Markup / markdown editor

[Jonathan Cohn]

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This app purports to be more powerful than others and is accessible:
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Re: Searching a specific folder for a specific file type on the mac

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks for this.

Kristeen


On Feb 15, 2020, at 10:55 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  In the folder, do a VO left which should land you on the Kind button. This 
groups the different file types. .zip would likely then be the last group in 
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On 2/15/2020 7:27 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> The problem I have is restricting it to a specific folder. If I use 
> command+spacebar, I can't do this, but it doesn't seem to work if I do the 
> command=option+f command either. How do you just get it to look in the fokder 
> you are in currently?
> Kristeen
> On Feb 15, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> If you type "zip" into the search field and then press down arrow a couple of 
> times you should find a menu item for zip archive. Also note that unlike Unix 
> and Google searches, apple meta data searches can accept partial words.
> HTH!
> Best wishes,
> Jonathan Cohn
>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 9:36 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> I have been trying to figure out a way to do this for awhile now, since they 
>> changed the search function. I want to search a specific folder and find all 
>> of the files that end with .zip. I can not make this happen. It seems like 
>> it should be possible. What am I not doing correctly
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> ?
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Re: Searching a specific folder for a specific file type on the mac

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
I was doing this with command-F while in a finder window. Once you have a 
selector picked, you should be able to find a radio button group to select 
entire computer, home directory or current folder.
Jonathan


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 15, 2020, at 10:27 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The problem I have is restricting it to a specific folder. If I use 
> command+spacebar, I can't do this, but it doesn't seem to work if I do the 
> command=option+f command either. How do you just get it to look in the fokder 
> you are in currently?
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
> On Feb 15, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> If you type "zip" into the search field and then press down arrow a couple of 
> times you should find a menu item for zip archive. Also note that unlike Unix 
> and Google searches, apple meta data searches can accept partial words. 
> HTH!
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 9:36 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>> 
>> I have been trying to figure out a way to do this for awhile now, since they 
>> changed the search function. I want to search a specific folder and find all 
>> of the files that end with .zip. I can not make this happen. It seems like 
>> it should be possible. What am I not doing correctly
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> ?
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Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi List,
Looking for  VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software.
What app is available that can work and be edited both on my mac book air 
running "Mojave" and the latest Ipad pro?
Ie the budget entries made on my lap top can also be   "edited" added to on the 
Ipad Or Iphone?)
Thanks
Chuck

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Re: Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?

[Brandon Olivares]

Hi,

You Need A Budget (YNAB) is the best app I’ve found out there. Some elements 
could definitely be more accessible but they’ve made huge leaps in that area.

But more importantly their budgeting philosophy is the most useful I’ve found.

Brandon

> On Feb 16, 2020, at 12:55 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
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> Hi List,
> Looking for  VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software.
> What app is available that can work and be edited both on my mac book air 
> running "Mojave" and the latest Ipad pro?
> Ie the budget entries made on my lap top can also be   "edited" added to on 
> the Ipad Or Iphone?)
> Thanks
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Re: Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Brandon,
   I didn't know I wanted something like this but just installed it and 
will see what it does. Thanks for the suggestion.


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On 2/16/2020 9:57 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

Hi,

You Need A Budget (YNAB) is the best app I’ve found out there. Some 
elements could definitely be more accessible but they’ve made huge leaps 
in that area.


But more importantly their budgeting philosophy is the most useful I’ve 
found.


Brandon

On Feb 16, 2020, at 12:55 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
> wrote:


Hi List,
Looking for  VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software.
What app is available that can work and be edited both on my mac book 
air running "Mojave" and the latest Ipad pro?
Ie the budget entries made on my lap top can also be   "edited" added 
to on the Ipad Or Iphone?)

Thanks
Chuck

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Re: Editing and comporessing videos

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You can do it all in QuickTime on your Mac, including sharing to YouTube.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 15, 2020, at 18:55, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
<⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com⁩> wrote:

Hi all:

I took 3 videos using my Iphone, and need to combine them together in 1 video 
and also compressing them to be able to upload to youtube, is there an 
accessible app to do this on mac?
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Re: Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Brandon,
If I understand you correctly, My wife can make a budget entry   on her Ipad 
pro then send it to me, & I could access her budget doc using my mac book air 
make additions and send it back to her? :)
Thanks
Chuck

On Feb 16, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You Need A Budget (YNAB) is the best app I’ve found out there. Some elements 
> could definitely be more accessible but they’ve made huge leaps in that area.
> 
> But more importantly their budgeting philosophy is the most useful I’ve found.
> 
> Brandon
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2020, at 12:55 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> Looking for  VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software.
>> What app is available that can work and be edited both on my mac book air 
>> running "Mojave" and the latest Ipad pro?
>> Ie the budget entries made on my lap top can also be   "edited" added to on 
>> the Ipad Or Iphone?)
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
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Re: Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?

[Michael Maslo]

I like home budget Sync. 

It it is fully accessible. I love it.

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Feb 16, 2020, at 11:57, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You Need A Budget (YNAB) is the best app I’ve found out there. Some elements 
> could definitely be more accessible but they’ve made huge leaps in that area.
> 
> But more importantly their budgeting philosophy is the most useful I’ve found.
> 
> Brandon
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2020, at 12:55 PM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> Looking for  VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software.
>> What app is available that can work and be edited both on my mac book air 
>> running "Mojave" and the latest Ipad pro?
>> Ie the budget entries made on my lap top can also be   "edited" added to on 
>> the Ipad Or Iphone?)
>> Thanks
>> Chuck
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Reading by sentence in books app

[Phil Halton]

As we know, the voice over command to read by sentence is VO plus command plus 
page up and page down. On the Apple Bluetooth keyboard, this means one must 
hold down with the left-hand the function, control, option, and command keys 
while pressing the up or down arrow keys with the right hand..
those are the four keys to the left of the spacebar and for those of us with 
carpal tunnel, this can become a crippling position after some time. my 
solution is to use a “chip clip“ to firmly hold these keys in place which 
allows me to then operate the arrow keys with a single finger of either hand, 
and this greatly relieves the stress I would otherwise experience in the left 
hand nerves. I imagine that a clipboard would also work as long as the jaw of 
the clip was at least as wide as those four keys, but I wonder if the intense 
pressure of a metal clipboard might not damage the keyboard itself. As it is, 
the plastic chip clip has enough force to hold the keys down but I don’t think 
enough to damage the keyboard.
by the way, if anybody doesn’t know what I mean by a “chip clip“, it’s 
basically a plastic wide clip used to reseal a bag of potato chips after it’s 
been opened. And they can be found at any grocery store. Anyway, that’s my 
solution for a problem that was threatening to keep me from being able to read 
in the Books app or on any app that requires use of a keyboard. I know there’s 
another fellow on this list with carpal tunnel and maybe he can get some ideas 
from this. Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Controlling books on OS X with voice commands

[Jonathan Cohn]

OK, It appears all quicknav alphanumeric functions do not work in Books.trying 
with Stops app, I get exactly the same behavior so for both of the Applications 
using the new interface allowing simultaneous development of IOS and MacOS app, 
QuickNav is completely useless on MacOS. Lets all report this to Apple! I was 
able to assign next/previous sentence to control-left and control-right track 
pad swipes and have them work quite well.  That is except on page turns where 
the entire page was read. One can fairly easily read by line with quick nav 
rotor set to navigation. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Feb 14, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> I tried assigning the read next sentence and read prior sentence commands to 
> single keys in the Quick NAV and keyboard commanders, but they don’t function 
> and text field of iBooks for some reason. So, I then rigged up a system of a 
> piece of wood and a 2 1/2 pound weight to hold down the function control 
> option and command keys and therefore allowing me to read down and up Buy 
> sentence  with a single key press on the up and down arrows. This will save a 
> lot of wear and tear on my left hand nerves.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I can’t test here..
>> 1. If buttons are properly labeled, one is supposed to be able to click on 
>> them with VOice Commander by just saying the appropriate phrase.
>> 
>> That being said, the Books application is one of those that is essentially a 
>> IOS application wrapped in MacOS clothes, so I have no idea if this will 
>> cause some issues. Specifically, I know that Books has no Apple Automation 
>> integration and can therefore only be marginally controlled with AppleScript.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> Is it possible to control the reading of a book in the Books app via voice 
>>> commands, rather than keystroke commands. for example, saying next 
>>> sentence, or prior sentence etc.?
>>> Reading sentence by sentence on a apple Bluetooth keyboard is killing my 
>>> hands, enflaming a carpal tunnel  Problem. I’m running the latest Catalina 
>>> on a 2013 MacBook Air.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please be as specific as possible as to the how, when and where of it.
>>> Thanks
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Re: Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   That would be HomeBudget with Sync? No space between Home Budget.

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On 2/16/2020 11:52 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:

home budget Sync.


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Re: Reading by sentence in books app

[J. Cyr]

I changed my vo key to caps lock and I'm so happy I did, just pressing the one 
key makes things so much simpler especially when working those multi key combos.

Joy

On Feb 16, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

As we know, the voice over command to read by sentence is VO plus command plus 
page up and page down. On the Apple Bluetooth keyboard, this means one must 
hold down with the left-hand the function, control, option, and command keys 
while pressing the up or down arrow keys with the right hand..
those are the four keys to the left of the spacebar and for those of us with 
carpal tunnel, this can become a crippling position after some time. my 
solution is to use a “chip clip“ to firmly hold these keys in place which 
allows me to then operate the arrow keys with a single finger of either hand, 
and this greatly relieves the stress I would otherwise experience in the left 
hand nerves. I imagine that a clipboard would also work as long as the jaw of 
the clip was at least as wide as those four keys, but I wonder if the intense 
pressure of a metal clipboard might not damage the keyboard itself. As it is, 
the plastic chip clip has enough force to hold the keys down but I don’t think 
enough to damage the keyboard.
by the way, if anybody doesn’t know what I mean by a “chip clip“, it’s 
basically a plastic wide clip used to reseal a bag of potato chips after it’s 
been opened. And they can be found at any grocery store. Anyway, that’s my 
solution for a problem that was threatening to keep me from being able to read 
in the Books app or on any app that requires use of a keyboard. I know there’s 
another fellow on this list with carpal tunnel and maybe he can get some ideas 
from this. Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Reading by sentence in books app

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Have you considered the Keyboard commander in the VO Utility.  For example, you 
could do the following:

1.  Open the Vo Utility with VO-f8
2.  Press cmd-8 to bring focus to the Commanders category
3.  VO-right to the Keyboard tab and VO-space on it.
4.  VO-right to the table and interact with it.

Navigate through the list to get and idea of the currently used letters.  Also 
note that, by default, the Keyboard Commander uses the right option key.  So, 
by holding down the right option key and any of those letter listed, you'll get 
the corresponding command.  We can also add our own here.  So, just for fun, I 
tried it and it worked great.  Some books may have issues, but most should be 
fine.  Thus, let's create a few.

5.  Stop interacting with the table and VO-right to the Add button then 
VO-space to press it.

VO will automatically jump back inside the table ready for you to enter a 
letter and associated command.

6.  Type the letter "j", then VO-right to the menu, down to Text, then right 
and down to Previous Sentence.

YOu've now set it so that you can press the right option key and the letter j 
to read the previous sentence.  I'd follow the same steps in #5 and #6 to set 
"k" for current sentence, and "l" for next sentence.  Similarly, you can set a 
group of letters, such as "u, i and o" for previous, current and next 
paragraph.  The letter "u" is already assigned to the "unread Mail count, but I 
never use that one and therefore removed it before creating the paragraph 
commanders.

I'm wondering if this would help your situation some.  As Jonathan mentioned, 
you could also set TrackPad commander gestures to some of these as well if the 
Keyboard commander is still not working well for you.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 16, 2020, at 13:15, Phil Halton  wrote:

As we know, the voice over command to read by sentence is VO plus command plus 
page up and page down. On the Apple Bluetooth keyboard, this means one must 
hold down with the left-hand the function, control, option, and command keys 
while pressing the up or down arrow keys with the right hand..
those are the four keys to the left of the spacebar and for those of us with 
carpal tunnel, this can become a crippling position after some time. my 
solution is to use a “chip clip“ to firmly hold these keys in place which 
allows me to then operate the arrow keys with a single finger of either hand, 
and this greatly relieves the stress I would otherwise experience in the left 
hand nerves. I imagine that a clipboard would also work as long as the jaw of 
the clip was at least as wide as those four keys, but I wonder if the intense 
pressure of a metal clipboard might not damage the keyboard itself. As it is, 
the plastic chip clip has enough force to hold the keys down but I don’t think 
enough to damage the keyboard.
by the way, if anybody doesn’t know what I mean by a “chip clip“, it’s 
basically a plastic wide clip used to reseal a bag of potato chips after it’s 
been opened. And they can be found at any grocery store. Anyway, that’s my 
solution for a problem that was threatening to keep me from being able to read 
in the Books app or on any app that requires use of a keyboard. I know there’s 
another fellow on this list with carpal tunnel and maybe he can get some ideas 
from this. Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Looking for VoiceOver accessible "budgeting" software?

[Michael Maslo]

Yes sorry  

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Feb 16, 2020, at 14:34, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> On 2/16/2020 11:52 AM, Michael Maslo wrote:
>> home budget Sync.
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Re: Mac start sound

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a 
chime.
But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don’t need it.
/A

> 14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :
> 
> Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be 
> delighted to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To whom 
> should such things be addressed to be most effective?
> Joy
> 
> 
> On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure that the 
> chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  These commands 
> were for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as well as for 
> the Macs in the transition time between when there was and as they were 
> removing the startup chime.
> 
> We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that be, 
> but the noise fell on deaf ears.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> try enter this command:
> 
> sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
> Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:
> 
> sudo nvram BootAudio=%00
> 
> T.N
> 
> 
>> 14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, Jürgen Fleger > >:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start 
>> sound on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing command 
>> in Terminal and restart the Mac:
>> 
>> sudo nvram StartupMute=%00
>> 
>> So far it didn’t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I doing 
>> something wrong?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
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Re: Mac start sound

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi,
I can respect your experience.  I, speaking personally, will not by a mac 
that does not have  the start up sound.  Is not it amazing how individual 
preferences makes computing really special?
Frankly, that sound is so much a part of pop culture, I am wondering how 
the decision was made.  what problem is solved by removing the sound for 
everyone, that  was not solved by allowing individuals to remove it if 
desired?

 Kare



On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Anders Holmberg wrote:


Hi!
Infact to me its no problem to hear when the compter starts even without a 
chime.
But i guess i am the only that has disabled the sound as i really don???t need 
it.
/A


14 feb. 2020 kl. 18:12 skrev J. Cyr :

Tim, would additional noise to the powers that be help?  If so I'd be delighted 
to add my voice to the pleas for some sound at start up!  To whom should such 
things be addressed to be most effective?
Joy


On Feb 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

On newer Macs, I doubt that any of these will work.  I'm pretty sure that the 
chime generator is not even a part of the machine anymore.  These commands were 
for older Macs for removing the chime and regaining it as well as for the Macs 
in the transition time between when there was and as they were removing the 
startup chime.

We're just SOL as far as I'm aware.  I've made noise to the powers that be, but 
the noise fell on deaf ears.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 14, 2020, at 09:27, Tibor Niesner mailto:tibornies...@seznam.cz>> wrote:

Hi,

try enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%01
Sound will be activated. For deactivate enter this command:

sudo nvram BootAudio=%00

T.N



14. 2. 2020 v 16:56, J??rgen Fleger mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>:

Hi,

several times I read on the internet of a way to get back the Mac start sound 
on the newer Macs. The discription says to enter the folloing command in 
Terminal and restart the Mac:

sudo nvram StartupMute=%00

So far it didn???t work for me. Are you aware of a different way or am I doing 
something wrong?

Thanks and all the best
J??rgen

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Re: Reading by sentence in books app

[Phil Halton]

Thanks Tim, that’s very good information and very well stated. I tried setting 
up commander keys in both quick NAV and keyboard commanders and they wouldn’t 
function in the books app on my particular book. I assumed they wouldn’t work 
at all in any book. However it was my first go at setting up a commander 
keystroke and I may have screwed it up somewhat. So, I’m going to try it again 
using your directions. Thanks for the info.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 16, 2020, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Have you considered the Keyboard commander in the VO Utility.  For example, 
> you could do the following:
> 
> 1.  Open the Vo Utility with VO-f8
> 2.  Press cmd-8 to bring focus to the Commanders category
> 3.  VO-right to the Keyboard tab and VO-space on it.
> 4.  VO-right to the table and interact with it.
> 
> Navigate through the list to get and idea of the currently used letters.  
> Also note that, by default, the Keyboard Commander uses the right option key. 
>  So, by holding down the right option key and any of those letter listed, 
> you'll get the corresponding command.  We can also add our own here.  So, 
> just for fun, I tried it and it worked great.  Some books may have issues, 
> but most should be fine.  Thus, let's create a few.
> 
> 5.  Stop interacting with the table and VO-right to the Add button then 
> VO-space to press it.
> 
> VO will automatically jump back inside the table ready for you to enter a 
> letter and associated command.
> 
> 6.  Type the letter "j", then VO-right to the menu, down to Text, then right 
> and down to Previous Sentence.
> 
> YOu've now set it so that you can press the right option key and the letter j 
> to read the previous sentence.  I'd follow the same steps in #5 and #6 to set 
> "k" for current sentence, and "l" for next sentence.  Similarly, you can set 
> a group of letters, such as "u, i and o" for previous, current and next 
> paragraph.  The letter "u" is already assigned to the "unread Mail count, but 
> I never use that one and therefore removed it before creating the paragraph 
> commanders.
> 
> I'm wondering if this would help your situation some.  As Jonathan mentioned, 
> you could also set TrackPad commander gestures to some of these as well if 
> the Keyboard commander is still not working well for you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 16, 2020, at 13:15, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> As we know, the voice over command to read by sentence is VO plus command 
> plus page up and page down. On the Apple Bluetooth keyboard, this means one 
> must hold down with the left-hand the function, control, option, and command 
> keys while pressing the up or down arrow keys with the right hand..
> those are the four keys to the left of the spacebar and for those of us with 
> carpal tunnel, this can become a crippling position after some time. my 
> solution is to use a “chip clip“ to firmly hold these keys in place which 
> allows me to then operate the arrow keys with a single finger of either hand, 
> and this greatly relieves the stress I would otherwise experience in the left 
> hand nerves. I imagine that a clipboard would also work as long as the jaw of 
> the clip was at least as wide as those four keys, but I wonder if the intense 
> pressure of a metal clipboard might not damage the keyboard itself. As it is, 
> the plastic chip clip has enough force to hold the keys down but I don’t 
> think enough to damage the keyboard.
> by the way, if anybody doesn’t know what I mean by a “chip clip“, it’s 
> basically a plastic wide clip used to reseal a bag of potato chips after it’s 
> been opened. And they can be found at any grocery store. Anyway, that’s my 
> solution for a problem that was threatening to keep me from being able to 
> read in the Books app or on any app that requires use of a keyboard. I know 
> there’s another fellow on this list with carpal tunnel and maybe he can get 
> some ideas from this. Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Controlling books on OS X with voice commands

[Phil Halton]

That’s very interesting Jonathan. I know I couldn’t get quick nap commander or 
keyboard command or to work on the particular book I am trying to read. I know 
I can read line by line but that really destroys the flow of the material I’m 
trying to read. Line by line is not the same as sentence by sentence when 
you’re trying to get a feel for the material. This is why I shy away from books 
on iOS, because all you can do is read the entire page at a time or a line by 
line mode by swiping down through the text.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 16, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> OK, It appears all quicknav alphanumeric functions do not work in 
> Books.trying with Stops app, I get exactly the same behavior so for both of 
> the Applications using the new interface allowing simultaneous development of 
> IOS and MacOS app, QuickNav is completely useless on MacOS. Lets all report 
> this to Apple! I was able to assign next/previous sentence to control-left 
> and control-right track pad swipes and have them work quite well.  That is 
> except on page turns where the entire page was read. One can fairly easily 
> read by line with quick nav rotor set to navigation. 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried assigning the read next sentence and read prior sentence commands to 
>> single keys in the Quick NAV and keyboard commanders, but they don’t 
>> function and text field of iBooks for some reason. So, I then rigged up a 
>> system of a piece of wood and a 2 1/2 pound weight to hold down the function 
>> control option and command keys and therefore allowing me to read down and 
>> up Buy sentence  with a single key press on the up and down arrows. This 
>> will save a lot of wear and tear on my left hand nerves.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I can’t test here..
>>> 1. If buttons are properly labeled, one is supposed to be able to click on 
>>> them with VOice Commander by just saying the appropriate phrase.
>>> 
>>> That being said, the Books application is one of those that is essentially 
>>> a IOS application wrapped in MacOS clothes, so I have no idea if this will 
>>> cause some issues. Specifically, I know that Books has no Apple Automation 
>>> integration and can therefore only be marginally controlled with 
>>> AppleScript.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 13, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
 
 
 
 Sent from my IPhone
 Is it possible to control the reading of a book in the Books app via voice 
 commands, rather than keystroke commands. for example, saying next 
 sentence, or prior sentence etc.?
 Reading sentence by sentence on a apple Bluetooth keyboard is killing my 
 hands, enflaming a carpal tunnel  Problem. I’m running the latest Catalina 
 on a 2013 MacBook Air.
 
 
 Please be as specific as possible as to the how, when and where of it.
 Thanks
 
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Re: Reading by sentence in books app

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Phi.,

Yes, it can sometimes depend on the book whether or not it works sentence by 
sentence at all.  Some of the books published by Apple themselves, don't work 
so well that way, but most novels I've tried seem to work fine.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 16, 2020, at 19:03, Phil Halton  wrote:

Thanks Tim, that’s very good information and very well stated. I tried setting 
up commander keys in both quick NAV and keyboard commanders and they wouldn’t 
function in the books app on my particular book. I assumed they wouldn’t work 
at all in any book. However it was my first go at setting up a commander 
keystroke and I may have screwed it up somewhat. So, I’m going to try it again 
using your directions. Thanks for the info.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 16, 2020, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Have you considered the Keyboard commander in the VO Utility.  For example, 
> you could do the following:
> 
> 1.  Open the Vo Utility with VO-f8
> 2.  Press cmd-8 to bring focus to the Commanders category
> 3.  VO-right to the Keyboard tab and VO-space on it.
> 4.  VO-right to the table and interact with it.
> 
> Navigate through the list to get and idea of the currently used letters.  
> Also note that, by default, the Keyboard Commander uses the right option key. 
>  So, by holding down the right option key and any of those letter listed, 
> you'll get the corresponding command.  We can also add our own here.  So, 
> just for fun, I tried it and it worked great.  Some books may have issues, 
> but most should be fine.  Thus, let's create a few.
> 
> 5.  Stop interacting with the table and VO-right to the Add button then 
> VO-space to press it.
> 
> VO will automatically jump back inside the table ready for you to enter a 
> letter and associated command.
> 
> 6.  Type the letter "j", then VO-right to the menu, down to Text, then right 
> and down to Previous Sentence.
> 
> YOu've now set it so that you can press the right option key and the letter j 
> to read the previous sentence.  I'd follow the same steps in #5 and #6 to set 
> "k" for current sentence, and "l" for next sentence.  Similarly, you can set 
> a group of letters, such as "u, i and o" for previous, current and next 
> paragraph.  The letter "u" is already assigned to the "unread Mail count, but 
> I never use that one and therefore removed it before creating the paragraph 
> commanders.
> 
> I'm wondering if this would help your situation some.  As Jonathan mentioned, 
> you could also set TrackPad commander gestures to some of these as well if 
> the Keyboard commander is still not working well for you.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 16, 2020, at 13:15, Phil Halton  > wrote:
> 
> As we know, the voice over command to read by sentence is VO plus command 
> plus page up and page down. On the Apple Bluetooth keyboard, this means one 
> must hold down with the left-hand the function, control, option, and command 
> keys while pressing the up or down arrow keys with the right hand..
> those are the four keys to the left of the spacebar and for those of us with 
> carpal tunnel, this can become a crippling position after some time. my 
> solution is to use a “chip clip“ to firmly hold these keys in place which 
> allows me to then operate the arrow keys with a single finger of either hand, 
> and this greatly relieves the stress I would otherwise experience in the left 
> hand nerves. I imagine that a clipboard would also work as long as the jaw of 
> the clip was at least as wide as those four keys, but I wonder if the intense 
> pressure of a metal clipboard might not damage the keyboard itself. As it is, 
> the plastic chip clip has enough force to hold the keys down but I don’t 
> think enough to damage the keyboard.
> by the way, if anybody doesn’t know what I mean by a “chip clip“, it’s 
> basically a plastic wide clip used to reseal a bag of potato chips after it’s 
> been opened. And they can be found at any grocery store. Anyway, that’s my 
> solution for a problem that was threatening to keep me from being able to 
> read in the Books app or on any app that requires use of a keyboard. I know 
> there’s another fellow on this list with carpal tunnel and maybe he can get 
> some ideas from this. Sent from my IPhone
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RE: Comment: Apple is wrong in the staff bag search case, and should fix it today, 9 to 5 Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Well that's what you otta call trust in your staff.

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Subject: Comment: Apple is wrong in the staff bag search case, and should fix 
it today, 9 to 5 Mac

Comment: Apple is wrong in the staff bag search case, and should fix it today, 
9 to 5 Mac Friday, February 14, 2020
 
We learned yesterday that the California Supreme Court ruled against Apple in a 
bag search case: deciding whether or not the company has to pay retail workers 
for the time spent for their bags to be checked at the end of their shifts.
Staff had complained that they not only had to remain in the store for the time 
taken by the search itself but could be waiting around up to 45 minutes in the 
queue for the search - all of which time was unpaid.
This case dates back to 2013, with another case predating this class action 
suit, and the thing I really can't believe is that Apple has been fighting it 
for almost seven years.
It seems self-evident that Apple is in the wrong here. Indeed, back in 2015 CEO 
Tim Cook seemed to have trouble believing it was even happening.
Papers from a failed class action suit by Apple Store staff reveal that at 
least two retail employees complained directly to CEO Tim Cook about the policy 
of subjecting them to anti-theft bag checks before they left the store. Tim 
Cook forwarded the complaints to senior retail and HR executives, asking "Is 
this true?".
The company's VP of human resources said at the time that 'there has to be a 
more intelligent and respectful' approach than expecting staff to submit to 
searches in their own time.
As the court has now correctly ruled, if a company requires an employee to 
remain on its premises for any reason, then that time is by definition company 
time and not personal time.
Chief Justice Tani Cantil-Sakauye explained that Apple employees "are clearly 
under Apple's control while awaiting, and during, the exit searches."
"The exit searches burden Apple's employees by preventing them from leaving the 
premises with their personal belongings until they undergo an exit search-a 
process that can take five to 20 minutes to complete-and by compelling them to 
take specific movements and actions during the search,"
the unanimous court said.
Now, I can understand how the policy may have arisen in the first place. It 
might seem on paper that a search would take 30 seconds after they clock off.
But, equally, it must have become very quickly apparent to store managers that 
the time taken is in practice far longer than this. That information should 
have been communicated up the chain, and the policy should have been changed in 
response.
Even if we forgive the inevitable bureaucracy of a large organization not 
realizing at a senior level what was happening on the ground, the first lawsuit 
should absolutely have prompted an investigation - and that investigation 
should have resulted in a rapid change of policy.
It defies belief that Apple would not only fail to act on the first bag search 
case, but to have been fighting this one all the way. Especially as anecdotal 
evidence suggests that it hasn't actually carried out the searches for years 
now.
This isn't a company wide practice. I worked there for 5 years and never had my 
bag checked once. Even with access to BOH
- Benedict Bandersnatch (@_oscg) February 14, 2020 Cook should immediately 
accept the ruling, apologize to staff and announce that Apple will issue 
back-pay to all staff for the time spent on searches.
Of course, it won't be realistic to calculate that individually for each member 
of staff, but an average should be taken and staff paid on that basis.

The bag search case has now become a major PR problem for the company. When 
that happens, a rapid response is key. I think Cook's announcement should 
happen today.

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