Hi Phi., Yes, it can sometimes depend on the book whether or not it works sentence by sentence at all. Some of the books published by Apple themselves, don't work so well that way, but most novels I've tried seem to work fine.
Later... Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Feb 16, 2020, at 19:03, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Tim, that’s very good information and very well stated. I tried setting up commander keys in both quick NAV and keyboard commanders and they wouldn’t function in the books app on my particular book. I assumed they wouldn’t work at all in any book. However it was my first go at setting up a commander keystroke and I may have screwed it up somewhat. So, I’m going to try it again using your directions. Thanks for the info. Sent from my IPhone > On Feb 16, 2020, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <Macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > Have you considered the Keyboard commander in the VO Utility. For example, > you could do the following: > > 1. Open the Vo Utility with VO-f8 > 2. Press cmd-8 to bring focus to the Commanders category > 3. VO-right to the Keyboard tab and VO-space on it. > 4. VO-right to the table and interact with it. > > Navigate through the list to get and idea of the currently used letters. > Also note that, by default, the Keyboard Commander uses the right option key. > So, by holding down the right option key and any of those letter listed, > you'll get the corresponding command. We can also add our own here. So, > just for fun, I tried it and it worked great. Some books may have issues, > but most should be fine. Thus, let's create a few. > > 5. Stop interacting with the table and VO-right to the Add button then > VO-space to press it. > > VO will automatically jump back inside the table ready for you to enter a > letter and associated command. > > 6. Type the letter "j", then VO-right to the menu, down to Text, then right > and down to Previous Sentence. > > YOu've now set it so that you can press the right option key and the letter j > to read the previous sentence. I'd follow the same steps in #5 and #6 to set > "k" for current sentence, and "l" for next sentence. Similarly, you can set > a group of letters, such as "u, i and o" for previous, current and next > paragraph. The letter "u" is already assigned to the "unread Mail count, but > I never use that one and therefore removed it before creating the paragraph > commanders. > > I'm wondering if this would help your situation some. As Jonathan mentioned, > you could also set TrackPad commander gestures to some of these as well if > the Keyboard commander is still not working well for you. > > HTH. > > Later... > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Feb 16, 2020, at 13:15, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com > <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > As we know, the voice over command to read by sentence is VO plus command > plus page up and page down. On the Apple Bluetooth keyboard, this means one > must hold down with the left-hand the function, control, option, and command > keys while pressing the up or down arrow keys with the right hand.. > those are the four keys to the left of the spacebar and for those of us with > carpal tunnel, this can become a crippling position after some time. my > solution is to use a “chip clip“ to firmly hold these keys in place which > allows me to then operate the arrow keys with a single finger of either hand, > and this greatly relieves the stress I would otherwise experience in the left > hand nerves. I imagine that a clipboard would also work as long as the jaw of > the clip was at least as wide as those four keys, but I wonder if the intense > pressure of a metal clipboard might not damage the keyboard itself. As it is, > the plastic chip clip has enough force to hold the keys down but I don’t > think enough to damage the keyboard. > by the way, if anybody doesn’t know what I mean by a “chip clip“, it’s > basically a plastic wide clip used to reseal a bag of potato chips after it’s > been opened. And they can be found at any grocery store. Anyway, that’s my > solution for a problem that was threatening to keep me from being able to > read in the Books app or on any app that requires use of a keyboard. I know > there’s another fellow on this list with carpal tunnel and maybe he can get > some ideas from this. 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