date:20170901

RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

What kind of camping trip has toilets?

 Over here we just have the out doors or if you are in a camping ground then 
follow the sounds of a solid building 
I'd be very carefull taking technology in to the outdoors especialy when rock 
climbing.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. 
That is what they are trained for.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
> it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile and 
>  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on your 
> phone.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
>> Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
>> Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind of 
>> lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to 
>> do. I was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology to 
>> help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to 
>> buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.
>>
>>
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RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

I don't really get this,

 What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?

 Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see you 
then squat!

And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.

 Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.

If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction of 
the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it should.

 Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but surely 
the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you on the return

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On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But I 
hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. However 
yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your device, 
the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried this. When 
I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you have no 
service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost service. 
So I hope this clarifies things.
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> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This is not correct.
> 
> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
> required however.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
>> you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>> E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
 and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
 Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
 Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
 Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>> available on your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>>> are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
>>> is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
>>> willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
>>> update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
>>> --
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RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

That's not camping,

 That's a hotel on wheels.

Try travelling a 400 Km river in canoes with all your tents, cloths food 
everything with you and the only time you see other life is when someone on a 
river bank waves to you.

 That trip took 12 days including portaging around 2 large hydro dams  oh and a 
great bit of kiwi sailing using a tent fly as a sail to get across a lake 
before the storm kicked in.

10 people and only bathing when you jumped in the river.

Now that's the life.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 11:35 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and beer, 
leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: August31, 2017 4:19 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with guide 
dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a guide 
dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There are a 
million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me you have 
taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I am going 
to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with my f'in 
guide dog.

PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.

On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
> Eat, its E.T.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>>
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>
>>>A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>>
>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my 
> own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd 
> get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some 
> people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with 
> stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>
> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The 
> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it 
> works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably 
> too late to update my phone.
>
>
> --
> Todd
>
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RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi Yes,

Only use I had for my phone was as a music player when sitting around the fire 
at night.

 Other wise to much to deal with while walking and checking out the life.

As for rock climbing,
Don't take your phone would be my suggestion.

 One slip while climbing will either hert or break your phone.
If your climbing the harness is firm aaround your butt and possibly a safety 
line around your chest if doing it correctly.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 1:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; David & his pack of dogs 

Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip


I did specify in my original message that I was going rock climbing. 
That would imply that I am leaving the RV.

Lets start over ... Has anyone gone tent camping in a state or national park 
and found a use for their iphone that they would like to pass along? Forget I 
ever mentioned that I have a guide dog. Actual experienced campers only, please.



On 08/31/2017 06:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
> at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
> camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
> restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
> those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
> camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and 
> beer, leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: August  31, 2017 4:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
>
> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
> didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
> above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with 
> guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a 
> guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There 
> are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me 
> you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I 
> am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with 
> my f'in guide dog.
>
> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
>
>
> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not 
>> Eat, its E.T.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the 
>>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>
 A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will 
 work wonders. That is what they are trained for.

   From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no 
> substitute for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it 
> offers certain possibilities not available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost 
>> in the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on 
>> my own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but 
>> he'd get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping 
>> some people could give me some tips on using technology to help 
>> me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touc

RE: How GPS Apps Work

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hey Um, Todor,

 Just to point something out to you here before anyone else does I guess,

 Radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
 Not the speed of light,

 Light waves travel at the speed of light and different frequencys of 
thattravelling light give you different colours in the spectrum.

Sound such as radio waves travel at the speed of sound,




-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 1:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: How GPS Apps Work

The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works by 
having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the time. Just the 
time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, which is not 
infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the signals are how far away 
the satellites are. If it has at least 3 signals, it can figure out exactly 
where you are in space. If it has a data connection, it can then query a map 
database to find out where you are on the Earth. If it doesn't have a data 
connection but it does have map data, either because it is cached or because 
you deliberately uploaded it to your phone, it can still figure out where you 
are.


The system can break down in 2 basic ways:

1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the globe. 
Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the equator but enough 
of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at the poles. However, the 
radio signals from the satellites is very weak and you might not even be able 
to pick it up in a mobile home. In a parking garage, probably not

2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't have 
access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone won't know 
where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS coordinates but that 
won't help most people most of the time.


Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also triangulate 
it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals. 
Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the world. So if 
you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it might be able to tell 
someone where they are based on that alone.



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Re: How GPS Apps Work

2017-09-01 Thread Alex Hall

I’m no physicist, but I do have an interest in the field. Radio waves travel at 
the speed of light, as they are part of the same electromagnetic spectrum as 
visible light. X-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radio, visible light, infrared, 
ultraviolet, etc all travel at the speed of light. Sure, the frequency might be 
longer, so a signal will take longer to be fully received, but the waves 
themselves are electromagnetic in nature and thus travel at good old C.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hey Um, Todor,
> 
> Just to point something out to you here before anyone else does I guess,
> 
> Radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
> Not the speed of light,
> 
> Light waves travel at the speed of light and different frequencys of 
> thattravelling light give you different colours in the spectrum.
> 
> Sound such as radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 1:48 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How GPS Apps Work
> 
> The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works by 
> having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the time. Just 
> the time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, which is not 
> infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the signals are how far 
> away the satellites are. If it has at least 3 signals, it can figure out 
> exactly where you are in space. If it has a data connection, it can then 
> query a map database to find out where you are on the Earth. If it doesn't 
> have a data connection but it does have map data, either because it is cached 
> or because you deliberately uploaded it to your phone, it can still figure 
> out where you are.
> 
> 
> The system can break down in 2 basic ways:
> 
> 1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the 
> globe. Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the equator 
> but enough of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at the poles. 
> However, the radio signals from the satellites is very weak and you might not 
> even be able to pick it up in a mobile home. In a parking garage, probably not
> 
> 2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't have 
> access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone won't know 
> where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS coordinates but that 
> won't help most people most of the time.
> 
> 
> Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also triangulate 
> it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals. 
> Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the world. So 
> if you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it might be able to 
> tell someone where they are based on that alone.
> 
> 
> 
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Accessibility of Fine Reader

2017-09-01 Thread Michael Busboom

Hi.

A blind friend recently purchased FineReader for the Mac, but he states that 
using it with VoiceOver isn’t working for him.  I myself do not use Fine 
Reader, but I would still like to assist him.  I should also point out that he 
has only owned his MacBook for two weeks and is migrating from the Windows/PC 
world.

Here are our issues/questions:

1.  My friend states that when he goes into the FineReader Help menu, VO 
doesn’t speak.  What does he need to do to rectify this?

2.  Is there any documentation available that would enable him to maximize VO’s 
usefulness with FineReader?

3.  Are there any podcasts that address this issue?

Kindest regards to everyone and thanks in advance,

Mike

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Re: How GPS Apps Work

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

So first, this poster is a troll and has been problems on this list and others 
for a long time so let’s not put to much effort in to this.  I was hoping that 
had changed but it appears not.

The length of waves when considering EM radiation has no effect on speed or 
reception time.  As you and Simon point out correctly, they all move at C which 
is 3 time 10 to the 8 meters per second if memory serves.  I know in MPH it’s 
about 186000 miles per second in a vacuum.  The vibratory rate of the waves in 
the signal doesn’t change the propagation speed of the signal it does however 
change the propagation pattern.  (Light that’s all in phase at a given 
frequency stays coherent aka laser, waves of all different phases and 
amplitudes scatter more like regular light). Speed how ever is constant 
relative to other objects at C.

Sound waves are a different animal, as mentioned correctly they travel 
at far slower speeds, something in the range of 750 miles per hour instead of 
almost 200 thousand miles per second.  Also, the wave forms are different.  
Sound is formed out of longitudinal waves which are shaped differently and 
propagate differently.

But like I said, the original poster is having a trolling expedition so we’ll 
stop here but I did want to support yours and Simon’s points.


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I’m no physicist, but I do have an interest in the field. Radio waves travel 
> at the speed of light, as they are part of the same electromagnetic spectrum 
> as visible light. X-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radio, visible light, 
> infrared, ultraviolet, etc all travel at the speed of light. Sure, the 
> frequency might be longer, so a signal will take longer to be fully received, 
> but the waves themselves are electromagnetic in nature and thus travel at 
> good old C.
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Um, Todor,
>> 
>> Just to point something out to you here before anyone else does I guess,
>> 
>> Radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
>> Not the speed of light,
>> 
>> Light waves travel at the speed of light and different frequencys of 
>> thattravelling light give you different colours in the spectrum.
>> 
>> Sound such as radio waves travel at the speed of sound,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
>> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 1:48 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: How GPS Apps Work
>> 
>> The global positioning system, invented a couple of decades ago, works by 
>> having a bunch of satellites circling the earth broadcasting the time. Just 
>> the time. Because radio signals travel at the speed of light, which is not 
>> infinite, your GPS receiver can tell from how late the signals are how far 
>> away the satellites are. If it has at least 3 signals, it can figure out 
>> exactly where you are in space. If it has a data connection, it can then 
>> query a map database to find out where you are on the Earth. If it doesn't 
>> have a data connection but it does have map data, either because it is 
>> cached or because you deliberately uploaded it to your phone, it can still 
>> figure out where you are.
>> 
>> 
>> The system can break down in 2 basic ways:
>> 
>> 1. No signal from GPS satellites. GPS signals are available all over the 
>> globe. Most of the satellites are in geosyncronous orbit around the equator 
>> but enough of them are not so you can still get a GPS signal at the poles. 
>> However, the radio signals from the satellites is very weak and you might 
>> not even be able to pick it up in a mobile home. In a parking garage, 
>> probably not
>> 
>> 2. No map data. If your location is not in a mpa database, if you don't have 
>> access to a map database, or if the map data is wrong, your phone won't know 
>> where you are. It should still be able to give you GPS coordinates but that 
>> won't help most people most of the time.
>> 
>> 
>> Note: I have talked only about GPS systems. Your phone can also triangulate 
>> it's position from cell phone towers and even wifi signals.
>> Google has made a map of as many of the wifi signals it can in the world. So 
>> if you called the wifi in your house "blindGuysAreSexy", it might be able to 
>> tell someone where they are based on that alone.
>> 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

You know that sounds good but my idea of roughing it is traveling around the 
south of France / Mediterranean around race time but not being able to stay at 
the hotel in Monaco and instead having to drive in.;)

I did the camping thing as a younger person and enjoyed it but at this 
stage in life I’d rather see just how luxurious the trip could be instead of 
roughing it in the back woods.:). I live in the woods so get my outdoor time in 
my back 40.


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> That's not camping,
> 
> That's a hotel on wheels.
> 
> Try travelling a 400 Km river in canoes with all your tents, cloths food 
> everything with you and the only time you see other life is when someone on a 
> river bank waves to you.
> 
> That trip took 12 days including portaging around 2 large hydro dams  oh and 
> a great bit of kiwi sailing using a tent fly as a sail to get across a lake 
> before the storm kicked in.
> 
> 10 people and only bathing when you jumped in the river.
> 
> Now that's the life.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David & his pack of dogs
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 11:35 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is subjective 
> at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private campground, is 
> camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the local pub or 
> restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  Then there are 
> those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a carry-in tent. Some 
> camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot dogs, chips and 
> beer, leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all subjective.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: August  31, 2017 4:19 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
> didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
> above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with 
> guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a 
> guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There 
> are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me 
> you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I 
> am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with 
> my f'in guide dog.
> 
> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
> 
> 
> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not
>> Eat, its E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and
>>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the
>>> evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly,
> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute
> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain
> possibilities not available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in
>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my
>> own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd
>> get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some
>> people coul

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Simon, that’s nothing, you should see the motor homes we have over here.  I 
have a friend who travels all over the US in these things.  Several bedrooms, 
satellite TV, big screen, showers, full kitchen and so on and so forth.  You 
can park at camp grounds or Walmart allows campers in motorhomes to set up in 
their parking lots.  Now, that’s camping.:)

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What kind of camping trip has toilets?
> 
> Over here we just have the out doors or if you are in a camping ground then 
> follow the sounds of a solid building
> I'd be very carefull taking technology in to the outdoors especialy when rock 
> climbing.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
>A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. 
> That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
>> it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile 
>> and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on 
>> your phone.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
>>> Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
>>> Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind 
>>> of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him 
>>> to do. I was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology 
>>> to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to 
>>> buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Oh now I get it, you / Todor / Chris Gilland are probably the same person.  I 
was wondering about that because he makes so many reference to other Chris 
Gilland wackiness.  Todor and Chris are definitely the same but your headers 
almost match the other two.  Like I said, there be trolls under that bridge.

That makes a whole lot more sense and also explains the similar entries in your 
message headers.  Also explains the complete bad technical information which is 
a definite Gilland thing.

Now I get it.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> I don't need to grow up just for your information.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
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> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  Good grief, Joseph, grow up.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>>> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did not 
>>> want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it 
 told me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I 
 had to wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS 
 found my directions.
 My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
 GPS then mine did.
 Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
 directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
 I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
 So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This is not correct.
> 
> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will 
> need to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  
> WiFi is not required however.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as 
>> long as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a 
>> big paper weight and only good for books and games.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>> its E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
 when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
 Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
 Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
 And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
>> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
>> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
>> possibilities not available on your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
>>> the camp grounds. L

Sluggish Response to Keyboard

2017-09-01 Thread Bill Gallik

dCan anybody offer any suggestions as how to resolve an issue where VoiceOver 
is announcing the letter(s) I’ve just typed with an unacceptable lag?


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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Chuck, you have no room to talk.  You fill this list with rantings on imaginary 
stooges floating on clouds that just don’t exist, they never existed and they 
never will.  So before you go bashing someone else belief system on list I’d 
take a serious look at the hate, intolerance and religious mindless rigidity 
that you spout.

Remember Arthur C. Clark I believe it was who is quoted roughly as saying that 
any sufficiently advanced race would appear to us as magical.  Our technology 
today (that we created not some dumb god construct) would seem to folks just 
100 years ago as magic, but it’s not.  So stop it Chuck, nobody cares about the 
junk belief system you espouse and force upon the rest of us on a technology 
list.  Find an uneducated audience for your brand of hucksterism because we 
don’t buy it, don’t want it and don’t care.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 6:44 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eat,
> You want Joseph, to Grow up?
> E t phone Home!)
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to
> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 5:02 PM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>>  Good grief, Joseph, grow up.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>>> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did not 
>>> want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it 
 told me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I 
 had to wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS 
 found my directions.
 My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
 GPS then mine did.
 Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
 directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
 I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
 So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This is not correct.
> 
> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
> tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will 
> need to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  
> WiFi is not required however.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as 
>> long as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a 
>> big paper weight and only good for books and games.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>>> its E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
 when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
 Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
 Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
 And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
>> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
>> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
>> possibilities not available on your phone.
>> Sent

Re: Accessibility of Fine Reader

2017-09-01 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Mike,

After selecting Help in the FineReader Help menu, I was taken to a page with a 
whole host of links. I just had to click the appropriate link and go to the 
first heading to read the information.
FineReader is quite easy to use with VO and can recognise up to three languages 
in one document.
To get all the options, you have to check the box that VO announces as “Right 
Arrow” but which should say “Show all”. There is then a scroll area containing 
around a dozen formats to choose from.
I don’t know of any podcasts on FineReader.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 1 Sep 2017, at 15:08, Michael Busboom  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> A blind friend recently purchased FineReader for the Mac, but he states that 
> using it with VoiceOver isn’t working for him.  I myself do not use Fine 
> Reader, but I would still like to assist him.  I should also point out that 
> he has only owned his MacBook for two weeks and is migrating from the 
> Windows/PC world.
> 
> Here are our issues/questions:
> 
> 1.  My friend states that when he goes into the FineReader Help menu, VO 
> doesn’t speak.  What does he need to do to rectify this?
> 
> 2.  Is there any documentation available that would enable him to maximize 
> VO’s usefulness with FineReader?
> 
> 3.  Are there any podcasts that address this issue?
> 
> Kindest regards to everyone and thanks in advance,
> 
> Mike
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Tim, just to back up what you’re saying, you could also pull the direct lat and 
long data from the GPS and plot it on a real map if you had to.  The GPS data 
can be grabbed and translated in to both time and lat / Lon position pretty 
easily which is what Google maps in your example was doing.  Google was just 
doing the plotting directly in their app instead of using the old pen and paper 
method.

The thing is no matter the support you provide though you’re going to get 
Gilland because Todor is Chris Gilland a well known troll for over a decade 
now.  He gets tossed off lists and reappears under different names.  He was 
tossed off this list for example so reappeared on the Android eyes-free list 
where he uses the Gilland name and has a few others he uses until he wares out 
his welcome and then gets bounced to the next list.  So you could have the lead 
engineer on the GPS working group support your position and it wouldn’t matter 
because this is a trouble making effort, not a genuine set of questions.



> On Aug 31, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> consider this folks.  In the Spring of 2016, my son was in Italy.  To save 
> money, Data Roaming and cell service were turned off.  No WiFi either.  
> Probably in Airplane mode as well to make sure he wasn't accidentally charged 
> for data or anything at international rates.  He downloaded a map through 
> Google Maps on his phone when he was in the hostel the night before.  While 
> on the bus, with his phone turned on, but no network connectivity of any sort 
> as mentioned earlier, he could watch a little dot of him traveling along the 
> roads on this downloaded map.  So, the GPS is running and keeping track of 
> your location, the compass is active, but without pre-loading a map, no 
> directions are possible.
> 
> People need to consider the difference in semantics.  Just because the GPS 
> and compass are active, no route mapping is possible, no location services 
> are possible, unless you have an off-line or downloaded map that is related 
> to a specific navigational mapping or routing service like Google.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 14:39, David & his pack of dogs  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe camping to scott is not leaving his RV?  Coverage has improved a lot 
> but, having camped in the forest, there are still places that signals cannot 
> get too.  When we were in an underground parkaid at an international airport, 
> the GPS did not work at all.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
> Sent: August 31, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> Hey Scott,
> If your out in the forest to climb rocks and such, I think you should not 
> depend on reception thats why I suggested a tactile compass to get you 
> pointed in the correct direction and once your guide dog recognizes the 
> "latrine" or starting point for the climb he'll guide you to it!!! :) A 
> "satellite phone" may be a solution also but if you want to un plug go all 
> the way.
> I never leave the house with out my compass in my bag as a back up!
> Chuck
> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
> the world, all the evidence that points to  Our intelligent Design. You 
> ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did 
> it!"
> CR
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Right again, this is a problem with your application
>> 
>> Not the phone or the network.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>>> directions.
>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>> GPS then mine did.
>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 This is not correct.
 
 Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
 location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
 tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need 
 to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is 
 not required however.
 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhon

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

David, the iPhone does not require GIS data or a cell signal to plot it’s 
position.  As you correctly state as long as their is a GPS signal from enough 
locations you can determine your position.  I’m not sure about your particular 
part of the planet but I know the requirement for GPS for e911 was put in place 
in the US.  I suspect you folks down under have a similar requirement.

And rumor has it you got a new job my friend, congratulations if this is true.  
I believe I read this on linked in.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:53 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Actually, Joseph, it depends on the app. Some apps, such as Navigon, store 
> all the maps on the phone. For these apps, the only thing needed is GPS 
> signal. Unfortunately, only one app which stores local map data on the phone 
> is free. All the others charge a decent amount. And, there is the situation 
> of accessibility.
> 
> Direct access to the sky is not always enough. Direct access to the sky where 
> the GPS satelites are is always enough, when one has the map data.
> 
> The situation described, where cell tower access is required means the phone 
> requires a data signal to receive map positional information. Oh, I believe 
> the information is called GIS, or Geographic Information System.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 1/09/2017, at 04:47, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
>> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
>> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
>> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
>> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
>> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you 
>> lost service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>>   Joseph Hudson
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is not correct.
>>> 
>>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to 
>>> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>>> required however.
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
 
 I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
 as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
 weight and only good for books and games.
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
> its E.T.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hey EAT,
>> How about a tactual compass?
>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and 
>> when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>> Chuck
>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  
>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
>> Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! 
>> And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>> CR
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
>>> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
 Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
 technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
 for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
 possibilities not available on your phone.
 Sent from my IPhone
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
>

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Chris, you don’t own a house to bet.  I have an asset report for you and you 
own no property.

Also Chris, you’re showing your stupidity.  Humans have been bringing dogs in 
to the woods for thousands of years. (Yes chuck more than 6000 although I know 
you Christians have trouble with time keeping)

Dogs have been hunting in the woods successfully, with out getting hurt and 
continue to do so every day.  Dogs love the woods and all sorts of dogs from 
small Yorkies up through pointers and even larger dogs make for great travel 
companions in the woods.  I do know a blind fellow up in Maine who travels in 
the woods with his dogs all the time and nobody gets hurt.  This just goes to 
show Chris that you have no idea what you’re talking about.  You don’t even 
consider the history that disproves everything you’re going to say before you 
open your mouth.  Dogs do a lot harder work in the wild with out getting 
injured every day.  If you think a guide dog would have problems what about 
sled dogs, search and rescue dogs, trained fighting and military dogs, bomb 
sniffing dogs and on and on.  Dog teams protect military basis, nuclear power 
plants, secret facilities, and even the federal buildings every day.  The 
federal dog teams stage their operations in the parking area behind the 
Fidelity building for example on Summer Street in Boston every morning.

So again Chris or Todor or Joseph, which ever of your personalities is dominant 
today, quit while you’re ahead.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
> didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
> above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with 
> guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a 
> guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There 
> are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me 
> you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I 
> am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with 
> my f'in guide dog.
> 
> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
> 
> 
> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>> E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
>>> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>> Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
>>> of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
> available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>> are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing 
>> to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my 
>> phone.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Todd
>> 
>> --
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>> Visionaries list.
>> 
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Chris, I thought you had a Galaxy S8, why bother using an iPhone 5s if you have 
a brand new device that’s hardened for outdoor use?

I know you claim on the eyes-free list to have an S8.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 9:17 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> 
> I did specify in my original message that I was going rock climbing. That 
> would imply that I am leaving the RV.
> 
> Lets start over ... Has anyone gone tent camping in a state or national park 
> and found a use for their iphone that they would like to pass along? Forget I 
> ever mentioned that I have a guide dog. Actual experienced campers only, 
> please.
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/31/2017 06:35 PM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>> The one thing I've learned over the years is.  The term camping is 
>> subjective at best. To some, taking a R V to a national park or private 
>> campground, is camping where they never leave the RV accept to go into the 
>> local pub or restaurant to eat, with others, they don't leave the cottage.  
>> Then there are those who hike into a clearing in the woods and set up a 
>> carry-in tent. Some camp for 2 days, others for 2 weeks.  Others live on hot 
>> dogs, chips and beer, leave their garbage and call that camping.  It is all 
>> subjective.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
>> Sent: August 31, 2017 4:19 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; E.T. 
>> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
>> 
>> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. 
>> I didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and 
>> way above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and 
>> with guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There 
>> isn't a guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the 
>> woods. There are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going 
>> to tell me you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed 
>> flawlessly, I am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask 
>> for help with my f'in guide dog.
>> 
>> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not
>>> Eat, its E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and
 when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
 Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to
   Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the
 evidence! And belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 
 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
 
>A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly,
>> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute
>> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain
>> possibilities not available on your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called
>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in
>>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my
>>> own I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd
>>> get confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some
>>> people could give me some tips on using technology to help me with
>>> stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The
>>> iphone is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it
>>> works. I am willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably
>>> too late to update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Todd
>>> 
>>> --
>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac
>>> Visionaries list.
>>> 
>>> If

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

David, something needed to be said.  Todor / Chris / Joseph or what ever 
personality is dominant right now has been problem on list for over a decade 
now.

> On Aug 31, 2017, at 6:52 PM, David & his pack of dogs 
>  wrote:
> 
> They both need to move on and stop sniping each other on list.  Scott did not 
> have to be sarcastic and Joseph did not have to respond in kind.  Where there 
> is no wood, there is no fire.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: August 31, 2017 2:02 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
>Good grief, Joseph, grow up.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/31/2017 1:07 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
>> Well Tim, that's exactly what I was trying to tell Scott. But he did
>> not want to listen. He wanted to accuse me of smoking crack
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:53 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I needed directions to new doctor. With no wyfy or cell signal it told 
>>> me not abled to complete request. The phone was totally useless. I had to 
>>> wait until almost on top of town where cell signal came up and GPS found my 
>>> directions.
>>> My nephew on his android phone with no cell connection worked better with 
>>> GPS then mine did.
>>> Now out on lake James in North Carolina it was totally useless for any 
>>> directions. No phone gets signal or wyfy on that lake.
>>> I have to use my own cell tower just to get signal out my house.
>>> So if your near major cities you will have signal for all.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 This is not correct.
 
 Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
 location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the 
 tower based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need 
 to have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is 
 not required however.
 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> 
> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big 
> paper weight and only good for books and games.
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, 
>> its E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction
>>> and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the
>>> Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
>>> Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch out 
>>> Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
 A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn
 your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, 
> technology has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute 
> for a friendly smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain 
> possibilities not available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
>> the camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own 
>> I would always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get 
>> confused as to what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people 
>> could give me some tips on using technology to help me with stuff. 
>> Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Phil Halton

Hey Toto, for all your bitching about the kind of answers you're receiving, you 
did say in your original post "all answers whatsoever are acceptable". If you 
don't like what you're hearing tough. I'm beginning to wonder if Scott isn't 
right about you being a troll.
And, I still think you should open your mouth and just ask somebody for help. 
It might get you laid,☺️ see if your phone can do that for you.
Sent from my IPhone


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
> 
> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. I 
> didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and way 
> above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and with 
> guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There isn't a 
> guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the woods. There 
> are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going to tell me 
> you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed flawlessly, I 
> am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask for help with 
> my f'in guide dog.
> 
> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
> 
> 
>> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>   How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>> E.T.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hey EAT,
>>> How about a tactual compass?
>>> This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
>>> you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
>>> Chuck
>>> "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
>>> of the world, all the evidence that points to
>>>  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
>>> belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
>>> CR
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
 
   A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
 wonders. That is what they are trained for.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
> available on your phone.
> Sent from my IPhone
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>> are acceptable.
>> 
>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing 
>> to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my 
>> phone.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Todd
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Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread E.T.

   Heh good catch Phil. Todor/Chris (yes they are twins) also said this 
which I found amusing. "Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in 
the camp grounds."


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 7:47 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds.


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RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread David & his pack of dogs

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room including passing the washroom and looking in 
that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a 
place.  How can he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's 
home, what will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a 
female student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and 
female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where they 
are working as well.   

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I don't really get this,

 What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?

 Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see you 
then squat!

And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.

 Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.

If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction of 
the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it should.

 Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but surely 
the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you on the return

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But I 
hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. However 
yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your device, 
the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried this. When 
I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you have no 
service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost service. 
So I hope this clarifies things.
Joseph Hudson 

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
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https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
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> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> This is not correct.
> 
> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
> required however.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>> 
>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
>> you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>> weight and only good for books and games.
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>> E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction 
 and when you get close the dog's training would kick in! :) Chuck 
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the 
 Beauty of the world, all the evidence that points to Our intelligent 
 Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the eviden

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread E.T.

   Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They 
live for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a 
check every week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room including passing the washroom and looking in 
that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a 
place.  How can he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's 
home, what will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a 
female student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and 
female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where they 
are working as well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I don't really get this,

  What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?

  Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see 
you then squat!

And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.

  Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.

If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction of 
the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it should.

  Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but surely 
the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you on the return

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But I 
hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. However 
yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your device, 
the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried this. When 
I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you have no 
service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost service. 
So I hope this clarifies things.
Joseph Hudson

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

This is not correct.

Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not required 
however.


On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:

I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long as 
you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper weight 
and only good for books and games.

On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:

How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its E.T.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUC

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

All I can say is wow.

We went from iPhones on camping trips to sex for dogs schemes.  I’m not sure 
what to say.

I think this is where I get off the thread because um, wow.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>  wrote:
> 
> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind 
> persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who 
> hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be 
> a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  
> Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or 
> provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they 
> find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans 
> guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they 
> retire the following year, they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot 
> to mention the trainer who on an interview with a potential guide dog user, 
> asked where the bathroom was, clear directions were given but, on the way to 
> that room, he opened closed doors and looked in each room including passing 
> the washroom and looking in that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he 
> cannot follow clear directions to a place.  How can he properly train a dog? 
> Or, if he does that in a stranger's home, what will he do on class?  Will he 
> too, make a nocturnal visit to a female student's bedroom and have sex with 
> her as well? These kinds of male and female trainers give the good trainers a 
> bad name and the schools where they are working as well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> I don't really get this,
> 
> What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?
> 
> Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see 
> you then squat!
> 
> And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.
> 
> Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.
> 
> If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
> kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction 
> of the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it 
> should.
> 
> Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but surely 
> the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you on the 
> return
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost 
> service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> This is not correct.
>> 
>> Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls 
>> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower 
>> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to have 
>> data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not 
>> required however.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as long 
>>> as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big paper 
>>> weight and only good for books and games.
 On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
 E.T.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
 all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind
 off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CH

RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread David & his pack of dogs

People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  Dogs 
don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  What do 
they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly trying to buy 
the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done with verbal 
praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a contented and 
hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the handler's sake, to 
buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. However, as mentioned dogs 
should not be free fed just as people should not be eating all the time either. 
I have worked with dogs most have condemned to be euthanized and, have rarely 
used treats to motivate them to work.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind 
> persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who 
> hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be 
> a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  
> Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or 
> provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they 
> find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans 
> guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they 
> retire the following year, they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot 
> to mention the trainer who on an interview with a potential guide dog user, 
> asked where the bathroom was, clear directions were given but, on the way to 
> that room, he opened closed doors and looked in each room including passing 
> the washroom and looking in that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he 
> cannot follow clear directions to a place.  How can he properly train a dog? 
> Or, if he does that in a stranger's home, what will he do on class?  Will he 
> too, make a nocturnal visit to a female student's bedroom and have sex with 
> her as well? These kinds of male and female trainers give the good trainers a 
> bad name and the schools where they are working as well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> I don't really get this,
> 
>   What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?
> 
>   Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see 
> you then squat!
> 
> And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.
> 
>   Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.
> 
> If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
> kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction 
> of the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it 
> should.
> 
>   Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different 
> but surely the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out 
> for you on the return
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But 
> I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. 
> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your 
> device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried 
> this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works, when you 
> have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route, before you lost 
> service. So I hope this clarifies things.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> ht

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread E.T.

   My dog would beg to differ if she could talk. She is fit and trim 
and loves working. She also loves the extra pay. You are making 
generalized statements.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  Dogs 
don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  What do 
they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly trying to buy 
the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done with verbal 
praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a contented and 
hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the handler's sake, to 
buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. However, as mentioned dogs 
should not be free fed just as people should not be eating all the time either. 
I have worked with dogs most have condemned to be euthanized and, have rarely 
used treats to motivate them to work.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

 Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room including passing the washroom and looking in 
that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a 
place.  How can he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's 
home, what will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a 
female student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and 
female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where they 
are working as well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I don't really get this,

   What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?

   Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see 
you then squat!

And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.

   Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.

If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction of 
the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it should.

   Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different
but surely the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out
for you on the return

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this. But I 
hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent. However 
yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on your device, 
the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently tried this. When 
I've had absol

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Well, in terms of guidance I had a dog that was definitely not a trained
guide that knew enough to keep his night blind owner safe at night. Though
she also loved to steal the baby's toys at home and growl at everybody but
the owner.

In terms of the washroom incident, I expect the trainer was not lost, but
doing a little extra research probably would have been better to ask
permission but anyhow.

Now if only my guide would refuse to leave the house if I didn't have my
iPhone. There, brought it back to the appropriate set of topics.


On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:03 AM David & his pack of dogs <
myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a
> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the
> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally
> blind persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person
> who hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work,
> must be a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in
> the U S.  Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you
> have or provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.
> Or, they find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and send you
> home sans guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so
> when, they retire the following year, they have a nest egg to fall back on.
> Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who on an interview with a potential
> guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, clear directions were given
> but, on the way to that room, he opened closed doors and looked in each
> room including passing the washroom and looking in that bedroom as well.
> One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a place.  How can
> he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's home, what
> will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a female
> student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and
> female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where
> they are working as well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip
>
> I don't really get this,
>
>  What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?
>
>  Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can
> see you then squat!
>
> And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.
>
>  Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.
>
> If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be
> some kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the
> direction of the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find
> it as it should.
>
>  Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but
> surely the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you
> on the return
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
>
> Scott I'm pretty sure, you're going to have something to say about this.
> But I hate to burst your bubble. Tim's information is correct to an extent.
> However yours is completely wrong. If you have no service whatsoever on
> your device, the phone, will not pick up a GPS location. I have recently
> tried this. When I've had absolutely no service. The only way it works,
> when you have no service. As if you have previously loaded your route,
> before you lost service. So I hope this clarifies things.
> Joseph Hudson
>
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667 <(254)%20300-7667>
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>
> > On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> >
> > This is not correct.
> >
> > Even with out service enabled the GPS chip is functional and also pulls
> location data from the network.  You have to have cell signal for the tower
> based location but GPS will be received all the time.  You will need to
> have data cached locally if you don’t have an active account.  WiFi is not
> required however.
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:37 PM, tim  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have recently tried just what your wanting to do. You can do it as
> long as you have a wyfy connection. If not then your iPhone is just a big
> paper weight and only good for books and games.
> >>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:25 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How about just "follow y

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out history 
it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in prehistoric 
times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally deficient) dogs selected 
humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs leveraged their cute furry 
nature and eventually came in close enough to humans around fires because of 
the food being cooked.  We all know how our furry friends can be they started 
to leverage their cuteness and turn that in to a meal.  As time passed humans 
began to use food to start to work with the dogs and then over time more 
detailed and advanced training methods were developed.  Training a dog with a 
treat is as natural a method as any and is probably the oldest method 
historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right that verbal praise can be a 
good positive reenforcement so let’s say that you’re both right.


> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>  wrote:
> 
> People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  
> Dogs don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  
> What do they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly 
> trying to buy the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done 
> with verbal praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a 
> contented and hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the 
> handler's sake, to buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. 
> However, as mentioned dogs should not be free fed just as people should not 
> be eating all the time either. I have worked with dogs most have condemned to 
> be euthanized and, have rarely used treats to motivate them to work.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip
> 
>Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
> for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
> week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
>> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
>> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally 
>> blind persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person 
>> who hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, 
>> must be a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in 
>> the U S.  Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you 
>> have or provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  
>> Or, they find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and send you 
>> home sans guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so 
>> when, they retire the following year, they have a nest egg to fall back on. 
>> Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who on an interview with a potential 
>> guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, clear directions were given 
>> but, on the way to that room, he opened closed doors and looked in each room 
>> including passing the washroom and looking in that bedroom as well. One must 
>> wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a place.  How can he properly 
>> train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's home, what will he do on 
>> class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a female student's bedroom 
>> and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and female trainers give 
>> the good trainers a bad name and the schools where they are working as well.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
>> Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip
>> 
>> I don't really get this,
>> 
>>  What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?
>> 
>>  Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see 
>> you then squat!
>> 
>> And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.
>> 
>>  Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.
>> 
>> If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
>> kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction 
>> of the toilet block and then when it gets near have t

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread E.T.

   Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when 
the wolf began to domesticate humans.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out history 
it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in prehistoric 
times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally deficient) dogs selected 
humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs leveraged their cute furry 
nature and eventually came in close enough to humans around fires because of 
the food being cooked.  We all know how our furry friends can be they started 
to leverage their cuteness and turn that in to a meal.  As time passed humans 
began to use food to start to work with the dogs and then over time more 
detailed and advanced training methods were developed.  Training a dog with a 
treat is as natural a method as any and is probably the oldest method 
historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right that verbal praise can be a 
good positive reenforcement so let’s say that you’re both right.



On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs  
wrote:

People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  Dogs 
don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  What do 
they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly trying to buy 
the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done with verbal 
praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a contented and 
hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the handler's sake, to 
buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. However, as mentioned dogs 
should not be free fed just as people should not be eating all the time either. 
I have worked with dogs most have condemned to be euthanized and, have rarely 
used treats to motivate them to work.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room including passing the washroom and looking in 
that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a 
place.  How can he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's 
home, what will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a 
female student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and 
female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where they 
are working as well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I don't really get this,

  What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?

  Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see 
you then squat!

And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.

  Fill the hole in and go back to yoru

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

There’s just something cool about fluffy domesticating us instead of the other 
way around.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:06 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when the wolf 
> began to domesticate humans.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
>> point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out 
>> history it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in 
>> prehistoric times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally 
>> deficient) dogs selected humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs 
>> leveraged their cute furry nature and eventually came in close enough to 
>> humans around fires because of the food being cooked.  We all know how our 
>> furry friends can be they started to leverage their cuteness and turn that 
>> in to a meal.  As time passed humans began to use food to start to work with 
>> the dogs and then over time more detailed and advanced training methods were 
>> developed.  Training a dog with a treat is as natural a method as any and is 
>> probably the oldest method historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right 
>> that verbal praise can be a good positive reenforcement so let’s say that 
>> you’re both right.
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  
>>> Dogs don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  
>>> What do they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly 
>>> trying to buy the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well 
>>> done with verbal praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a 
>>> contented and hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the 
>>> handler's sake, to buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. 
>>> However, as mentioned dogs should not be free fed just as people should not 
>>> be eating all the time either. I have worked with dogs most have condemned 
>>> to be euthanized and, have rarely used treats to motivate them to work.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip
>>> 
>>>Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
>>> for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check 
>>> every week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
 After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
 well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
 camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally 
 blind persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person 
 who hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, 
 must be a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in 
 the U S.  Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if 
 you have or provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide 
 dog.  Or, they find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and 
 send you home sans guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep 
 the dog so when, they retire the following year, they have a nest egg to 
 fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who on an interview with 
 a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, clear directions 
 were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed doors and looked 
 in each room including passing the washroom and looking in that bedroom as 
 well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a place.  
 How can he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's home, 
 what will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a female 
 student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and 
 female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where 
 they are working as well.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@go

Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Actually Phil, you can install tinder on your phone and get positive results.;)

And you’re ok, love that response.  Made me laugh and I’m fighting a battle 
with a Talari T5000 traffic appliance and need all the yucks I can get.  Love 
these magic black boxes that nobody knows how they work under the hood.  Good 
times.

That was very clever and I like the use of humor there.  Well played sir.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 10:47 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Hey Toto, for all your bitching about the kind of answers you're receiving, 
> you did say in your original post "all answers whatsoever are acceptable". If 
> you don't like what you're hearing tough. I'm beginning to wonder if Scott 
> isn't right about you being a troll.
> And, I still think you should open your mouth and just ask somebody for help. 
> It might get you laid,☺️ see if your phone can do that for you.
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>> 
>> I will bet my house you have never been on a camping trip with a guide dog. 
>> I didn't ask for help with my guide dog. I have an excellent guide dog and 
>> way above average OEM skills. I'm very active in the blind community and 
>> with guide dog users in particular and I know this for to be a fact. There 
>> isn't a guide dog on this planet that isn't going to have trouble in the 
>> woods. There are a million distractions and no clear paths. If you are going 
>> to tell me you have taken your guide dog on camping trips and he performed 
>> flawlessly, I am going to call you a liar. On top of all that, I didn't ask 
>> for help with my f'in guide dog.
>> 
>> PS: You still owe me an apology from the lst time you and I tangled.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 08/31/2017 01:25 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>  How about just "follow your dog"? Its not impossible. And its not Eat, its 
>>> E.T.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/31/2017 11:16 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
 Hey EAT,
 How about a tactual compass?
 This would point you and  the guide dog in the general direction and when 
 you get close the dog's training would kick in! :)
 Chuck
 "Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty 
 of the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
 belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
 CR
 
 
> On Aug 31, 2017, at 2:06 PM, E.T. wrote:
> 
>  A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work 
> wonders. That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology 
>> has it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly 
>> smile and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not 
>> available on your phone.
>> Sent from my IPhone
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called 
>>> Adaptive Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the 
>>> camp grounds. Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would 
>>> always get kind of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to 
>>> what I wanted him to do. I was hoping some people could give me some 
>>> tips on using technology to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever 
>>> are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone 
>>> is running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am 
>>> willing to buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to 
>>> update my phone.
>>> 
>>> 
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RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread David & his pack of dogs

Doing research?  Could be, but, could not the police use the same logic instead 
of getting a warrant to search someone’s house? There are a lot of blind 
couples.  It is also possible as a total mentioned, the trainer forgot there 
was a sighted person with me and, thought he’d pull a fast one and be sneaky. 
He did not know that sighted person was specially trained to spot shop lifters 
so, watched everyone for peculiarities in their body language or actions. As 
for the guide growling at everyone save the owner. That is not acceptable 
conduct and the school should have been called regarding this matter. Of 
course, there is the other end of it.  If the trainer could not properly train 
the dog when they had it for at least 6 months, how could they magically get 
knowledge enough to fix the problem now?  The statement in the contract they 
send the handler home with is, they guarantee the dog is properly trained to 
perform the tasks outlined. The out for them is, the handler did not keep up 
the training, did not follow directions and any other excuse they can come up 
with. In a lot of incidents, they are correct. However, in some rare cases, the 
trainer is arrogant and spews out bravado on how good of a trainer they are and 
the less experienced guide dog handlers swallow it.  The experienced ones who 
know better, could be mysteriously told they cannot come back.  Why?  Perhaps 
it is because the fraudulent trainers would be exposed.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: September 1, 2017 8:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

 

Well, in terms of guidance I had a dog that was definitely not a trained guide 
that knew enough to keep his night blind owner safe at night. Though she also 
loved to steal the baby's toys at home and growl at everybody but the owner. 

 

In terms of the washroom incident, I expect the trainer was not lost, but doing 
a little extra research probably would have been better to ask permission but 
anyhow. 

 

Now if only my guide would refuse to leave the house if I didn't have my 
iPhone. There, brought it back to the appropriate set of topics. 

 

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:03 AM David & his pack of dogs 
mailto:myguidedo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room including passing the washroom and looking in 
that bedroom as well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a 
place.  How can he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's 
home, what will he do on class?  Will he too, make a nocturnal visit to a 
female student's bedroom and have sex with her as well? These kinds of male and 
female trainers give the good trainers a bad name and the schools where they 
are working as well.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: September 1, 2017 3:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

I don't really get this,

 What sort of camp out areas do you folks have over there?

 Over here you walk in to the bush and dig a hole where no one else can see you 
then squat!

And if need be drop a match on the paper to get rid of the waste.

 Fill the hole in and go back to yoru tent.

If you are staying in what we call a camping ground then there must be some 
kind of road way, have the dog follow the edge of the road in the direction of 
the toilet block and then when it gets near have the dog find it as it should.

 Of course finding your way back to the lodging might be different but surely 
the dog can smell it's food or someone can keep an eye out for you on the return

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From: macvisionaries@googleg

a

2017-09-01 Thread regina alvarado

I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I can 
change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with vo-arrows, 
oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail also. Once I 
wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do to alleviate 
this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in safari once you are on 
the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and determined to understand 
apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is coming. I currently have el 
Capitan. I was told by a person in Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade 
any further as my Mini is like a first computer for someone like a grandmother 
or a user who only wanted internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic 
things. I am happy with this, though I have no grandchildren. What does 
everyone think about this. Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I 
was told there would be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan. 



Reggie and Lex

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2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD drive 
or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would help me 
determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing the busy 
messages.

Thanks
Scott

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I can 
> change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with vo-arrows, 
> oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail also. Once I 
> wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do to alleviate 
> this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in safari once you are 
> on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and determined to 
> understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is coming. I 
> currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in Accessibility that I 
> don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like a first computer for 
> someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted internet and mail and 
> perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with this, though I have no 
> grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. Should I upgrade to any 
> of the higher like sierra? I was told there would be less lag if I stayed on 
> El Capitan.
> 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
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Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread CHUCK REICHEL

Hi Eat,
This is getting way off Apple!
Look up the definition of true science  if you want!
Observable? Reproducible?
Who told you this happened this way 6K 60k or even 600k years ago?
I know even before you reply it was ""Ancient Aliens"! :)
Can we get back to Apple related things?

"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
 Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And 
belch out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR
 
On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:06 PM, E.T. wrote:

>   Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when the wolf 
> began to domesticate humans.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
>> point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out 
>> history it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in 
>> prehistoric times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally 
>> deficient) dogs selected humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs 
>> leveraged their cute furry nature and eventually came in close enough to 
>> humans around fires because of the food being cooked.  We all know how our 
>> furry friends can be they started to leverage their cuteness and turn that 
>> in to a meal.  As time passed humans began to use food to start to work with 
>> the dogs and then over time more detailed and advanced training methods were 
>> developed.  Training a dog with a treat is as natural a method as any and is 
>> probably the oldest method historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right 
>> that verbal praise can be a good positive reenforcement so let’s say that 
>> you’re both right.
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  
>>> Dogs don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  
>>> What do they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly 
>>> trying to buy the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well 
>>> done with verbal praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a 
>>> contented and hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the 
>>> handler's sake, to buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. 
>>> However, as mentioned dogs should not be free fed just as people should not 
>>> be eating all the time either. I have worked with dogs most have condemned 
>>> to be euthanized and, have rarely used treats to motivate them to work.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip
>>> 
>>>Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
>>> for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check 
>>> every week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
 After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
 well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
 camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally 
 blind persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person 
 who hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, 
 must be a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in 
 the U S.  Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if 
 you have or provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide 
 dog.  Or, they find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and 
 send you home sans guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep 
 the dog so when, they retire the following year, they have a nest egg to 
 fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who on an interview with 
 a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, clear directions 
 were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed doors and looked 
 in each room including passing the washroom and looking in that bedroom as 
 well. One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a place.  
 How can he properly train a dog?

RE: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread David & his pack of dogs

Sorry, but I think someone needs the dose on their psychiatric medication 
increased. If they think dogs/wolves domesticated us.   I am reminded of a line 
off a British comedy.  "There are more nuts outside the bin then there are in." 
hence forth, I will not perpetuate this psychiatrically challenged thread. 

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 9:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when the wolf 
began to domesticate humans.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
> point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out history 
> it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in prehistoric 
> times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally deficient) dogs 
> selected humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs leveraged their 
> cute furry nature and eventually came in close enough to humans around fires 
> because of the food being cooked.  We all know how our furry friends can be 
> they started to leverage their cuteness and turn that in to a meal.  As time 
> passed humans began to use food to start to work with the dogs and then over 
> time more detailed and advanced training methods were developed.  Training a 
> dog with a treat is as natural a method as any and is probably the oldest 
> method historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right that verbal praise can 
> be a good positive reenforcement so let’s say that you’re both right.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  
>> Dogs don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  
>> What do they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly 
>> trying to buy the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done 
>> with verbal praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a 
>> contented and hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the 
>> handler's sake, to buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. 
>> However, as mentioned dogs should not be free fed just as people should not 
>> be eating all the time either. I have worked with dogs most have condemned 
>> to be euthanized and, have rarely used treats to motivate them to work.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip
>>
>> Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
>> for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
>> week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:
>>> After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
>>> well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the 
>>> camping area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally 
>>> blind persons back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person 
>>> who hopefully was flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, 
>>> must be a certified trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in 
>>> the U S.  Who, if they are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you 
>>> have or provide sex for them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  
>>> Or, they find some fictitious reason to keep back a guide dog and send you 
>>> home sans guide dog because they secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so 
>>> when, they retire the following year, they have a nest egg to fall back on. 
>>> Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who on an interview with a potential 
>>> guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, clear directions were given 
>>> but, on the way to that room, he opened closed doors and looked in each 
>>> room including passing the washroom and looking in that bedroom as well. 
>>> One must wonder if he cannot follow clear directions to a place.  How can 
>>> he properly train a dog? Or, if he does that in a stranger's home, what 
>>> will he do on class?  Will

Re:

2017-09-01 Thread Matthew Dierckens

Hi there,
Apple now has a bluetooth keyboard with a builtin numpad.
Unsure of the American pricing.
HTH.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
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> On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:11, Vaughn Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I am wanting to use an external numb pad with ProTools on my laptop.
> Are there any suggestions?
> 
> Thank you,
> Vaughn
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Re: Crossposted: Issue with installing FLogic and VOCR solved

2017-09-01 Thread Matthew Dierckens

Hello,
Once I ran the installer command file how do I run the software?
Thanks.
God bless.
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> On Aug 30, 2017, at 04:39, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Hi good people and sorry for the cross posting, but i thought i’d say this so 
> everyone on the lists where i posted my question can hear it.
> The issue with installing FLogic and VOCR macros are now solved. It turned 
> out to be a both easy and not obvious thing. I had had the check box for 
> letting VO be controled by Apple script enabled all the time and could not 
> fathom why the macros didn’t install. Turned out that i had to uncheck and 
> then check the box for allowing VO to be controled by Apple script again 
> because the Mac i’m working at hadn’t accepted, for lack of a better word, 
> the setting. So if you have enabled the check box for allowing Voiceover to 
> be controled by apple scripts on a Mac you’ve owned earlier and then change 
> machines but keep the VO settings, make certain you uncheck and then check 
> the box for allowing VO to be controled by Apple scripts again. Upon this you 
> will get a prompt for your account password, fill it in and ok the dialog and 
> you should be good to go.
> Thanks all for the help in this matter.
> /Krister
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Re:

2017-09-01 Thread christopher hallsworth

Hello, about $129.

> On 1 Sep 2017, at 18:56, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> Apple now has a bluetooth keyboard with a builtin numpad.
> Unsure of the American pricing.
> HTH.
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
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Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread E.T.


Chick,
   I told you already that you are definitely an UNintelligent 
imbecile. Really you do not need to keep reinforcing that diagnosis.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 10:04 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Hi Eat,
This is getting way off Apple!
Look up the definition of true science  if you want!
Observable? Reproducible?
Who told you this happened this way 6K 60k or even 600k years ago?
I know even before you reply it was ""Ancient Aliens"! :)
Can we get back to Apple related things?

"Ancient Aliens" for the deluded, is when you brush aside all the  Beauty of 
the world, all the evidence that points to
  Our intelligent Design. You ignorantly choose to ignore the evidence! And belch 
out Ancient Aliens did it!"
CR
  
On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:06 PM, E.T. wrote:



   Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when the wolf 
began to domesticate humans.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out history 
it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in prehistoric 
times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally deficient) dogs selected 
humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs leveraged their cute furry 
nature and eventually came in close enough to humans around fires because of 
the food being cooked.  We all know how our furry friends can be they started 
to leverage their cuteness and turn that in to a meal.  As time passed humans 
began to use food to start to work with the dogs and then over time more 
detailed and advanced training methods were developed.  Training a dog with a 
treat is as natural a method as any and is probably the oldest method 
historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right that verbal praise can be a 
good positive reenforcement so let’s say that you’re both right.

On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs  
wrote:

People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  Dogs 
don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  What do 
they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly trying to buy 
the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done with verbal 
praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a contented and 
hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the handler's sake, to 
buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. However, as mentioned dogs 
should not be free fed just as people should not be eating all the time either. 
I have worked with dogs most have condemned to be euthanized and, have rarely 
used treats to motivate them to work.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room incl

Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread E.T.

   Sorry David but you certainly can believe what you like. You may 
benefit from a healthy dose of good humor.


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  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 10:05 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

Sorry, but I think someone needs the dose on their psychiatric medication increased. If 
they think dogs/wolves domesticated us.   I am reminded of a line off a British comedy.  
"There are more nuts outside the bin then there are in." hence forth, I will 
not perpetuate this psychiatrically challenged thread.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 9:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

 Definitely true and definitely way more than 6,000 years ago when the wolf 
began to domesticate humans.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Actually David you’re a little historically inaccurate in a way.  I see your 
point but let’s remember, dogs selected humans originally through out history 
it wasn’t humans who captured and tamed the dogs.  Way back in prehistoric 
times (again more than 6000 years ago for the mentally deficient) dogs selected 
humans to be close to for what reason, food!  Dogs leveraged their cute furry 
nature and eventually came in close enough to humans around fires because of 
the food being cooked.  We all know how our furry friends can be they started 
to leverage their cuteness and turn that in to a meal.  As time passed humans 
began to use food to start to work with the dogs and then over time more 
detailed and advanced training methods were developed.  Training a dog with a 
treat is as natural a method as any and is probably the oldest method 
historically speaking.  You’re absolutely right that verbal praise can be a 
good positive reenforcement so let’s say that you’re both right.



On Sep 1, 2017, at 11:36 AM, David & his pack of dogs  
wrote:

People must pay bills each month unless you are a gigolo or a kept woman.  Dogs 
don't.  The public by into this fallacy that dogs only work for food.  What do 
they get?  Fat dogs.  The reality is, these people are secretly trying to buy 
the dog's affection.  You can reward a dog for a job well done with verbal 
praise, and they don't get fat on that.  Then you have a contented and 
hardworking dog who, yes does get fed but, not just for the handler's sake, to 
buy the dog's affection, we all need food to live. However, as mentioned dogs 
should not be free fed just as people should not be eating all the time either. 
I have worked with dogs most have condemned to be euthanized and, have rarely 
used treats to motivate them to work.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: September 1, 2017 8:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iPhone on a camping trip

 Outhouses. Now that was a stretch. Remember, Labs are Hoovers. They live 
for that kibble, its bribery  but humans like to get paid with a check every 
week so why not pay the hard working guide dog.

  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the
mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 9/1/2017 8:03 AM, David & his pack of dogs wrote:

After going to the Pit toilet or whatever people call a wooden shed, a 
well-trained guide dog should be able to take their handler back to the camping 
area. Dogs not even trained by schools have taken their totally blind persons 
back to the camping area with no problem. As for the person who hopefully was 
flippant when he mentioned about bribing a dog to work, must be a certified 
trainer for one of the California guide dog schools in the U S.  Who, if they 
are not suggesting they will give you a guide if you have or provide sex for 
them and if you don't you don't get a guide dog.  Or, they find some fictitious 
reason to keep back a guide dog and send you home sans guide dog because they 
secretly take a bribe to keep the dog so when, they retire the following year, 
they have a nest egg to fall back on. Oh, I forgot to mention the trainer who 
on an interview with a potential guide dog user, asked where the bathroom was, 
clear directions were given but, on the way to that room, he opened closed 
doors and looked in each room including passin

Re: a

2017-09-01 Thread Nimer Jaber

Hello,

Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a
bunch of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the
cause, and not sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has
been my biggest headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to
Windows or Linux to achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an
external keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados 
wrote:

> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD
> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information
> would help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s
> causing the busy messages.
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado 
> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I
> can change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with
> vo-arrows, oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail
> also. Once I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do
> to alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in
> safari once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and
> determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is
> coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in
> Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like a
> first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted
> internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with
> this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about this.
> Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there would
> be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: a

2017-09-01 Thread Anne Robertson

Oh, I couldn’t disagree more! Browsing on my MBA is so much more efficient than 
on my iPhone SE. I have so many shortcuts at my disposal on the Mac and I 
hardly ever have these busy problems.
I disable lots of features that don’t interest me such as alerts. I turn off 
everything to do with Mission Control. I have verbosity at medium and turn off 
hints. I have the mouse set to ignore the other cursors. I’m sure I do other 
things too, but I can’t remember.
For reading articles, I use the Safari Reader and jump to the first heading 
before pressing VO-a to read continuously.
I use the web rotor a lot, as well as the item chooser.
I’m often much faster at getting around a website than my sighted husband who’s 
a Mac expert and a great shortcut user.

Cheers,

Anne

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> Honestly, Safari and an external keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.

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Re: a

2017-09-01 Thread regina alvarado


Hi: My Mini is a 2015. It has an old style disk drive. Hope this helps you to 
help me. I may in the future look to adding Lenox as this would help my brother 
with working with my Mac. He uses Lenox and is my go to person if Mini is not 
working correctly, although I am learning more every day. However, putting 
another operating system on my Mac is far above my pay grade right now. Yes, he 
could teach me lenox. 


Reggie and Lex


On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:

Hello,

Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a bunch 
of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the cause, and not 
sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has been my biggest 
headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to Windows or Linux to 
achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an external keyboard on the 
iPhone is much, much better.

> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados  
> wrote:
> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD 
> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would 
> help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing 
> the busy messages.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado  
> > wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I can 
> > change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with vo-arrows, 
> > oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail also. Once 
> > I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do to 
> > alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in safari 
> > once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and 
> > determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is 
> > coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in 
> > Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like a 
> > first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted 
> > internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with 
> > this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. 
> > Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there would 
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Mod Note - Better late than never - Religion and Respect on the List

2017-09-01 Thread Cara Quinn

Hi All; Chuck, Scott and ET in particular;

Chuck, there is no place for disrespectful language here on this list. It is 
completely obvious to everyone what you are doing with your signature file (as 
it has been for months now) to basically force your religious views and mock 
and disrespect ET personally. ET’s signature is simply a quote from Carl Sagan 
whereas yours is your own made-up rant about how you feel about alternative 
views of religion and toward ET in particular. This is the difference and this 
is why I am calling you out on this.

Scott, you have more wealth than 90 percent of folks on this list (probably put 
together) and yet you continue to behave like a spoiled child and keep goading 
Chuck and others on this list by inciting these heated exchanges or just 
keeping them going with well-placed jabs at people. Now aside from some of your 
general wittiness about these, this is just not acceptable for this list. Also, 
regardless of any contempt you may have for organized religion or Christianity 
in particular, once again, this is simply not for this list.

Lastly, ET, while I think you are probably simply just responding to jabs 
against you at times, in this instance, from what I am seeing, it looks like 
you are contributing to the sheer snark of this thread and keeping this going.

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1 Keep your tone cordial to people on this list.

2 Keep your religious beliefs (this includes contrary scientific arguments and 
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If anyone else keeps this discussion about religion or bashing of people’s 
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Uber home screen

2017-09-01 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli

Hi:

On my Uber home screen at the bottom, it displays all the places i've been.
How can I clear that off? I only have two places in my saved places list.
The others are just there!

 

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www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli 

 

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Re: a

2017-09-01 Thread Nickus de Vos

Hello there
You say your Mac Mini is still on El Capitan. Personally back when I had El 
Capitan on my iMac, I found it to be very buggy and frustrating to use. I 
experienced it as very unstable and simply never liked it.
Maybe you should try going up to Sierra, I liked Sierra right from day one, and 
still find it a very stable build, i'm running it both on my MacBook Pro but 
also on my iMac which is older than your mini. 

It might also be worth doing a total clean install of Sierra while you're at 
it, in other words formatting your hard drive and not simply upgrading over the 
current system. This will take longer and is slightly more effort, but in the 
end you Will have a clean machine and it will feel like a brand-new Mac. You 
might want to do this in the next week or two before High Sierra comes out, or 
at least download Sierra while it's still easy to get.

I'll be running Sierra on my MacBook Pro which is my work machine for at least 
The next few months until I'm sure High Sierra isSuper stable,   

Nickus
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...

> On 01 Sep 2017, at 20:38, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a 
> bunch of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the cause, 
> and not sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has been my 
> biggest headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to Windows or 
> Linux to achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an external 
> keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD 
>> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would 
>> help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing 
>> the busy messages.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I 
>> > can change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with 
>> > vo-arrows, oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in 
>> > mail also. Once I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I 
>> > can do to alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text 
>> > in safari once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning 
>> > and determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high 
>> > sierra is coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in 
>> > Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like 
>> > a first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted 
>> > internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with 
>> > this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. 
>> > Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there would 
>> > be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan.
>> >
>> >
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Losing focus in Mail

2017-09-01 Thread Nancy Badger

Hi everyone,
There is something weird happening on my iMac. The best way I know how to 
explain it is to go step-by-step through what I am doing.
Step one, several apps are open and I use command tab to cycle through the 
apps, and I get to my Mail app. Step two i use VO Jay to jump from the messages 
to the body of the message. Here comes the weird part.

Instead of announcing what is in the message, vo ends up on  Thedesktop 
announcing things that are on my desktop. I can't seem to keep The focus on 
mail no matter what I do. Does anyone have any ideas what might be happening?
Thanks in advance
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
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Re: a

2017-09-01 Thread regina alvarado


I am willing to do a clean install of Sierra, but remember I am a Mac baby. If 
you are willing can you send me a step-by-step, off list so I don't do anything 
that will kill my Mini, please? I have nobody who knows Apple if no voice over. 
I know I'm asking a lot, sorry.
On Sep 1, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Nickus de Vos  wrote:

Hello there
You say your Mac Mini is still on El Capitan. Personally back when I had El 
Capitan on my iMac, I found it to be very buggy and frustrating to use. I 
experienced it as very unstable and simply never liked it.
Maybe you should try going up to Sierra, I liked Sierra right from day one, and 
still find it a very stable build, i'm running it both on my MacBook Pro but 
also on my iMac which is older than your mini. 

It might also be worth doing a total clean install of Sierra while you're at 
it, in other words formatting your hard drive and not simply upgrading over the 
current system. This will take longer and is slightly more effort, but in the 
end you Will have a clean machine and it will feel like a brand-new Mac. You 
might want to do this in the next week or two before High Sierra comes out, or 
at least download Sierra while it's still easy to get.

I'll be running Sierra on my MacBook Pro which is my work machine for at least 
The next few months until I'm sure High Sierra isSuper stable,   

Nickus
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...

> On 01 Sep 2017, at 20:38, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a 
> bunch of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the cause, 
> and not sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has been my 
> biggest headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to Windows or 
> Linux to achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an external 
> keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD 
>> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would 
>> help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing 
>> the busy messages.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I 
>> > can change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with 
>> > vo-arrows, oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in 
>> > mail also. Once I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I 
>> > can do to alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text 
>> > in safari once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning 
>> > and determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high 
>> > sierra is coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in 
>> > Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like 
>> > a first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted 
>> > internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with 
>> > this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. 
>> > Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there would 
>> > be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Reggie and Lex
>> >
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RE: Using my iphone on a camping trip

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

Scott,

That's not camping.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 2 September 2017 1:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip

Simon, that’s nothing, you should see the motor homes we have over here.  I 
have a friend who travels all over the US in these things.  Several bedrooms, 
satellite TV, big screen, showers, full kitchen and so on and so forth.  You 
can park at camp grounds or Walmart allows campers in motorhomes to set up in 
their parking lots.  Now, that’s camping.:)

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What kind of camping trip has toilets?
> 
> Over here we just have the out doors or if you are in a camping ground 
> then follow the sounds of a solid building I'd be very carefull taking 
> technology in to the outdoors especialy when rock climbing.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Friday, 1 September 2017 6:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Using my iphone on a camping trip
> 
>A little effort and a little bribery with the guide dog will work wonders. 
> That is what they are trained for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> On 8/31/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Well, you could go old tech and just ask for help. Honestly, technology has 
>> it's limits and sometimes there's just no substitute for a friendly smile 
>> and  asking for help. And, it offers certain possibilities not available on 
>> your phone.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Todor Fassl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm going on a camping and rock climbing trip with a group called Adaptive 
>>> Adventures. Last year, I had some trouble getting lost in the camp grounds. 
>>> Like if I wanted to get to the bathroom on my own I would always get kind 
>>> of lost. I have a guide dog but he'd get confused as to what I wanted him 
>>> to do. I was hoping some people could give me some tips on using technology 
>>> to help me with stuff. Any ideas what so ever are acceptable.
>>> 
>>> I have an iphone 5s, a Macbook Pro, and an old ipod Touch. The iphone is 
>>> running the latest version of IOS. It's slow but it works. I am willing to 
>>> buy some new stuff although it is probably too late to update my phone.
>>> 
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RE: Re:

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

Yes it’s the old full sized keyboard but now wifi / Bluetooth, I think it’ was 
around the 160 US dollar mark,

I know it’s 229 nz dollars but I’m really keen to get one.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Dierckens
Sent: Saturday, 2 September 2017 5:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:

Hi there,
Apple now has a bluetooth keyboard with a builtin numpad.
Unsure of the American pricing.
HTH.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
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On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:11, Vaughn Brown 
mailto:jazzdress...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi folks,

I am wanting to use an external numb pad with ProTools on my laptop.
Are there any suggestions?

Thank you,
Vaughn

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RE: Mod Note - Better late than never - Religion and Respect on the List

2017-09-01 Thread Simon Fogarty

Hi Cara,

Thanks for this, 
But what about kim jung ell and Donald trump,

Can we make comments abot them?



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To: 'Adrian Leong' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Mod Note - Better late than never - Religion and Respect on the List

Hi All; Chuck, Scott and ET in particular;

Chuck, there is no place for disrespectful language here on this list. It is 
completely obvious to everyone what you are doing with your signature file (as 
it has been for months now) to basically force your religious views and mock 
and disrespect ET personally. ET’s signature is simply a quote from Carl Sagan 
whereas yours is your own made-up rant about how you feel about alternative 
views of religion and toward ET in particular. This is the difference and this 
is why I am calling you out on this.

Scott, you have more wealth than 90 percent of folks on this list (probably put 
together) and yet you continue to behave like a spoiled child and keep goading 
Chuck and others on this list by inciting these heated exchanges or just 
keeping them going with well-placed jabs at people. Now aside from some of your 
general wittiness about these, this is just not acceptable for this list. Also, 
regardless of any contempt you may have for organized religion or Christianity 
in particular, once again, this is simply not for this list.

Lastly, ET, while I think you are probably simply just responding to jabs 
against you at times, in this instance, from what I am seeing, it looks like 
you are contributing to the sheer snark of this thread and keeping this going.

So basically to the three of you and to all listers, if I can sum all this up 
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1 Keep your tone cordial to people on this list.

2 Keep your religious beliefs (this includes contrary scientific arguments and 
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Re: a

2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Nimer, maybe I can be of help.  Typically this is caused by damaged 
filesystems.  I’m curious about you having this with SSD as well.  I do 
occasionally but by occasionally I mean maybe 1 out of 100 sites.  I have seen 
applications have memory problems also and enter this state but typically a 
fresh format and restore from a backup does the trick.  I know for certain I 
experienced this far more with a rotating disk which is why I asked the 
question.  Seems like the sort of thing we should be able to figure out with 
some sort of resource monitor like top.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a 
> bunch of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the cause, 
> and not sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has been my 
> biggest headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to Windows or 
> Linux to achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an external 
> keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD 
> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would 
> help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing 
> the busy messages.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado  > > wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I can 
> > change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with vo-arrows, 
> > oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail also. Once 
> > I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do to 
> > alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in safari 
> > once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and 
> > determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is 
> > coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in 
> > Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like a 
> > first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted 
> > internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with 
> > this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. 
> > Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there would 
> > be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan.
> >
> >
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2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

Hi, there’s no need at all to add Linux.  Your Mac already has a fully 
functional unix shell under the hood.  This is what the terminal program gives 
you access too.  You could for example enable ssh so that your Mac receives 
connections and your brother could remotely log in.  He’d be at home in the BSD 
unix environment that the pretty pictures on the Mac run on.:)

As for the busy messages, I would back up your dada, immediately reformat your 
disk and restore it.  Time Machine is a great application for just this 
project.  Your file system is likely either corrupted or possibly to full.  If 
you’re running out of disk this could also cause the problem and can be helped 
with deleting files but in my experience the defragmentation on a Mac on 
rotating drives had problems over time.

So in order I’d backup your disk completely, enter recovery mode, reformat the 
disk, reinstall the OS and restore what you want.  You could also restore the 
full backup and skip the second step but you might restore any applications 
causing problems so it’s your call.

That’s my $.02

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:50 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi: My Mini is a 2015. It has an old style disk drive. Hope this helps you to 
> help me. I may in the future look to adding Lenox as this would help my 
> brother with working with my Mac. He uses Lenox and is my go to person if 
> Mini is not working correctly, although I am learning more every day. 
> However, putting another operating system on my Mac is far above my pay grade 
> right now. Yes, he could teach me lenox.
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
> 
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Nimer Jaber  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a 
> bunch of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the cause, 
> and not sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has been my 
> biggest headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to Windows or 
> Linux to achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an external 
> keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD 
> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information would 
> help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s causing 
> the busy messages.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado  > > wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I can 
> > change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with vo-arrows, 
> > oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in mail also. Once 
> > I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I can do to 
> > alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text in safari 
> > once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning and 
> > determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high sierra is 
> > coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in 
> > Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like a 
> > first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted 
> > internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with 
> > this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about this. 
> > Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there would 
> > be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan.
> >
> >
> >
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2017-09-01 Thread Scott Granados

And worth every penny as a side note.  Love the new magic keyboard.

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:19 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, about $129.
> 
> On 1 Sep 2017, at 18:56, Matthew Dierckens  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> Apple now has a bluetooth keyboard with a builtin numpad.
>> Unsure of the American pricing.
>> HTH.
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
>> Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
>> JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
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>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:11, Vaughn Brown >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> I am wanting to use an external numb pad with ProTools on my laptop.
>>> Are there any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Vaughn
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2017-09-01 Thread Nimer Jaber

I certainly do have an SSD. Maybe I will run some resource monitoring tools. I 
figured it was not a singular issue as others have reported having the same 
thing. But if you and others are saying that you no longer experience this, 
then I will definitely dig into a little bit more.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 14:27, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Nimer, maybe I can be of help.  Typically this is caused by damaged 
> filesystems.  I’m curious about you having this with SSD as well.  I do 
> occasionally but by occasionally I mean maybe 1 out of 100 sites.  I have 
> seen applications have memory problems also and enter this state but 
> typically a fresh format and restore from a backup does the trick.  I know 
> for certain I experienced this far more with a rotating disk which is why I 
> asked the question.  Seems like the sort of thing we should be able to figure 
> out with some sort of resource monitor like top.
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Busy messages happen to me on a Macbook pro, fully specked out, SSD and a 
>> bunch of ram and all. They equally happen on a MB air... not sure the cause, 
>> and not sure why some experience this and others don't, but this has been my 
>> biggest headache with the Mac, and one that causes me to revert to Windows 
>> or Linux to achieve productive browsing. Honestly, Safari and an external 
>> keyboard on the iPhone is much, much better.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> What vintage is your Mini, is it new or older?  Also, do you have an SSD 
>>> drive or rotating old style hard disk?  I ask because this information 
>>> would help me determine both whether you should upgrade or not and what’s 
>>> causing the busy messages.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:54 PM, regina alvarado  
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I am wondering if this is a habit of my Mini or if there is a setting I 
>>> > can change. When I was in the internet and moving up and down with 
>>> > vo-arrows, oftentimes I would hear internet busy. I have heard this in 
>>> > mail also. Once I wait a bit the internet is back on. Is there anything I 
>>> > can do to alleviate this? Also, is there a command to go straight to text 
>>> > in safari once you are on the article's page? Thanks. Newby but learning 
>>> > and determined to understand apple operating system. Oh, I know high 
>>> > sierra is coming. I currently have el Capitan. I was told by a person in 
>>> > Accessibility that I don't want to upgrade any further as my Mini is like 
>>> > a first computer for someone like a grandmother or a user who only wanted 
>>> > internet and mail and perhaps music or such basic things. I am happy with 
>>> > this, though I have no grandchildren. What does everyone think about 
>>> > this. Should I upgrade to any of the higher like sierra? I was told there 
>>> > would be less lag if I stayed on El Capitan.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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