 22:19, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I've been having this problem fairly often where I'll be on a website, I'll 
> have a button in focus, press vo-space on it and nothing happens. vo will say 
> "press" and whatever the name of the button is but it doesn't doing anything. 
> is there some setting I could change in Safari or anything else I could do 
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Re: Safari on a Mac

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You can use VO + CMD + F5, which will route the mouse to the VO cursor, then do 
VO + Shift + Spacebar, to simulate a mouse click.

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On Apr 6, 2021, at 22:19, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I've been having this problem fairly often where I'll be on a website, I'll 
have a button in focus, press vo-space on it and nothing happens. vo will say 
"press" and whatever the name of the button is but it doesn't doing anything. 
is there some setting I could change in Safari or anything else I could do 
about this? I'm running Cataline.

thanks.
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