RE: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi mary,

 I think I saw this reply from Tim also.

 The newer 4th gen tvs don't have the optical connection.

 This is why my sonos play bar connects to my Samsung tv and then my apple tv 
also but using HDMI connects to the Samsung tv also.

I then had to disable the Samsung tv's speakers to ensure the sound came 
through the sonos systems.

I know my apple tv 3rd gen had optical input / output.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2019 2:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar

Hi Simon,
Well, it seems to me that we tried the sound bar that my husband currently 
uses, which is one that exhibits the problem, with an optical cable. But I 
could be wrong. That probably would’ve been with an older Apple TV. I have the 
one just before the 4K these days, and I don’t even know if it has an optical 
connection. Seems to me I remember that it doesn’t. But I will have to check 
into it.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> I've got a Sonos Play Bar,
> It's a few years old now and I don't have any issues with the 
> voiceover voice being cut off from my apple tv, This may well be due 
> to my sound bar being connected to my tv using an optical cable and my 
> apple tv connected to my Samsung tv with HDMI
> 
> That way everything comes through the tv first and as I've switched the tv 
> speakers off the sonos play bar and surrounds play the related audio.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:48 PM
> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar
> 
> Hi all,
> In the past, I have had a lot of trouble with sound bars not playing nicely 
> with voiceover, in that, when you were looking around, the first several 
> syllables of voiceover audio would go missing. If sound was playing through 
> the sound bar already, such as music or TV program, there was not a problem. 
> I did finally find a sound bar from LG a few years ago which solved this 
> problem. But I am considering an upgrade, and don’t want to go through the 
> hassle again. So I’m curious what quality sound bars are folks using these 
> days with Apple TV where a voiceover works as it should, that is no audio is 
> cut off, even when no other sounds are playing?
> Mary
> 
> 
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RE: New router or not?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anders,

No worries,

 I really do like the netgear nighthawks,
 A great range of roducts now.

And very easy to use especially with the mobile app.

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Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2019 6:18 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: New router or not?

Hi!
Thanks for your great help Simon.
Yeah, i need to get a better router.
I’ve looked att asus routers and will also look to see if i can find one of the 
netgear ones.
/A

> 13 juni 2019 kl. 12:09 skrev Simon Fogarty :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> 
> I'm not really an apple router fan but I'm not saying they are bad or 
> otherwise, May be slightly out dated,
> 
> In saying that I used an airport express before getting my netgear 
> nighthawk router I find it's interface great to use and accessible 
> from my iPhone or iPad through the nighthawk app Very accessible with 
> voiceover Oh and windows if you need it.
> 
> They have a number of different devices, Mine is an R8000 I think it 
> is, I've kind of just ignored the model now as it's just sitting and working 
> as it needs to.
> 
> 4 antenna
> 4 ethernet pors on the back and a USB port on the front for connection of god 
> knows what.
> I've never used the USB for anything,
> 
> The device also has OpenVPN built in and very simple to use / setup 
> for anyone that wishs to have a secure log in and connection back to 
> your own home via VPN
> 
> As I said, there is a range of nighthawk devices and the ones I looked 
> at can do giga bit wired and ac wifi I rate them as a device to buy but 
> really it's up to you.
> 
> If you had the money and it's avaible in swedan then I'd say look at 
> the R9600  I think it is which was the top of the line device when I 
> was looking, It is well over spec'd for new Zealand with WiFi AD And things 
> that probably only a business would use.
> 
> Hope that helps and good luck.
> 
> 
> Simon
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:21 AM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: New router or not?
> 
> Hi!
> We’re getting fibre connection at 1000 Mbit here in my apartment and i want 
> to make use of that as much as possible.
> So i will be connecting my airport extreme to the new connection.
> However i am wondering if the airport extreme is out of date as a good router 
> and if i should get me a new one instead?
> If i get a new router then support for OpenVpn is a must.
> So i ask if someone here can give me some advice?
> Thanks in advance.
> Note that the interface for a new router of course has to be VoiceOver 
> friendly.
> The airport utility is one of the best i’ve seen so far.
> I know that there  are routers with Unix interfaces, but any tips are welcome.
> 
> Thanks.
> /A
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RE: New router or not?

[Simon Fogarty]

No reason why you can't use it as an access point in another part of the house 
to extend your range,

 You should have no issues connecting it via a network cable from one of the 
ports on the back.

-Original Message-
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2019 8:20 AM
To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: New router or not?

If I were to choose a non-apple router like Netgear Nighthawk, can I put my 
existing airport extreeme latest version to some use? Or does it mean selling 
it on?

Andrew
> On Jun 13, 2019, at 8:47 PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> I still use a Time Capsule, but in bridged mode for exclusive use as a 
> wireless access point, with my own Linux box as router doing PPPoE to a VDSL 
> modem. This overcomes the chief limitation of the device, which is 
> translation speed beyond about 300 MB/s. My bandwidth does not yet exceed 80 
> down 20 up yet, though, so this is not needed for simple Ethernet connections 
> and if I had cable I would still be using TC exclusively.  Wireless coverage 
> in my flat isn’t the issue: the TC works great even at 5 GHz and in fact 
> disabling the 2.4 GHz band actually makes things better where I am, in 
> London, where the 2.4 GHz band is completely and totally choked.
> 
> My biggest gripe with current consumer stuff is it’s all pretty dire in terms 
> of flexibility and security.  Running your own box overcomes that but it’s 
> not for the faint of heart.  However, even I will eventually need a new 
> access point, and in that case I will probably just go with the Netgear 
> Nighthawk.  My only gripe about that is it doesn’t let you use multiple VLANs 
> when it is in bridge mode, so you can’t run your own custom guest network or 
> hotspot, which is something I’ve always wanted to do but probably never will, 
> LOL.
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Re: Using My iPad, More and More

[KliphnShari Miller]

Yes, I helped teach a specific class on this just this spring.  I haven’t 
turned on my Mac mini in almost 4 months, I probably should just to update apps 
and Mojave.  But my iPad Pro 11 inch gets the job done for me, the reading of 
email on the split screen is not bad at all.  You just change your router to 
containers as another member mentioned, and everything is smooth sailing.  I am 
even able to connect to my 2 servers, one at home, and one at my daughters 
home.  And there are a lot of new great features coming to iPad OS that will 
make it even easier to navigate. 

> On Jun 13, 2019, at 12:17 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> Well, I've had my iPad Pro, 10.5 with the Apple Smart keyboard for a couple
> of months now.
> 
> At first, I found it somewhat difficult to allocate certain tasks to it that
> could not be done, or in some cases, more easily done on my beloved iPhone 8
> Plus.
> 
> However, as time has passed I have discovered that I prefer performing some
> tasks on iPad more than on iPhone.  
> 
> For example, I definitely enjoy using Twitter, Facebook and other social
> media such as Yelp on iPad, especially in conjunction with the Apple Smart
> keyboard.  Also, the TV Guide Mobile app is fabulous on iPad.  
> 
> Apps such as Skype work well on iPad and I love the larger display as it
> brings video calls up close and personal.  
> 
> While I continue to listen to audio book, primarily on iPhone, I enjoy
> reading eBooks on iPad with the larger display.  
> 
> The battery power is so much better on iPad than on iPhone that I delegate
> more battery draining tasks to iPad.  
> 
> My point is that while there is some cross-over between iPad and iPhone, I
> am definitely finding a groove for both in my digital online world.
> 
> Are there some tasks you prefer on iPad rather than iPhone?
> 
> I look forward to all replies.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Everyday tasks that few people do anymore because of technology, USA Today

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Fun article, Mark.  Thanks for sharing.
Donna


> On Jun 13, 2019, at 7:47 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Since many of the items on this list involve iOS, I thought I'd post it here
> for all to enjoy.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Everyday tasks that few people do anymore because of technology, USA Today
> 
> Phone book, what's a phone book? 20 everyday tasks that nobody does anymore
> 
> Kim Komando  |  Special to USA TODAY Updated 6 hours ago 
> USA TODAY
> Daily necessities are vanishing one by one, thanks to new and efficient
> technology. Stamps, maps and cookbooks still exist, but we hardly ever need
> them. Why place a personals ad when you can just "swipe left?"
> The standard electronics, gear and ways of yesteryear have vanished as if it
> was never invented at all. As old formats disappear, that leaves us with the
> task of what to do with our memories. 
> Even services that seem new are vanishing in the name of progress; Apple is
> killing off iTunes, for example. and here's what it means to your music and
> movies.
> Here are some rituals that are no longer required in many households. If
> you're 40 years or older, you'll probably smile with nostalgia. Share this
> list on social media. Others will enjoy this trip down memory lane too!
> 
> 1.
> Memorize a phone number
> Pop quiz: How many phone numbers do you know by heart? Some people don't
> even know their spouse's numbers. How times have changed. Now, you tell your
> smart assistant to call someone in your contacts, or you touch their name on
> your phone.
> The earliest cellphones required you to transfer your entire directory by
> hand, from the old unit to the new one; now, with cloud technology, your
> contacts are automatically downloaded.
> What happens if you lose your phone, say, at a Disney theme park? This
> couple got separated and turned to Facebook for help.
> 
> 2.
> Use a phone book to find a company to do work around your house
> Generation Z may not even know what "Yellow Pages" refers to. They may not
> have ever seen a phone book.
> Online consumer services like Angie's List and Yelp have made finding
> service people easy, plus you can read other users' ratings. One of the
> newer ways to find ultra-local services is Nextdoor, which has a special
> section for "recommendations," along with crime watches and other local
> info.
> 
> 3.
> Sell your car with a cardboard sign stuck on the windshield
> Unless you're selling your vehicle to someone you know and trust, these
> transactions can get sticky and even a little dangerous, especially with all
> the trolls. Craigslist started more than 20 years ago, and it's still going
> strong, although it, too, still suffers from trolls and weirdos. If you want
> to sell your car, here are three sites that may be better than Craigslist.
> 
> 4.
> Figure out math in your head
> Few of us ever carried calculators with us to the grocery store. In
> contrast, pretty much everyone with a smartphone uses it to do basic
> calculations, no matter where or when you need it. In fact, you don't even
> have to jab numbers anymore, physical or virtual: Tell Siri to solve a math
> problem, or command Alexa to do that pesky long division for you, along with
> countless other handy skills.
> 
> 5.
> Call and ask a family member, "Where are you?"
> Find My Friends changed the family-safety landscape by geographically
> connecting iPhone users. This app was a life-saver for parents with kids,
> adults taking care of aging parents, and countless others. Phone Tracker is
> a free app for iPhone and Android-powered phones that not only tracks
> location but also messaging and web activity.
> 
> 6.
> Tell time by hands on a clock
> Like cursive writing, analog clocks may be teetering on extinction. Few
> people with smartphones bother with watches anymore, unless they're fashion
> statements or fitness trackers. With digital clocks dominating our computers
> and hardware, those 12-numeral timepieces may become pure novelties.
> Even your trusted alarm clock has received a tech makeover. Click or tap for
> three apps that monitor your sleep cycle, and wake you up when you'll feel
> the most rested.
> 
> 7.
> Make photo albums
> It's hard to imagine printing an image at a one-hour photo store, taking
> back your packet of 4x6 snapshots, and then meticulously pasting them into a
> faux-leather photo album. Given the ease of digital photography, and the
> innumerable images you could produce on a regular day, you'd fill up entire
> shelves in no time.
> Photo-sharing services like Flickr and Amazon Cloud and have existed for
> some years, and now some apps will help you organize your photos and
> keepsakes, some of them from well-known companies like CVS and Walgreens.
> 
> 8.
> Have a CD or record collection
> Wasn't it cool back in the day to walk into a shabby-chic apartment and see
> those shelves of CDs? Wasn't it a joy to flip through boxes of vinyl
> records? Napster was the first sign that mus

Re: Best way to get gmail and apple mail to work together in the best way possible.

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I've primarily just left the defaults as is with success.  I have also simply 
left Archived messages going to the All Mail folder.  Just make sure that you 
have iMap enabled in the Gmail settings on your web interface.  Regarding 
expunging, as far as I know, that is the automatic elimination of deleted items 
after a specific amount of time.  I haven't properly read up on it, so anyone 
is welcome to correct me if I'm mistaken.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2019, at 15:15, matthew dyer  wrote:

Hi all.

I am just wondering what the best way to get mail to work offisionetly with 
gmail.  I have things set for the default behavior with the only exception 
being that archived messages go to an archive folder.  I use several  devices 
most of which use imap.  Is there anything ddifferent either on the gmail side 
or in mail itself I should change.  I see in gmail settings an option to turn 
off auto expunge.  What is the difference between having this on or off?  If 
there is anything else I should do, I would like to know.  Thanks.

Matthew


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Re: iTunes reports busy in Sierra

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It sounds like there is something going on with the library database.  If the 
problem is still happening, let me know and I'll try to find the method for 
repairing the database file.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2019, at 14:23, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

For a few days now, if I launch iTunes, it opens but it reports constantly busy 
and I have to force quit it.  I am still on Sierra.  What can have gone wrong, 
and how can I fix it?  Is there & where a plist I could try and discard?

Andrew

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Re: Everyday tasks that few people do anymore because of technology, USA Today

[Pete De Vasto]

Hi Mark and all,

Yes. This is a wonderful article. I wanted to read the original article because 
it sounded like there were links to more detail about some of the things 
mentioned. Hover, when I tried to open it from this e-mail, USA Today could not 
find it. I discovered, and this has happened to me many times too, that the 
link didn’t get copied correctly into the e-mail. I took a couple of minutes to 
repair it, and wanted to share the one that will work in case anyone else might 
be interested:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/13/everyday-tasks-few-people-do-anymore-because-technology/1438758001/

Enjoy!
Pete De Vasto

> On Jun 13, 2019, at 5:47 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Since many of the items on this list involve iOS, I thought I'd post it here
> for all to enjoy.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Everyday tasks that few people do anymore because of technology, USA Today
> 
> Phone book, what's a phone book? 20 everyday tasks that nobody does anymore
> 
> Kim Komando  |  Special to USA TODAY Updated 6 hours ago 
> USA TODAY
> Daily necessities are vanishing one by one, thanks to new and efficient
> technology. Stamps, maps and cookbooks still exist, but we hardly ever need
> them. Why place a personals ad when you can just "swipe left?"
> The standard electronics, gear and ways of yesteryear have vanished as if it
> was never invented at all. As old formats disappear, that leaves us with the
> task of what to do with our memories. 
> Even services that seem new are vanishing in the name of progress; Apple is
> killing off iTunes, for example. and here's what it means to your music and
> movies.
> Here are some rituals that are no longer required in many households. If
> you're 40 years or older, you'll probably smile with nostalgia. Share this
> list on social media. Others will enjoy this trip down memory lane too!
> 
> 1.
> Memorize a phone number
> Pop quiz: How many phone numbers do you know by heart? Some people don't
> even know their spouse's numbers. How times have changed. Now, you tell your
> smart assistant to call someone in your contacts, or you touch their name on
> your phone.
> The earliest cellphones required you to transfer your entire directory by
> hand, from the old unit to the new one; now, with cloud technology, your
> contacts are automatically downloaded.
> What happens if you lose your phone, say, at a Disney theme park? This
> couple got separated and turned to Facebook for help.
> 
> 2.
> Use a phone book to find a company to do work around your house
> Generation Z may not even know what "Yellow Pages" refers to. They may not
> have ever seen a phone book.
> Online consumer services like Angie's List and Yelp have made finding
> service people easy, plus you can read other users' ratings. One of the
> newer ways to find ultra-local services is Nextdoor, which has a special
> section for "recommendations," along with crime watches and other local
> info.
> 
> 3.
> Sell your car with a cardboard sign stuck on the windshield
> Unless you're selling your vehicle to someone you know and trust, these
> transactions can get sticky and even a little dangerous, especially with all
> the trolls. Craigslist started more than 20 years ago, and it's still going
> strong, although it, too, still suffers from trolls and weirdos. If you want
> to sell your car, here are three sites that may be better than Craigslist.
> 
> 4.
> Figure out math in your head
> Few of us ever carried calculators with us to the grocery store. In
> contrast, pretty much everyone with a smartphone uses it to do basic
> calculations, no matter where or when you need it. In fact, you don't even
> have to jab numbers anymore, physical or virtual: Tell Siri to solve a math
> problem, or command Alexa to do that pesky long division for you, along with
> countless other handy skills.
> 
> 5.
> Call and ask a family member, "Where are you?"
> Find My Friends changed the family-safety landscape by geographically
> connecting iPhone users. This app was a life-saver for parents with kids,
> adults taking care of aging parents, and countless others. Phone Tracker is
> a free app for iPhone and Android-powered phones that not only tracks
> location but also messaging and web activity.
> 
> 6.
> Tell time by hands on a clock
> Like cursive writing, analog clocks may be teetering on extinction. Few
> people with smartphones bother with watches anymore, unless they're fashion
> statements or fitness trackers. With digital clocks dominating our computers
> and hardware, those 12-numeral timepieces may become pure novelties.
> Even your trusted alarm clock has received a tech makeover. Click or tap for
> three apps that monitor your sleep cycle, and wake you up when you'll feel
> the most rested.
> 
> 7.
> Make photo albums
> It's hard to imagine printing an image at a one-hour photo store, taking
> back your packet of 4x6 snapshots, and then meticulously pasting them into a
> faux-leather photo album. Given

reformatting 2009 iMac drive

[joseph big]

hello. how to reformat a 2009 iMac hard disc and install high sierra since 
Maharvi will not install on this one?
thank you in advance

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Time for warning messages.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
There’s a setting in VoiceOver utility called if i direct translate from 
Swedish show time for warning messages.
This can be checked or not and if checked you can set this from 1 to 6 seconds.
However i do want this to be turned off sometimes as it can mess up my reading.
But when turned off the braille does not show if i set something in the rotor, 
for example headings or links or doesn’t show if i set speech on or off.
So i want to have a shortcut set on my braille display to toggle this on or off.
BUt when i try to find this i can’t do that in Voiceover utility.
Do i first need to set this as a shortcut on my keyboard and then set it on the 
braille display?
I hope you can understand what i  want to do?
Thanks.
/A

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Re: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon,
I have decided on a poke sound bar, from Amazon for 400 bucks. It had really 
good reviews, including one by a blind person who said they were using an Apple 
TV with it. It is the Polk audio magnifi max. It comes with a nice healthy 
sized sub, so I am looking forward to a significant upgrade especially as 
concerns movie viewing.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2019, at 2:54 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi mary,
> 
> I think I saw this reply from Tim also.
> 
> The newer 4th gen tvs don't have the optical connection.
> 
> This is why my sonos play bar connects to my Samsung tv and then my apple tv 
> also but using HDMI connects to the Samsung tv also.
> 
> I then had to disable the Samsung tv's speakers to ensure the sound came 
> through the sonos systems.
> 
> I know my apple tv 3rd gen had optical input / output.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 14 June 2019 2:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar
> 
> Hi Simon,
> Well, it seems to me that we tried the sound bar that my husband currently 
> uses, which is one that exhibits the problem, with an optical cable. But I 
> could be wrong. That probably would’ve been with an older Apple TV. I have 
> the one just before the 4K these days, and I don’t even know if it has an 
> optical connection. Seems to me I remember that it doesn’t. But I will have 
> to check into it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> I've got a Sonos Play Bar,
>> It's a few years old now and I don't have any issues with the 
>> voiceover voice being cut off from my apple tv, This may well be due 
>> to my sound bar being connected to my tv using an optical cable and my 
>> apple tv connected to my Samsung tv with HDMI
>> 
>> That way everything comes through the tv first and as I've switched the tv 
>> speakers off the sonos play bar and surrounds play the related audio.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:48 PM
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> In the past, I have had a lot of trouble with sound bars not playing nicely 
>> with voiceover, in that, when you were looking around, the first several 
>> syllables of voiceover audio would go missing. If sound was playing through 
>> the sound bar already, such as music or TV program, there was not a problem. 
>> I did finally find a sound bar from LG a few years ago which solved this 
>> problem. But I am considering an upgrade, and don’t want to go through the 
>> hassle again. So I’m curious what quality sound bars are folks using these 
>> days with Apple TV where a voiceover works as it should, that is no audio is 
>> cut off, even when no other sounds are playing?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Do you already have the High Sierra installer?  Or, does it already have High 
Sierra on it?  I ask this because it is slightly challenging to download the 
High Sierra Installer app now that Mojave is the most current MacOS.  It is 
doable, but not as easy as just going to the App Store.  Beyond all this, the 
process is difficult to explain without knowing if you're hoping to do an 
upgrade to your existing MacOS, or a complete clean install of High Sierra.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2019, at 10:12, joseph big  wrote:

hello. how to reformat a 2009 iMac hard disc and install high sierra since 
Maharvi will not install on this one?
thank you in advance

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Re: Changing Folder Names in iOS 12

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Sorry.  Took me a bit to get around to looking at this one.  When you say that 
you're changing the label of an unopened folder, what exactly are you doing?  
Are you using the VO labelling feature, or something else?  I've never modified 
the name of a folder from the outside before, only while in the folder have I 
ever messed with the title of the folder.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2019, at 12:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  I noticed what may be a bug. If I change the label of an unopened folder, it 
dies not change the heading when the folder is opened. If I change THAT label, 
it does not overwrite what was there and it also adds the label to all other 
folders when they are opened? Clear as mud right.

  Folder A (unopened), edit its label and change it to G. Open the folder and 
it still reads A. Edit that label to G. Now it reads G, A. And any other folder 
when opened reads G, (folder name). Any ideas?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

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Reading BRF files on iOS with braille display

[Ibraheem Fakir]

Hi group,
As the subject suggests, is this possible? If so, which app do you use to open 
the BRf  file?
Thanks!
Ibraheem

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Re: Best way to get gmail and apple mail to work together in the best way possible.

[Matthew Dyer]

Thanks tim,


I just went this morning and empted my trash folder and there were over 
1300 message which were cleared.  I did not see a setting to change the 
lankth of time to empty the trash.  Rite now it is set at the default of 
30 days.  I will have to look again and see if there is a way to change 
this.



Matthew



On 6/14/19 10:00 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

I've primarily just left the defaults as is with success.  I have also 
simply left Archived messages going to the All Mail folder.  Just make 
sure that you have iMap enabled in the Gmail settings on your web 
interface.  Regarding expunging, as far as I know, that is the 
automatic elimination of deleted items after a specific amount of 
time.  I haven't properly read up on it, so anyone is welcome to 
correct me if I'm mistaken.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 13, 2019, at 15:15, matthew dyer 
> wrote:


Hi all.

I am just wondering what the best way to get mail to work offisionetly 
with gmail.  I have things set for the default behavior with the only 
exception being that archived messages go to an archive folder.  I use 
several  devices most of which use imap.  Is there anything ddifferent 
either on the gmail side or in mail itself I should change.  I see in 
gmail settings an option to turn off auto expunge.  What is the 
difference between having this on or off?  If there is anything else I 
should do, I would like to know.  Thanks.


Matthew


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Re: iPadOS

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Thanks, Anders, I'll have to play with this a bit.  Mine is the Everst-D, which 
is a pretty old model, so it may have less options.  but I'll check it out.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 9, 2019, at 8:52 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna!
> Actually if its the everest  you can set both lines per page and chars per 
> line.
> There are tons of buttons on the front of the everest and if its the everest 
> 4 there should be a menu button and from there you cah select a lot of 
> settings.
> Let me know how you get along and i can try to help you further.
> /A
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>> 5 juni 2019 kl. 14:24 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> 
>> I've had an index Everest for years, and I never knew they did this.  How 
>> does it work?  Can you configure parameters such as line length, formatting 
>> etc?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2019, at 6:21 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I guess this depends on what embosser you have.
>>> THe Index braille embossers do translate at their own without software.
>>> So the brailetranslation is built-in.
>>> Therefor i can use it without duxbury on the Mac.
>>> But it needs a driver and i guess and hope that Index Braille will create 
>>> one for the IpadOs.
>>> /A
>>> 
 5 juni 2019 kl. 02:52 skrev Erik Heil :
 
 Hello there
 Well certainly, The new iPad iOS does have a lot to offer new iPads. 
 However, dance your question, I believe there are two ways to get this 
 done, i.e. and boss braille. However, work to do this is ongoing. I’m not 
 sure, but if iPadOS runs in implementation of CUPs, that shouldn’t be very 
 hard to do. If you have a custom PPD filter written for the printer, this 
 actually can be done. However, printers now do you have Wi-Fi support, so 
 this in fact it may be easier. What I’m worried about is the translation 
 of braille documents. And I’m not sure as to what capabilities the iPadOS 
 actually has to handle that.
 
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Re: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

[joseph]

Hi
It has high sierra installed and I wish to do a clean install
Best


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> Do you already have the High Sierra installer?  Or, does it already have High 
> Sierra on it?  I ask this because it is slightly challenging to download the 
> High Sierra Installer app now that Mojave is the most current MacOS.  It is 
> doable, but not as easy as just going to the App Store.  Beyond all this, the 
> process is difficult to explain without knowing if you're hoping to do an 
> upgrade to your existing MacOS, or a complete clean install of High Sierra.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
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> On Jun 14, 2019, at 10:12, joseph big  wrote:
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> hello. how to reformat a 2009 iMac hard disc and install high sierra since 
> Maharvi will not install on this one?
> thank you in advance
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RE: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

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Hi,

Tim might think differently to me on this,

2 ways I would suggest are either you have a USB flash drive setup to be a 
bootable installer with High sierra on it.
Not that complicated so log as you have an 8gb usb flash drive and obviously 
the actual install media.

Or possibly the simpler one  is turn the machine off,

Hold down the command and R keys then while holding them down power on the 
machine and hold those keys for approx. 30 seconds or a little longer with the 
2009 machine. Then let thos keys go and give the machine time to start up to 
the mac os utilities

Note I should have said this will need a wi fi connection to get internet 
access.

Then once up and running turn voiceover on and use disk utility to eraise the 
drive
And then the install mac os option to install which is from the net and will be 
possibly slow depending on what type of connection you have.

Quick and simple I know but there is slightly more but it’s more time related 
than anything else.
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Subject: Re: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

Hi
It has high sierra installed and I wish to do a clean install
Best

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Jun 2019, at 8:10 pm, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hi,

Do you already have the High Sierra installer?  Or, does it already have High 
Sierra on it?  I ask this because it is slightly challenging to download the 
High Sierra Installer app now that Mojave is the most current MacOS.  It is 
doable, but not as easy as just going to the App Store.  Beyond all this, the 
process is difficult to explain without knowing if you're hoping to do an 
upgrade to your existing MacOS, or a complete clean install of High Sierra.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2019, at 10:12, joseph big 
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hello. how to reformat a 2009 iMac hard disc and install high sierra since 
Maharvi will not install on this one?
thank you in advance

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Re: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

OK, the easiest then.

1.  Backup anything important if you can't easily get it from iCloud, Google or 
wherever you do Cloud things.
2.  Restart you're Mac.
3.  As the startup chime sounds, hold down the cmd and r keys simultaneously 
for about five or six seconds.
4.  Patiently wait for about 3 minutes, then press cmd-f5 to turn VO on.  If VO 
doesn't come on, wait another minute then try again.
5.  Choose your Language if that window appears.  If it does not, then you 
should be at the MacOS Utilities screen.
6.  Click on Disk Utility then Click on Disk Utility in the table, then click 
on Continue.
7.  Once Disk Utility opens, select Macintosh HD from the table of connected 
drives.
8.  Stop interacting with that table, then interact with the ToolBar and click 
on Erase.
9.  Let it do its thing.  When it's done, click on the Done button.
10.  Quit Disk Utility by pressing cmd-q.
11. In the MacOS Utility, select Re-Install MacOS from within the table of 
choices, then click Continue.
12.  Follow the prompts through some Continues and Agrees.
13.  Select Macintosh HD if it is not already selected.
14.  Click Install.

For the most part, that's it.  Let it do it's thing.  If it restarts itself, 
wait a few minutes, then press cmd-f5 to turn VO back on.  If VO doesn't start 
talking, wait a while longer and try again.  Once it's all done, you should 
hear a person say something about "MacOS 10 containing a built in screen reader 
called VoiceOver".  You can then turn VO on and enter the necessary info to 
setup your Mac.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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Jamf Certified Associate
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On Jun 14, 2019, at 15:19, joseph  wrote:

Hi
It has high sierra installed and I wish to do a clean install
Best


Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Jun 2019, at 8:10 pm, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi,
> 
> Do you already have the High Sierra installer?  Or, does it already have High 
> Sierra on it?  I ask this because it is slightly challenging to download the 
> High Sierra Installer app now that Mojave is the most current MacOS.  It is 
> doable, but not as easy as just going to the App Store.  Beyond all this, the 
> process is difficult to explain without knowing if you're hoping to do an 
> upgrade to your existing MacOS, or a complete clean install of High Sierra.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
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> Jamf Certified Associate
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> 
> On Jun 14, 2019, at 10:12, joseph big  > wrote:
> 
> hello. how to reformat a 2009 iMac hard disc and install high sierra since 
> Maharvi will not install on this one?
> thank you in advance
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Re: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Simon's method is quick and dirty.  I forgot to mention the part about 
connecting to WiFi.  I'm used to doing this with an ethernet connection on 
those older iMacs, so forgot to mention that part.  Ethernet connections are 
better for this, but if you were connected to WiFi before you started this 
process, you should be OK, as it should remain connected to that network.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2019, at 16:19, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi,
 
Tim might think differently to me on this,
 
2 ways I would suggest are either you have a USB flash drive setup to be a 
bootable installer with High sierra on it.
Not that complicated so log as you have an 8gb usb flash drive and obviously 
the actual install media.
 
Or possibly the simpler one  is turn the machine off,
 
Hold down the command and R keys then while holding them down power on the 
machine and hold those keys for approx. 30 seconds or a little longer with the 
2009 machine. Then let thos keys go and give the machine time to start up to 
the mac os utilities 
 
Note I should have said this will need a wi fi connection to get internet 
access.
 
Then once up and running turn voiceover on and use disk utility to eraise the 
drive
And then the install mac os option to install which is from the net and will be 
possibly slow depending on what type of connection you have.
 
Quick and simple I know but there is slightly more but it’s more time related 
than anything else.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2019 9:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reformatting 2009 iMac drive
 
Hi
It has high sierra installed and I wish to do a clean install
Best

 
Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Jun 2019, at 8:10 pm, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,
 
Do you already have the High Sierra installer?  Or, does it already have High 
Sierra on it?  I ask this because it is slightly challenging to download the 
High Sierra Installer app now that Mojave is the most current MacOS.  It is 
doable, but not as easy as just going to the App Store.  Beyond all this, the 
process is difficult to explain without knowing if you're hoping to do an 
upgrade to your existing MacOS, or a complete clean install of High Sierra.
 
Later...
 

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Jun 14, 2019, at 10:12, joseph big mailto:joseph.bi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
hello. how to reformat a 2009 iMac hard disc and install high sierra since 
Maharvi will not install on this one?
thank you in advance

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Re: Changing Folder Names in iOS 12

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Tim,
   It was never clear to me if I should do this with folder open or 
unopened. I used the double tap and hold and have also used my braille 
display to do it.


   In this case, I ended up moving the apps to a new folder to fix it.

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On 6/14/2019 12:49 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Sorry.  Took me a bit to get around to looking at this one.  When you 
say that you're changing the label of an unopened folder, what exactly 
are you doing?  Are you using the VO labelling feature, or something 
else?  I've never modified the name of a folder from the outside before, 
only while in the folder have I ever messed with the title of the folder.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 11, 2019, at 12:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   I noticed what may be a bug. If I change the label of an unopened 
folder, it dies not change the heading when the folder is opened. If I 
change THAT label, it does not overwrite what was there and it also adds 
the label to all other folders when they are opened? Clear as mud right.


   Folder A (unopened), edit its label and change it to G. Open the 
folder and it still reads A. Edit that label to G. Now it reads G, A. 
And any other folder when opened reads G, (folder name). Any ideas?


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RE: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

[Simon Fogarty]

And  just noticing your comment Tim
I forgot to mention ethernet which would be both faster and more stable


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2019 10:24 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

Hi,

Simon's method is quick and dirty.  I forgot to mention the part about 
connecting to WiFi.  I'm used to doing this with an ethernet connection on 
those older iMacs, so forgot to mention that part.  Ethernet connections are 
better for this, but if you were connected to WiFi before you started this 
process, you should be OK, as it should remain connected to that network.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2019, at 16:19, Simon Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Tim might think differently to me on this,

2 ways I would suggest are either you have a USB flash drive setup to be a 
bootable installer with High sierra on it.
Not that complicated so log as you have an 8gb usb flash drive and obviously 
the actual install media.

Or possibly the simpler one  is turn the machine off,

Hold down the command and R keys then while holding them down power on the 
machine and hold those keys for approx. 30 seconds or a little longer with the 
2009 machine. Then let thos keys go and give the machine time to start up to 
the mac os utilities

Note I should have said this will need a wi fi connection to get internet 
access.

Then once up and running turn voiceover on and use disk utility to eraise the 
drive
And then the install mac os option to install which is from the net and will be 
possibly slow depending on what type of connection you have.

Quick and simple I know but there is slightly more but it’s more time related 
than anything else.
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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of joseph
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2019 9:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reformatting 2009 iMac drive

Hi
It has high sierra installed and I wish to do a clean install
Best

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Jun 2019, at 8:10 pm, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hi,

Do you already have the High Sierra installer?  Or, does it already have High 
Sierra on it?  I ask this because it is slightly challenging to download the 
High Sierra Installer app now that Mojave is the most current MacOS.  It is 
doable, but not as easy as just going to the App Store.  Beyond all this, the 
process is difficult to explain without knowing if you're hoping to do an 
upgrade to your existing MacOS, or a complete clean install of High Sierra.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 14, 2019, at 10:12, joseph big 
mailto:joseph.bi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

hello. how to reformat a 2009 iMac hard disc and install high sierra since 
Maharvi will not install on this one?
thank you in advance

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RE: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mary,

I have't heard of polk audio in years and I mean 20 years or so.

They use to be very good products I can only assume they still are.

Good luck, hope it works as you require it.

Simon F


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Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, 15 June 2019 5:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar

Hi Simon,
I have decided on a poke sound bar, from Amazon for 400 bucks. It had really 
good reviews, including one by a blind person who said they were using an Apple 
TV with it. It is the Polk audio magnifi max. It comes with a nice healthy 
sized sub, so I am looking forward to a significant upgrade especially as 
concerns movie viewing.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2019, at 2:54 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi mary,
> 
> I think I saw this reply from Tim also.
> 
> The newer 4th gen tvs don't have the optical connection.
> 
> This is why my sonos play bar connects to my Samsung tv and then my apple tv 
> also but using HDMI connects to the Samsung tv also.
> 
> I then had to disable the Samsung tv's speakers to ensure the sound came 
> through the sonos systems.
> 
> I know my apple tv 3rd gen had optical input / output.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Friday, 14 June 2019 2:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar
> 
> Hi Simon,
> Well, it seems to me that we tried the sound bar that my husband currently 
> uses, which is one that exhibits the problem, with an optical cable. But I 
> could be wrong. That probably would’ve been with an older Apple TV. I have 
> the one just before the 4K these days, and I don’t even know if it has an 
> optical connection. Seems to me I remember that it doesn’t. But I will have 
> to check into it.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> I've got a Sonos Play Bar,
>> It's a few years old now and I don't have any issues with the 
>> voiceover voice being cut off from my apple tv, This may well be due 
>> to my sound bar being connected to my tv using an optical cable and 
>> my apple tv connected to my Samsung tv with HDMI
>> 
>> That way everything comes through the tv first and as I've switched the tv 
>> speakers off the sonos play bar and surrounds play the related audio.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:48 PM
>> To: viph...@googlegroups.com; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Question for Apple TV users regarding sound bar
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> In the past, I have had a lot of trouble with sound bars not playing nicely 
>> with voiceover, in that, when you were looking around, the first several 
>> syllables of voiceover audio would go missing. If sound was playing through 
>> the sound bar already, such as music or TV program, there was not a problem. 
>> I did finally find a sound bar from LG a few years ago which solved this 
>> problem. But I am considering an upgrade, and don’t want to go through the 
>> hassle again. So I’m curious what quality sound bars are folks using these 
>> days with Apple TV where a voiceover works as it should, that is no audio is 
>> cut off, even when no other sounds are playing?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Requesting Information on Checkwriting Apps

[Mary Jo Partyka]

I have been a long-time user of the Talking Checkbook app but the app isn’t 
really working well any more.  The program is actually obsolete.  Are there any 
apps which would enableme to write out checks?


Mary Jo Partyka
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