RE: New tvOS VoiceOver bugs?

[Simon Fogarty]

I only updated my A TV 4 lastnight and I've not noticed anything so far with 
issues however I've only watched a couple of hours of tv and was waiting til 
the weekend to check out movies and music features.



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On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2017 3:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org
Subject: New tvOS VoiceOver bugs?

Hi all,
I saw a note over on Apple Viss where somebody was talking about some problems 
they were having after their Apple TV upgraded to the latest version of the OS. 
Specifically, they mentioned that some lists with in the Netflix app we're not 
reading the title anymore, but just VoiceOver saying one of 16, two of 16 etc. 
they also commented on difficulty navigating but didn't give specifics. I have 
not been using my Apple TV all that much lately, because I've been quite taken 
with the Amazon fire TV stick. But with the new feature that lets you read 
subtitles in foreign language movies, I was all hot to trot to update. Now 
however, I am wondering if this isn't going to bring more problems. What are 
others experiences here?


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RE: Bug in Messages app iOS11

[Simon Fogarty]

I must have missed this,

In which app are you looking at here?

If in messages I have been able to go in to edit and then double tap each 
message I wish to delete and then at the bottom I can click the delete button 
and the messages I wanted deleted are gone, no issue so far with this option.

I’m still using the GM on a 7+

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Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2017 9:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bug in Messages app iOS11

So I have heard that the workaround for the message issue is to delete 
individual messages. Somebody said use the edit function for that. OK, so on 
the message list screen, you do have that edit function. But if you have two or 
three messages in a conversation, you only see the top one. How do you get 
granularity to delete individual ones?
Mary

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On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Matthew Dierckens 
mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com>> wrote:
Hi, Apple is aware of this issue but they were not sure when it would be fixed. 
This has been a bug since a few beta's ago.

God bless.
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On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:54, Nickus de Vos 
mailto:bigboy...@gmail.com>> wrote:

...hi all
I just came across a bug in the messages app, please test and email Apple 
accessibility if you also experience it.
In the messages list when turning the rotor to actions to delete a message,  
typing delete does nothing, the message does not get deleted. I tested this 
with a couple of messages, normal text Messages on my iPhone 7

Nickus

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RE: mac newbie

[Simon Fogarty]

Have you tried using the shift key rather than the caps lock



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Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2017 11:46 AM
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Subject: Re: mac newbie

hello no i just can’t use the caps lock key when entering a password in the app 
store so can’t update my mac from my old version of el captain
On Sep 20, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Which version of MacOS are you using? The latest versions have VoiceOVer take 
control of the caps lock key much like Windows screen  readers have done for 
several years. If double tapping the CapsLock causes it to work then that is 
what you are encountering. This can be disabled in VoiceOVer Utility.



On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:38 AM wayne17a 
mailto:wayne...@gmail.com>> wrote:
ƒhello  i am trying to   find my way around the mac os again after a long time 
out but i am having a lot of trouble
so i need hints on where to start i think a fresh install of the os would help 
because i cannot get my caps lock to work on any keyboard i have connected so 
where can i get a step by step guide to reinstall a fresh os i am using a mid 
2012 mac book pro so any help would be most grateful
wayne c

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Re: Bug in Messages app iOS11

[Mary Otten]

Hi Simon,
OK. In the messages app, you have a list. And each item in the list could be a 
thread which might have several messages in it, or it might be a single 
message. There isn't any way on the message list to know if an item you're 
looking at represents a thread or just one message. If I double tap the edit 
button, I can indeed select items in the list, but one item might be a thread 
with several messages. And I can't find a way to just delete certain portions 
that is  certain messages from the thread. Does that make sense?

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> On Sep 21, 2017, at 1:42 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I must have missed this,
>  
> In which app are you looking at here?
>  
> If in messages I have been able to go in to edit and then double tap each 
> message I wish to delete and then at the bottom I can click the delete button 
> and the messages I wanted deleted are gone, no issue so far with this option.
>  
> I’m still using the GM on a 7+
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2017 9:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bug in Messages app iOS11
>  
> So I have heard that the workaround for the message issue is to delete 
> individual messages. Somebody said use the edit function for that. OK, so on 
> the message list screen, you do have that edit function. But if you have two 
> or three messages in a conversation, you only see the top one. How do you get 
> granularity to delete individual ones?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Apple is aware of this issue but they were not sure when it would be 
> fixed. This has been a bug since a few beta's ago.
>  
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
> Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
> U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com
>  
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:54, Nickus de Vos  wrote:
>  
> ...hi all
> I just came across a bug in the messages app, please test and email Apple 
> accessibility if you also experience it.
> In the messages list when turning the rotor to actions to delete a message,  
> typing delete does nothing, the message does not get deleted. I tested this 
> with a couple of messages, normal text Messages on my iPhone 7
>  
> Nickus
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Re: mac newbie

[Wayne Coles]

OK thank you did not know that

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> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You can use the shift key to create capital letters instead of the Caps-Lock. 
>  In fact, that is the expected use of the shift key whereas the Caps-Lock is 
> usually used for a long string of letters in caps.  In either case though, 
> holding down the shift key while typing any letter on your keyboard will 
> produce a capital letter if your physical Caps-Lock is not functioning as it 
> should.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 17:45, wayne17a  wrote:
> 
> hello no i just can’t use the caps lock key when entering a password in the 
> app store so can’t update my mac from my old version of el captain 
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Which version of MacOS are you using? The latest versions have VoiceOVer 
>> take control of the caps lock key much like Windows screen  readers have 
>> done for several years. If double tapping the CapsLock causes it to work 
>> then that is what you are encountering. This can be disabled in VoiceOVer 
>> Utility.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:38 AM wayne17a  wrote:
>>> ƒhello  i am trying to   find my way around the mac os again after a long 
>>> time out but i am having a lot of trouble
>>> so i need hints on where to start i think a fresh install of the os would 
>>> help because i cannot get my caps lock to work on any keyboard i have 
>>> connected so where can i get a step by step guide to reinstall a fresh os i 
>>> am using a mid 2012 mac book pro so any help would be most grateful
>>> wayne c
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VO Not Announcing Selected Text In Pages

[Ian Robinson]

Hi All,

I’ve just installed the latest Pages this morning, version 6.3 (5046) and 
VoiceOver no longer announces text as it is selected.

Is anyone else noticing the same issue?

VO+F6 does still announce the selected text.

Regards.

Ian


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iPhone back up failure due to iCloud storage

[Phil Halton]

I keep getting the message “iPhone backup failed, no room in I/Cloud for this 
backup.”, or something like that.
I found the culprit in the photos app. It keeps deleted items in a “recently 
deleted” folder for a month or so and after deleting several test videos, this 
folder grew to over 8GB.
My iCloud storage is only 5gb.
My question is this, how can I set up my camera/photo library to not keep 
deleted items? I’ve looked in the Photos app and the settings app for Photos 
and can’t find any settings that will allow me to correct this problem of 
keeping deleted items..
I could upgrade iCloud storage plan for a pittance, but I don’t want to on 
principle.
  

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Re: mac newbie

[Robert Cole]

Hi,
Did you press the Cap lock key twice quickly, to turn caps on and off?
For me, pressing it once pauses speech. and pressing twice activates cap lock.
HTH
Rob


> On Sep 21, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:
> 
> OK thank you did not know that
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can use the shift key to create capital letters instead of the 
>> Caps-Lock.  In fact, that is the expected use of the shift key whereas the 
>> Caps-Lock is usually used for a long string of letters in caps.  In either 
>> case though, holding down the shift key while typing any letter on your 
>> keyboard will produce a capital letter if your physical Caps-Lock is not 
>> functioning as it should.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 17:45, wayne17a > > wrote:
>> 
>> hello no i just can’t use the caps lock key when entering a password in the 
>> app store so can’t update my mac from my old version of el captain 
>>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which version of MacOS are you using? The latest versions have VoiceOVer 
>>> take control of the caps lock key much like Windows screen  readers have 
>>> done for several years. If double tapping the CapsLock causes it to work 
>>> then that is what you are encountering. This can be disabled in VoiceOVer 
>>> Utility.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:38 AM wayne17a >> > wrote:
>>> ƒhello  i am trying to   find my way around the mac os again after a long 
>>> time out but i am having a lot of trouble
>>> so i need hints on where to start i think a fresh install of the os would 
>>> help because i cannot get my caps lock to work on any keyboard i have 
>>> connected so where can i get a step by step guide to reinstall a fresh os i 
>>> am using a mid 2012 mac book pro so any help would be most grateful
>>> wayne c
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Re: apple accessability

[John Sanfilippo]

877-204-3930




On 9/20/17 19:37, wayne17a wrote:

hello list can can anyone please give me the number for apple accessability 
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Do key commanders have a seperate preference file

[-dan d.]

When setting up key commanders is there a seperate preference file in the
library preference folder which storess them?  If so which file is it
please?

Or are they kept in the main voiceover preference file?

I'm trying to restore some old key commanders, having them in a file of
their own would make this easier.  I would do it from a backup of the peferences
folder.

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high sierra

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hello after a fashion i have installed sierra but how do i know if i have high 
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Keychain, what is it and what does it do?

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi,
Could someone please explain to me simply what keychain is and what it does?
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Re: high sierra

[E.T.]

   You will know next week on the 25th when High Sierra makes an 
appearance in the app store.


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hello after a fashion i have installed sierra but how do i know if i have high 
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Re: Keychain, what is it and what does it do?

[E.T.]

Stacey,
   This will explain it all for you.



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Hi,
Could someone please explain to me simply what keychain is and what it does?
Thanks,
Peace,  
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net



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A Request to confirm a Dialing Option for A T & T Wireless customers who have upgraded to iOS 11

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

Before upgrading my device, I want to make sure that one can selectively
display one's caller ID.

If someone using A T & T Wireless on an iOS 11 device could confirm that the
following dialing option still works, I would be most greatful:

1.
In the phone settings area, select to hide your caller ID.

2.
Please test this setting to make certain that it is enabled, by calling
someone in your Contacts List.  Please do not call a toll-free number.  

3.
Select a test contact and prepare to edit her/his record.  Type in the
following symbols in front of the person's telephone number in the edit
field.

*31#

For example, if the person's number is 213-444-1212, after your edit it
should read: *31#2134441212.

4.
Now save the change and place a call to the contact and have the person
confirm that he/she could see your number being displayed.  

The *31# has been a long-time dialing option for A T & T Wireless customers
and I'm hoping that Apple did not break this functionality with its latest
release.  I am almost certain it will still work but I just want to make
sure.

Thank you for helping me out on this one.

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Re: high sierra

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I don't think High Siera has officially been released yet.
Original message:
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Seeing AI on iPhone 5S

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Does Seeing AI’s bar code feature work on an iPhone 5S? 

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Re: Seeing AI on iPhone 5S

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I don’t see why it would not work on a 5S. It’s simply using the camera to 
capture the barcode in the five us as a perfectly good camera.

By the way, I’ve been using this feature a lot lately and it’s just incredibly 
good, Easy to use, and gives plenty of information about the product.. Sent 
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Music Beds and podcasts

[Joshua Tubbs]

Hi all,

What is the best editer to perform basic actions, such as adding backing tracks 
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Re: Music Beds and podcasts

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You could do it in garage band or reaper...

By the way, I offer a range of audio and music services so get in
touch if you need anything... Original music, editing, backing tracks,
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Re: Seeing AI on iPhone 5S

[Rob Bender]

Unfortunately, the bar code Channel doesn’t work on the 5S.  The product 
channel doesn’t show up. I think that the processor or camera on the 5S were 
not good enough for Microsoft to include the support for the 5S.  I don’t know 
all of the details, but it doesn’t work on my 5S. I would be interested in 
hearing how the product channel works on phones newer than the 5S since I will 
be upgrading my phone soon.



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Re: Music Beds and podcasts

[Karen Lewellen]

I was about to suggest  just getting in touch with  Cameron, as his work 
is first rate!
Besides, if you  do not know what you are about you will violate a 
copyright.


Karen



On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Cameron Strife wrote:


You could do it in garage band or reaper...

By the way, I offer a range of audio and music services so get in
touch if you need anything... Original music, editing, backing tracks,
etc.

Cameron.





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Re: Seeing AI on iPhone 5S

[Rob Bender]

I just wanted to add that the short text and document 
Channels seem to work well on my 5S and I use the app to check my mail. If I 
need better recognition, then I would use KNFB Reader or PrizmoGo which is free.
.

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Re: mac newbie

[Wayne Coles]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Wayne Coles  wrote:
> 
> OK thank you did not know that
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You can use the shift key to create capital letters instead of the 
>> Caps-Lock.  In fact, that is the expected use of the shift key whereas the 
>> Caps-Lock is usually used for a long string of letters in caps.  In either 
>> case though, holding down the shift key while typing any letter on your 
>> keyboard will produce a capital letter if your physical Caps-Lock is not 
>> functioning as it should.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 17:45, wayne17a  wrote:
>> 
>> hello no i just can’t use the caps lock key when entering a password in the 
>> app store so can’t update my mac from my old version of el captain 
>>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which version of MacOS are you using? The latest versions have VoiceOVer 
>>> take control of the caps lock key much like Windows screen  readers have 
>>> done for several years. If double tapping the CapsLock causes it to work 
>>> then that is what you are encountering. This can be disabled in VoiceOVer 
>>> Utility.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:38 AM wayne17a  wrote:
 ƒhello  i am trying to   find my way around the mac os again after a long 
 time out but i am having a lot of trouble
 so i need hints on where to start i think a fresh install of the os would 
 help because i cannot get my caps lock to work on any keyboard i have 
 connected so where can i get a step by step guide to reinstall a fresh os 
 i am using a mid 2012 mac book pro so any help would be most grateful
 wayne c
 
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Re: high sierra

[Maria Reyes]

macOS hi Sierra will be released on Monday, September 25.

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Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 5:36:20 PM
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Subject: Re: high sierra

I don't think High Siera has officially been released yet.
Original message:
> hello after a fashion i have installed sierra but how do i know if i
> have high sierra please

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Mark's Accessibility Steps for Using iTunes 12.7 for Windows, How To Manage Custom Ring Tones, etc.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,  

I am going to cross-post this to both the V iPhone and Mac Visionaries
mailing lists for those who, like me, use both iTunes for Windows and Mac.  

First, let me state that I just spent the past hour working with iTunes 12.7
on two Windows 10 PCs in conjunction with an iPhone 6 S Plus, running iOS
11, with the latest version of Jaws on both computers.

Second, there are some initial video driver problems with iTunes when Jaws
is running.  Therefore, I suggest that you launch iTunes, at least once,
without Jaws running-using, perhaps, Narrator, as the screen reader.  After
that, you should be good to go with Jaws running with iTunes 12.7.  This was
my experience on two Windows 10 PCs.  

Third, be aware that some Jaws commands, including the Application button,
do not work on selected items in iTunes 12.7.  There are easy workarounds
but I just want you to know that if you encounter problems, it's probably
not your fault.

Fourth, be sure to explore iTunes 12.7 for Windows using the F6, Tab, and
arrow keys to gain a better understanding of the somewhat new layout of the
application.

Fifth, As in the previous version of iTunes, selecting the Summary tab, when
your iOS device is connected to iTunes will display the same options as in
iTunes 12.6 including the ability to configure accessibility settings.

Sixth, In order to add/or remove custom ringtones to and from your device,
you must make certain that the Manually Manage Videos and Music checkbox
option is, checked.  If you have to place a checkmark in the checkbox, be
sure to hit the Apply button to save this change, okay?

Okay, now to the fun stuff.  In iTunes 12.7 for Windows, it is no longer
necessary to actually use the file menu to import ringtones.  In fact,
attempting to do so will gain you nothing.  (smile).  So, to add a ringtone
to your device, using Windows Explorer, copy the file to memory using the
standard windows command of Control+C.

Next, with iTunes 12.7 in focus, your iOS device attached to your PC and
selected, using standard jaws navigation commands, place focus on the Tones
tab, located in the iTunes Sidebar.  Oh, make sure that you have iTunes set
to display the Sidebar.  

Now, once you have the Tones tab selected, press the Tab key on your
keyboard until you land in the list view of currently installed custom
ringtones.  Then, simply use the paste command, Control+V, to add the
ringtone to your device.  

By the way, you will notice that, as you tab around the tones area, you will
land on an actions button.  You can use this button to act on the currently
selected ringtone, such as playing it.  

To delete a ringtone, you must place focus on the particular ringtone you
wish to remove from your device, and press the delete key.  Neither the
Application button nore the Jaws right-mouse click will work, at this time.
Even the Actions button will not offer a delete choice.  The only way to
remove the ringtone, at the time of this writing is to either press the
Delete key on the keyboard, or press the right mouse button on your mouse
and/or touch pad.  

Okay, I'm exhausted so I'm going to sign off for now.  

Good Luck and Happy Ring Toning.  (smile)

Mark

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Re: VO Not Announcing Selected Text In Pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ian,

I’m having exactly the same problem. Very annoying!

Cheers,

Anne



> On 21 Sep 2017, at 15:14, Ian Robinson  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> 
> I’ve just installed the latest Pages this morning, version 6.3 (5046) and 
> VoiceOver no longer announces text as it is selected.
> 
> Is anyone else noticing the same issue?
> 
> VO+F6 does still announce the selected text.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Ian
> 
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